Will Milan Sack Paulo Fonseca After the Derby? Milan Lose 3-1 to Liverpool | That Milan Podcast

0:45 Milan Destroyed by Liverpool
07:15 Who is to Blame?
20:55 Paulo Fonseca to be Sacked?
41:45 Terzic or Tuchel?
53:30 Derby Loss Coming?
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[@CriusXI]

after we scored the goal, our sense of urgency vanished. started playing as if we were up 3-0. and i didn’t understand why Tijani is guarding VVD and Pavlovic is marking nobody but space

[@tunerr1]

Loving how Santangelo spoke for Maldini and pointed out the inconsistencies. If we check Moncada&Furlani signings, seems like Pulisic and Reijnders are the only clear improvements, everyone else is (so far) average at best. Some people mention CDK and missing Kolo Muani, but they are awfully quiet when it comes to Chukwueze (20+8mil) and M.Thuram and so on. Let's also remember that the only players they've sold are Simic, Krunic, Messias and Tonali. Most of the unwanteds are now out on loan, none one on obligation except for CDK.

[@andibilibani2625]

Get Tuchel, win the Champions League and finish 5th in Serie A

[@Flamboy0911]

I am happy with Conceincao, Sarri or even Tuchel but Fonseca needs to go he is out of his depth and has lost the squad now that Pioli is has a new job we no longer pay him so no excuse for not replacing Fonsseca

[@Christian-rz9it]

I will say it once and I will say it again. Moncada needs to be fired! Our mercato was helter skelter and unprepared. From the opening of the window players should have been lined up to be sold immediately. We should have identified tiered prospects with a budget under it. How the hell did we not end up with Thiago Santos. We should have gotten Richard Rios, Thiago Santos and a ACM, we did not even get Kone. Who would have fit our profile even better. Matt amazing take and I’m glazing heavyyy. No leadership, no cohesion. Maldini is the magic of the Rossoneri, he is the spirit. He gave his life to the club. He went through war as a soldier. He is the greatest defender to ever live and you fire him while our biggest issue is our defense? He taught them how to defend. The art of defending is Paolo Maldini. Its heartbreaking when they do shit like this because Martino is right Gerry is speaking about the yankees with love because he loves baseball. He speaks about Milan like business because he does not know football.

[@Nossej]

In hindsight it’s pretty obvious that pioli should’ve been sacked that season instead of maldini.

[@matsbjrgsvik3139]

Great podcast guys

[@Ra67557]

I only see things getting worse after fonseca gets sacked, the club doesn't have a long term sport project.

[@G10-n7f]

Pulisic was quiet all game due to him being stuck doing defensive responsibilities trying to help Calabria keep Jota and Gakpo at bay. And when Milan did have the ball it mostly went up the middle or his teammates would end up passing it to Leao like they always do.

[@andibilibani2625]

52:18 go for top 4? LOL. Then keep Fonseca or bring Pioli back… Isn’t all of this for competing for trophies? If it would only be for top 4, we wouldn’t need to sweat over manager arguments at all because all of the names we’re linked with including our current manager can make top 4 easily. We have the players for top 4 no matter the manager

[@azizw22w11]

Phenomenal pod really like christian wish we could see more more pods with him involved 👍🏻

[@skullfc4215]

Sarri or Allegri for a year would be great

[@anthonylafleur6549]

It’s starts at the top with Gerry and the management. Gerry needs to let go of his ego and hire competent people who know how to get proven players. There also needs to be an emphasis on hiring coaches who are capable of taking on a big club like Milan.

[@Riderbrudda]

If he wanted to get proven players he would've. There is no reason to believe bongiorno calafiori ricci wouldn't have joined Milan. Unfortunately the problem is they don't fall under the price of 20 million.

[@Joormode]

No. It would be one of the most unreasonable things to do after only a few months . Its the players who needs to step up , show some leadership, team work and determination. I cant see who could replace Fonseca and magically transform all the players mentality instantly .

[@Austin077]

Sarri Tuchel Terzic In that order Sarri would be my choice ( The Vibes would be great Lol 🚬 )

[@farhadinho9]

Great podcast!

[@caseytrader]

They’re already shopping around . He will no longer be coach by Tuesday 25 September

[@AyanChowdhury-314]

Hello Martino, I am here for the first time and absolutely liking the conversation. So, I like to add my little opinion about getting a new coach. With the likes of Tuchel or Sarri, they are not gonna go anywhere with the likes of Calabria, Tomori, Royale and Loftus Cheeks! And, if this management persists, it will be another opportunistic Boxing Day Sale shopping in the next transfer. For me the first thing to do, is to get a DAMN GOOD Sporting Director. Then, remove Ibra immediately, demote Moncada to scouting and send Furlani to be content with just corporate affairs. THEN ONLY, we should think about a new coach. Otherwise, we will keep getting Fonseca 2.0, 3.0.....😊

[@edgarjimenez9232]

Give Milan a competent RB and we’d be in a way different position

[@Mindflayer911]

I really think a formation change is needed. I hope a 4-3-3 with an extra body in midfield would help but with our midfielders and the lack of the true CDM is killing us. Id consider a 3-4-3 personally. Just having an extra body in defense and not having to Calabria or Royal (and both are on the same level to me - minimal difference) getting spun resulting in disaster. Something has to change here.

[@aaronq6817]

After so many embarrassing performances its safe to say the biggest problem is not the coach, this team is technically poor and afraid of going forward, thats why they are always hesitate to pass the ball through the opposite's high pressing and it looks so bad. Until they can confidently build up from the back and go forward like Inter did vs City, there's no hope.

[@AyanChowdhury-314]

For Milan, the only progress seems downhill😴

[@skullfc4215]

Maldini also allowed Chalanoglu, Kessie and Donnaruma for free and it was reported that his last year idea of transfers were Baldanzi, who is deep in Romas bench and Berardi who is like an explayer for the last 2 years! So no Maldini wasn't necessarily a great director. The only thing on his favor is that we knew he was serious about the club winning

[@MartinoPuccio]

Maldini was great. You are omitting key factors as to why those players didn’t extend. That was ownerships fault

[@skullfc4215]

@@MartinoPuccio not at all, he nahively believed Donnaruma and Kessie for at least a year and a half that they were going to renew and he was played like a kid who believed players are playing for the shirt love and not money. They had to be sold for whatever money he could get and he didn't and that's on him. The Hakan situation was probably more aligned with what you're saying as no one at the club valued him at his current salary. So I can give him a pass there. And lastly the CDK has to be also on him because he knew the coach didn't play with 2 strikers and he wasn't playing on Brugge neither as a winger nor a Trequartista, he was a second striker and he thought he could be playing on the other positions for Pioli and that's why he failed at Milan. Now with Atalanta he is playing on both sides as a forward not as a winger, that's what he is

[@MartinoPuccio]

@@skullfc4215 He did his best to keep a team together that ended up achieving great goals and going beyond. He did everything as best he could with what he was given. Sure some sales but those players were worth keeping, got us Top 4 and a Scudetto, big accomplishments for where they were out. They were publicly betrayed when Kessie says he will stay and Donnarumma alike. They chose to misdirect the club, that isn't naive. That is part cheapness from ownership and players wanting more money. CDK was not given a chance with Pioli at all and played out of position, having to retell these points is exhausting when they immediately shipped out a signing where Pioli blames Maldini for his poor tactical flexibility

[@MdAbidHossainzim]

​​@@skullfc4215 according to your logic, Hakan's transfer was okay, but Donnaruma and Kessie were his faults? He was ready for Donnaruma. He waited until the last minute for Donnaruma before signing Mike. Kessie never played him or the club. He got several times more salary offer from Barcelona to leave only for free months before his contract ended. Maldini dealt with him professionally and got a very good year out of him. Maldini didn't treat the players as commodities, valued them, and brought the team mentality that the current team lacks so much. CDK brings creativity which Pioli lacked. Also where did you get this news that Pioli didn't want CDK? I think issues arose after CDK came to Milan. Origi was probably the worst signing, but the guy was doing great with the occasional chances he got in Liverpool at that time.

[@skullfc4215]

@@MartinoPuccio he wasn't betrayed, he was played because his inexperience on the position, don't be idealistic, it's a business and he made the club loose at least 50MM between the two of them. He made a mistake with CDK because he knows football and he knew the coach he renewed wasn't going to use him properly and he bought him anyway. Again his mistake. Just to be clear, I'm not saying we're better without Paolo, right now the club is being runned by a group of dream sellers, not football people, and we need a capable sporting director, but Maldini's tenure now is being overblown just because what we have at this moment is horrific, not because Maldini did a super amazing job, he did an ok job. Also remember the piece that came out last year about the guys Maldini want to buy, Baldanzi and Berardi, how would we looking at him right now with those 2

[@Adrian-pr3xe]

Fonseca is clearly out of his depth, he's not been able to solve the defense and the board still can't get a competitive team together post Maldini. Penny pinching deals, no urgency and quality players in the marketplace, a shell of manager with no real drive or discipline to get the most out of players. It's all bad, and giving him a few more games won't solve it I feel, his lessons and ideas are not working for these guys. Before you know it, half a season has gone and we are 13th in the table.

[@ziontrain7887]

Turzic is being considered to replace Fonseca so we are still screwed 😂

[@YusuphaTamba-l2w]

Am sending messages form Gambia we love milan, but it's so hard to see how we play football .we play like if 10 years kids are playing milan players and the coach will make the fans go crazy and believe me on Sunday alist lnter milan are playing very well so what will happen 5-0

[@YusuphaTamba-l2w]

I am trying to understand on Sunday what will happen with lnter milan, think they'll kill ours. This team I really can't get it the way we are playing very poor they play like kids

[@ikechukwuawa8931]

We have players that think they are bigger than what they really are or at least have shown in the last couple years and we don’t have a coach capable of humbling them and putting them to work. Let them compete to stay on the pitch. We are loosing matches anyway so I would rather bench you if you are not willing to die on the pitch for milan. We need a coach who first and foremost honors grit, hardwork, before talent. This is what makes up mentality. We need a disciplinarian. We talk about leaders, well the most obvious leader is first the coach and good leaders breed leaders. Wonder why we’ve had players that have been with us for 5 years and more and still act like kids and it’s sad because they are almost past their formative years. A child smiles and plays when he is given candy and cries when it’s take away. A grown man will pursue it and get it if it’s taken away.

[@maudalmusicalmachines3541]

No one thinks we're going to beat Inter do they? I don't either. I hear Ibrahimovic gave Turgid Terzic a call 😏 He's *definitely * not the answer. Maybe a De Zerbi might do it. Someone to run these guys til they puke and then build them back. A friggin marine boot camp treatment. There are some on the squad who think they know better.

[@edonspahiu9394]

Let me remind you that if Maldini was still here, We would not be competing right now in the champions league. If we would not Sell Tonali for 80 milion, how could we buy Loftus Reijnders Musah and Pulisic? Without the Tonali money our midfield would be Krunic-Bennacer-Pobega, our midfield right now is playing terrible but at least its better than the midfield that we would have with Maldini. Also let me remind you that our RW and Striker with Maldini staying would be Kamada and Arnautovic. Maldini being fired was a good decision. It never makes sense how we didn't go for Dybala as a free transfer and Kolo Muani but Maldini choose De Katelare and Origi

[@MartinoPuccio]

You’re literally making an assumption

[@dpad_]

italy cannot sustain a big club except for juventus given the current circumstances. marotta is doing wonders in pushing inter past its point but thats it. big time sponsors dont want in, FIGC continues to do nothing and prize pool will continue to be a joke, stadiums look just as bad as ancient roman remnants (granted these could prob have better playing conditions than 50% of serie a stadiums), bottom table teams are leeches who are just fine with staying up with no other ambitions, piracy is rampant... you could have elon musk as an owner and he could be so in love with milan but as long as UEFA regulations exist hes not going to spend more than what elliot or redbird have without repercussions. modern stadiums are a step in the right direction but thats a distant dream and who knows how much terrible things can (and will) happen until. state and local officials seem to do everything within their power to prevent any moves in moving grounds. roma has been "getting" a new stadium for solid 20 years now. were in the middle of being played a fool by italian bureaucracy. rich international owners would rather invest in a project in como than a populous football hungry city french football is already in its gradual collapse period, calcio is next

[@senorgreen3819]

Xavi

[@ziontrain7887]

Milan management don’t have a clue about building a team. Until we replace Moncada, Ibra, and Furlani with an experienced CEO and Sporting Director this team will continue to suffer. Bring back Gazidis as CEO and get Tony D’Amico from Atalanta. Then they will build a winning by hiring the right coach and the right players. As for Fonseca, we needed a coach like Conte, Allegri or Tuchel. This Milan team needs a big coach. As for Maldini, he sucked as a director and I will stand by that. I respect him as a player but he’s just another inexperienced egocentric past player. You can’t justify spending 35m on CDK when we needed a replacement for Kessie when Amrabat was available for 30m and Dybala was a free agent. We didn’t need CDK. We still had Diaz on loan so getting Dybala would have made more sense. Also signing Origi who was injured and a bench warmer at Liverpool on a 4.5m 4yr contract is criminal by Maldini. And he wanted to replace Pioli with Pirlo? WTF was Maldini smoking. Sorry but the problem at Milan is hiring inexperienced past players in management. Milan need EXPERIENCE Sporting Director and CEO. No Maldini and No Ibra. Period! The 2017 transfer cost Milan to be sanction by UEFA for financial fair play. We over paid for players and to add insult to injury we didn’t qualify for UCL.

[@MdAbidHossainzim]

Maldini was not there in 2017. You want to get the guy Tony from Atalanta who bought the same CDK from Milan? Origi transfer, I agree. But if you don't want to spend a good amount for a striker who else could you get at that time? Giroud and Ibra deals worked out. Origi did well at Liverpool with occasional chances he got. It was hard to predict that failure. Honestly, most fans were probably excited with this deal more than the Ibra or Giroud deal. Before CDK, he wanted to bring Renato and Botman for months and the management didn't give him green signals there. Milan would not pay Dybala's salary. I also don't think CDK was a failure, we just need a better attacking coach. You are okay to buy Amrabat for 30m, but not CDK at 35m?Atalanta happily bought CDK for 28m.You assume that Pirlo is a trash coach. First there was no talk that Maldini wanted him immediately. It was just a friendly talk. Maldini probably saw some potential in Pirlo. You may argue how badly Pirlo is doing now. But look how Kompany is doing at Bayern compared to Burnley. Sometimes the coach needs the right mix of players. Look how Ancelotti evolved from his early years of managerial career. He was very poor and rigid early, but evolved later together with Maldini as his captain.

[@ziontrain7887]

@@MdAbidHossainzim CDK is a bargain for Atalanta because playing for Milan is not the same as Atalanta. There’s more pressure at Milan. CDK is also a 2nd striker not AM. That’s why he doesn’t fit in Milan system. Pirlo sucks man and Kompany is a better coach with more experience. LOL

[@MdAbidHossainzim]

@@ziontrain7887 about CDK, that's my point. Why can't the coach adapt accordingly? Gasparini used to play with a lone striker and two wingers. He adapted and gave freedom to CDK. But Pioli didn't allow the attacking players to move freely. Tell me what Kompany has achieved so far as a manager. Pirlo finished in the top 4 and got Juve to the quarter. Generally midfielders are better as coaches. I hope Pirlo will bounce back soon.

[@ziontrain7887]

@@MdAbidHossainzim Pirlo couldn’t win a title with a Juventus team that was better than ever team in Serie A. Look man, the guy suck and the same goes for Pippo Inzaghi. Coaching is not for everyone. As Gasperini, he prefers to work with young players and not elite level players because he’s not a man manager like Ancelotti. Gasperini would never do well in a top club that’s why he failed at Inter. Pioli would have been a failure at Milan without leaders like Ibra and Giroud and Pioli is the type of coach who is always using players out of their best position. CDK wasn’t ready for a big club because he cannot handle the pressure and weight of the jersey. So he was doomed to fail at Milan.

[@LaVerdad2]

I can’t understand in one breathe you act like Maldini has molded this club and everyone we have that’s good is because of him and then in another breathe you say all our players aren’t up to it and they just aren’t very good. How can we act like Tonali would have done anything to strengthen this club when he was suspended for a year and hasn’t done anything since. You can say both sides of the argument have made mistakes and Red Bird needs to step up.

[@MartinoPuccio]

I think you missed the entire point as to how the squad added 15 new players since Maldini left lol

[@LaVerdad2]

I may have missed it during the 35 minute complaining fest. Yes and just like Maldini they have made some very smart purchases too. You say that CDK has been great for Atalanta but he wasn’t great for us in the system he bought him to fit in. You also choose not to mention Maldini was not just fired for his personnel choices but also his inner struggle for more power when he wasn’t holding the cards. Saying we lost to Lazio, which isn’t true, and laughable saying this is the worst run club in football. To say this is worse than Banter era is an absolute joke and downright blasphemy. This ownership has not been great but it has brought it out of financial ruin and has grown it exponentially worldwide. Not even Chelsea fans complain this much. I know you can say if you don’t like my show don’t listen and that’s fair but I usually agree with you. Just tired of the players not being blamed and somehow it’s all because our savior Maldini has been left for the wolves. If he’s such a great commodity why hasn’t he been hired by top clubs since?

[@MartinoPuccio]

I never once said they lost to Lazio so that is a complete lie to start. We all know the result of that one anyways. Complain fest? Man just shut up lol, people are rightfully calling out a terrible job by management and ownership. Simple as. Maldini was great but had flaws as we have mentioned every single goddamn time we mention him. Either talk in good faith or don't talk at all

[@LaVerdad2]

@@MartinoPuccio if it wasn’t you who said it about Lazio then it was your guest and if you listen back you will hear it. But you’re too tough for that right. I’ll answer if I want to I don’t need your approval. That’s what great about the internet. I see you’re a little sensitive because all my points are valid and if you can’t take a little discourse than I think you need to get some tougher skin.

[@MdAbidHossainzim]

​​@@LaVerdad2what is the definition of smart purchase for you? You must be an american fan only talking about Pulisic, Pulisic. Yes Pulisic has been good offensively, but he doesn't know his defensive position which is why RB is suffering more compared to when Alexis used to play as RW. He did not leave for power struggle. He wanted more authority and clarity while signing players and urged the management for more budget. He failed to pass Renato and Botman deals for not getting green lights from the higher management. He was failing to keep or sign players with that 5m salary cap. He was right to ask for more budget as the core team he had was very close to peak and he needed some world class signings to pluck the holes for immediate success. Your last question why Maldini has not been hired by a top club yet. You need to look back at his career and understand why he did not leave the club as a player getting much better offers from other top clubs just like Del piero, Totti etc.

[@philliplloyd1518]

Milan is a mess, the scudetto was an accident. This club is still in a banter era and I don't see us be ambitious anytime soon.

[@larkstonguesinaspic4814]

Scudetto was not an accident. We were a genuinely great team that season. Just go and watch how we played compared to now, the difference is day and night. With Maldini at the director role, Zlatan and Giroud up front with their leadership and experience, Tonali and pre-injury Bennacer were a far better midfield than what we are right now, Tomori and Kjaer were the best defensive duo we had in ages... But instead of building on that great foundation with investments and signing great players to replace the old experienced ones, the management decided to sack Maldini, sell Tonali, and cheap out on players and coaches. So, instead of progressing from the scudetto season, we regressed. But that scudetto wasn't an accident. We were truly on our way up and Cardinale managed to fuck it up.

[@skullfc4215]

Yes you have to blame Fonseca for the mess on the right side, he had the opportunity to play Kalulu as our RB, he decided he wasn't it and pick Emerson. People forgot, Moncada want it Thiago Santos, the RB Fonseca had in Los and Fonseca said no, bring me Emerson. Is the same thing with RLC and Pioli last year, 2 transfers that had nothing to do with the club strategy to satisfy coaches that are going to be sacked!

[@YusuphaTamba-l2w]

Am sending messages form Gambia we love milan, but it's so hard to see how we play football .we play like if 10 years kids are playing milan players and the coach will make the fans go crazy and believe me on Sunday alist lnter milan are playing very well so what will happen 5-0