Will New Zealand complete their revenge mission against South Africa?

[@davidradovanovich8428]

You lost me when you said before the match that Ireland deserved to win. Nobody deserves anything at RWC other than what their collective efforts deserve on the day.

[@brucefale6132]

Exactly. Deserve has nothing to do with it. You go out there and take it.

[@brentpope100]

David your correct, what i had meant to say was that before this match and based on what happened over the last couple of years that it was there time. All Blacks were magnificent on the day and no-one could question that it was them that deserved the win.

[@woelag027]

I recon if I played the boks would of scored a try

[@easyebrown6469]

What Ireland has experienced in this WC campaign is what the ABs experienced for the best part of 24 years. From 1987 until 2011, they were the best team/Top 3 in between WCs and would always fall short. If I had a dollar for every time I heard the comment "NZ are the greatest team in between World Cups" lol. It's not a matter of "if" Ireland will ever win a WC, its a matter of "when". People forget McCaw and DC failed at x2 WCs before winning their first. 🇳🇿

[@VKM33]

..but Ireland have never won a single rwc since 36 years! This was their best chance and they failed miserably

[@firepunch5001]

loved this show the ladies were just brilliant all of you what a lovely pod Loved oh sorry said that already

[@clyde-x5r3v]

Beautiful

[@Gumboot_City_NZ]

As New Zealanders now you know how we feel!!! Going into World Cups 98% of the time the ABs go in as favorites!! In 2007 we were super confident but got knocked out. That sux doesn't it😅 the pain!! Getting knocked out in 2019 didn't bother me as much as 2007 cos 2007 was our time and a beast team on paper 😭 lol

[@tylerscott3078]

silly potato heads saying the all blacks are teir two

[@Gumboot_City_NZ]

@@tylerscott3078 to be fair we joked about that being here in NZ and we thought we were being original, thinking ABs better look out, we might have to play qualifying matches for the next world cup with the Wallabies 🤣🤣

[@mikezog1030]

How exactly did South Africa "not deserve to win"? Better defence, better attack, more tries, more attempt at playing rugby (nearly resulting in a try by Willie) in atrocious conditions. And better kicking. Oh, and more points.

[@mikezog1030]

And our bench was better.

[@phillipmiga3961]

These two beautiful ladies they know their rugby,i enjoyed your analysis keep it up

[@kevincallaghan3212]

Two great positive guests love popey Legend

[@aarondes8]

I really enjoyed that podcast. Intelligent commentary and insights thank you

[@brucefale6132]

Actually they're clueless.

[@desirogers8091]

2015 NZ put over 60 on France, but 44 against Argentina is a lopsided draw? As for SA if your looking for weaknesses, lack of character is not one of them.

[@jeremyviall4168]

That was a quarterfinal against France. The Semi was South Africa and NZ won by 2 points...

[@desirogers8091]

@@jeremyviall4168 South Africa did fantastically this time around, Argentina no small feat making the semifinals for any team and all teams showed their style of this game we enjoy. Referees and all coordinators of the tournament were world class. Hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. Kia ora.

[@mikezog1030]

Jake White was sacked after winning the 2007 RWC (and in fact his job advertised during the world cup). But that is just SA politics.

[@user-fp6rn2km4i]

what fools. "a 78 minute kick broke their hearts" and "England were the better team" and "England deserved to win." If they were better and deserved to win, why didn't they?

[@walk-with-Walz]

Didn't you watch the game?

[@mikezog1030]

@@walk-with-Walz Didn't you? Who had better defence? Who scored more tries? Who won?

[@brentpope100]

Sport does not always go that way, is it always just about the result? I presume that teams can sometimes dominate some games in terms of territory, possession etc yet still lose. If England had of won would they have deserved it?

[@user-fp6rn2km4i]

@@walk-with-Walz stupid question.

[@user-fp6rn2km4i]

@brentpope100 it clearly is just about the result because all the losers are still talking about. If England won in the 80 minutes fairly, yes but they didn't. England needed more points but they were strangled.

[@corneldejongh]

Great episode! Go Boks!

[@willempretorius6700]

Great show, with excellent pundits BUT. You're talking about the Springboks mate. In a final...

[@JohnMichaels-fs7bi]

Scrape by? If I recall correctly, This is the first team any team has play this quality of side to be in a final.

[@MurrayLeckie]

Barnes wasn't at the 95 WC .He was 16 that year. Barnes was very inexperience in 2007 when he officiated the quarter final NZ vs France and he had a shocker. Look in up.

[@pistolpetenaki]

Don’t need to look it up ..he ref the quarterfinal in 2007 . What most people don’t know nz choose Barnes to ref that game

[@pistolpetenaki]

It wasn’t 6 loss in a row ..we actually never loss 6 in a row ..1998 we had lost 5 in a row .. we actually lost 3 in a row .. last year then it was 4 loss out of 6 .. foster has yet to win the rugby World Cup .. so he’s to win to prove he was the right guy .. but to be fair he had one of the worst winning record as an all black coach ..we still loss two test matches this year which one of them was our worst result ever over South Africa .,World cup rugby is different to test rugby .. which foster has shown this bs . That you don’t need 4 years to win a rugby World Cup ..

[@gideonjoubert7692]

Regarding scrum interpretation, the ref will judge which team has momentum, and momentum is a massive factor in rugby or sport in general, so being a ref in the middle of the heat you need allow the him to use his discretion and interpret what he sees. The rules in rugby puts a big onus on the refs judging which team has the upperhand in certain areas of the game within the laws

[@ronniegrey4445]

Awesome debate good balance.

[@1Parata]

NZ grew out of the pains of being number 1 at every world cup except this 1 and not winning and we always thought we would win, so being number 1 and winning everything in between world cups doesn't win you a cup no matter how deserving you think you are. The legacy of both these countries is why we share 6 world cups about to be 7 between us, the All Blacks will be hard to beat at our best the springbok only win world cups every 12 years lol will be a classic. Ireland will come back strong looking forward to seeing the lessons learnt at the next 6 nations.

[@heinrichbosch630]

And didn't this age poorly like milk. I wonder if in your math book 2019 to 2023 world cup wins are 12 years apart... Anyway, it is what it is.

[@markmcmath1686]

You leave that honesty for a book, that’s what Fonzie will do.

[@bobalobba]

England had a chance to finish SA off, but they blew it. NZ won't make that mistake if they are in the same position

[@ngabushallday6642]

The game was always going to turn with the SA bench being so influential. The two points scorers, Pollard & Snyman came off the bench, the scrum penalty that gave SA the match winning penalty was down to Ox Nche & Vincent Koch, bench players. England simply did not make enough of their dominance over that first 60 minutes in terns of scoring points & when they went behind and were forced to play rugby, they were time & again caught behind the gain line and eventually conceded the penalty. It was a decent gameplan from England, apart from not having an answer to the Springboks bench.

[@matttaylor678]

Also not having an answer to the refereeing of the scrum.

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

ENGLAND would have beaten new Zeeland with thier game plan and conditions New Zealand played weak Argentina team 😂

[@ngabushallday6642]

@theofilusbouwer3430 Lol, England couldn't use the ball when it mattered most, the notion that they believed they could win a WC semifinal in 3's is ultimately why they lost.

[@mikezog1030]

@@matttaylor678 Look at the video that shows that scrum from BOK's side (above in the comments) - the England prop Genges dropped to a knee and then when he stood up it had turned inward because of his drop.

[@trevorrhoode600]

Yeah guys , you can't talk ,plan and change as much as you like but it's normal to dream ! Just don't go Green cause the Boogieman is dark green with gold trim ain't going away! World champions!😮

[@BlownCapeTown]

Why is it an issue when a player is replaced after 30 mins? If the position is being shared, we wouldn't complain about the replacement coming on with 30 mins to play... would we?

[@gl3nnium]

I agree with the Gumboot City commenter below. It's Ireland's first time knowing what it feels like to have the wieght of expectation upon you and to then get knocked out. It's a feeling NZ knows well. Does NZ hold grudges? That's kind of a weird concept. I think we do if some kind of injustice has occurred but if it's simply a loss things usually go down like the gentleman in the video said...We keep receipts.

[@myshepspud1]

When last did you hear about Suzie, I know I heard about her last week. 😅

[@clyde-x5r3v]

We want wiremu, not reciepts

[@walk-with-Walz]

The Irish should be damn proud of their rugby boys, this Irish team is fantastic, no question about it.

[@VKM33]

Absolute failures and an embarrassment

[@suewindsor5196]

Don't write us off. The Sprinboks have a lot to play for.....our country needs a win!!

[@gl3nnium]

Trust me, nobody is writing off the Springboks. NZ will need to brings it's 'A' game times ten to this one. 95 was a long time ago, but we remember it like it was yesterday. It's going to be an epic game.

[@user-fp6rn2km4i]

why does SA need the win?

[@AndrewMckay]

​@@user-fp6rn2km4iwe essentially a failed state The government has failed in all departments. Electricity, water, education, health, police we are crumbling. The economy is in a terrible state, massive unemployment and people are really battling. Poverty levels are increasing and I suspect we will have major social unrest and roits very soon Most government structures have collapsed or are in a state of collapse South Africans see the Springboks as a sign of excellence and something that still functions. We can still compete on the world stage We need this win. We must win

[@brucefale6132]

You're better off getting constant electricity first

[@AndrewMckay]

@@brucefale6132 while everything is collapsing around us including no electricity the Bokke bring us joy and hope. And we all need it. I can't believe the northern hemisphere with all the incredible resources, money and stability cannot put us away with ease.

[@maynardjunior5638]

Irish should focus on passing the quarter final before thinking of a world cup 😅 it south africa for the 3 in the row

[@alcoyne3333333333333]

PLEASE The host of the show take control in future... it was great especially Pope. But there was to much talking over each other and Interrupting .... 😮 BUT this can be easily fixed please..

[@propellerhead428]

Not sure how a team can expect or deserve to win a game based on their past performance, they can deserve to play in that specific match based on their prior performance, you deserve to win the game by winning that game. When you put your feet on the pitch no prior wins or history counts especially in a knockout game.

[@barrynichols2846]

I still want Fozzie out. Joe Schmidt and Jason Ryan saved him. NZ Rugby sacked Fozzie's team, and replaced them, Jason Ryan was Razor's forward coach

[@Sunflower-dt6ev]

And one of the first things Jase Ryan did was recall both Lomax & De Groot, who were dropped by Foster & his wise men. And promptly introduced Fletcher Newell (& this year Tamaiti Williams, both from the Razor gang).

[@barrynichols2846]

@@Sunflower-dt6ev the first time I saw Tyrel Lomax I was shocked by how big that man is. Tamaite Williams, I think is even bigger. The two veteran props have been dropped for simply bigger men

[@brucefale6132]

​@@barrynichols2846the two veteran props were actually dropped for better props.

[@barrynichols2846]

Bigger and better@@brucefale6132

[@MooLaa-e1s]

Coming in fresher mate but you forgot the BOKS came in BATTLE-HARDENED.

[@paulhenry2011]

Wonder if "Suzie" will make a return with her potion like in 1995 ..im sure the ABs will watch what they eat and drink this time..lol

[@mikezog1030]

If its not Suzie it will be a Rudy or a Lucy - or the ref or something else.

[@paulhenry2011]

@15.10min...Yes but NZ were 13 for 10 min and then 14 men down most of the game at Twikernam lol

[@johnjames6620]

That was NZ's Achilles heel. Some illegal play doesn't get picked up by the ref and then NZ benefits. In the final NZ sacrificed 10m in the bin to get Bongo off the field.

[@at7512]

More subjectivity in the breakdown calls than rhe scrum, so let's first look at the rules around the breakdown..

[@VKM33]

..the CURSE CONTINUES 🖤

[@jeremyviall4168]

No side has ever won the WC whilst winning everything else in between. The 87 all blacks weren't the favorites pre world cup. The 2011 All Blacks lost the RC and lost 3 in a row to SA in 2010. The 2015 All Blacks lost the RC and had a record score loss against Aussie. 95 SA were pumped by everyone pre world cup etc etc. If you are winning constantly, you don't find out what your weaknesses are, and how to counter act them. But you give everyone else a chance to do so.

[@uChakide]

I believe Jake White was "fired" after the 2007 RWC. So no, Fozzie would not have been the first.

[@at7512]

No ways Wayne Barnes was reffing 1995 final..😂😂

[@jaspermalan3640]

It was not Ireland best chance to win the WC, they did not have depth in there sqaud, until then they wont make it, you need 33 players one as strong as the other

[@brentpope100]

You may be right, and that has always been the major issue to be honest

[@jaspermalan3640]

@brentpope100 I love the way Ireland play and even as a bok supporter I would love to see Ireland go further in a WC, even if means kicking my team out, but it takes depth depth and more depth, they play the best rugby plan in the world already, build there sqaud and they will ve unstoppable

[@rikiwikeepa4684]

Don’t forget we only had 13 players remember

[@wakaroawaata1586]

I love Ireland, but im a All Black supporter. Ireland will only get better....

[@shanowilliams9851]

arrogance m8..why ireland lost..sorry too say this but tiz true......wrote us off..all of yous.........

[@tobolee6385]

It's all talk ,,the result will be at the end of the game ,,,by the way ,,weather is for rain ,,,,

[@at7512]

Jake White was sacked after SA won in 2007

[@brucefale6132]

These clowns are dreaming if they think NZs cupboard is bare after this WC.

[@brentpope100]

Couple of things to consider Bruce, a lot of players heading off, plenty to retire in the next few years, well positioned in the front row just worry about big second rows, back-rows (No 6) Also Under 20's have struggled the last couple of years which was not always the way. How many of this All Black team will still be around in 4 years I wonder?

[@brucefale6132]

@@brentpope100 players retire after every WC it's nothing new. I see very capable young players in the NPC with big futures. Scott Robertson is no slouch either in building a champion team with the resources he has and has proven that over and over.

[@brentpope100]

@@brucefale6132 I agree about Scotty as I know him and know he will do a great job, but in my opinion looking at the NPC and at the cuurent under 20's. New Zealand rugby is finding it hard to get those big men. But sure its just my opinion,

[@ferdiemeyer163]

Boks know how to win finals🍻🍻🍻

[@johankritzinger4206]

Bad loosers have hours discussions about winners that didnt supposedly deserve to win

[@pixelpotato4874]

Lessgo All Blacks P.S.dont forget to um,you know um,taste test the um,food😂😂😂

[@garymoore9997]

Momentum counts for nothing aye Ireland

[@tuckervio3189]

How can these two call themselves Kiwi's. Stay in Ireland, hand your NZ passport in because we don't want traitor's!!!

[@KIWINZ2024]

Hardout thats why there in Ireland nz didint want them 😂

[@pmarkc3743]

Answer; NO! SPRINGBOKS WON 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@sandilemfeka4658]

Ireland deserved to win? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MatthewDallalibera]

Dont forget ABs beat Boks in the 4 nation..

[@Wowvis-lc9us]

Brent pope conversation hog I prefer Media reaction with Coaches & Captains

[@theofilusbouwer3430]

Love how new zealand beating a weak under preforming Argentina side makes them favorites 😂😂😂England would have beaten new Zeeland again in semi final

[@clyde-x5r3v]

Argentina got into the semi finals they deserve to be there how were they weak

[@rodeo4786]

England would have to change tactics and deploy a concept called attacking rugby 😂they'd get blown off the park. no wait just play for penalties and kick their way to victory 😊

[@neilstanley5565]

Dreamer, 4 more years clown.

[@peterwomersley]

uncdfdone ? hardly Pundits really know as much as the man in the street