Will Riding Twice a Day Make You Faster? The Science

[@endcensorship874]

I had a job where I commuted by bike, and it was 45 min ride each way. All I know was, I was hella fit that summer. Just anecdotal, of course.

[@tonymanitta7078]

I am a road cyclist and I have been riding for 5 years I do a lot of long-distance riding grandfather centuries and double centuries. My question to you is this I was diagnosed with third stage kidney disease. Do you know of any cyclists athletes that had dealt with kidney disease and how they continued riding with kidney disease I'm trying to find out information if you could be so kind to let me know if you have any information on that. Thank you very much

[@andresromerocoz]

@@tonymanitta7078 If you ever find that information would be awesome, I'm currently diagnosed with policystic kidney disease and wanting yo get serious with cycling, so, I'm also interested in kidney health in high level performing athletes.

[@lloydChristmas-j6n]

Same. Similar commute, 15 miles one way with about 2000’ of elevation. Got real bike fit, real fast.

[@RevoltingRudi]

had this for a training course over 10 weeks. commuted 16k 45min one way. good route with very few traffic lights or reasons to brake. started with 3x week (other days with the train) and ended up 5x/week at any weather and did one hard 1h 25k loop ride on the weekend. did this on a flatbar sports bike, no real roadbike. felt strong af and got real lean. sadly i don´t live in that region anymore and can´t compare if i am now stronger or not. oh and the morning ride was fasted, then slight breakfast, studying, normal lunch, and after the evening ride i just ate depending on hunger whatever. never wrote it down. maybe i will travel there again for vacation. and ride my old loop again. still have that sportsbike.

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Same. I would ride into work 14km each way. Average 40-45mins to knock out 14km. Though I have knocked out 14km at 38-39mins before but thats not something i've done in an extremely long time.

[@cerocerocinco]

At the end of the winter i often do two rides a day to increase volume. For example 2h outside + 1,5h on Zwift. For me it has several benefits: - I can eat and hydrate in between the 2 rides, which i feel is better for the quality of the training as a whole. - I dont have to train in the cold for too long, and dont have to train on Zwift for too long (where dehydration is always a danger). - When training alone it's mentally a lot easier to break the training in two then going out for 3h or 4h time after time. I just get more hours on the bike this way, which always is win.

[@BulletJS]

love this approach and do the same

[@xAudiolith]

Amazing approach for the off season and I do the same. Sometimes due to weather I even split outdoors rides and I've found that to be quite good as well. Better than cutting the day short at 2 hours when it was supposed to be 4

[@VincentJGoh]

When I was younger and doing training camps, we often split the days into 2. In between, we'd have a chance for a meal and a nap and maybe some bike maintenance. Because we were there for a week, it split the days up really nicely, didn't give us too much downtime, and felt better and more fun overall. Of course, one of the big reasons to do 2 rides in a day is so you can do 2 different kinds of riding in a day. Going for a road ride in the morning and then a MTB ride in the afternoon is a lot more fun than slogging through 5 solid hours on the road.

[@cyclingfreak56]

Agreed, however it’s also fun to podium once in awhile and splitting disciplines whilst fun in the day might not be the way to achieve that fun goal! ✌️💕🚴🏼

[@VincentJGoh]

@@cyclingfreak56 Tell that to Mathieu van der Poel! 😆 Seriously, though, if you're a mountain biker, you probably spend more time on the road than on the trails; doing a morning road ride for fitness and an evening MTB ride for skills is a good way to train.

[@elonif4125]

Its really scary. Yesterday i thought: Is it a good idea to ride twice a day? Dylan should make a video about this. Boom, next day its there

[@JibbaJabber]

I had a similar thought about Hypergain Beastmode Raw Edition (*cupcake flavour). *BOOM*

[@elonif4125]

@@JibbaJabber LMAO😅

[@rubielrodriguez2144]

Road bike with the roadies out of the cafe early in the mourning, then Shred the trails with the buddies in the mtb in the afternoon to have a 🍺 afterwards... That's my two workout per 😂

[@ianfurqueron5850]

I had a similar thought - indoor high intensity session followed by a fun/casual group ride on dirt.

[@ohcrapwhatsnext]

So no working? You must be independently wealthy or retired like me. hahah

[@neelsahay5227]

You’re living the life my friend

[@gerritfourie2239]

Dyll!!!,,,,,,this is your BEST video for MILLIONS of cyclists all over the WORLD!!!!!,,,,,,,,thanks a lot for your time and resources!!!.(64y vet RSA)

[@daviddougherty114]

Hey Dylan, thanks for the bringing the research to an easily understandable, practical video. I think you should consider if you haven't already, reaching out to some of the major institutions doing research in these areas to collaborate with them. You're positioned well as a high level athlete and coach to help develop research design and topics particularly where you have identified shortcomings. Hard to do I'm certain unless you are bringing along the funding to make those things happen but maybe you could tie in some sponsors you are already engaged with that may have some common interests. Just a thought...

[@barmouthbridge8772]

The indiscipline I've gained from backward hat D has hindered my training hugely . I've overtrained massively and am on a crippling downward performance spiral. Thanks.

[@Bendersnatchling]

Are you questioning the effectiveness of Hyper Gain Best Mode?!

[@stephen_101]

He should be put on trial.

[@kchall5]

Yea, but did you crush the bike path KOM? That's the most important performance metric!

[@poochie8208]

@@kchall5 Some would argue that it is the ONLY metric that really matters

[@avva4090]

Hey Dylan thanks for the content! With your channel, I've made huge strides in my training in the past 3 years, and avoided some common pitfalls and gimmicks. Cheers!

[@elijones7927]

Thanks for looking into this one Dylan! For me, the point about incremental volume increase is the biggest factor for me. I can add another 5 hours of volume a week by incorporating lunch rides on a two-a-day schedule. Sounds like it's worth doing!

[@Mapdec]

Great vid. You’re right that published research is so limited or has such small sample sizes. Keep pushing the strength gospel 💪 the message is getting through!

[@martinemptage6798]

Pre pandemic I was regularly riding twice a day commuting to and from work. My commute is about 33km each way. One year this was my only training for a 210km ride called Around the Bay. First year I did it I hadn’t ridden enough commuting or did enough long rides to get ready for it, second time was only commuting (had already done 5000km for the year) prior to doing the same ride and was able to complete it without being destroyed like I was the first time. From my experience riding twice a day has a lot of benefits for both fitness and endurance.

[@ohcrapwhatsnext]

So i agree with the twice a day, longer and a shorter... I started doing this again recently... Ok, im 65, on strava too so i cant hide my results. I rode 75 miles sat at about 17.5 mph and today 32 miles today at 19.7 mph. I feel great. Its getting cold here in NV, so changing is a pain in the rear, and the cold sucks.... I will do two rides tomorrow. A 1800 ft climb and 50 mile trip. Then a small 20 miler later... Love the information... BTW, i suck down electrolyte pack every hour and in the long ride i eat figs too... and two large waters in 75 mile trip on a cool day.

[@Ultegra10SPD]

Glad your back. Gym work and acquiring the equip so i don't have to scratch/claw for time at the gym has been on the mind lately. Naturally i start thinking about these videos. -U10

[@jeffp1377]

Dylan’s brain: “what’s the science of riding twice in one day? 🤔” My brain: “What’s the science of wearing the same bibs twice in one day? 😬”

[@JibbaJabber]

Simple: science says turn them inside out!! Next question??

[@homiertcw]

Am i the only one who wears them more than one session before washing :D?

[@HumaneNewt]

@@homiertcw ‘my friend’ also does this. Should I tell him to stop?

[@discbrakefan]

@@homiertcw That’s not good dude

[@dangurtler7177]

@@homiertcw Could be. I've had saddle sores before and I take no chances.

[@trbeyond]

I’ve played around a lot with the timing and order of strength and my hard rides and actually found it most effective and least compromising if I do my strength session and then immediately (w in 30-60 min) get into my hard ride. It almost acts as a priming for my muscles and then gives me more time to recover after. And this still holds true in the off season when I’m lifting pretty hard. Key thing is to make sure I stay well field with some protein and carbs all through the ride.

[@OTBTBDA]

My former coach who is coach to a Tour De France winning team would periodically have me do two rides per day. This was days when two different tasks had to be achieved (easy AM recovery ride later an intense PM ride), it definitely fired up my fat burning rate, but the works outs had to be 6 hour a part. Otherwise the rides had to be 12 hrs a part. I did hear riders in the past like Jalebert and a Belgian rider of the same era (1990-2000's) saying they sometimes did 3-5 work outs in one day!!!

[@curtbentley]

Hey Dylan, always enjoy your videos. I'm a runner who cycles for cross-training. One of the most discussed training topics in the running space right now is double workout days, modeled most famously by the Ingebrigtsen brothers. So, not only a two run day, but a two workout day, followed by a super easy recovery day (or two). This is not just splitting a predetermined volume into two workouts, but increasing the volume of intense work that would otherwise be done in a day by doing two workouts. The workouts are usually some variation of threshold effort that is strictly controlled by heart rate or even a lactate meter...so kept at a level that is supposed to be manageable. I think a lot of runners experimenting with this type of training are doing the second session on the bike or elliptical to try and manage the muscle damage. I'd be interested in hearing your take on this. Also, can't tell you how much I enjoyed your series with Stephen Seiler. Great channel!

[@samuelhodges7593]

Spent my whole summer training for an Ironman generally riding before work for 2hrs, and 2hrs after work, with sometimes a short run or swim at lunch. It was an efficient way for me to log hours at low/ medium intensity

[@waynetice7908]

Never done an Ironman but I am a triathlete. I usually do 2 workouts a day with exception to my long run day. I love doing 2 runs in a day during the week due to my schedule. I work night shift, it helps.

[@10789macca]

When I do one of my last Ironman rises before the race, was 4hrs in the morning zone 2 earlymorning, then come back in the afternoon for a 1hr of power to simulate that fatigue in the race. But mostly high intensity morning, recovery afternoons. Good channel 👍.

[@nycbliss]

I’m reviewing your 10 mos. old vlog, how to make 2021 your best year…time to get 2020 & 2021 behind me and start over. Thanks for the info and inspiration 👍🏽

[@frazergoodwin4945]

From 8:10 anyone else screaming HELL YEAH scientific vindication for the café stop!

[@mlafleurhua]

Very interesting topic that I believe could justify one or more follow ups. Three additional angles come to mind. Firstly, I was surprised the video did not cover the pretty common case of competitive cyclists who use their morning and late afternoon commutes as key elements in their training. A few people are mentioning this in the comments. Secondly, the experience of high level triathletes who have been doing two a day workouts as a staple for years. Thirdly, it seems to be a common occurrence to do two a day rides during training camps. There might even be some research literature from eastern block countries from work they did in this area back in the 70s and 80s.

[@stevenbalderstone709]

Dylan, another quality video as usual. There seems to be something of a misinterpretation of the traditional intended purpose of twice per day training sessions - which was normalised in Lydiard's work with Olympic champion runners; the pre-breakfast session usually had the dual purposes of acting as a quasi-recovery run and supplementary aerobic conditioning. So this is a relatively easy workout (in running terms 40min to 1 hour at a lower intensity) and would typically be done around 3 times per week. Any benefits associated with fasted training was a minor complement - and not the prime purpose of the session. Similarly, the intent was not to pre-exhaust the muscular system ahead of the evening interval session, nor does it have that effect if the intensity is kept low-moderate. So, it may be worth questioning the argument for morning intervals / weights sessions. I'd argue that programming may actually be counter productive. The primary and complementary purposes of those twice-daily sessions may be confused by current fashionable topics such as fasted training. Back in the day, training twice or three times per day (easy run, stretch & strength, intervals) was common and sustainable when done at the appropriate intensity, and is still common among middle-distance track athletes - probably more so than among pure endurance athletes, which may be an important point of distinction. Idea for another video; have athletes improved across generations? - what does the science say. Isolate for variables such as technology, equipment, and I'd be surprised if you see more than 1% improvement over time.

[@mateagoston8145]

One of my friend is regularly racing the SAS - ULTRA 200km Zwift race. That's perhaps "just" 4 and a half hours for many riders, but if you do it "correctly" like BHD, then you blow yourself in the first couple of minutes and ride the rest of the race in zone 1, then there you go, you have a 5+ hour race on Zwift. :D

[@Rightouttheback]

As a student I committed to work and university, 2 short but fast rides. Slow was boring and as I got fitter I pushed harder and harder over the 10 to 15 miles. Some hills I treated like a hill sprint, and after a while I found you were fit on both the morning and evening commute. Lining up for my first mountain bike race I naturally started near the back, not being too confident of my abilities. As we progressed up the first hill I surprised myself and mates in slowing catching most of the field. My endurance was not there for the last 30 min of the race but I still did surprisingly well. Later as an amateur enthusiast snd racer, I commuted to work then did a structured workout after work. Although there might not be studies to support it,I think there was be some benefits to us in doing the odd 2 rides per day esp if time does not allow us a longer one.

[@ScrapKing73]

Since millions of people commute by bicycle every day, twice a day cycling isn’t exactly rare. And using a bicycle commute for fitness likely isn’t uncommon either, hundreds of millions likely commute by bicycle, and likely many millions of those do it at least in part for exercise. GCN even did a multi-part video series on how to get the most training benefit out of your commute. Two times a day cycling being so common makes it all the more surprising there isn’t more research on it!

[@pistax0]

I am commuting daily to work, that ends up on x2 Z1 30min ride every single day. I try to use them as a recovery ride (but, split in two), although after that I still have to go through HIT or endurance session. After weeks of this found that: Recovery weeks aren´t ended up as fresh as they should, even reducing the volume accordingly. Also, some of the HIT (specially 3x10min) are difficult to finish, specially the last interval. If others are doing this, some (based on my perception) tips: try to merge the commute back home with an endurance ride (as easy as bringing cycling cloths to work), stay at Z1 even any other commuter overtakes you and, if you are tired when back from home, listen you your body.

[@verbinnenben]

I always commute going full gazzzz ::(((((((((((((((((

[@andrewcockburn7484]

I usually commute 1 hour each way 4 days a week and ride at the weekend. During the 2020 lockdown I replaced this with a single 1.5-2hr ride. I got fitter. My 20 minute power was about 10 watts up on 2019. I felt like the longer ride meant I spent less time warming up and I was more recovered for harder sessions.

[@TheMrbrookster]

I have a very similar experience, but I find my recreational rides are at a lower intensity (much lower) than my commute rides, when I'm commuting I'm usually rushing off to work so its usually full gas in both directions.

[@dylstaff]

In other words double up on that Flow Formula subscription baby!

[@hawkeyelikesbikes]

@Dylan Johnson One issue to consider regarding timing and scheduling is injury risk, especially as an older athlete. For this reason, and following Joe Friel's thinking on this issue, I perform my weights routine after the aerobic or endurance workout, particularly in maximum strength phase. Sure, it may compromise how hard I can push in the weights session, but it acts as a natural limiter protecting key joints like knees.

[@AdamRobergeCycling]

Great video as always, Dylan. Thank you.

[@mo-215]

Hahahahahaha.....I just saw the T shirts!!! What would backward hat dylan do???? YES!!!!! MY MAN!!! Will be buying some bro gear.

[@heavydam]

And another perfect timing as I am just figuring out how I should plan my weeks for the upcoming season. Thanks a lot!! :D

[@markl2815]

I. Proud of myself, I’m 57 yrs old, weight about 117kg, ride regularly (not competitive) …. Also bikepack regularly … None of that is why I’m proud …. I’m proud mostly because I understood some of that stuff Who’d have thought it Tbh, for people like me, I won’t ever compete, I need to use the time I have in the real world to best effect and I’m trying to find any input that makes “blocking out a short meeting slot while home working and doing a short session” “or maybe another later” mean something so I can judge on it’s worth.

[@leeseoWestport]

Whoever designs these studies need to consult the current athletes about training science…I completely agree with the problems pointed out with the current studies.

[@adamsims6490]

As someone that commuted 35min twice a day (plus one big Saturday ride) for the last 4 years this rings true. I now only ride 3 longer (2-4hr) rides per week but my volume is approximately the same. While I’m still getting back to my pre-covid levels of fitness I can already tell that my training is equal if not better. The other days I’ve been getting some gym work in but that’s what BHD recommends.

[@roebbiej]

Dylan of course I'll watch this video because I know it's gonna be good, but where are the race recaps we all love to watch?🤔

[@drapetomaniack]

When I was younger and still able to do builds to 20-25hr a week 😱.. I went to two rides a day as the only way to keep the same schedule and intensities in a day while increasing volume. For example Tuesday was my day where I concentrated on the thing I was trying to improve in that macro cycle.. so for example I could do my hill repeats in the morning 2-3hrs and still go to the local crit (~3hrs with ride to from + race) in the afternoon... this is VERY doable in two rides but doing 6hrs AND maintaining that level of intensity is basically impossible.. it basically makes practical actually hitting the intended intensity and increasing volumes not otherwise possible.. other alternative is just adding low intensity volume... but low intensity volume day you can just increase and increase as required, so that's not a problem practically.. but that's not the case with higher intensity... breaking into two workout actually works.. you can actually do it.. it's not a problem... of course this is only if you're ready for it.. you are at a point in your training where to progress you need it... I didn't use it a training technique that elicited some benefit.. it was the only practical way to increase load, while maintaining a training structure and prescribed intensities that were working for me... BUT, if your load can practically be done in one workout, you might as well just do it in one workout!

[@dustanmartin7405]

I have a couple of questions for future videos, mostly related to strength training. 1. How do resistance bands compare to weights? And what would be a good way to use resistance bands as a cyclist vs as a body builder? I recently had a small crash while out for a morning ride before work and broke my hip. During part of the physical therapy program Blood Flow Restriction (BFR) was used with body weight exercises. 2. What would be the role of BFR training as a cyclist? There are different body types which will respond to training in different ways. One day I was watching some bike race video and noticing the buff arms on some racer, probably in a skin suit, and thought - that's me! 3. Being someone who is more of an endurance body type than an Arnold Schwarzenegger body type and who likes to ride and does resistance/weight training to improve my bike riding how much do I really need to worry about bulking up? In the past I have followed the power lifter model of heavier weights and fewer reps but does this even really matter for me, or for anyone who is not the Chris Froome on a team, or even for him?

[@DavidDavida]

i ride with 10 - 30 lbs in back pack have a lota uphill and downhill riding.. start stop in traffic and often ride Several times during any given day resting from minuits to hours.. occasionaly taking a few days off. i ride in my Comfort zone most of the time only occasionaly Hitting it.. and riding on empty belly works for me... Eat light an often no sugary treats ( i do drink a lota beer.. home made non filtered) i make each ride a multi benifit event to keep it interesting fun and easy..things such as visiting friends an family I use my bike as my OnlyMeans of travel.. could barelly walk a year ago... started biking (i has a GaryFisher MB.. and freekin love it) i am 58 yrs old , within a few days i was feeling major benifits.. it feels like an ongoing evolution love the info and delivery D

[@DavidDavida]

really boils down to Knowing Ur Own Body as we learn to listen to it.. our body's are timed to natural algorithms and is complicated by the 24 h clock we dance to ..However i am in a position to ignore the clock most of the time and follow my own body clock literally No schedule

[@rescavone6690]

Always good info. Appreciate all of the research and unbiased information

[@willygray7212]

Thanks for answering this Dylan, love the questioning of conventional wisdom with hard science!

[@gregmorrison7320]

When I was younger and a serious XC MTB racer I used to do 2x a day on Tuesdays after a rest day, sprints in the morning only about an hour -hour 30, then high intensity intervals in the arvo. Def possible when I was young and serious and usually the intervals felt easier after the rev up in the morning. Pretty much the only day of the week that I would do 2x a day. Following days were less intense, AT work wed, endurance thurs, rest fri. Saturdays more sprints and intervals or AT, Sunday endurance, pretty std way of doing it I think. Any of the workouts could be done on the MTB or road, but road was better for the quality of the sprints.

[@Baum17]

As others have pointed out I think that training twice a day in any sport works best if you have different targets for each session. As far as I know when training for a marathon it is proven that if you want to build your aerobic base it is better to do a long run above 2 hours than two shorter runs at around 1 hour. So I would suspect that the same is true in cycling. However if you plan to do some high intensity training and some lower intensity training in one session you could do a lower intensity ride in the morning and a high intensity ride in the afternoon. The main benefit could be that you are more fresh when tackling the high intensity portions of your training plan.

[@popqueenpubgstudio1065]

Thanks Dylan, really helpful video! Recently I am on the base building stage after a pretty long holiday. Doing 2 hard weight lifting + 2-3 easy weight lifting which focu on upper body+2 HITT cycling + many endurance cycling zone2. Hope I can build a good fundation and reach my cycling goal in 2022. hahahahaha

[@mikesiemens4145]

My big issue is balancing the barbell and the bikes. I find that when I do the gym session, one or two days a week, that I can feel it in my legs for the next day or two. So I generally prioritize the bike work first and try to put a rest day after a gym session.

[@ohcrapwhatsnext]

Yep, that is a problem in the beginning.... So the gym session should be every third day, with a long ride in between at easy pace

[@timmills8521]

Dylan, just one thing, in Europe double sessions has been used rightly or wrongly for decades at the highest level in cycling, there does seem to be a slight misconception that old pros only rode one speed long tempo rides and didn't vary their training, they may not of had the scientific feedback of today, say from the sixties as an example, but many things we understand now from a medical POV were proven through trial and error in training regime's from earlier period's..

[@DurianriderCyclingTips]

Remember though that PED's are part of life in pro sport especially cycling. Training like those who are on PED's will quickly burn you out. Train smarter not harder. Look how fast I am at age 44 and on very very little training. A low fat high sugar diet is cornerstone of that. Keeps me razor lean and my red blood cells always have enough sugar to survive.

[@TFB-chris]

I commute with my road bike. In the morning I do it fastet and it just 11 km on a decent pace. In the afternoon, depending on the day (training day or not) I do my training on the way home. Maybe an intervall session or 50+ km zone 2 rides.

[@pieterjanvandermerwe3804]

Volume and consistency are probably the two biggest factors to increase performance. it would be much easier to add a 2nd ride on a given day than to lengthen the 1st for most people.

[@coreyreeder3549]

Correct. My lifestyle has narrow margins to fit in rides. If I want to get enough sleep, I would find it easier to add a second ride, at least on weekdays.

[@tomwagemans1872]

Cycling to and from work, has me feeling sore afterwards a lot harder than if I would do the same distance in one go.

[@Second247]

In Fast Talk podcast there was discussion of doing high intensity session first and within 6-8 hours to do lower intensity in their twice-a-day episode. As a result of high intensity, calcineurin was increased tenfold (or something like that), so in theory lower intensity ride after higher intensity ride should do the same as 5-6 hour long ride's last hour. Glycogen depletion might be irrelevant. They did wish more evidence for it, but it's promising finding. I actually do this and for me it has worked quite well. Feeling in exactly like last hour of long ride once muscle has been put under higher stress. Also my muscular endurance has increased way better this way as compared to doing long steady state rides. Caveat being that i'm intermediate cyclist but long history in endurance sports so my legs are not as good as aerobic endurance in general (also it doesn't help that i'm gym rat with big leg muscles), so exhausting my muscle first and then continuing with lighter load may hit muscular endurance better but not affect aerobic endurance as much. But that being my weakness i stick with it. Also i don't plan to do long races, just as Backwards Hat Dylan, i race on Zwift. So i don't need the experience of sitting in saddle for 5+ hours. I do ride long rides from time to time, but more for fun.

[@chucklesm2391]

Dang. Just when it gets cold and I am lucky to get out at all!

[@paultomlinson9259]

Aerobic exercise twice a day raises metabolism twice a day. Metabolism remains elevated after training for a couple of hours and so repeating this in a day is beneficial for weight loss / control.

[@michwoz]

The only reason I do that is because it helps me to accumulate more volume. Also I personally don't observe negative impact on performance during second workout if the first one was around 0.65 IF and max 2 hours.

[@franklevy709]

Have you thought about organizing your followers into your own 2 vs 1 study?

[@htukmumfie]

I followed the old cts gran fondo intermediate plan many times on strava. During midweek you would do say 4x9 overunders on tues followed by 4x6 hill reps on thursday......but then on saturday 4x9 overunders plus 2hrs at endurance in the same ride. The saturday ride was always a killer but i always felt great on the bike the week following this. I would say combining training rides is fine in the same ride if the two sessions complement eachother. Ie not two vo2 sessions for example.

[@sapinva]

Humans perform better in the morning and evening. Ideally you would have a morning workout, eat and sleep mid afternoon, then do a late afternoon workout (while being nearly as fresh as in the morning). Also skills are developed faster the more times per day a movement is repeated. Zero skill is needed to sit on a road bike for 6 hours, but for other disciplines, more sessions per day offers huge advantages. Two a day is pretty much the standard for track..

[@TrailBoundco]

so I guess the bigger question is whats the optimal amount of time to train per week? then figure out if we need to split that into 2 per day to hit that goal

[@burritosburritos]

I don't train, but I do bike commute. 9 mi to to work. 10 hour shift. Bike home. I don't eat or drink during this period. This is purely to optimize fat metabolism. What else could I be burning at the end of the work day going home. Not muscle.

[@richdomroski3219]

Have been incorporating gym workouts on off ride days, will try some on ride days also. Have definitely noticed better power from the weight tracker especially on hills.

[@ihzbc]

Omg we need to do this study !!!

[@jobjanssen360]

Hi Dylan, thanks for your video's they are very helpful. I was wondering if you could do a item on setting up training zones? In trainingpeaks there are a few options with more or less zones to train in. Thanks in advance Job

[@jillianeenriquez5568]

❤️❤️❤️ just started cycling on September this year hoping I can improve 🥰

[@wintergreene795]

What a very timing video. I wonder about this so much since I bike commute to work. Most of the time I'm tired even though I only go between zone 1 and 2 (mostly on zone 1.5ish). When I join local crit, I feel like I can hold on to the group but I feel like I have not enough power to go on a breakaway or chase a breakaway

[@philipk4475]

eat more, rest more, I guess

[@wintergreene795]

@@philipk4475 thanks. Life gets in the way though (kids, job, etc) but I try to rest as much as I can.

[@iancarson8614]

i thought the 2 a day idea was based on the signalling response. eg high intensity signal, then rest, then low intensity signal rather than a mix of the two.

[@JibbaJabber]

BHD, I need some more Hypergain Beastmode Raw Edition. Do have any in salted tears flavour? (You must have vanquished enough roadies by now!)

[@palicar]

I've recently experienced much worse DOMS than usual without changing much about my riding. WTF?

[@DurianriderCyclingTips]

High level athletes are typically using PED's. Ive been natty and not natty. The difference is INSANE in terms of recovery. Typicall those who train twice a day are eating too much fat and have to burn that dietary fat off via a twice a day schedule. The low fat eater wont have to do those junk miles. It can be all quality training.

[@christophe3358]

i do this in the summer twice a week, and find it very good, first ride 1 hour spin and later in the day I do an hour group ride and 45min to and from, i feel the spin in the morning gets all the crap out before the group ride.

[@gasolinewine801]

I lift in the morning and ride in the evening. Seems to be working fine for this old man. 😊

[@H.Richard]

I would computer 27km in the morning to work. Thenk 27km back home. On the way home I would always get smoked by guys well over 60 in their cycling gear and I couldn't use the excuse of having to cycle in the morning be the reason why I'm getting smoked. So I would push just to keep up and it worked. When Mondays came back after have 2 days of rest I felt how much faster I've gotten and wasn't feeling like I was suffocating trying to breath

[@chinmaysharma3992]

I was very interested in this kind of training for people with a regular job but are training very seriously for some for racing or like me college students. I am busy 9-4pm for college 5 days a week. My volume has to be capped at 15h/week max because there is simply not more available time in mornings. What I was thinking was possibly apart from regular morning rides. Adding a 1-1.5h indoor trainer session in the evening. Obviously increase the carb intake accordingly to the increased load and keeping my 2 gym session. It would let me break the 15h limit and potetially go to 18-20h/week. This is a good bump in training load. although case can be made for the effect of volume increase at this point to not be significant but as a competitive cyclist every single % increase matters and since dropping out and going pro is not on a card on my table. Later I will have to graduate and take up a normal 9-5 job as well. Maybe there is potential for those atheletes as well. like masters atheletes.

[@TalleyrandsPuppet]

Thanks Dylan!

[@joevdenne1930]

Dylan.....do a video on ice baths. Do they really help with recovery?

[@rodrimora]

I saw you do low bar squats? Wouldn't high bar squats be more beneficial as per more quad dominant movement? I guess hip would be less importante for cycling

[@YannickLB]

My opinion is that semi fasted rides don't create a higher performance as to max results. But it does offer a performance drop protection since it will delay the speed in wich I would bonk if I don't eat perfect on a longer ride. Wich will keep me on the bike longer in though situations.

[@gerrysecure5874]

With two workouts per day the sustainable average power is higher than doing one. So assuming you ride 1x4hrs @ 150W you could probably ride 2x2hrs @ 160W and still be in endurance zone for the whole time. I would guess the second would yield more performance up to 4 hrs, but longer events like 8hr marathon rides ? ... no clue.

[@jeremysweeten2792]

Hate to admit it - I used to commute and hr one-way to/from work (zone 2) and then doing TRoad plan. Very small gains. Last yr, I moved closer and now only commute 30mins total and do same TR plan. MUCH BIGGER JUMP in performance over 6month training block. So, for me. ONE PER DAY

[@viclevy]

Great video Dylan! Why is your saddle so far forward on the rails?

[@DanielJackson-tv6le]

There is a debate in my group. Which option would work better: rest in the middle of group for about 30 minutes to eat something or rest for 5 minutes to continue the ride? Are there any differences?

[@Tex735]

Dude, that Hyper Gain Beast Mode Raw Edition.... LMAO!!!

[@nickdowdall6472]

I think we need a study on optimal time between rides if a rider is going to do two-a-days and the experimenters need to measure both bio-chems and riding outcomes. If I am on a long ride and take a break longer than 2-3 minutes, my legs feel like tree trunks and it is very hard to get back into the ride. It seems like once "recovery" gets triggered, my body does not want to work again anytime soon. Anybody else have this effect?

[@johnjohnson6891]

Back in the day the biggest advantage I seemed to get for 2 a days was increased weight loss over just doing long endurance rides.n totally non scientific

[@DrSomhairle]

This does mean commuters who ride a lot can get the benefits of a single long ride even if they are splitting it into 2 though. I commute at least an hour each way per day so was wondering if this was as good as a 2 hr ride.

[@williamalvarado1419]

Let's do the research then. I'm willing to be a subject and help with the research

[@peteranderson6935]

Twice a day works for me. It's so horrible that I just have to win the target race in order to kick back and cease the torture. It's true, anecdotal but true. But if you make a habit of it I guess you just get tired. I wouldn't know; not strong enough to make a habit of it.

[@pl4free]

I'm pretty sure it's hurting me to train three times a day on some days: 2 x 19km for work, and then in the evenings training on road or TT...

[@syiridium703]

Pity there isn't more research on this. Also, these existing studies are essentially useless for "commuting style" training. I mean, unless I am doing something wrong, you typically don't go back from work after one or two hours but rather after eight+ hours. So it is closer to the "once-daily" group. And if I may add my anecdote to the mix, I find it harder to do 5 consecutive days a week a 2x20 minute efforts then split that time more evenly into say 3 rides. But, of course, that is just my personal experience and it would heavily depend on the conditions (e.g., I have average climbing grade of 1.1-1.2% on commute, compared to 0.8-1% on normal rides). And I have no idea what impact on my performance either mode has (but at least it has positive impact on the environment :) ).

[@JSBax]

"If you have high intensity intervals and weights scheduled on the same day..." ... sounds like you'll be wasting at least one, if not both of them!

[@bowsershark]

I commute for a 2 per day type of exercise. It has great benefits for core and all around body fitness. Going once a day does not return me to home.😬😯☺

[@jjjensen9493]

I do two a days when a race is at night like a crit. Shake out easy ride in the morning to ease my mind lol

[@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed]

Listen Young man everyone knows what i say is gold... i have proven the books were wrong 15 years ago Cycling changed exactly how i predicted it.... Weight training in cycling needs to be done in Micro steps a little at a time... Now you know

[@JN40214]

Yup... Still haven't seen a 5-hour race on Zwift.

[@FrekeOne]

Great info thanks!

[@BioStuff415]

faster or fitter? I have benefitted from 2x/day. The morning is 1-2hr spin - then 2 evening intense group rides per week. When I skipped the AM spin... it was rather obvious when I went from the front of the group to struggling on days I skipped the morning workout. Why? No clue. The other scheme is to train 4hr moderate to hard... eat lunch, then go out for a spin. The recovery is much better for me.

[@Cookefan59]

I wonder what this implies about the brick training that triathletes do regularly?

[@benanderson4639]

12:00 gravity oriented cyclist (downhill and enduro) benefit alot from having not only good cardiovascular fitness but also lots of core and upper body strength, and being a bit heavier.

[@JoshuaTootell]

Also aids in preventing injuries. Haven't dislocated my shoulder since I started adding mass up high with more strength, mostly though riding my Enduro.

[@paul9641]

sick thumbnail 👍

[@Oldmaite]

Trying to train for an ironman around harvest so i been doing 2-3hrs in morning then an hr or so intervals at night in leu of Saturday long ride. Hopefully it works!