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WILL Smith’s Book REVEALS Jada? You were right!

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It has been a very interesting exercise to compare Will Smith’s book “Will” to Jada Pinkett Smith’s book “Worthy”
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@bluediamond4502
@bluediamond4502 10 ай бұрын
It’s a bit rich that she accuses Will of wanting to destroy the family game on Christmas Eve but then proceeds to do it herself 💎🙏💕🐨
@dv7361
@dv7361 10 ай бұрын
Poor Will. She can’t even just let go and let him enjoy winning a family game. Can you imagine her letting him win at life?
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
I had the same thought 😂
@Disco1000
@Disco1000 10 ай бұрын
I can’t help wondering if Jada is a pretty faced Hollywood-level psychopath? So scary😮
@4quacker
@4quacker 10 ай бұрын
A narcissist’s #1 need is control … it fuels their every action
@twincherry4958
@twincherry4958 10 ай бұрын
With Jada, everything is a game, and she has to win. She told the laxy interviewer at one point that it's the only time she (the interviewer) had won.
@erineddy7999
@erineddy7999 10 ай бұрын
It appears she gets too much satisfaction watching him fail. IMO.
@voices_vary
@voices_vary 10 ай бұрын
Another great insight. Jada smacked a massive guilt trip on Will because she--herself--is hypercompetitive. She resents him and competes with psychological manipulation. Interesting that she had to publish a book two years after Will did. Run Will, run!!!
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Indeed…fast! 😂
@user-nw3xc2tk6y
@user-nw3xc2tk6y 10 ай бұрын
I suspect she's been 'threatening' to do a tell all for years - his response to her book was also v strange
@jeanne2583-w1n
@jeanne2583-w1n 10 ай бұрын
I know two women like this. One had me in her "thrall" for forty-two years and that was my sister. The other had me in her thrall for twenty years. She was supposedly my "friend." People like this don't have friends, they take emotional hostages. Their whole thing is first belittling one and making sure one thinks one is not good, not pretty, not smart, etc, etc. Funny how the women who made my life hell were not pretty (I am.) My "friend" knew I was emotionally vulnerable and played on my vulnerability. The only way to get away from them is to cut them out of one's life. If I have to, I still converse with them, but I am no longer vulnerable and they see it. Not as much fun to try to make another feel "lesser" if the person won't join in. I am very fortunate that I married a man who was good, kind, and smart. I have no idea how I made that perfect choice, as I was still in the women's thrall. But I did it and am so thrilled I did. I grew emotionally strong and began to see what these women were really doing. I have a brother who did the same, but more subtly. I was in his thrall for fifty-one years. I realize now that I never wanted him to be angry, because I knew he would, though he never said so, retract his "love." Well, he did that about twelve years ago when I stood up for myself. Haven't heard from him since, though I did write him an e-mail after he "Markled" me, the last line was, "You're not so hot yourself"(a line another sister used to someone, I don't remember who.) He tried to turn another sister against me by telling her every " secret" I had. By that point, I was "done" with the three of them. Yes, I have a large family, six girls, two boys. And, yes I am the youngest.
@jeanne2583-w1n
@jeanne2583-w1n 10 ай бұрын
I realized, I hadn't said this. Watching that woman was like watching my sister. Absolutely. Around our house, she is often referred to as "She whose name must not be mentioned."
@mario-qi3yw
@mario-qi3yw 10 ай бұрын
Will has been trained too well to ever leave this nasty woman.
@donnajarvis9542
@donnajarvis9542 10 ай бұрын
Jada wanted Will to look bad. She didn’t care about her children or that it was Christmas Eve. She wanted to be the “good one”.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes!
@Disco1000
@Disco1000 10 ай бұрын
This makes me feel ill. Horrid person she must be. So sad and worrying really 👀
@user-nw3xc2tk6y
@user-nw3xc2tk6y 10 ай бұрын
Exactly, the injured one at their father's hand
@TydrickG-fh3tn
@TydrickG-fh3tn 10 ай бұрын
Narcissism 101 🫤
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
READ HIS BOOK....AND HERS
@heatheralice89
@heatheralice89 10 ай бұрын
Jada sounds tiresome to be around in this situation. If the roles were reversed, I don't think she would have a problem beating Will in front of the kids on Xmas Eve.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
I suspect you are right!
@andrewstorm8240
@andrewstorm8240 10 ай бұрын
And she would have told everyone she did
@williamj.dovejr.8613
@williamj.dovejr.8613 10 ай бұрын
My ex wife was like that, trash talk to the extreme and lording the win over you to the point it's just cringe...I finally said, " You what is worse than a sore loser? It's a bad winner! " She got the hint but kept doing it, so I only played rpg's which I knew she wasn't interested in and it was less stress for me. She was a competitive spouse in everything, it became exhausting.
@laurenecarter246
@laurenecarter246 10 ай бұрын
This also reminds me of when Will went all out to organise Jada a birthday party and she got angry at him because it was all about patting himself on the back and how he was the "great guy" for being so wonderful to his wife and organising the party...🤨 I mean "whutt??" Why couldn't she have just been grateful and been happy for what he did for her?? She is manipulative and self absorbed.
@queenM15
@queenM15 10 ай бұрын
I agree and was horrified at her ungrateful response, she cuts Will down at every opportunity
@EEmB
@EEmB 10 ай бұрын
omg yes!! That was heartbreaking. She is so abusive.
@Lisajed
@Lisajed 10 ай бұрын
She made will go around and apologize to everyone personally for putting on such a lavish birthday party😮😮 who does that to their husband?
@sew161
@sew161 10 ай бұрын
That's when I saw through her
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
BECAUSE WHEN YOU ASK SOMEONE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR THEIR BDAY AND THEY SAY, A QUIET EVENING WITH YOU AND THE KIDS.....YOU DONT GO THROW THE BASH YOU WANT! HE GAVE HER WHAT " HE" WANTED HER TO HAVE! SAME WITH THE HOUSE. HE SAID CHOOSE. SHE CHOSE...HE BOUGHT THE ONE SHE DIDNT WANT....ITS ABOUT WHAT WILL WANTS. SHE WAS JUST SUPPOSED TO FEEL UNHEARD AND BE HAPPY! ARE YOU SERIOUS??!
@nicolebutland3679
@nicolebutland3679 10 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness! This seemingly ‘small’ story adds a whole new perspective on ‘the slap’ doesn’t it?! Great insight as always Shauna! Very passive aggressive behaviour. It seems to me Will is possibly highly codependent and seeks Jadas approval to fill his self worth cup, if you will. It sounds like he was in the moment having fun and she used it to throw him off guard - a common tactic used by narcissists. Very sad!
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
It does seem like that…it’s the little moments but often.
@nicolebutland3679
@nicolebutland3679 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. Death by a thousand cuts, so to speak. It’s like the story of a circus elephant chained to a peg in the ground. Of course the elephant can break the peg/chain and escape but because they were conditioned, they will stay put. Emotional manipulation is pure abuse!!
@voices_vary
@voices_vary 10 ай бұрын
Passive aggressive. Nailed it!
@MariaCordi
@MariaCordi 10 ай бұрын
Listening to Jada talk is exhausting. I would be second guessing all the time. If Will changed his actions in the game, she was likely to have said something to belittle him anyway. She enjoys tearing him down.
@voices_vary
@voices_vary 10 ай бұрын
Yes, I notice that she never really talks about how much she basically loves or admires him. Without that, there's no real love relationship. It's just a game of chess.@@MariaCordi
@susie2366
@susie2366 10 ай бұрын
The fact that Will feels guilty afterward and remorseful enough to include that story in his book means that she won the game after all.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 9 ай бұрын
Very true!
@donnastjules8157
@donnastjules8157 10 ай бұрын
She has had 25 years of messing with him. She is nasty and is all about control through manipulation. She even manipulated you with her book. The fact that she was willing to become a master drug dealer despite the pain drugs had caused her and her family tells me that all she cares about is herself! This latest story is yet another example. She didn't for one minute think about her husband, her family or Christmas.
@Maria-qh5hr
@Maria-qh5hr 10 ай бұрын
Well she was a teenager living in a touch drug infested neighborhood. She learn her lesson when someone almost killed her. She changed her life path and went into the entertainment field. Lots of celebrities coming from the "hood" have gang, drugs or family associated trauma stories.
@gremlin5622
@gremlin5622 10 ай бұрын
Premeditated? Seems Jada planned to ruin Christmas Eve for her family. She planned the evening. Knowing Will's competitiveness she'd be almost certain how it would go. She set the stage, everyone played their parts then she sucked the air out of the room and made her dramatic exit. She used them all with no regard for the impact on them. Imagine the coldness of the woman waiting to make her move whilst the rest of them are enjoying the moment unaware of her intention. So creepy. *** Or maybe the plan formed as the game went on. Her resentment grew as she noticed in competition they were equal and independent of her. But she NEEDS them hooked into her. So she broke it up to be the central focus again. Their attention and emotions would be on her - guilt, hurt, anger at Will, and maybe repressed anger at Jada. Bonus for Jada: No sugarplums - only Jada would be dancing in the kids heads Christmas Eve. Anticipation for Christmas morning would be "Is Mum ok. How can we make today more special for her". Jada took top place over Jesus, Charlie Brown, Santa, gifts and food. As she thinks she deserves.
@rebekahdavis5935
@rebekahdavis5935 10 ай бұрын
Yes well said. She hijacked the entire family and they probably were trying to feed her emotionally the next day because of it. It would be like walking on eggshells around her. I think their kids have learned to just shut off and agree with whatever mommy says. What a miserable woman.
@wendieking4184
@wendieking4184 10 ай бұрын
Because she’s ‘worthy’. 🙄
@rr1621
@rr1621 10 ай бұрын
She was probably purposely losing the whole time. She wasnt even trying
@lovingukobe24
@lovingukobe24 9 ай бұрын
Jada is not a happy person. There is nothing that Will can say or do to make her happy. If Tupac were still alive, she still wouldn’t be happy. Happiness comes from within. Once you base your happiness on someone else, it is bound to not end well.🤷🏽‍♀️
@dianeshelton9592
@dianeshelton9592 9 ай бұрын
She was a bad looser, hell yes we are extremely competitive over family games
@robtooley4002
@robtooley4002 10 ай бұрын
What a lovely Christmas gift it would have been if Jada had celebrated her husband's expertise in front of the children. "Honey, you absolutely could have gone pro. You play and awesome game." She could have even patted herself on the back "Kids, you know your father is a phenomenal player to have take me out, because Im good at this game." She could have built him up at something he's proud about in front of their kids. She could have shown the kids that couples support and appreciate each other's strengths. And she could have encouraged her kids to try to beat him and to learn from him. That woman has no love for her husband. It's ALL a competition to her. It seems the more successful he is - whether in his career or in a game- the harder she works to tear him down.
@peekaboots01
@peekaboots01 10 ай бұрын
And he simply cannot see it. I'm not even a Will Smith fan but it's frustrating to witness. He planned a party for her for three years, she put him down for it. He had a home built for her, she put him down for it. He can't win her love and respect ever, no matter how grand the gesture. Yet he tells her and the world how proud he is of her and how there is absolutely nothing she can ever do that will stop his love for her.
@epifan3_
@epifan3_ 10 ай бұрын
You both have made such solid points. And it’s really sad to read. I’m not invested into at all. But this made me sad to read. 😢
@AbigailLamb
@AbigailLamb 10 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. The sort of manipulation that someone like Jada practices is always going to be subtle and it is by looking at the detail that it becomes apparent. It is clever manipulation that left Will believing that he was in the wrong even though he was just playing in the spirit that many families would play in.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes he would have to second guess himself about everything!
@user-nw3xc2tk6y
@user-nw3xc2tk6y 10 ай бұрын
completely, it was not wrong of him in any way, v interesting that in his retelling he believes he was.
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
Wrong! Its Will realizing that he went overboard and extra...probably smack talking the whole game...just like he had to mention how intent a player he is and how he studied with the masters etc....whos bragging here? Will!
@GardeniaBlossoms_
@GardeniaBlossoms_ 10 ай бұрын
@@Parker3Curry30but after all those years she knows her mate. When she suggested the game she knew she would awaken the competitiveness in him since Monopoly was something he actually studied. He did nothing wrong, he behaved naturally. People are ruthless when they play Spades lol. Jada was a sore loser through and through. Who cares about losing a game that’s solely in place for some holiday family time….
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
@@GardeniaBlossoms_ you're missing the point. This is Will telling this from his perspective. Its in his book. He is reflecting on himself and things he's done that he could or should have handled differently and he didn't because he had to win. He is why he's feeling guilty it wasn't Jada. Yall really need to read his book. Hes talking about his insecurities and self esteem tha stems from his childhood. How he d loved his Dad but vowed to never be anything like him....but admits that he has hurt or failed every woman hes's loved including his mom. He wasn't complaining that she left. He knew she let him have the win instead of getting into an argument she just left so not to ruin the game for the others.
@carndt2911
@carndt2911 10 ай бұрын
Jada turned the game into something personal as a tactic to not lose. What surprises me is that Will fell for it after she left the game. Will had nothing to feel bad about. That is the fun of the game, It's called 'Sore Loser'. The reveal Will makes is the dynamic and how he falls for her manipulation.
@peekaboots01
@peekaboots01 10 ай бұрын
Exactly. I wonder if he has any siblings or friends that could care enough to see it and try to get through to him, but I guess it would have happened by now.
@Loobylooto2
@Loobylooto2 10 ай бұрын
My grandson used to cry and carry on whenever we played the usual childhood games I had to explain that he has to learn how to lose before he could learn how to win .... I would have been heartless to not allow him to win once or twice but the emphasis was how to lose graciously and congratulate the winner - until he mastered which ever game we were playing and could then easily win me He loved the winning part 🎉❤
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes when they are little it’s gradual…(you sound like a lovely Grandma) 💕
@Loobylooto2
@Loobylooto2 10 ай бұрын
@@thevintageread I sure do try ! My granddaughter said that I’ve been a great grandma and how would I feel about becoming a great great grandma ........it took me a minute to realise she was telling me she was pregnant ❤❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂👵🏻👵🏻👵🏻👵🏻👵🏻👵🏻 Edit to add: I’m blessed that my 13 yr old grandson says Friday is his favourite day of the week as it’s the end of school week and he comes to my house till Saturday evening Love those kids so much ❤
@janodonnell3818
@janodonnell3818 10 ай бұрын
JPS is so dang exhausting! Even a family game becomes a slog. This goes beyond teaching how to win and lose gracefully-her behavior in this story illustrates how to drive wedges between people -how to wound a family. In this story, she intentionally keeps everyone under heel. Emotionally crushing.
@janscott7565
@janscott7565 10 ай бұрын
Yes!
@3kidmama
@3kidmama 10 ай бұрын
And she twists the knife in on ALL of them by heading off to bed! Why not stay there and continue to enjoy WATCHING the game she planned for their family celebration??? The point of monopoly is to bankrupt players and be the last wealthy one standing - truly toxic behavior for a parent and it obviously created bad memories for what should have been a special, happy family celebration. Yikes!
@qhluvr77
@qhluvr77 10 ай бұрын
Yes!
@jcmhanel1
@jcmhanel1 10 ай бұрын
I wish I were as eloquent as you! You spelled it out!
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
​@@3kidmamabecause she chose not to! She didn't have to! Did the kids complain? Then nothing was ruined. Wills guilt is his own!
@susanmilos6251
@susanmilos6251 10 ай бұрын
Shauna you had the correct read on Jada’s/Will’s behaviors. Anyone that’s been manipulated for yrs/decades can’t see the forest for the trees 😞
@cassandraashley9072
@cassandraashley9072 10 ай бұрын
I agree it was a massive passive aggressive manipulation of Will. She punished him for playing and winning the game she knew he was a master at playing. What a nasty trick on Christmas Eve in front of your children.
@kayedillon3688
@kayedillon3688 10 ай бұрын
Jada is manipulative. Doesn't mean will is good or not. Will was playing the game and she made the game about his treatment of her.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes I agree!
@Kooka506
@Kooka506 10 ай бұрын
My husband and I are really competitive in games and so are our grown up kids. That's what makes it fun! I'm with you only I'd probably team up with one of the kids and smash him. You're right, that's how kids learn.
@maureenjones7935
@maureenjones7935 10 ай бұрын
It was Christmas Eve, Jada SHOULD have stayed with the rest of the family. Her withdrawal was a punishment for Will for ignoring her warning, but what about the children? A pat on the head or a caress is nice but I agree with you Shona, most mums including myself, would have made a joke and either paired up with Will or maybe wandered off to make snacks, she had a total disregard for the feelings of any of her family. In my opinion, Will did nothing wrong.
@jswjanjan
@jswjanjan 10 ай бұрын
If you've been manipulated by a narcissist you saw Jada coming from a mile away. Her cold, reptilian blameshifting and gaslighting have always given me the creeps.
@sonja7halcyon
@sonja7halcyon 10 ай бұрын
She picks at all of his traits as if there is something negative about them all, undermining his core sense of self (classic narc tactic). She flips the script and blame-shifts, making Will look worse. She portrays herself as the moral superior to Will.
@sandyhart1028
@sandyhart1028 10 ай бұрын
Your reaction to loosing is exactly how it would go down in our house! It’s our job to teach our children how to win & lose in life to our best ability.
@janscott7565
@janscott7565 10 ай бұрын
Hello Shauna! To my mind, Jada is playing the martyr. Having given Will the rope, well aware he is an avid and expert player and that she will get hammered in the game, she proceeds to make him look like a mean spirited executioner in front of the kids, kissing them and going to her dignified end. What a drama queen! Mind games for the whole family. I don't like those sort of people.
@user-nw3xc2tk6y
@user-nw3xc2tk6y 10 ай бұрын
Great discription!
@roseharvey2664
@roseharvey2664 10 ай бұрын
That is her MO. He was supposed to defer to her and basically let her have her own way, or else he would know all about it. Imagine if all board games were played in that way, gee what fun that would be. She wasn't just playing monopoly - unlike the rest of the family.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
I agree!
@barbraluce5706
@barbraluce5706 10 ай бұрын
JPS selected the game for Christmas Eve family time knowing it waa highly unlikely she would win the game but realizing that, at some point, she could put Will on a guilt trip. She knows how to inject the poison and she has since her early teen years.
@EEmB
@EEmB 10 ай бұрын
This!
@MH-oq9og
@MH-oq9og 10 ай бұрын
I’ve listened to H G Tudor’s analysis of Jada PS. She is a mid range Narcissist and this is one of the many examples of her behaviour showing how accurate HG is. Will is a victim of narcissistic abuse, this story exemplifies how abused Will is.
@leandabee
@leandabee 10 ай бұрын
Mr. T is fascinating isn't he 🤗
@donnaharris4420
@donnaharris4420 10 ай бұрын
@@leandabee Shauna did a piece on HG as well on this site.
@leandabee
@leandabee 10 ай бұрын
@@donnaharris4420 she did indeed,😊
@rebekahdavis5935
@rebekahdavis5935 10 ай бұрын
Will seems highly codependent
@BuntyMcB
@BuntyMcB 10 ай бұрын
I think she used the opportunity to cut him down to size - he was having far too much fun. Toxic people will often tell you exactly what they’re going to do by accusing you of the very same thing - her ‘spoiler alert’ projected onto him what she was going to do leaving him feeling guilty and her very satisfied. Sad thing is, it would make him think twice about doing it again and that, I think, was her intention.
@TruthTalkTarot
@TruthTalkTarot 10 ай бұрын
For sure! And being the toxic narcissist she is, she projected that she wasn't *just* going to spoil the game -- she was also going to blame her actions on him for "making" her do it.
@megsho1125
@megsho1125 10 ай бұрын
Jada is simply a manipulative narcissist who needs to make Will feel bad about her. For her, this fuels her narcissism. If I were Will, I would run for the hills as she's making him doubt everything about himself.
@gretaferebee3179
@gretaferebee3179 10 ай бұрын
My Grandmother was one of six sisters who all became schoolteachers. Her son, my father and my uncle were both psychiatrists. The family game when we all got together was scabble, and the competition was always ruthless. No mercy.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
😂💕 Sounds like happy memories!
@HuskyMama1009
@HuskyMama1009 9 ай бұрын
We loved that game!! As I got older no one would play word games with me, cuz I won those. Other games were wonderfully competitive, lotsa laughing and teasing
@fionataylor4269
@fionataylor4269 10 ай бұрын
Jada has FINALLY been exposed. Love your analysis. Narcs have to win/manipulate EVERYTHING ! Narcissists are pathetic and cruel.
@scotcrazy
@scotcrazy 10 ай бұрын
Most people don't bother to take another moment and see a situation in different light. Your initial response to the story was "knee jerk". But upon thought, a greater message was discovered. I believe that's how the Harkles have fooled the press and the sugars. No one bothers to do any deeper thinking. I always happy to receive a notification from you. A smiling face and a giggle are always welcome in my world.😊
@alyciaingalls6004
@alyciaingalls6004 10 ай бұрын
Man.. she has really done a number on his head. Systematic take down of a successful husband using his desire to be a good husband, father, and man. He can do no right without her permission and total submission to her. I hope he finally gets deprogrammed.
@zomerkoningin
@zomerkoningin 10 ай бұрын
I feel she trapped him into this, and then tried to "destroy" him by acting as if he was the bad guy.
@user-bm7en1lh8d
@user-bm7en1lh8d 10 ай бұрын
Ive never let my kids win either. Its character building and definitely teaches them how to lose with grace.
@epifan3_
@epifan3_ 10 ай бұрын
Lmao this is so try yet hilarious!
@No1YanniLover
@No1YanniLover 10 ай бұрын
Because this story is included in Will's book i have to conclude Will felt that he actually "lost" even though he may have won. Jada made him feel like a loser just like whwn he slapped Chris to show her and the world he will defend her honor. But even after that huge and embarrassing gesture Jada doesnt show any supporr or gratitude to Will. Instead her going ovee to Will's side after her losing at the Monopoly game she leaves the room letting Will know, yet again, that although he won he has still lost in her eyes.
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
HE felt guilty because he turned the game into a Will show. It was a turn off. I don't her. Just be Dad and honey at home. He's even bragging about studying with master players! Smack talking the whole game.
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
Thats not why he slapped Chris. Like she said...that was because of some 1984 beef Chris and Will has had and it was on going. Why dont u know this by now?
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
Lol what a Joke!She did show support realizing something was going wrong with Will and all the yelling at Chris. Sh
@Parker3Curry30
@Parker3Curry30 10 ай бұрын
She was shocked he was calling her his WIFE because they didn't refer to eachother as husband and wife since the 7 yr separation. They were barely friends. She was invited there as family, not as his Wife!
@lyndaenglish4753
@lyndaenglish4753 10 ай бұрын
Only Jada would turn a family game night (Christmas Eve of all nights) into a lesson in morality for her husband. HER HUSBAND! The man in her family. She's spends so much time trying to make him look bad, but it only makes her look more petty than we already thought. I've never been a fan of hers, and I become less and less willing to overlook her arrogance and rude ignorance. Why Will doesn't just 'kick her to the curb' (figuratively) is beyond me. She may come across as manipulative beoch, but he accepts her behavior and makes himself look like an errant child waiting for his punishment, which of course, he deserves. Kind of sick on both parts if you ask me. I hope they stay together. No point in putting 2 more potential partners in peril. They've already messed with the psyche of their own children, don't put any others in their path. The whole world is emotionally and mentally safer while these two are together.
@erineddy7999
@erineddy7999 10 ай бұрын
Unless one is the victim of some pretty sneaky brainwashing. Both are at fault for their own behavior but only one of them is a narcissist. IMO.
@bthe1doright462
@bthe1doright462 10 ай бұрын
Excellent and Brilliant Observation - They have been misusing and abusing their relationship / each other for so long. You are right - - if they can't get right they should stay miserably together and leave everyone else out of it.
@Happinc
@Happinc 10 ай бұрын
Good point! Wholeheartedly agree & the same goes for Markle her Hapless Husband! Stay together in plain sight & continue to show the world what toxic relationships really do!! 🤩
@jlennon1779
@jlennon1779 10 ай бұрын
Except she, at least, does have other partners. No potential about it
@Geewhizzy
@Geewhizzy 10 ай бұрын
Good point. But there are so many more like her damaging people all over the society!
@Loobylooto2
@Loobylooto2 10 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness I just bought wills book for £1.99 at my brilliant charity book shop!!! I didn’t see it is a supposed self help book till it was too late! With hindsight he couldn’t teach me a blessed thing I’ll be watching and waiting for this post 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
It does have a very interesting story in it! 😉
@Loobylooto2
@Loobylooto2 10 ай бұрын
You always give me a new perspective so I’m gonna go with your flow n listen carefully 😅❤
@EEmB
@EEmB 10 ай бұрын
Shauna, you nailed it. I can comment on only this situation, but even if I look at this pretending this is totally unknown people to me, I would have found this highly manipulative by Jada and something from a narcissists playbook.
@SydneyClearCognitive
@SydneyClearCognitive 10 ай бұрын
Will should feel ok to beat everyone in a competitive game ! it's a GAME for God's sake !... I always win at scrabbles with my kids. but always lose at Monopoli.... but the fun creates family bonding not break-ups or hard feelings.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes!
@palevixen666
@palevixen666 10 ай бұрын
I’ve discussed this ad nauseam with many people. She has a loaded grin. It’s in her eyes. It’s quite apparent. Even with her chershire-like grin. There seems to be malice in her eyes. As though she enjoys the cruelty. There is a darkness which I have personally encountered with narcissists who think the are clever and getting one over on another. When I have called them out they become the victim and gaslight. Showing how pathetic that behaviour truly is. They cannot bear appearing weak or at fault. Reminds me of the Oscars. The joke was made, Will and everyone, except Jada laughed. She had a strained grimace/grin with a substantial eye roll. Tense body and hand clasping. Then moments later Will committed violence. I can only imagine that his anger may not have been that but perhaps the knowledge that if he did nothing his life would have become even more of a misery in the time that followed in his relationship with her. I don’t think he was protecting her but himself from the fallout of his own reaction to the joke.
@hulkman1971
@hulkman1971 10 ай бұрын
I think you're 100% right. Even then, on Christmas Eve , with the whole family playing a game, she's manipulative , making him feel like crap just for being himself . I do feel bad for Will , she must have something in him for him to keep on taking her abuse.
@MrS-pe6sd
@MrS-pe6sd 10 ай бұрын
I have thought for a while that Jada’s biggest issue is jealousy of Will. Competition kills a relationship
@danams4166
@danams4166 10 ай бұрын
I do agree that this scene is very telling. While you were laying out the details, and got to the part where she lost, I automatically thought “oh, I’d grab more snacks for everyone and choose someone to root for”. Everything has to be about her. She actually went to bed because she lost at Monopoly…🤦🏾‍♀️
@louleg23
@louleg23 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely! I'd do the same thing - have a mock rant at his evil genius, top-up snacks then team up as advisor to whoever was now losing. Or... just sit back and watch and enjoy the interactions between my family playing a game on Xmas Eve - but I can't see Jada enjoying something she wasn't central to, tbh.
@carmay3600
@carmay3600 10 ай бұрын
@louleg23 lol I usually try to help one of our children. My husband usually says “oooohhh look at mommy cheatin!!” 😜
@louleg23
@louleg23 10 ай бұрын
@@carmay3600 😄
@jeanieandersoncarpenter9127
@jeanieandersoncarpenter9127 10 ай бұрын
I am not into competitive games because my dad would make me feel sad and manipulate me into selling him my properties when I was too young to understand the game fully. When my own husband and grown kids want to play, I typically do a project of my own but stay close to enjoy their company. She could have picked up a book. I do understand being sensitive to competition. It would have been nice for her to have stayed close, too.
@paige-vt8fn
@paige-vt8fn 10 ай бұрын
I find this very interesting and you raise a really great point, for everyone to consider. I was a huge daddy's girl. I ALWAYS tried so hard to impress my dad and make him proud. I remember him telling me stories of how athletic he was and how fast he ran in highschool. He was 46 years older than me and by the time i was a twelve year old preteen, i challenged my dad to a foot race. And even though he was almost 60 years old, he beat me. My mother still argues that it was mean that he never let me win, but i am so very grateful that he didn't let me win because that's real life. I have a realistic view on life and a thick skin. One day, when i was older, and he was of course even older, i finally won at that last foot race but i am so grateful to my dad for how he raised me and his wisdom. He was too, a master at Monopoly..... lol! Rest in peace, Dad, i love you so much and will forever! 💜 ♾️ 🙏 ❤
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
💕💕💕
@janahutchins4684
@janahutchins4684 10 ай бұрын
I remember seeing them together on E News when they first got married. They were very full of themselves and IMO unrealistic about marriage and children. Constant gum flapping about how they were going to have the perfect "whatever". Her beauty was diminished by her aggressive need for control and he played the suffering husband. Then the kids came. We had to hear ad nauseam about all their wonderfulness while stroking their own ego's about what great parents they were. IMO they are both personality disorders and I'm sick to the back teeth about them. I basically forgot who they were until Will acted out at the Oscars. You provided information about Jada's early life that I was very impressed with. She really did accomplish a lot in her youth, which probably has helped her endure the years of actual boredom with Will.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Loved your last sentence! Ouch! 😂💕
@bearessentials4383
@bearessentials4383 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you, they both have issues. Imagine playing a board game with someone who shouts and screams. The exhaustion.
@dawnjohnson5937
@dawnjohnson5937 10 ай бұрын
Yes, Shauna highlighted admirable aspects of Jada's early life. But if she got bored with Will, she could have just left - no? No need to tear a person down to try and feel better about yourself.
@evam2144
@evam2144 10 ай бұрын
She knew he was good at monopoly and competitive....she could have chosen another activity....
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes a setup, however I think the kids were enjoying it until she made a thing out of it…
@KK-rj7ij
@KK-rj7ij 10 ай бұрын
Because Jada's game is not "how can I win this game?", it's "how much power do I have over the winner"
@rebeccacanlas1328
@rebeccacanlas1328 10 ай бұрын
Jada is a woman who CAN control people around her, like husband, children, mother & friends.
@brendastajkowski502
@brendastajkowski502 10 ай бұрын
Bravo. You are putting these videos out faster than I can keep up. Thanks for all your efforts and your sense of humour!!!
@klmjtr
@klmjtr 10 ай бұрын
Wow! How f’d up is Jada? Can u imagine doing that in front of your children especially?! Shauna I totally agree with how u would have handled the situation if u had lost. I was thinking exactly what you said! 🍿🍿🍿
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Exactly!!
@PamsMountainGarden
@PamsMountainGarden 10 ай бұрын
She started that game thinking, “I can’t beat him at this game but I can suck the joy out of it for him. Bwahahahaha.” Lovely woman.
@dawnjohnson5937
@dawnjohnson5937 10 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏👏 YOU ARE GOOD!!!!! And you've done it again 👏👏👏👏!!! I was horrified when primary schools (in the UK) introduced "non-competitive" sports days, and the kids who didn't win got participation badges & awards. Really??!! I'm with you - ALL children need to experience winning/ doing well (you often found that the kids that did well in sports were not particularly academic. So this was where they could experience success). I'm with you - children need to learn how to win well. With grace. I'm with you - children need to learn how to lose because this builds resilience and equips them for real life. I love, love, LOVE your take on how you would have handled the family Monopoly game; that sounds loving and inclusive. Jada removing herself from the game in that way felt awful. It did not feel like she really wanted to be with her family - if it wasn't exactly on her terms. It didn't sound like she cared about continuing to make the evening (Christmas Eve) a special time, even for her children. Sad.
@erineddy7999
@erineddy7999 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you. I would go on to say that many problems in society today are the result of not teaching children how to be gracious in winning and in losing, and excusing bad behavior with saying the child is “special”. All children are special. Let their talents and gifts shine. Challenge inspires skill and creativity. IMO.
@tammyfrancis7856
@tammyfrancis7856 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you, this story tells us quite a bit about Jada’s character, or reinforces what we already know.
@geefull
@geefull 10 ай бұрын
Thank you Shauna for that 'catch', that one revealing little snippet makes me want to re-evaluate any other information JPS has put out there, rather in the mould of most of MM's 'truth', it's all very plausible until you look closely. Complete lack of scruples by the look and feel of it.
@carolwilliams3
@carolwilliams3 10 ай бұрын
By "letting" them win means they already lost. Letting connotes power over others. Winning is not about letting. It is about earning. Otherwise, it breeds entitlement, short term gratification and lack of resilience, as well as honor that comes from being a good winner and loser.
@aedynbrooks6900
@aedynbrooks6900 10 ай бұрын
It really showcases Jada's expectations of Will. That he must put her on the pedestal and never hurt her under any circumstance, even a family board game. What she demonstrated to her children was that Will's never going to have their back. That the best way to handle hurtful situations is to retreat and lick their wounds. (BIG EYE ROLL) It's a game for Pete's sake. Have fun.
@textrue9088
@textrue9088 10 ай бұрын
My mother never let me win checkers, so when I did win, I was very happy. I surprised to see that mom seemed happy too..
@charlottedog5232
@charlottedog5232 10 ай бұрын
Yes. That is an example of Jada's control/manipulation. She had to correct him because she's the wise one and he needs to learn to be a better person. Put him down so he knows he's under her and also show the kids who's the best so as to keep them on her side but also to teach them not to go against her either. It is abusive to the whole family.
@dearbh1736
@dearbh1736 10 ай бұрын
This is an excellent point, very well explained. I could see this scenario playing out before my eyes with Jada somehow turning a potentially joyous family game into something miserable, all about her and squarely placing Will as the villain at the centre who 'ruined' a lovely evening. She is masterful at this particular form of manipulation, projecting blame and deflecting. It is not surprising that people do not warm to her.
@P.willow
@P.willow 10 ай бұрын
How on earth did he ever see kindness, compassion, or even a nice person in this woman. I'd feel constantly deflated by this lifetime of behaviours. Its terrible to watch a man be treated like this.
@thevantuyls
@thevantuyls 9 ай бұрын
Wow! This explains everything. I grew up with a Mom that would ruin every holiday or event in our family. I think during those big moments she was not the center of attention and she lost control. Jada has ruined every big moment in poor Wills life.
@trayccox8223
@trayccox8223 9 ай бұрын
See HG Tudor for analysis of your mother x
@starrycrown
@starrycrown 10 ай бұрын
Jada set up the ending by suggesting they all play the game in the first place. Classic!
@julieb8348
@julieb8348 10 ай бұрын
He is the big star and she wants to humble him every chance she gets and in the process show him that HER priorities are in the right order.
@lulajoemom98
@lulajoemom98 10 ай бұрын
Undermining your spouse in front of children is an attempt at getting them on your side. Shaming a spouse too is an attempt at control. Then to punish EVERYONE by going to bed. In his punishment Will cared. That is amazing, because after being married so long manipulation becomes old and tired. But he still cared.
@suzannebrown945
@suzannebrown945 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@critchie
@critchie 10 ай бұрын
Wow. She set him up to be the bad guy, and for her to be the victim. She won the REAL game that she was playing. “Will is a BAD man, a bad husband, a bad Father.” He believes her true lies, because it seems “plausible”… he did in fact “take down the wife and mother of his children on Xmas eve” right? And now has to “make it up to her injured self.” He calls this relationship “bruteiful”… brutal and beautiful… he has no idea what he’s dealing with. He thinks she’s on his side. She’s not. He believes her at face value, while she’s conning and punking him… She’s gonna win that game and take him down. This poor guy doesn’t know what end is up, his brain is so scrambled.
@user-jd1st2en8e
@user-jd1st2en8e 10 ай бұрын
I think you hit the nail right on the head it seem like Will is the only one who can't see it just like when he threw her that big B-day party she turns every thing he does into something bad I hate to see someone being hurt especially when it's the person you love
@bettydillingham1498
@bettydillingham1498 10 ай бұрын
Interesting analysis as always. Unfortunately, I’m so sick and tired of the Hollywood celebrities to whom we pay way too much attention. Don’t misunderstand, Shauna, I’m not faulting you for the topic because you always have little nuggets of information that are worth discussing. I just wish the Jada and Will show would vanish, sooner than later. ❤️
@erineddy7999
@erineddy7999 10 ай бұрын
There are many “shows” that need to be “cancelled” out there. There are very few role models in Hollywood and even less talent. IMO.
@VoxUrania
@VoxUrania 10 ай бұрын
My father was a true gentleman and sportsman. He was so congenial and a wonderful role model. He taught me numbers, counting and adding with cards. He bought my first baseball glove and taught me to catch. He spent hours helping me on my bicycle, both riding and repairing. My grandfather was a champion cribbage player, and sat patiently with me going over the rules and improving my skills. And they didn’t “let me win” but created some great learning experiences. My Mother was also a witty and congenial card partner. These pastimes followed them, along with their friends, into their 90’s. I think parents do have to be consistent in their values around sports and competition. Children get confused otherwise. Ironically, ego can’t really be the focus. I think both Jada and Will Smith are a product of their industry, and a cautionary tale about professional deformation. If we ignore the context, we might miss this other aspect as well.
@Annie-yv7rc
@Annie-yv7rc 10 ай бұрын
As children the four of us would play monopoly on rainy days all day. When my younger brother lost the whole board went up in the air. We still laugh about it 60+ years on. It’s about memories
@virgiernelson4492
@virgiernelson4492 10 ай бұрын
Can they ever just enjoy one another? It's as if there is always a hidden agenda of besting the other. Great analysis, Shauna!
@constantina7396
@constantina7396 10 ай бұрын
JADA is the one who chose the game knowing what a good strategic player Will was. It’s like she knew he would be competitive and wanted to create a situation where she could chastise him and make him look like the bad guy in front of the kids. She makes it sound like Will beating her at Monopoly on Xmas Eve is just the worst thing he could do to his family. She is so manipulative.
@suzannebrown945
@suzannebrown945 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely
@flowermeerkat6827
@flowermeerkat6827 10 ай бұрын
I had no idea that there was such a thing as a professional Monoply player! My husband is really competative so I usually don't play any game with him but our kids are all competative and really enjoy it. I'll play with the kids but not the husband unless it's Clue. I can hold my own there! ;-0 I think Jada was being a drama queen. If you don't want your butt beat by your husband in a game where he's an expert, don't play it! Read a book or enjoy watching your kids play him. She sounds like a sore loser.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Yes! They play in Vegas for millions of dollars evidently!
@cindyknudson2715
@cindyknudson2715 10 ай бұрын
She picked the GAME! *Knowing* he is a Monopoly aficionado!
@amalali504
@amalali504 10 ай бұрын
Jada if nothing else has shown how controlling she can be and passive aggressive when she doesn't get her way. She prioritised that over the fun the other 4 were having and it was her who cut it short based on the synopsis you gave.
@heatheralice89
@heatheralice89 10 ай бұрын
Hi Shauna, Sorry just joined now. Just got home from work. Love the Jada Pinkett Smith content.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for coming
@denisadellinger4543
@denisadellinger4543 10 ай бұрын
You make a good point but at the time, people react as they naturally would that is in their nature to react. Jada made Will feel guilty about winning, which she knew he would. I think the game went just as it naturally should have. It's not in Jada's nature to let things go and think of alternate ways to react. She is right on emotion and emotionally manipulative. When she speaks, she has gone over in her head just exactly she wants to say. Her words are carefully placed and the speech patterns have rising and lilting words for emphasis. She's an actor and uses her skill to perfection.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Good point!
@jennifer1872
@jennifer1872 10 ай бұрын
Oh that tells a story , we’d all be squealing with excitement, she speaks for herself
@karinlangley6298
@karinlangley6298 10 ай бұрын
Great point. She ruined the game and was very dramatic about it. He has taken the blame for “ruining” the family moment. The children are left thinking that their mother is so deep and how they were taught a valuable lesson. The children were taught how to manipulate and never have to take responsibility for their actions. So sad.
@jennifer5130
@jennifer5130 10 ай бұрын
I think Will was just being a bloke. Jada wasn't happy that she was losing and manipulated the situation. If I can't win, no-one's going to win.
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Interesting…
@janscott7565
@janscott7565 10 ай бұрын
I agree!
@carmenmiranda7653
@carmenmiranda7653 10 ай бұрын
I dont think she cared about winning the game. Her game is about manipulating Will!
@silva7493
@silva7493 10 ай бұрын
What an excellent point. I remember letting my baby and grandbabies win at Tic Tac Toe at first, so it was fun for them playing games, as well as for me spending time with them, watching their wires connecting while they had fun😄!!), and playing along until they figured out that whoever goes first, wins. The same thing with checkers, etc., etc.. They learn the ins and outs of winning more difficult games often by their mistakes and failures while making lasting fun memories and having a blast with family. They can develop really important life skills such as winning and losing with grace, learning to think more than one, two, three, etc., steps ahead, and picking themselves up when they stumble or fall, get over it and move forward, and lots of other really important stuff. Yes, you're right! That was an excellent catch. Why would it matter if it was Christmas Eve? Bizarre, really.
@carrieannmcleod5219
@carrieannmcleod5219 10 ай бұрын
I suspect you are right. I don't know much about JPS and have no desire to do so. I'm not a fan of people who embellish the truth and need to look good, especially at the cost of others. I am appreciating your style more and more. Thanks for this insightful tidbit.
@irmar
@irmar 10 ай бұрын
Frankly neither of them would be someone I would like to have in my acquaintance circle.
@SusieQusie71
@SusieQusie71 10 ай бұрын
So glad to hear your family is competitive during game night too. My family of 4 is brutal during monopoly and we love it. Bad losers not allowed! However, some game guests have been surprised at how competitive we get during games so I started to question if we were really that strange. Happy to know we're in good company!
@michaelmcgee335
@michaelmcgee335 10 ай бұрын
The difference is Will Smith has something interesting to offer.
@caroshmarow
@caroshmarow 10 ай бұрын
Helloooo !!!! Great to find your Channel tonight. Trying to escape all the depressing news stories thus weekend. Perfect subject matter for my mood ❤
@thevintageread
@thevintageread 10 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Yes I agree it is tough out there 💕💕💕
@user-tt3jb2do8m
@user-tt3jb2do8m 10 ай бұрын
This behaviour explains alot. Even with this Memoir, when she's doing the promotion tour. She changes her story, depending on the public response, between interviews. Like people are not suppose to believe their own eyes and ears. Well she'll have to take a back seat, as more important things are happening in the entertainment industry. RIP Matthew Perry. 🙏
@sarahprice1375
@sarahprice1375 5 ай бұрын
I find it impossible to be polite at this level of narcissism. A mother puts her kids feelings first. Theyre all adults playing her twisted games as shes conditioned them to all keep her happy
@Tasja_Fox
@Tasja_Fox 10 ай бұрын
I never paid too much attention to their relationship before but her behaviour in the past few years was eye-opening. That little scenario proves again how she manipulates Will's emotional thinking as he takes the blame for playing a good game. After so many years of this kind of treatment, you would hope he'd wake up to her mental abuse. However, it was Will who took divorce off the table when they got married. I always thought that was a recipe for disaster and left the door open to accepting bad behaviour. I believe he has an unhealthy obsession with her.
@rebekahdavis5935
@rebekahdavis5935 10 ай бұрын
She's his ultimate competition but she's definitely an emotionally abusive narcissist and he will NEVER win this game. Staying in a marriage like this is futile. Bad marriage for life was the most honest thing these two have said. smh
@cathymould9815
@cathymould9815 10 ай бұрын
Your sudden insight seems to be spot on. Will Smith's anecdote could be quite telling in that Jada although not that invested in playing board games is demonstrating that she is quite the accomplished mind games player. The 👿 is really in the small details and you can certainly hone on them.
@khantsithu0757
@khantsithu0757 Ай бұрын
Wow, that's really insightful. I never thought that idea. Thanks.
@epifan3_
@epifan3_ 10 ай бұрын
This explains why Will, to me, is one of Hollywoods best criers! Those emotions are PERSONAL! Who would’ve thought his life was a living nightmare behind that silver screen?!! My goodness! I wish he muster up the “will” to leave!!! 😢
@cdmc965
@cdmc965 10 ай бұрын
I was shocked she said that in front of the kids,family game should be fun.
@lindatempleton8258
@lindatempleton8258 10 ай бұрын
Wow she is cold! I had not realised! Will now has my sympathy which is a first for me.
@WeEvil_Barlow
@WeEvil_Barlow 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for both your videos on Jada and her book. I don't think either of them are blameless, but I do think it's probable she's very matter of fact about things in her book because she see's no problem with any of it. To me it feels sociopathic, even possibly psychopathic to choose to be a drug dealer, particularly with both parents having succumbed to addiction, simply because it gave her the most power and earning capacity in her neighbourhood. From what seems to be said about trauma in formative years, and a genetic component (both parents sound as though they too might have had similar personality disorders), she seems to have had the odds of developing that way made really high. That doesn't mean it's her fault, it simply means she's very unlikely to be good for those she has relationships of any kind with, and when they separated, he should have had the sense to make it a permanent separation, with or without divorce.
@super__star6823
@super__star6823 10 ай бұрын
You don't understand narcissistic behavior and the effect on the other partner ! He is the victim .
@marie-christinelafontaine6043
@marie-christinelafontaine6043 10 ай бұрын
top manipulation here - she is using his strength/knowledge/experience to make him feel doubt. She knew he was a master player, she knew he was competitive and yet, when he showed those traits, she squished him. Their children knew their dad, they went into the game knowing he would not let them win. She showed them that, despite Will's talent, she was still running the show.
@robertamaxwell9653
@robertamaxwell9653 10 ай бұрын
I agree with you. She was being ugly by doing that to him in a game and to do that in front of the kids was wrong. Especially knowing he was good at the game. There is nothing wrong with a healthy competitive attitude and just need to learn that.
@Nikkers8
@Nikkers8 10 ай бұрын
As the world piled on Jada, you presented real empathy for the lost innocence of her childhood. Although I disliked Jada, It did cause me to check my assumptions and see what she had to say. Her promotional interviews were filled with hypocrisy, lies and self promotion and confirmed my initial viewpoint. BUT, I really respect that you challenged the popular mindset. Unfortunately Jada's media tour is undoing any goodwill the book could have created.
@di942842
@di942842 10 ай бұрын
Will may have thought himself to be the master at monopopy, but that mastery was nothing in the face of the master manipulator that was his wife.
@bluebutterfly244
@bluebutterfly244 10 ай бұрын
You remember in your last Gossip episode you said there's those type of people you have to cheer up at a get together? Jada seems like that type. She takes herself way too seriously. Just this last week I was playing dominoes with my family, and it gets hypercompetitive! But we joke and have fun, playfully calling each other cheaters! 😂 I could see the scene as you read about it, and it would seem to suck all the air out of the room of their Monopoly game. How awkward for the kids.
@kimberlyd5379
@kimberlyd5379 10 ай бұрын
Can you imagine what her kids have gone through? What damage has she done to them!
@auntylinda7640
@auntylinda7640 10 ай бұрын
This story illustrates to me just how manipulative and toxic JPS is. She has created Will's stress buttons, now she takes delight in pushing them for as long as he will let her. She reminds me of my covert Narcissistic sister.
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