Will The New Fanatec CSL DD Wheel Be Strong Enough ? | Testing 5NM with the DD1

[@RedSailor1701]

He said make a cup of tea at 1:08 ... so I left to make a tea and returned at 17:30 and feel like I have learnt as much from this video as if I had sat through all of it... neat.

[@Malficion]

???? Just use a Keurig to boil the water and strain your tea leaves. Takes 2 minutes.

[@Ethefake]

very late but "tea" can refer to dinner.

[@kaiying74]

I'm optimistic for this for no other reason than it's going to force the market to standardise on DD and that benefits everybody. I think the Carbon Fibre thingy, the 8Nm upgrade & light rim I think this will perform really well.

[@untrainedprofessionals2374]

100% the less weight handling off it will improve its performance. It is also a great starting point to move to from a g29 920 which is 2nm. It's a brilliant move from Fanatec.

[@Username_Invalid]

@@untrainedprofessionals2374 I do wish though they release an in between version from this and dd1. I’m willing to spen around $600 for just the base but not $1200 for the big boys. I’d hate to buy this for an upgrade just to have that feeling of wanting more. I wish there was a store to go and try out all these sim racing wheels and accessories.

[@untrainedprofessionals2374]

@@Username_Invalid Test driving any wheel sets would be nice considering the price. But unfortunately that will be a pipe dream. Most folks who are in this hobby never meet face to face let be able to find someone who lives nearby who can ket you try their setup so you could get an idea of what your money might buy.

[@deepenproductions]

@@Username_Invalid apparently they are slowly replacing all their wheels with DD.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@Username_Invalid if you get the 8nm boost kit I don't think you will be wanting more espeiclsly if you aren't coming from a dd wheel lol think about it even the cswv2.5 is only 7.1nm and a belt so the dd will perform better and have more direct ffb it will feel stronger overall and its plenty imo it's what most sit around tbh and I knwo for a fact trying to match 5nl with a dd1 won't give the same feeling as the base among out at 5nm or 8nm

[@whosthisguythinkheis]

was hoping you'd compare 5Nm vs 8Nm

[@takenxtx]

Same =/

[@Nojus_el_drifto]

same

[@PCayMan]

Video up now :)

[@FilingAccount]

Is GM milking this annoucement? I feel milked. There is confused satisfaction.

[@treveranderson6004]

If you feel milked I think you might owe GM some money.

[@Jaywithacamera]

I think it is, as long as they make the 5nm extra crisp

[@juliantaylor1126]

Maybe do the same set to 8 Nm

[@AmirPomen]

5nm they said is peak... 8nm upgrade power brick also rated at peak

[@bartphilips2222]

didn't they say it's up to 8?

[@kawpoy]

@@AmirPomen whats the difference?

[@AmirPomen]

@@kawpoy sustainable or continuos load probably lower at 3nm or so.. im not sure exact coz nobody got their unit yet to properly test that factor

[@electricalmumu9646]

I'm glad you keep coming up with all the analogies for us to imagine. Smooth content!

[@kinangeagle133]

I just bought a T300RS GT with the alcantara wheel and I just realized how strong the T300 actually is. I think for the price, this is strong enough for me. My muscles have been atrophying since the start of this pandemic because Im still not allowed to go outside in my country.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

T300 is a great wheel and good value for money 👍 I used one for 3 years and loved it

[@gaaaaavin]

I made tea before starting the video and spat it out during the intro. You owe me a cuppa

[@pox87]

Just wanted to add, the force you feel in your arms is proportional to the torque, but inversely proportional to the diameter of the rim. So if you get the new wheel with 8Nm, get the 270mm rim, it will be equivalent to 10Nm on a 330mm rim. Also, smaller and lighter wheel means faster changes of rotation direction.

[@untrainedprofessionals2374]

Physics. Well said sir or madame.

[@jacooosthuizen3593]

Should have tested 8nm torq aswell.

[@msalt19]

Yes! 8nm as well!

[@cmont1280]

it took me only 4 seconds to decide I was giving this a thumbs up! great intro! haha

[@adz6706]

people who are bothered about the max torque are the same people who worry about the dpi of a mouse, buy it and set it on 800 and forget about it

[@JuiceSkyy]

Fanatec will make belt driven bases a thing of the past. in thier eco system. CSL DD is the replacement for the (CSL belt base. @6nm) And i can almost be sure that there will be a CSW DD at around the same price point or a lil more the the current CSWV2.5 ... this is my guess come back to this comment at a later date jamie

[@desertedvoltron]

maybe they will release a belt drive that is around the price of gear driven wheel bases

[@JuiceSkyy]

@@desertedvoltron I think that is in the past now

[@jonboy2950]

Nice video and analysis GM some very good points that you made here.

[@dannyman12]

OK, as requested by many in the comments, you have the capability to test 5nm versus 8nm. What do you think? Another video?? It would be outstanding information for those of us interested in a purchase....

[@regibson23]

The genius is that by making the base 5nm upgradeable to 8nm with a booster power supply, you can draw even more people in. I'd probably opt for 8nm out of the gate but if you're coming from TM or G29 5nm should be plenty initially.

[@gamutjepah]

The evil genius is that the component changes to increase the power supply are very low cost to manufacture.

[@sleepdeep305]

@@gamutjepah Truly. But I think it might be worth it for some people who only need the 5 nm option

[@GorgieGus]

I've recently been getting more dissatisfied with the gritty feel of my current G29 wheel and liked the look of the CSL Elite, and its smoother belt-drive operation. I have an artificial right shoulder joint and a right wrist that hasn't healed properly after being fractured, so high torque wheels aren't for me. Then the CSL DD was announced and its 5Nm limit sounds perfect for my situation. I've always liked the idea of a DD wheel but didn't want to purchase one only to have to dial its torque down close to minimum. Your video has helped me make up my mind to go for the CSL DD, so thanks.

[@packy264]

Sold! I'm going to upgrade my CSW V2.0 workhorse to a CSL DD. I will probably buy the +3nm power update for 8nm total. iirc, my CSW has about 6 to 7 nm and I often run that at 80 - 100% so the change in actual strength should be manageable.

[@hernanialves6938]

@GamerMuscleVideos I'm with you! I believe that the CSL DD will do better than DD1 to cope with the 5Nm as you tell on this video. It's simple, the parts on the CSL DD will be smaller, lighter and with less resistance, so the internal inertia will be smaller. The rotor and stator are about the same diameter (not length), it's like a DD1 cut in half, so it looks like better designed for the 5/8Nm of torque.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

THANKS FOR SUBSCRIBING !!! (Road to 77K) | Here is my Fanatic Affiliate Store Link should you want to get one ➤ goo.gl/zLmvKQ Noticed lots of people raising questions about the 5Nm Stregth of the Announced CSL-DD wheel with lots of misconceptions about how the strength of a DD wheel relates to things, hopefully this video clears things up + I thought it was quite interesting to see what things were like a 5NM. For reference the majority of my sim racing I tend to drive with the DD1 at around 12-15Nm which I think is a good sweet spot for comfort and information, but as I point out in the video 5Nm on any DD is still enough strength to give tons of information just as the CSL-E belt wheel does but with the bonus that unlike a belt-driven wheel a DD is much smoother and lets you feel the FFB from the sim even more clearly.

[@MazdaChris]

Temptation is to compare this to the DD1 and DD2 and ask what you're missing out on, but really it should be compared to the CSL-e wheel to see what you're getting above and beyond the belt-driven experience. I doubt many who bought a CSL Elite felt like it was underpowered; with this you're getting all the power of the CSL Elite, but with the benefits of a direct drive with no damping.

[@untrainedprofessionals2374]

Yep I think that is the point that has been missed. The devil is always in the detail.

[@christopheroconnor4665]

I got my CSL elite for €399 (£345) on Black Friday 2020. SUPER happy with it

[@regibson23]

This. Ever since I've gotten my CSL I've been looking for a reasonably priced DD wheel but would never need anything close to 20nm. 6nm is plenty for me.

[@kowalski3892]

With light and small wheel rims and rigid mounting these 5/8 nm should be perfectly fine. Lets just hope that it comes to the market without any major version1.0 issues and that they will be able to keep up with demand. Viva la dd revoluzion lol

[@Steve30x]

My T300 is apparently 3.8NM so 5Nm is plenty for me.

[@RamjetX]

My thoughts exactly

[@GTsimms]

The move from my T300 to the CSW 2.5 was massive. The tire slip angles in Project CARS 3 is just absolutely amazing with it. Being able to feel the edge of traction. Not only going over the edge and being able to regain control like a real vehicle is phenomenal.

[@Steve30x]

@@GTsimms yes but even with a 5nm direct drive wheel you will feel that too but it will probably feel better than your case because you will be getting the FFB effects directly from the motor instead of it going from the motor , on to a belt drive then on to the wheel. I was using a T150 for a few weeks with GT Sport until I saved to buy a T300 last week. The T150 was completely dead. I barely felt the curbs {it's still like that with the T300 but a tiny bit better) and I felt absolutely no other effects with the T150. I used 5he T300 for the first time on Friday and there is a huge difference. I feel a lot more FFB effects in GT Sport. Effects I wasn't aware existed. I will be using the T300 with pc Sims like Asetto Corsa , OCars , Dirt Rally 2.0 etc too.

[@GTsimms]

@@Steve30x There's not that much of an improvement from the CSW to the DD. I have seen posts of the CSW putting out 85-90% of the ffb details compared to a DD. The main difference is the strength. R-VR closet has a good video on the difference.

[@Steve30x]

@@GTsimms the CSL DD will be much cheaper than the CSW while at the same time feeling as good if not better.

[@nazart7830]

I hate live Q&A, it's impossible to get a question answered when a thousand more are being asked at the same time

[@trevz1048]

I'm using a csl with it maxed it clips bad,but the force produced is more than needed ill get the dd csl with the power pack and that should be more than enough for my needs,thanks for the vid good insight into what's coming

[@nicholasmarshall3191]

If only the tea lady from Monty Python could come around about now.

[@fredbruno]

Can you do another test but this time while running at 8nm since they said we would be able to reach that level with an upgraded power supply ? Nice video and thank you !

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I have a Preview CSL DD at the moment , ill have a video out on the 4th :)

[@fredbruno]

@@GamerMuscleVideos Great news, I'm waiting impatiently for that video.

[@Kevin-vg5uw]

Being dd and having a carbon shaft, even tho its 5 or 8nm, it will probably be perceived as more and u won't be able to compare the detail to a belt driven wheel, plus im pretty sure there will be a clunsport version probs around 12nm to bridge the gap, but I think this will be a massive improvement to the community, and its more than the normal t300 and tspc for the same money so really nothing to pick at unless it performs like trash, but given that fanatec has been working on this for very long I believe it will be pretty polished by release

[@msalt19]

Yes club sport dd wheel base please!!!!

[@sevach]

Suggestion for a following video, set the Podium to low torque mode, which i believe it's roughly 7.5/8 Nm

[@gameboyterrorysta6307]

5Nm should be more than enough for this price. Of course assuming rest of the "features" are well done. It will be for sure much better for most of interested consumers - propably people upgrading from budget wheels like T150 or G25/27/29

[@menachaa]

I think 5nm will Be enough for my Spaghetti arms

[@kevinharkness2108]

I have a 6 nm thrustmaster t gt and it makes my hands ache drivilng lmp1 cars at the nordschliefe in gts.

[@torchbearer3784]

Hopefully Fanatec have these in stock when released. I almost gave up PC gaming after the gpu fiasco that is happening. Thank god that miners and scalpers doesn't care about sim racing gear.

[@boostedmedia]

Good analogy with the headphones vs hifi.

[@Maartwo]

Another piece of gear I can't afford! Yaay!

[@Bobbarker23455]

350 dude u can afford that.

[@andszy2931]

@@Bobbarker23455 nah dud you still have to buy a rim which is another 200 plus pedals if he has none and probably a stand to put it on

[@Bobbarker23455]

@@andszy2931 its deff not the cheapest hobby. Put 20$$ 50$$ aside every week, u will have a nice setup in 4 months

[@andszy2931]

@@Bobbarker23455 i never mentioned it being cheap just said 3509 turns into al ot so its wiser to sometimes not go with the new fanatec ive been saving up months for a good setup.

[@Bobbarker23455]

@@andszy2931 nice same thing i did took me some time to get everything started with pc then csl elite base witch turns out i screwed up buying that lol but idc gonna run her till she blows. Good luck man.

[@fritzcapet2101]

Thank you , informative video

[@counterdebate]

Ah but what if we stop eating and become weaker to balance it out.... 🤣

[@marown1]

Thanks for the video would have been amazing to test the 8Nm as well ;-)

[@AzumiLP]

I think you've gotta look at it from the perspective of it being an entry level DD. It's low enough in price that it's affordable for everyone, and with it not having a high amount of torque it gives people a good idea of what a DD wheel can do without the risk of wrists snapping as easily.

[@tarbopower9140]

I'm super excited more in my price range

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Funny thing is the 5nm on the csl elite dd may actually feel stronger due to its at max at that point I've realized trying to match lower nm on higher nm wheels doesn't feel the same as a wheel maxed at that same lower nm and tbh the boost kit making it 8nm imo is perfect lol I would def grt the boost kit for sure lol

[@TheJAMF]

Hopefully you will do a direct comparison of your 8nm, against the CSL-DD, so you can tell us how much detail a [lighter axle-no hub-no QR] setup transmits to your fingers and how much all that weight muddles small details on lower torque? Oh, and as we have confirmed AC as the preferred SIM to test on, do you have a preferred track with much road surface detail and maybe a car that sends all the surface detail to the wheel? Something crazy like a Super7 on Road America?

[@wwjnz9263]

Thinking about an eventual CSW DD. Price wise it should come in at €600 - €750. Power wise, I hope tops out at 13Nm.

[@dirtbikesandsimracing5421]

Hey, great vid, I was curious about what the nm is like so kudos. When I get one, I will get the upgraded Power Supply. What is it like at 8nm? Also what NM do run you on your DD1?

[@XavierGoncalves89]

If a csw is plenty strong for you, the new csl dd will have the similar strength

[@andyw0340]

Interesting comparison , what gain setting were you using in Assetto Corsa ? Btw , keep up the great content 👍

[@MaddSusie]

With the CSL elite being my next upgrade, I feel the CSL DD will be the chosen one...

[@valter_vava74]

You should have tested at 8nM too

[@TheSmokingGunmen]

This is very much aimed at the market to pull people away from gear or belt driven wheels. So to them 5nm or 8nm is going to feel amazing. Sure you still have to buy a wheel and peddle set to complete the package. But for what you get it's good value for money. As a current G29 owner this is going to be a huge step forward for me and will only improve my driving abilities (as if I had any in the first place)

[@honeychurchgipsy6]

The speaker driver analogy is perfect as both are motors and receive and process a voltage signal (DDs would not use current sig surely?). Wondering if I can write a Python program to record FFB signal and play it on my hi-fi :)

[@blekenbleu]

I suspect that you were getting more nearly 5Nm more often than the CSL DD can provide.

[@leegtracer3763]

Would be nice to see the new ps5 DD with 10nm+. Love the Wrc wheel, use it in wreckfest. Just a shame it's a bit creaky but using a headset you don't hear it.

[@dimakor5914]

The motor is 8 nm, they just cut power of base power supply to charge another (100$ ?) for more powerful power supply. Fanatec being Fanatec, charging money for anything, including air.

[@hayeduce]

I look at it from a different perspective. There are gonna be people who dont need the 8Nm. For them its cheaper, technically not having to pay full price for a product they wont fully use

[@hayeduce]

@Sqwee that would put it to csw 2.5 strength levels which was sold for 550. This is a dd, and even with the upgraded power supply its gonna cost less probably. I rly dont get how ppl dont see the value in this. At least compared to the bases that it is replacing.

[@dimakor5914]

@@awamaya The cheapest bundle is still more than 700$, but in Europe with all taxes and shiping is more like 900 euros. Which is almost 4 times the price of G29. Nobody is going to buy racing wheel for 900 euros except youtube bloggers. My hope is Logitech and Thrustmuster will finally make 10 nm DD wheel for 400$ total, available in your nearest store.

[@hayeduce]

@@dimakor5914 how is it 900? They specifically say that the prices in euros already include VAT. Whenever i order from them i never have to pay anything additional other than shipping

[@dimakor5914]

@@hayeduce Well, Fanatec doesn't ship to my country, and (a very few) local resellers charge crazy prices like 900$ for CSL Elite base alone. And there is no Fanatec products in big EU online stores like computeruniverse either.

[@aaronalonsofalque]

what headset are u using? it sounds good

[@Silvermanav]

The fact that for the same price range the peak torque is in the same ballpark of the csl DD. I'll take the DD without a doubt.

[@Paul_85-]

So basically like most of us thought 5nm is nowhere strong enough if you are only getting about the same amount of detail as a csl elite. A bit smoother yes but no its not going to be enough. Maybe at 8nm with the power pack yes. But fanatec have changed from being a true premium product to being the apple of the sim world, products that arnt anywhere near as good as the competition but very very well advertised.

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

Upgrading from a G29, this thing is going to triple the torque so I'm not overly concerned.

[@Maxillz]

I have the csl elite and I struggle to turn in some cars especially in endurance races, idk why you would need much more?

[@LeeFall]

Thing is, how long can it handle/sustain the peak 5/8nm if it can only hold that torque for 1 second that's pretty much useless... proofs in the the eating.

[@ccramit]

I feel like if I'm gonna go for a DD, I'll just save up and wait for a high powered DD. I can't imagine this CSL DD feeling a crazy amount better. Probably slightly better feeling in the wheel and slightly tighter handling, but as a CSL Elite owner, nothing that makes me want to "upgrade". My next purchase will probably be a Podium DD1, not an entry level DD. For guys who have no wheel or just using a G29, this is definitely must buy. There is nothing at this price range that could compare to a DD base, no matter how little torque it has.

[@Theoloop]

I think clipping is something to touch on too. If you want 5nm sustained during a turn it's not gonna give you any additional detail past that.

[@adamday331]

I have the simucube pro and in acc i run it at 33% which is would be around 8.25nm of torque. I think 8nm is more than enough for most people. It can still hurt your wrists and thumbs!

[@emiraces]

In reality my only concern with the CSLDD is reliability (fanless design makes me a bit worried). If it's reliable and has no major problems, it's a no-brainer for me.

[@musicmate70]

anyone who has purchased a CSL elite recently will be spitting blood 😉 all CSL elite & CSW bases will now be free in lucky bags lol

[@azrhynichol]

Could you test 8Nm too? Perhaps to see if purchasing the power brick is worth it? Like would you be able to tell the difference

[@Skafiskafnjak51]

I am buying it, no matter what

[@EmesiS]

Like all direct drive motors a lot depends on the controller and the software. Who knows what Fanatec has up their sleeve? My suggestion bar is full of KZbinrs giving their "analysis" of what this means. Well that's all fine and dandy but no one knows until the device is actually on the market. So right now it's just hype and a lot static noise.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

That's what I explained in the video as well 👍

[@WarrenKlarenbeek]

hahahahahahah, sup!! I was awating this video since the news yesterday!! :))

[@j.j.venezia9907]

So I'm on a semi low budget and currently have the g920 and would like to upgrade. I was heading towards the t300rs from thrustmaster but saw this and really liked it... would it be a not stupid decision to do this over the t300rs? And my second thing is that I would want to get the csl universal hub, would I be able to use the 5/8 nm of force with the cheaper quick release or do I need the more expensive one, because I saw that you need the more expensive one to use the peak force for the dd1/dd2.

[@fpupesh]

maybe an 8nm test considering most people will buy the upgrade kit for the csl dd?

[@Daz555Daz]

I wonder what the holding torque of the motor is?

[@SIMRIG412]

Probably 2 or 3 Nm for 5nm Probably 5 or 6 Nm for 8nm This thing will be weak as hell for a DD wheel base. And fanatec sucks at DD wheel bases the dd1 and dd2 suck. Fanatec is good at belt driven wheel bases but not DD wheel. Most people who actually buy at dd1 or dd2 end up selling them for simucube 2 wheel bases or other DD wheel bases and are always happy they sold there fanatec. Only people who praise dd1 or dd2 are youtube sim channels who get them for free from fanatec

[@Crunch630]

@@SIMRIG412 rubbish. I have dd1 and i love it

[@codybaker590]

I got a g29 right now and Ether way I’m probably still going to get this

[@KurthardtJr]

i use a vrs DD and i like low nm settings...honestly it feels like my g27 to an extent

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yep well the Logitech wheels are as close as you can get to a DD whalst not being a DD it's why the g25 was such a huge inivation as it doesn't suffer from latency issues lots of belt wheels have. Rotational speed + centre ffb deadzone and strength were just not very good.

[@KurthardtJr]

@@GamerMuscleVideos yup. I used for g27 for years til it wore down. Switched a t300, hated it, accuforce DD Wasnt a fan, I was always longing for that confidence I found in the g27 and finally found it with the vrs

[@RalstigRacing]

How much does the G25 put out? Also, the wheel diameter will affect the torque output to your hands. (Along with lighter rims)

[@TonysRacing600]

How has the torque been measured as seen in the bottom right?

[@TrippyTrain]

Will The New Fanatec CSL DD Wheel Be Strong Enough To Grow GM Hair back?

[@jordan_bondurant]

I've often wondered what Thrustmaster and Logitech were doing while Fanatec was essentially taking over the wheel market for casual and enthusiast sim racers. I love my TS-PC, but it's crazy aside from some new pedals and the announcement of this new Ferrari rim, Thrustmaster hasn't rolled anything new out in quite a while. Meanwhile Logitech just recycled the G25 last year. I think this new base from Fanatec is sort of signaling the end of belt-driven wheel bases, especially with that price tag.

[@philip851]

Can i ask a question? Online Sim racers like yourself say they play with 12nm etc...but the force you all put into steering appears very easy, including changing direction. I play on a G920 with only 2nm (I believe).....and there is no way I can turn the wheel as easily as you guys on full ffb, as for quick changes direction, forget it, it isn't driveable. It isn't the wheel because the logitech GT I have is similar. So what is going on?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The changing direction is the motor moving itself , DD wheels have very low initia and dampening so even though the FFB Can be strong the wheel can move very easily when it needs to. With a g29 you tend to have to push it around manually more to make up for its lack of speed.

[@socks2441]

3:45 wheel rotation speed. the only reason to go high nm. you dont need that torque. not at all. but you do need a fast spinning wheel. a g29 is just too damn slow to be useful. but even its meagly 2nm is enough torque imho.

[@socks2441]

ah, but then again. im forgetting the g29 wheel is tiny so increases the torque. whereas a bigger wheel gives you more leverage thus decreasing torque. so with a proper sized wheel, maybe the 2.2-2.5?nm of the g29 would not be enough. but im still sure the 5nm of the fanatec dd is plenty.

[@dariantan7923]

hi .. im new to simracing... was planning to get a dd1 to start with .. but with this launching in few mths..will u recommend me to wait or just get the dd1 as it is much better? and do u think it'll affect the dd1 resale value once csl dd launches?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Just wait and see what the csldd is like never a rush to buy things 👍

[@christopherlees3684]

Been waiting for this. We need to know if it's enough

[@Daz555Daz]

My T300 can manage about 4Nm but it can't sustain that for very long. If this CSL DD can maintain 5Nm in long sessions without fade then I think it will be enough.

[@agnttgr]

@@Daz555Daz DD CSL can produce 8 Nm

[@Daz555Daz]

@@agnttgr with the upgrade yes.

[@hippysplace]

CSL Elite has 6Nm of torque

[@Username_Invalid]

I wish they had a 12nm wheel for about $500. I understand keeping the cost down but I feel they might have gone to “entry” based. We will have to wait and see how it performs obviously 🤔🤗 Edit: just made it to the point in video where you mention this as well haha.

[@sleepdeep305]

Well, I think the point is to have an entry level dd wheel which has never been done before...they have plenty of other non entry wheels as you probably know!

[@Username_Invalid]

@@sleepdeep305 Yeah fair point, I’ll probably hold off and go with the dd1 as I only want to upgrade once. Yes my pocket will hate me lol.

[@shorty808100]

I get all that FF you say you can’t get from a belt drive wheel from my CSL Elite it all depends on the setting you use in game and in your wheel settings

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

Yes a CSLE is perfectly fine and you get great detail from it. But you get even more detail and range of FFB as well as very minimal to no cogging from a DD based ffb wheel. You can drive perfectly fine with a G293 and if a game has good FFB like the origonal asseto corsa just about any wheel will have enough detail to tell you what the car is doing in game.

[@noone9382]

Is it worth upgrading from a csl f1 set (which is a belt) and but the new dd?

[@taison10]

I smell a CLUBSPORT DD Edition coming, 12Nm ? Just my guess

[@wormeaten]

Hi. Nice preview but I believe you should test it on 6.5nm because it will be more optimized for 5nm than it is on DD1 so this 6.5nm will be more accurate to simulate the end result of CSL DD. Video is definitely useful out of doubt.

[@simracingwales4997]

When are the mugs comeing back in stock ?

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

I need to find another supplier

[@jamessawyer1331]

Where is the 8nm with the Upgraded PSU?

[@lesblase3667]

So will they be making cheaper wheels or? 😅 asking for a mate

[@socks2441]

since when do you need arm breaking ffb? my g29 gives my bad shoulder and elbow issues. and its only 2. something nm. already feels heavier than any car ive ever driven irl. even my old honda accord back in the day when the high pressuer power steering hose blew. so it not only had no powersteering, but it had the additional friction of dragging a powersteering rack. ok. so in a car park, pretty heavy. on the road. not very heavy at all. same with when my toyota altezza broke down a few months ago, getting towed back with a tow rope i had no powersteering, and it wasnt that heavy. but my g29, too heavy. for rally anyway. i literally run it at about 20% or lower ffb in dirt rally 2.0. 10% in ac if im trying to drift so i dont have to fight it, etc.

[@asoshkin]

The feel of DD1 at 5 has plenty of power left to avoid clipping vs CSL dd which is maxed out at 5 which will cause more clipping issues IMHO.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

In regards to clipping I don't see how Its irrelevant if it has more power, if you are not using that power / never going over the 5Nm which would be the clipping point of the other device for example. It would only be relevant if the DD1 was in fact going over 5Nm at times in which case yes that would be clipped with a motor that could not do that. In my example, in the video, I turned the wheel's power down such that it physically could not go over 5Nm regardless of what the game told it to do.

[@Stupendous855]

The motor must be capable of excess 8nm, so it should handle 5nm without any issues

[@RacingGB]

any chance of seeing how 8nm feels compared? as they are offering the booster to get to 8nm :)

[@I_Punch_Demons]

This is hilarious you just made a video on why you should buy a DD wheel and then Fanatec hits you with a sub 400 USD option literally a day later.

[@MrDazTroyer]

My Csl elite is only 6nm and I find that to much at full strength. I obviously forgot arm days. 😂

[@romario5080]

So will there be a new DD3 and DD4???

[@MagnumMuscle1000]

A 15 NM Mige motor is $180 retail. I would think Fanatec could offer something with that motor for around $600. It would offer far more performance than this.

[@GamerMuscleVideos]

The cost of a DD is mostly the controller unit and the whole production distribution pipeline rather than just the servo motor. For example it will come to at least £450-700 if you DIY a OSW type solution and that's using other people's servo control code / open source software. And a wheel that does not necessarily compy with consumer regulations. Companies selling retail have to have at least 30-40% margin on the base costs just to cover the risks + R&D + support + marketing and all the other random crap. Maybe the csldd could be even cheaper or it would be better to be a bit higher spec for same price that's a seperate argument. But all said and done for a mass market consumer FFB wheel by an established company it's a very competitive price for what it is. ( Assuming there are no issues) 😅

[@ricardomaya2001]

I'm so confused right now, don't get me wrong your video was on point , but I'm a recent owner of a CSW 2.5 base , and I'm wondering if this is worth the upgrade -.-

[@theglitch312]

A CSL DD would be a sidegrade/downgrade to a CSW 2.5. It is a clear upgrade to the current CSL series. I wouldn’t buy this if you own a CSW 2.5. Which is what most would agree on, is still the higher performance wheelbase. However, the fact that this wheel is called the CSL DD, and that Fanatec has claimed all DD is the future... Wait for the CSW DD!

[@gelfie2208]

I have a CSW v2. I think its max torque is around 7nm. But it has nowhere near the rotational speed displayed in this video. Even with the drift mode set to the fastest setting. I'd give up some FFB "Weight" to gain some FFB "Speed". Depending on how solid the table clamp is.

[@theglitch312]

@@gelfie2208 Now that I look at it, Max torque of the 'boosted' CSL DD and the CSW V2.5 is the same. So depending on the hold, rotation speed and some other factors I'm to dumb to know about, the boosted CSL DD may be slightly better depending on what you want from your wheel. Let's hope the reviews are positive!

[@ariton2990]

@@theglitch312 You are forgetting 1 important thing: CSL DD is Direct drive wheel as opposed to CSW V2.5 which is belt driven. So CSL DD should be smoother, more details, more responsive.

[@theglitch312]

@@ariton2990 I know it's a belt driven wheel. But most people were talking about the CSL DD as a sidegrade to the CSW, but it seems like a step up if the torque is the same, since DDs usually have better response and can hold their max torque for longer I'm not mistaken.

[@AdzzVR]

How heavy is the McLaren Wheel ?

[@michaelbroek1]

Why you dont turn the ring when siwtch wheels

[@kahel...]

Don't forget that the DD1 was supposed to be 1000$ and turn out to be 1200...

[@bratosin1]

Doesnt matter even 500 Is still very cheap vs 1200/1500

[@kahel...]

@@bratosin1 That's true, still a decent offer... in theory... but, it only matter if they are brodly available... which is far from a given... even more so if it turn out to be such a disruptive product. We'll see about that... and at the end of the day that's a very welcome move for the next few years.