Will We All Become Cyborgs?

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Every day, we use technology to augment our senses in one way or another. The question is, how far will we truly go?
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[@lfreeman2511]

@OrangeRiver : Nope! You're wrong on this one! It'll be more like Cyberpunk 2077. It'll stop there. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYmUmXSYfNKXrck

[@MarcillaSmith]

What makes you humans think the question is whether or not you will get technological advancements, instead of how long the technology will decide to retain any parts of the legacy biological systems?

[@jaynedavies2757]

I think AR will be the way. VR like 3D television will be around in bursts every 25 years or so. more of a look what we can do with this technology style, because it is great but doesn't address any practical problem in daily life for 99.99 + of people. AR well that could translate signs and translate speech, far more useful in daily life. maybe low light technology could mean we make street lights obsolete.

[@alabamapilot244]

My son was born with microtia, grade 2. A few months back he received a subdermal implant to allow him to hear on the affected side. A small external unit magnetically attaches to his scalp, allowing it to communicate with the unit beneath his scalp. You can even use Bluetooth to send music directly into his auditory system. In my opinion he is less of a "cyborg" than my older son who is dependent on his phone. His entire mental state is filtered, augmented, and integrated with his phone. My older son quite literally has an exocortex - a new layer of processing that his brain utilize, process, access, and understand his world. The transduction layer is different, but the overall cognitive impact of the pocket supercomputer is FAR more impactful than a physical implant.

[@threeofeight197]

I wonder what the younger son would say. I imagine the difference between being able to hear and not is hugely impactful. From a “default” human perspective it looks like nbd to hear. But from a deaf person’s perspective it must be life changing.

[@threeofeight197]

I see your point tho that just because it implanted doesn’t mean it’s more impactful than something exterior to the body. I agree on that point.

[@alabamapilot244]

@threeofeight197 It's been incredible for him. His quality of life is greatly improved. The unit is almost a literal miracle.

[@Eireman_on_Twitch]

I see your point. I’m 50 years old, have a heart valve made of a titanium ring and carbon leaves installed when I was 28. I have titanium in both my right wrist and left knee, both reconstructed. I advertise myself online as a cyborg, though also being a tech geek (retired network engineer), I truthfully see these implants as internal tools, dumb, body powered. A proper cyborg needs a degree of intelligence in the implant, I suppose, in my mind. It’s a strange world we live in!

[@HellOnWheel]

11:18 And if you're really lucky, you'll see a goth cyborg.

[@jordanbridges]

Sign me up

[@jordanbridges]

I mean... to date one

[@megalopath]

So, keeping track of my progress to becoming Borg: I wear a smartwatch on my wrist for monitoring medical data to maintain certain conditions (plus notifications for work and stuff, opting for a privacy-respecting device), I wear glasses to correct a disparity between my eyes (near sighted and far sighted), and I have special earplugs I wear to limit my range of hearing because it's too sensitive (sometimes swapping out for noise cancelling earbuds). So, nothing implanted, but I do enhance my biology with technology, so you be the judge.

[@palmercolson7037]

There are already cybords in society today. All of them because of medical issues. There are people with: - heart pacemakers (with or without the option of a defibrillator) - cochlear hearing implants - hip and bone replacements and supports - stents expanding blood vessels to or from the heart - shunts to drain fluid from the skull into the bladder - replacement lenses for the eye to remove a cataract They aren't like the usual devices that we think of, but they came about due to real necessity. Most aren't battery powered electronics, but they are sophisticated and well designed devices for their purpose.

[@gjmottet]

I needed a pacemaker as a child after heart surgery in the early 90s, cyborgs are here. My pacemaker has not been needed for decades, but the metal leads used in the old school device are still in my body and were not removable set off security at the airport sometimes. If I was born 20 years earlier, I would have died as a child and as time goes on and more kids are born to older parents so have increase genetic illness and we can save more sick kids, cyborgs will become more common.

[@CRYOKnox]

As a diabetic with an blood sugar sensor and the need for insulin, wearing glases and having some artificial teeth i would argue that certain persons already xould count as low level Cyborgs.

[@millardlovejoy4951]

Yeah I’m also a diabetic with a pump and cgm closed loop system it technically meets the cyborg definition lol

[@2Potates]

Barring medical reasons, if you have wearable alternatives why would you go through the trouble of getting implants? Even ignoring the costs involved wearables are still more accessible and easier to take care of. Speaking of, something i noticed a lot of sci-fi tends to overlook is how a cyborg would keep their implants charged.

[@KwameSolomon-yw5rd]

you sound like me in 2007 asking why I would want a computer on a tiny screen that I have charge when I could do my computing sitting in front of a desktop with a massive 20" screen.

[@hotmailcompany52]

I think its a mix of enhancing capabilities like having a notepad and calculator built directly into the brain and for full experience vr 🤔

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

@@KwameSolomon-yw5rd yeah, but would you have a tiny screens implanted in your eyes?

[@2Potates]

@@KwameSolomon-yw5rd There's still a big difference between using a smaller device and putting said smaller device inside of you.

[@Ristaak]

Really, cybernetics won't be viable until society has working nanobots and figure out how to create biomimetic machines (machines that mimic biological processes to self repair themselves.) At that point, the only thing you'd need to keep your cybernetics up to snuff, repaired, and charged, would be mineral rich foods.

Some of us are already cyborgs with prosthetic body parts

[@Ivan_Ooze]

When I got my hips replaced I was disappointed they couldn’t read my blood pressure, heart rate, temperature etc and connect to an ap on my phone via Bluetooth

[@DrymouthCWW]

Hehe

[@dramonmaster222]

I can see us becoming cyborgs. Now will become the Borg is another question.

[@Vodkaquiet]

Hello, sir. I really enjoy your content! There are some videos I skip due to spoilers, though. I never thought I’d watch Star Trek-I don’t know why. I’m 37, and I wasn’t into it growing up, especially since their best media seems to be from the 70s to the 00s. Recently, I’ve started exploring it. I’ve watched some episodes of The Original Series, all the movies, and now I’m on the third season of The Next Generation. I’m absolutely loving it! With that in mind, I thought of suggesting a video idea: would you consider doing a commentary or analysis on TNG seasons? You could talk about the technology, aliens, world-building, plotlines-whatever you find relevant. Just a thought!

[@OrangeRiver]

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[@beezelbuzzel]

Awesome video! It's been some time, and I'm glad to be back!

[@danspawn85]

Rich people, yes, the rest of us, no.

[@TheMysteryDriver]

Gotta mock them

[@mryellow6918]

The rest of us also yes.

[@distiking]

Because we will all be rich.

[@mryellow6918]

@@distiking no because we will be forced to upgrade to keep up in the work force with the cheap stuff that keeps breaking. keeping us poor.

[@distiking]

@ once we achieve agi there will be no such thing as work force

[@MotherShipMedia]

we have been cyborgs for decades. There are millions of people with implanted pacemakers, hearing aids, etc that make them cyborgs. We;ve been implanting tech n humans for decades.

[@Armchairlayman]

Love the new content. Predictions of the future are always interesting because they are typically extrapolations of current technology. If you look at predictions from the early 20th century, everything in the future would be mechanical. If you look at similar predictions from the 50s, everything had jet technology. I personally don’t see this as our future but a breakthrough 15 years from now may turn that on its head.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Nuclear-powered jets, at that!

[@Rogo112]

I am fan of hive mind idea(not necessarily in borg version) and some aspects of tranhumanism, but I realized some years ago that we are "cyborgs" and our internet, mostly in small spaces behaves as a hive mind not like one big one but many small ones that solve and do different stuff on impulse in like a day and then get bored and move to a different things

[@gr8tbigtreehugger]

Really appreciate all your hard work on this video essay - many thanks!

[@BlackMatt2k]

Only the ones who don't become food, but I think most would agree they're more of a "them" than a "we".

[@musicalinanity7870]

This feels like a new subject and I just want you to know that it seems like a fitting follow through on your exploration of Star Trek, and thus space as a whole. I will continue to watch if this is your future.

[@joseaguilar3323]

Your intro actually spoke to me because I recently quit Twitter for good and it's hard to explain the feeling of absense that my brain feels. I feel so dissociated from the rest of the world, it's crazy. It's like I had a constant feed of information hooked to my mind for 10 years and now there's silence. All I can compare it to is how the Ex-Borgs in Star Trek describe being separated from the collective.

[@ramonaflowers5052]

I think wearable tech will get better and better, like A.R. glasses and contact lenses with heads up displays with real time info and communication, but I think implants will remain for those who lose eyes or limbs due to accidents or disease, and the few who are very into transhumanism.

[@Ristaak]

You don't even need implants for those that lose eyes. Well sorta. You'd need something like Elon Musk's neural link, but you could just have an implant in the brain connected to the visual cortex. No need for cybernetic eyes, just have computerized camera glasses that link wirelessly to your brain implant.

[@MrPapamaci88]

Here's the thing, cybernetics won't become as good as the real parts as things stand. For a good while they will only be replacements and no one will willingly replace a part of their body - disfiguring themselves - unless they have to. On the other hand if we had nanotech so good we can literally create artificial synthetic stem cells and/or create synthetic organs that are just as good if not better than the original, that's also about the level where we can essentially rewrite our own genetics to organically achieve the same effect replacing our parts would achieve, effectively this also means becoming immortal superhumans. This will be the privilege of the ultra rich and stay that way. The rest of us will probably be discarded for a synthetic/automated work-force that is cheaper to maintain, has no free will and therefor no pesky resistance. Creating an elite like that which stands so much above the rest of humanity is a far worse threat than any GAI revolt. Just saying, as soon as some company starts working on immortality tech and true enhancements, the average human becomes fully obsolete.

[@duckpotat9818]

Vaccination improves our immunity beyond what is natural and most of us get them willingly. Dental implants are better than real teeth in many things. Clothing is better than skin and hair. While not an implant it is one of the oldest technologies we have. And lastly cosmetic surgery. People get them willingly and they do improve your aesthetics beyond what was natural in most cases.

[@leafloaf3232]

i believe the most important technology for space colonization will be genetic, to make bones denser and photosynthesis/chemosynthesis more efficient

[@albizu75]

Haven't seen this entire video but the topic seems awesome! Looking forward to it.

[@c1ph3rpunk]

I’ve had 3 spine fusions, each 2 level, I’m already 25% Terminator. I’m headed for another surgery, this time I’m requesting the addition of a fusion reactor. USB-C connectors please, I don’t need another dongle.

[@souplike.homogenate]

*pushes up my glasses without which I cannot see

[@TheMysteryDriver]

But we didn't need glasses until more modern times.

[@palmercolson7037]

@@TheMysteryDriver Didn't need them or just made do without them? If you could see someone or something at a distance and they were blurry to you, you just accepted it and it wasn't a problem unless the someone was a enemy who sees better than you and they have the drop on you.

[@duckpotat9818]

​​@@TheMysteryDriver most people in the past didn't have to read (in a classroom form 20 ft away) or drive. If their eyesight was a little bad it made no difference unless they were a soldier.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@palmercolson7037 indeed, even in the 19th century wearing glasses in public was seen as a sign of feebleness and weakness. Even people who really needed it, just made-do with talking to blurry blobs of people on most occasions. The monocle was literally invented to try and change that perception after all!

[@TheMysteryDriver]

@@palmercolson7037 nope. Didn't need them. Myopia is because of close up work. This has been proven because some places have near 100% glasses needs for children when their parents didn't need it.

[@pticatori]

Wow. Now that's a good documentary. My man, you're damn good.

[@LordTalax]

I think the Ghost in the Shell anime shows what a mess it would be if we all became cyborgs with cyborg brains. People hacking you, taking control of you, changing your reality and memories.

[@JMJorapronobis]

Just another series of reasons why life is so much better without a cell phone. Haven't had one in years and don't miss it at all.

[@djcjr1x1]

I posit that an average human can almost never erase their digital footprint completely anymore as a type of transhumanism. As a man in my 50's in the US I've wished I could and just disappear from society because of the direction humanity is heading many times. Completely scrubbing myself from data and living somewhere on Earth where I'm completely unaffected/unreachable is almost impossible.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

I remember watching a similar program about people becoming cyborgs on TV several years ago - so far, it's still mainly medical implants.

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

A Spanish Archeologist and Paleo Anthropologist said Thats our Future in His Book from The Caves to The Cosmos

[@LadyAndreaRose1701]

Just this past Monday is in the hospital getting a deep brain stimulator implanted in my brain to help me control my Parkinson's. I am the future

[@djcjr1x1]

Ah a chance to reference the under appreciated classic Fringe my man you never miss a chance good job! I was just thinking about it recently...wait is that the simulation kicking in? We're possibly already transhuman.🤔😵

[@almamater7427]

a person that is converted to a cyborg lasts shorter and a person not converted to a cyborg lasts longer.

[@SuperJonathanmatthew]

honestly the answer isn't if, but when. and to some degree we all are already cyborgs if you consider glasses and phones as a form of non permanent cyborgs. I guess there will be a lot of mixed feelings about implanting stuff into the body for one or two generations after the tech gets mainstream and cheap but after that all bets are off, as the tech gives those who use it insane capabilities and advantages. there will obviously always be people who will never adopt something this invasive but they will become a minority. Edit: Moores law may end very soon, but that doesn't mean progress or speed of pcs will slow down at all, there are current investments and research into thermodynamic and light based computing instead of using electrons. which will give us processors at the 100 terahertz range easily without overheating instead of 2 to 8 gigahertz of current PCs, and while using a fraction of the power of the most low power CPUs today. and there are still ALOT of ways to make programs themselves way way more efficient by adopting algorithms we may not even have discovered yet. We are still many millions or even billions of times less efficient than the theoretical maximum computation possible calculated by Bremermann's limit. in conclusion: Educated guess is we are at least a couple hundred years away from actually reaching the absolute limit of "current" known physics and we may discover some wonky stuff in the future that extends our tech growth into infinity if we are lucky.

[@TheMysteryDriver]

We didn't need glasses in the past. That's an issue with our lifestyle

[@SuperJonathanmatthew]

@@TheMysteryDriver yeah, if you get a lot of sunlight the need for sunglasses goes down a lot but not to zero. people had glasses before computers and modern tech.

[@asdf30111]

@@TheMysteryDriver People who needed glasses before they existed, just would not be able to get them.

[@CRYOKnox]

​@@asdf30111or survive long enough to be remembered...

[@2Potates]

I just see glasses and phones as tools.

[@FallenPhoenix86]

Pacemakers, difficult to argue they don't qualify their users. An implanted device used to control/regulate a bodily function. We've been there for a while.

[@MichaelBailey-e6p]

With smartphones and all the rest, at the moment we could be considered to be practicing for that reality. ...and you know we all love a bit of convenience.

[@spencerpollock5688]

Can you please do the predator or yautaj species for an episode explained and there history like you did with the xenomorps and have a wonderful day 👍

[@jeffreycarman2185]

I hope that humanity can survive long enough to do things like colonize other planets and debate about whether or not they want to get that fashionable implant to make them smarter.

[@Numba003]

I can see implants as robotic prosthetics and medical tech (such as artificial organs), but I wouldn't expect this transhumanism business to catch on. People like flexibility, and a portable tool is much more flexible to use and not than a biological implant. Thank you for the interesting discussion video on the topic! God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)

[@PaulTheadra]

I can't wait to be able to afford a pair of augmented reality glasses, so I can watch Star Trek while at work.

[@Handledandle]

Good stuff

[@jackiebrown5680]

Hawking was kinda tweaking with his aggression comment.

[@2Potates]

Seems like something that would be very easy to abuse by those in power.

[@kxs22]

Answer, yes. Eventually, but only if we survive long enough

[@imperfectxennial3008]

Resistance is futile, progress won’t be stopped

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

The rich and powerful will augment their brain and memory capacities. This will leave the other 99% in the dust, who will forever remain as the schlaves they already are. That's just how it is. Wealth equals health; no exceptions.

[@millardlovejoy4951]

As a diabetic with a continuous glucose monitor and insulin pump I feel like a cyborg sometimes lol

[@SnarkNSass]

🤧🤒 👁️👁️🖖🏼🤟🏼

[@jxun4l3ht10]

Yes. From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine

[@jhealey48]

I have 100 screws and plates in my face after an accident so I definitely qualify as a cyborg

[@ragingauroch1690]

Haven't watched, but based on the title: I hope we do

[@The-future-is-in-the-past]

I hope not, the purity of flesh must triumph over steel

[@ANDREALEONE95]

@@The-future-is-in-the-past shut up.

[@OrangeRiver]

@ANDREALEONE95 No, they're right, I actually think transhumanism is extremely cringe 😂

[@ragingauroch1690]

I'm thinking of people who currently have some form of disability potentially using cybernetic replacements to overcome their limitations. I probably wouldn't undergo any alterations myself, regardless of cost, just because it's unnecessary in my life. Pursuing cybernetic enhancement is a no-brainer in my worthless opinion because of the opportunity to overcome birth defects, terminal illness, and injury that resulted in loss of a limb or or usability of motor functions/ sense in said limb

[@OrangeRiver]

@ragingauroch1690 Yeah I'm definitely on board with it for those reasons but probably wouldn't "upgrade" myself either

[@kaitlyn__L]

Are the interviews with the professors reused footage from one of your earliest videos? Looks familiar.

[@OrangeRiver]

This video is essentially an update of my 2019 documentary Teched Out 👍

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@OrangeRiver makes total sense. That’s what I thought as I got further through. Thanks for the confirmation!

[@jackschwartz1783]

No worries, we are going back to the Stone Age maybe Iron Age if we're lucky, in a few years.

[@Italianjedi7]

Yes. We are cyborgs already. The Singularity is happening; we just can’t see it until we look back Will technology end? Who knows

[@tonyanthony5105]

I wear glasses, even to bed, I feel like technically I’m like the lamest cyborg ever

[@Gurianthe]

no mentions of peacemakers or cochlear implants? 🙄🙄 discussions on this topic never seem to address this

[@OrangeRiver]

"We're enhanced by all sorts of devices..." I even show b roll of artificial limbs! Lol

[@shadw4701]

Idk about everyone becoming a cyborg but I think we'll reach a point where it becomes normalized and it may or may not become more common to be augmented than not

[@HiR0SHi.the.D0G]

I want to go all the way and become an android 🤖

[@Charlotte_Martel]

Once the neuro net or something like it becomes mainstream, it will likely be impossible to find a job w/o these implants. I just worry what will happen to those who are didabled and cannot afford upgrades/rental increases on their bionic limbs.

[@alexneff]

I hope so

[@clintholmes2061]

Will we all become cyborgs? Only if you let them.

[@DeconvertedMan]

Review "The Artifice Girl" (2022) :)

[@CyclicCipher]

Not a fan of cybernetics as anything other than a stopgap for until we can genetically engineer ourselves to have a feature naturally.

[@godemperor7742]

Someday, Yes! :)

[@threeofeight197]

You are Borg!

[@DeconvertedMan]

I welcome our new ai overlords.

[@The-future-is-in-the-past]

You are cattle

[@Anonymous-cr3wp]

I refuse to become a cyborg.

[@donhodgkinson6233]

We are post human already

[@symboleyes]

Just 'borgs

[@MrParondo]

Do you want to ? Or is nature still beautifull for you ?

[@MereanaM-]

fum its scam btw :D

[@theenchiladakid1866]

But can a person pass the Turing Test

[@flyingfoamtv2169]

Genetic modification is more likely.

[@kludgedude]

Plus eugenics

[@Darkcloudalpha]

I think most people's objections to new technologies and medical procedures (that are proven to work) pretty much start to disappear once they need them to treat a medical issue or extend their lives, Add in the ability to actually enhance your life and true cybernetics will spread quickly once it been proven.

[@2Potates]

We literally just went through a couple of years of vaccine skepticism by millions of people across the world regardless of whether or not it worked.

[@bartlester591]

I just watched a video talking about genetic engineering. cybernetic engineering on the human body is just as bad just as frightening and has lots of repercussions. Our technology out pieces are ability to morally cope with what you’re talking about and it’s things like Elon Musk idea to put a chip in peoples heads to be able to control objects that scare the hell out of me who to say that someone can’t flip a switch and some control room somewhere and you don’t become the puppet you become the puppet so I’m gonna be old-school here and I wanna die with as many of my own parts and pieces intact as possiblewe are becoming too dependent on machines gadgets in easy quick fixes. There is no quick fix in life.

[@BillAngelos]

your sponsor is bullshit. I'd rather you sell farts in a jar because they'd be a lot better for people than this shit.

[@davisgreen2099]

I disagree. I think AGI will be here by or before 2035!!😮

[@ninjarabbittmusic4754]

If you spend more than a couple of hours a day on the internet you are a cyborg.

[@DarthRevan2.0117]

nope, i wont submit. elon wont be allowe dor should be allwoed to change human dna.

[@paulaburrows8660]

Some will probably try and resist.

[@addictedtopiano]

great videos normally, but this one it one of your worst researched ones (IT pro for 20 years)

[@neila074]

You will be assimilated

[@jamesmelemede5610]

nope, did not enjoy

[@OrangeRiver]

...

[@jamesmelemede5610]

@@OrangeRiver Sorry I didn't mean to offend, just feedback, but love your channel. I think I prefer listening to you, but all the clips.......nsm

[@crazyassbobb]

"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."