Will we ever see the Blackwater Massacre?

[@angrysammich5762]

I personally love how shrouded in mystery the Blackwater incident was. I think it adds almost a level of depth to the characters involved that you never truly know how they acted during the heist, or if they were even there

[@pyroAdapt]

It would make a neat DLC to have it start a week before the massacre and everytime you complete a mission it has a time transition to the next day similar to the chapter changes but instead it says "6 days before Blackwater , 5 days before Blackwater" etc and it would have all this tense build up and context clues and would end after the group is scattered. Maybe even have it end with Macs death. You just have it cut to a scene of him being tortured and then Milton pulls the trigger and it cut 4:38 s to black.

[@DaisyChesneysGirlfriend]

Whether we see it or not I reckon it would’ve looked like the other 20 massacres that occurred during rdr2.

[@nicoffee777]

Well you have to consider the fact that 5 members of the gang got either killed, arrested or weren't seen again. Jenny and Davey died before Colter, Mac disappeared (Milton said they killed him but there's no evidence), Sean got arrested and well John gets rescued soon after Although we do hear Bill yell that the Saint Denis robbery is worse than the one in Blackwater

[@iamwhoiam7887]

Who steals a goddamned boy?

[@internetcutie]

something like Arthur, Micah and Bill vs the Grays in Rhodes but x10 and without Arthur. sounds like a bad day

[@leviksd]

@@nicoffee777 yeah st denis has gotta be worse, the literal co-father and senior of the gang died, along with the youth and future of the gang (lenny) and john getting arrested and having to be broken out of a federal prison

[@gabemyers4516]

@@leviksd I would say Saint Denis is worse for the gang but Blackwater was bad for the gang, Pinkertons, and innocents around the ferry

[@viewtifuljoe66]

if ever did red dead redemption 3, i like imagine it be another prequel, at the begining stages of the dutch gang, but after while it lead to time skip to very incident, which was begining of the end of dutch gang.

[@baldcerat6578]

Red dead redemption 3 will be about mac, since he’s the most talked about member that wasn’t directly shown.Furthermore, he also had a redemption at the end of his story sacrificing himself for the wellbeing of the gang, similar to what Arthur did for john

[@Zodiark303]

I don't know if Mac's death really fits into this idea of redemption. Charles mentions that both brothers died as bad men.

[@kickblastoff7718]

@@Zodiark303That’s how Charles felt he just had joined the gang like a month before the massacre everybody spoke pretty highly of Mac

[@Eustakista]

Rdr lll needs to be about jack running from the law (not wwl) Redemption? Sacrifed? Thats just fan canon

[@thearthurmarston9897]

Not gonna lie as much as I’d love to see it I’d rather not. Just seeing how traumatized and shaken the gang is by that event is enough for me. The entire mystery element of it makes it feel so much more haunting. Not every event has to be shown to the audience to have impact behind it.

[@descendantofartorias2067]

I've never wanted to see it because of this, as far as I'm concerned the stranger's description of it in Rdr1 is better than seeing it.

[@cristianlopez_8486]

I've gone back and forth on this a few times, but I do agree. The mystery of the Blackwater Massacre effectively leaves you thinking, "What the hell happened for this to go so wrong?". The details of the robbery are meaningless in the grand scheme of things. The impact, though, is what matters and is what we see throughout RDR2. That's why that unseen event is so significant and works so well in the story. Another good example of this kind of mystery story plot is (funny enough) the beginning of Ed Edd n' Eddy's Big Picture Show and the horrific aftermath of that botched scam.

[@shalashaska69420]

thats the weakness of people who want a third rdr, there are some things that are better said than shown

[@MLife1000]

Ditto 💯

[@dex337]

I’d rather keep the mystery if I’m being honest, that’s one of the reasons why Rockstar and Rdr1/Rdr2 is so great cause without them the games wouldn’t have been as interesting and as successful as it is, so hopefully we’ll never actually get to see it as much as I want to (just my opinion)

[@RedrumCrazy]

If RDR3 were ever to be announced I feel like it'd make sense to play as Davey Callander, the gang member that dies in Chapter 1 because of the black water massacre. Dutch or Hosea wouldn't make sense as the characters don't die to redeem themselves in RDR2. Perhaps Davey Callander could give us a chance to see what actually happened. But that's just me.

[@Whitename]

if rdr3 is another prequel, its probably going to follow mac as the protagonist

[@RedrumCrazy]

@Whitename ooo that's true, but I doubt we'll get a prequel or sequel the formula would get stale, I believe we'd get another character with the van Der linde gang mentioned here and there through out the story but not contributing to it.

[@Whitename]

@@RedrumCrazy jenny, who was lennnys girlfriend, idk if there are any others

[@kickblastoff7718]

Mac Calhander will probably be the next protagonist

[@RedrumCrazy]

@kickblastoff7718 orrrrr a rdr game with 2 protagonist? (They both die)

[@grugbunga2612]

I believe that since there isn’t much to still be done in a red dead REDEMPTION game they could do a red dead damnation or something that follows Dutch in the years between rdr2 and rdr1 spiraling further into madness with missions that are “ghosts of the past” including the black water robbery

[@METALGEARMATRIX]

Red Dead Damnation is a fucking TITLE my dude

[@jesussanchez7352]

You didn't have to go so hard 😮‍💨🔥

[@maxhaney_11]

Bro apply for a job at rockstar right now

[@john_something_or_other]

What a magnificently dreadful idea!

[@thewoogs]

RDR2 was the fall of the Van der Linde gang make RDR3 the rise, start with Arthur as a teenager watching his Father being hanged. Lotta opportunity to show off Dutch and Hosea being Father-figures

[@sp1cychick3nsamm1ch9]

I’ve never believed in the Mandela Effect, although I will go to my grave with the vivid memory of seeing a RDR2 preorder bonus of getting to play the Blackwater mission, I even remember thinking “That’s stupid, they will eventually let everybody play that mission for free”. I even remember the in-game picture of the mission advertisement showing the Main Street of Blackwater

[@Indieindrocan]

Wow cool

[@Way2Cool-l7q]

Yeah if you check the leaderboards video about facts about red dead Redemption 2 it does say the black water mission opens up the gam and that we would play through it.

[@RomanCigić]

Simply put, Devs wanted to put it but decided not to. It happens

[@stewpid4410]

Interesting...

[@eliroberts4082]

I think rdr3 should follow Mac Callender showing things like how Micah joined the gang and have his final mission as the Blackwater massacre and showing his “philosophy” speech to Milton Maybe to join the games together have Arthur as the playable character as they escape to the mountains and burying Jenny Kirk and stuff like that

[@billcipher3946]

Or it would be cool to play as Indian tribe character.

[@cbii1183]

Macs redemption could be him giving Arthur his horse since boadecia died

[@Aus_Farm_Rydes]

I have had the same idea as playing as Mac or even Davey where the end of the game is Blackwater fairy and the start as when they join the gang until the fairy

[@Sorax3_12]

It would make sense as a DLC, not a full game tho

[@gwaponino]

RDR1: The Calamity and Aftermath of the gangs downfall RDR2: Witnessing the downfall RDR3: Early humble beginnings and robin hood themed game (Headcanon)

[@G4MER28]

Thru Theory alone, I reckon rdr3, if there is one, will be about the events not too long before RDR2 and I feel we may be playing as Mac Callender. If this is the case then the blackwater massacre will be the final mission in normal gameplay. Maybe Mac did not die and we play as him in the end game too? Maybe Milton just lied to Arthur about killing Mac to rile them up and scare them? Maybe Milton killed who he THOUGHT was Mac? it was show in rdr2 that Milton dont really know who is who in the gang aside from Dutch and Arthur.

[@stezzy2.016]

Interesting thought considering he didn’t know who John was despite being in the game almost as long as Arthur

[@lucasludwig2347]

Milton lying would be out of his character, though.

[@0902_]

​@@lucasludwig2347How?There's still a potential chance of him lying about Micah being a rat only after Guarma.It's a pretty big chance so yeah it wouldn't be outta his character.Besides, what made you think so?

[@daghettoghost5539]

I think if we see the blackwater massacar we will finally know if duch was insane from the start or wether he was true to the principles he always spouted to the rest of the gang

[@TeeBeeDee]

The answer is very obviously the former, seeing the massacre wouldn't answer this at all.

[@delanovanraalte3646]

i think its better to be left to interpretation and to keep being seen in arthurs perspective which is that he decended into madness doing that will take away from arthurs story and weaken the story a bit

[@ORLY911]

personally if they made a Red Dead 3 i want it to be a new cast of characters, but with the Van Der Linde gang being a force within the game either opposed to the player or just coinciding events. Like maybe at a point in the game we go to Blackwater for a deal and all we see is the gang members attempting to flee with an army of Pinkertons following them into the hills, with dead bodies everywhere and buildings on fire, and a sinking steam ship.

[@stewpid4410]

You read my mind! I was thinking of maybe in the perspective of the opposing sides, either pinkertons, lawmen, or some random outlaw as a protagonist.

[@Arm2tr0ng]

Not much is known about the cause of the battle, only that it involved several lawmen and outlaws. This is likely due to the fact that most of the civilians present didn't know what started the battle and the police have since covered up most of the story. It is possible that much of the story has changed over time and the massacre is known as more of a myth than an actual event because of the mystery surrounding it. This was the origin of the massacre in RDR1 Rockstar forgot their own story.

[@adamcrook4611]

I'd prefer if Red Dead 3 was the story of Jack OR the story of another gang.

[@anz2441]

The problem with an old west game with Jack is that ur talkin 1911 and beyond. That is not considered old west minus a few places in the western states. Post civil war to 1880s is the old west including cattle drives.

[@PassivesAbseits]

Too be honest: the "The Blackwater Massacre would have to be bigger, than anything in RDR2" point, is just an Open World Game Desing Flaw, that has to be ignored. You just need insane shootouts, to propose a challenge to the player. Thus these shootouts always get insanely huge, when in reality, you should only kill 4 guys. But that wouldn't be fun. Let me explain that by the size of the O'Driscall Gang: You can shoot up a dozen minor or major camps of them, without them ever losing any strength. They can throw waves of their minions at your camp, and still don't miss a beat. But that is the only way, they can be a threath to the player. That is, why the Massacre should stay a mystery: There is no way, you can make it, as bad at as it should be, without afterwards asking: Why could Arthur still set foot into any region in RDR2?

[@Ronin-pt8ei]

I just hope red dead 3 isn’t tied to the gang cuz I think they’re story is done

[@DarthSkywalker14]

We need some Jack ngl

[@lewisjohnston7077]

Unless it's in their early days

[@theneweraofmusic5578]

Then it wouldn’t be “Red Dead Redemption” it would have a completely new title. If you’re going that route.

[@Scania.hobbyproject]

Rdr3 is going to be about jack trying to learn how to swim, but he will eventually drown. In the epilogue we play as jack's daughter who finally learns to swim

[@keveardo]

*their

[@puzzlej7592]

i think it could work if it was like the gta san andreas introduction movie. basically they made a short movie to show the events that led up to the gta san andreas story. and even showed the green sabre drive by that killed carls mom and was the event that caused cj to go back to los santos. i think rockstar could have done something similar. a 30 minute movie showing the gang prepare and take part in the heist. and then end with them packing up and fleeing to ambarino.

[@iceluvndiva21]

If we ever get a rdr3 & get a mission focusing blackwater? Then *We need to play as the person who was there & haven't had the perspective of!* that means no John as a playable character ANYWHERE! Now narrative speaking? I'd prefer playing as Javier in the main plot & Hosea in the epilogue. But the game itself would need to focus on HOW the gang got founded, meeting each character that was in the gang BEFORE rdr 1 & 2. (aka no Sadie, keirn, or Jack)

[@alexanderblitz4569]

My ideal RDR3 is that it shows the gangs beginnings and ends at Blackwater and for the epilogue goes right to Jack as an adult like he was in RDR1 and maybe have something for him like John in RDR2 epilogue

[@john_something_or_other]

What a magnificently dreadful idea!

[@earnem4175]

No, Van Der Linde gang is over, they're arc is done, all the characters die. If we need a sequel, new character.

[@Drexzzz4]

​@@earnem4175Nah not really Mac and Davey could be the protagonist for the next game and to be honest with you I hate to break to ya but it might not be no jack as the protagonist for the next game or any new characters because rockstar has put a lot of mentions of Mac callnder and how he saved Arthur during the massive shootout and was a skillful fighter and this is cut dialogue from the game so mac might be the protagonist for next game

[@earnem4175]

@@Drexzzz4 Mac and Davey were explained to be assholes and liabilities. A new character who dies, and actually redeems himself is what we need.

[@Drexzzz4]

@@earnem4175 ye but they weren't just assholes to they had a heart

[@UndeadAaronGames]

I don't think Rockstar will ever make another game after gta6 at this point. It's clear all they care about is live service and Microtransactions. If Red Dead 3 actually happens, it will probably be Pay-to-reload

[@AB-mw8oz]

No we shouldn't ambiguity is what drives the story forward

[@tonyneville4425]

Gavin was sighted in Blackwater at the time of the Blackwater massacre

[@Lupo32]

MAC CALLANDER

[@MrGamer-lz4yy]

I want them to add a DLC that is only for the time the gang spent in blackwater

[@Union_Jack_official]

"Hosea is the oldest in the camp" *uncle has left the chat*

[@Sorax3_12]

We don't know uncles age since he never says it

[@dolodu]

We'll never see it bc John can't swim. So how'd he get off the ferry? Unless it was still in port but I don't it

[@dolodu]

That's why he's not in any of the boat missions in rd2

[@enigma7310]

*The only way they can narrate what happened visibly on the blackwater massacar is if they start it off as you playing as a random civilian to then get suprised by the vanderlinde gang on the ferry seeing how it plays out since Arthur, and Hosea wasn't there....in a dlc or in another game as a intro...*

[@badassuchiha4875]

We could really get a kick out of a Red Dead Movie Game of the massacre like how GTA does it tells you a Storyline

[@Moodo76]

We will never get to see RDR3, if we did it would probably be about Jack Marston and the era he lives in and that is far away from the wild west. Perhaps it could follow a young Dutch and the way he forms the gang but I don't see that happening. If a game ever will be made, it'll probably be a story parallel to what we have seen so far.

[@atlasprime6193]

I love how mysterious it was, because with the disastrous heist in Saint Denis that had everyone massacring the police force, it just makes you wonder how BAD it goes for the people in Blackwater.

[@suxix7312]

How can you say that? Rdr3 with a young Arthur and the gangs beginnings would definitely be a game I would want to play!!! I would also like to play a game with 1920 and 30s cars in it so maybe we get lucky and Rockstar does both eventually!

[@Sorax3_12]

But that will defeat the purpose of read dead REDEMPTION, Arthur and John get their redemption arcs during their games

[@GamingSkeptic]

I really wanna see what happened. Maybe we could play as Mac or Jenny before they joined the gang. We all know how they died but they would give us a new perspective

[@cookie0456]

At the end of whatever Red Dead they gonna bring out, they need to show us a cutscene of the blackwater massacare just for closure lol

[@Pigerie_Smigerie]

It's probably the same if not worse than the saint denis bank robbery.

[@AnonymousEnigma19]

I think that's what the next Red Dead Redemption will be how the game is formed up to what happened in Blackwater, with you playing a different character each chapter starting with a young Hosea than a young Dutch and etcetera.

[@Tipzyyy]

i highly doubt this would ever happen BUT if there were ever a red dead redemption movie. A movie of the blackwater massacre would be perfect

[@albertodotjpeg]

During the bank robbery in Saint Denis I think it’s Micah that says “this is worse than blackwater!” during the shootout. This always stood out to me because it either puts in perspective how the massacre was or Micah was just being dramatic in comparing the two events.

[@shadowboy6383]

U just made eme want to speedrun the game

[@markmagician2471]

Should been a DLC

[@calsweeney9116]

Black water heist would’ve been a great online mission at the end of the story

[@Codyb162]

One question I always have is if we ever have this final story mission where would that put player next in game because usually with open world you still can explore do what ever you want the game doesn’t end but if that’s the case it would overlap with the red dead 2 story because it takes place directly after the events of black water so I wondering what would the post game content of this possible game look like

[@petermartyn5440]

maybe play as landon ricketts in epilogue

[@sarahnovak3766]

@@petermartyn5440I thought the same thing, since he was rumored to have been a part of the massacre as well

[@justinalberts1879]

If we weren’t gonna get an Undead Nightmare 2, I think a good SP DLC would’ve been letting us playthrough the days before and during the BWM, switching perspectives of both John and Arthur throughout

[@suxix7312]

Dutches bounty found at Michas camp by strawberry says he's worth $1000.

[@Peter-dk8vl]

I would love if rdr3 would be us playing as a young pinkerton agent set to track down the vanderlind gang sometime before blackwater. i think it would be super interesting to see the vanderlind gang from their perspective, and they might have information about dutch and hosea that the gang dosent know, and that could really show the darker sides of the gang and that the time before blackwater never was as rosey at its sometimes described.

[@NeverKetamine]

Going back to the size of the blackwater shootout, it's a little inconsistent. If i remember correctly fewer than 50 people were killed in the gunfight, somewhere around 47, I believe. Throughout both RDR games we have much larger shootouts than that but those events don't get the same kind of attention as Blackwater. That always bothered me a little.

[@licorice5266]

Before rdr2 they were a gang helping good people out, I think they could do a really good little more positive story then have a prologue with everything turning sideways building up to blackwater massacre setting up for rdr2

[@TygerClawGaming]

I doubt Rockstar will show the entire event, I could see them having a couple of flashbacks to key points in the robbery maybe if in RDR 3 they have it be a child of one of the Dutch Gang. I think to me they kind of have to use someone who has some connection to Dutch and his crew RDR isn't like GTA where every game has had a different location and different protagonist who are loosely, if at all connected.

[@digitaal_boog]

A story of javier before he joined the gang would be a good premise for a third game

[@Jordilaia1]

Bill, during the bank robbery in Saint Dennis said that was worst than Blackwater In RDR3 i want to see a really old west story, with Landon Rickets or Boy Calloway, that would be hillarious

[@The_Future_isnt_so_Bright]

RDR3 will be Sadie Adler finds time traveling dudes portal and is transported to the future to help Aloy fight Nemesis.

[@pshpsh5247]

They won't show it but we do know for a fact it was all performance captured and recorded. It has been stated multiple times by the actors that in the cut prologue the whole heist was meant to play out. They said they performance captured and recorded cutscenes and everything. People have asked them to say what happened but they can't say a thing. All of these things are in Rockstar vaults somewhere, and the full story of what happened is there never to be released.

[@drewengel7073]

I think we forget that we technically see the Massacre shown four times in the Valentine, Rhodes, St. Dennis, and Lakay. All four each have some part of what led to the massacre: the gang arrives in Blackwater and makes too much noise altering the Pinkertons who set an ambush for the robbery.

[@parrey1985]

I hope it's never a mission. Because it's a mission we would have to loose

[@martinvannostrand8488]

Maybe it doesn’t have to be in the next game, but it would be cool if rockstar put out a little movie of it. Like a 10-15 minute cutscene type of animation that just tells the story, so we know what happened but we don’t need to dwell on it for a whole game. That will never happen, but I can dream

[@Rebelgoose]

I actually have a feeling that they will show it in RDR3, and part of the reason I believe that is because a lot of the people that worked on RDR1 and 2, wont be there in say 2026 when they start working on the game (Dan Houser being one of them). So they wont really understand that an event like the Blackwater massacre might be best to not show, but they know that if they can put it in the trailers, RDR3 will get a lot of hype. Just my 2 cents

[@pyroAdapt]

Honestly I think it's one of those things that is as legendary as it is among fans because of its mystery. With that in mind I think it works better shrouded in that mystery. We don't n we to see it we have heard enough to know it was a very traumatic event for anyone present for it. All though I do think there's a chance they could incorporate it into the online story if or when they continue that which they totally could and I believe they will. I've never bought into that RIP RDRO crybaby hysteria. They have all the money in the world and Red Dead Online sfan baee is still going strong. There's nothing stopping them from returning to it if they really want to.

[@speedcreep2605]

I think the myth The Blackwater Massacre has grown to a level such that it can't be shown in a way that would stand up to the hype. It's better left a "legend" than actually witnessed.

[@unitedempire6273]

I wonder if that hostage scene with Dutch and John, in RDR1 is almost how the Blackwater massacre, specifically the Heidi McCort part went. There may be no Micah, but it might be a somewhat accurate retelling of the events.

[@jrzurmanful]

Rd3 should allow players to control charles and sadie....Charles moves to canada, starts a family, and becomes the leader of a tribe. A gang of hunters similar to the Skinner brothers attack his settlement, and his wife and child are kidnapped, forcing him to track them down and save them. Meanwhile, in South America, Sadie runs a gold mining and prospecting business and gets entangled win a beef with a colombian crime lord... Something along those lines

[@eduardoFIFA]

Maybe the very end of RDR3 could be that heist, and we can finally be apart of it

[@ashenking5013]

Been wanting a Prologue: Blackwater with Mac as the protagonist. Doesn’t look like it’s going to happen. If it’s the final mission of RDR3, how is post game free roaming going to work?

[@Westsideaviation23]

Rdr3 play as Mac and die at the end of the game in traditional red dead fashion

[@coachleif]

I don't really want it explicitly laid out, we as the player experience it as Arthur did, and he will never have every question answered about Blackwater

[@scottdeniro4231]

When it comes to RDR3, R* is never going to have us play as a character where we already know their ending, and every single member of the gangs end is either visually shown to us or specifically told to us through dialogue. That only leaves us with Jack. Jack's story whether it be enlisting in the military or through some other plot point needs to eventually achieve his "Redemption" so that everything the gang sacrificed (specifically John and Arthur) wasn't for absolutely nothing. I know another prequal would be nice and can fill in a lot of holes but it serves the story far less then showing us Jack trying to live on for John and Arthur. An ending to John/Arthur/Jack's story which can only assume would be 20ish years in the making based off the release date of RDR1 is THE correct way to end the Van Der Linde gang story. The way we are left with Jack at the end of RDR1 (Gunslinger like his father and Arthur) spits on everything they went through to make sure he survived and lived a better life. I know based off these first two games we think that every Red Dead game has to end in utter tragedy, but it doesn't. Jack's Redemption gives every character the happy ending they deserved and that we as viewers deserve after leaving the first two games absolutely destroyed with grief.

[@NoPrxssure]

As bill would say “ o it’s just one of them things”

[@thebigmilk7407]

If we do get a game that covers what happened in Blackwater, then I hope its about another gang that was also there. Maybe we play as a member who has their own redemption arc, that ends up in Blackwater on the day of the massacre and meets their end at that time.

[@asiagroavacadro8973]

I wouldnt mind playing as dutch and the ending of the 3rd game would be the blackwater massacre. Clearly dutch was a good man in his gangs eyes and they respected him so it would be cool to see how and why that respect really formed until the first crack happens with the whole blackwater thing. Although i feel like the actual meaning behind a game like this would t tie into the whole redemption thing because dutch never has a redemption and certainly didnt have anything like that in blackwater so i 100% dont think theyd go that route but it would still be cool.

[@niemehrcdu380]

The Vanderlinde gang is directly tied to the RDRedemtion series. But not to red dead as a whole. I wish for a new red dead game, but not for another red dead redemption. There are enough words in the english language that start with r to make it happen. Since not everyone knows, the Red dead series started with Red Dead Revolver before Red Dead redemption.

[@BH02377]

Lol. Red Dead Reckoning or some nonsense.

[@lupddup]

Red dead randy

[@earnem4175]

@@BH02377 You might just made a new title, Red Dead Reckoning sounds sick actually

[@herogameplayz2133]

I think it would be nice to see a movie of what happened that could be considered loosely canon.

[@MrAppleSalad]

I think it'd make a lot of sense if RDR3 let us play as *Micah.* I think that'd be a really interesting perspective.

[@joedwyer3297]

There has to be some link between the games I honestly think if someone went to Australia, sadie or charles for example, and we play as some random guy with a majority new story and idea but we meet them as that link between old and New Red dead it could be a brilliant way to open up the series I agree they really need to move the majority of the focus off of dutch and the gang although maybe there could be some parts of the game that take us to América and dutch is this shadowy evil in the background that we hear of but don't see much of Also you mentioned the strange man, they really need have something about him however small

[@WalkDownDennis]

Why tf would we want to go to Australia?? That doesn’t even make sense

[@Casshio]

I think it'd be interesting to see what happens from the perspective of the Calender Boys.

[@masonmoorer5105]

red dead descension - Dutches story and the game ends with black water massacre for rdr3

[@lycansoldier9512]

I think that the gangs story came to a close after John died. As much as I’d like to see the events that led up to the Blackwater massacre, I think the story wouldn’t feel fulfilling even if we played as a new character. I would still like to continue the story of Jack Marston and what happens to him once he left home after Abigail died. Yeah it would be during the time of the First World War when Jack is out on his own. But think about it, Jack was raised by a gang of thieves and killers and then transitioned to be a ranchers son during RDR 1, and witnessing his fathers death, then killed the man who killed his father. After that, we don’t know anything else. After all Jack is the last surving member of the Van Der Linde gang, although he was just a boy, he was still a member. I’d like to see Jack enlisting in the Army and meeting new characters that were present during the ferry raid. But during that time they were jacks age in RDR 2. Let’s say Heidi McCourt who Dutch shot, had a son who was about Jacks age and saw his mother brutally murdered. Then years later Jack hears stories about the gang he was in when he was a boy. I mean that would be very interesting and we can still play as a character we’re familiar with but that’s just my opinion

[@MommyMinty]

I think the Blackwater Massacre is much like the Dwemer disappearing in the Elder Scrolls. You'll always see details but you won't learn the full truth.

[@mrkemrk]

Arthur as a kid up to the Blackwater Massacre.

[@backforblood3421]

The games were released over eight years apart, but I think the story telling differing has less to do with that than other factors.

[@PhilipHardy-s1p]

I honestly believe it will go back further in history and you end up playing as Arther's father until he somehow dies because it is made out that he was also an outlaw And then you end up playing as a young Arther in the last few missions in the epilogue leading up towards the blackwater heist.... 👍👍👍 I swear to fuck that's what would make sense

[@suxix7312]

Blackwater explanation would make a really good DLC. Not it's own game.

[@Ethan-rs8vh]

in rdr3 we should play as mac with young arthur and Jhon and the last mission is the blackwater masacre

[@GanymedeBoy]

Where was Charles? If they continue with the story, the massacre could be shown in a flashback.

[@mrboomsnook3671]

easy answer: *no* If it was a DLC for Red Dead Online however potentially?

[@Tsudkyk]

I think the mystery of the blackwater massacre gives it a feeling of wild west lore. I hope to see rockstar leave this storyline behind and give us a brand new map of the oregon territory. The landscape would be beautiful, diverse with a coast line boundary on one side and large mountains on the other - with forests, rivers, towns and desert in between. The game can take place during the same time frame as rdr2, our character could hear rumors about the gang and read about the black water massacre in the news paper.

[@tak8854]

I dont think we will ever get answers for all questions, because then people would've stopped talking about the game so much.

[@loudelk99]

Rockstar will most likely leave the Blackwater massacre to the imagination of the players.

[@fiizkenfiizk7645]

I think they should do a movie about it, or a series. Like WoW or arcane. Would be cool

[@point0case144]

Wouldn't that be a bit pointless? The game is already a pretty cinematic experience, going as far as to add an actual cinematic camera accessible at all times

[@chinchristiansantos3601]

RDR3 won't make sense. But a back story for Arthur probably titled as "Morgan" or "Arthur" will. Then the game will end with the black water ferry job. Rockstar will make money with that game specially Arthur now is being crowned as the greatest rockstar protagonist of all time.

[@Mr.Unfair]

Sadie and charles would be my bet for possible protagonist of a new red dead

[@hectormora6814]

I’m here to tell you that the massacre will be a final mission in RDR3 😎! Maybe Dutch getting everyone together and raising Arthur and jack while giving us more of their background stories through crimes or whatever they had going on in those times !

[@sidegrabsheriff]

Kind of thought they were going to release it as a dlc or something

[@tikkidaddy]

Well Cynic, taking into consideration what people call a "massacre" now, ya know two hang nails a shoe lace comes untied and Grandma gets ran over by a rain deer and what would be viewed as a massacre in 1899, when people saw children die at birth so you had a LOT more kids to run farms etc, I think Dutch and company damn near wiped out the town of Blackwater. Very much like the town of Tull in Stephen Kings Dark Tower series Book One titled "The Gunslinger" . These people were USED to seeing death back then ...it would take a hell of a mess for them to react like that...wagons full of people of all ages, races, religions...just almost a wipe out

[@SawyerFools]

We definitely should never see or know what happens.

[@970357ers]

My guess: The Blackwater robbery was meant to fail; for Dutch & Mica’s benefit. Possible Dutch himself was the rat; hell-bent on chaos.

[@loganbarrett2917]

Rdr3 will be another pre squeal and you'll play as young Dutch or hosa, the people asking for completely new characters and a new story need to go play gta, rdr is a story and it's not done yet, we literally know nothing of the Origins of the gang and you think Rockstar is rlly gonna just leave all that to mystery lol... going even further back in time would give them unlimited territory to Introduce new characters to characters we love, everyone keeps saying the gangs story is finished and your right it is finished but we didnt see how it started

[@suomiku4361]

My opinion to the video title. We will see what happens in black water in the end of the rdr3 when it comes out, bcause the future of rdr is endet when arthur and jonh died. Unless jack is the maincaracter in the future games, but my suspission is that the story goes backwards so as i earlyer sayed, i will think if and when the rdr3 comes out, rdr3 story will end blackwater massacer and to the rdr2 story´s start. Btw sorry for bad eng, not my first language.

[@blubaugh69]

At this point if RDR3 doesn’t end with the blackwater massacre then what is even the point of a third game???

[@RedBeardJohnny61]

Hopefully not because it be cool to focus on Jack and the timline be in the 1920s with the automobile industry

[@mateusz92380]

Well, rdr 2 is before rdr 1 so maybe rdr 3 will show us the massacre and end when gang runs to the mountains.