Old Vs New! Echo Battery Chainsaws CCS-58V4AH Vs DCS-5000

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Check out the new Echo 56v in real world testing here! kzbin.info/www/bejne/a52wYZynib2KY80

[@bsugarman1]

Thanks so much for your great description and demonstration of these saws. I was hesitant to go with the Echo but, after watching your work, I felt much more informed and bought one, can't wait to use it. Thank you!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for watching!

[@Pastaman350]

Great video, I had just bought the 56V thinking it was the 58V, not realizing it was a newer model. I had planned on taking it back tomorrow until I had watched your video. I will keep it now. Thanks for your time in making this video. It was a big help to me.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for watching!

[@TeddysVentures]

I love my 56V Echo as a homeowner. It does a great job for residential purposes.

[@thomasngo3746]

The voltage of the new battery and the old battery is actually the same. The voltage is variable, fully charged is close 59 v and discharged battery is about 52v. So they can call it any voltage from 52 to 58. To compare the battery you should compare the wattage, because the wattage is the unit of energy and it cannot be change. volt and amp can be change around. the old battery has 204 w and the new one has 252 w. The same thing for power tool, Dewalt named their battery 20v and everyone else is 18v, but they are actually the same. fully is charge is 21v and discharged is 18 v.

[@markwalter3678]

I have both of these saws. Been using the "old" for 5+ years and the new for 3+/- weeks. Your assessment is spot on, and I learned a couple of things. Great video!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for watching!

[@morislemus8665]

Does the 56v get enough oil to the bar and chain ?..just asking bc I've seen a few comments saying that leaks a lot but the bar and chain don't get enough oil ....

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I haven’t had any issues with not enough oil

[@luchaDor]

I also have both the 58V & 56v Echo chainsaws. The 58V is fine...I've pushed mine way more than most I suspect, partially clearing a 2 acre wooded lot. I would have 4+ hour recharge times as the batteries needed hours of time just to cool down before they'd accept a charge again. Its only quick under very idea conditions. It is unfortunate that the 58V line up is now a dead product line. (Also, my 58V batteries shut off anytime they feel like it, pull & reinsert and everything works again.) The 58V line was a licensed Echo product line by TTI using the Echo name, that agreement ended, so Echo now has their own 56V line. In 2022 onward, you want to buy the Echo 56V line.

[@abodao]

The was a great, very detailed, review and comparison to the older saw. No mention of oil leaks that plague other saws.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Saws leaking oil is common, some do and some don’t even the same exact model of saw some will and some won’t, these do leak some but not really bad, the best thing to do is dump as much of the oil out as you can when you go to store it so it doesn’t have any to leak out

[@wheelstandr]

I grew up harvesting and splitting firewood. After seeing your equipment, I had to see what it would take to have the same. Wow! You have some serious money invested in that set up! I never used to like doing it as a kid. Everything was really heavy and hard work! If I had you're set up, I'd really enjoy it. You are the king of this category. I live in northern Minnesota and have never seen anything close!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah it is a bit of investment but time is limited with all the projects around the property, so when I cut and split wood I need to be able to do it efficiently as possible, make it a lot more enjoyable when you can have fun and get work done lol. Thanks for watching

[@wheelstandr]

@@WilliamsonRidge That’s a wood stackers dream you’ve got there. Glad I got to see it. If log splitters were cars, that would be a Ferrari.

[@markwalter3678]

Also, two notes on both saws: 1) to maintain productivity two batteries are needed and, 2) the V58 battery charges significantly faster than the V56.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

For sure, you can get a rapid charger for the 56v but you have to buy it extra, wish they would make it a kit but oh well.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

Excellent video. Great comparison. The 58V battery deal is so weird to me. TTI somehow had liscensing from ECHO to make the 58V line of battery powered equipment. They decided to use the 14S cells calculated at max 4.15V per cell to get the 58V pack. All other 14S packs that I know of like EGO and the newer ECHO are simpky using 4V to calculate as 56V? I don't know if it was just marketing hype or not, but it is obviously still the same number of cells (14) in series. The newer ECHO 56V if truly designed and made by ECHO should be much better made, atleast one would hope!

[@viperstrike3827]

I can hear the motor turning faster in the newer saw, this means it is wound tighter with finer wire. More torque more efficiency more heat. It seems that the new saw has thermal protection that shut it down! The old saw probably has larger wire in the motor it sounds like it it turning slower = less heat won't quit on you!

[@davidsteep]

After watching your videos on this saw I purchased the 56 volt a few days ago. I worked for 3 hours and the saw was fantastic. I would make 4 or 5 cuts of 10-12" birch and then put the saw down for a few minutes to move logs, brush and trees around - and then repeat over and over again. Because you are never just standing in one spot making continuous cuts like you did in this video the saw lasts much longer in real life conditions. I worked for 3 hours this way before the battery quit. Once I have a second battery I can easily see the saw outlasting my own endurance. I have a 42cc gas chainsaw and this was very similar in terms of power, torque and speed of cuts - but no fussing with gas and oil. Thanks for your informative videos on this saw.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah I have so many questions on how long does the battery last? That’s hard to answer because it all depends on how you use the saw, if you do like you are it lasts plenty of time to charge another battery and just switch them back and forth, if you have a situation where you can use it constantly It dramatically reduces that time, but you still get plenty of production.

[@andreygarin5277]

Хочу купить такую,но проблемы с логистикой.

[@wheelstandr]

You did a great job on this video. Glad I found it. Thanks for posting.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching!

[@loveracing1988]

All fine and dandy until it stops working. Went to use my 58v echo and it spins for 2 seconds and quits. Hopefully that 5 year echo warranty is useful.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

True but gas saws can have issues too. And if they aren’t ran during winter and fuel stabilizer isn’t added then can have carb issues every year.

[@loveracing1988]

@@WilliamsonRidge yes and no. A gas saw can be fixed with some fresh gas and some carb clean IF it has problems. A battery saw is garbage until it sees a dealer and then hopefully they can fix it or replace it with something that works. When my echo decided not to work the other day thr backup saw came out. A mcculloch pm605 from at least the mid 1980's that has sat since may and before that had sat for 4 or 5 years. Put some fresh 5 year old mixed gas in it and it fired up the second pull. I'm trying really hard to hop on the battery train, I've had this echo since February of 2019 and it might have 2 total run hours on it. I have a cub cadet electric zero turn that I couldn't use for 3 months last year because it was at the dealer for the mower deck not working. The bugs need to be worked out of this stuff or no one is going to ever switch.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I agree totally, I still like gas better, but have had good luck running battery equipment, no major problems just minor finicky things, and no way can battery replace gas for all day work, batteries cost way to much and take to long to charge, but they are making a place for themselves, but still have a long way to go to get to the quality and durability of a pro gas saw.

[@SlickCat]

The old one is quieter and a bit more compact. The new one has the metal teeth and chain adjustment I like. I'd be happy with the old one though.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

The old one is good, but the more I use the new 56v the more I like it.

[@sam-ww1wk]

You'd be happy until the battery cuts out and you have to reset it 500 times. Out of 4 batts I have for it, the saw only likes one of them.

[@timrichardsatsea]

Good job. It’d be nice to have a follow up on this where you report back after running the new one down through 4 or 5 full charges to see if it acts up and shuts itself down again. Might be a thermal protection feature, but not great if you’re trying to do a days work.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks yeah I’ll be having some updates on it.

[@sandyk6657]

I did extensive research on battery powered saws and watched the Project Farm comparison test in which the Echo did very well The DCS-5000 is hard to beat for performance and value. I picked up one today but have not used it. I have two gas powered Echo chainsaws, so this is overkill, but wanted a battery powered saw due to less maintenance, less noise and no starting issues. I will use it for smaller jobs. The only real issues I see with battery saws are being battery powered, the batteries run down, they won't be as fast as a big gas saw and I don't know how long the batteries will last. I saw the 5 AH battery by itself at Home Depot and it was $199. If they don't last many, many years, it will be more expensive than a gas saw for sure - way more.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah batteries are ridiculous, I have folks message me all the time that the way to eliminate overheating Batteries and runtime issues is to have three or four to switch out all the time, have they not seen the price of the batteries, lol.

[@sandyk6657]

I used the Echo DCS-5000 today for the first time for the small limbing stuff on a tree I had to take down. It quit working after 5-10 minutes of use and I never could get it to come back on. It showed one bar was not lite up on the battery. I processed the tree with my Echo 370 and Echo 4910 gas saws and got the job done. I took the battery powered saw to Home Depot and got a full refund. I will stick with gas on chainsaws. My gas saws were fantastic to use. The CS4910 was new and first time to use it. Ran and performed flawlessly and it's light and has a lot of power. And at half the cost of a comparable Stihl chainsaw.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Wow hate to hear that, must have gotten a bad one, I am still very happy with mine I can use it for long periods when limbing a tree usually cut 75 or 100 cuts on the smaller 4-8 inch limbs

[@sandyk6657]

@@WilliamsonRidge Yes, turned me off to battery powered saws. I took that one and another gas powered Echo back to Home Depot for full refunds and bought a Stihl gas powered saw. Those Stihls are pricey.

[@dhansel4835]

That's the 'Smart' battery. It has battery management system. The battery is Lipo or Nickle metal Hydride. Battery technology is emerging.

[@kristinejackson8268]

It looked like about the same time with both of them. You should get another guy and have a race too see what one is faster?

[@trooper5157]

Great video and review... lot of work clearly went into it. Its been a few months now, hows that 56v DCS5000 holding up? Was looking at getting one this week and was curious how yours has been doing since the video got posted. Thanks!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks! It’s doing great, it pretty much is my “go to” battery saw now, it has a great combination of power, speed, and battery life.

[@trooper5157]

@@WilliamsonRidge Ended up going with the new 2022 Dewalt DCCS672x1. It's an 18" bar on a 60 volt saw with a standard 9ah battery. Bucking spikes are steel, and sharp. Saw handles very well and cuts like a champ. Don't know how it would stack up against the Echo but I'm happy with what Dewalt has put into this new 2022 line of 60volt tools.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah i bet that’s a nice one! I have one of the 20” models on order can’t wait to get it and try it out

[@travisfrady6931]

If you get time I'd like to see how the 58V does with the .050 chain. I hated the mini chain that came with it.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah I may do that to see if it can handle it and maybe how it effects the runtime

[@Redneck_Ed]

I have the 56V saw and the chain on it is also very small. I think that is because both the 58V and 56V Echo products have low profile chains. The difference in gauge of of .043" for the 58V vs .050" for the 56V isn't' going to change the tooth size. I'm not an expert on this, but that's my understanding of the chain specs. The teeth on my gas saw are not LP and are much larger than on the Echo's LP chain.

[@ericriel6563]

Im interested by the 56v but im little bit confused about the fact you have to take off the battery and put it back at the last test, i thing this is not gonna be better with the time

[@lvoss2534]

If you are running further tests, and are willing to swap things around, I’d like to know how th 56V runs with a standard Oregon bar and chain. Long term if this saw is going to fit in my lineup would be nice if it would drive standard chain like all my other saws.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’ll keep that in mind for a future video, definitely going to be testing more, I’m curious how it would do also, I just preordered a dewalt 20” don’t know the chain size yet but they claim 4hp and twice the torque of a 50cc gas, stay tuned for that one also.

[@modarkthemauler]

Both battery saws come with echo branded Oregon bars and chains. The bar mount is just echo. You can put any bar on it you want as long as the mount fits and it's 3/8lp. I have the CCS-58V4AH.

[@davidpeterson2778]

Have you done an Atlas vs Echo electric chainsaw comparison?

[@WilliamsonRidge]

No, not yet but stay tuned I’d like to try to put that together soon

[@JustinCrediblename]

really good job. thanks!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks!

[@loujacobs9291]

Thanks so much for this video! Does it leak oil when not being used? Do you need to drain the oil out between uses? Im a wood turner, and I’m looking for a saw to keep I the car for when I come across turning wood in the side of the road.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah it leaks, best to drain when not in use or store on its side, that helps, I have 12 chainsaws and they all leak, that would be great if a company would come out with one that doesn’t have that issue.

[@loujacobs9291]

Thanks for your quick reply! Curiously, I have a Husqvarna gas saw (455 Rancher) which does not leak. I wonder if this is a characteristic of the battery powered saws, though a friend has told me his GreenWorks saw does not leak.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I have a stihl MS500i and echo 7310 and 590 and a few different stihl gas saws and they all leak to some extent,some worse than others, so I just expected it from the battery saws, I would say some may just do better than others even the same models of saw

[@CAMPFIRESKY]

Do you have a way to measure the RPMs on both saws? I'm curious if they changed the motor significantly. You would think that an 18 inch bar would have to work harder. Wondering of all of these upgrades come with a 16 inch bar and chain or if I would need to purchase them separately. Nice job on the comparison !

[@WilliamsonRidge]

No but I will in a few days gonna do another video on if the 56v will make 200 cuts in a 4x4 board like they claim, so I may add the rpm difference into the video

[@GreggMPlahy]

Can the batteries be swapped between the chainsaws, or are the batteries specific to what they were purchased with?

[@WilliamsonRidge]

56v works only with the 56v saw and 58v only works with the 58v. They also cannot be switched between other 56v brands such as Ego etc. they are brand specific.

[@BoomTerra]

Can the bars interchange

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’m not sure and then never thought to check, and I sold the old one already or I would check.

[@sam-ww1wk]

The old one has nothing to do with Echo other than they sold the name. The batteries suck. Still limping my lawnmower, blower, and weed eater along, but the chainsaw has always sucked. The specs on the new actual Echo one suck too. Too late to the game with old tech. My dual batt 36 volt Makita is stronger. I would recommend either getting a strong Greenworks or Husky, and/or a smaller battery saw that takes your cordless batts.

[@hafezkhalid383]

Do cordless CS also hv clutch like gasoline CS?

[@WilliamsonRidge]

No they are direct drive off the motor.

[@hafezkhalid383]

@@WilliamsonRidge thank you sir 👍

[@loranelizabeth9148]

I'd never buy another Echo (now owned by Ryobi, BTW.) I bought a battery weed whacker last year. Battery only lasted maybe 10 hours total? Called Echo, they finally called me back 5 hours later. Model#s for whacker and battery did not match. I was told that Ryobi now owns Echo and the whacker I bought must have sat in the store too long and Ryobi was not responsible for Echo's errors.I just said, "OK. I'm going to buy a Stihl. Bye."

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Sorry to hear about your negative experience

[@loranelizabeth9148]

So. Here is a VERY important FYI! If any remember me bitching about my 1year old Echo battery failing, (now Ryobi), and after hours on the phone, well, I gave up. My son came over last night and wanted to see it. I showed him, he said "All you gotta do is push this button and it resets everything." He did it, hit the trigger, and it did NOT die after 5 seconds! It is now just like new!! Try it!

[@robertstarke8598]

You listed the charge time 150 minutes for 56 volt using the slow regular 2amp charger. I wonder why they make you buy the 4amp rapid charger for $100 so you can get rated charge time on their 5 amp battery of 75 minutes. If echo is listening charge $25 more and include the rapid charger up front. You will get better reviews and more sales , I would think. How did hot batteries compare on cool down time before charger would start charging.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah I wish they would give that option but they may not because rapid charging could shorten battery life. The Battery didn’t get hot enough to delay charge. Thanks for watching.

[@outdoors-fun]

Do you continue to see it shut off and have to pop the battery out and in? Or was this just a one time thing.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Haven’t had anymore issues with it so far

[@outdoors-fun]

@@WilliamsonRidge Are you able to weigh this saw with a battery, bar, and chain on it?

[@kyles.3514]

@@outdoors-fun He did weigh both of them in the video.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

The old one is 14lbs 12.5oz and the new one was 14lbs 8.9oz

[@gregorteply9034]

Hi, can you send me one to Europe? Thanks 😀

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I don’t sell them

[@richardrice2333]

Nice demo ….cost$ 58v vs 56v ?

[@WilliamsonRidge]

58v $339 56v $299

[@edbartlett2352]

My DCS 5000 leaks bar oil when stored a lot unless stored on its side tank cap up Echo USA no help

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Almost all my saws leak oil, best to empty when not using to minimize leakage, even my stihl ms500i leaks some

[@edbartlett2352]

I figured out that the oil tank gets pressurized when using the saw and if I take the cap off to release the pressure when I’m done it doesn’t leak oil even stored right side up.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Nice I’ll try that tip, I would love for them to just not leak at all!

[@jamesbarnes439]

my stihl ms 261 c-m weighs less 10 pounds

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah the battery saws definitely aren’t necessarily lighter, maybe a little more convenient for the smaller jobs.

[@altond511]

I`ve got two echo 58 volt saws and they`re worthless as tits on a bull.

[@JAY-qq7fn]

SCRENCH!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

THANKS FOR LETTING ME KNOW!!