Willys Jeep F-Head or L-Head Toyota Gear Reduction Starter

[@Gzus]

I just bought and installed this same starter based on this video. After hogging out the holes, it fit in perfectly and seems to be working with no problems. Thank you for creating this video to educate folks like me!

[@robertsnyder5149]

I watched this program and now I'm in the process of changing my starter.

[@timothycarley4223]

Did it fit? L134?

[@robertsnyder5149]

Yes,had to oblong the holes a little.

[@robertsnyder5149]

My F-head starter to a dump on me so I'm headed to the parts store for a Toyota reduction starter..Thanks so much for the help. BTW I'm working on my 1954 M-38-A1 army Jeep.

[@davidbeer]

End mill to oval out a bolt hole... Winner winner chicken dinner😃!

[@johanchastain]

This guy is a freaking genius. Man I wish I could do 1/6 of what he can. Love the show. Especially the jeep stuff

[@somerandomguy3868]

Can't argue with Toyota a gear reduction starter especially for that kind of money

[@mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff]

Looking forward to seeing more of these motors

[@69uremum]

Looks like someone did a really nice lock-n-stitch job on that block at one point in time.

[@LowBuckGarage]

Yeah, the repair does look good. That block has other issues, too, but we'll see if I can get it running soon!

[@beakittelscherz5419]

I hope this Channel will grow like BIG , bc I want to have this Man do and buy whatever he likes. the Videos are well made, funny and educational. Thsi has really chanched my attitude towards Projects and it helped me a lot getting stuff done. If you stop doing one thing and go along with another.. that eventually gets you stuff done and finally finnish your Projects. Thats much better than let them sit around for month and month bc you have to have them perfect all the time and loosing the motivation on it! his way doing wrenching and not getting TOO serious about every little detail got me thinking about my Motivation fails lately... and besides all this: This guy is a born Teacher!! And getting people to listen and learn stuff and motivate them is not an easy job normally.. This is my fave channel so far!

[@videostars9194]

In glad you got something from KZbin, we love your videos,

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks, I appreciate that!

[@dustytrailscactusron]

An interesting thing, my nephew had a 1953 International pickup with the I6. The starter on it was identical to the starter on my 1960 CJ3B with the F4 I had at the time. Strange how unusual things will swap.

[@LowBuckGarage]

Interesting, and that means that this starter would probably work on an International, also. That's good to know, I've been eyeing some of those trucks. Thanks for the tip!

[@Cheapsnake1000]

The Toyota starter fits well, but I found that the throw of the starter gear is about 1/4" shorter than the stock starter. It will engage 9 out of 10 times OK, but on the 10th try it will just grind and chew up the ring gear teeth. I corrected this by cutting the face of the starter mounting flange down by about 1/8" and cutting out the backing plate in way of the starter flange. This gave me the 1/4" I needed for full engagement. Worked for me, your results may vary.

[@amx19733]

Gets better and better!!!! Great content!!

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks!

[@krafty65]

I learn something cool, big or small, every time I tune in. Thanks for great content!

[@LowBuckGarage]

Glad to hear it, I sure appreciate that!

[@johncarlson207]

Out standing

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks!

[@jeremywilson551]

Did it after see this video in my 1955 CJ5 and it works great.

[@cmac956]

Hi , that was good stuff ,thank you.

[@LowBuckGarage]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Lostparadise1776]

Your creativity is awesome!

[@zerolash406]

Good day sir! How are you keeping? Always a great day when you upload! What an idea! A burley Land Cruiser starter on a little F-Head! Might try something similar with my diesel W123 series... Congratulations on the revenue from KZbin! You totally deserve it and so much more! Anyway, always a pleasure and privilege watching you work! Kind regards! And best of health! Big Al

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks, I really appreciate that!

[@patrickriley3630]

Liked the idea I’m going to use one when mine dies thank you

[@JeepnJeff]

Thanks for the idea. I saw your video and just bought the starter.

[@timothycarley4223]

Did it fit? L134?

[@timothycarley4223]

What is the part number?

[@JeepnJeff]

@@timothycarley4223 You need to have a F-head starter ring gear.

[@thirdcargarage2951]

Nice trick.

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks!

[@Oldvwgarage57]

Thank you very much for this video, more details how make fit this starter, greetings from Ensenada, México.

[@bradkay9538]

Really like your videos keep them coming

[@bbland2750]

Grateful useful information! Thanks!

[@coldchickenwings9437]

Is that a Mercedes Ponton behind you? I swear you are the version of me with more $ and time to collect things! Ive wanted a Halftrack since i was 8. Im 42 now & with them being non exsistant in the wild anymore the ones restored are going for 80k i know ill never own one. So, i bought a Unimog. I think we should combine forces. I do however have a collection of willys vehicles, & VW's. I wish you were closer id love to meet you. Thank you for stepping out and documenting all this.

[@rudiknapen4867]

its a Mercedes Heckflosse w110

[@mrserious55]

great vids if you ever get the chance do a vid on M37 24 to 12v starter swap that would be awesome

[@larryalexander4833]

Good tip. Any chance the gear reduction starter will fit the 258 inline 6

[@LowBuckGarage]

Not this one, but a starter from a 4.0 might be an upgrade. You can probably get a parts store to let you take a look at one and compare it to your old one to see if the mounts and gear are the same.

[@gabecrockett6574]

You would also need to change to a 4.0 flywheel, the ring gear is positioned deeper for the gear reduction starter.

[@TexasADV]

wow that's great to know! the starter in my M38A1 is getting tired and this would be a nice swap (obviously only feeding the starter 12v vs 24v)

[@LowBuckGarage]

I've been really happy with those starters. You know, I run the 6v starter in both my 2A's on 12v. It is possible that the 12v Toyota starter would survive on 24v...

[@joshrowland3647]

I have a 124 tooth one what will fit it?

[@lassemobil]

I guess it only exists as 12 volts. My 51 is still 6 volts and I'd love to keep it original.

[@Cobra_Ranch_Garage]

Do you know it this will work for ALL F134 motors? Mine is a 1954 CJ3B with the F134. Thanks.

[@johanbezuidenhout4028]

What is the mod nomber and serial nom on replasement starter please

[@briancollins119]

I’m thinking 58’ & later F-Heads have a lot wider bolt spacing

[@LowBuckGarage]

I did this same mod on my '60 CJ-3B F-head, and that worked great. I think only the L-head (flatheads) are different, but I'm not sure.

[@Dancing_Alone_wRentals]

How did you ever stumble across the starter idea? Very cool

[@LowBuckGarage]

I was building an FC-150 about 20 years ago, and heard a rumor of it working on an email news group. Had a parts store guy pull one out, measured it, and I've been using them ever since. I thought the regular one was good, but this gear reduction one really spins!

[@Dancing_Alone_wRentals]

@@LowBuckGarage You have me wondering if flywheel teeth are cut to a standard. Pretty interesting....tHanks!

[@LowBuckGarage]

@@Dancing_Alone_wRentals Gears in general are pretty standardized, the pressure angle and pitch are ground into the hobs. There are a few common ones, so its pretty likely that most starters could drive most flywheels as long as the mounting position gives you the right backlash.

[@timothycarley4223]

What engine was in the land cruiser? Toyota has several engines in the land cruiser

[@timothycarley4223]

In the video he says it bolts to an L134, comments say it must have a F head fly wheel... which is it? What starter can use on a L134, stock flywheel?

[@cmf343]

I watched this video and went and got a toyota starter for the Landcruiser ,pull out the original on my 1951 willys truck and neither the mounting holes or the hole in the backing plate are close enough to bore out. Did I make a mistake thinking this works on a 51 truck 4 cyl?

[@LowBuckGarage]

It works for the F-head 4 cylinder, the one with the valve cover on top. I'm not sure which 4 cylinder you have, but if you have the L-head (typical flat head, with spark plugs coming out and no valve cover) you might need to change to the F-head flywheel and bellhousing.

[@robertsnyder5149]

I bought the dear reduction starter like you said and hogged out the holes and it fits. So what do do with the third wire? It's the smallest one.

[@LowBuckGarage]

I didn't run into a third wire on anything I've had, but my Jeeps are all old with really hacked wiring. I just ran main power and the wire to trigger the starter. Do you know what the third wire goes to?

[@The_Bench_UK]

Great video and advice. My flywheel is a 129 tooth, will the Toyota starter motor be compatible? (1943 GPW engine, not sure if original flywheel). Thanks

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks! The '43 GPW, originally had the early 97 tooth flywheel. If you have the 129, its been swapped. Usually the bellhousing is swapped at the same time, which is a good thing. The original bellhousing has a bushing in it for the end of the starter, the later one does not. If you do not have a bushing in the bellhousing, and have the 129 tooth flywheel, the toyota starter should work fine.

[@vitakendall3968]

Heya, can I get a part # for that starter?

[@Dave-ty2qp]

Oh! Me? yeah I'm just the dude clicking all the buttons down here. If the rest of you would do the same YT sences this for an algorythem upgrade.

[@LowBuckGarage]

Awesome, thanks!

[@Dave-ty2qp]

@@LowBuckGarage By the way I saw you in the duct tape derby on other chanels like Vice grip garage also. Keep up the good work.

[@timothyfowler650]

Great stuff!! Would you mind passing on the Delco Part # for the starter? I am going to either re-do my l134 or purchase an F134 for my 1947 CJ2A. Starter prices are crazy high for the L134. Keep up the great vids !!

[@LowBuckGarage]

Thanks! The gear reduction one in this video was ACDelco 3361425. The direct drive one I used in my CJ-3B is Pure Energy 16224, which was even cheaper and also worked great.

[@timothyfowler650]

@@LowBuckGarage Do you know if a 129 ring gear on an L134 flywheel will work or will I need the beefer F134 flywheel? Thanks in Advance

[@LowBuckGarage]

@@timothyfowler650 The F134 flywheel has a larger diameter ring gear, I think the L134 one is too small for the starter to engage. The L134 bellhousing has the starter in a slightly different spot, but I'm not sure if its far enough to make up for the flywheel diameter difference. I know for sure that the F134 flywheel and F134 bellhousing combo works great.

[@timothyfowler650]

@@LowBuckGarage Thanks for clearing this up for me.

[@we773]

Do you know if either of these starters will work on a 52 m38 not an a1. It has a 129 tooth flywheel. Military bell housing. I’ve done some picture comparison only have access to the m38 stuff. They look similar but don’t know??? Any insight would be appreciated. It has the military version L head engine. Thanks

[@albatrosnh]

That boring could have been "wronger" for sure!

[@LowBuckGarage]

I'll try harder next time!

[@LynnHouser-c7t]

Why do all the mods to a Toyota starter, when you can just buy a mini starter already made for the Willys?

[@williamsmith8041]

Is there any other starter that will work on the L head motor. without changing the flywheel and all that??

[@LowBuckGarage]

Yes, there is a gear reduction one available, but they're about $200. You can find them on ebay. On those I've had good results using the stock 6v starter on 12v.

[@Lowclassoutdoors97]

I have one with a 97 tooth flywheel.... does the Toyota starter work for the 97 tooth?

[@LowBuckGarage]

Unfortunately no, you would have to swap out to the F-head style flywheel and bellhousing. There are modern starters for the 97 tooth flywheel, but they're pricey and I've never tried one. This is one place I found: snap-usa.com/products/willys-12-volt-gear-reduction-mini-starter-mz4113-for-97-tooth-flywheel

[@sklsout]

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[@ramoncala7741]

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[@dalemettee1147]

The starter motor is 6Volt or 12 volt?

[@LowBuckGarage]

The Toyota starter is made for 12V, so that would be an issue if you want to put one on a 6V system.

[@patbeck7793]

What’s the part number??

[@Cobra_Ranch_Garage]

The gear reduction one used is an AC Delco 3361425 for a '85 Landcruiser. The direct drive starter, Pure Energy 16224 for a '81 Landcruiser. Both work.

[@maylevijack]

Do you know the parts number for the starter

[@LowBuckGarage]

The gear reduction one I used is an AC delco 3361425 for a '85 landcruiser. I've also used a direct drive starter, pure energy 16224 for a '81 landcruiser. I've had really good results with either type.

[@maylevijack]

@@LowBuckGarage my starter went out and i was looking for a low cost alternative and came across your video, so thank you for sharing the knowledge.

[@maylevijack]

​@@LowBuckGarage do you know of a gear reduction starter that works with the L Head style

[@pauldormont4470]

Thank you! Very useful info.