Wilmslow police turn up for knocking on a door

[@Evanth_Smoake]

Hi Everyone ! Thanks so much for all the comments I will try and get to reply to them all but here are some bulk answers! Q. Why did you hand over so much up front..? A. We paid £34,000 over various stages throughout the process and the last payment when kitchen was being made, yes we were daft and made mistakes but it was a real shop in our village and we checked them out but yes that was our mistake along with not paying via credit card / car machine etc Q. What's the car display A Its a honda e our run around ev and its the kitt knight rider theme...I will change for next episode and may even make a Steve Wynne compilation Q. why did you give details over A I am just a normal uk citizen and I respect the police and have nothing to hide, I get that I could have said no etc but I wanted be helpful etc Q. Take him to court A. I dislike solicitors and others already have spent money and time doing this and got nowhere, why hand over another £10-15k to get nothing and essential cost me more and I still need to buy a kitchen he has nothing in his name Another victim took Steve to court and won, Steve then closed the bramhall branch and cleared it out and has NOTHING in his name so this poor victim spent £15k to essential be worse off even though he won and still has to but a kitchen! Q. You're rich you drive a £40k car and spent £34k on a kitchen get a solicitor rather than pester this guy who's going through a tough time... A. Sorry but what an as*hole comment and firstly the car was never £40k, I also recently bought it and its three years old and cost £14k, what exactly does this have to do with someone taking my money and running away? I couldn't care less if Steve is going through the worst time of his life, in fact that makes me all warm inside. He has done this intentionally and to many others, I am now getting calls daily off new victims so please don't think Steve is now the victim As I always say "Play with the bull and you'll get the horns" Steve has F*cked around and now found that guy who just wont give up and will do anything legal etc to make sure no one else gets screwed over

[@FatJoeFilms]

You have a £40,000 car and to you it's a "run around". You gave a scammer £35,000 for a kitchen. I'm sure you could spare a few thousand on a solicitor, or a few hundered to go to court yourself. I feel there is much more to this story that you haven't told us.

[@Evanth_Smoake]

@@FatJoeFilms I just bought it, I didnt buy it new.... even if it was £40k car that makes it ok? yes there is much more and it will shock you 9 other victims come forward and some horrible things have happened but you just concentrate on my car and that I paid for a kitchen that never turned up

[@user-wq7zi6lr8n]

@@FatJoeFilmsOne of WKI victims here - as mentioned below there is way more to this story! I have instructed solicitors plus additional legal teams, with no luck. Unfortunately the law in this country is not designed to favour or protect consumers. So myself and many others have spent thousands more on solicitors and courts and we’re still in the same position.

[@clivewiddall3430]

If the kunt can afford a Bentley sitting on the drive you know where your moneys gone go to the courts and get the debt collectors in.

[@truefoa]

My advise would be get all the people that are owed money or kitchens and taking him to court collectively. Court is the only way you are going to get any money back. Shop around for a decent solicitor or do it your self's. The solicitors that tried before and got no where are just as bad the kitchen seller guy, useless and just want money. Apart from not going back and knocking on his door, everything else the police said was crap. You are in dispute over a contract and have every right to contact him.

[@phil-jj2sy]

Can't get the police for crimes but they turn up for a crook whose feelings were hurt by a customer looking for the money he stole from him..

[@callumbush1]

When you enter into a contract with a builder it's a civil matter and not a police matter!

[@callumbush1]

@MickG-g2o it's a civil matter when you enter into a contract with a builder not a criminal matter learn the law!

[@callumbush1]

@MickG-g2o you're a tw@

[@AdamMcCool-01]

Pigs still earning the hate🙄

[@user-wq7zi6lr8n]

@@callumbush1You are right, it is a civil matter UNTIL one party acts fraudulently which in this case is what happened.

[@rogerfleet4422]

Robbed you for £35000 and you will be charged with harassment and they say crime doesn't pay, our police are a disgrace

[@loonaticsrunningtheassylum]

Crime doesn't pay?? Have you seen a poor politician??

[@andrewbeach6079]

Well said that man!!

[@andrewbeach6079]

@@loonaticsrunningtheassylum Spot on!

[@tastytechaddictsmtb]

Police - criminal law Courts - civil law I don’t know why this is so hard to understand for people. Police have at no point ever had anything to do with civil law.

[@philbamford6957]

Does that mean when police bang on your door you can report them for causing alarm and distress.??

[@JLENO-io5yu]

sad day when the cops help the bad guy more than they help .the people he screwed

[@ThisIsJamesL]

They don't help. It's the law

[@ps8432]

That is always their tactics. they always "attack" the law abiding person as they have respect for the law. Criminals don't, but they use the law against us.

[@ImranOO7]

How can the police help in regaining money or the kitchen, it’s obviously a civil matter. The police were called for someone banging on the door, which is why both sides of the story should be given so they know how to proceed. People need to be kind, considerate and respectful to others. It’s sad that guy deceived you and I pray you get your money back.

[@lindawhittle3871]

@@ImranOO7 When someone was banging and kicking my front door the police said it was a civil matter and wouldn’t come out! I wouldn’t hand any money over until my job was completed. The cops are not what they used to be.., Well done that man keeping his cool even after the cops had repeatedly sided with the criminal and their new laws to protect criminals.

[@1harryrobert]

@@ImranOO7 I would NOT be kind to a thief.

[@louise_waterford]

Wow this makes me unbelievably mad. Cheshire police are a disgrace and I hope they have an internal investigation into these officers. APALLING.

[@MrTreacletime]

Have you seen the Trans freak? Ludicrous their priorities.

[@KennyRoberts-w3z]

The officers acted within their remit, no need for an investigation into their conduct, get a grip.

[@acestu]

Thanks for the warning, this country is so broken !

[@biropen8635]

Wanker if he took 34k off me id be going through his door not knocking on

[@John-gy7tn]

He Charlie nonce pal, these sort of people only good at beating women and kids, like their jew idols. Fuk him.

[@askme1245]

And then you would go to jail. Not smart.

[@Camerasdontlie]

Hello my friend. A man who thinks like I do. He needs to be contacted and talked to. Forget those mutts in uniform they’re a complete embarrassment in uniforms. I’d take his stuff to the value of 34000 No matter what he does the scumbag.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Oh, my God period. 10 men Terry. so you kicking his door and will get you the money back will it? So you think the man will just have £34,000 lying around in his house? What a stupid comment. What would happen is you would get arrested probably have to pay a fine at least and you still wouldn’t have your money back. Yeah really good idea that I’m staying.

[@John-gy7tn]

@@christopherwhittaker2620 I've kicked many a door off over debts in my younger days even kidnapped and tortured. Your right he won't have 35k laying around. Either a drug addict or a gambler. So you take watches jewelery and cars. You then put him to work make him get asany credit cards as possible store cards. So. Now you could have 20k paid off. So the remaining 15k you make him delivery driver dropping off on grub. With interest take a year or two to pay off and hell end up paying 60k off the 35k debt. This is how the real world works. I'd like to state I've never been nicked for a violent crime in my life.

[@PJ-wm9nq]

"Help! I've been robbed as someone's nicked £34k off me" The police then warn YOU off making any contact with the thief. Country's going down the pan with this sort of policing.

[@sleepyboyuk]

I totally agree with you! You said everything i thought, and who are they to tell you to " get yourself off" no right to do that on a public street!

[@altvamp]

Reminds me of a mobile phone theft where the owner tracked the phone and was threatened for the same reason, the police wouldn't retrieve it either. I think we have to realise that we're living in a time where the majority of police support the criminals these days.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@altvamp The police are really bad there’s no two ways about it. But I don’t think the majority of them support the criminals. As bad as the police might be, I don’t think they support the criminals. That’s ridiculous.

[@stephenduffield5953]

Absolutely useless why do we pay them a wage...again useless

[@kathleenfederl5121]

Our police are not trained as they used to be and where we were once the envy of the world with our police force we are now a laughing stock same as the bbc!

[@misterchippie]

"Stop harrassing the bloke that stole 30k off you" - Police -what are they for? I'm so done with this country.

[@therebel4332]

Forget the police ffs,, sort it out man to man simple

[@wibbley1]

@misterchippie Yep plod were out of order, threatening the cammer. It certainly is not harassment, if peacefully visiting a property. To continue to regularly visit the property to see if there is someone to talk to is again not harassment. TV licencing do it all the time. Acting menacingly, or issuing threats (like wpc did) showing a continued pattern, could be considered harrasment. I would argue plod were harassing cammer, who had committed no offence and was merely trying to see if there was anybody at the address that he could talk to.

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

Toodle pip

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

@@therebel4332 Sort it out man to man? Are you for real? How will that get him his money back? All that he is likely to happen if you do it that way is you will be arrested for assault. What a stupid thing to say.

[@misterchippie]

@@christopherwhittaker2620 Merry trsss

[@peterharris3375]

45 years ago someone smashed every very large sash window on the front of a large house in Camberley. The police talked to me about this and when I explained the fact that I was owed a lot of money for work carried out at the property but I was in the pub with my mates at the time of the offence. The policeman smiled and left. Where have sensible good old fashioned police gone?

[@vampire__uk]

Replaced with the Woke brigade and snowflakes I'm afraid to say.

[@channex8179]

A friend of mine worked for Steve Wynne and said he treats his staff like dirt, does not care about his customers and purposely designs a kitchen that is appealing to the customer but delivers something completely different and made of subpar quality materials although it looks like he's stooped to not actually providing anything now!. He also said as an employee if you irritate him he becomes aggressive and starts throwing threats of violence around also he doesn't like to pay his staff and has had a lot of run-ins with disgruntled employees! Good Luck!! People like this need a good hiding in my book!

[@Evanth_Smoake]

so many have said this but sadly no actual evidence yet have come forward

[@drewmoss007]

Wow, 4 turn up in less than 15 minutes for a knock on the door ... Meanwhile, 3 days later, someone out there is still waiting for 1 to turn up after their tools. The car, house been burgled ...what do we pay them for ffs.

[@MrVorpalsword]

2 of those police officers did nothing but stand around, when it had become clear that there was no physical threat to anyone involved they should have excused themselves and gone to another call out or some of this spurious paperwork they claim to have to do .... but they didn't - why, because they are lazy.

[@PhilJordan-y3m]

This is why the country is screwed from top to bottom. That fraudster should be in jail.

[@zzhughesd]

Agreed. What a sorry story. Scummy to hell. Sad. Annoyed for him

[@donmacrae3855]

Clueless police, Getting involved in civil matters, they have ABSOLUTELY no authority. There is No breach of the peace, no Harrassment, so Threatening you for a crime that hasnt happened is overstepping. You should get the officers details and report them for section 26 of the criminal & court act ( corrupt or other improper exercise of police powers and privilege).

[@Bond2025]

People in a gym i go to run a debt collection service that's very effective.

[@cliffordparry2862]

Police giving incorrect Legal Advice, this Gentleman is entitled to pursue a debt owed to him. They would not succeed in a procecution for harassment, this should be investigated as a possible Fraud or Obtaining Monies by Deception.

[@Redturret]

@@Bond2025I love a bit of friendly persuasion 😊

[@andykirkwood4179]

​@@cliffordparry2862prosecution

[@The.Word.1Way.2386]

Amen. He is running a biz from home - providing that address - whats the difference to going to B&Q complaint desk. Thse 3 aint fit to be in the force, living in an ivory tower, delusional - lets see them react when they are conned out of 30K

[@manchegocheese997]

Surely the WPC does not have the authority to impose a defacto restraining order.

[@WashingtonSAFC]

That's the best, and probably most accurate advice I've read in the comments, so far.... And if a police officer(s) wants to remove you from an area (say on the footpath outside of this bloke’s property), they need an inspector, as minimum rank, to sign the dispersal order.

[@like420ninja7]

True they don't have any powers to enforce anything they're talking about, they are not solicitors nor have they ever studied law. Take advice from police like you would take from a rapist.

[@peterpage7322]

I really feel for you going through this. I went through exactly the same thing when I had something stolen from me albeit only £400. I knew who the person was and where they lived and the police said it was a civil matter and not to harass the thief. The police you spoke to clearly don’t have a clue because the small claims court will not cover the amount you are owed as I believe the maximum they deal with is £10k. You will have to go the expensive route and sew. These days the Police are absolutely no use at all, in fact they cause more problems. All they had to do was to ask the guy to talk to you with them present to keep the peace.

[@johnthomas338]

"sew" ? What, sew a new shirt? Sew a tablecloth? Oh, you mean "sue"...

[@peterpage7322]

@@johnthomas338 Ha ha very funny, predictive text is not immune to wise cracks I guess.

[@Lori-Lee17]

"He has clearly felt threatened..." bullshit. He has clearly used the police as a tool to avoid speaking to his victim.

[@ImBaudits]

Yup, exactly this. We’ve been being stalked and harassed for 3 years and the police have ignored requests for support but as soon as the attackers say anything, they’re straight round to see me 🤔

[@matthewcole4923]

Police are completely wrong here. It’s not illegal to knock on someone’s door. It’s not harassment if it’s done in the course of his legal conduct. He doesn’t need a lawyer, he’s allowed to represent himself in such matters.

[@rickbear7249]

Absolutely correct. In any case, harassment requires multiple calls and repeated unreasonable behaviour. It cannot be harassment on the first call. The only harassment here is a typical case of heavy-handed police intimidation. Seemingly, it's their party piece.

[@inquisitivemind2465]

The police should be arresting him for fraud, all this bs about small claims court is completely wrong. The police just don't want to do the job that they're paid for.

[@JLENO-io5yu]

wow he screwed you and the cops make it like you are the bad guy!!

[@mynewcolour]

Dumb take

[@trevorhutchinsonUK2506]

The police are investigating him more than the guy who hasnt fitted his kitchen

[@lindasharp8523]

They are corrupt

[@JoeTyHunter]

Another great show from the Police 😂 looking after the Criminals and threatening the Victim ! Abosolute Jokers !!!!!!!

[@nickcoppard5335]

I have experienced exactly that

[@Ian-ev5tg]

100% if I call the cops on the tv licence man for harassment. They won’t “log” their details and warn them off harassment. I’d say stealing over £30k is a lot worse than “he might be watching tv”

[@gav2759]

Yep, this is the comment that puts the whole cockeyed police position into perspective. Well done that man.

[@FrankyRemo]

Tip for anyone parting with large amounts for a product or service, always pay a percentage of the fee with a credit card, you’re then covered by ‘section 75’ of the Consumer Credit Act.

[@goldieandblackie]

Up to 30k

[@bobbymozza]

Also noting that's a credit card and not a debit card.

[@joandavis8915]

It is ok for him to steal from people, and they help him. Wonderful.

[@harleyg98]

I have to believe this par for the course for British police. I was ‘taken’ for my business, worth in excess of £200,000 by a couple of con-artists. By the time I’d realised what was happening (and discovered they were ex-bankrupts) it was too late. I took them both to court three times and won each case - but got no money. I had evidence of conspiracy, fraud and theft - I also became aware they’d done this at least twice before and they’d gone on to con another business-owner. When I contacted the police a police officer came to my home, said “I know what’s been going on” then suggested I contact a solicitor - who, if they concluded I had proof of a crime, would advise the police. I posted details online and was promptly contacted by the police - and threatened with arrest if I didn’t take the post down. The perps had complained that I’d harassed them! Every time one of them applies for any form of credit or insurance they continue to break the law - saying they’ve never been bankrupt or had any County Court Judgements.

[@_Why_123]

I find this to be a very informative video, useful to anyone thinking of buying a kitchen! 🤗 ... So "Bravo", for putting it online! ... You can't help but hope that these 'police-people' will soon be finding themselves in the same position, and would love to hear how their tune changes! 👍🤣

[@Ian-ev5tg]

Coming back a second time isn’t harassment. A third time is. And they wonder why we have no faith in the justice system

[@markrainford1219]

They said an email was classed as the first contact, his visit the second?

[@memylastname9972]

So if a bailiff keeps knocking on your door ring the police and they will tell him he can’t contact you again. So how come the tv licence goons can knock on your door as much as they like but that’s not harassment. Even when you don’t owe them a penny.

[@gdr38515]

@@memylastname9972 You can withdraw the implied right of access from a bailiff at any time and they must leave your property. The only time they can ignore this is if they have a court-sanctioned Warrant of Entry. Also, visiting a second time in the case of this video would constitute harassment. Sending an email would not so on that account the cops were wrong, but cops know jack anyway.

[@wolverine343534]

@@markrainford1219they said the visit to the house was the first harassment, and if he emailed him, that would be classed as the 2nd. Knocking on the door like he did, should never be harassment, especially if that was his first visit. The thief in the house obviously knew why he was there, so refused to answer the door because he wants to keep the money. Also, a couple of emails asking for your money back, in a non-threatening way, should never be classed as harassment. The only law broken in this instance, should be the fact the scumbag stole that money. I think the thief is lucky that the guy isn’t actually harassing him, cause he deserves more than harassment. The police should never have threatened the guy with arrest, especially since they aren’t questioning the thief.

[@mikef3324]

The cop is either lying or incompetent. Making threats and giving advice that is totally wrong.

[@25242824]

that copper said you can't visit the home of someone who owes you £34,000 ?, man if someone stole £34,000 from me and refused to give it back they would probably wake up and find me sitting on the edge of their bed.

[@MrHennoGarvie]

Well youd be in a prison cell by the end of the day, so you'd have acheived a lot.

[@25242824]

@@MrHennoGarvie how, based on your delusion of how the police and law works ?, okay cup cake, i can guarantee i would not be in jail, it's difficult to convict without evidence or witnesses.

[@smogtastic]

You do the difference between paying a company £34k to do a job and not doing it and someone actually stealing £34k are completely different

[@25242824]

@@smogtastic are they still taking my £34,000 ?, then i don't care

[@bombtwenty3867]

@@smogtastic There's no difference, I don't care what the law says. I bet you've done that to somebody and felt smug about it haven't you?

[@jonburgess3614]

Coppers victim blaming again, these oxygen thieves are a waste of space.

[@nerdytom6881]

It is legal to turn up and 'cold call knock' up to 8pm. After that you need a business appointment.

[@dorianfinkelstein]

I really really hope you get some justice, it really annoys me that people get ripped off.

[@thecolliman7674]

This sort of thing needs to be classed as a crime

[@deltaas1]

It is. The breach on contract is a civil tort but the obvious fraud is a crime (not that the police are interested).

[@hellzz5525]

@@deltaas1 I’d bet every £ I have that if this criminal done the same to a copper it would be a very different situation. They’d make sure he relayed that type of victim.

[@carpediem3391]

These scummy officers are as bad as my scummy local officers

[@AdamMcCool-01]

Pigs still earning the hate

[@nonenone-vt8cg]

This is quite normal for Cheshire Police who are even more corrupt than Derbyshire Police.

[@robertwicks6624]

Probably all trained by the met police in London

[@vincnetjones3037]

Cleveland Police top them both......🤣😂

[@npr1300A8]

Two-tier-policing in a nutshell. Unbelievable how soon they turned up after he'd phoned the police. This country is in dire straits. By the way, I love the dash of your Honda car. Wing mirrors inside must be strange to get used to?

[@terryhoward8629]

The police What a joke Absolutely, pathetic. They are clueless. Telboy

[@warrenwright6]

Thats absolutely disgusting. That thief is sitting in his house while outside his door the police are cautioning the guy he stole from. Hope you get some justice from the small court

[@petemarshy1677]

Happend to me. I laid a floor, client would not pay, severed all contact. I hand delivered my invoice, police arrested me for harassment and alarm and distress, 3 months bail. Never got my money. Officer said its a nice floor but I'm not allowed to ask for my money.

[@damienlovestheoutdoorsandr6110]

Swings and roundabouts for the non paying S*** you should of told coppers. You have to take a pay cut. Because he has not paid me. I'm self employed.

[@petemarshy1677]

@damienlovestheoutdoorsandr6110 forgot to mention, 5 hours in custody, whilst they interviewed the Tw.t, he had mental health and anxiety issues.'apparently' Police were a joke

[@mrdeafa25]

Technically it's a Civil claim and as such is nothing to do with the police who only investigate Criminal Law. However, it has all the makings of a fraud case and possibly major fraud which the cops will only know if they make an investigation. A quick complaint to the Commissioner should get the ball rolling.

[@NHSborn]

That is disgusting

[@The.Word.1Way.2386]

Legal Beagles Forum - solicitors give free advice. The Small Claims Court is the best and cheapest way - it can be done w/o a solicitor

[@DMWBN3]

Take £34'100 from a bank. You'll get armed response on your doorstep, sharpish.

[@ef7480]

Youd have a job these days, banks dont have 'vaults' full of cash anymore.

[@moby1388]

Criminals get support from the police.

[@tillyflop22]

Yes victim blaming makes less work for them . GMP are notorious for it.

[@garrydaines3703]

I once bought a car that had a number of things wrong with it. The ins and outs of why I drove away are irrelevant. I went to the Small Claims Court after the agreed repairs were bodged and won. That got me nowhere. I went back and instructed bailiffs to recover my losses and was told the dealer had ceased trading. Basically he closed the business and started a new one - same people, same location, same cars, just a different name, so I was told I could do nothing as it wasn't the same company. The legal system in the UK is flawed, people shouldn't be able to rip you off so easily.

[@Sanderly1820]

Im From Cornwall ive had the same thing happened to me, what prevents the police pursuing this through the courts, is hes promised to pay, there hasn't gotta be a time or date for him to deliver. He then waits for you to send some emails when your angry, he then stops all contact , so you pursuing at every means, the cost now sees you as the bully and he's the victim. The 9nly way is through a civil court. Eve. If he's found guilty he won't be given a date to refund the money back, dude don't purse him it makes it harder for you but easy way out for him

[@TController]

And they wonder why people have lost faith in the ‘system’ & Police, & then take matters into their own hands.

[@kevinthegerbil2708]

TV Licencing do this everyday, knocking on doors asking for money even when the tenant owes NOTHING in law.

[@daviddyson8851]

Small claims I don’t see £34.000 as small claims . so to understand what has happened he defrauded you of all that money and the police don’t do anything.but when you calmly call to his house to ask for your kitchen or refund you get threatened with arrest…..wow what a country we live in good luck hope it works out for you

[@reb0118]

I'm not saying you are wrong, far from it, but prove that he was defrauded? There certainly seems to be a breach of contract - but that is a civil matter that should be brought before a civil court. Once the creditor has instructed a solicitor, that solicitor will decide if there is enough to justify a criminal charge, and then (in theory) further representation to the police could be made, or indeed a private criminal prosecution pursued. In practice, that is fantasy - the costs involved would probably escalate exponentially with no guarantee of a return. If the debtor is bankrupt he's probably a lost cause.

[@paulwilkinson1738]

Wait!! Wtf is going on with that dashboard, since when has kit been a Honda??

[@twisteddolldesigns6190]

It's only £60 to start the process of getting him through the courts. Then you win, and you can then get an enforcement officer straight away for a couple hundred and clear his showroom in a day. Try that route. Honestly. And don't just name him, name the company as well. Then you have him completely and who every name it's all in.

[@bluefish2303]

He's already cleared the showroom though.

[@bigearedmouse17]

W.T.F. Is that Dashboard about ? Looks like the Deck of the Starship Enterprise !

[@CharlesVeitch]

Knight Rider!

[@kevincurr4641]

​@@CharlesVeitch Absolutely, it's Kit 😂😂

[@comfortablynumb8832]

@@CharlesVeitch get back to work

[@DessieTots]

Looks like your kitchen guy is living beyond his means. Is enjoying a luxury lifestyle that is being funded by ripped off customers. I used to live next to a guy like this. He did a midnight removal from his flat. The girl that bought his flat had to put up with numerous phone calls from angry clients. The guy that also had anger management issues liked his cars which no doubt was being paid for by his customers.

[@DessieTots]

This is the type of situation where an association with a couple of scary guys is useful. This conman is obviously a coward and would crumble at the sight of a couple of guys who feel they’ve got nothing to fear standing at his door. That being said, why would you give a stranger £34,000 upfront? With any luck he will try this on with someone who isn’t as polite as you.

[@mpcgamingclips]

The threat of arrest for returning at any point is completely unwarranted and unlawful. If you have not had a restraining order issued by a court, this means nothing. This is why you don’t give details, don’t let them see you drive off (registration number will be used to identify you) and don’t talk to the police at all, end of. They have clearly shown why they deserve no respect, enforcing feelings over law.

[@jimgibson-brown6701]

This is so depressing …. What has happened to this country ….?

[@paultaylor7082]

This has been happening for years. Look at Carillion, they went bust in early 2019, with debts of £1.1 billion. A large number of people lost their jobs, as suppliers and contractors affected by this collapse were hit. One company I did work for (although not on any Carillion projects, fortunately) were hit for around £300K. I was told that put the mockers on their expansion plans for the next couple of years, others weren't so lucky and went out of business.

[@netty8960]

This Two Tier policing crap needs to stop, so sick of seeing the victim treated like a criminal.

[@stevethered5506]

Do a freedom of information request and to see how many times the police been called to that address. I know a little bit of that area and everywhere seems far away from each other. Going by how quick the police arrived at the address, tells me they've got previous. Have you or jointly with others considered make a claim against him and not the business if that is a thing, hoping you can at least claim his assets if capitals are not available. Also, thank you for posting this. Hopefully this will help others to avoid this scammer!!

[@NickLitten]

Protect the Guilty Shield the Criminals Arrest the Innocent. The New British Police charter for 2024+ :(

[@googleeye5112]

why did you give all your details, including DOB when you did nothing wrong?

[@davidhewitt2864]

You’ve not committed a crime so why hand over details and DOB and phone number ? You are the victim?

[@MJ88Owl]

I thought the same. It only took seconds for that woman constable to start interrogating him. Police are awful

[@martind7418]

You should have told the police to do one it's a civil matter

[@renegade-master29]

​@@MJ88OwlPolice are trained to be robots and universal soldiers with zero people skills for their 33rd degree masters

[@1ForTheShieldz]

😂 you know he is sa in a car with a licence plate right 😂😂😂😂 hardly rocket science to know who he is.

[@jbellfield]

If you look at the pictures on his Google page (with the video of his shop and him standing beside a small plane?) there are pictures of reviews. One from a previous employee (designer) says he is an alcoholic who drives home drunk, is poorly organised, pays poorly, and has multiple court cases you can look up... The review appears to be from the 9th of September 2023.

[@BlueJDev]

The website and phone number on his van have both been shut down now. But the ltd company is still active. If petty revenge is on the cards an anonymous call to the police about drunk driving might be an idea..

[@AntonTaylor-p7u]

i’ve worked for him owes me 1.2k weeks wages not paid

[@gaillomax]

Seems like someone else been dealing their own kind of justice….well they do say revenge is a dish best served cold.

[@The-Rees]

Does the postman get arrested for harassment? Nope. You’re allowed to contact someone to ask them where your money. Telling you that you’ve taken matters into your own hands is ridiculous - you were asking him when he intended to deliver on his last communications to your wife. However, the police turned up so quickly because there was a marker on his house which shows that there had previously been some serious aggression and possibly violence by someone - which doesn’t surprise me if he owes them a sizeable sum of money. So it’s best to issue a claim immediately and get it logged - don’t waste time writing letters, just issue.

[@The-Rees]

Just to add - I like to give a balanced view and be fair. I ordered a kitchen off this company about 4 years ago and the service was terrible, they took a large deposit off us and took 3-4 months time wasting on the design. We took the view to cancel and go elsewhere. On that occasion, we received a refund within 5 days of cancelling. We were lucky in that respect but I didn’t get the impression they would take it. The shop has been there a while too so I can only let assume that problems have occurred over the last 6-12 months which have messed up their finances. I hope you get the money back and I’m sure if he can, he will pay you back. But you need to issue a claim asap and you’ll see quicker results.

[@reb0118]

​@@The-Reesyou are correct. He must take quick action to recover his money through the civil courts (escalating to the high court if necessary) before others do likewise. Otherwise, there may be nothing left in the pot by the time others have claimed.

[@scopehitmyeye2019]

18:00 Police 'Go through small claims court'. It was made clear the disputed sum is £34,000. "In England and Wales, the maximum value for a small claim in the county court is £10,000."

[@ImBaudits]

Just got to the bit where the copper said “it’ll cost you a little bit of money” Obviously has no idea how the legal process works or how much it costs 🙄 We’ve been being stalked and harassed for three years and police have done nout. the last one I spoke to had the cheek to say “if you’re not happy with our service you can go through the civil route” - are you takin the piss? 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@davidhewitt2864]

I bet if one of those was owed the money it would get done ?

[@paulm5261]

That Dashboard reminds me of Knightrider !! Hello Kit… 😂

[@dannydee2668]

An interesting video, the knowledge I have gained from this video is that crime pays very well.

[@deydododontdedoh.5672]

Police - You rob a business Crime, Business robs you, what Crime?

[@ChrisChapman-t4b]

I know how I'm keeping the Police busy next Halloween!

[@terranceyeo3087]

The copper is wrong the amount is too big to go through small claims court I think the limit is five thousand

[@NomadicNight]

It isn't. It's £10,000.

[@matthewcole4923]

@@NomadicNightstill too big then

[@reb0118]

​@@matthewcole4923that said it still might be a viable option for partial redress (i think the remaining debt could still be claimed through other means). The small claims solution is much quicker that regular court action and may allow this claimant a head start over other creditors.

[@paultaylor7082]

I don't think the limit for a small claims court is as high as £30K. However, there are still legal actions which can be taken to recover the money owed. Unfortunately it's likely the debt owed will be that of the limited company, not the individual, and if that entity goes into liquidation, it's unlikely the claimant will get any compensation.

[@nectafarious8842]

'How did you end up with his address?' says Ms. Sherlock Holmes...🙄 Is this really what policing has come to in this country?

[@paultaylor7082]

Companies House would be my guess, if he runs a limited company. Not exactly a Sherlock Holmes, Miss Marple or Poirot piece of brilliant deduction. Doh!

[@grahampollitt1548]

"small claims court!!" Shows how much the know all cop knows. This is SHOCKING. A shameful demonstration of the UK justice system.

[@Conflictofinterest902]

34k and an officer of the law says “small” claims court. Even I know 34k is beyond the realms of a small claims court Absolutely useless

[@jfryer485]

You make a BIG error NEVER use the word JUSTICe The ENGLISH LEGAL SYSTEM

[@crispyduck1706]

Noticed that what awful. advise

[@alanstarkie2001]

Presumably, he'll be hiding behind a limited company. Issue a writ against the Ltd company and name him as a second defendant (or whatever the current lingo is). I hope the Blackbelt guy can help.

[@paultaylor7082]

Good advice. A bit of digging at Companies House (some info is freely available) might shed some light on the situation. My guess is he won't risk being a sole trader or a partnership, as that would leave him legally liable for the debt, which isn't the case if he's a limited company. I ran a company which occasionally did work for which we never got paid, so I can see the other side of the argument here. However, we never asked anybody for pro forma (payment up front) terms of amount anything like £34K. We once had some clown wanting us to supply 8 tonnes of antifreeze to a job in Oxford, cost supplied to us was around £8K plus VAT. We told him it was pro forma (payment up front), we never heard from him again.

[@nickcoppard5335]

Joint and several

[@rogermellie8068]

Hate to say it but he ain't going to be paying a penny back, hes a conman and knows how to avoid paying. If it was me I certainly wouldn't be looking at lawful means of getting my money back.

[@davewebster4246]

Or discussing it on the internet..

[@paultaylor7082]

In the Good Old Days the threat of a baseball bat being used or petrol being poured through the letterbox were methods used to enforce payments of debts, that's still the case in some areas.

[@Theyellowchild]

I admit that my cars are 31 and 20 years old but what’s that you’re driving looks like a spaceship 😂🤣😂🤣😆I’m very impressed,and yes I know I should get out more 😁

[@c11yan]

Get a barrister to put a winding up order on Ltd company and once can prove he has acted fraudulently the debt can be passed directly to the director ie you can bankrupt him

[@dogzero1]

"Yes we know he has stolen £34,000 pounds from you and that he is a low life scummy thief but we will arrest you if you harass the thief". "We have to be fair after all."

[@hellzz5525]

Why she asking your date of birth ? I definitely would not of given her that or my address! A contact number or email should of being sufficient. Your the victim. They treating you like a criminal.

[@neilsouthern321]

He does not need to tell the police anything He was not committing a crime The police are getting worse in the UK at abusing their powers in public

[@sharons651]

I certainly wouldn't be giving the police any of my details. If they're so interested, they can do there own investigations on finding who I am. I ain't going to do there job for them

[@reb0118]

Because in this instance he has been accused of harassment - that is the "crime" they are investigating. The creditor could have been arrested, and it would have been a lawful arrest, and processed down at the station. That was not deemed necessary because the creditor was compliant and explained his actions in a reasonable manner. The officers responded by accepting his explanation as to why he was there, then gave advice as to why he was wrong to be there (personally IMO I think he was more than justified to be there). Remember, the complaint was made by the debtor HE was the one who claimed harassment. Is knocking on someone's door harassment? It is if the law says it is. Should it be? That's for our elected representatives to decide. Suitable advice was given.

[@JonathanRWilliams]

​@@reb0118 There could be one exception to the tradesman complaining about the chap here "harassing" him at his house and that is, if the bloke has registered his business or company to that address, then it is the registered address for the service of writs, summonses etc, etc, so he is entitled to attend on the respondent at his registered business / company address to seek fulfillment of their contract.

[@hazelboaler7359]

​@@reb0118Ridiculous that this man is being harrased by the police.

[@Chris-yx8gj]

There is no way I would walk away from 34,000.

[@paultaylor7082]

What exactly would you do to recover the money? I don't see kidnap or GBH as a viable option, especially if you get caught, you'll be the one doing porridge, not this dodgy businessman.

[@SCP01986]

@@paultaylor7082 Eventually there is only going to be one way for law-abiding citizens to deal with being victimized like this and the police aren't going to like it.

[@gsum1000]

That's weird. A few years ago we were in a similar situation regarding a much smaller sum of money. We were told by the police to go to the debtor's address to knock on his door to ask for the money.

[@jaunosvaldo9481]

13:09 why did you give your details to the female Constable ???

[@Wibble99O]

Good luck, I hope you have success in court

[@ahuman6825]

Just tell the police that they said some hurty words on twitter and they will send the cavalry round within minutes!

[@Evanth_Smoake]

well to be fair 10 minutes was bloody impressive reaction time

[@christopherwhittaker2620]

They weren’t Hurty words. It’s called hate speech and it also comes under inciting violence. You Muppet

[@pureblood1415]

@ says the muppet 😂😂😂😂

[@barrysims9906]

is that copper actually suggesting you just kiss ya $ good by and cut your losses by not getting aressted as well. so very sad.

[@reb0118]

No he was suggesting not to compound the loss by being charged with a criminal offence. He did not imply that the creditor should forgo his money but rather that he pursue it though the proper channels - via a solicitor & the civil courts. The breach of contract and the debt are not police matters, the alleged harassment is (whether you or I think it's harassment is immaterial).

[@christopherwatts1833]

Thanks for this. There's no way i would purchase anything from this company😊

[@ElectroBlender]

Here's a crazy one. My friend in Australia had a problem with a neighbour. Neighbour knocked constantly on her door like 60-70 times in 2 months. Pissed. She went to court and the judge said it's not against the law for anyone to knock multiple times on your door "if they have something I say" and you have no fence. Pfffttt... She moved.

[@AGTC009]

You go to court & sue & if you don't get any money back you get the court bailiff's in ....like the ones on the TV a while ago !...to cease goods up to the amount lost plus costs !

[@AGTC009]

@@Jim_Slip271 Did you never watch the bailiff program ? I suggest you have a look !

[@DMWBN3]

​@@AGTC009don't believe allyou see on TV.

[@AGTC009]

@@DMWBN3 I don't !

[@stevencurtis-rich4178]

It would really depend on whether he is a sole trader then everything is good to take or limited company then you are screwed.

[@Jh19999]

Don't work like that mate. He will just shut the company down, and the debt dies along with the company and he will just set up a new company under a slightly different name

[@carllockpick6179]

Can I ring the police, every time the tv licence goons knock on my door ?

[@roppa789]

Yeah, of course you can. And you’ll be told the law and if you continue in these circumstances action will be taken against you. Quite reasonable and proportionate. Just like in Wilmslow. Well done to the cops.

[@carllockpick6179]

@roppa789 what circumstances ?

[@carllockpick6179]

@@roppa789 any idea ?

[@Jman-qf6wo]

They'll probably come in a riot van and batter your door down so they can let the tv licence man come in

[@carllockpick6179]

@Jman-qf6wo more than likely, will not be seeing any tv or evidence of watching, would not watch it, even if it was free.

[@michaelburke3937]

Never never give your details to the police they are not your friends all your details are in the dater base

[@MSM101]

"Data"

[@jonentwistle564]

I’m a local building company close to you, Well done for taking your time out to create this content, it must have been a stressful time for you, I personally wouldn’t have the patience that you had.

[@SuperLarson777]

The terrible crime of turning up at someone's house against, stealing 34K. Wow

[@carlhenshaw7901]

there are people you could sell that debt to who would collect

[@benwest6633]

The state of the police in 2024. Taking the side of criminals is disgusting. How on earth can they justify this?

[@paultaylor7082]

It's the law, as any solicitor will explain to you.

[@carlos-dt2tz]

You can get the registered address from Company’s House web site amend often it will be the same as the home address for many sole traders.

[@georgialouise9943]

Exactly like a previous poster has said, tv licence people knock on people’s door and harass them even though they haven’t broken the law. This is so awful, so is the procedure now..... tv licensing knock on door, immediately ring police and get them to take the persons details down and tell them if they come back again the police will charge them with harassment I wish you well in getting your money back and hope the guy finally makes right what he has promised to his customers

[@ATwinam]

Don't give out any details whatsoever to the police without an offence being committed or an arrest..

[@ThomasGardiner-y4z]

The police are pathetic don't no why we pay the useless fuckers

[@NowUnsilenced]

That WPC, “You get yourself off”. Sorry lady, free to leave, free to stay. Can’t move a member of the public from a public place.

[@chrisc9376]

Hope you get it sorted mate, gut feeling you might have to put his windows through at some point 👍

[@JP-sj5zn]

Gosh! This is shocking. They turn up for this and literally cannot be bothered to show when people have been burgled. I hope you manage to recover your money. Disgusting state of affairs. You handled this very in a very calm and professional manner.

[@badninja1971]

I bet when BBC goons knock my door threatening me with prosecution my police response time will be zero. 😂

[@cechzc2e]

Tell them they are armed 😅

[@badninja1971]

@ They’re not armed, They’re spineless. 😂

[@composedlight6850]

Exactly

[@mattjay8313]

Pretty impressive you’ve made a KZbin channel to destroy this thief’s business . Bravo, I liked the video

[@Dogfacedbloke]

Seriously, though, when will decent people realise that the police are their enemy and the criminals' friend? That's not hyperbole or exaggeration, it's fact. It pains me every time someone says, "Oh, this happened and we called the police and they did nothing," or "They tried to arrest us instead!" Yes, that's their mandate. They will do their damndest to protect the criminals and prosecute the law abiding. The only time you should ever call the police is for very serious crimes, when specialist teams would be involved. The day to day police - never, ever call them or interact with them under any circumstances.

[@asef698]

What car is that? It's like something out of the film, fifth element

[@wandelust]

Hes robbed YOU of £34k and he's the one feeling harrased!!! OMG. I wouldn't give him a penny's worth of business!

[@brucelownhole]

Small Claims Court ?!? Its almost forty grand. That's big boy court.

[@ruskiryan2398]

My Milkman knocks on my door every Saturday asking for money, can I report him ?