WINCHESTER ACTIVE DUTY M1152 9MM AMMO 115 GRAIN FMJFP

Tabletop review of the Winchester ACTIVE DUTY M1152 9mm ammo 115 FMJFP .Now in use by the U.S.Armed Forces in their 9mm sidearms.

[@c.f.leffen2929]

The WIN9MHSC/Active Duty, M1152 is my main ammo. Accurate, 10% hotter than NATO’s 9mm issue, expands after three times FBI penetration protocol. The flat point causes cavitation passing through the viscera, a bubble of air, causing displacement- a wound cavity that disrupts the internals. This is far superior to FMJ and even some JHPs. This is a worthwhile substitute for many JHPs. Only premium solid lead core flat points, like from Buffalo Bore, Underwood, and Federal would be more devastating. Remember, there are always newer, better examples of technology- even those rediscovered long after going out of vogue.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching . I agree with you .come on back.

[@mdubb4855]

I believe changing RN round nose to FN flat nose solves at least 80% of the shortcomings of RN, without introducing the 50% of new problems from hollow point - hollow point has problems going through windshields, and problems opening in the target has more than a tee shirt on.

[@johnnorman7708]

Interesting that a flat nose FMJ 124 grain 9mm bullet was developed by Hornady as a US Air Force project in the late 70s or early 80s. I loaded and shot a few boxes of the .45 cal 230 grain version back in the 80s. Now Winchester is loading a flat nose ball round as a "new" official 9mm military round. I suppose they wanted the 115 grain for better velocity.

[@mdubb4855]

Inexplicable why they didn't use 124 grain which is an approved weight for NATO.

[@kennethrisner-c8q]

Could be our military decided it doesn't have to play by someone else's rules

[@mdubb4855]

Did you notice any primer seal to prevent moisture incursion? In terms of hollowpoint, if engaging with enemies under Geneva Convention rules, hollow point is prohibited. Special forces engaging terrorists (who are not recognized as states nor parties to the Geneva Convetion) are permitted to use hollow points, and 147 grain is usually slow enough for silencer use. For troop use, penetration is essential and the 115 flat nose is excellent. For close quarters combat in rooms that contains your comrades or hostages, reducing over penetration is essential, and hollow points are theoretically better due to expanding and thus slowing down earlier. I agree that hollow points are mostly bogus. They increase the risk of feeding problems. They seldom open (in Tools and Gun Sam tests) if there is clothing in front of the test gel - the clothing fragments clog the hollow point. You are the first vlogger to really understand these two rounds. M1152 and M1153 out of a 5" barrel are as energetic as the lower-loaded .40 roiunds, and much lighter.

[@RTmadnesstoo]

Try the Hague Convention or Conference as it was called in 1899. They had no term 'hollow point' but said 'bullets that deform on the human body' like for instance 7.62x39. It also banned dropping Bombs and the United States never signed it.

[@frankgrillo8094]

I too have the ruger PC carbine-- and this stuff is the BOMB ! 1600 FPS. Drops javelina & coyotes in their tacks- my longest kill to date is 70yds. The carbine is also my GO TO home & yard protection-- with a light & red dot , 30 rnd glock mags. It replaces my AR as first choice as it has no muzzle flash- or deafening blast-- can't be looking for "ears" when things go south in the middle of the night 'eh.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching I like this stuff its good on Hogs.

[@obxburg]

Thank you for your Service Sir! I just bought 2 boxes and will go back and get 5 more.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for Watching this stuff is good stuff a bit hot but it's accurate and I have put down several Coyote & Hogs with it in my Ruger PC Carbine 9mm Rifle accurate out to 200 yards so far I am happy just purchased another 1000 Rounds .

[@obxburg]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Your timing is impeccable. I shot 60 rounds out of my PSA AR-V9 two days ago. Hot is an understatement, and yes extremely accurate. But, I also just ordered a new firing pin from PSA. I’m 90% sure that my original one is burnt up. I wish I could upload you a picture of one of the casings. The entire primer cap is completely flush with the casing. As well as a hole not a dent in it. 🤯

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching its a tad hot but super fast velocity hard hitting deep penatration 115 grain ammo.Out of the 4" & 5" pistols accuracy is fine and superior out of the 16.5 " Ruger PC carbine 9mm. It made a believer out of that coyote takin a dirt nap.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@obxburg hole in the primer or blown out primers is a sign of a hot load.I have not had this problem with 800 rounds pistol fired 500 rounds carbine fired .cycles and feeds great not one failure or malfunction or ejection problem.At night the muzzle blast lights up the area shuts down night vision but a flash/) compensator took care of that.

[@obxburg]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS I’ve ordered another pin. Oh make no mistake that this ammo is 💰. Thanks Again for your service Sir! Merry Christmas and as Bannon always says… Hey Democrats suck on this! ❤️🇺🇸🇺🇸❤️

[@CRinJersey]

Thank you for the info and your service!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching service was my Duty.

[@joehelvey5794]

Yeah I really like that stuff, I chono’d 10 shots and 1298 was the slowest, a few were over 1300 fps. For anyone who shoots bowling pins, that flat nose round does well for a 9mm. I actually cycled all my American Eagle and Lawman 147 grain ball with 100rd boxes of this. If you see it, buy it, you won’t be disappointed. Nice review 👍

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

OUTSTANDING Thanks for watching.

[@AJUSA1]

Scooped some up. Love running military spec ammo!

[@mdubb4855]

Barrel length?

[@krishankansal86]

Just purchased 500 rounds from optics planet for 38 cents for long term storage.... it's a great shtf round imo....

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching this ammo is great can be used for Self Defense as well as target and hunting many hogs and coyotes have fallen to this ammo when shot from my PC 9 Carbine. I recommend putting back 1000 rounds for every 9mm weapon you own. So, say if you own 3 9mm weapons put back 3,000 rounds. . Same with all firearms you own always 1,000 Rounds for each caliber weapon. When the War Starts you will be prepared to defend yourself when the invaders come use your ammo and firearm to take their weapons and their ammo. No worries about long term storage just keep it in a cool dry area, I had some surplus WWII ammo in 30-06 & .45 ACP and I fired 500 rounds of each caliber not one of them failed to fire, and that surplus ammo had been in storage for more than 75 Years. With the old 30-06 I was ringing steel at 700 meters on a 36"x18" "target with a m1917 Remington 03 Springfield look alike of WW1 ERA!

[@krishankansal86]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS ofcourse, will order 1500 rounds next month from midway since they give pretty great deals on your birthday, my friend is a le officer ( he recommended me this round) one day he was setting up swimming pool for his kids in the backyard, his doberman puppy got charged upon by a rattle snake(Arizona), he immediately loaded this round in his Beretta m9 and shot that that filthy snake, that poor bastard went flying and got knocked out almost immediately which is not typical for a snake. This round is one of the few 9mms which can knock a man off in a single round ......

[@krishankansal86]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS and keep the videos coming for the community.....btw let's go Brandon !!!!!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@krishankansal86 Wow! I like my snakes dead preferred headless! he must have hit the snake in the head! It's not about caliber its about distance to the target velocity of the round and shot placement .i am a Nuisance Wildlife Control operator and shoot most of these Nuisance critters at night with the 9mm carbine and a Ruger 10/22 .22LR Rifle both equipped with night vision I have killed 300 & 4OO pound wild boar from 50 yards away with a head shot and have had the same results with the .22 LR as the 9mm round effectively. Its Velocity Penetration and Shot Placement and round placed effectively in the Head, Neck Torso or multiples shots place to these areas will bring down the attacker if it brings down 300- & 400-Pound Pigs it will be just as effective on an attacker.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

This ammo works well in all my 9mm Pistols to include my PC 9 Carbine Rifle.

[@lukeevans9373]

Good video.

[@dylanrutan100]

Just bought 500 rounds of it from midway, excited to finally get some more range time from my Glock 19 Gen 5.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@dylanrutan100 Good for you I hope you enjoy shooting it . I have used it in my Ruger PC 9 carbine rifle and have taken several Large Boar and a few coyotes with this ammo.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@lukeevans9373 thanks for watching Luke .

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@lukeevans9373 thanks for watching.

[@thatboyaintright]

I bought 1,000 rounds at Midway usa online, but it was around 85 cents around which is pricey as hell. I can't find these in stores anymore.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Mike I ordered 5,000 rounds a year before the panic buying.

[@Zkpe02]

Targetsportsusa.com is where I bought my ammunition, again this was before all the panic buying…

[@t.g.6658]

Ammo empire has 500 round boxes for 219 fyi alot cheaper then that crazy price.

[@ericmckinley7985]

@@t.g.6658 the ammo market is volatile. That was the lowest this load cost up until very recently.

[@mdubb4855]

General theory is it's only overproduction, sold as Ranger, Active Duty without the M1152 designation, or as M1152 with or without an additonal brand name. I'm guessing if it lacks the M1152 co-branding or branding, we can't be sure it satisfies all milspec requirements, the most important to me is primer sealing and waterproof cartidge seating. Since my main interest is practicing recoil control, the distinction doesn't matter to me; but this stuff is hotter than most rounds sold as defense rounds.

[@Zkpe02]

I bought the same ammo, 1,000 rounds to be exact, for less than $250.00 with free shipping. This is great ammo and very hot loads!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching 1000 rounds for $250.00 is a good deal. 👍🐽🐗🐷🐖

[@northernninety7]

Where the fuck did you find that deal?

[@jakedasnake138]

Where in the fucking Congo?!

[@Zkpe02]

@@jakedasnake138 Bought my ammo in 2019….I knew then what was going to happen with the run on ammo and the shortages that would take place….

[@TheTaekwon3]

@@jakedasnake138? Congo

[@DailyDriverGarage]

Thank you for your service

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thank you Joe W. I would do it all again if I could.

[@gordonstanley6633]

Feels a lot like old school federal 9bple +p+ in a 4" barrel. Some very spicy 9 ball here

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Outstanding Gordon thans for watching.

[@gordonstanley6633]

No problem I like your video. There's surprisingly little info on M1152 on youtube. My Walther PDP seems to like it alot.

[@devin_the_dude]

Love this stuff! Really accurate ammunition.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thank you for the feedback, I like this in my Ruger PC 9 carbine rifle with it's 16.5" barrel the velocity is much higher works great for Feral Hogs and Coyotes it hits hard penetrats deep leaves an impressive wound cavity.

[@richstevens5727]

Given current ammo conditions I found some of this ammo online for a "decent" price. Just for target practice.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

thanks for watching.

[@mikeogden5256]

Flat face ammo has a great damage effect

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching this ammo in a carbine rifle is outstanding for hunting.

[@merdog7179]

April 13th 2021 $79.99 per box of 100. If you can even find it.

[@CGdeerslayer74]

SG AMMO has a few boxes left if you can get it. $79 for a 100rds

[@TheBroBie]

05/2021: $34.99 at Academy Sports per 100 round boxes. Don't get ripped off at LGS for ammo.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

thanks for watching

[@rob6850]

$45 per 100 this week at Academy (May '22)

[@AJUSA1]

@@rob6850 $43 per 100 on palmetto state armory site. July 9 2022

[@louieHuelsman]

Gr8 video thanks

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching its great ammo my new PSA Dagger 9mm is loaded with it.

[@nbobinger]

How many rounds have you used thus far? Have you had any malfunctions?

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

I have fired 500 rounds between PC 9 carbine & Springfield Hell Cat pistol.Killing some Coyotes & Feral Hogs with out a problem .All of the 500 rounds fired with out any malfunctions or jams .I recommend this M1152 9mm ammo for defense ,hunting ,target practice.I found it to be very accurate out of the carbine rifle.

[@sengthao1181]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS hellcat! I can't wait to go shoot mine again.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@sengthao1181 I am glad you like the ammo it shoots well in the Springfield Armory Hell Cat 9mm and the XD & XDM 9mm out of the 4.5" & 5.25 " barrel it does the advertised velocity without a problem.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@Nick B 500 Rounds thus far and not one malfunction, this stuff is a little on the hot side makes good in the Ruger PC 9 Carbine Rifle .

[@jonathanbyron2958]

Wow reminds me of the ranger t series.. Never seen these before

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching 👀 its a little hot but it's good ammo.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching Jonathan but I think the Ranger Series was 124 grain hollow points , these are FMJ flat points truncated bullets.They are a little.on the hot side in the micto compacts .but they are good hard hitting deep penetrating bullets. Good for defense in the urban defense situation or for survival. Situations. I fired 500 rounds without a failure in carbine Rifle and Pistol.

[@jonathanbyron2958]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS wow if I see these anywhere in the stores Im going to try them out

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@jonathanbyron2958 it's good stuff but its at times hard to find.

[@Wildwestwrangler]

You ever notice how most bear loads have a flat point?

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching I reload a special Pig Round 147 grain cast lead flat point a 1,600 fps out of a 16.5" Barrel and it packs a wicked punch of Hogs . I hit a 300 pound Hog at 60 yards in the forehead and the entrance hole was the size of a Nickle the Pig did not kick or twitch just collapsed .The Bullet was found in the body cavity the brain poured out of it's shattered scull .

[@mdubb4855]

All, or semi wadcutter.

[@EvanC89]

You got a damn good deal on that I wish I could find a deal like that now

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

thanks for watching I have 1000 Rounds on hand.

[@138conejo138]

Right, I went to a gun show and they charged me 350 bucks for 500 rds😢

[@EvanC89]

@@138conejo138 damn they taxin. You can find some good deals online. I just got some 9mm from midwayusa for .33cpr($16.66 box of 50) I just made an account (free) and they give huge discounts on your birthday. I got like almost a 50% discount these were originally $30 a box, shipped fast too👍

[@michaelshanahan4965]

@@EvanC89 TargetSportsUSA $32.00 for 100

[@shaneiveson517]

Been really wanting to try this ammo in my taurus g3 but not to sure they say this is equivalent to +p+ but it handles +p and nato so I'm very curious

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

It will work fine in the G3 my Son's wife carries a G3 & she has no problems.

[@shaneiveson517]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS thanks I appreciate it I passed up on 3 boxes over thinking but its good to know that someone has tried it because it is a very solid platform that doesn't get the credit it deserves

[@Wildwestwrangler]

@@shaneiveson517 you're definitely good to go. I fired 450 rounds of this stuff through a Taurus G3 without any issues

[@hunter1776]

i have a g3 and g3c got 2 boxes of 100 2day gonna give it a try once the rain stops 🤙had some issues with HP rounds jamming hope these work

[@shaneiveson517]

@@hunter1776 what kind of HP are you using I haven't had any issues so far with my G3 or millenium g2 they literally eat everything cheap premium dont matter and i hear usual malfunctions are mag related

[@unclecracker5010]

Can you shoot this thru a SHIELD PLUS 9MM. Since S&W says a +p is not recommended and this ammo is at 10-15% higher pressure than standard 9mm pressure.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching .My son has put 500 rounds thru his S&W Shield 9mm without a problem.

[@redzone1019]

Thanks for the video. Would this ammo be comparable to 9mm +p ammo? I have a keltec sub2k 9mm and was wondering would this be safe to run in my carbine.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching I shoot this ammo in my carbine and my Springfield XDM with out any problems its a little hot but is very accurate in my carbine sub moa groups at 100 yards , Get some I recommend it .enjoy. I use it for hunting Hogs & Coyotes the flat point hits hard penetrants deep leaves a nice wound channel in the animal .

[@redzone1019]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Thanks. I purchased a box from my local FFL dealer. Been a little apprehensive about trying it because someone said, that this ammo is compatible to +p+ 9mm ammo.

[@mfallen2023]

@@redzone1019 It's +p for sure. Normal SAAMI is 35,000psi. +p is between 5-10% higher pressure (38,500psi is SAAMI +P max) SAAMI doesn't have a set pressure for +p+ 9mm but its usually loaded anywhere from 39,500-42,000psi, with 42k being the NATO pressure. Shot a half a box today and its hotter than any other round I've put through my G3c, the hottest prior being +p defense loads. It's not as hot as actual NATO rounds in my opinion, though I've not put any NATO through the same pistol to have a 1:1 comparison. Says on the box that it's loaded "10-15% higher than industry standard" so it's safe to assume it's between 38,500 and 40,250psi. Nowhere does it say it's NATO-spec, so I doubt it's loaded to 42k. Unless you've got a really old 9mm I think you'll be fine. The G3c I used is a compact and it runs great, just a little more recoil than normal; about like a .40s&w recoil, so still pretty mild.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Yes it's a little Hot in a small Micro Compact 9mm Hand Gun's the Recoil is stout. But the Hogue Handall Beaver Tail Grip Sleeve helps tame the stout recoil.

[@mdubb4855]

The only widely publicized firearm failures where the outstanding Beretta 92's produced for the US government contract. Winchester screwed up the ammo design and their "normal service rounds" were unintetionally loaded to PROOF pressure levels. So during their service lives, soldiers were range shooting all proof pressure rounds. After many thousands of rounds, some Berettas failed. The government said it was a Beretta defect but Beretta investigated, discovered the Winchester improper design, and sued and won for libel. Since then Beretta beefed up all non-government 92's to handle routine proof pressure rounds (they could only fix, not improve, the government contract models, since government contracts in this case prohibit even improvements). The civilian and Marine and specal forces 92's can handle the higher pressure since the Marinies and special forces purchase under different contracts than the main contract. It's an utterly bizarre tale, this one guntuber lays it out in his well-documented videos, forget his name.

[@amandadotson8931]

Never tried these before

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

If you get a chance give them a try .They are good for target and hunting .I have killed several feral hogs and Coyotes with this ammo in a carbine rifle & Pistol.

[@mrcoldshower2823]

Date of my comment: 06/09/2021 This ammo, M1152, is rated at 1300 FPS for it's 115 grain projectile from I assume, full sized guns IE 5 inch or so barrel. And "9mm 115 Grain JHP +P+ Federal" is rated at 1300 FPS and tested from the 5 inch or so barrel to get that velocity. Sooooooo...... Why is the Federal 9BPLE rated at +p+ and the M1152 is not even marked +p????? I have 2 boxes of the Federal I bought some time ago for cheap, it sounds like the M1152 would be good practice ammo for the +p+. Midway USA has the M1152 in stock, more than I want to pay, but they have it! Anybody compare the two?

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

It's good ammo and very hard hitting out of the Ruger carbine PC 9 , I have shot some Wild Boar & Coyotes with it and it only took one hit to kill them .

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching. I have used this for hunting Pigs & Coyotes and it performed well out of both pistol & carbine .No I have not compared it to the Federal you mentioned .I like this military ammunition.

[@mrcoldshower2823]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS You need penetration for Wild Boar, you are correct to use that ammo. And from a carbine, the FPS is more like 1400, that's 357 mag velocities.

[@mrcoldshower2823]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Federal 9BPLE +p+ was developed and used by Law Enforcement that's what the "LE" means. It is "old school" now, but still works and was fairly cheap, before all this nonsense. I can NOT recommend you shoot it as it's +p+, but people do in strong guns like Glocks. Search on "Federal 9BPLE" on KZbin you will find tests for it, one linked below. He does not get 1300 FPS out of the Glock 19 (4 inch barrel), but he get pretty good. The hollow point tends to fragment IE break apart and does not over penetrate. It would be a better choice for 2 legged varmints and use the M1152 for practice. 9mm +P+ Federal 9BPLE 115 gr Gel Test kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWrMmpSOpLeUiLs

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@mrcoldshower2823 It is a proven performer in the field.

[@jeffrinehard1904]

Will this work with a Sig P320 X-Compact?

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Jeff thanks for watching, this ammo works well in any 9mm firearm with the compact you will notice the recoil is stout as this is Military Ball Ammo which tends to be a little Hot. Try it to see if you like it, But it will not harm your firearm. I have fired several mags of this ammo out of my Springfield Armory Hell Cat and not one problem, malfunction, or failure. I use it also in my PC 9 Carbine Rifle and have killed several Coyotes with it beyond 100 yards & Feral Hogs 300 & 400 pounds at 50 to 75 yards over bait it puts them down with one shot.

[@kingofalldabblers]

Hey y'all I didn't notice when I ordered these that they were like a +p+ round. I think my Springfield Hellcat says not to use +p or +p+ ammo. Do y'all think I shouldn't use this ammo?

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

I have fired over 500 rounds of this ammo in my Springfield Hell Cat without any problems.

[@kingofalldabblers]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS thanks!

[@bb2status]

Is this safe to shoot out of a gen 1 S&W shield? I'm assuming yes but I just want to be sure, I recently found some of this ammo

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Yes it's safe to shoot on the Gen 1 S&W Shield. thanks for watching.

[@mdubb4855]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Gen 1 9mm share the same recoil spring as the .40 version so I assume it was born destined for hot rounds in 9mm.

[@markledbetter2249]

No problems at all with Glock 19

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Glocks seem to eat any 9mm ammo on the market .

[@michaelshanahan4965]

TargetSportsUSA 100 rounds $32.00.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching ,I am sure you will like this ammo.

[@sebastionhawk5565]

In the real world, people try to gain cover...a 9mm, especially at 1300 + fps, will go through drywall and the plywood AND the siding, and, go into someone with sufficient penetration/energy, as it will also go through 2 car doors and into someone...the .45 falls short in those respects, efen though it has much more "momentum..." WINCHESTER ACTIVE DUTY M1152 9MM AMMO 115 GRAIN FMJFP has some superlative specs...I gotta get me some!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching.

[@marshalldillon4490]

Love this stuff a little hot ,

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

For the most part most Military Ball Ammo is +P its performs outstanding out of the Ruger PC 9 Carbine Rifle.I score hits on a 6" steel plate at 200 Yards with no problems.🇺🇸

[@t.m9341]

is it safe in micros

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching I used it in my Springfield Armory Hell Cat. No problems .Its hot but no problems .

[@sparky_-mf2cs]

Is this safe to shoot on a beretta 92 fs

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching I shoot it in my 92fs without any problem

[@bjbarlow]

The downside to using ball ammo for "home defense" is over penetration. Ball ammo is much more likely go through the threat and into something or someone else. In war getting two for one would not be a worry, however in your house where other family members are present it creates more risk for over penetration then a hollow point does by far. Just food for thought.

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Brian thanks for watching and thank for your input, I am a Combat Infantry Veteran serving in combat before retiring 29 years ago from the U.S. Army.

[@bjbarlow]

@@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS Thank you for your service Sir. Here is some interesting reading on the subject i will post below this comment if you're interested. Not to say these articles makes your experiences any less valid, just to broaden the discussion. There must be quite of bit of evidence of it for the military for them to look at changing from ball.

[@bjbarlow]

U.S. Military Moves From Full Metal Jacket To Hollowpoint Rounds by S.H. BLANNELBERRY on JULY 7, 2015 Related Tags: Ammo, Buzz, Military For decades the U.S. military has used full metal jacket (FMJ) rounds for their pistols, but are finally switching to jacketed hollowpoints (JHP). The announcement for the monumental shift was made at the U.S. Army’s Picatinny Arsenal in New Jersey, where military lawyers said the United States never signed the Hague Convention more than a century ago, and therefore are not technically prohibited from using hollowpoint ammunition. The major push for switching ammo types came out growing concern for innocent bystanders. In the urban combat today’s troops increasingly find themselves in, over-penetration is not an option. FMJ’s, which largely maintain their shape at the point of impact and excel at energy transfer, can potentially pass through their intended target and strike another, unintended target. JHP’s, on the other hand, quickly expand at the point of impact, causing a more significant wound channel while decreasing the chance of over-penetration. The military still plans to use FMJ’s for training purposes, but when it comes to combat, all troops will soon be equipped with JHP’s. That being said, the caliber of choice has yet to be determined, though many experts believe that based on FBI data, the 9MM is a solid contender. (H/T Bearing Arms, This article was a submission from freelance writer Brent Rogers)

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@bjbarlow Winchester was selected by the Army in 2017 to develop ammo for the 9mm MHS. It eventually released the M1152 full-metal jacket and M1153 special-purpose loads. The M1152 ball cartridge was designed for use against the enemy and in training, while the M1153, a jacketed hollow-point round, was suited for certain specialized and special operations-style missions. www.military.com/daily-news/2019/09/30/winchester-now-selling-ammo-developed-armys-mhs-consumers.html

[@mikewilliams8151]

Genevieve says that hollow points cause unnecessary suffering. Plus, in civil life, you are responsible for the bullet when it leaves the barrel. If you hit a bystander, your liability is up for jail. That's why law enforcement uses hollow points for shooting. Very little liability

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Not all LE uses HP ammo some are restricted to ball ammo only. Ball ammo might not open up a traumatic wound like a hollow point will but it will kill just the same. a Hollowpoint might not penetrate a car door but 9 mm ball will .Ball ammo penetrates deeper than HP .But a good point.Some special military units use the Hollow Points permitted by the Genevieve convention .

[@Zbgreek87]

9mm flipping pigs I guess I’ll be getting some of this ammo

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching this ammo works well if its good enough for our military it's good enough for me.It's not the ammo that rolled them its the shock on nerves when the bullet passed thru.When they are hit on the run their momentum and weight make them roll.No Bullet can roll a large hog even a 50 caliber .Its the shock to the nerves their speed and weight that really rolls them.Remember the 16. 5" carbine rifle the velocities are faster than the standard 4"or 5" barrel also.I am a Combat Infantryman that has used his side arm both .45ACP & 9MM on an attacking enemy combatants in the early 70s & 90s. and the military ball ammo stopped them cold.

[@KAIJINN.6]

I carry this ammo

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching .I carry it also, It performs well in the 16" and longer 9MM carbine rifles .

[@martyinthecounty]

115 g 9mm will only punch through one side of a cook stove. 124g did better.

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It will punch through two car doors without a problem. what cook stove ?? I never shot a cook stove ?I shot cars and trucks with them and they penetrated from trunk lid on a old Lincoln to the fire wall passing through the rear & front seats .shooting front to rear through the windshield it went through the seats front and rear exited the trunk lid.

[@Bertg1982]

Agreed ball ammo can kill but it’s BS that it does as well as hollow point rounds. The reason military can’t use hollow point ammo is because of the Geneva convention where they said hollow point rounds caused to much damage to tissue. I want to see the test that shows a ball round performing as well as a hollow point round. Every test I’ve done personally ball ammo goes through the target with just one or two holes but a decent hollow point round usually stops in the target while causing massive wound channels. With ball ammo you run the risk of over penetrating and continuing past the intended target with enough energy to harm whatever or whomever is behind your target.

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Thanks for watch .No BS I shoot alot and Ive hunted with this M1152 II5 GRAIN ammo in a carbine rifle & Pistol and the flat nose of this ball ammo does more damage to the Animal ie Wild Boar the Wounds are devestating I have made well places shoulder shots with the HP and had the hog to run 100 yards before finding it and have to use another round to dispatch it. The HP was stopped by shoulder bone but the ball destroyed the shoulder and dropped the hog in its tracks . Ive shot every thing from Humans ,Deer , Hogs ,coyotes with ball and HP ammo the ball won out in these shootings resulting in death of the target , my question what have you shot with 9mm ? I never BS and I am not going to provide you with a test I can oniy tell you FROM my experiance with 9mm and what I killed with it . The Enemy combatant I shot with 9mm Ball 128 grain NATO of one round fired the round hit center of the chest the enemy combatant fell forward on his face Dead he was loading an rpg and about 4 yards from me.. I never used an HP on a Human but have used ball and hp on several Wild Boar Deer Coyotes it kills as effectivly as the HP Shot placement is key .I am in the field every night with my Job as Nuisance Wild Life Control Operator and have used 9mm Ball in both pistol and Carbine Rifle with night vision IR & Thermal .

[@wawilked1]

Should have went with Glock

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I am not a fan of Glocks. But thanks for watching.