Winchester M1152, The US Army's New 9mm Load?!

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

I have used this ammo in my Ruger PC 9 Carbine and have taken several Feral Hogs & Several Coyotes out to 150 Yards.

[@mikeking9777]

THANKS, JUST BOUGHT THESE FOR MY PC9 FOR COYOTES AND FOX. CANT WAIT TO TRY EM OUT

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

@@mikeking9777Thanks for watching, they hit hard make wicked wounds on Pigs & Coyotes.

[@itskidkelly]

@@mikeking9777 fox? Aren’t those usually a good thing to have around? You got chickens or something?

[@mikeking9777]

@@itskidkelly Naw I got couple of outside cats for mice and rat control. Plus we've had two foxes in the past year that was rabid.

[@mikeking9777]

Im also back using 124gr +P Winchester pdx1 and USA ready. Also tried Win 147gr silvertip hps, they worked ok. The m1152s are better suited for them chunky hogs not them skinny coyotes and foxes. Thanks again.

[@PolynesianSaus]

Got a box of this stuff and used some of it last weekend, I’m normally not a fan of Winchester ammo, but I was quite impressed after months of shooting nothing but Magtech.

[@abcdaw22]

That means you are a new gun owner and know nothing about firearms. The little knowledge you THINK you know, is the bs you read off the internet in the past 2 years when you bought your first gun. Magtech and Winchester is premium ammo, better then the junk made by federal. Again, you don't know crap about firearms.

[@PolynesianSaus]

@@abcdaw22 lmao, I’ve been shooting two decades. I’ve gone through plenty of boxes of Winchester with rounds with dead primers, over pressure rounds, under pressure rounds. Don’t get your panties in a twist!

[@abcdaw22]

@@PolynesianSaus lmao. You are lying. You been shooting for maybe 2 years. You are claiming Magtech is bad ammo because it's not made in the "usa". You don't know crap about firearms. And u sure as hell haven't been shooting for 2 decades, maybe shooting your red Ryder bb gun. 🤣. Magtech is better then most ammo aka federal

[@PolynesianSaus]

@@abcdaw22 I’m certainly not lying, you seem to be having a hard time with simple facts, bud. A quick look through your comments shows you like to make asinine statements and then argue in the replies with people that call you out, so I’m just gonna say have a good night and try not to drink so much.

[@357-swagnumultramagax9]

@@abcdaw22 did your wife leave you or something? Why so mad ?

[@armedpreacher]

This stuff is no freakin joke. Out of my GX4 it feels insane

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

You always get the good stuff. All these years you've quietly plugged away cranking out valuable information for the public at no cost to anyone besides yourself. Ive not been able to be a patron for a long time now, but I hope you believe me when I say that I appreciate you immensely.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you very much! I like helping people so in a roundabout way this is hopefully helping everyone learn about ammo, and firearms :D Patreon and Adsense are certainly good compensation, but even then you watching and taking info away makes my day!

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

@@BuffRANGE You really are a class act amigo. For what it's worth I don't use ad blocker, lol. Thanks again!

[@johndaugherty4127]

Amen

[@tommccormick9290]

I shot 150 rounds of it out of my new S&W FPC carbine last week. You could feel & hear it's power! Loved it. Also shoots tight groups. Now I'm hooked.

[@TheGunBub]

This was exactly the video I’ve been begging you for thank you!!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Hope you enjoyed it! Share it around :D

[@stevenmerlock9971]

Love S&G Ammo = miss the old days when you could drop by the warehouse and load up the truck

[@Platano_macho]

I know I’m near Perkins and it’s only 6 miles away from my house

[@Radvous]

Thanks for making these videos. I've been following the channel for years now and it is by far the best ammunition testing channel. Great for learning all ammo technical data.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@Theoneuknow7]

I have shot this out of my Beretta 92fs and it is certainly snappy. I shot 50 rounds at the range and it is something to get used to.

[@reubenmorris487]

Ever shot Underwood? Their 124 g Gold Dots are about the same velocity as these Winchester 1152s, but with more recoil, out of a Beretta 92 compact with Wilson Combat flat wire recoil spring. Top notch production and presentation.

[@hardlylivin6602]

@@reubenmorris487 I've not shot that specific ammo but I have shot Winchester 124gr +p+ ranger T's out of my 92fs. They got some pop to them.

[@nicholasnissen1547]

I've been shooting some of it and it is Spicy factory round. I like it.

[@BuffRANGE]

Nice!

[@timjohnson8390]

Not bad wound tracks for "ball" ammo

[@Olds350rocket]

I recently scored a bunch of this at ten a box and have been having a lot of fun with it. This video was awesome. Thanks alot

[@BuffRANGE]

You are most welcomed

[@jayblemsin4226]

10 a box ? The boxes are 100rd. Lucky find !

[@jamesswaskoski3735]

Did the same with the fpc.... loved it

[@SEAKPhotog]

Interesting, thanks. I bought a 150 rnd box of this a few weeks ago. Didn't know anything about it other than it was the last box of bulk 9 on the shelf. Haven't shot it yet but it looks like a decent SHTF kinda load, especially in an 8 - 16in barrel PCC. Also maybe be OK for lighter weight 9mm hiking/critter load (I usually carry 10mm Underwood Xtreme penetrators but there are times when I'm hiking with just my 9mm carry and keeping a mag of this on hand for unplanned hikes seems worthwhile now that I've got it).

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

Thanks for watching its good stuff.

[@dalejrjunior1298]

honestly if ur hiking anywhere start carrying a shotgun with slugs a bears only gonna get more pissed of with a 9mm unless you get a crack shot on it. if u only have small animals i could definitely see a 9mm being enough

[@MrNikkoz]

SG Ammo does really well to provide good pricing. They are consistently the most cost effective vendor i have used.

[@44hawk28]

The only 9 mm I own is a P35 Argentine military Browning that my dad bought years ago, it is the most accurate 9 mm I've ever witnessed in my life. I have carried it just a few times because I I'm not a huge fan of The Nightmare cartridge unless you can get every ounce of velocity out of it. That's why I kept that firearm with a 4 and a half inch barrel

[@BuffRANGE]

Brownings are nice!

[@zantrex4]

Thank you for testing 16" for this round! Subscribed.

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome, thank you! I now have my own 16" so it will be used in all applicable 9mm videos :D

[@BuffRANGE]

Macros: flic.kr/s/aHsmWMU9CH AR500 Armor: bit.ly/3m6wskj

[@Guns-Guitars1310]

Damn. Those are some hot puppies. Wow! Great video. Love the big screw readout!!!!

[@tthomp57]

You should get higher velocities with lower humidity. I appreciate the multiple bbl length tests. It obviously makes a difference! Thanks for the testing!

[@BuffRANGE]

I thought humidity lowers the air density then in turn offers less resistance for the bullet ?

[@patriotmd]

​@@BuffRANGE This is the way.

[@beakfish7319]

Underwood makes a very nice 124gr flat tip 9mm +P as well with a 1250fps rating. they also make a 9mm +p+ 147gr flat point round with an 1175fps listed velocity. worth looking into if this is your jam.

[@matthewhartup941]

Ravioli? Holy Cannoli! Them velocities really got me going

[@PhilWitDa_45]

This is my winter carry round up here in WI...pretty potent for 9mm

[@nelsonr1467]

Why would you carry fmj?

[@PhilWitDa_45]

@@nelsonr1467 penetration...idk where u from but in winter here a 270lb man might have on 2 t shirts a thermal shirt a Hoodie and a thick Carhartt...I usually run 200grain + p .45 out of G21 or G30 but if I do carry the G17 I run a 19x mag with this and 124+p JHP alternating

[@nelsonr1467]

@@PhilWitDa_45 Yeah I usually carry Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +p. I'm pretty sure that can go through thick cloth.

[@PhilWitDa_45]

@@nelsonr1467 yea Gold Dots are top notch. My thought is just with 6+ layers of cloth and denim type material if the hollow point plugs up it will be same thing as FMJ

[@WeencieRants]

The last time I qualified with the M9 was December last year and this is what we used. It was like shooting .40 cal for felt recoil. I didn’t care too much for it. Would rather have the regular 124gr nato stuff.

[@abcdaw22]

You should grow a pair

[@northernninety7]

Wait...it felt like 40 in big ass M9? I shoot this in ammo in my 320 and it feels fine.

[@WeencieRants]

@@northernninety7 I don't own a 40. And I haven't shot one in a long time. But it was much more snap than the regular 124gr nato. The easiest comparison was comparing it to 40. I've shot a lot in my time and this stuff is hands down the hottest factory 9mm I've ever shot. But yes shooting this in the M9 was like shooting +p carry ammo in a sub compact or a 40cal pistol. Very snappy.

[@northernninety7]

@@WeencieRants Admittedly, Im used to shooting 45 or snappy 9mm micro 9s so this stuff out of my fullsize seemed pretty soft to me.

[@mechveteran01]

Agreed man, thats how I described it to one of my gun buddies too. It really does feel more like a .40 recoil impulse than standard fare nines. All of yall dogging him for saying what he did.. your extreme masculinity has been duly noted. Now go slam a 12-er of Bud and pick a fight with a random person, you know, to fully codify and prove to the world just how badass you truly are

[@jakerogers6562]

The words three inch and extreme penetration usually aren't used in the same sentence lol. Good test as usual. Ill have to try to pick up a case of this.

[@scubaguy007]

Nice rest. I’d love to see a Paul Harrell meat test on these. Reminds me of my 124gr FMJ S&B NATO.

[@Thomas-yw9eo]

Yesterday I fired it in my new Smith and Wesson FPC carbine. Felt more like I was firing a rifle caliber than just a 9mm but loved the feel of it's power.

[@bigdave_inmo938]

Seem alittle more hotter and faster than the Winchester Nato 124 Enjoy watching the channel have a great day 🔫💥💥🇺🇸

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you!

[@bigdave_inmo938]

Welcome

[@hansgruber9685]

WAY hotter.

[@Mustard_Face]

Good stuff. I may have to check this out and give it a try at the range to see how I like it.

[@mrdark9916]

I got 500rnd of this stuff a while back, i kinda use it as a buffer/alternative to shooting my 124gr +P carry loads. Every few weeks ill shoot the rounds out of my 2 carry mags and reload them, otherwise ill shoot this stuff just to simulate a bit more pop. Also if im doing woods stuff, i keep a mag thats stacked every other round is FMJ/ Gold Dot/FMJ and so on just so i have some extra penetration if needed on animals.

[@TheGunBub]

Yayyyyy!!!! Finally thanks Buffman!!!

[@MilesLong556x69]

I love the flat nose fmj videos. Especially meat and gel.

[@robbabcock_]

Terrific video!🔫

[@CheeseBurgerXJ]

So this ammo is the same as sg9w from what I can gather, seems they upped the velocity from the your last test on sg9w from 5 years ago. I think so at least I’m not 100% sure

[@Sigrafix]

Pretty good performance for 9mm.. I currently carry .357 sig 125gr flat nose fmj 1500fps. I'll be buying some JHP rounds now from Buffalo Bore.. seems like over penetration might be an issue afterall. Lol.

[@hansgruber9685]

Are you serious? A .357 sig with ball ammo? Of course over penetration is a concern!

[@Sigrafix]

@@hansgruber9685 It's been difficult getting .357 sig through out this pandemic.. the only supply I got was from a gun show and all they had was flat nose fmj. It's slowly starting to come back, still hard to find hollow points tho.. I hope underwood produces some .357 sig defender soon..

[@squatchwatch5237]

@@Sigrafix you and me both buddy. Seems underwood has been using all they're bullets for 9mm. Luckily I've stacked .357 sig over the years but I feel your pain. I got 50 Rd boxes from underwood in they're nosler and xtp HP from when they still sold those

[@squatchwatch5237]

@@Sigrafix main thing I've wanted to aquire more of IS THE defender rounds from underwood which I didn't stack up on when they were plentiful. Kicking myself in the ass now

[@Sigrafix]

@@squatchwatch5237 I didn't know about .357 sig until after the pandemic hit.. I saw a new G32 Gen4 randomly at a gun show and had to have it Lol.. I really want to try that Underwood Defender .357 sig 2000fps+.. I have PPU 125gr which claims 1500fps, don't know how true that is but it's still fun to shoot. Oh well..

[@xnorcal831x]

Wish it was a hp offering as well. That would be crazy looking.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

They have some, winchester M1153

[@MyLonewolf25]

They do, m1153

[@mblake0420]

They should have uses extreme defender that hot

[@corycarlson8712]

Possible dangerous game load if all you have is a 9mm and can't afford some of the underwood loads?

[@BuffRANGE]

That’s very true with penetration like we saw.

[@mengdynasty6034]

Shot a 100 rds of this through my p320 x compact, just one failure to eject. But shoots great and accurate. Didn’t really notice the snappiness due to the sig being comped. Thanks for the great info!!!

[@MrHrKaidoOjamaaVKJV]

Good insightful test. Based on what I see with these new 115 grain 9mm rounds,the results look very impressive, which seems to be effective for personal self defense purposes. With my background as both a military and civilian LEO and as a known specity bullet series inventor, with my research and development experiences as well as three of my customers who are firearms and ballistic specialists the testing results in most testing showed that a solid metal Flat Nose Bullet were the overall best most effective for overall emergency/police use situations from penetration in barriers to also effectivly stopping dangerous attacking apex predatorial animals. Knowing such, I carry factory loaded solid metal truncated Flat Nose bullets as they are the way to go with.

[@mechveteran01]

Great video sir, very informative! Its the first one of yours I've seen but I definitely enjoyed it

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome, thank you! I'm more dry and data focused then many, but if you learn something or get the data you need from my videos, that makes my day, and I'm glad to help!

[@asymsolutions]

I wouldn't put this stuff in anything but my M17, and that's because well, that's what I'm forced to use for competition. Not as a target load. This is above the chamber pressure for 9mm by about 4000psi. While that is acceptable self defense rounds, once you get to 3-4k rounds of +P+ through any firearm the stress components are going to start having issues, that means your slide, extractor, chamber, and if it's not a tilt barrel design, locking lugs. Running above spec ammo was why the original M9 had it's slide failures in the U.S. military. We are already seeing the same things start to happen with the M17/M18. M1152 is a round without the trajectory of most self defense rounds thanks to it's 115gr bullet, but the increased recoil and wear of +P+ defense rounds, and the quality of Winchester, which well, when you are running at the max, you don't want that extra 1% deviation. IF civilian M1152 is the same quality as what I've had to shoot, no thanks. I've had around a 1% failure rate in around 2500rds with the ammo since 2020 in either bad primers, ripped off casing bases, and 3 squibs. A 3900psi target load is something I'd only consider for a PCC that can really make use of that extra pressure for velocity increase, and only on a PCC designed for 10mm originally and sized down to a 9x19 chamber. Maybe one that was originally for 45acp, but that would only be if the barrel's exterior chamber thickness was the same (like 9mm 1911's have) and extractor was enlarged.

[@classicgunstoday1972]

Wow. The velocity you are getting out of your full sized pistol (1300+) is what I get out of my M9 Beretta with a 4.9 inch barrel...using the Federal 9BPLE +P+ 115 gr JHP...and what you are shooting is not +p+, +p or even NATO. I wonder what winchester is doing to keep this within SAAMI pressures. Great video and presentation

[@MB-jg4tr]

It's absolutely a +p round

[@nobodyatall7039]

I wish I could find the ballistic coefficient for this bullet for long range carbine calculations. Most 115 grain projectiles fall between .12 and .155 (presumably calculated at subsonic velocities) There's a pretty significant difference in energy, impact velocity, wind drift, and trajectory beyond 75 yards within this range, but the carbine is easy to score hits with on large targets at 300 yards or more.

[@kevpachakey]

This ammo has got to be made to shoot through car panels and windshields by MPs is my guess

[@MB-jg4tr]

Exactly. It was designed for urban combat, providing straight path flight through barriers.

[@tinopacino9400]

Hot Rounds Man!!

[@44hawk28]

That is the first time I've seen 16 inches get more velocity. That powder has got to be about the same speed as h110.

[@BuffRANGE]

I think every 9mm I've tested always is gaining velocity even out of the 16".

[@Thomas-yw9eo]

Most interesting ammo video I've seen in a long time. Great ammo but it's not cheap.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

I wonder how the Corbon 115 grain load velocity is?

[@nataliedeyton6829]

If I send you some defender ammo 125gn 9 mm major JHP ammo to test will you ? It’s said to achieve 1400 FPS

[@BuffRANGE]

Who makes it?

[@waynemetzger6251]

Very very impressive 👏!!!!

[@malcolmkermode9794]

The flat nose is providing super cavitation. In other words the gel isn't contacting the sides of the projectiles providing the increased penetration.

[@cowboywoodard2569]

Great Job!! My friend

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks a lot!

[@p99guy]

About the time you came out with this video, I was about to get 700 rds of M1152 to stick back, then it got scarce….. I have never been able to get hold of M1153 hollow point as of 9/14/23. But I allways wonder why they paired 147gr HP with 115gr FMJ FN…. Especially when the NATO standard M998 is 124gr…. Regulating POI for fixed sights would have to made more difficult.

[@markanthonystringfellow3923]

Top Job B!! Nice Results :-)))

[@BuffRANGE]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@markanthonystringfellow3923]

@@BuffRANGE Anytime bro :)

[@gbullock2598]

Winchester nato 124gr and m1152, i use for defensive rounds.

[@susanissajoke]

I think it's neat. This is the first video I've watched where you can actually hear the trigger reset being picked up. At first I was like wtf is that sound.

[@Peace-ju9us]

...if it was a JHP, almost better than 30 Carbine

[@northernninety7]

They make the JHP version but they chose 147 gr for some reason.

[@squatchwatch5237]

Speed makes a 115gr +p+ which mirrors these velocities

[@josephpacchetti5997]

Interesting Video Matt, Thanks For Sharing. Subbed.

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks for the sub! I do a lot of ammo testing and armor testing over here :D

[@kennethrisner8648]

I enjoyed this one. I;d like to see you do this again except place plates of something to simulate bone at both ends of the first block

[@obxburg]

I would love to see what your casings/primer caps look like. I shot 60 rounds a couple days ago and the caps were completely flattened. I just ordered a new firing pin as I believe mine was cooked. Thanks for the video 🙌🏼

[@jimhovater8755]

The USAF actually tested a 124gr TCFMJ 9mm round back in the early 1980s.

[@gnomereviews]

I’m at 8:19 paused. Good accuracy. Not impressed with the velocity’s or grain weight being it’s an “Army” load but it makes sense.. Cheap military/leo budgets. You would think with the lighter grain options available to the civilian market they would have went with something lighter.

[@pewpewTN]

What? How are you not impressed with the velocity? It's some of the fastest for weight 9mm ammo you can get.

[@gnomereviews]

@@pewpewTN what I meant was you’d think they would have went with a lighter grain weight to get higher velocity at least be able to penetrate 3A soft armor.

[@pewpewTN]

@@gnomereviews I don't think that's much of a concern. If you go too light for caliber, you end up with a litany of other issues & all you get back is would be a possibility to defeat soft armor. You would be so much better off just fully converting to 5.7x28 than by dropping to super light 9mm.

[@gnomereviews]

@@pewpewTN I have SS190 for my 5.7 pair. 50GR plus p Liberty Civil Defense is my primary defense 9mm load. 68gr Xtreme Defender plus p in a G34. The weights go up from there.. Check out my channel. VP9SK is my edc CCW. MK2 is my primary pistol. Eventually I’ll do a review on the MK57 when I get more rounds down range. MK2 has been accurized nicest handgun I own. MK2 and MK57 have the same mags and trigger pull weight 3.2lbs. Gotta get a newer light before I can get a custom holster. I got finessed last December when I tried paying for a holster for the current light attatched (TLR-3). It works/looks great but according to a kydex maker it’s too old so I’m gonna get an X-300B asap then I can FINALLY get a holster for my MK2. Until then I’m keeping the TLR-3 on it works great anyone that says otherwise can blank off lol.

[@Fudmottin]

I'm impressed. I wonder how hot 9mm can be loaded to and still hold together.

[@shooter-vx7xy]

With ball ammo, what does it matter?

[@Fudmottin]

@@shooter-vx7xy I would probably load it with XTPs.

[@jonahpatton8879]

@@Fudmottin XTPs hold together VERY well at all velocities.

[@Fudmottin]

@@jonahpatton8879 That's why I would use them for hot loads.

[@callum1465]

@@Fudmottin lookup the Underwood 115 grain +p+ HP for your answer, it’s a crazy round.

[@bereadygodprotect.3598]

Great video, I picked up 5, 150 rd boxes for 54.99 each.

[@BuffRANGE]

Nice!!

[@richardcarden4161]

Where did you get that deal?

[@sloanmagnum5009]

Bought a case of this stuff in 2018/19 before the pandemic ammo drought. Havent fired a single round of it yet. Picked it up to hang on to it if things got worse which they clearly did.

[@joedouche3818]

Same reason I started buying more ammo and not guns, I got my fav guns that I'm very good with, now with inflation and maybe nuke war with Russia? Ppl in the states will be going wild for simple goods. Stay ready.

[@highsecurityagent8778]

This is carbine ammo, very hot.

[@doghousedon1]

This is pretty good shooting stuff. It's almost as good as what I make. Thanks for the vid.

[@doghousedon1]

Perhaps this is the ammo I should carry. The military thinks it's the best, and they are in the business of shooting people. How can one argue with that?! Thanks for the vid.

[@archaicsage4803]

Grind the tip off flat and these would make a nice soft point.

[@Whitefeather83]

wow, that's a smoking hot rd. glad to see that. I will be grabbing some of that.

[@SuspiciousGanymede]

Not saying you should, but this would be a great round for bear/hog defense should you only have a 9mm. That's Hardcast level penetration!

[@deejayimm]

I was watching someone on Joe Rogan, I think it was one of those special forces guys that does a lot of hunting now, and he said he carries a 9 mm for bear defense.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

@@deejayimm Less damage and penetration per round, but a lot more capacity. I can see the logic in that.

[@deejayimm]

@@chemistryofquestionablequa6252 he said it's the ability to put repeated rounds on target that makes it more effective. I can't remember because its been awhile, but I feel like he said something like you shoot them in the head several times with a 9 mm and they rethink their idea of attacking you.

[@chemistryofquestionablequa6252]

@@deejayimm makes sense, a couple of hot 9mm rounds to the head should kill any animal in North America.

[@xPureRage]

​@@deejayimm Ik this is a bit late, but a hole in the brain is a hole in the brain. A 9mm is not going to simply bounce off or be deflected by a bear skull like some ppl think. Elephant maybe, but a grizzly skull can be penetrated with 22lr. Of course having the extra power and mass of something like 10mm or .357mag/.44mag will definitely help against a bear, but at close range there's no reason a modern 9mm, (especially an FMJ moving 1200fps) shouldn't smash thru a grizzly skull. Now actually getting the shots on target is a whole different situation all together... Carry whatever you're most comfortable with shooting accurately and quickly. The biggest round you can shoot fast and accurately while staying on target. A 9mm will and has certainly dropped large game animals like bears. The whole idea of anything smaller than a 10mm will just piss the bear off is bs.

[@toshmiller5571]

Thanks

[@highsecurityagent8778]

Test the Norma 124gr and 115gr 9mm. Thanks Buffman.

[@doejohn8674]

That looks like the right ammo for a subgun used to hose bad guys in a room! It's a pity they didn't make it more 'pointy' might have helped to go thru 3A. EDIT: useful for bear defensive use?

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

Shape of the bullet doesn’t matter as much as velocity

[@mblake0420]

​@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 flat nose bullets penetrate more, round nose tumble causing less penetration

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@mblake0420 In the context of the original comment, velocity does in fact matter more than bullet profile.

[@mblake0420]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 yea of coarse but not at these speeds, flat nose penetrate more than round in almost all context, a few 100fps won't matter

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@mblake0420 Not when it come to penetrating body armor.

[@Pookie556x45]

"It's a 88 Magnum, they made for him special"

[@williammccarthy4036]

How would this feed in the MKE AP5?

[@BuffRANGE]

don't know :( I'd need one to test..

[@williammccarthy4036]

@@BuffRANGE this would be hotter than win q4318 right, 9mm nato.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@williammccarthy4036 yes this is hotter. The Q4318 is 124gr, and this is 115gr but it's a BIT faster..

[@lorenzoguice]

I run 147gr flat nose fmj

[@mikewilliams8151]

That would be used as last result ammo. When no bystander is around. Basically like the military use in combat

[@colt45peacemaker]

Riot ammo

[@robertwatson818]

It is "snappy" because it is real 9mm performance level. Most of what we buy is loaded down to be court proof. What is that clicking when using the long gun??

[@PoundItNailIt]

Trigger reset?

[@petersonl1008]

Wow. I'll need a few cases of that.

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed!

[@fajile5109]

For sure thats +P. You gotta go hotter the round ain’t changing its 100 years old. Nice round i like the flat nose stuff.

[@jstud999]

It’s actually loaded to a +p+ psi

[@no.step.on.snek.2423]

Thats pretty sick . 1500 fps in 9mm.

[@LeFFLaNE44]

1600**

[@Dennisthemenace40]

With penetration like that, it would be a viable option for a 9mm pistol for bear defense if a 9mm was all that you had.

[@rDigital2A]

Good work. We gotta get you a Thermacell for those skeeters.

[@BuffRANGE]

Yes we do

[@samv7407]

I would like to request a video. Fiocchi 9mm 124 jhp vs other 124gr options.

[@BuffRANGE]

I'm kind of getting out of doing ballistic gel testing videos. Mainly due to the cost of the gel blocks, and remaking them. I might have some 124gr Fiocchi data somewhere. I did pick up some 124gr V-crown to do winding down.

[@JulianLares]

Im going to dub this new ammo as .355 magnum. Since it wants to perform like 357 magnum

[@patriotmd]

Do you happen to have a chart with all the metrics recorded?

[@arminiusthehibernian7282]

@buffman -r.a.n.g.e. -Very surprised but I just watched your video in which you reviewed the IWI 124 g +P HP and if I recall this round has close to a gram more powder in it. This round was supersonic in even the 3" Hellcat. A companion HP round would sell like mad with any concealed carry owners or even those with full-sized ones as well (Glock 17, 1911, etc.).

[@tommccormick1845]

I'd like to see what rifle length velocities do to level 2 armor. That's what I wear.

[@jfowler7604]

I just now became interested in this ammo only to discover that it appears to be discontinued. My retail outlets seem not to have had any in months. There is "some" out there but I'm in Cali so can't buy online. I emailed W-W about this but got a non-answer. I'm guessing that if it's ever re-released, it will not be the same velocity spec.

[@BuffRANGE]

No online place will ship to you? SG Ammo has it..

[@jfowler7604]

@@BuffRANGE No, they won't ship direct at all. Some will ship to an FFL but there's a transfer fee, background check fee and a delay. Plus, many FFLs have discontinued the service due to paperwork on their end and possible repercussions.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@jfowler7604 sorry :(

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

I find the folks that say 9mm ball ammo will not kill but those that say that never shot anything with it.

[@BIGALEX_DRDOOM]

Did a little experiment today and Made some 5.7x28mm wildcat ill let yall know on any updates. 🙏🏽

[@BuffRANGE]

Cool!

[@marinevet7273]

Where did you purchase the safety glasses?

[@BuffRANGE]

They're an older set of Oakley Jawbreakers that I put clear lens in.

[@knottywoodoutdoors4932]

Oof that's hot. Besides adhering to war rules that we never agreed to, why are we still issuing fmj rounds for sidearms? Am I missing something here?

[@BuffRANGE]

That I don't know. They have an M1153 which is a JHP as well, but don't think that's standard issue.

[@smithnwesson990]

Shouldn't be issuing FMJ for 5.56 or 7 62 either. 75gr Hornady TAP or 64 Gr Federal Bonded would put bad guys down much better

[@Silentblogger659]

@@smithnwesson990 yeah, it's almost like the 6.8 gig is entirely pointless with the right bullet

[@knottywoodoutdoors4932]

@@Silentblogger659 not sure if youre serious haha, but I actually agree with that. The 77 grain bullet they have been buying up recently is considerably more effective in the AR platform weapons than anything they have been using since 55 grain 20" barrels

[@Silentblogger659]

@@knottywoodoutdoors4932 I've got loads of mk262 sost which what you're referring to. I agree. It's a great bullet. 6.8 is truly pointless when we issue 308 platforms. Though we could talk for hours of the incompetence of logistics and brass making these decisions. We should've switched to the Scar platform entirely, years ago.

[@stevegillespie6424]

Thanks for the video. I've got some of this and could tell it was hot coming out of my 16" AR PCC. If any 9MM AR guys can help me out. I'm getting a lot of failure to feed and failure to eject, with this ammo, in my 16" PCC. I have an 11oz extended length buffer, Faxon 9mm BCG, and its a PSA Colt stick mag dedicated lower. Regular 115gr 9mm, such as Blazer, works flawlessly, but this M1152 causes all kinds of issues. Any ideas?

[@chadh3441]

If you don't have any issues with standard ammo, I'd be willing to bet that it might have to do with your buffer weight/spring individually or as a combo. I say that because so many have commented that this type of ammo is more like a +P level and seems to be a little hotter than standard ammo. Maybe the spring is a touch in the weak side causing it to recoil at a fast enough rate that the extractor doesn't have the time to get a good bite in the casing to pull it out and discard it. It also could be that the speed of the bolt as it recoils actually causes the extractor to release early or late causing it to jam. I might be totally out in left field and not even close to being correct, but I thought I would mention it since the same issues appear to be common with AR pistols needing slightly heavier buffers to make the gun cycle more smoothly. Good luck and let us know when you discover what the problem was.

[@asdaven1]

I have a 16" PCC AR and this ammo shoots good with the right magazines. It's glock fed and if I use a Glock factory hi cap magazine , it feeds. If I use a Magpul Glock mag it sometimes jams loading the first round. It's because it's flat pointed bullets vs round nose hanging up and catching on the feed ramp on the barrel. I have less failures to feed with this than hollow point loads though which give the most issue especially 147 grain hollow points. I really don't know why these use flat point bullets over round nose with this load because I like the load. But with glock factory mags, this ammo is almost 100% reliable in my rifle. I like the load and my gun setup handles the heat fine. As far as failure to eject, I don't know why a hotter load would not eject over a lighter load. But here's my set up. I have a Macon Armory 7.5 9mm Deadblow Buffer and am running it with a Tubb .308 Rifle Flatwire spring. Those two things fixed almost all the issues with my gun and this is a smooth setup IMO. The .308 flat wire spring is stronger but it's progressive over something like a Wolff XP spring that I tried and slammed the bolt home pretty hard. It doesn't look like it's gonna fit into the buffer too and is a PITA to get in there when you get it, but it will fit and work and make the gun run smooth. A 11 oz is probably too heavy for 9mm and would make more since in a .45 ACP setup or 10mm. I'd get a 7.5-8.5 oz buffer and a .308 Tubb Spring.

[@stevegillespie6424]

@@asdaven1 Thanks, I did install a Strike Industries flatwire spring, and that didn't help very much, with the M1152 malfunctions. However, I did notice much more consistent ejection pattern, using standard pressure 9mm, with the flat wire spring. Runs great on standard pressure 115gr 9mm Norma, Wolf, S&B etc. etc. I will try a lighter weight buffer, and see if that helps. To me it seems like the bolt speed is just to fast. Wouldn't a lighter buffer exacerbate that issue?

[@asdaven1]

@@stevegillespie6424 That 11oz buffer is probably a solid buffer too. I have the Macon Armory 7.5 oz buffer which is filled with lead pellets. It has a dead blow effect. The Tubbs spring might be different than the Strike Industries. I have the .308 RIFLE length one. When you get it, it looks wayy too long to fit in a Carbine buffer tube. But it ll fit, installation is a little bit of a PITA to get it over the buffer detent. But it compresses because it's a flat wire spring and slams the bolt home not as hard as the XP Wolff spring I started out with and also manages to keep more pressure than the Wolff spring on the bolt opening after firing. Lots of my problems disappeared with this specific spring. I had a 8.5 oz solid Q buffer to start with and it was the spring that specifically improved reliability. The 7.5 oz dead blow buffer made the gun smoother. One other component.....weigh your bolt. Not all 9mm bolts are equal. My bolt was on the lighter side around 14 oz. I swapped out my steel weight in the back of the bolt (remove roll pin and reinstall) that came with my bolt and bought the KAK Tungston Heavy weight replacement. This bumped the weight of my bolt a couple ounces to more around 16oz. Some 9mm bolts like NFA come stock at 16oz. But cheaper to swap out the weight than a entire bolt if it'll fit. The KAK one fit mine and was smaller but heavier than the steel one since its tungston. This made a combined weight of bolt and buffer around 23 oz. They say 21-23 oz combined bolt and buffer is ideal. Now say your Faxon bolt is on the lighter side of 9mm bolts like mine around 14 oz? With that 11 oz buffer, that would be around 25 oz. Too heavy. Some people run buffers as low as 5.5 oz and say it's better. But I disagree. Heavier is better from my experience with this but it can be too heavy of a setup. 21-23 combined weight is what your working with. Even with a 7.5 oz buffer and XP Spring, my PCC was throwing cases 20 ft before I added the 2oz extra weight to the bolt...now throws it about 5-10 ft. So the 7.5 oz Macon Buffer and Tubb .308 rifle spring combo cured most of my reliabilty issues. The extra weight in the bolt made the gun even smoother IMO but the gun heavier. Really the TUBB .308 Rifle spring alone cured all the problems. Because then I was using the 8.5 oz solid buffer when I swapped springs. The only thing I haven't tried is a hydraulic buffer which does sounds promising. But im pretty happy with how my current combo runs. It makes the gun heavy but it runs smooth. In your case this combo would make your gun lighter. The Hydraulic buffers are expensive and I question the longivity. Yeah it may run even smoother and good but weight and mass IMO is more reliable than relying on hydraulic fluid and a seal that can blow or fail. Then if it fails, it might make a mess and you don't have as much mass there then you risk an out of battery discharge and the bolt opening too early. The lead shot in my buffer that I'm using more or less has a similar effect to a hydraulic buffer.

[@asdaven1]

Correction...Just looked up the Tubb springs. They only sell 2 buffer springs. One for the AR15 that fits both rifles and carbine buffer tubes and one for the AR10 that fits rifle and carbine tubes. For the 9mm PCC, I'm using the AR10 one. Don't know if your Strike Industries spring is for a AR15 or AR10. AR10 spring is longer and more stout.

[@ryanranard5187]

Hey man, where did you get your 9mm shirt?

[@BuffRANGE]

ZQI sent me that.

[@josiahb55]

Awesome

[@Threegunmaster]

If its cloudy it can effect a chronograph

[@985shane]

it's a sales pitch to the military higher velocity or more knock down power time will tell how good it really is

[@TheAquadian]

1:41 jesus man watch where you're pointing that thing!

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

I for one ducked for cover