Windows 11 Major "Moment 4" Update - Best New Features

[@ThioJoe]

So basically even though this isn't technically the 23H2 update, it still contains all the new features for this year. The actual "23H2" update later will literally just update the version number and apparently nothing else (being called an "enablement package"). Not sure why they are doing it that way but it do be like that.

[@andljoy]

They have used enablement packages for a while , most if not all updates for a major version 22H2 etc are already there , the enablement package is almost literally just a PowerShell script to enable them and bump the version number. They do still ship full updates for going from an older version , for example 1809 to 20H2 need a full update of a few GB but if you had at least 2009 ( i think , its been a while since i did our rollout) it was just a tiny update package. Same with 20H2 to 22H2 (win10) it was a tiny enablement package ( and saved me a lot of stress :P)

[@RolandHazoto]

lol I literally just installed 23H2 right after watching this video (it was my pending update) Interestingly, I do not have Co-creator before or after the update. It's the feature I'm most looking forward to...😕

[@pstzz]

Confused. I installed the 2023-09 update preview shown at the start of this video but all I got was the copilot preview. According to some other videos/sites I saw, most of the stuff shown here comes with the actual 23H2 update, which I am currently not able to install. Anyone else have the same experience?

[@hansond]

@@pstzz same issue for me

[@KryzysX]

yeah.. kinda weird 💀

[@samuelthecamel]

Adding AI capabilities to Paint is like adding a jet engine to a lawn mower

[@gigitrix]

Reeks of desperation IMO

[@GrigRP]

​@@gigitrixDesperation for what?

[@bulletpunch9317]

​​@@GrigRP to get people to use paint? Idk

[@FoxBlocksHere]

@@GrigRP Desperation to be a part of the trend, I guess. Microsoft's been pushing AI hard in all their software, and Paint is just another instance of that, albeit a stupid one.

[@gammaboost]

I wish you could easily just strip all of this functionality out of windows since I don't need or want any of this bloat...

[@antoniohagopian213]

The volume mixer and spatial audio have been very old implementations in windows 7. They got rid of it after and you had to dig into the settings to have the same per-app control.

[@samuelthecamel]

Wow, that's lame. I can think of quite a few times when the volume mixer would have come in handy.

[@Jehty_]

Hasn't that also been a feature in window 10 at some point? At least I think I remember that. Or maybe I'm confusing it with Windows 7.

[@devKazuto]

@@Jehty_ Windows 7 introduced it, Windows 10 hid it away and using tools like Winaero brought back the Win 7 behaviour but in Windows 11 they completely removed until now.

[@markm0000]

sndvol is still there. Just pin it to taskbar or put a shortcut in the apps folder.

[@milosstojanovic4623]

@@devKazuto there was no need for any "tools" to expand volume control for aps in win 10. already had that from long time ago. Using it non stop because on headphones sound is too freaking loud, so i individually tend to lower sound for different apps.

[@cyrilio]

Thanks for providing proper subtitles. As a non native English speaker this is very much appreciated.

[@kylek29]

That backup app is similar to Google's Android backup - with that, it generates a manifest of apps to reinstall, settings dump, and specific folders. Apps that are designed to use the Backup API can have some data/settings backed up, otherwise, they're just redownloaded fresh. Seems like that is what they're aiming for, it's better than nothing (especially if just moving machines), but not a true backup and they definitely need to improve the messaging on that for end users.

[@JayfkProductions876]

Microsoft has yet to give us Good Native Backup, I still Only trust Macrium Reflect

[@LugiDergX]

@@JayfkProductions876 The thing is, most people do not need to have registry and all that kind of stuff also backed up. Windows Backup tool, even though I really dislike it, offers backing up what's most important to most people.

[@antoine9765]

@@JayfkProductions876 "Windows 7 backup" in the old school parameter menu has been there for ages, and does just what it is supposed to do. Compatible with Windows recovery menus. I rate this as "good".

[@Tri-Technology]

​@@antoine9765yes it's there but only the image backup is really what you want and it takes for ever.

[@FoxBlocksHere]

There's a lot of things to be excited about here! I'm especially looking forward to the End Task button, the RETURN of full-size taskbar buttons, and the OCR feature in Snipping Tool! The new emojis may take some getting used to for me, but they don't look bad!

[@ginemginem]

Not a fan of the new emojis. The contrast is lower, so they're less legible, so they do worse in their primary function, Sure they look nice, but they're objectively worse.

[@FoxBlocksHere]

@@ginemginem I haven't updated yet, but that sounds bad. Dang. I wonder if it's possible to replace Windows emojis, and if someone could make a tool to do that.

[@Yazan_Majdalawi]

OCR is the best until now

[@KyleDavis328]

The new emojis have been in teams for a while now. Not my favorite, prefer the old ones.

[@kartikgoswami]

Last day i got that AI chat added in my task bat it was very annoying and useless

[@zeemon9623]

OCR is super helpful if you're learning something like Japanese. On many of their websites instead of using text, they actually have images with text in them so you can't even copy-paste them into a dictionary. With thousands of different letters available it's not a given that you get to memorize all of them quickly.

[@sr2291]

Does OCR translate Portuguese Parish records?

[@agrillhasnoname]

No.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

I'm amazed that it's taken so long for Optical Character Recognition to become mainstream. I was developing OCR for major corporations 40 years ago.

[@MrWorshipMe]

It used to be hard to implement with a high degree of accuracy... I remember testing tesseract in 2015 - it wasn't nearly reliable enough. Only the expensive solutions would work half decently. Now, a deep neural net anyone can train does a much better job. Same goes for text to speech.

[@GalacticGuru42]

True. Unfortunately nobody bothered to think of it, until a few people requested the feature on the Feedback Hub. Go figure, Microsoft is quite happy to keep selling the same product without any real effort for decades, it wasn't until Bill moved on they started to open up to their users.

[@Tri-Technology]

​@@MrWorshipMe Tesseract 5 is still the best for code. I don't know why but other OCR software is struggling a lot with special characters and indentation.

[@MrWorshipMe]

@@Tri-Technology iirc tesseract now uses a dnn too.

[@BritishBeachcomber]

I appreciate the comments. Back then we could only do it with expensive dedicated hardware. Only the big boys could afford it.

[@Jaybearno]

I just upgraded to windows 11 and was SHOCKED that they finally added a functioning search feature to the file explorer. Surprised that you didn't include it. You can use compound search options like `name:`, `size:`, `path:`, etc. Now if they could only add file tag support for all files, they might have a halfway decent OS!

[@LugiDergX]

Damn, that is amazing. I had no idea even outside of KZbin news videos that this was a thing!

[@patj462]

Even with Windows 7 (which I really liked) the "search" feature was an absolute joke!

[@jakedill1304]

I mean Windows 10 had that.. or at least I have it.. I have an older bill because I spent a lot of time and effort to lock windows from updating a few years ago ever since it started breaking everything that I fixed.. but yeah.. there was a fairly decent advance search, not the one that XP had but better than the one that Windows 7 had.. it's in file explorer at the top.. and I think there's a button that says advanced.. it's you know slow and requires indexing and all that garbage but I mean it actually works unlike the one at the taskbar that you should disable immediately when you install the operating system obviously.

[@aicontrolled]

thiojoe cooking up something again. in all seriousness, keep up the great work. love to watch this videos.

[@davest123va]

Always enjoy ThioJoe's explanations of new and worthwhile features to look for.

[@asdfhun]

Finally we're getting back the proper taskbar behavior. It's ridiculous that it took YEARS, but yay, finally. That forced always combine taskbar icons was the reason for me and a lot of my clients for not upgrading to Windows 11. Unfortunately i still miss pressing the windows button then typing This PC, dunno why they removed it and why it is not working anymore, and i also would like to get back the ability to map a network drive from the file explorer ribbon. Oh, and the old right click on a file behaviour, is there a regedit hack to always get the old right click menu by default instead of the stupidified one?

[@donaldstinnett5630]

Indeed there is such a Registry edit; I have used it on all my Win11 installs. Just google it, you'll find it. It's a quick one-liner to execute and the same site(s) will have the code to put it back if you want to, although who would want to. Edited to save you time: "Legacy" right-click reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /ve Go back to the default right-click reg.exe delete "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}" /f

[@Armin2208]

map network drive should be in file Explorer menu, under the three points.

[@asdfhun]

@@Armin2208it's not there, that's my issue

[@6ixConfessions]

I still miss the personalized aesthetic options available with Vista (obvious issues aside). Like, how you could make each window any colour you desired & as transparent as you wanted. I love aesthetic choices. The more there are, the happier I am.😞

[@Planetdune]

Vista was so far ahead of its time... too bad many pc's of the day couldn't run it decently enough.

[@6ixConfessions]

@@Planetdune I think I was one of the lucky ones. I didn't really have an issue with it. I just find the aesthetics of windows today to be flat, insipid & uninspiring even with the limited customization.

[@agrillhasnoname]

Chicks.

[@sanekibeko]

Amen! I want the glass back!

[@Gymartin97]

Got to love MS. I installed the update and 95% of the features you mentioned are missing for me

[@markc6714]

Great to see notepad getting some love. It's the most versatile tool in Windows, as crazy as it sounds

[@THE-X-Force]

NotePad++ for me.

[@markc6714]

@FlyingMonkies325 if you want to copy paste multiple things, uses Windows +v instead of ctrl v.... You get the history

[@simon.bartos]

Wow, these are some very cool features I will use a lot! And we finally got back these non-grouped taskbar icons in the 11!

[@MentionedBefore]

The archive support is definitely my most favorite one (and potentially the RGB controls as well). As for the non-grouped taskbar icons, that feature has actually been in the beta branch of the insider program for a good while (like a month or more or less). If it's not a problem I can only recommend joining the insider program as well.

[@LugiDergX]

Better to provide a feature later than never (as in, feature that used to exist on previous Windows versions and was removed for some reason) :)

[@vpansf]

You can infact get non-grouped taskbar. Go to taskbar settings, go down and set the "Combine taskbar buttons" to Never.

[@simon.bartos]

@@vpansf that's what I'm talking about, it's one of the new features in this update

[@vpansf]

@@simon.bartos I meant in Windows 10, not in Windows 11.

[@bluntizard4481]

10:35 FINALLY! Taskbar tabs that don't automatically collapse. Only waited since Win11 launched for that feature we had natively in Win10

[@RonakDhakan]

Might as well add the ability to move the taskbar to the sides like we had with Windows 10.

[@jim8432]

I think you can un check "hide task bar" in the task bar settings, at least mine can

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

only monsters do that@@RonakDhakan

[@RonakDhakan]

@@SweatyFeetGirl haha, when you realize that the 16:9 ratio screens are wider than needed but not tall enough, moving the taskbar to the side is a good way to bring the ratio closer to ideal.

[@LugiDergX]

Am I the only person here that can not imagine having absolutely cluttered taskbar with all those labels and stuff? I can see why people do like it that way for readability but personally I just can not imagine using it that way. The grouped icons make for really organized and clean looking taskbar in my experience.

[@Jmcgee1125]

2:40 Honestly, I actually liked the no-session feature of notepad. Made it nice for just "hm, let me edit this real quick" without preserving anything. If I wanted that, Notepad++

[@anatali121]

looks like its an option, always a good dev decision to let you choose like that

[@Jmcgee1125]

Ah fair enough then. Options are always good and I do legitimately see the use for this.

[@anatali121]

@@Jmcgee1125 it looks like a lot of the features they added this update were optional, pretty happy with that, we can enable what we need and ignore the rest

[@Dragoonoar]

10:42 now if they gave us a 'use small taskbar buttons' option that'd be perfect. chefs kiss

[@John-Smith-999]

OCR snipping could be useful and I'm looking forward to the old functionality for the taskbar. The archive support is long overdue, but feel incomplete. Other than that I don't see much worth having. I suspect I'll be turning off a lot of unwanted features

[@John-Smith-999]

@@Faizan29353the copilot without an off button would be dreadful

[@creativeuser371]

I am not a big fan of windows 11 (or windows 10 for that matter) but i love how Microsoft labels a feature that they took out and then put back in (never hide taskbar labels) as an updated feature. Now all Microsft need to do is make an updated feature which gives you the original context menus back, or even a proper start menu. Those would be great updated features. Great video and i thank you for the info 😊

[@patj462]

Absolutely - Also single changelogs of some "small" open-source tools have more AND newer features than this BIG update of a multi-billion dollar company!

[@donaldstinnett5630]

OpenShell works great to give us a "proper start menu."

[@GalacticGuru42]

You might like Windows 7 Lite or Tiny10, which have none of the new features / bloatware of Win11

[@creativeuser371]

@@GalacticGuru42 I will investigate. Thanks for the awesome heads-up 👍🏻😊😊

[@Codyslx]

Because it is by technicality and updated feature genius. Taskbar for windows 11 was completely remade so that feature never existed for it. You can't find any build of windows 11 that had this feature before it got "removed".

[@ricktaylor4real]

First time seeing one of your videos, found this one really good! The way you talk about added features, quickly without dragging it out just to make a video longer is greatly appreciated! 👍🏼 Looks like I’m going to have to check out a lot more of your content!!

[@bvd_vlvd]

Remember when they killed the Snipping tool? And now it gets an update? Interesting

[@josephpiskac2781]

One of your presentations you advised that our computers do not completely shut down unless we do a restart. My ten years old Zotac Desktop has issues I thought I corrected and resurfaced recently. I did a restart and all is well, thanks for your advice.

[@neoqueto]

Mostly good stuff. I like how they added layers to Paint, but I don't like how bloated it is with the generative AI stuff, although it looks like it's just a frontend for a web API.

[@KyleDavis328]

It's certainly just a web api, no way that's trying to tap into ML accelerators locally on host

[@neoqueto]

@@KyleDavis328 yeah but I'm just wondering how much unnecessary crap does it add to Paint, if it's modular, if it has freaking Electron built into it now etc.

[@LugiDergX]

I don't mind the AI things. What does bother me is removal of Clipboard tools from ribbon however. While I won't feel it as I'm used to copying and pasting keyboard shortcuts I can understand the people that this will annoy the hell out of.

[@neoqueto]

​@FlyingMonkies325 don't worry, I use AI all the time, ChatGPT every day at work and at home, various forms of generative models for image generation and processing too. I'm no stranger to AI, I'm an early adopter actually. But mspaint.exe should be quick to launch and lightweight. Don't piggyback on it, don't tack features on top of it that take away from the pure experience. But if they don't interfere with any of that and if they are completely optional, then that's completely fine by me.

[@CatsT.M]

The volume mixer has existed for a while, it has just been hidden away in menus.

[@cobwebblocks]

Hidden yes, hidden in menus, no Right click volume -> volume mixer

[@CatsT.M]

@@cobwebblocks Yeah, you are correct. I was on my phone at the time so I was not able to confirm so I just assumed I remembered.

[@FoxBlocksHere]

Tighter integration is a good thing, though.

[@talibong9518]

7's was better, they need to do it like that

[@LugiDergX]

@@FoxBlocksHere As long as it's still available as it's own .exe (SndVol) I'm all in

[@furdiburd]

Me who use linux: Uhm well... At least some content to watch

[@SendFoodz]

me who uses tiny 10 and yanked out all that bloat long ago and have been ZOOMING on mid level hardware... "wow they gave them normal volume manager back after years and called it a feature"...

[@rockpie.iso.tar.bz2]

Same

[@nomadvagabond1263]

Same😂

[@Valcuda]

Linux users fighting the urge to tell everyone they use Linux

[@nomadvagabond1263]

@@Valcuda jealous windows man? Or lazy mac guy?

[@zandatsu07]

I like the last update where you can add a new tab in the Folder and terminal, pretty neat feature for multi tasking.

[@thebestastronot]

Btw fun fact, the volume mixer used to be hidden away in xbox game bar before it was added to the sound settings in this preview (it is still there as well after the update)

[@RuxUnderscore]

Nah, it was in the sound settings too. Settings > System > Sound > Scroll down to Volume Mixer. Windows 11 even allows you to assign programs to individual audio sources unlike earlier versions of Windows and even earlier versions of Windows 11. Now to install this update. lol

[@thebestastronot]

oh ya forgot abt that, i just remember game bar cause it was semi user friendly and quick. The settings thing was buried deep in the settings so u couldnt modiify it as quick@@RuxUnderscore

[@NTSuperbyte]

Even if it is not the 23H2 update, I still think 'Moment 4' is gonna be a pretty big moment.

[@LugiDergX]

They are finally starting to sell me on switching with Copilot, Paint, Snipping Tool, Focus Sessions, tabbed interfaces for more and more built-in apps and all other improvements. So many really great features as opposed to W10 that's slowly going out of date.

[@NTSuperbyte]

@@Faizan29353 so it is the big moment, am I right?

[@realeatham]

​@@LugiDergXI hate copilot, it's just pointless data collection, but the other new win11 stuff are pretty good.

[@LugiDergX]

@@realeatham You hate it now, you will love it another day 🤷(just kidding, some people obviously don't change..)

[@AlDunbar]

Cool stuff. I'm now just a bit closer to deciding to upgrade to windows 11

[@mcolny]

Unfortunately, here in Europe (Italy), Moment 4 Update does not include Copilot, new Paint, new Explorer yet. That's a real pity.

[@LugiDergX]

I'm gonna be waiting for Windows 11 to release 23H2 version first before doing the switch from Windows 10 anyway. It's better to use a system that is already fully updated with major features and bug fixes rather than deal with potential issues so far. And while you are on latest version of the system you get less Microsoft changes later down the road so you have it easier to change things your way.

[@PGtheVRguy]

Kinda confusing update, end task is neat and some of the paint stuff is weird. Kinda dont want more of the weird AI stuff built into my computer and nice seeing the new volume mixer (that was removed as it was in W10)

[@Nerdy_Aomeba]

Now that’s what I call an update! This to me is a sneak peak to windows 12 when it launches. First time ever that I’m actually super excited for a windows upgrade!

[@devKazuto]

Volume Mixer should be shown first in the sound output window. People need to adjust the volume of applications more often than switching audio devices. Microsoft should just have kept the old volume mixer and make it more modern instead of replacing it completely. I really hope you can remove the "Gallery" view from the explorer. It's getting to cluttered with shit instead of making these things standalone applications. Still waiting to move the taskbar back to the top without changing the registry.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

Currently sticking in win10

[@DragoNate]

10:12 "you won't have to use the often bloated software just to control RGB" and in my case, you have it backwards - I have to use the bloated RGB controlling software in order to manage device settings & button layout profiles...

[@TheLoneH]

First time really catching a premiere!

[@notenoughmonkeys]

I'm waiting for them to get to the Moment 37 update personally, that's going to be epic.

[@classicsagat]

Do yoiu mean evo moment 37?

[@GalacticGuru42]

That's still at least a few months way 😆

[@BobIoNix]

Anyone notice the Outlook for Windows Mail App has ads in the inbox, for those unsubscribed to Office 365?

[@oldproisepic]

I installed it yesterday at 12 AM my timezone, so far liking it, no performance loss to what I can see.

[@_SJ]

The added features on Notepad and Snipping Tool are cool 👍🏻.......I don't trust that Windows Backup App....... Uninstall Cortana....... FINALLY ❤

[@LugiDergX]

Why would you use Windows Backup if it lacks a basic feature of backing up your data to other drive, external drive or USB drive anyway? It's yet another push for OneDrive advertisement and getting people to use paid plans. They absolutely have the right to do it but y'know, just no. If you are providing a Backup app, do not force your users to only be able to backup to the Cloud.

[@talibong9518]

Glad to see the per app volume feature back, don't know how they got away with getting rid of it in the first place, preferred 7's one click approach though.

[@TriflingToad]

it's always been there in 11, just needed to right click on the thing and select the option (i use linux now my memory of what the options are called is fading lol)

[@mosef312]

It was called Volume Mixer

[@scotthayes5386]

This update actually looks insane I’m so excited for it

[@gwine9087]

@@dreaper5813 Along with the other 1%.

[@hardVatsuki]

can't wait until they bring all useful features from other windows, innovation!

[@Moochi4]

​@@dreaper5813😂

[@lsp6032]

not planning to install moment 4, as the added features that I am not planning to use, since I am a gamer that pushed the system to the absolute limits on a daily basis including the ram, the features may cause severe problems with what I am using

[@HeretixAevum]

@@dreaper5813 I prefer to play games rather than tinker with them.

[@turonlumpia]

that notepad session is godsend!!

[@9xGPU]

Sometimes I don't like what Microsoft does with Windows because of all the bloat and telemetry, but it seems like this update is good. I approve of 99% of it. Great Changes: Archive Support Snipping Tool Paint Notepad Uninstall Cortana Support Copilot (I don't use it but I think many people will, I do use ChatGPT) Taskbar End Task Cloud Windows 365 Login from Lock Screen Volume Mixer Taskbar Improvements RGB Light Control Passkeys Photos App Background Blur (I Use the Old Windows Photo Viewer but this feature is good for people using the new Photos App) File Explorer Details Pane (This is a must they should of had this in Windows 10 a long time ago) Settings Improvements (In Windows 10 I used the old Control Panel because the Settings was bad but now in Windows 11 they are making a lot better, I am starting to use the settings)

[@folddyy]

the file explorer details pane already existed in windows 10..

[@9xGPU]

@@folddyy did not know that

[@LugiDergX]

Yeah, they are finally starting to convince me on that system. It's just getting better and better, even moreso when you also remember tab support for some native apps (you forgot to list it but I do agree with all other things on the list too). It's just an useful feature that should have had been part of Windows a long time ago and I kinda like it.

[@jirehla-ab1671]

​@@LugiDergXhow do i move taskbar in win11 & get win10 start menu on win11

[@LugiDergX]

@@jirehla-ab1671 Not possible natively without 3rd party software. You might want to look up programs for those things.

[@dakrawnik4208]

Release to the public is staggered so they can monitor installs in case the update needs to be halted if something goes wrong i assume.

[@gammaboost]

While I do think many of the new features are cool and interesting, I dislike the integration with all the "AI" since it feels very pushy the way microsoft keeps doing that. I also dislike the new outlook since windows wants you to change, but I had the old mail set up just how I like it and I don't want to have to change things on my computer for no reason at all. Either way the new one has ads, so I'm not gonna use it.

[@LugiDergX]

AI - Disagree Outlook - Agree

[@BaykaScott]

So, Microsoft paint is getting somewhat better now? cool!

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Wow, Joey, it sounds like they've been taking you, and/or other producers who review this stuff like you do, quite seriously! This update might make me believe they've actually turned 11 from a crappy OS into another good one! I see that we can finally move the taskbar on it now. But do we have to use that window menu or can we just drag it around? And what about adding icons to it by dragging instead of having to go through a menu to do it: have they added that back now too?

[@seventheaven]

Still rocking windows 10 (ltsc). Stable and simple, just what OS meant to be.

[@ssigitas69]

I think for me maybe useful will be just snipping tool. Sometimes good to extract text from pictures or pdf files. if it will do 😉

[@Jehty_]

That's a feature I use all the time on my smartphone. Definitely a nice thing to add to PC.

[@SirusStarTV]

Not to invalidate usefulness of windows inbuilt ocr tool but you can drag any image into chrome and in context menu click "search image with google"

[@Jehty_]

@FlyingMonkies325 could you give some (specific) examples of your uses for AI? I find that topic fascinating and would like to use it more, but I never find a reason to do it.

[@SidecarBob]

The only "new" feature I'm looking for is restoring the ability to move the taskbar. It is profoundly annoying that "upgrading" to 11 means that I am constantly moving the cursor up & down the screen between the window controls at the top and the taskbar at the bottom.

[@IuriSantos]

I'll be happy when they return the side Taskbar. I have more horizontal space than vertical space and since windows 7 I have been using my taskbar on the side, rather than on the bottom.

[@AlexisGitarre]

7:50 The surround app only activates when you have a surround signal. if the signal is stereo, like a normal youtube video, it's not processing at all! same for the dolby atmos app and the DTS app. But you have to set up a surround speaker config before you use it, in the sound settings. the surround setting also stays activated on the certain device. so if you have Bluetooth headphones. it will only be activated on those but not on your main speakers for example. windows managed to handle those surround settings pretty well already since Win10

[@livipup]

I'm not a fan of the chat bot or the AI tools in Paint, but I like the Snipping Tool adding a text reader and the return of the volume mixer :)

[@viridisrex]

hey for me in file explorer it also has a new "smoother" look edit: strangely, it's only for the 'home' and 'gallery' tabs, as well as the tob bar, etc. but not for any other file tabs

[@11Stormtrooper]

Windows 11 actually starting to look like a valid option now

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Oh wow, how cool that we such convenient closeness to OCR now!

[@TheMitoSan]

Great video Thio! Well... Here goes MY PERSONAL opinion about these updates: "AI, here, AI there, Added AI to boot animation... Disgusting!" I know some of those features are nice - but what bothers me is how Microsoft are implementing them. They keep making their OS worse and worse instead of making something that have quality - that actually allows real people being creative / making them get their job done. A proof of that? Sure! You see those small system settings / tweaks that was listed? They should be already there on the first release of this OS! But no... Why not give focus into making money by implementing ads system-wide? (Take note that I'm not mentioning about all risks about this whole AI thing - if you take this in consideration, everything gets worse!) If they really wants me to migrate to a new OS version, they will need to create something that respect me as a user: Give me a product!. Want to add ads? Go for it - just give me an option to disable it. Want to collect data? Same thing - add an option to disable all data collection! Well... If this Windows version (and next ones) be 100% focused on AI / Online connectivity... You can forget me. But I know all what I listed above will never be done by this company so... I will keep using Win 10 (+AME) / Linux Mint. Do you disagree with something? I will love speaking with everyone. Respect, of couse and let's talk about. Cheers, TheMitoSan 💜

[@LugiDergX]

Only agree regarding fully AI and online part but no. The AI features are amazing and they add on to productivity, ease of use for home and business users. Example: Think about removing backgrounds with ease in Paint, especially ones that are harder to properly get rid of. This really helps save time. Think about OCR (Text extraction) and very quick censor of all personal data within Snipping Tool. Those things might not seem like much but they highly improve comfort use of the system and it's tools and actually do pile up to save up some decent amount of time over the months or years. and The whole trend on hating AI is dumb. I think we should start fighting the people that use the AI in wrong ways, train it unethically with data they have no rights to, instead of fighting the technology itself. It's going to help everyone in the long run, even if some people will go down from it. I'm all in for future unless they do make have it in every single part of system such as Settings, etc. (Notice how I don't say in every APP instead - That is because I do not mind more AI integrations and do not see it as nearly as bad of a thing as people make it out to be).

[@TheMitoSan]

@@LugiDergX Hello, doing fine? Thanks for your reply! 💜 Y'know, I like all those features that were presented and I don't think it's wrong adding new ones - since they actually helps doing a lot of stuff! Yes, OCR is something that helps a lot when you need to copy text from anywhere and it saves a lot of time - Same for new features on Paint! Seeing it being able to do more stuff makes me feel happy - since it is a way-too-simple tool (at least for me). It manages to get job done? Yes! But it is a very limited tool. Complementing what I wrote on my original comment: I think they had oportunity to make the system better by eliminating all rough edges from base OS and then, adding new features. In the end, if those features make the whole OS better - I don't see why not implementing them. The problem is HOW they are making it. Don't take me bad, I always feel exited when there's new tech around - it's the proof that we are getting better every day in what we do! (Yes, I'm a freelancer dev). But I just can't see AI (at least for now) as a good thing. The reason is simple: As the same way it brings a lot of new good stuff / tools to make our work / life better, it also doubles down in bringing new risks and how people / companies will use it unfairly. I agree on teaching / lecturing people that makes bad use of this tech but... I'm not sure about how it would come to. It's like giving a gun to everyone and gently saying that they shound't shoot anyone because it's something bad. Also: You got me curious with the "train it unethically with data they have no rights to" line. It sounds like you were enphatisating they should get data regardless of where it came to make it better. Is this true? Hope I did got this one wrong. And about inserting AI on every pore of the system? Yep - as we can (sadly) see, they are going for it. It started by adding a shortcut for a tab that you can interact with it. But this same tab can interact with some system parts - it already can change basic settings and more. It can get a good use - of course! Try thinking about not needing to know where an specific setting is located. I just need to ask it and it will change (whatever it is) to me. I know this can be a good thing - even for those who needs ease of use! But for the average user, I can't see we becoming more lazier with it. Using this same way of thinking, We will not need a settings app in the future! Why I would do need to change something manually if the magical AI Tab can do it for me? AI (as I know) requires a gigantic quantity of data to be enhanced. And It's very hard to not think they are using this whole data collection to not only serve more and more annoying ads and also feed their Copilots with it. In short - It is like a big double-edged sword: It gives you a lot of power and can be used to bring new things - but it also can kill you. I'm not even sure if KZbin will allow this whole bible being published, but I hope it does XD

[@LugiDergX]

@@TheMitoSan I can see a lot of your points, yeah. The AI tech at the moment and people using it for wrong reasons like stealing and stuff is definitely what's bringing out most controversy thus far. I do believe though that we can sort it out and not by lecturing the bad guys, the bad guys will remain the bad guys and not listen but by enforcing proper laws in place to protect artists, writers, musicians, programmers, etc. and generally talk about it all as society. Humanity has always managed to sort of get things done that way and I think we might see AI become actually viewed positively in future. For the training data part, I was referring to the fact how AI art generators supposedly "steal" artist's works, when, in fact, they are just learning to recognize and recreate objects in a similar, yet vastly different way than us, humans do and that what is the actual issue here is those very same tools being trained on people's works without compensation, credit, permission, anything really. It's quite a wild topic out there all around those days, I'm not gonna lie. Either way, I believe we need to make laws for both sides to be as happy as possible, even if there will be some drawbacks as with everything. So yeah, I think that's what I want to say on that.

[@TheMitoSan]

@@LugiDergX Totally agree with you. If these issues get sorted out, I think there will be a brighter future for this tech. As much as I can't see things going in the best way, I hope for the best ;)

[@LugiDergX]

@@TheMitoSan I'm glad we agree on some things. Thanks for opportunity to talk!

[@ahmadnurokhim4168]

That notepad session retention is the reason why I stick to notepad++ most of the time, now it's coming to window's notepad :D

[@MarcelVerheijden]

I'd like to see a feature that let me remove all features i do not want, but that is probably too big an ask for Microsoft.

[@hosstam]

A fully modular Win would be the coolest OS on earth.

[@Adam_Lyskawa]

Weird, it seems like I have some of those features but not all. I love the non-grouping takskbar. I didn't even know it's there ;)

[@diegoreckholder945]

i know this is a small change, but I've been waiting FOREVER for those 3D emojis in Windows since they announced them back in... 2019? 2020? I don't remember 🤣🤣 i just love them!

[@RadioactiveBlueberry]

Since they made appearance in Teams, probably just about pre-covid.

[@NewNiklas0803]

You can also let the Bing chat scan your screenshots and it also asks you if you want to paste it in the chat if you take one

[@normandeaunewswire]

I look forward to using OCR in Snipper I had been taking my snips to Keep to grab the text. I miss movie Maker from Windows XP

[@PushyPawn]

It's *so satisfying* to finally be able to uninstall cortana.

[@SylvainMenard]

Great overview, thank you ThioJoe!

[@RonakDhakan]

So now notepad can remember sessions. But still file explorer cannot. When are they going to add such a basic feature that internet browsers have had for more than a decade now. This is what happens when there is no serious competition to Microsoft Windows.

[@cobwebblocks]

I am using windows 10 with NO beta and I got access to the backup app, it also integrates with file explorer and shows the icon in for example the documents folder.

[@AndrewMFAult]

If this is a sign to come for Windows 12, then Windows 12 looks promising.

[@osql8]

that crooked redact bar ! 4:29

[@WildFyr]

I'm actually glad it does not automatically make everything open with the File Explorer because then I would have to set it all back to WinRAR again haha. But I do like that they are adding native support, very nice.

[@nneeerrrd]

Still using that nazi app in 2023?

[@arch_..]

I would ditch 7zip for it entirely if it had native password support for all of these formats, but damn seeing File Explorer finally open tar balls is insane, apart from the copilot thing that I don't really like much everything else feels like a nice addition to windows.

[@BaseNAND]

@@arch_.. For me it's not worth using until you can open files from inside archives. Plus it doesn't provide advanced options for creating archives. Let alone adding new files to an existing archive.

[@Jehty_]

I assume we can thank the EU for that. At least I think that automatically setting the File Explorer as standard should be illegal.

[@LugiDergX]

@@Jehty_ It really should not be. It would just be a part of Windows native experience which is entirely different to how Edge is enforced onto users by annoying people the crap out of them with notifications to install it, how is it not oh so much better than all other browsers, etc. Why would really say it should be illegal? It's as dumb as saying that Windows should not be running it's own .exe files natively or that .txt files should not be associated to Notepad by default.

[@JITSoftware]

As someone that works with Linux quite a bit, support for TAR files is a massive life saver. Win!

[@TickleMeTimbers]

you can just get an app that opens tar files... you didn't know how to do .tar files in windows before?

[@MorganSullivan]

Notepad catching up to fearures of Notepad++ from a decade ago...

[@RonakDhakan]

File explorer still has not caught up to the feature of reopening tabs from last session which has been present in internet browsers for more than a decade.

[@vasil-yt]

Weirdly I have SOME of these features in the same update but pretty much all app related features don't exist. No windows copilot, no new paint features, no background blur, no snipping tool text features, no new volume control etc. I do however have the new settings app and somewhat new file explorer. Kind of a shame since those were the featues i was most excited about. I already checked the microsoft store for updates but nothing.

[@andljoy]

I would rather they work on making the OS more consistent and restoring functionality that they have been pulling out since at least 2K. It would also be nice if we got an option for a " dont waste space " setting for the UI. Almost all modern UIs windows mac gnome ios android etc waste 50% of your screen space on huge icons with massive spaces between them, its made even worse by the fact that we had a global meeting of computer users about 10 years ago ( that i was not invited to) that decided that 16:9 monitors are better than 16:10 for some insane reason .

[@DrYawningMoon]

1:51. Hey Joe. Can you make a video about how you use GPT4 in your daily life? Also I have heard a lot about how inaccurate it is with a lot of hallucinations and fabrication. Hope you address that too.

[@ralphwiggum3134]

I think it's crazy that devs release software while they are still working on it. It didn't used to be that way. They would make the software, do a lot of testing and then release the final version. You would get some bug fixes and patches, but not huge new features 2 years later.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Microsoft can’t be bothered fixing bugs any more.

[@GalacticGuru42]

It's an optional download, you have to manually install it, and the updates for each app. It's been through beta testing already, apparently. This is final stage testing before it's added to the release version.

[@jfudge7384]

I still find copilot so confusing from a privacy standpoint and the language from Microsoft is signaling they don't care about that in the slightest. Pretty scary time to have sensitive information on a windows machine, who knows what company and trade secrets copilot will be leaking the moment it is unleashed

[@ThatNormalBunny]

None the last thing Microsoft wants is a billion dollar lawsuit because their AI leaked some top secret information from a users PC. Worst case scenario is that it probably sends whatever you put into it for training or diagnostic purposes

[@RedOneM]

Fortunate for me I've blocked updates 😌

[@kandacebickel7355]

I have tried to block updates but they won't let me.

[@RedOneM]

In pro version of windows easiest method is through group policy: computer config->administrative templates->windows components->windows update->manage end user experience-> set state of Configure Automatic Updates to disabled @@kandacebickel7355 or through regedit: Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate\AU in that there should (if isn't create) be one DWORD (32-bit) named NoAutoUpdate value. Set value data to 1 in hexadecimal.

[@kemi242]

Some syntax highlighting would be cool in Notepad, as I frequently use it to peek into source files.

[@AusTxMale]

Which is why i use Notepad++ instead. And it too has the persistent tabs when you close the application.

[@GalacticGuru42]

Notepad++ has that functionality, and much more like column selection too which I use frequently, just a pity N++ has a horrid interface.

[@bobriemersma]

It is disappointing that so many really basic customizations (e.g. Taskbar size) still require manually diddling the registry. Yet we get a ton of wacky features most users won't ever discover and others they will stumble into as defaults and experience more frustration.

[@benjaminvlz]

Apparently, you can't even adjust the taskbar size in Registry Editor anymore. It's a shame because I liked having a smaller taskbar.

[@plasma8321]

I’m loving these app refreshes

[@WraithAllen]

Don't care about Copilot. What I want from AI, is the ability to have it maintain links between documents when they are moved around, improve identification of formula errors in Excel, filter out other AI generated materials in web sites and videos (like, identifying AI generated voices in videos then tagging them as AI generated or blocking them outright, etc.) Nothing about using AI to do things for me that I can do myself is interesting or needed. I want AI to make my life easier, not remove me from doing things or learning things. Sound settings is interesting, but I still want an Equalizer and the ability to adjust the speaker output between speakers (like, more sound to the left than to the right, that sort of thing.)

[@hosstam]

You can change the volume of the left and right chanel. Or I missunderstood your last sentence.

[@hlavco]

I'm glad they're bringing back readable taskbar items. Will they also let you reduce the taskbar to one line like older Windows, or is it still stuck in tall mode?

[@Planetdune]

With ever growing resolutions, why would you want to use half mode (cause tall mode as you call it, has just become "normal mode". I know, I have been using windows since 3.1, I totally know where you are coming from... but back in the 90's we had 13 to 21 inch screens .. we were using resolutions like 640x480 or 1024x768. It made sense to have normal and double height back then... Today, even on "normal mode" on my 32" screen that is already fairly small... and that is on "only" 2k resolution. Nothing wrong with my eyes but you would need magnifying glasses to see stuff if it was halved.... or maybe you are still running a 17" crt? :)

[@hlavco]

@@Planetdune My monitor is 27-inch, 1920x1080 resolution. It's the same monitor I used for my previous OS, so it makes sense that I'd want a task bar in the same size as the previous OS. Currently I'm using the RetroBar mod, which lets me swap the Windows 11 taskbar for one from Windows XP or 7, but it would be nice to have options without needing outside help.

[@dynamicphotography_]

Such a stupid overreliance on pumping AI into everything. Just like Adobe. It's so pointless and doesn't really add any value.

[@Anas-1220]

This is a really good explained video, I'm glad it popped up on my recommendations.

[@Jeff.55649]

More bloatware!

[@SwampKryakwa]

Windows was a bloatware literally from it's inception, what do you want?

[@mos8541]

Yeah been messin with it and IT MESSIN WITH ME for about a week now

[@Knightimex]

That ai text reader is some next level futuristic stuff! This is HUGE for trying to copy text from youtube videos

[@JJean64]

Please don't do premiers in the future, I really don't like this format.

[@miamzs2001]

OH THE NOTEPAD ONE, I REALLY NEED IT

[@dovedozen]

Moving tabs by dragging, changing the volume by program, & "never combine" are like BARE minimum. BARE minimum for a baseline functioning desktop operating system. Thank you for making this video to remind me I'm not completely batshit insane for thinking that.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

Finally ms paint gets transparency after... many decades.

[@LugiDergX]

What bothers me about the implementation of transparency in Paint is the fact that there's no setting to disable it. Yes, I know you would ask why you would do that and the reason is that sometimes you might want transparent backgrounds to be converted to solid color ones like me. I was never the biggest fan of transparency in pictures and the fact that Paint automatically converted transparency to solid color pixels was amazing.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

@@LugiDergX you can select the fill tool, select you desired background color, the hold shift and click on a transparent pixel. It will replace all transparent pixels to that color. The only problem with this is that it doesn't effect partially transparent pixels.

[@LugiDergX]

@@ego-lay_atman-bay That's an imperfect solution, even in tools that offer scale of effectiveness for filling tool or just how sensitive it is. What made Paint special is that it could essentially replace all transparent pixels by itself because it didn't have support for them so no need for tinkering was needed.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

@@LugiDergX There are better image editing tools than ms paint, which probably support removing transparency, and much more. I don't see a reason why ms paint needs to have the ability to remove transparency.

[@LugiDergX]

@@ego-lay_atman-bay Because it used to have it? It shouldn't be too hard to make it an option in settings to turn the app the way it was.

[@alanjrobertson]

Decent number of tweaks, fantastic summary video of the changes - thanks, Joe!

[@Riz_]

Thank you Theo for the Narrator tip. It is nice to finally have a couple of choices for Brittish English. Had I not watched your video I wouldn't have known that. Narrator doesn't tell you that more voices are available when you launch it.

[@PatrickOwens-xb2jn]

I noticed the mixer feature is not far off becoming a multi track music studio! Windows really is the bomb!❤

[@retzerR]

I am working on a windows 12 concept (really just windows 11 re imagined) and in it I added a backup app, didn't realise windows actually released one!

[@asadfarraj]

I wish this copilot integrates with Cortana, with the voice feedback and the ability to dive deep into the settings.

[@tofu_golem]

I don't generally install update previews, but it's good to know what's coming in 23H2.