windows 24H2 Arm. How to install on Raspberry Pi 5 & Orange Pi 5 plus

[@JeffGeerling]

It'd be cool to see how the Pi 5 and Orange Pi 5 Plus score on Cinebench 2024 (it has a Windows on Arm native version), as well as Geekbench 6 for Windows on Arm.

[@leepspvideo]

The lack of gpu support isn’t going to give favourable results. Worth a look though 👍🏼

[@JeffGeerling]

@@leepspvideo True! But Cinebench especially would help compare the Pi 5 to other kits like the Windows Dev Kit and the new Snapdragon X when it comes out.

[@CarbonVulcan]

Just try cyberpunk 2077 thats a pure benchmark test

[@j.v.b.4040]

@@JeffGeerling Geekbench 6 arm64 on windows 11 results from the uefi devs themselves: Rpi 5 Single core: 787 Multi core: 1747 Orange pi 5 plus(rk3588) Single core: 780 Multi core: 2914

[@danielpicassomunoz2752]

What would be cool is appropriate Linux support for orange pi, kernel 4...

[@blurandomnumber]

MS dropped support for armv8.0 at one stage, so pi4 indeed might not be supported. But pi5 is armv8.2

[@NitrosTwitch]

Just figured out a much easier way to get the latest version on Pi5, used rufus to make a windowstogo install on the storage device, mounted the efi and copied the rpi5 uefi files and booted.

[@ozac97]

Thanks man I was able to boot windows 11 thanks your comment ❤

[@peterbrandreth03]

How do you go about mounting the EFI?

[@Kw1161]

Thanks Lee for another informative video, great to see how far Raspberry Pi has come in running more powerful OS’s. Have a great day!

[@mohawahba]

12:00 hi, which Linux you're using that Was like a windows distro? Thanks.

[@leepspvideo]

@@mohawahba My Linux setup Raspberry Pi 5 part 3. KDE Plasma kzbin.info/www/bejne/mnnMXpyHfptrsLs

[@ThatRandomDude914]

Now, INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE is not what I saw coming. I believe that this is one of three things: Raspberry Pi’s ARM chip not in an officially supported device; Raspberry Pi being weird; or Microsoft being Microsoft and keeping the fancy stuff in a walled garden

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

It's a shame that Microsoft can't keep everyone's personal data inside that same walled garden too!

[@pavan13]

Is it fine to use a non-overclocked Pi 5 with an official Pi 4 power supply?

[@tallpchackerperson]

Yes, but it won't be able to use a lot of power on it though

[@leepspvideo]

Raspberry Pi 5 USB Boot with non official power supply kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYnCoIqdmJqUrpI

[@ThatRandomDude914]

You either need to choose the full cpu performance (even non-+clock) or more power to USB. Just get the psu to save the hassle

[@뻘짓연구원]

Is the orange pi5 adapted for 2ghz cpu performance? Not plus

[@Honeoneseven]

Does VirtualBox run on x86-64 on the 24H2 prism emulation?

[@glennnewell9494]

I don't see a link to the USB Hub with ethernet and I am stuck at the windows install waiting for a network connection. I bought one that I thought looked the one in the video but it doesn't work. I can't read the logo on the one in the video. Does the one in the video need an additional driver and if so how do you add it? I'd take a USB to Wifi adapter OR ethernet but need something that is known to work. This in on a Pi 5 with Windows 11, version 24H2 (26100.1301) arm64

[@leepspvideo]

@@glennnewell9494 this is the link Aluxum amzn.to/46uzeGK currently unavailable didn’t need any drivers Most usb Ethernet should work not WiFi. Something like this amzn.to/3Yvv27Q Have you seen this? Add WiFi to your PC with an Android phone kzbin.infoyHl2N2KFfII?feature=share

[@glennnewell9494]

@@leepspvideo Thanks! I searched for "driverless" and got one from UNI on amazon that works. I'm also gonna try a "driverless" WiFi dongle and will report back here IF it works. FYI my phone is ios so android is not an option.

[@glennnewell9494]

FYI, "driverless" WiFi dongle didn't work. Hey now that I have windows running (Pi 5) how would I (or should I) update the eeprom to the lates?

[@leepspvideo]

@@glennnewell9494 It’s never been a problem for me

[@glennnewell9494]

@@leepspvideo OK, I figured it out. boot from an SD card with raspberry pi OS and do ao all the upgrades there. I did have to mount the UFEI boot SD on a windows box and remove a file to get everything working again.

[@glennnewell9494]

I'm running on a Pi 5 with an "active cooler". Is there anyway to get fan control working under windows 11, short of replacing the fan with one that can be wired to 3.3 volts to slow it down (less noisy)?

[@leepspvideo]

@@glennnewell9494 I run mine at 3.3v.

[@mitheithel]

With wor flasher running on raspbian OS I'm stuck at Formatting /dev/sda/ - There is no turning back now. Tried multiple usb devices, always stuck at same point. Someone has any clue?

[@leepspvideo]

Try erasing your usb with Raspberry Pi imager

[@mitheithel]

@@leepspvideo it worked! Thank you

[@kubagame9484]

I'm thinking about buying a raspberry pi 5 or orange pi 5 pro because I came up with a very specific project which involves making a portable computer powered by a power bank and having the Voicemod application run on it but I don't know if it will work I can always buy a voice changer but that's it the quality won't be the same and I will have to do a lot of things around it

[@LemonEvan]

is there anyway to do this without a Linux desktop?

[@leepspvideo]

@@LemonEvan not that I have tried

[@XanatosDavid]

what linux distro did you run that looked so windows like?

[@XanatosDavid]

I mean the one at timestamp 10:54 seams seams some debian but skinned really well

[@diniconights]

Mine get stuck on the "couldn't find the installation disk" error no matter what i do, and after every reboot pcie is reset to gen 2 and boot order as well. But even if i manually boot into my ssd it still brings this error. Have you any idea what could be the error?

[@leepspvideo]

Orange Pi or Raspberry Pi? Which version of Windows?

[@diniconights]

@@leepspvideo Raspberry pi and the newest version there was Yesterday on the 24h2 preview

[@leepspvideo]

@@diniconights did you watch the whole of my video? I show how it can be installed

[@diniconights]

@@leepspvideo i used your video to install it actually.

[@leepspvideo]

@@diniconights Did you do the Windows installation on a rockchip device like the Orange Pi I used in my video?

[@soundescapes145]

is there a way to run this or wor project on a 3.5 or 4.3 inch display running on a pi 4b. i cant get it to work.. hdmi out to a big screen works though

[@leepspvideo]

You can’t change the resolution lower than 1080. Surely Android is better for such a small screen;. What was the use case?

[@xoxide1017]

any updates as of september 2024

[@leepspvideo]

@@xoxide1017 latest videos in this playlist WOR Windows on Raspberry Pi kzbin.info/aero/PLMJAjiTgBtFlUiDlZjOy1ZqMFDytwgwoG

[@eneaboba4872]

Great video also Pinn OS is available from the raspberry pi imager app now. Also can you make some other steam game tests. Much love

[@MrMilanoLau]

Can programs for PC Windows run on it? Thanks.

[@leepspvideo]

Yes, we have no gpu support but loads of programs run fine

[@JoranEldhose]

Will rufus or etcher work

[@leepspvideo]

Another commenter mentions using Rufus. I am not so sure it’s a serious comment. The Raspberry Pi is an Arm device without a bios, that’s the reason we install it in this way

[@JoranEldhose]

@@leepspvideo ok Tysm

[@JoranEldhose]

Lee why won’t u email the rpi foundation about wor

[@leepspvideo]

@@JoranEldhose ?

[@JoranEldhose]

@@leepspvideo can u email raspberry pi foundation about wor

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

Anyone managed it with pi4?

[@leepspvideo]

I did try with the Pi 4 uefi, for me it crashes

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@leepspvideo ...and there's your sign.

[@superangrybrit]

Wish we had official UEFI support. 😫

[@timcollins9800]

It seems a waste of time getting Windows 11 on aPI. 5, unless it is working perfectly.Not that i would want Windows 11on there in the first.As i have a Windows 11 PC and a IMAC

[@leepspvideo]

If you don’t have another device and you want to run a program that only supports Windows it can be useful

[@leepspvideo]

If you don’t have another device and you want to run a program that only supports Windows it can be useful

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@leepspvideo If you don't have a computing device to run Windows then it's cheaper and more efficient to buy a used PC on an auction site to run Windows 10 on because you can pick up a 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 SFF PC for less money than a Pi. I think it's an extremely silly decision to make to start with nothing but then buy a Pi to run Windows - completely pointless. Plus that's the time to start learning Linux because when support for Windows 10 ends and that PC can't run Windows 11, then that's the time to stick Linux on it - which will run fine on it for years to come.

[@leepspvideo]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 I have never recommended buying a Pi to use Windows. If you already have a Pi and are using it, but then you need Windows for a particular task that isn’t available on any other system. You can install windows on an sd card or usb stick. It’s just another option.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@leepspvideo My interpretation of your words is if you have nothing but suddenly decide that you need a Windows instance, then a Pi is a viable platform on which to do that - which is the bit I take issue with. Simply being able to "run" Windows (or any OS) on a platform isn't the same as replacing a full desktop machine with it because, in my opinion, when people say "desktop" then they means "a computer that runs hi-def video on KZbin, plays a few modern games and allows them to do video editing" - and a Pi will, of course, struggle with that, even on Linux.

[@GerCompanyMan]

Nice!

[@OneCatFamily]

Very interesting video but PLEASE, I'm begging you, install an ad-blocker on your browser!!! 😂

[@tafkawac]

It's cool to see Windows on Pi and great fun to tinker with. But it's not useable desktop replacement while the KZbin video performance is like a 15 year old pc.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Whoever said that a Raspberry Pi has to be a "desktop replacement"? SBCs were originally designed as cheap educational coding devices for schoolkids and students, as cheaper industrial boards that can run variations of Linux, and for the hobbyist community to dabble with electronics, I/O and IoT. Then a lot of people realised that they are good for retro-gaming, especially because the size of an SBC means it can go inside other boxes or in handhelds. But then SBC makers suddenly started churning out more powerful devices but couldn't keep to the original $35 price bracket - so now you end up paying $80+ for an SBC for which you still need to buy cooling, a PSU and a case before you even get started. Yet you can pick up a more powerful 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 SFF PC used on auction sites for about $50 that will be cased, cooled and have a PSU. So how does the economics of the $80 SBC work any more?

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

PS. I am able to watch KZbin perfectly fine on a Lenovo Thinkpad T61 from 2007 (= 17 year old PC) perfectly happily - not everything has to be in 1080p or 4K video to be perfectly watchable, as long as you have a normal attention span.

[@tafkawac]

​@@terrydaktyllus1320 "Whoever said that a Raspberry Pi has to be a "desktop replacement"? " - I didn't say it has to be. I said it's not. As I mentioned, it's a tinkerer's project. The problem is that these videos sell it like it is has desktop performance. "how does the economics of the $80 SBC work any more?" - it doesn't, hence why RPi are cashing out and focusing on the industrial sector.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@tafkawac I never said that you did say it has to be, please stop putting words into my mouth and then arguing against them. You mentioning the fact that "Pi as a desktop replacement" exists in the minds of some people (which I also know to be true having seen many previous comments in channels about it) makes it a discussion topic that you raised that I that I then responded to - so stop being so defensive also. I think we're in agreement here. As far as I am concerned, a $35 Pi made it a good device to mess around with on an electronics workbench or for a schoolkid to learn programming on - in either case, if the Pi got broken, it wouldn't be a big issue. $80+ for an SBC doesn't scale or make any economic sense. But since the Pi 4, the Pi Foundation has lost direction and they're really not behaving like a non-profit organisation should be, in my view. They are pandering to the "silly" demands of computer newbies who don't understand how you "engineer" a computing solution properly but just know how to build one single device that they believe should do everything and for that "everything", there should be a step-by-step video on how to do it because they lack the attention spans to read books or just try things out for themselves to learn. It's their loss and our gain because that's why I can go to an auction site now and pick up a more powerful (than a Pi 5) used SFF PC for less money when I build my computing solutions - they're cheap because few people know how to make use of them properly.

[@gamingtech451]

Sir, pls do update if you can update to 24h2 without orange pi 5 as i want to try but don't have.I always admire ur work❤.

[@NitrosTwitch]

there is a way using rufus

[@gamingtech451]

@@NitrosTwitch pls explain the process

[@NitrosTwitch]

@@gamingtech451 put image into rufus, point it to the disk used with pie, select windows to go as the image option, then copy the uefi to the to the EFI partition(you man need to assign a letter with diskpart in cmd) and then run on your raspi

[@ninline2000]

It's super cool that the Pi can do this. From a geek perspective, I love it. From a practical perspective It's crazy. I can buy a cheap N100 mini pc for the same price as a tricked out Pi5 if I want to run Microsoft malware without all the drama. Very nice job though.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Or forget the N100 PC and Windows completely and pick up a used SFF PC on "your favourite auction site" for about $50 and that will have a 3rd or 4th generation Core i5 or i7 CPU in it, 4 or 8GB RAM (that is cheaply expandable) and just run Linux perfectly fine on that. Modern mini PCs are complete waste of money and just add to landfill when there are more powerful used PCs out there that cost much less.

[@ninline2000]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 That's an option.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@ninline2000 Yes, thank you, Mr. Obvious.

[@jumpnjack808]

run O&O and shut off a bunch of bloat off and see how much better it is

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

...or just accept that putting Windows on any computing device is a pretty stupid decision to make in 2024 if you have any respect for your own data privacy. Install Linux and it will be the best Pi it can be, better than any "dissected" version of Windows.

[@JazzTechie]

Very cool. I mean...not "install Raspbian" easy. This is "jailbreak a playstation to run linux" territory - haha. Windows on arm still needs a bit of polish.

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

No, Windows on ARM is the same as the concept as a flying bumble bee - by the laws of physics it shouldn't exist in the first place but somehow it does. With that said, I like bumble bees.

[@JazzTechie]

I'm not particularly opinionated about OS. I'll build a hackintosh in a heartbeat. I'd even run windows on a pi as a daily driver. I'd stick gnome on a macbook. If it's trying to support arm officially however, installer needs to be plug and play.

[@jeffreybassett9918]

First - Native PI5 - with M2 NVME Hat and Samsung drive - I tried and tried - to install on my NVME drive - and was NEVER successful. I then moved to directly install on a 64G USB stick and was eventually successful - no Internet - (usb Ethernet on order) - this DOES work - however, I was NOT able to use the NVME - I tried multiple attempts with WOR-FLASHER - to the NVME drive - no joy - so far, my ONLY success has been to install on a USB drive - WITHOUT the NVME in the picture -

[@asepdaniel6287]

Please install on Android phone😭

[@lee99bay]

❤

[@j.v.b.4040]

You are using a lot of outdated stuff on your orange pi 5 plus. For example ethernet drivers already exist for a while now. The instructions are a mess rn so it's best to join the windows on r discord to figure out how to install windows 11 properly. You're using outdated uefi, drivers, etc

[@leepspvideo]

The Discord points you to the latest uefi which I have linked in the description and am using. It also links to the guide on the wor site from April 2023. What uefi for Rockchip is newer than 0.9.1? Can you link it, or let me know where it’s showing in the Discord. Can you be more specific with which drivers etc you think are old?

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Discord is for time wasters that just want to sit there throwing memes at each other and trying to impress each other. Nothing of any use is achieved on Discord. I've lost count of the number of so-called "technical" Discord channels that are just filled with a bunch of kids that can't even write English properly, and I've then just dropped off them.

[@j.v.b.4040]

@@leepspvideo I saw on the discord that they already told you where to find the newer uefi releases, the newer drivers for everything and how to get nvme working. I look forward to a possible video sometime with everything up to date

[@SpeccyMan]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 You write of kids not being able to write English properly then end a sentence with a preposition in an earlier comment! You also put a comma BEFORE a conjunction in this comment!

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@SpeccyMan Again, you seem obsessed with some minor grammatical error on my part (which is entirely subjective on your part anyway). Is this something you do to others also, or just me, so intent are you in picking up some error that you believe I made. PS. You missed out the comma between "properly" and "then", Mr. Kettle. And I "wrote", not "write", given the error you believe that I made was in the past when you commented on it. PPS. Comma's are entirely allowed before conjunctions - e.g. "My favourite meals are chicken curry, fish and chips, and a bacon sandwich."

[@ownmicelio]

Opi5 gang here

[@SB-qm5wg]

Can't run Win11 on a 6 year old Intel x86 CPU though 😆 Go figure.

[@leepspvideo]

There are workarounds Install Windows 11 on unsupported devices with Rufus. Coda 1.2 £69.99 Laptop kzbin.infoxjsPm0JFoRQ?feature=share Tiny11. Windows for old unsupported laptops. Improving the Cheapest Celeron Laptop Part 6. kzbin.info/www/bejne/poPVfJapmql4mLc

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Why would you want to?

[@SpeccyMan]

@@terrydaktyllus1320 You really do seem to have a problem with the correct placement of prepositions in sentences!

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@SpeccyMan I think that's called "scraping the bottom of the barrel", isn't it? So desperate are you to find something to pick me up on - though personally there is no grammatical issue with "Why would you want to?" Must try harder. Run along now,

[@mbunds]

Pi + Windows = Holy water + Urine.

[@hstrinzel]

Raspberry Pi 5 NOT SUPPORTED? Hm, that must be MICROSOFT in its typical form.

[@amtiazafzal4347]

As usual.......What a load of DUFF!! & you DONT need a rockchip device to complete an install of Windows 11 24H2 on a Pi 5! Just finished installing 24H2 on a Sansung 128GB micro sd card, which also includes the UEFI boot drivers!! An all in ONE solution! Next step to clone an NVME SSD drive & test it firing off that!! IGNORE this cowboy......L.O.L.....Whose classic one liner tells you all you need to know!! "Proceed at your own risk" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leepspvideo]

@@amtiazafzal4347 Lost for words. You do negativity if it makes you feel better. I have been helping people install Windows on Raspberry Pi for the last 4 years 66 videos in this playlist kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpS4oH6gptCgb9Usi=ujgyfu_sFFxyGCss I’m since aware of the ventoy method to install with a Raspberry Pi5 and the method of using one device to boot. I chose to use an sd card for uefi boot. SD card is slow for running Windows on a Raspberry Pi, you’ll likely say it’s very fast and runs Crysis at 100fps. Well done. I’m sure your impressing someone

[@amtiazafzal4347]

Oh dear! 😂 Im so glad your now aware of the Ventoy method....I suppose better late than never.....now dont forget......stop with all the guff & riding your little bike on your 8 bit game, that for some strange reason you seem to enjoy....😂 do your research first, because its pointless having 66 videos " supposedly helping people" when they are a load of guff!!

[@GrahamBrownVirtualTours]

@@leepspvideo I'm currently installing Windows now though without having to use a rockchip device first. I simply built the iso and used wor-flasher to add it to a usb stick and booted off that. No other device needed. Maybe they have worked their magic since you tried this the first time but so far it's been working OK using just a Windows PC to prepare the image (it would have taken forever using a Pi but that was also possible) and then use wor-flasher to flash the USB stick

[@leepspvideo]

@ I think it uses an older version of Windows not 24H2

[@amtiazafzal4347]

@GrahamBrownVirtualTours Graham, just shoots & scores........ now watch out for his his usual NEGATIVE response & his jolly rhetoric about helping folk with 66 videos since before Jesus had existed!!! What an absolute clown 🤡........ L.O.L.....🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

Oh dear, one of "those" videos... I shall sit here waving to it pleasantly as it zips past me and wait for the next one that hopefully is about an OS for the adults, not kindergarten.

[@lucyfrye6723]

Oh dear. Everyone sees right through you. Do you even know what I mean by that?

[@jeevejavari8461]

People like you are insufferable. Ooh! You're so mature and cool for not liking windows!

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@lucyfrye6723 No, I've no idea what you're talking about. And, to be honest, I care even less. From where I am standing, you're just "one more stranger on the Internet" whose opinions are completely irrelevant to me. And can I just make the point that "me and my pretend gang" arguments are extremely childish? "Everyone" is not a word you (or anyone else) can use because you can only access the contents of your own mind. So YOU may think you can "see right through me" (whatever that means) but please keep this outside the school playground and don't believe that you can speak for other people. Good, I am glad we cleared that one up. You're welcome. And you DID ask....

[@terrydaktyllus1320]

@@jeevejavari8461 Then kindly feel free to not "suffer" me and just don't read or reply to my comments. Or shall I next time just bring along some nice cheese to go with your whine?

[@NunTheLass]

The social skills on this one :) Only on the internet. Is he even aware that he punched first? Real Life will deal with him. Move along, you can't argue with fluff.