Windows Laptops will never be the Same

Performance of Windows laptops has always come down to an Intel vs AMD battle but now Qualcomm is entering the Windows PC battle with their new Snapdragon X Elite and X Plus processors. And if their claims about battery life and overall performance are even half right, this could change the laptop market forever.
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0:00 - Qualcomm Enters the Chat
0:36 - Reality Check about App Compatibility & Emulation
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2:57 - Performance vs Apple, Intel & AMD
5:15 - The Battery Life Question
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7:37 - An NPU that actually WORKS?
9:11 - The Big Gaming Question
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[@josephoduor2358]

Just as I was with Apple before they released actual machines to reviewers, I won't believe it until I see an actual machine with this chip being reviewed.

[@abb0tt]

I have no doubt the chip spec and device integration will come to fruition thanks to Apple Silicon hitting the market. The critical hurdle will be an integrators platform stack being able to compete the performance of Apple's stack (Silicon + macOS).

[@SilverJoystix]

I agree

[@SilverJoystix]

@@abb0ttThe critical hurdle is also seeing it come to market

[@ashwinnarasimhan2729]

@@abb0tt Microsoft has been shipping ARM based Surface hardware for years now so I think at least anything first party like Office, Visual Studio, etc can run pretty well at this point and I'd imagine Qualcomm can easily get buy in at least from major apps like Chrome or Adobe Creative Cloud. The jury's going to be out on third party apps that Qualcomm or Microsoft haven't worked as closely with.

[@abb0tt]

@@SilverJoystix that's literally what I addressed. These manufacturers no longer have a choice to coast, otherwise they'll drive their business into the ground as their market share plummets.

[@georgioszampoukis1966]

The chips are very good, but the bottleneck is and will continue to be the OS. If Microsoft takes Windows on Arm seriously, the entire desktop and laptop scene is going to change.

[@RobertDunn310]

How is the OS the bottleneck? Windows 11 (even on my x64 AMD laptop from 2020) is pretty stable and battery life is great (even better than when my laptop came with Windows 10. The real issue is lingering app and driver compatibility.

[@vectorlua8081]

@@RobertDunn310 Because Windows on ARM and Windows on x86-64 is a lot different.

[@RobertDunn310]

@@vectorlua8081 How?

[@FrodeBergetonNilsen]

I guess I am the only one hoping for dirt cheap laptops with no fans? Actually, I would really prefer a push for Linux, in a more coordinated and commercial sense. That would enable a much wider adoption of laptops around the world. We don't need insane power for teaching tools, just amazing battery and good enough performance. For windows to fit that, Microsoft will need to windows free of charge. They could just enable some features as default, and allow for these to be changed. That should make everyone happy. But they keep on skipping support for old hardware, like 7th gen intel and 1st gen ryzen. Whe need a new vision.

[@vectorlua8081]

@@RobertDunn310 Part of it is, that even though you can run quite a few x86 apps on ARM, a lot of the x86-64 instruction set has to be emulated, making just about every one of these apps slower. Another part is that Microsoft never took Windows on ARM "seriously", what I assume OP means by this, is that critical updates to the platform are all it really receives, i.e. security patches

[@Paulie8K]

This is super interesting. I have an Alienware laptop I purchased a few years ago with an i7 and RTX 3080 and I'd love for my next laptop to have the combination of an X Elite for efficiency when I need to use it on the road and the higher end Nvidia GPU for gaming plugged in. I see that happening eventually.

[@paulhubers1428]

Depends entirely if they add in PCIe lanes for a dedicated GPU. Everything I have seen only talks about having PCI support for peripherals and the storage. Adding in PCIe support will add some big redesigning

[@Sam-gq8cl]

I wouldn’t use it for gaming from what I know so far

[@drstrr]

I was about to skip the sponsor ad, and then I didn't

[@HardwareCanucks]

Haha. We strive to be unique at least. ;)

[@CheapBastard1988]

Had my finger right above the "Skip sponsor" button but had to keep watching.😂

[@aninditabasak7694]

@@HardwareCanucksUnlike Linus and their pretty average sponsor.

[@aLphawarrior063007]

The ads don't feel like ads. They're informative and entertaining. Goodjob!

[@arocomisgamusclademork1603]

​@@HardwareCanucksyo, does mean Qualcomm rivals to NVIDIA workflow production?

[@billkillernic]

Geekbench= you have faster memory bandwidth? You win.

[@weaponcomparisoninvideogam5505]

More like you have Apple's chip , you win

[@tlh1588]

Applebench?

[@dirg3music]

Yeah Geekbench is laughably bad about this, lol

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Well, if you have faster storage you also win in loading speed test.. so don't under estimate the transfer speed.. no reason to calculate 20GB of data in a blink if you need 0,6 sec to send that to the destination.. this is the same like HDD and SSD, when you reach a comfortable spot with capacity, you don't care if it's smaller like the HDD on the same price, you still buy the SSD, just because it's faster, and you need to wait less.. this is the same here too, the travel time of the data also counts.. faster memory = faster response (and when the speed difference is 1-2 frames you will start to notice, like an input lag, but the already calculated data arrived there too late, it's just happend a few frames ago..)

[@billkillernic]

@@TamasKiss-yk4st I am not sure where you were going with this, my point was that you can get faster ram in x86 systems but usually when shills compare arm chips (eg Like the M# ones ) they do that by using slower memory on the x86 system , on top of that in every day (and in most)ba faster CPU has way more impact than faster ram

[@chm2]

If there was a snapdragon x plus powered Surface Go that ran as well as an iPad, that would be interesting.

[@liberteus]

There is no "gaming question", I want battery life out of a laptop, and a good keyboard/screen.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

The lack of imagination on your part is irrelevant to the broader discussion

[@lolol50735]

gaming is the fist thing i look up for a laptop, battery and keyboard are irelevant

[@Djuntas]

@@lolol50735 Desktop my man...Desktop. Not just performance but bigger screen, better ergonomics and all that. I hate using a laptop all caveman bent over.

[@josephle2381]

Millions consider video games when it comes to buying a laptop but you go and be different🙄

[@jonathanto99]

​@@lolol50735 just build a PC at that point, with gaming laptops you're paying more for less performance

[@BlackEn]

That ad is gold

[@greenmonkey.8403]

*Cold 😂

[@jesulobajohn8468]

Ikr, first time I didn't skip it

[@sundiegoguy9097]

I went back to watch it again lol@@jesulobajohn8468

[@Omega-EP]

They had it in previous videos too. It's phenomenal.

[@Z3rgatul]

Arctic freezer are indeed good coolers Having second PC with them

[@watercannonscollaboration2281]

Apple can get away with switching architectures because it’s so locked down on software. Windows is a far more difficult story for this, and I am as skeptical as excited to see if Microsoft and Qualcomm commits to this bit

[@battish123]

if they want to compete with m chips this was the only move, now what is left to see is if programs will based off of arm architecture so at least certain programs can take advantage without the emulation layer.

[@chadbizeau5997]

​@@battish123personally I think going arm is a waste with risc V on its way. But They have a point too. A lot of government organizations and corporations and companies have used and continue to use older software. Heck, I'm helping with getting the installation of a new pharmaceutical app for one of our hospitals and they only just started supporting SQL 19 and Windows server 19. They wanted us to install on 16. And this is a major piece of pharmaceutical hardware and software. Things in the Enterprise World don't necessarily move very fast, so that is why it will always be difficult to change architectures in a Microsoft environment or even a Linux environment in some ways.

[@badaoe3stratsonly130]

I think that the spread of AI will help with Emulation. I'm sure we'll still see some weird bugs. But i've got a feeling that the emulation will work well enough for most programs to be usable.

[@battish123]

@@chadbizeau5997 you're right, i don't see the corporate world moving towards arm, they like to use easy to use programs without too much processing and heck older version of windows as well and there are no updates on linux that if it even is supported. However, i do see an average university student like me switching windows on arm. Everyday users who just want to browse the web and use office apps along with light gaming with bulletproof battery life. That's where the market for these chips are. As more apps for content creators start supporting this architecture, there might just be a legitimate competitor to apple in the market.

[@battish123]

@@badaoe3stratsonly130 valid point for sure!

[@alexisaubry3801]

Always interesting and balanced. Great job guys, thanks.

[@mateowoetam]

I think Linux is way ahead in ARM than Windows, considering Raspberry Pi & Android devices.

[@Jimsimi]

Do you know if dual booting is a thing with ARM based systems? I've found it a great solution for my x86 laptops, Linux for general use, boot into Windows when I need efficient proprietary application support.

[@mateowoetam]

@@Jimsimi I don't see why not, this depends on the bootloader/ GRUB setup, and we already have Asahi Linux for Apple Silicon Macs so yeah it is a thing.

[@julliansibi]

Windows on ARM continues to be a concern for me, and most Windows apps still need x86. If Qualcomm implemented something similar to what Apple did and Microsoft cares about Windows on ARM more, then maybe there’s a chance

[@MadsonOnTheWeb]

Apple has a more closed approach and they can select the apps they want to fully support or left to the emulation layer to handle by itself. Isn't the same on windows. In fact it is the opposite from that.

[@ashwinnarasimhan2729]

Microsoft already has a pretty effective emulation layer for Windows on ARM, more complex stuff like SQL Server doesn't run well on Windows on ARM but I'd imagine Microsoft will now be quicker to address that

[@jakoick1298]

@@christopherlindloff8331Microsoft also has trillions, they can at least create a new division for ARM, it's baffling that they won't

[@Dave102693]

@@jakoick1298or have intel give some info for x86 instruction sets for their ARM chips

[@yensteel]

Their strategy for Rosetta AND universal binaries was genius.

[@Firing0]

i think arm is in a good state in linux. Raspberry has a good app repository

[@yensteel]

Totally. The full version of Ubuntu is available for the Pi, so the last effort is the drivers. It's something to pay attention to.

[@sklynexd]

Windows is still better.

[@morbidsoy]

Only people who have nothing going on with thier lives uses linux.

[@Omega-EP]

@@sklynexdI don't know...

[@cloudboogie]

@@sklynexd you do you

[@rogerhuston8287]

I believe Elite and X Plus are physically the same chip, it's just X Plus are the rejected Elite chips (binning)

[@tony_two]

Great video! This seems very interesting.

[@sighheinrich]

Thank you for the video.

[@gbitencourt]

Thanks for clarifying the non-x86 nature at the start. Saved me some time.

[@SkysTrains]

i just hope theyre semi affordable, and have support for ubuntu

[@RobertDunn310]

I'm excited about these laptops, but I will wait and see how they pan out in terms of reviews, updates and performance. The thing is that mobile CPUs from Intel and AMD are also getting really good and delivering decent battery life as well while being compatible with everything. I guess only those who really really need long-lasting battery and 5G on the go will be drawn to this product but if battery life is not that big of a concern for you, then it's a tougher sell.

[@LiVeWiRez]

👍🏽Nice preview on a reference unit. Is the storage removable/upgradeable 👀👀👀 ?

[@lifestyle46]

That's just the demo unit. Laptop Manufactures will decide to do that or not, Qualcomm is making only chips not laptops there are demo purposes

[@liamcollinson5695]

Seems like a good stepping stone towards a valve deckard type standalone pc VR headset i have heard rumors that the snapdragon x elite could work with dGPUs so maybe standalone pc VR is not as far away as I hoped

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

Supports lossless audio, what doesn't support lossless audio? I am confused.

[@IracianOnzangtino]

yeah

[@Workaholic42]

aptX lossless is indeed a Qualcomm exclusive. It is supposed to deliver full CD quality via Bluetooth. Other Bluetooth codecs compress heavily (and often audibly), e.g. AAC, SBC,…

[@HardwareCanucks]

AptX lossless isn't supported by any Windows or Apple device right now.

[@Jacob-hl6sn]

@@Workaholic42 oh its wireless stuff ok, never met a serious audio person who uses wireless stuff

[@TheTastefulThickness]

​@@Workaholic42 Darko had a video about this. You need perfect circumstances and anything other than that will drop you down immediately to lower resolutions. Its not the silver bullet it sounds like.

[@MadsonOnTheWeb]

The problem about ARM chips is in the generic stuff. I'll see if it is good enough when a bunch of generic apps are open at the same time. It is easy to do that in a more closed system like mac os or android. But windows is just a lot more open to generic stuff.

[@Majber]

I love hearing your English. It's very easy to understand.

[@Angel-HC]

I'm very excited for this change. My last Windows laptop was a 2021 LG Gram 16 with an i7 1165G7 and while decent for my workloads, always felt a bit underwhelming in some ways. I really think Intel are not going to be the future for mobile computing with how awful their chip power efficiency has been. Could also be Windows-related inefficiency, but having my fan ramp up when I'm just sitting on the desktop doing...nothing, got old or just having a couple tabs open in my browser and seeing my CPU temp jump to 80 degrees is kind of ridiculous. I'm on Mac now for my portable needs, but Windows remains my preferred desktop platform. Maybe Mac is just way ahead of the game in efficiency, but if Windows platforms using Arm start to work towards that, I have a good feeling for the future of computers.

[@JohnEllisIII]

Should be interesting if professional software will start to follow this trend to ARM. I work 90% of my time in autodesk Revit and it’s entirely windows dependent. If Microsoft can actually make this happen that would be incredible.

[@lolol50735]

doesnt mater how fast it is when it cant run half the staff you want.

[@IracianOnzangtino]

stuff not staff

[@maxweinbach3996]

@@IracianOnzangtinoor maybe it is “staff”

[@lehaepta]

​@@IracianOnzangtino But what if he runs a plantation and uses legacy x86 software from 19th century? Think of it before correcting.

[@IracianOnzangtino]

@@lehaepta geez

[@IracianOnzangtino]

@@maxweinbach3996 over reactive

[@renelackner3081]

Friendly reminder to be avare of the zoom in function when using generative fill! (4:22 on the right side) But great take on the topic!

[@ravipeiris4388]

I purchased my Windows based HP Omen 15 gaming laptop in May 2021. It'll be my last Windows based laptop (unless they can give me 10 hours battery life under heavy load) and will base my next purchase on the ARM based architecture notebook ❤.

[@matthewsykes2646]

I have to admit that I would love to see some X Elite laptop design with a dedicated Nvidia gpu, not for gaming but for rendering and 3D work, since every piece of software i use is optimized for Cuda. I'm interested to see how emulation will work in this specific applications and if Qualcomm can really be a relevant player in the Windows ecosystem, considering that Zen 5 from AMD is on the horizon and Lunar Lake from Intel will follow shortly after (theoretically). The real advantage Qualcomm could bring to everyday use over Intel and Amd is a more seamless integration between laptops and smartphones powered by Snapdragon SoCs, but we need to wait and see, Windows (and Linux) on ARM could really become something interesting in the next few years.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Just a quick correction. Lunar Lake laptops will be available to buy WAY before Zen 5 laptops.

[@matthewsykes2646]

@@HardwareCanucks are you sure? I think Amd mentioned second half of 2024 for Strix Point, it should be around the same time period of Lunar Lake, in any case i don't think Lunar Lake laptops will be out "WAY before" Zen 5. But if i'm wrong, well, i'm going to be happly wrong xD

[@jakoick1298]

@@matthewsykes2646 I thought Strix point is zen4+ and not zen5

[@matthewsykes2646]

@@jakoick1298 nope, it will have Zen 5 cpu but RDNA 3+ for GPU

[@BryantJoy]

which custom mech keyboard is that and the keycaps?

[@Skylancer727]

I struggle to believe Qualcom's claims because they've always been behind Apple in the mobile side, why would I believe they could beat them on the larger scale then? Plus it's hard to believe that the programs are as well optimized for ARM when they were primarily made for x86.

[@roundduckkira]

the thing is Qualcomm bought a company called Nuvia which consists of many of the same engineers of Apple Silicon, esp arches in the lead up to M1 on mobile or even M1? Either way, they know how to make a great ARM cpu so I hope it is good. But yeah while there is a chance, yeah the history of Qualcomm makes me think otherwise.

[@-Blue-_]

huh go and see the benchmark of 8 Gen 3 against A17 Pro in multi core and GPU performance and in both 8 Gen 3 is powerful than A17 Pro

[@arpadjszabo]

Cool watch man!

[@BenyaminLorit]

I've been excited for this for a long time but at the same time, I really don't know if I want it considering how much of an issue backward compatibility would pose. There are decades worth of x86 applications that'll simply never run on this platform and I'm not sure I'm ready for that.

[@HardwareCanucks]

Well if Qualcomm does what Intel did with ARC (terrible back-library support but gradually increasing) there's certainly some hope. That being said, there's still a lot of compatibility questions swirling right now.

[@asnifuashifj91274]

Two things I would expect from SDX 1) comparable performance with Apple-M chips and 2) good battery life that would last as long as Macbook Pro does. With Apple closed ecosystem I am really looking forward to dual boot aarch64 (Windows and Linux) as part of my daily driver for both work and play.

[@andyH_England]

I am not sure that Qualcomm will allow Linux. It doesn't look like it at launch. I suspect MS investing billions in ARM has bought them the right to tell Qualcomm not to allow Linux. So you may be disappointed.

[@lanceislateagain]

Why compare it to discreet graphics, tho? How does it compare against the newer APUs from Intel and AMD?

[@kingtuckgesus8879]

People commonly call an APU or integrated graphics discreet graphics even though it's not correct and I'm sure they'll be on par because if you look at the performance you get from Galaxy s24 ultra. For instance, you could run fortnite on that phone at like 30 frames per second and that's a Qualcomm chip

[@lanceislateagain]

​@kingtuckgesus8879, he did follow it up with "from Nvidia or AMD" so he was clearly talking about separate GPUs (cause Nvidia don't make APUs). That's still an odd comparison to make. As for Fortnite running on an S24, bear in mind that that's a mobile-specific version, with probably a lot of sacrifices and underlying changes to make it run. I'm interested in say, how well BG3 or heck, GTA V would run on this, compared to said APUs from Intel and AMD.

[@kingtuckgesus8879]

@@lanceislateagain if he did compared to dedicated gpus and that would be wild. Because the performance can't compete. I don't give a s*** how many tops it has but I would also like to see some like for like comparisons. I would like to see something ran on it. That's not emulated and for now all we can do is debate and wonder

[@andyH_England]

The X Elite has no chance against the best dGPUs. It would not be very comfortable for Qualcomm to compare.

[@yamirizuki]

@@lanceislateagain actually, there is demo of BG3 and Control on this laptop and they run surprisingly well

[@phillipcesar]

The most important thing on a portable is performance per watt. Apple is far ahead only because of this. Lets hope Qualcomm brings us good products.

[@ehtasam960]

Its 40% better perf/watt than apple silicon m3.

[@IceBlueLugia]

​@@ehtasam960At 40W, which is useless

[@PineyJustice]

@@IceBlueLugia And it is very close in performance to a 18w 7840u

[@ehtasam960]

@@IceBlueLugia 23 watt chip

[@IceBlueLugia]

@@PineyJustice Oh ok. That's good then

[@CatlessPrius]

It would be nice to see a desktop version of this that's still modular. Having a lightweight PC that you can bring with you anywhere would be sick.

[@benj4807]

So are you the new owner now of hardware canucks channel?

[@Dew4lk]

Fingers crossed that this will be a good launch, its time for arm to become more mainstream with windows laptops

[@shalomrutere2649]

Improvements to Windows for arm and app support will make Windows laptops even more wonderful but it'll also strengthen Macs as Windows on parallels will work even better

[@haroldz123]

Actual working unit n actual benchmark please. Rumours have it was way below expectations

[@jaiconruedas]

I hope the numbers live the hype. I need to see more of the video testing the actual and real-life performance of this chip. Yes, Im excited for this new player in pc world.

[@piyush.ochani]

When is this launching?

[@AD34534]

What I love about ARM is the inclusion of accelerators on their SOCs. For example that ISP which makes your webcam go from borderline unusable to smartphone quality. x86 chips have lacked these features since they only focus on core performance and nothing else. Hopefully Qualcomm doesn't lock their bootloader because I'd love to run Linux on it.

[@zsueitam8470]

I'm very excited for arm processors for windows. I'm waiting for these with buying a new laptop.

[@roysolid2]

I loved your video . But I wished if you asked them if it coming to Desktop and if we can change it every generation

[@1plus68hehe]

I wonder if windows on arm applications will be compatible with non-arm and vice versa. That's honestly probably going to be the biggest hurdle in the ARM transition for windows

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

I wonder how bad app and games compatibility would look like here, i just hope it is not a disaster just like older arm based Microsoft surface laptop

[@theoqueiroz]

I've been using/working with computers for 23 years now and every year there's a product launch that will revolutionize the PC market...

[@badaoe3stratsonly130]

fair enough, but there sometimes true game changers. Like apples jump from IBM to Intel. Or apples jump from Intel to ARM. Or the Steam decks mass spread leading to Linux gaming going mainstream. Paradigm shifts are rare, but they do still happen.

[@huge_balls]

​@@badaoe3stratsonly130 Steam Deck is the best thing that happened in gaming in recent years

[@lifestyle46]

Talk about MediaTek and AMD making Laptop and PC Chips ...I am really Interested in that, Now there 4 brands in Pc CPU market. Really looking forward how's the competition going to play out

[@mastroitek]

2x longer battery with Teams sounds great, opening Teams is basically equivalent to a battery torture test rn

[@asdfasdffdcd]

Will x86 programs runs smoothly with translation layer?

[@MG-zo6nq]

How much start with the price or estimate

[@seanvideoediting]

If they can beat aplle in Davinci Resolve and have full performance on battery, I will gladly prefer that!

[@fleurdewin7958]

If ARM for Windows need higher adoption rate , AVX instruction emulation is a must have. There are increasing number of Windows apps that need them, including games.

[@Nedski42YT]

Windows on ARM was promised to be revolutionary in......... 2012! The only thing that needs to be said are the performance numbers using UNMODIFIED MS Office, Adobe Creative Suite, DaVinci Resolve, web browsers AND the battery life running these. Game performance can be included. 🤫

[@shuccle6161]

the red color looks so cool

[@forthphoto]

Can you please make video on Linux support on one of those laptops? One of the main ones.

[@samdovakin2977]

I need this in android gaming handheld

[@sumansaha295]

Android is shit for gaming. I'd rather get Linux or windows handheld.

[@Raderade1-pt3om]

Do u think ARM will eventually replace x86 or both gonna have their place in future?

[@Moon-no3ts]

well depends on how they play it you mean in terms of ARM architectures, yes it can and in laptop industries, it might in embedded systems or single boards well ARM is everywhere where but in desktops and server space no because of how the ARM chips are implemented now they are not flexible or upgradable

[@jego207]

10:06 what happened with Intel Arc?

[@Raffzyy]

Im convinced that improvement in arm app compatibility will also benefit Mac users because of virtualization of windows in macOS.

[@returningwhisper]

Will probably need a lot of money thrown behind it in the software space to get it rolling, but I would love to see this take off.

Those Apple style performance graphs that say nothing at all are absolute BS. Promoting them is just reinforcing this nonsensical trend.

[@maxderdax6117]

They don’t say nothing tho do they. They clearly state the comparison and just because it’s percentages not numbers doesn’t make it useless

[@ismaelrivera1999]

When we will see the first laptop with this chip?

[@hughjazz44]

Windows on ARM for 7 years? More like 12 years. The OG Surface used an Nvidia Tegra SoC.

[@saricubra2867]

"NVIDIA Tegra SoC" Oh, basically a Nintendo Switch

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@saricubra2867 Older than that. It's not the Tegra X1. Nvidia was making a few mobile chips back in the early to mid 2010s and I remember that

[@vik1ng313]

@@crestofhonor2349 Isn't NVIDIA, Intel and AMD also working on ARM chips for the mainstream market?

[@rvermausa]

Does it support Linux distribution like Fedora?

[@AceAku]

Is it possible to confirm if these new devices support Egpu's?

[@fruitcake4910]

Please release these with nice OLED screens and HDMI input. Doesn’t even need to capture just display the signal and maybe even be able switch keyboard and mouse. Even better if it can all be done with a single USB-C cable. That way with a small ITX PC, we can get the best of both worlds.

[@saiphaneeshk.h.5482]

How much improvement can be seen in android studio?

[@esthergennn]

I'm excited to see how these perform under Linux since ARM has been a feasible architecture under Linux for a number of years thanks to development for SBC systems like the Raspberry Pi or Rockchip SOC based SBCs.

[@AdamSmith-gs2dv]

Won't be able to, they have forced secure boot (aka locked bootloader) so you can't load custom OSs. Welcome to the hell of rooting/custom ROMs

[@esthergennn]

​@@AdamSmith-gs2dv I'd like to see your source on this. Given that Snapdragon Elite SOC support has been implemented into the upcoming mainline Linux 6.8 kernel. Previous Windows on ARM Snapdragon chips (8cx and 7cx) series had unlocked bootloaders. Albeit Qualcomm's Linux support has been pretty lackluster.

[@paolopandas2103]

I would want this in a Desktop PC as well.

[@themomaw]

Not switching to ARM unless there is a 110% reliable automatic translation layer from x86. Yeah it's great that major companies can be compelled to do new ARM compile targets and optimize for ARM, but there's an entire world of software for x86 where it's either abandoned or too indy to support multiple architectures.

[@TalesOfWar]

If it's abandoned and you still use it for important stuff, you should probably find something else to replace it as it WILL stop working at some point, unless you stop updating the rest of your platform.

[@GyroCannon]

If this endeavor wants to have any chance of success, Microsoft would make a translation layer similar to Apple's Rosetta. Without it, we'll just see a repeat of what happened the last time they tried to put Windows on ARM - a colossal failure - because nothing except a select few apps could run effectively.

[@hassb6348]

A laptop with a DGpu that can be disabled for eco mode with this arm chip would be insane. Not sure how they would pull it off but this would be the dream

[@jinn-gaming2417]

wasn't that going to create same problem like mac? every software need to update to adapt with the change.

[@dnvyl]

Yes, it would, but if ARM keeps being more efficient and faster, it will drive the market to develop for ARM rather than x86. So, the problem would solve itself

[@TalesOfWar]

This is why Apple spent the last decade or longer moving everything and by extension, developers away from architecture specific code. It's mostly all abstracted away these days with modern languages and libraries like Swift, and they've been very good at translating one to the other for years given they've done it a few times already. Their last real big push to get to where we are now was to deprecate 32bit, which allowed a far cleaner, easier and more efficient transition. X64 translates MUCH better to ARM64. Apple did a lot of work to make the underlying architecture of no real concern to anybody not working with stuff close to the "metal".

[@racerex340]

@@dnvyl Except that is only really true for the consumer market. Corporations have invested enormous sums into their existing applications, all of which are x86 based and would mean that a shift away is many many years away. The problem won't "solve itself" given the absolutely ginormous ecosystem of Windows & Linux apps that exist in the enterprise, many of which have been developed going back 40 years at this point. I don't think it stops ARM or even slows it down, but it prevents Microsoft as well as tons of other hundred plus billion dollar software companies from being able to no longer support x86, these companies will develop where the dollars are, and until there is enough revenue opportunity in the form of enterprises that are ready for ARM native versions of these applications, they can't really justify making the change. That said, smaller software shops, startups, that's where Enterprise on ARM will initially grow until enough groundswell has been created where the larger companies are officially losing revenue/opportunity by not also having an ARM option, but again I'm betting we're 10+ years out from there in the Enterprise, when Oracle begins releasing the majority of their enterprise platform apps in ARM alongside x86, that's when you know it's finally happening.

[@102728]

Depends on adoption. Plus an x86 and an arm branch for software don't *need* to be synchronised. If anything, testing features on a smaller release on arm would be beneficial as a public beta instead of directly launching it to x86 right away. No clue if that actually will end up happening, but if so, arm would be on the cutting edge if anything. Companies already launch products to a limited customer base geographically, like for example intel arc laptops that were only actually available in korea and japan (iirc?) on their supposed launch date, or within the company I work at, launching new features only for australia first. Then there's software compatibility, where software that isn't directly ported from x86 to arm, could still use a translation layer to at least have access even if some performance is lost. Again, with adoption comes support so over time this would solve itself. Either way it boils down to how these chips will actually perform. If independent reviews find them to be as competitive as qualcomm claims, companies will find the money to throw at any hurdles.

[@willmedrano98]

Really looking forward to the new CPUs. As a Linux user, have been jealously waiting for laptop CPUs to catch up to M1.

[@user-yc8vz8gx9e]

As a Linux user, I think Microsoft's attendance is very vital, Win on ARM must reliable enough to let comsumer choose it, because devs won't care ARM platform if arm PC do not have sufficient adoption.

[@neorskate]

Will these platforms ever support expansion cards? And probably a desktop version with a board containing everything and expansion ports?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Not that we know of.

[@Werpet7]

Would love to own one. We need to push for ARM or even better Risc 5

[@aditya.pratama]

I'm curious how engineering software (CAD/CAM/CAE) performance on this SoC. Really interesting when we can draw 3D CAD, Simulate, Render in that thin devices or maybe on tablet. CMIIW

[@shadowarez1337]

If its from MS will these have the insane Surface Pro pricing models?

[@user-su4gg2vw5u]

Which AI Based Laptop is going to be released with Snapdragon X Elite Chipset? I heard Lenovo is releasing AI Laptop with Snapdragon X Elite Chipset which is also compatible with Windows 12 ?

[@HardwareCanucks]

Every laptop is an AI laptop. Even ones release years ago.

[@marufbepary100]

I am interested to see how these SoCs do in Linux. Knowing the Linux community, they will put together something that makes their apps work well on ARM.

[@MrDucatiV4]

Need the real life benchmarks and comparison before I think about getting one. I also need more information on battery life 💯

[@TazzSmk]

I would gladly pick a decent replacement for my ancient MacBook Pro 2014, Windows 11 for ARM flies on M2 Mac Studio in Parallels, so if Qualcomm delivers what they say, and make ram and storage user-upgradeable, I'm all in :)

[@Cleisthenes607]

What is the TDP of the processors, not the whole system TDP but that of the SOC itself and then because its arm based does that mean both Ram and SSDs are soldiered on so no upgradability?

[@flummi6966]

Hi, TDP was mentionend to be 10-80 Watts and Ram/SSD are up to the manufacturer to be made upgradeable. Thin passive might have only SSD and thicker ones both. Like in the Rasberry PI

[@SuperRomanHoliday]

Pricing might be a nightmare, as Microsoft Surface are involved and they do more gouging than a rhino doing a headstand

[@HardwareCanucks]

The Surface has always been overpriced but its not surprising to think of a Surface-type device as being the natural home for the new Snapdragons. I'm sure other partners will have less expensive alternatives though.

[@user-ct8zg4nb3g]

My father is eighty years old. He is an elderly man and has a medical crutch. Is it possible for my father to use a modern smart phone? Are there any problems or drawbacks? Can you answer?!

[@soldarknezz]

I really hope these chips are going to deliver. I just want a 2-1 with oled, 120Hz and apple silicon like battery life .....pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaase

[@alexandermarcusvaan]

Dying to know what kind of watch you're wearing lol

[@madmaxhan]

its a seiko aplinist gmt

[@yensteel]

Uh, around $1000 then.

[@B.Ch3rry]

All I care about is Windows getting mass support for ARM so we can get Native BootCamp on Apple M-Series!!!

[@SoulRollerFIN]

Hopefully they're going to be good. And can't wait how they'll run Linux.

[@brushrunner]

Awesome!

[@AyyyGabagool]

I;ve been waiting for home computing to move past x86 for half a decade. Finally we are one step closer

[@PTYC933]

All good. Other than 185h, 7940hs still great, 14900hx is a portable desktop. And the grand daddy of thin and light laptops m3 max still stomps ahead. X elite and x plus is a good step just need a Rosetta 2 equivalent for the teething period. Good times and waiting for hope of all big cores meditek joining the game.

[@dtzyYT]

OK now I'm getting interested in buying a new notebook PC.

[@adryx_92]

Is your watch a Seiko? If so, which reference?

[@moist_ointment]

Did I miss the ST GB6 test? I understand having a limited test suite, but only showing MT results and not ST results is very sus