Windrush: 'Fighting to prove I'm British' - BBC Newsnight

Thousands of people from the Commonwealth moved to the UK in the mid-20th century - the 'Windrush generation'.
The government has now apologised, after it emerged that some were being incorrectly identified as illegal immigrants.
In angry scenes in Parliament, some critics suggested the policy is in keeping with the government's self-proclaimed "hostile environment" on immigration.
Emily Maitlis speaks to Sonia Williams, who was told she didn't have indefinite leave to remain in the UK, Trevor Philips, former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission and Conservative MP Chris Philp.
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[@cqtaylor]

Isn't Barbados as much a Commonwealth as Canada or Australia? Hmm, I wonder what the "difference" may be.

[@robinpillay8462]

cqtaylor I believe immigration is a black and white issue because blacks and ethnic minorities are an easy target.

[@cecilrhodes1057]

Why do ethnic minorities get special status? this is the UK home of european britains you dont have a right to our nation.

[@cqtaylor]

+Cecil_Rhodes Citizenship and ethnicity aren't one and the same. In the U.S. and Canada there are no "ethnic Americans," and I'm sure if you go far enough back you'll find that the Brits are a hot soup of nomads from Europe stretching far back to Africa.

[@livelife5947]

Cecil Rhodes So why were these people told by the British government that they were British citizens & that Britain is their motherland? Get your story’s straight please & read a history book while you’re at it.

[@millsymills6967]

Barbados was under British rule for over 400 years! It is part of the Common Wealth! Google is our friend.

[@knightyknight5399]

People from the Commonwealth countries were invited to come to Britain to help build up this country and this is how they treat the Windrush Generation .... People from the Caribbean also helped the British in world war 1 and 2 fighting along side British soldiers and still no recognition ..... Racism is alive and well and living in UK....) :

[@loveroflife8107]

John Msx Why so vulgar? If they don’t want coloured people then why not try to make all countries habitable and people would have no need to seek refuge. I know you feel this is not your duty but it would equal a win win for humanity and a happy life for everyone.

[@up4itgal]

She's worked and paid taxes for years she's paid in and she should have at least some benefit. It's disgusting

[@tigerspuds]

George S You obviously didn't watch the vid.....

[@johnmodel500]

same is happening to workers now under universal credit they stand to lose thousands ' that they paid in''' the disabled have been hammered and hounded to death..... single mothers have been hammered......people from other countrys tht come to the uk are getting hammered......grennfell tower people still liveing in hotels......concentrix tax credit scandel...... evil ester mcvey saying that ''' women who have been raped will have to report it by filling an 8 page booklet ... and she also said ....in a way it is double support for women to HAVE to explain there awful painful ordel to a workcoach at the dwp ''' i lie not...... bombing Syria over the weekend with out the will or backing from parliament...... the dubs agreement terminated yesterday by terrible theresa may....jermery hunt FORGOT to give his tax info on buying a block of flats .......now windrush.......this shower of shit .... soft .....scum ...are NAZIS ......they ony hurt the poor workers of this country

[@tigerspuds]

LadyAmaltheaUnicorn Awwwww looking for attention?

[@euhobo5314]

EU citizens are next, i worked here for 13 years, by 2019 they will destroy all my NI and tax records so they can tell me fuck of in 2019, simples

[@euhobo5314]

already happening, brace yourself for United Muslim Kingdom 20 years after brexit, where Brits and Europeans work so 40% of them can sit and have 4 babies

[@Free12609]

I love this journalist who grilled the conservative MP '' you have looked at two case of deportation,does this mean there are not any other cases" that was a lovely riposte as the lady journalist...

[@evelectrical8964]

Wasn't it under May as home secretary that all there paperwork was destroyed?

[@AshanBhatoa]

Jordan Riches Yes

[@lordsway7190]

Even Japan gives status to people who went there as minors, yet they are strict on immigration

[@jamaicanworld4598]

Basically these people were used

[@maria610421]

These people was used, now they have given all the Pension money to the EU Migrants, housed them with your Tax, and National Insurance, and you can't get what they take for granted. The council is paying 1000 Per Month to house White Migrants, in Bankrupt Britain. They used them after WW2, and during Slavery they got the same thing nothing. And today the head of these Commonwealth Countries, Voted for Prince Charles to be head of the Commonwealth, and Nazi Fascist Organisation using and exploiting Black people. Why was the Commonwealth citizen denied a vote on this.

[@realrecogniserealsorayadiv6730]

wild one I've got proof we were here 1st an the ruling class in dark ages! U need to go bk to the caucus mountains

[@lbstester]

wild one damn you're racist

[@realrecogniserealsorayadiv6730]

wild one u are also an immigrants from the caucus mountains I can prove black royal in England in the dark ages learn history

[@realrecogniserealsorayadiv6730]

wild one lol my mom is white British born LOL u can't get rid of me u are not native to anywhere lol

[@Mohiuddin-me5er]

I am also a windrush genaration from south Asia. My grand father was a British and Commonwealth citizens in 1962.

[@michaelwarlow4398]

I have met and worked and lived with these people in my experience they are mint ! Hope this helps guys :))

[@Godsadvoc8]

living in the 'Bonnie Isle' I can say 'mint' is an expression I haven't heard in many a year lol, take care and be well China.

[@biddlelove2135]

They came to feather their own nests! the country was already built once! There's plenty of interviews with these people, and not one of them said they were here to rebuild Britain! It's always, came to find employment. And they were never invited, they just got offered a cheap seat on the boat. Nobody knew what to expect when they landed, it's a shame how they have been treated though 👍🇬🇧

[@thomasreed49]

I agree the problem is they would never wanted they were never invited. I didn’t want to become British citizens if there had been a war have been back to there country of origin quicker than you could say Jack Robinson. As soon as you let black Africans into your country you and your country become a target of Blame. It’s not worth it keep him at arm’s-length.

[@trollhunter9156]

it comes from the top down and theresa may was the one who designed the immigration laws when she was home secretary.

[@AnEnemy100]

May must resign.

[@billsamuls7620]

YOU MEAN REMAIN

[@brownlawgirl]

Dear God how long must we wait until you judge this nation for their wickedness?

[@brownlawgirl]

George S I want a troll job like yours, whats the pay?

[@gladifly]

How long must we wait before we ethnically cleanse our unwanted guests??

[@brownlawgirl]

Rishi This Oh so God looks like Cheddar Man then! Black with blue eyes. So where does that leave you then?

[@brownlawgirl]

gladifly How long must Africans Australian aborigines, the Maori native Americans Saudi Arabians Libyans Iraqui's Iranians Indians etc wait before they ethnically cleanse their unwanted English expat guests?

[@maria610421]

It will never happen till the people is able to VOTE and say do they want to be members of the Commonwealth and not just the Criminal elite selling out Black people time and time again, who should Vote, but the people not heads of States, but the Common Man, must Vote, and if they vote based on what Britain and the Monarchy has ever done for Black people we will finally have the true result. If they have decietfully used and abused Black people let the result pass judgement on the wickedness and crimes against Black people over the years from slavery and Who commissioned Charles Darwin to write the Book to claim Black people are inferiour when its not true, Black people situation is based on lack of Privillege and fair plar and robbery and crimes against humanity, and Religous nonsense.

[@rossellinirossicalrossc3507]

So unfair, shes being treated like an alien in her own country!

[@MJ-nx6vj]

Rossellini Rossical Ross C because she's black, some people don't think it's her country.

[@ianlumumbabinda3702]

Rossellini Rossical Ross C which country? 🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ianlumumbabinda3702]

wild one she’s probably Nigerian by roots🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂

[@AshanBhatoa]

Ian Binda Yeah, in the continent of Africa. Take a Geographical Lesson on Countries in Major Continental Landmasses

[@AshanBhatoa]

John Msx Number One. It has become her country. It may have not when her ansestors came here, but now it is

[@flexjuva]

I think the Carribbean region should start stripping the right for them to visit our countries and wake in freely set up business.. we should make it difficult too..

[@thebee9853]

That would destroy a lot of countries economies. Wont work.

[@zakzak1363]

Meanwhile Jihadists, convicted foreign criminals and 'child refugee' are allowed to roam free and are provided with accommodation and welfare courtesy of the UK taxpayers - disgusting.

[@waynefraser8669]

We are the hardest working out of all the people that's come here. That's not the way to treat us. May when is the TORY racism going to stop. I have been here since 1966. I'm old now.

[@billsamuls7620]

WHY YOU MOANING THEN

[@Godsadvoc8]

I hear you Wayne, and in the main I agree, only to add I have worked with a lot of Eastern Europeans and bless, they are hard working people, and because many black people assimilate to all the garbage we are being fed much of our youth have adopted the mantra of trying to get a lot having worked very little, and we need to be careful we do not jump on someone else's bandwagon. what offends me even more is we are still on average 'sufferers' rather than 'thriving' and as we are surrounded by rows and rows of pretty houses and buildings and facilities, this woman has to argue for a driving licence let alone a house, that the divisive statistics continue to describe as 'the average'. I was born here and my command of English is probably better than many who are thriving around me. I think Teresa May is clearly a puppet who is being dictated to by a hub of greedy bigots hiding in shadows, the only reason I have no sympathy for her, is because she could just turn and walk away, but hidden pressures will make her continue on her suicidal path, as this farce called Brexshit will implode, because much of the so called union who blindly voted to leave, had an objective before they ever considered the plan, and the complexity that comes with it will see not a meaningful deal done between Britain and the 27 that are the EU. Anyways, take care and be well friend.

[@wendyalexander5342]

These people deserve to be recognized as British! They're passports say Citizens of Britain, that says it all.

[@christinecarr440]

I'm a windrush immigrant from Grenfell tower....honest guv! Now, where do I sign....the Ferrari is on order. Promoted not on merit, but purely to present the right face to win kudos for the Windrush debacle. We must be mad. It is like watching a nation, busily engaged in building its own funeral pyre. Famous words.I sometimes wonder if Theresa May was secretly working to ensure Jeremy Corbyn won the next election. Nobody has done more damage to the Tory brand than she has.Very dangerous to have someone from a protected group as Home Secretary and whose allegiances are, to say the least, questionable.This is the final insult to the British people. First it was the great Grenfell giveaway now it the windrush gold rush !fact David Cameron said publicly he hoped Javid would one day become PM..Such an obvious move. Anyone who thinks that this is genuine must be barmy..Seems anyone can say they originally came on the Windrush even if they they've spent the last 50 years on extended holiday in their home country and they will now get a British passport and compensation.. My dad came on the Windrush, my mum came on the Windrush my aunt came on the Windrush. My ........ I now rename this ship, The Win - Rush !

[@khankarahi280]

I learned about the windrush in school 🏫

[@stephenmerriman5620]

Well said, at the very least Rudd should resign, this is a horrific attack on all British people, and should be seen as such.

[@ghostdog4330]

The Tories depravity is a bottomless void of which they sink more deeply with each passing moment. Its nauseating to see how horribly they've treated these folks.

[@Godsadvoc8]

Nausea is apt indeed GD, I concur.

[@Vladdie777]

Racial division is the last thing we need right now. Apologise, give them what they want, then we move on and resist the establishment's wars together as one people united.

[@Godsadvoc8]

I almost agree with you Vlad, only to say, we do not always get what we want as that is an apparent reality of life, I think what people I speak to in their mires are demanding is 'equity' not appeasement friend. Take care and be well.

[@hodgemoss]

These people are CLOWNS. Pure and simple.

[@lbstester]

catherine hodge-moss which people are you referring to?

[@XiagraBalls]

Didn't May have their records destroyed when she was Home Sec?

[@seelondon100]

Well said Trevor - defending the indefensible. If they want us to go we will gladly go but not empty handed!! Pay us what we are owed.

[@gervanmyers3066]

Yes sir you are right they take us for Granted because we are laid back.

[@johno4521]

This woman almost admits her mistake, "assuming it was all in order" and did nothing to check or verify it despite having over 40 years to do so. And she expects that the Government should compensate her for it... Plus don't forget that there were other nationalities affected by this, not just those from the Caribbean; the greatest numbers being Canadians but you never hear about them as it doesn't suit the agenda...

[@ah3690]

Discraful been here since 13 years old and been going thur this for 4 years and just remember after 4 year shame on HOME OFFICE

[@samwright4420]

this is because the UK people wanted less ilegal immigation ! if you are upset with it blame yourself

[@simona4315]

Meghan left before they killed her 😥.

[@bertmonkey8533]

Got to keep The Daily Mail sweet...

[@kdee868]

“i’m sorry for sonny” :)

[@hodgemoss]

The Politicians

[@philster611-ih8te]

Brexit Britain. Ain't it wonderful?

[@philster611-ih8te]

Brexit Britain is headed for disaster. All the impact reports predict nothing but disaster. Unfortunately it was the uneducated, poor working class that were unable to see this.. They have no idea what they voted for which would be expected..So far the Brexit has cost 19 billion and will end up costing Britain much more. The WIndrush are a consequence of the xenophobic mentality that is permeating Britain due to the low class uneducated serfs like you.

[@troiztv6580]

Chris Philips doesn’t seem to care

[@omalone1169]

The scandals of today are rooted in the secrets of yesterday In leaving aside 2019 spare a thought for 1999, the year Sister Souljah published her "The Coldest Winter". Channel 4 hosted "A Blagger's Guide To Black History." It was also the year the BBC aired the documentary, "Playing The Race Card" detailing policy that was to impact upon us. It revealed that in The 1950s a Secret Civil Service Committee was established and that it "made the case for controls." Its complete title "Working party to report on the growing social and economic problems ariising from the influx into the United Kingdom of Coloured Workers from other commonwealth countries" (August 3 1955) In Unwanted: The Secret Windrush Files (2019), David Olusoga exposed the makings of the "hostile environment." In May 1947 The kingston Governor sent a telegram to the colonial office in Whitehall warning of the arrival. The Secretary of State was urged to do "everything possible to prevent the occurence." Even Pm Attlee referred to it as an incursion even suggesting they be diverted to east Africa to pick "ground-nuts." (By contrast an April 1947 document revealed how EVWs were warmly welcomed in the thousands.) Immediately upon arrival Mps wrote the PM weary this influx would "impair the harmony, strength and cohesion" and sought to "control immigration" In January 7 1955, The Spectator reported on "The Jamaican Flood." Ten days later British pathe aired "Our Jamaican Problem." This came within the context of the 1948s British National Act, and 1951 when Churchill lead the Conservatives back before raising immigration questions to his cabinet in 1952. They set up this working party and further claimed these immigrants were coming to steal dole money (State Assistance.) In June 1953 officials were informed to conduct a Secret race survey to gather statistics to evaluate this claim. It was only two weeks after Queen Elizabeth, Head of the Commonwealth had come to the throne. In 1956 health minister Enoch Powell visited Barbados to invite workers to the NHS but "the hospitality was soon replaced by hostility." In 1952 the McWarren-Walter Act restricted access to the Farm Work Programme in the USA. In 1954 Constantine Leary highlighted exclusion in "The Colour Bar." In 1957 immigrants continued to be met by the White Defence league culminating in the 1958 Notting Hill clashes. 1962 Commonwealth Immigrants Act of Harold Mcmillan looked to control immigration on the basis of employment prospects. Rab Butler opined "the great merit of this scheme is that it can be presented as making no distinction on grounds of race or colour although in practice" this discretion would be applied. He continued "We must recognise that although the scheme purports to relatively solely to employment and be non-discriminatory, it's aim is entirely social and it's restrictive effect, is intended to, and would in fact, operate on coloured people almost exclusively." In 1962 Jamaica and Trinidad were granted independence, as was Barbados in 1966. In 1965 Race Relations Act was passed (amended in 2000, the year Damiola Taylor was stabbed.) In 1967 CARD petitioned to have the Minstrel Show (1958-78) pulled from air. In the 70s it was just one of the shows provoking race alongside Mind Your Mouth and Love Thy Neighbour. In 1968 the emergency commonwealth immigrants act was passed to curb British passport holding Kenyans. It was amended when the 1971 Immigration Act "marked the end of black immigration for settlement" demanding people be burdened to prove that they are British: "but in the meantime, life went on." In 2014 Lunar House formalised the hostile environment. "...yet here we are fighting to breathe, just to prove that we have the right to breathe." "...after 51 years they're going to grant me something you were legally entitled to."

[@karaloca]

Plenty of time to get your paperwork in order then.

[@AshanBhatoa]

K Edmodson Again, someone who does not know the history behind Windrush

[@lbonelove596]

They arrived here on their parents' passport because when they came here the country was part of the commonwealth country. The government should have kept record and or given them British status when they came. Remember the British then was in ruins and coaxed Caribbean nations to come to the UK to help to rebuild the country! As far as I am concerned it as though these people are used then disposed of!

[@tommydudley4103]

I'm so incredibly angry as a Canning Town Keir Hardie Estate old boy that black kids that I played football with grew up and loved are having their Britishness questioned! I love you guys and if they kick you out, they can kick me out and I'm a snow flake white footballer that's had his ass backed up many times by black friends when the numbers were against us!

[@Godsadvoc8]

Big small world Tommy, i'm originally born and bred in Forest Gate in the early 60's, and a lot of my my China's are Towners, and I don't see 'em as anything but staunch, stand up pals. You have lived it so you know. Cheers and be lucky fella.

[@Greatnews4me2]

Pink tie guy get real quick, you invited all this people to come and live and work for you in your country . So they did !

[@uncleruckus5121]

SO lazy woman !! until 15 or 20 years ago it was so easy to get UK citizenship simply fill out a small form and have a couple of UK citizens* verify that youve resided in the uk for 5 years ! VOILA *clergy, policeman, OBE , CBE , Lawyer etc

[@rufdymond]

Uncle Ruckus You’re missing the point...these people were U.K. citizens, the U.K. government destroyed the paperwork so there was no record of them.

[@centurionguards3819]

Isaiah 10:1-2 1Woe to those who enact evil statutes And to those who constantly record unjust decisions, 2So as to deprive the needy of justice And rob the poor of My people of their rights, So that widows may be their spoil And that they may plunder the orphans.…

[@catpainblackudder01]

1947 £10 pom, 1948 Windrush.......

[@donovandawkins2608]

She needs TO GO BACK HOME AND LIVE a BETTER LIFE

[@katharinedavis4947]

Bad mistake conservative government. K

[@iansumter1851]

good to see the BBC interviewer independent as always. Activist for compensation culture.

[@karaloca]

‘Laid back Caribbean people” So laid back they’ve had 70 years to get their shit in order and still not done it.

[@chrisbennett606]

K Edmodson what papers did your criminal kinfolk have when the entered Australia,Tasmania,newzealand,Canada-the United klans of ,AmeriKKKa ,Botswana,Nambia,southafrica,Tanzania,Kenyan,Zimbabwe oh that's right none , Fuck off

[@karaloca]

chris bennett I arrived in the UK, did what was expected of me in order to become a naturalised citizen, paid the appropriate fees, did the test, learnt the language then threw my old passport in the bin where it belongs. If I can do that in 5 years, what’s the excuse of these people? They’ve had ample time between themselves and their parents, in most of these cases they’re even from English speaking islands. I’m not, but I managed it. I’d say they’re either just lazy or stupid, possibly both. Fuck you too.

[@jermanospetalos3823]

Calm down you immigrant. It is/was not mandatory to have a passport. If they suddenly change the rules without notice of course people will get caught out.

[@karaloca]

Jermanos Petalos think you’ve missed the point, don’t get caught out. Knowing and understanding your status and making sure it’s all tied down should be one of your priorities. In effect nothing has changed, the government are only doing what they should’ve been doing for a long time, immigration is a huge concern for the majority of the population and the government are responding to that. The problem is that people who came as children with their parents for some reason believe like magic it’s another persons fault because their parents failed to register them as British citizens. If I was Theresa May I wouldn’t apologise for a government finally doing their jobs in finding who and who doesn’t have a right to be here.

[@thebennt6130]

K Edmodson Most people who have lived in the UK and worked for a lifetime would agree with you regardless of their ethnic background. We are going to be facing some tough decisions. It was incorrect of you to say that people have had seventy years. Most of the first wave of immigrants have passed away, the issue will be with their children, such as this lady. There may even be cases where both parents were not registered as British and children born in the UK after 1972 could be deported. Before the cut off in the eighties, the situation received widescale publicity. This did not just apply to the Caribbean but to other parts of the world as well. Many Caribbeans were saying they did not want to lose their identity, well, it does cut both ways.

[@kadiangraham4835]

They make the rules,they change it has they see fit ,while still keeping there feet firmly on the black men neck

[@irishninja1999]

What a disgrace

[@malcolmsoh5648]

is this US?

[@Tk-th1bq]

wow

[@Free12609]

There is a struggle between the people who know all the loopholes in the system/law and want to capitalise on it,and the GOV who wants to cut immigration and cover up their loopholes by refusals to remain in the UK.

[@Ste2023]

Not surprised with British Government. Long history of Cover Ups.. add to list

[@iansumter1851]

as always the first thing any of these people mention is benefits or compensation. Typical. No one has a right to anything in this life.

[@rufdymond]

You’re chatting rubbish.....many of these people have lost their jobs, which has then resulted in them losing their homes, even the right to medical treatment. Imagine if someone turned up at your house and revoked your right to work, which then caused you to lose your home because you couldn’t pay your mortgage. Or you caught cancer but was told you had to pay for your treatment. Are you honestly telling me you should not get compensated for that? How the hell do you even begin to put your life back together? These by the way are all things that have happened to people, some of which have lived, worked , paid taxes, or even served in the British military and been here for over 50 years. They are not illegal, the government messed up here and needs to put it right. You are entitled to your opinion, but it’s the sheer lack of humanity shown by people like you who just dismiss these people’s plight with a stupid throw away comment that angers me. Let’s hope that you or anyone you love who is facing adversity is never dismissed in such a glib way.

[@chrisbennett606]

U turn

[@iansumter1851]

the letter says it is perfectly possible to apply for indefinite leave to remain. Looks less like racism and more like someone just didn't understand the bureaucratic process. Irritating, but something people have to manage all the time.

[@dygg1587]

They should be be compensated

[@spaliverpool71]

Deported to a 3rd world African shithole. She can complain from there; no African dictator will give a damn about her claims.

[@jblogs1000]

looks like more compo for immigrants just like ppi kids go hungry poor families go without but WE MUST make sure the black people get preferential treatment even at the cost of british born kids immigrants come first british born know where

[@douglasandtheworld]

where's the outrage on what is "currently" happening to the farmers in South Africa, when will the BBC do some journalism ?

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

they cant because the world believes fair justice is being done to you. Theres a reason why its only boers being attacked

[@dorrettrichardson5316]

England Abba our God is watching You you people's are Behaving Like You All is God But I Just Want You All To Know That You All Is Not God;God Sit On High And Look On Low God Have The Last Word

[@athirashaji7403]

bruh

[@karaloca]

Wind rush? She came 30 years after the war.

[@shaulshakur]

Bobylon Kingdoms and Queendom must fall

[@creavanaddams9045]

Illegal. Leave. Deport. Deport. Deport.

[@misswright9068]

This is upsetting and the racist comments they need to look up your history look up cheddar man kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooiniIl6qpVkhpI

[@francescobonfiglio9142]

They are africans living in England...

[@ianlumumbabinda3702]

I’m Grateful to know my roots I’m not a mug u silly lost generation so called Caribbean 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@thebee9853]

What are you talking about?!

[@charlottereid1752]

A few documents and a passport doesn't make you British, sorry.

[@96blakstar]

Charlotte Reid actually it does, having a British birth certificate makes you british

[@96blakstar]

GoatMan race and nationality are two different things

[@lordsway7190]

Charlotte Reid the empire did exist and your crown gave every common wealth citizens the same rights Britain was the mother land if you don't like it, go have a word with the royal family and should have stayed put on your lovely England shores and never have conquered other people's land

[@gladifly]

agent x The British empire no longer exists, so nice try. Non-whites will never be British, as they can't appreciate British culture in the true sense, which is, it was all created by BRITISH BLOOD only English,Scots,Welsh,Northern Irish people, all of whom are white, can appreciate British culture. Now go to hell, you leftist parasite!

[@Sarah-ft8jr]

She may not be genetically british but she has every right to be a british citizen and every right to reap the rewards she’s sown within this country.

[@rorylennox1615]

im white, my family has been in south africa since 1688, apparently im not African, and im not european either. if thats the case she has no chance of being called British, and i agree with that.

[@gaia1218]

Dude you are AFRICAN! Deal with it! Shut up!

[@cloj4754]

Well, if you are a Citizen of SA then you have every right to call yourself an African. The difference in this case is , if you maybe go back 100 years ago, your ancestors were colonialists who just simply went into Africa and took land, killed millions of the indigenous people and started your businesses that way. These people on the other hand applied to come to the UK, got accepted and worked in the country, In some cases some came after WW2 on the basis that they were to help rebuild the country.

[@MajorrBison]

Live Life lol she is comparing Apple's to oranges..........her family came to africa on their own the other lady didn't.

[@treytroy190]

GoatMan terrible parallel to be drawn. In that sense, every white that came to the US isn’t American but still European. Can you see how stupid you look now

[@LifeisEnergy2]

George S you are ignorant! Shaka Zulu and Sochangana were already building South Africa and Gazankulu was a bantustan in South Africa, you don't know shitt and you being schooled by a Changana or Tsonga person.