Wing Chun Expert Challenges Master Of MMA, Who Wins?

[@allanvictor4257]

I didn't see even a single wing chun master in the video

[@deifault1409]

Nope

[@Greg-yv4js]

American MMA is unstoppable. American boxing and a little judo or wrestling will go along way.

[@fynngunsmisao2212]

Haha

[@Christus-Lucifer]

Truth 💯💯💯💯

[@joshuahunterwilkins4922]

That's because wing chun masters stop looking so masterful as soon as they're thrown into any kind of combat.

[@manguera9]

be real MMA is the real fight, that is why Bruce Lee said ,after watching martial people being kicked in street fight, with street fighters, Bruce Lee said ."use what is useful ,and discard what is not" sometimes a big punch can end the fight" he said ,in America people are different size,weight, is hard to apply martial techniques ,because the size of the opponent ,the weight, that is why he founded the jeet kun do , Jeet Kune Do is often considered "not a system" because it's not a rigid set of techniques or established structure, but rather a philosophy of combat that emphasizes adaptability, fluidity, and utilizing the most effective techniques based on the situation

[@Pietrangele]

@@manguera9 MMAis a joke too

[@alvaro_284]

Bruce Lee mi sensei el pequeño dragón ❤🐉 por el aprendí a manejar los nunchakus y todavía los usó 🙏❤👍

[@Shimizu_Saisyu]

@@manguera9 I would love MMA if MMA is not just a sport, means it teaches you how to defend yourself against every single attacks plus varieties of weaponry fights. Look at how Jeff Chan getting his ass kicked when he's in self defense tournament. He's a professional MMA fighter but that's the definition of real fight being different from sport.

[@amicellnandan3245]

@@Shimizu_Saisyu Jeff Chan got his ass kicked? Have we watched the same video? Jeff Chang absolutely smashed everyone, lmao, his self defense tactics may not be the best but his offensive fighting style has topped them all

[@Shimizu_Saisyu]

@amicellnandan3245 Oh yes, I didn't watch the another video of him joining tournament one more time 😅 I watched the one that includes Shaolin guy, Karate guy, and another MMA guy, and Jeff either. In the bar fight and in weapon defense, Jeff didn't do well tho. He always accidentally go to ground fight in multiple attacker situation and lost points. Jeff Chan got pretty low point than Jeese. Jeese was the Karate guy and got pretty high tho. Jeff even said that he really looked down on Karate and thought it's useless until he joined this tournament.

[@dennisbbb]

To prove if Wing Chun works or not we need to build a Wing Chun AI robot to fight against a MMA AI robot. 😂

[@troygerencer1620]

Na , just got to find one "big enough" to stop all the excuses and step in the ring !. But no matter how many times it's been proven , the purists still won't acknowledge or accept it , and it's so silly . Everyone should be respected for whatever discipline they commit themselves to , just enjoy it and stay humble , and unless willing to step in the ring , stop bagging each other as it's just juvenile.

[@fidler112]

if anyone watch what happened to the MMA fighter after challenging the wing chun master. the MMA fighter got black listed from the Chinese community and government. If he wanted to fight live in TV or any tournament he had to paint his face second, he lost his gym (that he owned) and everything with it. Him taking this challenge and showing what the old wing chun is not helpful in modern times. there was a documentary of this dude and this guy sacrifice everything, its crazy just to prove that MMA if most effective technique in present times.

[@wiktorius295]

MMA itself is not an fighting style, but mixing all martial arts,

[@boyetparaslondonuk]

Wing chun is for self defence only not for combat fighting.

[@minhducle1594]

Đó là một cú vả vào quốc thuật trung quốc - niềm tự hào của họ

[@JabbariScott]

Um, 🤔 isn't Boxing and MMA rules made for weight equality matches? Right, so why do people expect shoa Dong to possibly lose against opps half his size?

[@01touya]

kungfu and many traditional martial arts have no rules, all rely on speed or accuracy, only a few rely on strength. even kicking, hitting, stabbing forbidden parts in modern martial arts rules are allowed for traditional martial arts, because traditional martial arts are teachings in street fighting to defend themselves, which have no rules in them, so it may be difficult for them to control their habits to follow the rules.. so, talking about which martial arts is the best is, it depends on you use your martial arts, in the Fighting Cage, or on the Street.

[@rousseausp]

Employing many martial arts styles will always win over using only one style. It doesn't mean Wing Chun is an ineffective style, it just means it should be combined with grappling, wrestling or bjj.

[@troygerencer1620]

But as you will read in the comments, the stubborn purists are not humble enough to accept it . Probably ever stepped in the ring , yet not humble enough to accept it ?. An age old boring dispute where it should be simply a disciplined way of life , to evolve , learn and share as a community . 👍✌️

[@okamiexe1501]

jack of all trades but master of none is better than any master of one

[@maxdc988]

Many can claim to be a Wing Chun master but how many are truly a master. You can see that all of them descended into a boxing match in the video. 😂😂

[@johnnytbg9142]

6:20 is not wing chun, it's silat. And if you say the guy in shorts is an MMA fighter, he's the one who loses, not the guy who plays silat.

[@randiagustiana6897]

Yep, totally correct 💯

[@Niqija]

I don't know where these Wing Chun masters studied Wing Chun. The stance is wrong, elbows are not low, punches not with the elbows low, guard open....

[@KungfuCarnivore]

All ccp bull. Master with the tan shirt was standing in a western boxing stance. They pull these fake masters out of thin air!

[@DOW9925]

They would still lose. Wing Chung sometimes works against non fighters. If it worked in MMA people would use it in MMA. They don’t because it doesn’t work.

[@DOW9925]

Btw I studied wing Chung for a while. It’s a very limited fighting style.

[@vitkovitsmate7281]

@@DOW9925 It is gaining a lot of traction in MMA. But even in the past MMA ighters incorporated wing chun to their repertoire (ever heard of Eric Paulson?). Modern wing chun is quite different from what you see in this video.

[@Niqija]

@@DOW9925 What you see in this film isn't Wing Chun as you'd use it in a real [street] fight. Besides the fact that the techniques they use are really bad, they're also not going all out. It seems like the fighters in this video are afraid to really give their all to win. The way these people use Wing Chun, my grandma could beat them :-P. You also don't see the principles that Wing Chun is built upon here. I also think you're dealing with people who may have learned Wing Chun, but never really trained for practical application. That's a huge difference. We've trained and sparred with other Wing Chun schools a few times. Some schools were very strict about the techniques. We also learn to actually use Wing Chun for real-world situations. The techniques of people from those other schools were sometimes much better than ours, but they couldn't apply them well in real fights. I think that's also at play in this video with these Wing Chun masters. You're right that Wing Chun is a fairly limited style at its core. That has its advantages and disadvantages. The advantage is that you can easily apply the most effective basic techniques [I don't really see those techniques here]. The disadvantage is that you can run into problems in some situations, especially on the ground when fighting against a sport where ground work is built in from the beginning. I disagree that Wing Chun doesn't work, or doesn't work against MMA fighters. But it only works if you give it your all and not in a way like it's shown in this video. What @vitkovitsmate7281 also says... Wing Chun is evolving and becoming more complete. There are now many styles that look nothing like what you see in this video.

[@adminanoim]

It is not the style that is decisive, but the individual skills that determine the outcome of the fight.

[@fs7699]

Of course it is. Wing chun is bullshit and will always lose against boxing

[@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxyxxxxa]

I don't agree. Imagine that you have to fight. The rules of the fight allow you to use practically any technique. But if you lose, you can lose millions of dollars, your reputation and even make a fool of yourself in front of millions of people. How would you fight? We already have the answer. This happens in regular basics. Watch any UFC fight.

[@mantispid5]

Everyone that wants to defend a crap style says this lol

[@mystictouch9]

1:35 When a Tiger is taught MMA - They will Praise MMA When a Tiger is taught Grappling - They will Praise Grappling When a Tiger is Taught Kung Fu - They will Praise Kung Fu ... But when a Mouse is taught MMA - They will cry out "MMA Does not work" ... But when a Mouse is taught Grappling - They will cry out "Grappling surely does not work" ... But when a Mouse is taught Kung Fu - Then they will say "Kung Fu doesn't work" Put Kung Fu in the right hands... And you will see the Legends come alive...

[@Sadece_hayal_Et]

Dövüş kişinin yeteneğidir Dövüş sanatinın deyil

[@313_Sherry]

The only person i have ever come across on internet who understands this is you.

[@Altimit1417]

@mystictouch9 until the tiger faces a dragon, nothing that it was taught was applicable. The tiger then worked on itself until it became a dragon.

[@minhducle1594]

Tại sao phần lớn những con hổ lại học muay, kick boxing, boxing ... Chứ k học kung fu? Vì họ là những người thông minh và thực tế

[@bigm0e89]

Does that mean that everyone studying Kung fu now are mice? Surely there are some Tigers already studying Kung fu that can compete in MMA matches

[@blindalley8495]

Wing Chun teaches you to use weapons as light as feathers.😂😂

[@geatan9813]

By removing all the double and triple video sequences, your video is barely 5 minutes long...

[@droktovolt]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@akhil_k91]

Wing Chun master who just completed 1 month crash course 😂😂

[@Viewpoint314]

People who do the Donnie Yen win Chun movie pose , always lose against every decent fighter.

[@Shimizu_Saisyu]

@@Viewpoint314 fr if you place the lead hand slightly high, it's good tool for bong sau, lap sau and allows you to do a bunch of counter strikes even set takedowns. Wing Chun in grand master level has varieties of guards including short guards + slightly wide stance. But if your lead hand is lower like the traditional way, then I don't know what to say, you're most likely to block with your face.

[@lebaneseanimation]

yeh thats what i first thought when i saw the first man standing movie pose lol.. it seems like he never had a real fight in street with strangers ..it's not how things work in real life. but thats fun anyway

[@Shimizu_Saisyu]

@lebaneseanimation the main thing makes Kung Fu cheap and useless is the movies. When you look at almost everyone, they do Kung Fu because of the movies. There are only a few people who trains Kung Fu with a true spirit and when you look at them, they're always a fighters who can actually fight, while the ones who train because of movies can't fight.

[@lebaneseanimation]

@@Shimizu_Saisyu Hollywood fighters

[@pasukanlangit2401]

If no rules wing chun only need kick on the balls fast and strong and strike on the eyes. Its still 50 50 chance

[@vellemontinola6026]

This is the reason Bruce Lee evolve out of wing chun, he knew it was limited.

[@brunobruno9307]

No, it was because fight would end in 1s and you couldn't see the punches. It needed some flashy moves for the movie industry.

[@jokerv.0.0]

The first fake master was not wing chun used but taiji user

[@vellemontinola6026]

@@brunobruno9307your history...

[@Dreadlk]

Yep Bruce Lee did other Martial Arts because he needed Flashy Moves in order to get into exhibitions and Movies. The Audience would have been bored out of there mind with the 2 Second fights that happen in Wing Chun. Here is a great example of Bruce Lee going from using other techniques back into Wing Chun. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqqsoWqjf6hoa6s Only if your getting Hit by WC or watching it in Slo Motion can you appreciate the Speed and Power.

[@johnbishop9000]

@vellemontinola6026 Bruce Lee only learned half of wing chun, he did not learn the other half or the highest levels, as he left Hong Kong and went to USA, so created his own style. Therefore, he could not know whether it was limited or not as he did not know the whole of it. There are very few master's of wing chun and very few students able to recieve the highest levels. Wing chun is not a game or something to show of in a ring, it's not a sport, it has no rules, only principles. Even the IP Man movies are for entertainment only.

[@johnwisewords]

❝ Don't blame the Pen that can't help write well. • Blame the person who can't use it well. ❞

[@jerrtinlsc]

Dude the MMA guy is clearly a lot heavier than those opponents don't matter what style you use to fight, there aint no winning in a mismatch like that

[@TheB657]

No it's possible if opponent is observant like a hawk and agile enough to determine weak points. These opponents whom were called masters are not truly masters. Getting a belt doesn't make one a master, it takes years of self discipline, training the body and mind and learning the art of finding weak points and laying opponents flat. Traditional martial art schools don't encourage fights against other styles or rabid heavyweight boxers/fighters or those using weapons. That's where the art is trained and tested for killing moves. These are not masters but still students. Had these "boxers" fought a true warrior of medieval ages, they would have reached near death situation as the attacks were genuinely trained to kill the opponent.

[@troygerencer1620]

So you telling me you can't find one capable Win Chun guy in the whole of China , heavy enough to face this guy and satisfy you as being a fair fight ? Oh my God . These "self proclaimed masters" put their hand up to face him as he is and prove themselves , but they Didn't . 💡 Maybe he should have stopped eating a high protein diet , stopped doing weights and starved himself into weight loss to make it fair , just for You ! Why purists are so stubborn to except a superior "Evolved over time" fighting style , accept and respect it is mind boggling . Wing Chun , Kung Foo , taikwondo, boxing , there all great 👍 but actually in the ring in competition without excuses is an entirely different world . I love traditional martial arts , but when someone Doesn't Allow You to hold your centre line , your techniques become Obselite, and you are toast my friend . That is the Reality . Just enjoy your sport , were all in the one family so keep it united 👍

[@user-om6if1nv3d]

I used Wingchun in two real life attacks against me 10 years apart. Honestly, I musk confess that , then I immobilized the attackers using different techniques (Aikido/BJJ - I didn’t go to the floor though), but I started with WING CHUN! And I am no master/sifu. It works, when properly applied. These “masters” seemed had never really went against a full willing opponent!

[@viplivesmatter]

That’s not important, my friend. In the street you could meet a stupid guy who wants to take your money and he never train himself at the gym. He is just too much self confident, he always take money to the people by scaring them and that always works for him, but he is not a fighter at all and maybe when you meet him he also slept badly because he has been all night at the disco and he smoked a joint ten minutes ago. Against a stupid guy like that, you can easily use Wing Chun like my grand mother can easily slap his face, and you and my grandmother will win the fight. But the problem is: what if you meet a guy who has been training himself at the boxing gym 3 times a week for 3 years, he slept well, he doesn’t smoke and he is ready to fight to take your money? Here in Rome there are guys like that and using martial arts against them can help you to go to the hospital.

[@tomacc9859]

I call bullshit.

[@АошиКодзиро]

@@viplivesmatter If someone seriously wants to get your money and you were silly enough to go to a place where they can easily attack you - just give them money. All kung fu, mma, boxing cost nothing if you have an opponent with, for example, a knife, who knows how to use it. And it's really silly to risk your life and health just for 100-200 euro.

[@troygerencer1620]

Yea look , All martial arts are good in "Average" street confrontations as you learn hand eye coordination with defence and striking techniques , it's also a great thing to give people a hobby , get them off visual mind diminishing visual stimulation and introduce fitness . There's nothing wrong with traditional martial arts in that context , but to go against a seasoned hard street fighter or trained MMA guy is a tall order , there are no choreographed rules or techniques with these guys and traditional martial arts guys Will become overwhelmed. They Do Not TRAIN against these kind of fighters . Everyone can see it but the stubborn purists unfortunately .

[@emilianogabrielli]

That was not a Wing chun master ... None of the wc principles was applied

[@Sakurajima616]

It's because when you teally get punched in your unskilled ching chang wing chung bungo bongo face your so-called principals are for the schlongus when your arse gets the takedown. You watched too many of these scheit Ip Man movies.

[@dingpeng2317]

Wing Chun is good, but not against trained people with 1 strike knock out punch in MMC which is very common, or even tapped out or ground attack. Bruce Lee once say, "I fear not the man who practice 10000 different kicks, but 1 kick 10000 times"

[@emilianogabrielli]

@@dingpeng2317 I practice JKD .. I know :)

[@Frostykid94]

The problem with Kung fu is that they focus on forms and stances, I mean it's good but when they get hit all of the forms will thrown out of the windows.

[@emilianogabrielli]

​@@Frostykid94It depends on what your school approach is. For sure something like JKD is more RL oriented, but forms are just a teaching tool not the goal of a good KF practitioner.

[@holycow7174]

U know the reason why Bruce lee adopt so many fighting styles. Not just Wing Chun.

[@ibrahimag-arts5302]

Indeed, Bruce Lee said, “Be like water, it takes the shape of a vessel and has no specific form. 1:17 It is clear that the Wing Chung player does not wear boxing gloves, so he does not intend to deliver real punch. On the other hand, the MMA player does not have the skill to protect his face even if he faces a player.” Wing Chung intends to harm him and cause him permanent disability 4:00 The MMA player studied the weaknesses in the opponent's style and outperformed the close minded opponent Many other scenes don't show real Chinese skills

[@troygerencer1620]

They already making excuses for that in the comments , saying he took on different styles just for the movies ! 😁 Not to better himself of course, be humble and be the best that he could be , just for the movies you see. Hmmm wonder why he was outcasted by the purists in his own country too in the day 🤔. Stubborn purists really should be taught the humble technique in their drills ! 😁

[@Cooperage911]

9:55 What is that? Our Wing Tsun practices harder than what we see in this video here and there... I can't see those "masters" really use therir techniques with full power. Where are the throat punches, eye atack, ground fights?

[@colematuschka9252]

That sounds like KOTS. "King of the Streets is an illegal European-based fight club known for its no-rules policy." There are no long fights, because everything is legal, except groin strikes I think. Eye-gouging, no gloves, small-joint manipulation, fish-hooking, stomps to the head and throat, fighting on solid concrete, and no breaks. Simon "The Savage" Henrikson only has a couple fights that lasted over 10 seconds, and there are some good Lethwei practitioners who clean house in there too. I'd say that it is the wildest fighting promotion out there.

[@Sumurmati]

Wing chun is bulshit

[@brunobruno9307]

I've trained Wing Chun for several years and I haven't seen any proper Wing Chun move. I would like to see some old school master like Wong Shun-leung or one of his students to fight any fighter on the street or in the club(close quarters) in bare knuckle fight. To qualify as good first punch - it has to make mechanical failure, like broken yaw, broken knee, eyes gorged out or punch in the throat or kick in the groin. That is what Wing Chun is made for. It is true martial art. Most of other stuff is sport...combative sport, but still only a sport with rules. Wing chun has no rules...if you can you can bite opponents head off (like some Venom/Alien move).

[@roldanrosario8292]

The training in a martial arts school are geared towards preparing you to fight a regular person, not an elite level athlete. Give the Wing Chung fighters at least 6 months training, a high protein diet, weight lifting with regular sparring and these fights would look different.

[@Aheadoftheherd]

Lol that 2 min mark guy - "I watched too many ip man movies" 😂😂😂

[@StatusVolt-hi3ft]

MMA fighters are like Swiss Army knives; they have every tool to finish a fight in any situation, whether standing or on the ground.

[@Altimit1417]

as long as it's within the rules of MMA, yes. When there are no rules tho, it is just as about as effective as any other art.

[@tritchie6272]

@@Altimit1417 In a one vs one hand to hand fight,no guns and no blades,if I was a betting man I'd put my money on the Professional fighter. They can also incorporate the dirty tricks. As for Wing Chun,it seems as if a couple of UFC fighters might have incorporate a thing or 2 from it into their MMA fights. I guess a couple of them have enough knowledge and athletic ability to incorporate it into the other stuff they train in.

[@Altimit1417]

@tritchie6272 so you bet on the person but not the art. Ergo the art doesn't matter the fighter does.

[@tritchie6272]

@@Altimit1417 For the most part,yes I agree that the outcome is more dependent on the fighter than the art.

[@troygerencer1620]

This is the whole point that the stubborn purists aren't accepting , its " Mixed Martial Arts" , they choose the most affective , damaging and efficient techniques from different styles to get the job done . Not to look good or showcase tradition - Get the job done. I'm all for retaining traditions , their arts and watching their movies , it's cool , but for serious street defence or competition , it's a whole new world .

[@begood__]

The only way wing chun wins a fight is if it came with wings to fly away as soon as the punches start coming in

[@john23402]

Wing Chun fighters struggle to generate enough power to pose a threat to their opponents.

[@heikomiller888]

i guess, the attacks, that wing chun fighters normally would use (throat, eyes and so on) are forbidden in a fight like that, so that is, why it is weak.

[@emancoy]

​@heikomiller888 if Wing Chun guy is allowed to use those moves, the MMA would be allowed to use them too. Chances are that the MMA would use them more effectively

[@Altimit1417]

@@emancoy being allowed to use something doesn't mean you can use it as effectively as it is not something you are trained in. It is all about the fighter, never the art.

[@emancoy]

@@Altimit1417 look up MMA Jon Jones

[@pasukanlangit2401]

​@@emancoynope, chance 50 50. Whos faster will win

[@Wylsen]

You Know , Wing-chun it's a defensive martial art style design to make counters and defend yourself not something to aggressively attack Even Bruce Lee had to modify it to create his own style

[@onePeaceMaker]

This stuff only works in the movies. Real life, raw power, no rules and pain.

[@VermillionSilva]

Tu Teng Yao, will prove you otherwise.

[@JavaPointer]

Raw power helps... But superior technic timming bursting power etc... Creates different fighters!

[@Ivancroissant]

Raw power only produce power the skill comes from pritace

[@norbertkovacs900]

'Real life', 'raw power", no rules and pain. MMA fighters have not real life experience, have raw power, but have rules but he have boxing gloves. Decent fighters can not win without eyes, breath and balls (no matter who I offend). I think the winner, who can give better pain to the other. Whose eyes would you gouge out??? This is just a showcase where wing tsun cannot win.

[@李紹誌-y4j]

因為電影是套招的，真的打的話會被打爆，很多人看電影看到都被誤導了，哈哈😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@YassDavid]

Wingchun looks good in movies.

[@phillipmann8863]

The art of fighting without fighting wins

[@wb1065]

As someone who’s spent years training in a martial art, what I can say is if your fighting skills requires an opponent to act or respond in a specific or choreographed pattern to be successful then it’s clearly not a practical fighting art form. Bruce Lee famously addressed this issue with his advent of jeet Kune do. But current MMA styles along with Brazilian jujitsu have filled most gaps in defensive fighting strategies.

[@troygerencer1620]

Well done , thank you , finally someone of realistic humble demeanor making a mature statement in the comments section . Traditional martial arts are still great , but mostly trained amongst themselves and very regimented . People need to learn to just enjoy their discipline and respect others , this age old feud is just boring and unless decided in the ring , not worth the argument . We are all a part of the human family 👍

[@troygerencer1620]

Additionally I would boldly state with what Bruce Lee did , he could easily be credited as a founder of mixed martial arts , it's what he did and basically brought that concept to the world . Now imagine if he were arround long enough to pick up BJJ , wouldn't that have been a thing . RIP to a humble visionary I say ✌️

[@Octopussyist]

Wing Chun has little chance against an opponent charging at you when you are not allowed to use any open hand techniques. That is why boxing or grappling techniques of some kind work best against a boxer unless you can stop him with a precise kick. If it were a life and death situation and you'd intercept the attacker with finger-jabs to the eyes chances would be quite a lot better. What we see here is like a an expert knife-fencer would perform his best knife moves, but without the knife. Of course that doesn't work. Does that prove that MMA fighters are more dangerous than a fighter with a knife? It is also interesting how these guys are presented as "Wing Chun masters" although I bet nobody here have ever heard of any of them. Probably no more Wing Chun master than I am.

[@Sakurajima616]

This is a lot of BS. chibie chabie bingo bongo is just a waste of time.

[@benchwarmer7199]

But they can fight in the movie😂

[@harryrajah8389]

he forgot all skills in real fight. Both this guys can be KO easily.

[@ptrckkear1]

Wing Chun is not used in UFC or MMA. The reason is obvious. Ineffective.

[@rogerbanat]

their weight category is not fair.

[@vonsauerkraut]

Life IS Not fair

[@troygerencer1620]

Well , somebody feed those "self named Wing Chun masters" and stop the excuses already , so boring .

[@xXJonnyJamboXx]

so we learned from this that Wing Chung works only in Movies. MMA makes Chicken Wing of Wing Chun

[@melizarainstormz2588]

No eye gouging ? No throat punch ? Half of the wing-chun system's concepts can't be used here.

[@emancoy]

If you allow Wing Chun those moves, the MMA is also allowed to use them too. Based on this fight, it looks like the MMA would use them more effectively

[@ycksimonrexy1]

There's no strongest style, there's only strongest person

[@Dreadlk]

Always sad to see comments about MMA vs Wing Chun. When I was looking to learn marital arts I asked a few different advanced martial art students what would be the best technique to learn if I wanted to defend myself in a real world situation and was not willing to spend a decade studying the art. Almost all of them said Wing Chun! It is not a fancy entertaining style like what the MMA crowd is looking for but it is extremely deadly in real world situations and unlike many other forms you can spend only 3-4 years and become very effective against most opponents. First of all take a look at any video where a student from another Art form visits a Wing Chun class. The first comment you will hear is that the arms and Legs of advanced students are like Steel. Yeah this is because that Wooden Dummy we use is Brutal. From the very first week I started practicing with it up until the last week I was in agony from striking it. The great part was that after a year of pounding on it, I found that a bone to bone blow from another fighter felt mild in comparison. Second thing is that there is almost no backing away in Wing Chun, it is a make contact and keep contact form where you feel the opponents movements and move with them using various techniques in offense and defense simultaneously. Your main goal is to devastate the Persons head and neck and end it quickly. All of these strikes become muscle memory and most of them are not legal in the MMA, so it is pointless to even enter a contest. I can tell you from my own experience that it is a very effective technique for real world situations where someone comes in close looking to hurt you. The tremendous power and speed behind those small movement hits we learn coupled with the very tough hands and arms you develop are very effective at breaking someones neck or jaw.

[@nhutranquynh]

I agree with you. All things that are useful and immediately effective in Wing Chun are banned in MMA, so it's pointless to make WC practitioners into the ring! Same is to Aikido. MMA fighters who are proud of their power in the ring with guarding gears, just watch Aikido Sensei Tamaki in Jesse Enkamp video explaining "the frame" in MMA. Wing Chun and Aikido, they are not fighting art, they are survival art.

[@jvh5856]

Nobody cares about a wooden dummy. I practiced wing chun, then jkd and now boxing. A real opponent is not standing still with his arms stuck in the air like a wooden dummy. You can practise chisao as much as you want. You see it in the videos, it will not make you block quick hooks and overhands. Wing chun is ineffective and it has no knock-out power in its punches. Bruce lee took 60% of boxing into his JKD.

[@Justpassingby8]

Wdym survival arts , so it's not overall? How about survive inside a ring with rules Yes, without rules we know all combat or martial arts are deadly but the difference is in competive sport, u need to be smart once u step on that ring, you're not against wooden dummy or normal people. But a hunger person who well trained for years to knock people out. Yes u have a good technique but if it's not effective, you are done. That's the main point of that competition, they show us who's better, winner, lose or draw Is it not the same if we apply it outside the ring..win u live, lose u died? Man, There's some fighter who put their life and died inside those ring. That small cage/ring also a battlefield people just don't see it.

[@Dreadlk]

@@Justpassingby8 I guess your not getting the point. WC is not a Flashy kind of martial art that has any kind of entertainment value. It's offensive use is designed to be lethal, going primarily for the Face, Throat and Eyes in a relentless attack that is designed to be quick and effective. Most of it's defensive moves are not large sweeping moves, they are in close moves that keep you in contact with the opponent in order to create openings for more attacks.

[@Justpassingby8]

@@Dreadlk I commented to other guy saying bout fighting art and survival art are not the same? I get ur point bro and agreed, I understand on how lethal attack works in real life cause i know as well even tho using different approach. I'm learn Silat, boxing and Kali. I'm nobody , zero about WC, only see some stuff and great people perform it that's all. And I give respect all of those guys. Im saying again, every arts are deadly when comes to no rules, so that apply to all situations including life threatening , but man, this video is about WC vs MMA. Only the winner people view as the BEST. Not the arts

[@userlps0514]

The last two exchanged laughters, not blows 😆

[@paulbuckfield4599]

Wing chun works if can if used correctly in MMA, Like all arts train it right and it well work. The problem is people using the art incredibly

[@rauldelarosa2768]

​@@willr1796how much Wing Chung have you practiced or seen implemented in MMA Some pac sau is not a bad thing.. These smaller guys going against a big man isn't a good example of Wing Chung or even good Wing Chung practitioners....here we have good wing Chung. Like all other arts.. none are perfect. Hence why we have a thing called MMA these days.

[@rauldelarosa2768]

@willr1796 that's exactly what I said, yet you're not listening and it's because it does not fit your narrative.. there's bad wing Chung practitioners.. there's bad boxers.. there's guys who are sixty pounds heavier and have the weight advantage. Obviously,you need reading glasses or a new prescription as I have already said that I'm training in kickboxing and found a place that is Wing Chung that pressure tests and using different things and mixing up what works,does work... Say you never have been to a Wing Chung place or trained a day in it without saying that. Selective reading makes you a dishonest person.

[@peterkim893]

Joe Rogan actually pointed this out in a UFC fight. Actual wing chun successfully in action

[@peterkim893]

@willr1796 wow... I could really respond to this but ill sum it up... you somehow quote me quoting someone else when I never threw any quotes up...

[@BeGoodNow5]

@@willr1796 You're talking out your arse, because you've never seen or known a real wing chun master. Research a little more before you go farting out your mouth! You'd be wise not to be so taken in by these youtube videos!

[@adamantiii]

Many years ago, an unofficial tournament of 6-7 matches between kickboxers and Wing Chun fighters was held in Bulgaria. All the Wing Chun fighters were badly beaten, with two going to the hospital after the fights.

[@philantropistol]

I trained Wing Chun, unfortunately it sucks compared to boxing, wrestling and jiu jitsu

[@justinvillar7008]

Me too, so I end up mastering Filipino Martial arts instead because of its weaponry and unarmed combat especially if you encorporate it with Boxing, BJJ and muaythai.

[@Neuman2010]

Absorb what is useful. Wing Chun blocks and guards are very similar to those used in FMA are similar to those used in 52 handblocks. The footwork and lack of mobility are what really put one at a disadvantage. And also, plenty of MMA trained fighters break metacarpals, get stabbed etc in real self defense. The instinct to go to the floor with opponent will get you kicked in the head by multiple assailants on the street. And even some of the great MMA used only enough to mostly keep the fight on their feet, Lidell comes to mind. Many ways to win in MMA and on the street.

[@Neuman2010]

@UnjustVerdict learning to sprawl and avoid armdrag etc is important. That said, MMA is sport fighting and won't help much if you are fighting multiple attackers, someone that outweighs you by 30lbs of muscle or has a pipe or knife in their hand. If you're fighting one other person your approximate weight in a cage with hand protection, no eye gouging, no weapons, yeah its the way to go. On the street, mobility is the number one quality. MMA folks at the top of their game break metacarpals, absorb life threatening stab wounds etc. Some elements of MMA are useful, many are not.

[@Neuman2010]

@UnjustVerdict I don't do kung fu, but for street I'd highly recommend FMA or Silat with MT kick and kick defense. Tossed in the mix, Wing Chun and 52 handblocks defense. Study enough wrestling to avoid easy take-downs. That said, I do have a friend that studied Preying Mantis, Poekoelan, Shotokan, a little bit of Judo, and he was a bad mofo in a real fight. You get a real instructor that pushes you to pressure test what you know sparring and you won't be any worse off than the average MMA athlete. I'm guessing you've never mixed it up in a real street fight...anything with weight classes and rules is NOT real fighting.

[@Neuman2010]

@UnjustVerdict Again, if you're learning MA at a school that doesn't spar hard, go to another school. Teach a 120lb girl ring fighting MMA and she goes up against a 210lb man she'll get killed. Without including eye, throat strikes and weapons training, esp small EW, you're not in good shape in the real world. Street fighting might be stupid, but that's what an assault looks like. If you can walk away from a fight, it wasn't a real fight at all.

[@adempozhari]

One is art; one is fighting.

[@dgerdi]

Use Wing Chun the way, it was developed. It is a technique for a weaker person and because of that, it is defensive and counteroffensive at best. And as a rule of thumb: Never underestimate your opponents punches and never overestimate your kicks. You never sacrifice your cover for an offensive maneuver against a stronger opponent. Let him come. Maintain your cover, lure him into a mistake. THEN strike with all you have. And then repeat.

[@user-om6if1nv3d]

Truth, truth and truth. That’s what I did in real life. It saved twice.

[@giorgio5689]

wing chun is the art of defense, it is expressly used to find the points of contact with the opponent who is advancing, you must block in those points because in addition to landing the single blow you will physically wear him out 🙏🏻

[@aniketsingh5964]

While fighting the Wing chun masters suddenly forget their style and start fighting like MMA's😅😅😅

[@Altimit1417]

At the end of the day who is better isn't about the art that they use. It is about the practician. The better, fitter, luckier person will win.

[@Altimit1417]

@UnjustVerdict I'd like to see you back your opinion with facts. Saying you're wrong without backing it up with facts sounds like a 3 year old who has been told too much candy is bad for them.

[@Altimit1417]

@UnjustVerdict regardless of style, the person can be brought down by a lucky strike or someone who executed better strategy. Yes, style style has more efficient ways of doing things, but everything has a counter. The better athlete will always win.

[@Altimit1417]

@UnjustVerdict so you are saying world number 1 boxer would lose to average Joe who train striking a grappling for a few times a week? It's the better athlete who will win, not style.

[@Altimit1417]

@UnjustVerdict doesn't the winner imply they are the better athlete? Fitter, applied better technique, used better strategy, even the lucky punch , they were the better athlete in that moment.

[@Altimit1417]

@UnjustVerdict well yea an athlete is the person. No one person is 1 dimensional.

[@henryzr23]

Nothing can beat MMA fight style cause it's the closest to real life.

[@maxrappricciardi8218]

This does not prove anything except that a welltrained person will defeat an untrained. What does the ”MMA” guys want to prove? What conclusions should we draw if we would exposed an MMA beginner to a senior MMA practitioner. As someone commented before, there were not hardcore WC masters.

[@LewisNakao]

I'd love to see a video compilation of hardcore WC masters fighting MMA fighters. If you have any, please share them to me.

[@AnttiEskelinen]

It proves that a lot of those "kung fu experts" are actually frauds. And also that since MMA literally means "mixed martial arts" it is better than other ones since you can mix any style you want.

[@Berserker-p8f]

Ita the wing chun guys who wants to prove that wing chun is better than MMA

[@Kaison-pr9ms]

There was no wing chun master, he showed a kick thats it

[@HosannaSookra]

To the person making these videos, please get some footage of a real wing chun experts.

[@ambeliquemalebranche4305]

He is clearly uneducated in fighting.

[@ravisyahwani2]

wingchun is not for fight, its for meditation....

[@geatan9813]

Why do you always show twice? Once commenting and the other in silence, why? I find it very unpleasant to watch.

[@rogermoore4395]

Definitely not a Wing Chun master. A Wing Chun master should be able to adjust his techniques and moves to counter attack his opponent.

[@troygerencer1620]

Na can't get back into that unbalanced rigid stance quick enough with a freight train coming at them . Fighting has evolved my friend , accept it , be humble and enjoy your sport👍

[@jroddy1]

Even the MMA fighter looked like amateur. Imagine what a pro fighter would have done to that first guy

[@thesmuler5627]

The Wing Chun Master lost his wing and became just a chin master blocking strike with his chin

[@leechapman-ri9rb]

Wing Chun only works if your opponent uses wing chun.

[@0TahmidShadow0]

I don't think he's a wing chun master 💀🙏 he just learned some moves from ip man movie, not from the reality😭

[@BamboBam-f3i]

This isn't a IP MAN movie, MMA will win 95% of the time

[@cucuengkong5007]

Master Wing Chun :❎ Madter Lose :✔😂😂😂

[@shhdhdj267]

Wing Chun is best applied in elevator fight

[@xRudeDude]

Wing Chun looks pretty and made for the movies but in real life, any mma would take it out.

[@LiquidAssetsCoaching]

It's important to clarify a few things about these "Wing Chun masters vs. MMA fighters" videos. First, none of the so-called Wing Chun practitioners in these fights are true masters. In traditional martial arts, mastery comes with years of dedicated practice, often over decades, and these individuals clearly do not meet that standard. Secondly, MMA fighters are top-tier athletes, trained to excel in a combat sport environment. In contrast, most of the Wing Chun practitioners shown are not professional fighters-they appear to be hobbyists, some of whom don't even seem to maintain basic athletic conditioning. The exception is Qi La La, who is a professional fighter but is severely hindered by lifestyle choices like smoking, which impacts his stamina and competitiveness in professional bouts. This creates an unfair comparison: professional MMA athletes competing against wimpy, delusional Wing Chun hobbyists. No serious Wing Chun practitioner would agree to such a challenge. Wing Chun is a traditional martial art designed for real-world self-defense and lethal application, not sport. There are two key reasons Wing Chun doesn't translate well to MMA: Many of its most effective techniques-such as strikes to the throat, eyes, or other vital areas-are illegal in combat sports. The use of protective gear makes certain techniques and principles difficult or impossible to apply effectively. Sanda (Chinese kickboxing) might be a more suitable platform for Wing Chun practitioners, as its rule set and scoring system are more aligned with traditional Chinese martial arts. However, even then, Sanda is still a combat sport with limitations and protective gear, which inherently alters the application of Wing Chun techniques. Ultimately, these videos misrepresent both Wing Chun and the realities of martial arts training. Comparing a traditional martial art to a modern combat sport without context does a disservice to both disciplines.

[@jovetag6225]

Wing Chun is like Tai Chi. It's a meditation exercise not for fighting.

[@Elizabethcaballero-cp4hn]

Quien dijo que el wing chung no sirve para pelear,eso depende de como lo emplees

[@troygerencer1620]

Wing Chun for meditation? Don't know about that one my friend , but against the evolved MMA I haven't seen a proved competitor yet . It is what it is and not worth all these debates . People just need to enjoy their discipline and stay humble . 👍

[@emancify]

The MMA fighter is 30-40 pounds heavier than the Wing Chun Master. This is not really "competition," it is target practice for the MMA fighter.

[@troygerencer1620]

Yea , but show me a Chinese Win Chun man that's any bigger ? They all look like thin lightweight practitioners ! 😁

[@JohnJohnson-hl4fv]

It's not a fair fight because one is wearing mma gloves. It should be bare fist vs bare fist.

[@starfireforge1830]

No wing chun here, no wing chun master. I’m a Silat practitioner but I know about the importance of centre-line management in Wing chun or nearly any martial art for that matter. Modern MMA is NOT Martial Arts.

[@wisnwu6215]

safe to say, wing Chun is only helpful if one already has mastered a "main" style.

[@patino851]

Those kung fu masters go to the floor like toddler giving first steps.😅

[@heavy666koxen3]

Everyone who claims to be a Wing Chun master is not a Wing Chun master at all. They attribute themselves undeserved titles! He just turned 30 and became a Wing Chun master... hahahaha

[@pusatgrosirmania4740]

06:13 when Wingchun meet Silat😊

[@dtkbop]

Hmmm. i was there for the fourth fight. It was in Pattaya, Thailand. The guy is a Salat fighter and not Wing Chun. He at that time, was doing a lot of demo fights. Salat is a great striking style.

[@dannyevans3884]

Wing chun is limited to one style but MMA is a mix of everything and if something doesn't work they can always switch styles so I'm assuming MMA

[@ian11hendri03]

The size of the 2 fighter was not comparably fair.

[@louieguo2909]

Those wing chun fighters are too slow and not blocking accurately, which causes him to get hit. Then that leads to a chain of punches from the MMA fighter. Just a lack of fighting experience I would say is why Wing Chun loses over and over.

[@edgar1edgar902]

Only if the Wing Chung masters were bigger and stronger.

[@AlphaApex1811]

The comentator in this video have no clue of who is an MMA fighter😂😂😂

[@abyssguy686]

these types of videos are always implying that these are masters of Wing Chun, but the true master would not show off their skills in this type of sport.

[@jeffreyp1855]

"Everybody has a plan, until they get punched in the mouth!" M Tyson

[@kennysilvers-z4x]

Tyson is an idiot. Everybody has a plan until their eye is gauged out, throat punched, groin kicked or grabbed, or dead hand slapped on the back of the mastoid.

[@lentesingular]

The best real Wing chun master in modern world is master xand lee from Brazil, and i'm not joking

[@manuelnunez8802]

Why is the Black guy from 3:51 to 5:03 being called "Shiaou Dong" as if he were the same person as the Chinese MMA fighter?

[@cliffscott9547]

A part of Jeet Kune Do is Wing Chun. It is for the street, not a ring. I have 52 years in 7 arts so an MMA fighter/BJJ on the street will have one of six things done...blindness, eardrums shattered (if he wants to take me down), hammer fist to the brain stem (if he wants to take me down), and spear or knife hand to the larynx. His groin is fair game also. I teach nothing, but vulnerable spots and making an aggressor the victim. These Wing Chun guys don't understand Yin/Yang and parrying. You never ever back up. This is why a lot of experience in boxing is so important. You add all the best parts of these arts and then progression into quicker, stronger, and simpler strikes, you now have Cuerpo Lital (Lethal Body), my Art launching Summer 2025.

[@SolidSnake-z6j]

This is a huge blow to Wing Chun. Donnie Yen should watch this and do something about it to revive it.

[@Elizabethcaballero-cp4hn]

Donnie yen es solo un actor la realidad del wing chung es otra,sólo debes de combinarlo con otra cosa

[@TheB657]

Reason for the loss of alleged "Wing Chun masters" is simple : 1. Boxing is based on brutal onslaught, geared on bearing down on and knocking off the opponent utilizing body size, thereby weight and agility. Wing Chun and any martial art style as such has a specified movement set that is currently only used with an opponent using the same style. Traditional Martial arts now a days are competition centric than attack centric. Deadly combat moves have been removed from the curriculum. Be it Gong-fu or Karate. 2. Boxing doesn't utilize any specific style except with certain restrictions especially with only hits abive waist considered valid. Traditional martial arts at present, again suffers as the move set unfortunately is well defined. Expectation/Perception of incoming attacks varies. 3. Only those who excelled in almost all available attack strategies and motions in traditional martial arts including deadly moves and were able to deploy it in bringing opponents close to death even considered masters. The "masters" here are but specialists in competitive sports. True masters expand horizon of their styles through inventing new techniques making them more freestyle. Here therefore, "a true master" of the artform is not facing a rabid opponent. Conclusion : Martial Art "Masters" trained in deadly combat must be the only ones invited to open combat sports. The title of "master" must involve killing moves. Bruce Lee figured this out early.

[@newbie-r-usquestionsanswer7822]

Asian in general gives any martial art style a bad name. I mean I have never seen an Asian man that made their style stood out.

[@mikeymikeFType]

Wing chun isn’t an attacking art. You can’t use it to go wading in on someone.It’s defensive ,the moment they move towards you,you move and end the attack quickly. It’s not meant for a long drawn out bout. Strikes you can’t use in an arena. Throat strikes,upward palm strike to the nose etc. No high kicks, low kicks to the side of the knee etc. You let anger get the better of you and all your training goes out the window.

[@davemarsh1282]

Dubious masters. Wing chun is not for sporting contests because all your main techniques eye, throat, and groin strikes could not be allowed.

[@chandrakurniawan399]

*Who is he, Master of MMA? Never see him in UFC*

[@Bestdadever13]

Imaging thinking your a well regarded Master in your fighting profession then getting your ass handed to you. 😢

[@lukekohen]

Not the art but the artist. No ground game will get dominated one v one

[@BelleDividends]

It's not that Wing Chun is a bad style by itself. But most of its practitioners have had a rigid training history which leaves them unprepared for a broader fight. Wing Chun would fit very well in a broader MMA set when mixed with more techniques from other styles as well.

[@icespirit7829]

It's truly sad that I thought back then, when I practiced Wing Chun thought I could actually fight, just because I saw Ip Man. Now that I'm doing Karate and did some real sparring, I see how hard it is to react to forceful, lightning fast blows.

[@سبحان-ي1ل]

I have practiced Wing Chun for 2 years and I am sure this is not Wing Chun

[@johnmazzola1221]

I don't like click bait. Scrolled through the entire video in less than 4 seconds

[@Jaff1908]

All of the wingchun masters are smashed by mma

[@viplivesmatter]

The big mistake of martial artist is to train in their comfort zone, with their friends, proud of themselves, like a narcisist who admire his face in the mirror. If they have a match with an MMA fighter, they have to train with MMA guys every day and fix their own tecnique with those different animals.

[@GoldLinus]

should say "onestyle martial arts vs mixed martial arts".... some MMA fighters added wingchun in their "mixed" as well

[@breakfastplayz]

MMA and Wing Chun are both excellent martial arts and shouldn't be directly compared. While the video highlights their physical and spiritual strengths, battle tactics ultimately decide the winner in a ring, however in the streets it'll be different. MMA training covers a wider array of techniques, including grappling, kicking, striking, and joint locks. In contrast, Wing Chun mainly focuses on arm techniques, similar to boxing, with some kicks and joint locks. In competition settings, specific rules apply, prohibiting certain techniques like eye strikes, which limits Wing Chun's effectiveness. Thus, it's not entirely fair to compare the two, as both can end fights with a single strike when executed by the right practitioner. To illustrate, determining a winner between a mantis and a spider would be difficult due to their unique characteristics and nature.

[@nicolaenegoescu5178]

This is happening when you didn't have ideas of what is really wing chun