Wing Chun vs Jeet Kune Do (Breakdown)

[@hard2hurt]

I've been here several times. This is 100% how it always happens lol.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Lol I can imagine 😅

[@TimRHillard]

I'd do pay per view to see that! There's always someone needs a punch in the mouth...

[@CombatSelfDefense]

This is a really good example of how traditional martial arts reduces to bad mma when the pressure is on

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yuuup lol

[@bobhebel4116]

Indeed, and that's also what statistics on street fights show. A large fraction of such confrontations at some point wind up on the ground. Yet, there still is no shortage of traditional martial art practitioners who believe that their standup skills alone are enough to protect them in a real-world skirmish. They don't bother to learn takedown defense, much less basic grappling. Many don't even spar because they think that they can pull off a last minute, fight-ending eye poke, groin strike or knee shot against an enraged, adrenaline-fueled moving target. Naivete at its finest!

[@itsmaheen255]

Tbf there will still be significant differences stylistically between trad arts and mma when said trad arts are practiced with aliveness, even if some fundamentals of real alive striking and grappling will be similar and wont look like the average unrealistic karate bunkai application you will get in vanilla strip mall karate. The reason a lot of trad guys cant apply even the good stuff,both unique and similar, in their styles is because they dont spar so they tend to fall somewhere inbetween an untrained person and someone decently competent and you get crappling and shitty brawling. Jun fan kickboxing is unique compared to mma striking and muay thai but you are not gonna be good at using any form of realistic kb if you dont learn to apply it.

[@sliderx1897]

@@itsmaheen255 so all karate taught in strip malls is bad?

[@lionsden4563]

@@sliderx1897, Most. Yes.

[@HealerTheMaroon]

You gotta love how non fighting “martial artist” love to explain stuff like they can fight

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It's definitely a fascinating phenomenon

[@mauriciochalonslazarochalo2454]

Well the martial arts cómo More of an corporal techniques and make the example do it, because if someome make a thory presuming with arrogance that is a Best way to fight,You Will rage a tomar of martial artist fighters

[@TimRHillard]

Few years back, I am in an Aikido (yes, I like it) class and this hulk looking rolls in with a couple friends. Starts the whole talking shit thing and all. The Sensei just kinda waits for the talk to stop, then asks if they'd like to join in. Well, they did. And more shenanigans ensued, kinda like this video. At some point, the mouthiest guy of the group gets right in the face of the instructor, who'd had enough. The Aikido instructor hits the guy solid with a 1-2 punch. Almost knocks him out. As his friends are carrying him out, he is saying, that's not fair, that's not Aikido, that's boxing, as blood is pouring from his mouth😁😋 The Aikido instructor takes like two seconds to straighten himself out, then continues the class like nothing had happened! Beautiful👍👍

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Nice!!

[@boshirahmed]

Sounds just Steven Segal. Guy challenges Segal, Segal pulls out a russian bear, challenger says gey that's not aikido whilst he runs away.

[@tonygallagher6989]

I've had the opposite situation many times, when trying a different class. "Have you done any martial arts before?" "Recently, it has been mainly wing chun." "Wing chun's crap." "Okay. If you say so."

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, it's can happen from both sides unfortunately.

[@rantingfatman4555]

The open dialogues between the different arts practitioners are how we learn. I've had so many conversations with people and learned a ton of interesting tidbits (that I have now mostly forgotten). My instructor had a method for addressing rowdy participants though, and I kinda feel like every instructor should have something in their pocket to deal with situations like this. This wasn't the way, in this case the WC teacher should've asked the "jkd" guy to just leave and trespassed him if he didn't.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, this is definitely not the way.

[@sugacanebeats17]

Young man. Young man. Youngmanyoungmanyoungman.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

🤣🤣🤣

[@BorninPurple]

One day, I'm going to create an anime and call it "I wanted senpai Metrolina to notice me, but now I have accidently challenged him and we must fight!"

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Notice me, Sempai!

[@StEvUgnIn]

Spinning back-kick was Bruce Lee’s favourite kick. I read that in his own writing.

[@adriangarciasantiesteban8227]

It's amazing how anger and fury can change refined combat styles into extremely basic violence lol. It wouldn't be bad if they added wrestling or BJJ to their resume.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, definitely agree

[@randalwung8715]

What I took away most from the video when I first saw it-aside from how martial arts training often flies out the window in an unstructured, emotional situation-is how all that shit could’ve been avoided if one or both men had simply chosen to stay calm and disengage from the conflict. That’s it. No physical posturing or verbal escalation, no clear and embarrassing loss of temper…just walk away. Y’know, like any normal person would do who isn’t trained to beat people up or isn’t seeking to do so even if they can. And I’m growing increasingly tired of “fighting” being defined by one-on-one unarmed scenarios like this one. Just for the sake of argument, what if the challenger had pulled a concealed weapon or made a weapon from all the random shit lying about the space? Conversely, what if the instructor’s students had chosen to jump in for a collective beatdown a la Good Fellas? These are very real and very dangerous things that can happen that have little to do with MMA training or proving that JKD is better than Wing Chun or vice versa. Finally, the various stories I’ve heard of Bruce Lee being challenged (aside from the almost farcical Oakland showdown) seem to share two elements: 1) the exchanges were over almost immediately, and 2) the challengers were left impressed by his skill and with no hard feelings, sometimes (as with the karate guy in Seattle whom Bruce’s students thought had been killed, lol) even asking to train with him. Frankly, I find that more impressive than any ass-whooping he dished out.

[@kypexYBA]

loving the channel so far

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!!

[@markussiegmund4354]

Awesome Video Man, glad I found you through the rest of the "martial arts avengers" :) Greetings from Germany

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!!

[@TheNinjaEveryDay]

Great breakdown of this video! There are lots of significant takeaways, for example, don't teach during someone else's class and learn when to stfu.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!! The art of learning to stfu is a tricky one lol

[@Machina03exe]

My favorite matchup is You VS Phone Notifications.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Oh dang lol

[@uktenatsila9168]

I don't understand what that JKD kid was expecting. Someone invites you to home or dojo they have shown you respect and a degree of appreciation. It is a perfect time to forge long lasting bonds. In the martial arts world these bonds progress the art and sport and developed a supportive environment to help students achieve greatness. I would have sat down, shut up and observe. In such a setting offer gifts, suggest a BBQ and hang out time. And help tidy up that yard Lol!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That was my question- what was his intention?! Ugh

[@theoneaboveall7708]

@@metrolinamartialartshe was being a punk. Seen it all the time with kids. He wanted to show off and got spank. Seen it in the boxing gyms; wrestling mats; etc…kid was a drill king that never sparred. It showed.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

The kid's kick reminded me of Octavio because it's fast but have no leverage, no pressure forward with body weight, no body rotation. A real stop sidekick has all 3 elements : linear, body rotation, and body weight going forward, the result will always be a broken knee cap if it landed successfully Also I remember the context is the kid was invited by a student, acting like an ass for the entire session so the teacher let him play around with the wooden dummy while he teaches other students. Later on, while the teacher was explaining a stance, he shout it out loud "your groin is exposing" and then the next thing is the video, where he explained why his "JKD" stance is better. The teacher keep the gloves on and only slap him to keep him away from injuriesz which might lead to a law suit, which the kid did tried to pull off later on but failed miserably as the law saw it as justified self defense. The whole thing was explained under the comment in Mcdojo life's video about this subject

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Nice - yeah his stop sidekick is quick but no forward pressure. Although I'm not sold on the broken kneecap thing. Definitely hyperextention. Especially untrained people.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

@@metrolinamartialarts yea I might be a bit exaggerating. Only did it once in real life where I actually kick at the side of the knee instead of direct upfront. The guy was really cried after he tried to assault me first. I really thought I broke his knee

[@SodaPopin5ki]

Baseball catcher shin guards are great for stop kick practice.

[@jonathanbell3384]

I've trained with Rashun- Good Guy, Good Instructor. I'm not sure why that kid would go to his class and try to and try to take over...

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Cause he's an idiot. He didn't understand his place - someone else's backyard etc.

[@riversedgekickboxing694]

I'd love to spar with you someday, Ed! I really appreciate your demeanor as an instructor.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

That'd be awesome 👌 thank you so much

[@RadicalTrivia]

I hope we've all learned the same lesson we learn every time. Just do jiujitsu. 🤷🏽‍♂🤣

[@dmfaccount1272]

Or judo

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

To wrap it up. Let's just say: Do grappling.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah 😅 that's a good take away

[@RadicalTrivia]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 Fair enough. Grappling pretty much covers it.

[@RadicalTrivia]

@@metrolinamartialarts I'd love to hear your thoughts on why there are such huge swathes of the martial arts community who seem to be highly allergic to grappling.

[@BMO_Creative]

Stripes is on some stuff, headbutted wing chun and got folded... LOL... maybe a notification could have saved him!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

LOL

[@gw1357]

I bet the dude in the red stripes once dressed as Jacky from Virtua Fighter for Halloween.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Oh dang. Probably

[@dobo9150]

Wise man say, "He who walks into sifu's backyard with open mouth, should be ready to be fed droppings of sifu's indoor/outdoor cat."

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Ewww lol

[@coach_brandon1842]

Yea I had a guy off and on for months challenging me to a fight at my gym. I told him multiple times he can come in do the class. We spar every Thursday 15-18 rounds under control. I get fed up so I told him look come in act right learn will be fine. You come in trying to dojo storm and hurt my students, after you sign that waiver I’m putting in the hospital. He then wanted to pick a date. This man can’t fight he is from da streets. He wanted full mma small gloves “sparring”. Why do people who cant fight come to Muay Thai gyms and think if they do mma rules with small gloves magically they can win? He finally came in when he knew I was out of town and sparred my competition team. The man didn’t make it 30 seconds into a round because he gassed. And my guys just played with him. But he knew I wasn’t in town that week after 6 months of challenging he only shows when I’m gone

[@metrolinamartialarts]

They always do that. Its so stupid

[@coach_brandon1842]

@@metrolinamartialarts I don’t get it man. I really try not to down play anybodies skills or they’re martial art. We are strictly combat oriented at my gym our only criteria for if we use something is If you can make it work under pressure with a live resisting person who also is trying to hurt us that’s it. If you can’t it’s not worth our time.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@Coach_Brandon the KISS method - keep it simple stupid- is the best way to do it brother. Is it simple? Does it work? Cool

[@coach_brandon1842]

@@metrolinamartialarts I tell my friggin class being a martial artist is simple it’s just not easy. All you have to do is many reps very many years

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@coach_brandon1842 Simple not easy is my mantra at the dojo

[@maddinkn]

I think he said "sucker punch" because when they both fell down he got kneed in the juwels. Right before that dude got infront of the camera

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Dang maybe!

[@jmiahTNT]

JKD homie was definitely acting like a cricket. Doing all that chirping and then trying to be like nah when he gets called out on it. Wing Chun brother was cool for a bit and then lost it cause he wasn't getting the chance to prove or disprove anything. I get it, you come to my backyard and blah blah but i agree nobody won. had completely forgotten about this little clip. I needed a good chuckle today so thanks for that!

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Absolutely brother!! Thanks for watching

[@MysTicBiGz]

This isn't about jkd vs wing chun, it was about black vs white

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You're probably right

[@ambulocetusnatans]

Assuming the kid actually had a teacher, then this all could have been prevented if that teacher had taught his student how to act when visiting another school. Martial arts should not only teach you how to fight, it should make you a better person. And part of becoming a better person is manners and respect. Without that, we might as well be doing a sport, not an art.

[@LeeCasebolt]

Somewhere around the 10th "young man!" would've been a good time to retreat with what remained of his dignity.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, I think that was the last stop. Stop there, chances of fighting drop. But, they blew right past that.

[@mrh4nma]

It's a shame to know that this guy claims to be a jkd representative.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

It is a damn shame. 😓

[@mrh4nma]

@@metrolinamartialarts 🥀

[@fylgjafox]

I love the kick after the dude is pushed down into what looked like a bunch of tools. If the guy in black hadn't duck that would have been a powerful kick. It looked like a Muay Thai kick he threw his hip into it. But I think we should ask Rose's opinion I am sure she would love give her opinion on the fight!! Lol 😆

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Her opinion is important lol

[@deadmeatgames2]

Body language might be better for him to study. Because in the end caveman happens.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

All the caveman energy

[@mcjon77]

It would have been cool if both had run head first at each other trying to straight blast the other one.

[@nathanarmstrong7636]

Love the cowboy bebop at the end.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Thanks so much!

[@davidrempel4862]

If you ever visit your friends in Hollister be more than happy to spar with you :) Teach me a few things I’m sure :)

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Sounds great!

[@darthwolfX2]

There is alot more before the cameras started recording. Apparently this went on for hours and the "Jkd" guy was a dick the entire time. A Redman the wing chun guy was starting to lose his cool with him.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yeah, there's Def a lot before the camera started rolling. You can tell by the body language.

[@darthwolfX2]

@@metrolinamartialarts agreed I just wanted to inform you about the backstory about this incident .

[@pacoxxi3302]

but boy jkd shouldn't tell boy this you can and this you can't , as in bruce's words you are free from any mental block. IN JKD you can use all then regarding the situation of these 2 boys it appears that the boy was invited into this person's backyard for a pretext of fighting. It can be seen that the jkd boy has been training for a short time, in fact he shows the basics, among others, even in an unprofessional manner. Never go to a martial arts show on the street or in someone else's house, always do it in your backyard PS I knew a regional kickboxing champion who went to gyms to take lessons under the guise of being a beginner, just to punch someone, in martial arts sometimes you meet people who are fanatics who don't mind learning but want to hurt someone.

[@heavenreignsupreme]

its funny how in the video both are disputing their martial arts styles but end up throwing their martial arts out the window in a brawl lol

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yup they show us how wrestling and Jiu-jitsu (MMA) basically is universal

[@Frankie1622]

Ramsey Dewey said in a video that striking is actually an unnatural thing for a person to do and to fight with. Generally grappling (wrestling, jiujitsu, etc) are more naturally applied. Though, he also stated in that video part of the reason for striking’s more popularised use is due to mma promotions having rules that favor striking

[@budianto9874]

Jeet kune do vs wallpaper

[@itsmaheen255]

Looking at this yes, it is largely a bit of a barn brawl and not great but tbf there is some flavour of their arts that kind of makes it in there, mostly in regards to the wing chun dude since the other dude spends most of the vid being beaten up. The wing chun guy for instance makes some sloppy attempt at some sort of slappy chop strike, at least knows how to sort of punch and is hitting vertically. The jkd guy does attempt a round kick when he gets some mental and physical space and the wing chun dude especially is better than the average untrained rando. Still a mess tho.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Huge mess

[@ozkifovxvypyvp3574]

... why did the video end with a snippet in Japanese? I am so confused.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

俺のチャネルへようこそ

[@keishidojo64]

no ed, no fun only training

[@metrolinamartialarts]

NOOOOOO

[@anthonyallen3328]

My question is , practioneers from other arts, such as wingchun and jkd, say it's for the streets and not for the cage. Yet when there is resistance, you see bad, MMA. My point is, if you are saying you are about wingchun, then fight like bad mma why not just train Mma and leave the wingchun alone?? Obviously, you know the material of wingchun and jkd knows how to demonstrate it but can not do it under pressure. If you want to learn how to fight, you have to practice fighting with someone fighting back.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

You would think that would be the answer but people believe some weird things.

[@anthonyallen3328]

@Metrolina Martial Arts 😆 yes sir, weird exotic foolishness. The guy needs to give up wingchun and just teach slap boxing 😆. I think he is better doing that, lol. The other guy needs Rener gracie so he can practice the gracie combative because he looked rediculs 😆.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

To be fair, real JKD, explained from original branch, is indeed does not suitable for dueling context like MMA. And I found that it's the best answer. The context is sudden violence where you either sucker punch the other guy if you think he's a threat or try to intercept him with something when he tried to sucker punch you. What follow after that is you run the f away. You can't do that in the competition setting

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@jaketheasianguy3307 well this JKD guy surely didn't intercept that suckered punch 😅🤣

[@SodaPopin5ki]

I agree with others, both need to spar more. Not that I can talk, cause I sure as hell do too! I'd probably end up doing bad MMA if I got into a real fight... At least I don't go around challenging other martial artists. Anyway, gotta head to my JKD class!

[@marktowns9319]

I can tell exactly which lineage he comes from. I don't wanna say here because it's my lineage. Looks like a level 3/10.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Fair enough - I didn't want to name anyone lol

[@thebaneking4787]

Fu guy was trying to teach a class. JKD guy was trying to outdo him. After that JKD guy realize he shouldn’t watch so many movies.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Definitely

[@MartialArtsMoves]

*Bruce Lee was awesome hahaha*

[@StEvUgnIn]

Is he really trained by Ron Balicki? 😂

[@metrolinamartialarts]

I am - the other guys aren't. Not sure what you're insinuating here 😅

[@StEvUgnIn]

@@metrolinamartialartsNo, I wasn't insinuating anything. I just misheard what you were saying

[@StEvUgnIn]

0$ at stake and they fight for nothing 😅

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Yup lol

[@aboseman0908]

I'm just here to see Rose

[@metrolinamartialarts]

She's here!

[@brennansnowdon4642]

oh boy hes defintely not a jkd guy or hes a complete noob

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Definitely

[@takedakurosawa5416]

Both of them failed at their styles? Both of these guys need to spar more? Do you even know who Rahsun Herkul is? This man has trained Robert Downey Jr as well as many other Hollywood A list stars. So he's not just some random wing chun Sifu. The man has numerous videos of him and his pupils sparring. Also, sparring isn't necessary in martial arts.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Sparring is 100% necessary. And this man needs to spar more.

[@takedakurosawa5416]

@Metrolina Martial Arts I have successfully defended myself in street altercations with no sparring experience. Drills and demonstrations are the most important aspects of martial arts training. And this man has in fact sparred before. Look through his KZbin channel. You also ignored the fact that I told you he has worked in Hollywood. So he is highly skilled.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@@takedakurosawa5416 working in Hollywood doesn't always mean skilled. Sparring is necessary for stress inoculations - your unverifiable anecdote doesn't change that for most people. He may be good at wing Chun, but it's clear he doesn't spar enough. You see any pak sao's? Lop Sao or Jow Sao? Nope

[@takedakurosawa5416]

@Metrolina Martial Arts Have you seen Jesse Enkamp's video on Japanese Karate vs Okinawan Karate? He tells us that there is no sparring in Okinawan Karate. The reason why is because Okinawan Karate is a self defense art, not a offensive art. Sparring for self defense would actually put you at a disadvantage. And for the record, I think this man has more credibility than the average martial artist if he's worked in Hollywood. And yes, I did see one of the 3. Wing Chun actually does have ground fighting.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

@Takeda Kurosawa Okinawan Karate doesn't have sparring and thus is not a good self-defense art. Without sparring you're just practicing complicated dance. Bruce Lee called it organized despair. He was right in that regard. Hollywood doesn't mean credibility. How many charlatans get exposed out there in various modalities.

[@mykormaximus]

Likeddy Like…. Although, you are quite the Gumnut 😬

[@metrolinamartialarts]

Not sure what a gumnut is lol

[@TwistedGirlSquad]

That was hilarious! Both of these guys need to spar more? Does this guy in the video know who the Sifu's name is? His name is Rashun Herkul. He is a stunt coordinator in Hollywood, which means he has more credibility than this dudem And the troll in this video claims he failed? I've seen his videos and he spars on a regular basis. He never stops sparring. That was a traditional wing chun takedown, and a pretty solid wing chun takedown at that. People act like "You cannot fight unless you spar!" Well I take Isshin-ryu karate, never sparred before, since we don't believe in that in Okinawan karate, and I have beaten several people in a street fight. LOL I love when I watch a video and I see a guy with no martial arts background trashing real martial artists. Cracks me up every time😂😂😂

[@metrolinamartialarts]

He clearly needs to spar more - the fact you can't see it tells me more than you know. The fact you never sparred is extremely telling.

[@TwistedGirlSquad]

@Metrolina Martial Arts Are you calling me a Liar? I am a red belt in Okinawan karate. There's no sparring. You need to watch his videos on his channel before you judge. But you don't even have a martial arts background so you have no place to judge.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

The fact there is no sparring and you're a red belt is incredibly depressing

[@ComicusFreemanius]

Seen it, jorts guy is delusional and not fluid despite a lot of actual knowledge his implementation is too concrete and doesn't scale and his attitude is mad questionable.

[@metrolinamartialarts]

His attitude is the worse part