DETROIT - BUFFALO TRADE RUMORS & RED WINGS WIN STREAK - Winged Wheel Podcast - Dec. 19th, 2024

[@casewojo6186]

Don’t expect Yzerman to do a damn thing…ever lol. Not sure what Yzerman’s goal or desired identity is for this team. That being said, the core pieces look very solid right now, especially Seider.

[@seanr.6596]

I don’t think standing pat, other than trading some expiring deals at the deadline, is a bad thing. At the end of this year the contracts of Petry, Kane, Husso, Lyon, Fischer, and motte all come off the books. That’s a lot of roster spaces to play with and either bring up griffins guys who are ready or sign free agents. Unless we can add a piece to the core (which would potentially cost a ton mid season), why not wait? This team is not destined for a long playoff run should they even make it to playoffs to begin with.

[@brentanderson3887]

@@seanr.6596Well said good sir!!

[@markusk1015]

Exactly. I don’t get this pressure around Detroit making the playoffs, perhaps it’s an ownership thing? They’re barely able to even handle playing the worst teams in the league, so they don’t stand a chance against any Atlantic teams

[@DTA555.]

I say sell at the Deadline and forget about GR and the Calder cup and bring in the prospects that are ready so they can see what they have and if they need, to send anyone down to work on their Game? They still have options to see what other players can do. The Vets have been slow and the young teams are skating circles around the team.

[@DTA555.]

@@seanr.6596don’t have many Good FAs and the Defense beyond the top two need to be the Priority. We have forwards and these prospects deserve a chance, we don’t know what we have and GR is not going to get them NHL ready, only playing in the NHL and letting them get experience and get better if SY, is saying he is building through the draft. I don’t want to see a player or two every year or two.

[@Joe-t3r9u]

Great late show tonight gentleman. Thank you! I pray big Ed is back in the lineup soon and not out long term. I would support a trade for Byram or one of their skilled forwards.

[@Septembersmith9633]

I honestly don't think anything happens unless it's at the deadline or after the break. Also if Edvinsson is out long term it's definitely going to suck but they probably only bring up Lagesson go 11/7 perhaps? Short term solution. Who knows. It just means we get to Al Jo more playing time :)

[@DerpDerpityDerp]

Agree 👍.. who knows how long Buium will be if he can translate. Hopefully Wallinder will be ready by the end of 2025-26 season

[@ericscottstevens]

I have always felt the accelerated add of Kasper was to see what he could do or showcase him for a possible trade if he demonstrates some capable NHL play. So far only 7 points in 27 games but he plays a good positional game, but still a manageable intangible type center as he was projected to be. Nothing flashy. I think Nate Danielson is off the list for any possible trades. Just turned 20 in September with 16 points in 28 games with GRG playing against adult men.

[@DTA555.]

Kasper has been working along the boards and behind the net and his linemates are not scoring, now on the Fourth Line they have been the best line but not getting the Time on ice. He has more, but some players can’t work the same as him and he is doing the Dirty work

[@HockeyTownHooligan5]

I did find it interesting. I was at the MSU game a few weeks ago and saw Kris Draper and Dan Cleary(I also talked to them briefly, very cool moment). I noticed they were sitting on the MSU end that they defend twice. I thought well maybe they were there for Augustine, except he wasn’t playing. Then I thought maybe they’re there for Red Savage. But why would they be sitting in the defensive end most of the game? Two of MSU’s best defensemen are Sabres draft picks. Maybe it’s nothing, I didn’t ask them anything when I talked to them. Just said hi and that I was a fan. Just something I noticed and found interesting.

[@redwoods3020]

Kasper needs to be kept

[@ericscottstevens]

I think he is within projections talent wise, more points may come with more years experience, he is an intelligent player for sure. Other NHL teams are not going to be beating the door down for Marco in a trade right now.

[@mattl2642]

With Greenway going down. My instant thought was rasmussen and compher for dylan cozens. And the obvious mandatory 4th round pick swap.

[@scottritcey5166]

It would have to be a lot more than that

[@mattl2642]

@scottritcey5166 I totally agree they'd want more than that. But if I'm Yzerman, there's zero chance I'm giving up kasper, danielson asp mbn or a future 1st in that deal. And I'm not convinced that Buffalo wants to punt this season for more prospects and picks.

[@Polonolo99]

A trade with Buffalo would certainly be in character for this leadership team. This season has been written off by Yzerman and ownership. They'll be lucky to reach 75 points.

[@ericscottstevens]

With that being said SY cannot trade their 2025 first round pick. It is imperative to draft in the top 10 or top 5 and get more high end scoring at LW or a top pair type LHD for Seider.

[@Polonolo99]

2025 first rounder, according to Yzerman's normal plan, will make the big club in 2029.

[@danb239]

​@@ericscottstevenscould you imagine the Wings draft Matthew Schaefer? Top 4 of Seider, Edvinsson, Sandin-Pellikka, Schaefer would be absolutely ridiculous. Best in the league by far

[@TheDevilsKnot]

Thanks, guys!

[@samuelnicol8759]

Does anybody understand why the team dumps the puck so much when exiting their zone and entering the O zone? Ive never seen a team dump so much and have so little control. It has to be a coach thing right? We can see in the last minutes of the games that the guys can control the puck while entering the zone, why cant they do that all game?

[@DTA555.]

Vets are too slow and can’t keep up

[@gavinmarion91]

Byram trade could actually make sense for both teams.. Zucker is Buffalo's only player over 30.. They definitely might need some vets to actually get over the hump.. Kane (50% retained), Chariot (37% retained), they dont really have a future RHD.. could add Antti Tuomisto or Anton Johansson and a 2nd to 4th round pick.. Kane at 2m is very solid value and Chariot at 3m is definitely tradable. Kane from Buffalo and Chariot from Hamilton. I'm sure they wouldn't mind playing close to home.

[@billjohansson88]

Clearly, RW should explore the opportunities that arise. There was no buzz about Kakko to my great disappointment 😪, the interpretation is that Rags clearly was not interested in any player in the RW organization as they should be. There is nothing in RW that Rags doesn't already have better, however, RW had cap space before S.Y. had a mental breakdown. Cozens, realistically I'm not against that idea, although it will be a package partly because RW doesn't have the cap to do a 1v1 deal. Danielson will not be included there (1v1) but maby Kasper + other things can be included. But why would Buffalo want to make themselves even younger with more young players and why would they trade down on paper here? RW does not lack average players or players with some upset if things pan out in their pipe to 150%.

[@DTA555.]

I agree we need to look at Defense and not FA Forwards, if he can trade a couple Vets and say Ras or Veleno and get some NHL ready Prospects that are not getting a chance? He should do that but not at the expense of the Future. We have prospects that we know will not be making the team and package them with a vet and a 4th round pick and get the real rebuild going. He said he would build through the draft but this Coach is not giving Johansson much time and when Chiarot and Edvinson are back he will be sitting rather than playing and we don’t need young players sitting over vets who are not better. We have a fourth line that has been great and not getting any time to play while we are watching nothing better from the other lines. I think Ras should be Traded he gets points maybe 16 games out of the season and Veleno has been better lately but Kasper has been doing the board work and behind the net. He doesn’t get a chance to shoot the puck much because of the other players just throwing the puck on net or get stripped after the pass.

[@TheUtube53]

I think Berggran, Kasper and Johansson could be available but more young and unproven pieces is likely not what Buffalo is looking for. After the Big 5, Detroit has little to offer.

[@Healthy_Tanks49]

I want Schaefer More than anything but if we get Byram I’ll stop whining about him😂

[@DillonJayasuriya]

Savoie and cozens would be dope

[@tristanmcguire4820]

Savoie is an Oiler now

[@DillonJayasuriya]

@ oh wow, great pickup by them long term

[@Joe-t3r9u]

COZENS would be a nice trade!

[@ericscottstevens]

Red Wings passed on drafting Savoie for Marco Kasper. SY was worried about Savoies smaller frame. So far Kasper is winning the debate.

[@danb239]

​@@DillonJayasuriyayea that was a great trade by the Oilers, only gave up Ryan Mcleod. People were shocked, that was when the Oilers fanbase wanted Jeff Jackson to stay GM. Instead they got Bowman who lost Holloway, and Broberg to offer sheets.

[@socialmediag5485]

Wouldn’t be throwing a 1st round pick for the next 2 years that’s not top 10 protected

[@socialmediag5485]

Theres nothing we have that we’d part with (seider larkin raymond edvinsson) that the sabres would want for a cozens byram let’s be real 😂

[@seanr.6596]

Some of our top prospects potentially, but I don’t know that I’d want to do that for cozens

[@ericscottstevens]

@@seanr.6596 Actually outside Danielson or Cossa, what are the other prospects teams would want to trade for? ASP and MBN are still unproven. The recent history of SY drafts so far have not proven to be depth builders at all.

[@justinshields3819]

Buffalo trades Dylan Cozens and Bowen Byram to Detroit for Detroit's 2025 1st overall pick (top 5 protected), Andrew Copp, Max Plante, and Shia Buium. Detroit's future line-up est: 2029-2030 Kasper Larkin Raymond Mazur Cozens Buchelnikov Lombardi Danielson MBN Finnie N.D.Nilsson Kiiskinen Edvidsson Seider Byram ASP Wallinder Tuomisto Johansson Cossa Augustine

[@seanr.6596]

None is this will ever happen

[@brentanderson3887]

@@seanr.6596Bwahahahaha

[@ericscottstevens]

Buium? geez what?

[@danb239]

Hell no, Wings need their 1st this year

[@DTA555.]

You trade Kasper who can hold the puck like Zetterburg and he needs to get passes back to him, he has the potential and they have a bad team that is not scoring. The Coach should let him develop chemistry he’s been switched from second, third and fourth line now and not getting minutes

[@SpringCreek-e5p]

Goalies suck

[@pz29]

So, nothing happened trade-wise. Yzerman “likes our team.” Infuriating inaction.

[@dukevan5468]

Yzerplan gets an "F" so far....

[@jessecoonce1363]

Way too much wrong to fix this roster via trade(or by any other means) this season. Even over the offseason there isn't enough bad contracts expiring to truly make this team good headed in to next season, they'll still be carrying a bunch of negative value dead weight contracts next year.

[@icedo1013]

@@dukevan5468 A classic "what have you done for me lately?" spoiled rotten Red Wings "fan". He took the Wings from 29 to 91 points in less than 5 years and you grade him an F. Pray tell, what are your qualifications to give such a grade other than temperamental internet nobody?

[@seanr.6596]

@@icedo1013 💯

[@pz29]

@ one step a time, though. Yzerman just is so conservative.

[@carmanwright2889]

I really wish Red Wing fans and media would stop with the victim mentality around the draft. Nobody wants to listen to whiners.Why not think ok we’ve moved back and odds are it’s our turn to move up. No matter what we will overcome.