Winning a Duel By Bashing the Controller Into My Face - Elden Ring

[@GhoulishGourd]

Blind Spot is bad but I’m pretty sure Swift Slash is worse. Really remarkable how the two most busted AoW’s in the DLC are tied to the same weapon class

[@user-kz6sg3mz5h]

Yeah at least you can outplay bad players using blind spot by baiting it out and then punishing it. Swift slash... well...

[@iota-09]

at least swift slash doesn't have i-frames... a shame that just 2-3 of them with any grease or status are enough to bliterate anything and you can spam it.

[@SickoModeOff]

@@user-kz6sg3mz5hI’ve been getting better at this but the recovery is still very low for that

[@SirBagsAlot-fj3pe]

They are both busted as hell

[@xai01]

I'm seething that they made fucking double reverse grip blades busted, while actual practical weapons and remembrance rewards are still underwhelming. They really bent over backwards to give them high mobility, high motion values (damage) despite having visibly shit momentum, and busted AoWs that don't even have a lore justification. You just get anime superpowers from holding your sword backwards.

[@metroidhunter2861]

Blindspot vs blindspot “Nothing personnel, kid.” “Nothing perso-“ “Noth-“ “-“

[@cirocustodio]

"damm got greed" *dies*

[@pangilli1880]

Fought this in an invasion and was like, “so they made bloodhound step offensive??” and lost all hope that they would ever learn anything

[@shmekelfreckles8157]

It’s sad that fun things must be nerfed for pvp, real shame

[@William256]

​@@shmekelfreckles8157Not really. You can nerf things specifically in PvP and leave them the same in PvE.

[@w1nterscurse]

​@@shmekelfreckles8157 There are 400 weapons in Elden Ring, along with numerous magic spells and unique skills. However, 90% of them are useless. They are either niche or have no purpose compared to other weapons that are unbalanced in both PvP and PvE, making it pointless to upgrade some of the weapons with the limited resources available. Having 100 weapons instead of 400, but ensuring that each one is viable and has certain advantages and disadvantages compared to others, would be better. However, the game developers chose to add a bunch of weapons that players end up not using. They could have invested that time into adding or improving something else instead. The funniest part is that the Godslayer's Greatsword L1 attacks are the same as the Fire Knight's Greatsword, but for some reason, only the Fire Knight's Greatsword has an L1 L1 combo. I completed the DLC and received slightly different-looking Radahn armor and Radahn greatswords. I regret wasting my time and money on this.

[@w1nterscurse]

​@@William256 Yeah and you always have to wait for the patch to come out and just swallow whatever they give. There are 400 weapons in Elden Ring, along with numerous magic spells and unique skills. However, 90% of them are useless. They are either niche or have no purpose compared to other weapons that are unbalanced in both PvP and PvE, making it pointless to upgrade some of the weapons with the limited resources available. Having 100 weapons instead of 400, but ensuring that each one is viable and has certain advantages and disadvantages compared to others, would be better. However, the game developers chose to add a bunch of weapons that players end up not using. They could have invested that time into adding or improving something else instead. The funniest part is that the Godslayer's Greatsword L1 attacks are the same as the Fire Knight's Greatsword, but for some reason, only the Fire Knight's Greatsword has an L1 L1 combo. I completed the DLC and received slightly different-looking Radahn armor and Radahn greatswords. I regret wasting my time and money on this DLC to be honest, my problem though.

[@William256]

@@w1nterscurse The FKGS L1 to L1 is 100% a bug and will be incredibly easy to fix as well. I disagree with having each one be viable, that's just not realistic. Some things will always rise to the top. Hitting a perfect balance just won't happen. Even in Bloodborne, weapons aren't perfectly balanced.

[@shaan3512]

The i-frame fix you mentioned actually is possible FromSoftware balanced Bloodhound Step in the exact same way, by reducing the i-frames specifically in PvP

[@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT]

Why does it even need i frames it's an offensive move while bhs is a defensive move

[@Sharkamfss]

​@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT it's supposed to he a counter move I guess

[@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT]

@@Sharkamfss fair but then it should have the least I frames possible or atleast bad recovery.

[@drumer960]

@@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT its like raptor of the mist

[@ALUCARDTWILLIGHT]

@@drumer960 no it's not raptor is purely defensive

[@Nami10481]

Arena is unplayable now lol, everyone is spamming L2 with dlc weapons Remember dark souls one where you're weapon would break if you abuse the power ? Good times

[@bullymcdouble6048]

Fr. Ppl using Messmer spear and new radahn swords literally just hit L2 and I just gotta stand there for ages looking at a stupid light show.

[@JohnDoe-pu5gk]

L2 the game, such a pathetic design yet people still try and call this their favourite Souls game 🤣🤣🤣

[@Nami10481]

@JohnDoe-pu5gk at least in ds3 you used different buttons like L2 R2 L2 R1

[@zawarudo8991]

@@JohnDoe-pu5gk can‘t believe I miss r1 spam

[@metaphysicalparadox]

im guessing elden ring is your first fromsoft game

[@JISHBOSIN]

This reminds me of Turtle meta in For Honor. Don't do anything till they attack, and perform a successful parry and you win

[@lotus8551]

warden 50/50 meta

[@Jeenine]

This is absolutely brilliant, lmfao

[@JohnDoe-pu5gk]

Go back to invading for a living mr scared to show his face...this game won't last much longer 🤣

[@thegrunch6448]

​@@JohnDoe-pu5gk Schizophrenia?

[@bobertastic6541]

​@@JohnDoe-pu5gkDementia?

[@Tenfold-mm8ge]

​@@JohnDoe-pu5gkretard

[@Shmeky.]

​@@JohnDoe-pu5gkratio

[@sovietspaceship]

s can be made different between pvp and pve, the fix is easy if fromsoft understand how broken it is

[@iota-09]

the fact they couldn't realize how broken it was before launch though is... not exactly comforting. seriously, release day of games and dlcs are basically beta releases and early adopters are the beta testers for them.

[@Sharkamfss]

​@@iota-09 Don't think they test for pvp

[@iota-09]

@@Sharkamfss honestly it feels broken for pve too

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

​@@iota-09correct. Bhs was extremely detrimental to the game, both online and offline. Its like giving you a gun in a street fighter game with infinite range and hitscan.

[@Legendary_Honey]

I knew exactly where PVP was headed once I picked this weapon up. Trivializes the PVE content as well. I think it just needs the I frames removed, honestly. Or decreased distance and I frames.

[@HumbleHomunculus]

Yep completely remove its s for PvP. And make just remove swift slash as well tbh. I dont know what fromsoft was smoking.

[@RSVikingJohn]

I agree, just removing the i-frames would be good enough. Before learning about the i-frames I mostly used this ash of war in PvE for repositioning. It's completely fine for that purpose alone and doesn't need the i-frames. Hopefully FromSoftware removes the i-frames on it. It would make for an ash of war with a lot of skill expression.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Its a fundamentally broken ash. Losing the would be huge though. Also perhaps give it vulnerability frames?

[@breadcrumbs179]

iFrames can be adjusted specifically for PvP. Patch 1.10 made PvP specific adjustments for quickstep and bloodhound step, so it’s not without precedent.

[@puffycheetossuck3075]

The Ash is pretty strong, but man do i love those throwing circle blades

[@FriedrichTheGreatest]

This is why ds2 PvP will always be peak, in there you can feign attacks

[@Day100]

They actually went hard on balance patches too. I hope we get a champions ashes style mod like Ds3 did for ER one day.

[@MakoTaco]

Backstep having s was also great. Lots of fun pvping with ugs builds

[@FriedrichTheGreatest]

@@MakoTaco not to mention ultra weapons having parries, so they're never 100% safe to punish because they can just parry you and then oneshot you with the riposte

[@WeeabooPocky]

@@MakoTaco there's actually a talisman that allows you to have i-frames on the backsteps like in ds2, from what i notice it has the same i-frames as rolling. it's called "Fine Crucible Feather". and yes before you ask, it has the same drawback as the other feather talisman, it lowers you defences, but just like soreseal, intead of being 30%, it's 15%.

[@JohnDoe-pu5gk]

I kinda prefer DS2 PVE aswell.

[@dotterel4530]

i found swift slash is also very spammable and also similar in the regard that its just "press l2 over and over to win." it has really strong range, and the attacks between the first hit and the 'vacuum' slices that come after are staggered in such a way that makes it virtually impossible to dodge both. paired with bleed (staggering through rolls), literally all you need to do is spam l2. they cant roll far enough even with light roll to escape it.

[@Nightmare-pj4fg]

As soon as I saw the skill basically being an attack and a dodge at the same time I knew it was going to be fucked. Swift slash too. The possible nerf for the former is some kind of separate PvP balancing, which they’re obviously capable of, reducing its damage drastically, and also maybe just removing it’s I frames completely and giving it some kind of light hyper armor instead. I don’t know about that issue. A dodge being an attack is just broken no matter which way you put it, but also that’s the point of the attack in pve. A better solution could be that you have the dodge stay the same, but the attack portion be delayed and slower instead of if being one swift motion, thus giving time for a reaction or r1 from an opponent to counter if they know you’re spamming it or playing unskillfully. In other words it needs to be able to be punished for using it too frequently. As for swift slash, simply give it a slower more readable start up time and less dmg and that takes care of that.

[@iota-09]

honestly, swift slash shouldn't have been an ash of war in the first place, it should have been the falx weapon art and the falx's should have been the ash of war to put on backhand blades, or a variant of it at least.

[@ChunLo21]

Speaking of “aggressive BHS”, Have y’all heard of “swift slash”?

[@AxxmorbidfloristxxC]

Corvian greatknife on steroids. My first play through of Elden ring I kept hoping the next dagger I got had blind spot for the pve. This is a whole other thing though.

[@bonelessthincrust]

Maybe they should watch their blind spot.

[@Kizen.]

Blindspot is countered by palmblast. Everyone keeps talking about the backhand blade ashes of war like they're stupidly oppressive, meanwhile I literally just palmblast tap on reaction and they keep getting hit. Also palmblast staggers long enough that it truecombos into light attack, and i think even heavy attack.

[@OceanicManiac]

martial arts are dog weapons, so if your opponent knows your plan they're just gonna beat you with their superior moveset and press L2 whenever you try to attack, even swift slash can just go too far past you to get hit by it, or just bleed proc you out of your l2

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

If only one attack from one weapon type can maybe counter an attack, we have a balancing issue. Also the dryleaf hand has the incorrect poise damage value so its not ideal to use as of now.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Another issue highlighted here is how the ashe actually gets priority after the user gets staggered by a COLOSSAL SWORD. Poor guy wasnt even out of his recovery by the time the ashes attack frame began. This is a big issue that a lot of ashes that are considered broken are - raptors, BHS, quickstep, all had the same problem. Read the frame data, folks.

[@Pine2142]

In duels blind spot may be worse but in invasions Swift Strike is 99% unbeatable.

[@ItsNothingAmazing]

No clue why people refer to 'swift slash' as 'swift strike'. Also, I've beaten many swift slash players in invasions. It's not easy because they just spam it but I've beat 'em using the talons with endure (so they can't stagger me) and blood grease on a dex build. The R2 into R2 is a combo on the talons

[@KyokujiFGC]

@@ItsNothingAmazing Endure's probably the only halfway decent way to deal with it at the moment.

[@ItsNothingAmazing]

@@KyokujiFGC yeah it's not a guaranteed win but it makes it so they can't stagger you. As long as the swift slash user isn't smart enough to not spam the aow when you get the endure off, you have a good chance of winning when the bleed procs from your weapon

[@lupin2589]

Throwing it back to the days of DS3 facemashing

[@XxMichaelRayxX]

I've never been so glad to have spent many hours getting used to raptor of the mists, counters it fairly well.

[@lunatik4291]

Oh damn I thought it was mainly Swift Slash. What joy

[@teache1210]

Anyone who thought a souls game dlc would not have weapons that made the pvp trash has clearly never played dark souls 3 dlcs pre nerf weapons.

[@planetbumble5060]

Having war flashbacks of the Ringed Knight Great swords L2 in early Ringed City

[@benjustice5297]

feels like the jondaliner video when gryphon came out

[@johnholland6958]

The counter play for this is super simple; swing with a HA weapon, turn around mid swing. Only the first half ish of blind spot has i-frames so you can easily catch it out by turning 70-90 degrees.

[@incius8341]

probably only works with colossals since blind spot does heavy stun. And, if you try that the recovery on BS is so low they can roll away unless the lat is perfect.

[@blargminton]

wait until you see the forward jump leaving attacks in your wake. that thing is even worse

[@Just_B0red]

Best way to counter it is with Midra remembrance weapon oddly enough works nice vs this (or I just had luck with people who didn't press L2 enough) but tracking and hyper armour it gives on the Hornest impale thingy is pretty nice.

[@dearcastiel4667]

Revert it to DS3 blind spot. Done.

[@LyllianaofMirrah]

Corvian Greatknife.

[@MithrilFist]

I never comment on your channel but this is high comedy.

[@kanaria-cu3uv]

personally I think this is hilarious, and I'm going to have as much fun as I can before the inevitable nerf

[@thenause]

Hey man I absolutely loved narrated try hard duels from dark souls 3, I don't know the state of elden ring pvp at the moment but I'd love to see you make narrated duels again

[@Neroh01]

I dont think we have the same definition of "bashing the controller into my face"

[@Haf-A-Devon]

I had a plan while testing this with a friend while on my mage build, assuming the blind spot user is kinda dumb (which I'm sure most will be) you can set up some zoning spells (shard spiral, glintblades etc) and if they try to close the distance you can actually use the awful twin moon spell, the blind spot attack doesn't swing up at all so it's not able to hit you in the moons lmao. That being said, could also probably do like Gavel of Haima and just super armor it

[@tytsty5716]

The only counter to blind spot is probably just swift slash spam and the only counter to both of these is high latency light roll

[@BigLadle99]

Fast attacks you have time to dodge out of before blind spot hits. I was using carian slicer vs blind spot and it wasn't super oppressive imo

[@mattsutphen9233]

I was hoping that the title of this video was literal and I wasn't disappointed. 😆

[@BoobooIDK]

Peak Michael Zaki pvp experience

[@tortue_]

I was on 80 arc and went "hmmm" while I was dueling my bud and he was kinda losing a lot. +25 occult backhand blades at hand, tried this out, won, laughed hard and sent him the link to this vid.

[@domonkoskiraly]

Real ones remember the red-hilted halberd video

[@sekonsanyt593]

Scott "only react" jund really is a manace

[@nicko0904]

Rolling sparks often catches people at the end of blindspot when you free aim, definitely not a counter but it's there

[@etchickadee]

i want to see 2 players using this play leapfrog

[@DeutsBoui]

Add a large recovery window to the move w/ additional stam cost?

[@RustyCid]

Oh cool a new mini game in Elden Ring! Ring around the rosie! 😂

[@Casualfield]

Scott "react" Jund is back

[@after9651]

just bait blindspot with something that don't whift, or use weapons with fast recovery, or use endure and or aow with similar animation to mix them up

[@007massey]

When I found the backhand blades shortly into the DLC and tried out the moveset and then the AoW, I knew they were going to be a problem 😭 still a sick weapon and definitely a new favorite of mine, but once I realized there was i-frames I knew it was gonna be abused ☠️ sadly PvPers can't stick to using exclusively what they actually enjoy rather than the most broken meta options, I understand sometimes there's overlap still and meta stuff can be fun but most have 0 self-control and go overboard with it imo

[@Cris-ge2lh]

Wait until he find out about swift slash 😂😂😂

[@GoonCommander]

SCOTT IS BACK!

[@CheapShotFail]

Seeing stuff like this in the DLC makes me happy I didn't invest time in this game's pvp. After seeing how the demo had tons of DS3 glitches in it and they only patched it because of pressure from types like Gabri and G9 it was pretty clear fromsoft never learns andor doesn't care about pvpers besides potential bad publicity. ER just felt like new toy syndrome where they thought throwing in hundreds of new weapons and AoWs would overshadow the dumpster fire, and the DLC is just that mindset on steroids. Still hope they make it enjoyable, I just won't hold my breath.

[@ETBrooD]

It's a cool looking AoW, but I agree it breaks quite a few parts of the game. My first thought was "this will get nerfed in PvP", and my second thought was "this will get nerfed in PvE" xD

[@christianbertrand4846]

Wait till you see swift slash.

[@ashens0ul]

Decided to try out this ash of war in pve after seeing this and it's kind of insane there as well. It does SO much damage and is easy to hit due to i-frames.

[@Nate-kw8fu]

Not op, Scott’s face is just too powerful!

[@DoTheEvoluti0nBaby]

*Guy wins duels with his forehead. Doctors hate him.*

[@vasheldiablo507]

not every skill needs fucking i-frames!!! if its fast and agile then thats It!

[@Voxine00]

Nice haircut, looking fresh 👌

[@stxxtgi]

Just completely remove the I frames so its like ds3 Blindspot. It can keep the gigantic ammount of foreward momentum and still be better than flamestrike without I frames

[@manic_ferret]

RED HILTED HALBERD 2 (but actually problematic)

[@rabbidguarddog]

Fromsoft: our game does not hold your hand. From soft two years later: 😂

[@akbossk5317]

Let me find out I’ve lost a duel to a forehead…

[@OnlyWaifuYT]

Didn't help that the person fighting you clearly didn't have full brain function

[@tanikstheabomination9743]

Shush

[@Thereisnogreatersword]

I frames can be made different for pve and pvp, they did the exact same for bhs and quickstep. they're unnerfed in pve but only 9 frames in pvp (i think)

[@lharsay]

Quick Step and Bloodhound Step have nerfed s in PvP, they could even turn it off for this one.

[@nobody1336]

Bring back the sniper builds scott

[@ipotato95]

And here I thought the title was a joke

[@sophiefoley2378]

you made a video like this before back in dark souls 3, what was it?

[@Omniprong]

I think it was the red-hilted halberd.

[@vector2993]

A lot of the dlc weapons make it so if you attack first in pvp, you lose

[@adexin6210]

Maybe adjust the timing of animation so lighter weapons can roll on reaction after committing an attack. Then maybe some stat changes to make it less spamable. But with how Fromsofts net code works... it starts looking like more of an issue. So idfk

[@mrdoomman97]

still more skillful than murky

[@clockworkcadaver]

I get it but murky didn’t bleed, poison or frostbite in 3 hits or had an attack that moves you 12 feet forward. I’m sitting here with a coil shield and putrescent vortex trying to do a silly micolash cosplay and every match I’m immediately cut down by this, swift strike, madness torch spam and sleep shotgun crossbow

[@SwagapagosTurtle]

@@clockworkcadaver coil shield for a micolash cosplay is kinda genius.

[@perfect-death4284]

Nah, murky takes at least 1 brain cell to use

[@smokeyson436]

Scott “#R2to4head” Jund

[@devinbutter5758]

Honestly hard carried me through some bosses. Definitely needs the BhS treatment in pvp.

[@bubbly_ghost]

Blindspot V Swift slash Who wins? You decide!

[@christianflora2316]

Using this in PvE and I'm 99% sure you don't get any s using Blind Spot

[@tomskeleton]

Blind spot invalidates 90% of the setups in the game, swift slash invalidates the remaining 10%

[@thegreatqtip4516]

Maybe they could lower its stance damage against players so people can poise through it?

[@felixmorin4611]

Hey talking about balance i have noticed that flame spear wont hit the full ash of war if you are standing to close to someone, the projectile part of the ash will come out behind them and never hit. Anyone know if thats intended or just a glitch? Was using flame kinghts greatsword, dont know it its the same for other weponds

[@thedanielbrigade6097]

Fuck yeah, I’m laughing rolling on the floor. I feel 💯 validated as a backhand sword user. (Still in first areas of dlc)

[@DarthRane113]

Never had an issue just grab a heavy shirld and light weapon youre welcome

[@Smazzish]

oh yeah this video has viral potential

[@Echolaliaxu]

I'd remove the s in pvp and make it so that it grants hyper armor for pvp during the s it has in pve

[@freshlakai]

the claws of night are pretty broken too, not as bad as this though

[@BloodRain222]

Invaded more than 50 people yesterday and didn’t die once to any of them with this. I could drink water and just tap L2 with one hand and still win so dumb lol

[@CLoud88917]

If i got beat by a guy using one hand id probably punch my tv and never touch any game again

[@shblade5984]

eeh, I'd just stop playing pvp in that game

[@humanratteler9760]

They already did a patch with separate pve and PvP Iframe changes yo

[@thehomestead8831]

bro what, ion even know it was that bad

[@Azoz157_]

maybe radhans AoE pull on his sword counters it ?

[@DJIronChef]

we just dont use it. thats how we fix it lmao.

[@TheOneAndOnlyZN]

I thought the undodgable speed blitz ash of war move was bad I got this one and I haven't even used it yet, yeah I'm not doing pvp looks ass lmao

[@justinsmith4232]

Thank god I haven’t run into any competent players yet using blind spot. Swift slash just feels so braindead in the same sense but It can be used better offensively.

[@blondsucre8179]

Do the same with rhe lightning twinaxes

[@radjamss6390]

I’ve been running fire knight GS and backhand swift slash, soft swapping between the two. Incredibly easy mode. Way overtuned. Makes the 1.10 meta look like rainbows and unicorns.

[@fpteamkvitka6223]

This AoW is really fun to use, and I hope if they nerf it for pvp, theyll do it in a way that only affects pvp. The worst thing they can do is have pvp balance impede pve fun

[@Emeowy]

Okay yes on god but also, does anyone know how to get the brave set? the guy on the duel was wearing it and ive been wanting that shit ever since i learnt of it

[@2HandHangerDunksOnly]

It’s a little to the north west from the red bear near the ravine north bonfire. It’s on a cliff next to the hill the bear walks around on, south from the pile of rocks where the two regular rune bears are sleeping

[@thepainphantom]

@@2HandHangerDunksOnly You were correct. I got it. Thanks, didn't notice it despite I've beat the Great Red Bear.

[@FarAway88]

I remember you doing something similar in DS3 with red hilted halberd, its kinda sad to say but souls PVP peaked with DS2 and everything after its just meh.

[@flossy5258]

Nice haircut

[@The261ride]

Yeah, seems like there's always something like this in other souls games. People that were smart would play this same way with poise + hyper armor with heavy weapons in ds3. Its not very fun to play against

[@TheDoomlord7]

I think swift slash is much more cancer.

[@paris5831]

Love this move but the other one is cancer

[@ferofferd]

Amazing stuff lmao