Thoughts on "Hackers are Taking Over [Dead by Daylight]"

[@AshleyFrankland]

The type of cheater makes a difference, subtle cheaters are going to try and avoid streamers, because they're trying to get easy wins and won't want to get busted

[@cjames9320]

And gamebooters/ddosers. On console, before I ran anonymous mode, I'd get gamebooted once or twice a day on average. On PC I run VPN, so never had that issue there, but it's a real problem as well, because the victim has to suffer through a DC penalty, as well as losing any offerings and bloodpoints from that match

[@GandalfTheSilver]

I've seen 3 blatant cheaters in just the last couple of months. It makes me wonder how many of them are sneaky with it to avoid any and all suspicion.

[@GandalfTheSilver]

​@@cjames9320 Yup, it's funny how the "disconnected from host" almost always follows after good chase or right after downing a surv. It couldn't be more obvious.

[@cjames9320]

@GandalfTheSilver yeah thats the only reason I run anonymous mode and I haven't had it happen since. But yeah, it's entirely obvious lol.

[@xIronwafflexx]

This is the one thing Scott never seems to think about. He says almost no one sees cheaters often, but says nothing about the plague of subtle cheaters. I've had nights where 1 out of every 4 killers had bloodlust 1 speed off the rip, and I have caught survivors running behind a rock on the edge of the map, only to run behind the rock and they are mysteriously gone. I've even caught other random survivors speed hacking back before made for this was nerfed. We weren't even in end game and a survivor unhooked me and we ran off the same direction, and the other uninjured survivor was faster than me with made for this and the enduring speed buff.

[@itsOasus]

The dude that Hens interviewed was so delusional. It was hilarious, in a sad way.

[@tPlayerioT]

not surprised

[@Awesometraxgaming]

I didn't find it funny, in fact my blood was boiling at the ones who refused to take 7cmPwincess off their list because of how unbelievably awful they were.

[@itsOasus]

@@Awesometraxgaming Don't misinterpret what I said. I don't find what they're doing funny at all. I was strictly speaking about the delusions of these morons. I think I made that pretty clear.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

Those guys might have been among the more extreme ends of what a cheater acts like. I don’t really think anyone who will try to be more sneaky and under the radar with their cheats would act with such a cartoonish attitude

[@orias7190]

bro was talkin like an anime villian LMAO

[@OleksandrSlepnov]

calling them hackers is disingenuous. They're script kiddies at best, the only thing they can do is push two buttons on a neatly done UI

[@mitchsz]

Yeah just cheaters not hackers

[@TheMissingPluto]

Yeah they get off on being known as hackers, which they're not. They're just cheaters with a credit card.

[@Mirrors957]

Huge agree these guys are about as much of a hacker as some guy finding his friends password written down and using it to get into his account. Cheater is such a better and more accurate word for them. Though script kiddies is a classic that's super insulting lmfao.

[@LibertyMonk]

There are three things people get out of hacking: 1. A feeling of control 2. A feeling of victory 3. The inverse of satisfaction from making someone's day The fact they're winning trivially doesn't get old because they're playing against people who'll occasionally have rage reactions, and they think it's funny that they can trivially cause problems. Having a sense of control over one's own life isn't super common, so the feeling of having control over someone else's time is intoxicating. A lot of people will power trip the moment they have even the tiniest bit of influence or control over others. Some hackers are just that awful shift manager in a place staffed mostly by highschoolers, or the type of person who runs for HOA chair.

[@tanez778]

@LibertyMonk or some cops, some defo have that ego complex translating to "I'm the law I don't have to abide anything but you do what I say" that disappear the moment they're adressing a judge or someone above them. SOME, not all. But still.

[@kaned3570]

god thats a lot of words without saying anything

[@DeathSpeltzer]

Those 3 things explains why there is so many hackers in russia

[@koifruit]

@@kaned3570Sounds like you just can’t read then

[@kaned3570]

@@koifruit you his bitch.. shut up, he wanna talk he can , keep your mouth shut, hes a big boy he dont need your help

[@nicolaslugo9357]

I left a comment on Henz’ video as well but i’ll leave another here to echo another thought i had. I think these cheaters are living miserable lives, and the evidence of that is they’re grown adults who spend their days ruining other people’s games. If you have the time to do that morning and night, you likely dont have a job. Or friends. Or family to spend time with. Or a partner. You’re just sitting at home, stewing in your own misery and need an outlet to give you dopamine. Once you find a reliable source of that dopamine hit your brain craves (for example, you can never lose if you make it impossible to lose), you’ll stick to it until that well dries up.

[@SubxZeroGamer]

They're living in Russia. Enough said.

[@maximilian1588]

theyre russians. so, yes. theyre miserable.

[@Philscooper]

Notice how the people are mostly eastern regions So they are poor, meaning they are miserable and so they wanna "have fun cheating"

[@YagamiTrala]

@@SubxZeroGamer Russians are really brainwashed, I don't think they consider their lives miserable

[@compumon]

my gf befriended the hacker Lyrically at 1 point and played some games with him just for fun, at first she enjoyed talking to him about music and stuff but as time went on he started getting super weird, he invited her to his discord server which was full of other girls he met on dbd basically saying how amazing he is, he kept trying to get her to hang out with him on vrchat, and when she would tell him no he'd get super weird about it. it basically seemed like the hacking gave him an inflated ego and weird relationship with women where he couldnt take no for an answer. i think that's really all it is, just people with egos thinking they're the shit for being a hacker

[@averagepainenjoyer7148]

how did your gf react?

[@compumon]

@@averagepainenjoyer7148 once he started acting weird she stopped really interacting/playing matches with him outside of talking about how our games were going and he started sending sappy "it would have been different if i was there..." messages to her after we'd have a bad dbd game. idk eventually that acc she had added as a steam friend got banned and she didn't bother readding him when he made a new one

[@averagepainenjoyer7148]

@@compumon there are so much weird people on dbd, i hope yall don’t get hurt by that cheater

[@ngc50]

Hey, as long as they’re all chainsaw myers and hatchet throwing flying ghostface

[@scherb428]

1 of 300 cheaters is like that

[@yeasumliiidat]

@@scherb428 none are like that. It's not possible to do it anymore.

[@tPlayerioT]

i liked the ones that could make 2 killers but most if not all were just not trying to only get 2 killers to work but troll

[@taylozen]

i don't get why hackers do boring stuff like winning, instead of doing funny stuff or scaring people. my favourite example is "creepiest dbd hacks i've ever seen" by juliacanda

[@venurian]

Yeah, don't people play games to have fun? If I had to hack, I'd do the same- just subtle or scary situations that'll stick with people. Lmao I just imagine teleporting with Undetectable right behind someone and seeing them take off running just to teleport away from them.

[@ScottPorterback]

Idk Scott, some people don’t really have or need a reason. It’s super easy to do stuff like this over the internet because it’s over a screen, it’s not real to them. When you start to assume they do things for a reason, that’s when you lose focus.

[@Crystal_Gear]

i think what scott is saying is that these guys say they enjoy the reaction. that essentially boils down to "i enjoy watching people suffer" which in and of itself is inherently sociopathic behaviour, and i'm inclined to agree with scott there. there absolutely is a reason. is it a valid reason? fuck no, but it *is* still a reason

[@tPlayerioT]

well sure but its something that motivates them to do all the work and having a ban, having to deal with everything.

[@redman0027]

I'm not sure if its been proven in fact, but you can see it relatively often something about computers changes the way we interact with other humans. We just don't see that guy through the computer the same way we see a person when we encounter them in real life. These people are laughing but I don't think they actually truly grasp what they are doing. They kind of get defensive when Hens starts to say that you are ruining someone's life and they get louder and some of them try to say its just for laughs man. I feel like they are the type of people if you were to meet them in public would cower in fear of anyone standing up to them, but their the power of anonymity online they can finally be the strong people they think they are inside. Its kind of disgusting TBH.

[@frogg5368]

it would also be pretty hard to get them to tell you their big secret reason as to why they cheat

[@koifruit]

@@frogg5368​​⁠ it’s not really a secret, it’s quite clear as day why they cheat. they get some kind of enjoyment out of seeing someone else angry or upset, whether that enjoyment comes from them thinking that’s funny, or they’re just sadistic and like to watch people suffer. they don’t see a person with feelings just like them behind the screen, just a source of entertainment. they are selfish and entitled people

[@bleedkarma]

If you have to hack in a game you’re just trash 😭 edit: yes I watched the video ☠️

[@pixelizedpear]

Sadly there's a lot of trash human beings in the world

[@FloopLooops]

Ong bru 😭

[@RaffoPhantom]

Comments like this are exactly what the hackers want to see. Congratulations, you're feeding the trolls.

[@bugzloser898]

@@FloopLooopsflooplooops mentioned?????

[@bleedkarma]

@@RaffoPhantom lol they paid for them you baka they are gonna use the whole subscription regardless it’s better to spread awareness but congratulations for making yourself look stupid🥰

[@ArrowPr0ducti0ns]

“Bad RNG on spawn” is crazy 😂

[@Isalinn]

It is literally just about control. It's about being able to take control out of the hands of someone else. Someone expresses they do not wish to have their games hacked, and you hack their games anyway, proving they don't have a choice in the matter? Congrats. You exercised control. That's why they want streamers. They wanna see it. The effect of the control they're enforcing upon another human being. They don't care about being "good" or "bad" people, that's got nothing to do with it. It's just about finding a person, trying to do something, and putting wrenches in the wheel for that person so they cannot do what they're trying to do. This is an extremely common coping mechanism for people who lack a sense of control in their lives. It's also the main driving force behind behaviors like bullying and rape. It's just a different expression.

[@aerialdive]

The amount of subtle cheaters and cheaters who attempt to disconnect me from host to stop me gaining bloodpoints when i eacape or die has increased, and im not a streamer in their registry

[@felsics9441]

No offense but I think this genuinely is probably just an issue on your end. I don’t think subtle cheaters care enough to DC someone to deny them BP

[@HoldenMcRoin69]

I randomly get DC’d/disconnected from the internet and it’ll say DBD servers are not responding or you need an valid internet connection, it happens at the most perfect times for the other team whether I’m killer or survivor, I’ve definitely been suspicious of fowl play but after a while I’ve come to the conclusion DBD’s servers are just shiet and unreliable. Last night I had a game where my connection was spotless and my ping was 60MS but I never got hit over a vault once, next game my ping is 40MS and I’m getting hit over vault’s multiple times a game. The games connection almost NEVER feels consistent. I also am not plugged into my router so that probably is a major factor but when I did have the chance to play plugged into the router the difference was not noticeable.

[@wisteria45]

9:34 I used to be like that for a time. I didn't do this kind of thing in dbd, I was just a massive turd to all the people around me, but it still stands. You're right, it's because I had a piss childhood, and then I lost sight of my empathy and morals. After a lot of work, glad to say it's no longer the case.

[@Wumbogubbin]

As a tf2 player I am no stranger to hackers taking over my game

[@Seikazo]

I was trying to think if you meant team fortress 2 or Titanfall 2. But both check out lmao

[@Wumbogubbin]

@@Seikazo I am referring to team fortress I didn’t know Titanfall had the same problem lol

[@Seikazo]

@@Wumbogubbin yeah last i heard it was wild in titanfall, i didnt wanna get blacklisted by the hackers so i stopped playing lmao

[@terrypennington2519]

@@Wumbogubbin Same problem? The situation is way, way worse on Titanfall last I heard lol

[@thehermitwizard]

NICE SHOT MATE

[@Edellwaisblossom]

8:22 *vine boom* - *BOMBASTIC SIDE EYE* - *OH HELL NAH O HE HE HELL NAH* - *the rock eyebrow emote* - *AMOGUS IMPOSTER SOUND* - *WHAT THE DOG DOING*

[@thewickedtim]

The side doing the HUH???

[@remingtonfiore9721]

The pegging Tim, the pegging

[@Crystal_Gear]

you heard him, dont deny it lmao

[@loafus2671]

Pegging

[@ajkcool]

Pegging.

[@Kalesauce]

I use to hate cheaters. When you realize 99% of them are miserable people, it honestly just became sad. Just feel bad for them.

[@froxdo]

first dragons are taking over dave and busters now this 😢

[@Tory-JJ]

These nuts.....?

[@oodanna500]

i think we need an abnormal behavior detection in the game, not straight up banning and reporting, but if an impossible situation occurs, everyone is notified that they can dc with no penalty

[@crazychris0263]

I think the best thing BHVR could do is make it so if there are only bots left, you can DC with no penalty. This would prevent cheaters from working around any sort of detection BHVR might have to make sure that bots can move normally. This way, if the cheaters want to hold someone hostage, they would have to keep someone in the match, or stay in the match if they were cheating by themselves.

[@tyronisback5747]

I think at that point Cheaters would just immediately crash the streamers games. As in Hens’ interviews, they can just crash the steamers’ game, and therefore could block them from playing DBD with the DC penalty. They just hold them hostage because it’s funnier to them

[@ToonLinkGotT]

I think to celebrate the release of Dragon Ball sparking zero, BHVR should add Goku Black as a killer

[@ThatOneGuy5556]

I think Hens' main claim of 'taking over the game' is how little power you as a player have to leave a cheater holding you hostage and how the game mechanics/design allow them to consistently hold a player hostage for hours. For example, a cheater in R6 would not be able to waste a player's time as the match would end quite quickly, and if not there are still other measures to take yourself and/or your team out of the game so it ends. This such feature is non-existent in dbd which is lazy and pathetic from BHVR, it is such a simple 'surrender' system that allows players to leave the game after the match has elapsed for X amount of time, it would also help in petty bleedouts/body blocking situations on top of being able to prevent a cheater from holding you hostage for hours.

[@Zoulz666]

I'm a nobody average dbd player and i've been hacked several times especially when I play killer. Most common hack is when they force disconnect you as you're about to win.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

I mean, that could just be DBD servers being garbage, there's no way you can know that that is actually a person doing it unless they specifically tell you. In case you didn't know, DBD servers are garbage. It will legit DC you quite often. It happens to me at least once per session and it never happens when either side is about to win, it's usually very early on.

[@zackmash851]

they run their servers out a cardboard box, small indie company btw

[@Zoulz666]

@@WutTheDeuceGaming The servers work just fine 99.9% of the time. It's only a handful of times that i've been disconnected and it's always when i'm winning as killer. The game grinds to a halt from lag and then I get disconnected. I find that to be too big of a coincidence to not be someone hacking the game. And hackers can clearly do it. Just watch Hens video about hackers and they even say it themselves.

[@scherb428]

I remember like 2 years ago when we got a cheater epidemic and people were shitting on bhvr and claiming devs were useless etc.. then they fixed them and reduced the cheaters numbers and everyone forgot about it and took it for granted

[@fuzzels9079]

"took it for granted" ... As they should? BHVR doesn't deserve a cookie for dealing with hackers, it's literally part of being a live service, it's literally their responsibility to stop hackers.

[@billcipher147]

I feel like the same mentality applies to even some non-hackers: Players who go out of their way to make their opponents' match as miserable as possible, not even for the goal of winning, but just to ruin other people's fun. I've had the pleasure of playing against people like that on either side, and they absolutely will put themselves at a disadvantage or even throw the entire match if it means getting what they want. I checked their profiles afterwards, and some of them had upwards of 300 PAGES worth of complaints, so you just know they get off to that kinda thing. I wouldn't be surprised if those are the kinds of people that eventually end up becoming hackers, because simply annoying people with the tool the game gives you eventually becomes boring.

[@stannisthemannis8694]

Only 1 within the last year? That's actually wild Ive had 4 this last month 2 were in 1 day. It was a spirit (imagine my shock) who just teleported onto everyone and had could just hook you as soon as picked up. Also had a permanent aura billy.

[@rileyp1506]

I played a subtle speed hacker 3 days ago and haven't seen one in months

[@Duskofoolacile420]

Are you winning on that side more often?

[@adrevenue1496]

The only cheaters Ive played against just make the hook prompt go away. One was “subtle” as in she would go around a corner and teleported away, and the other one no clipped in my face.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

I don't think most people realize how many hackers there really are? TONS of subtle ones, you likely run into them quite a bit more than you think and you just...don't know? That's what it's like with other games, and dbd isn't using some advanced anti cheat systems. Everyone in these comments saying they dont see cheaters much...yes you do, you just don't know it.

[@Ronthegoat2]

Okay tell me how I would know if I seen one pls so I can keep an eye out?

[@eliasar5051]

@@Ronthegoat2 It is very hard to distinguish someone running 2% faster or repairing little faster than they should etc. for example unless you are extremely experienced. Yet even that makes massive difference in dbd.

[@ScottJund]

At the same time I've seen so many people accuse others of cheating when they literally just don't know what perks do.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

You can see speed hackers easily because they glide across the map, all you have to do is look at their feet. It's not common, I haven't seen one subtle hacker in 1K hours. I've seen two blatant cheaters. One killer that just insta downed everyone and one survivor that wouldn't allow people to die on hook, holding me hostage as Hag. I haven't seen a single subtle hacker a single time. I've had a couple guesses, but it turned about to be a perk, or just really dumb luck on a dead hard. If you think cheaters are this prevalent in this game, you're being a huge conspiracy nutjob. This game has nowhere near what I'd call a cheating problem. The problem is more than likely you thinking you are better than you are, so all you do is cry wolf whenever someone works you over.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

@@ScottJund For sure, but that's a separate issue. What I'm really trying to say is that just based on statistics we've had for other popular online games such as ban numbers, we know roughly how many cheaters there SHOULD be and likely are in a game like DBD, and how subtle cheating is super popular. Most of these people aren't doing anything you'd notice right away no matter how good you are, and the way DBD works you're never really observing anyone for long enough to be able to infer that they're using cheats regardless. So it's this big problem that nobody notices, because it's impossible TO notice. Which sucks because it's hard to convice anyone that cheating is a problem when most people cheating aren't running around like sonic the hedgehog lol. Every now and then you get someone who's bad at keeping it subtle and gives the game away, or someone who warps around and ends the match immediately, but they're outliers in other games and they're probably outliers in DBD.

[@NotTsurugi]

I feel like cheaters who target streamers do it due to a lack of feeling control in their own lives. If you think about it, it makes sense. A person who feels like they aren't in control of their life gets control over others in a videogame, and goes on power trips by having that control over others because they, themselves, have no control in reality.

[@schmambuman]

I mean surely some of them yeah. The hackers Hens talked to were Russian (you could hear them speaking Russian in the background, don't remember exactly what they were saying) and uh not exactly the best time over there right now so might look to escape to DBD cheat world

[@corban0the1]

Introduce a vote to end system in the pause menu. If there are only the killer and one survivor left it only takes one vote to end and it plays an animation of the killer killing the rest of the survivors. if there are two survivors and one killer it takes 2 to vote yes and so on and so forth. This will require the majority of the lobby to initiate the end of the match. If the killer wants to end match it plays an animation of the survivors escaping through the gate.

[@Sasquatchseattle]

"something went wrong" Actually, sometimes it's a difference in values. Personally i like cheating in single player games, because writing my own cheats is plenty fun, and puzzling out the codes architecture is a good skill to develop. I do dislike cheating on multiplayer games, but it's mostly the risk of getting banned. Otherwise I'd probably develop some programs for it and meds around with friends on a private lobby. I don't see the value in wasting other people's time, outside of finding other's frustration funny. But if i want to see that there's plenty of outlets for that where everyone has signed up for it. Dropout's game changers has multiple episodes dedicated to messing with BLeeM for example. Not to mention, among us as a more responsive way to fuck with people.

[@MegaMarxis]

It’s pretty sad actually when you think about it. They could apply these hacks to something good. Like idk a bug less match. But instead they choose the little bit of knowledge they have for hacking to make someone else’s day/game boring or miserable

[@Hellschwarz]

I'm not a streamer but I had 3 obvious hackers in the last 2 months. First was a Feng in 2v8 who hacked herself out of bonds and made the gens regress the whole time and also prevented killers from picking up slugs by healing them from afar. The second one was a legion who was running at almost 150% without being a power and the third was a wesker with wallhacks (he had no aura reading, but we had). All 3 got banned after a report. And that's only those that were so obvious that I could tell, I assume there are some other ppl who did way more subtle hacking.

[@b3helit]

I think I am familiar with the mentality of a hacker. Everyone would say attention, but that would lead to what? It would lead to them justifying their hate, in order to get sympathy, the more weirdness they were, the more they would express themselves in that manner. It’s like they’re asking for help, but no one is answering them. “Look at me, I am the most miserable guy, I am pretending to be having fun through this, and I am expressing my misery by being the worst”. But in reality, they’re suffering. They would be seeing things in society, that they don’t like, and they are in a mission of sabotaging everything in the game, in order to enlighten the things that they’re experiencing, they’re eating themselves from inside on what they’re experiencing. However, there is someone who just want to “hack” ofcourse, but for the most of those who dedicate such amount of hours, I would say there’s definitely something severely wrong.

[@genesisosuna]

I have seen some weird stuff recently, like a pyramid head running back and forth and spamming power, and a blight and doctor spamming their power as well. They were very robotic in how they moved. They were all perkless and add on less as well. Idk what that was all about, it was just very strange.

[@WutTheDeuceGaming]

Bot accounts most likely.

[@johnc8383]

Can't believe we got Scott mentioning pegging in a DBD rant video

[@10du16]

I get a shit ton of hackers when i play dbd. I mean 4 per week. Cheaters dont understand that other people have object permanence. Its like oh i walk across map to this gen its at 0 ok ill go to the other side, ooh 3 ppl and then that gen with 1 possible person is insta popped. Also line of site haste hacks. Its insane that surv hackers aren't running distortion more often.

[@NewSirenSong]

I did a small personal experiment to see how many cheaters I encounter as a mid range mmr survivor. In a sample size of about 200 games, I encountered 2 rage hacking survivors and 1 rage hacking killer. The subtle cheaters were what was way more interesting. I found around 6 total subtle cheating killers while using an iri key with blood amber to watch them counter my double backs through walls with no form of aura reading that could have revealed me. Now in truth their double backs could have just been remarkably well timed but they were usually as though we were at a loop that had no LoS blockers. I think it's most likely smart teenagers/sad adults with nothing better to do during their day.

[@NewSirenSong]

For anybody wondering as I was playing survivor it was much harder to notice one subtly cheating while I was playing for chases during that period to see what I could find! Maybe I'll do another experiment to report back.

[@Purple_Puffin]

Hey Scott guys here

[@tmoney1487]

Ive put roughly 300 hours into DBD now and ive only come across 2 hackers that i know of. Both of which got banned. One was a survivor who was legit flying around the map and doing across the map heals, they ended up just helping everyone farm bloodpoints at the end of the day. The other was a bubba that seemed to he a bit too fast when using his chainsaw. Both got reported and both got banned within 72 hours of my report.

[@NeilMarshall6]

Surprised that Scott knows the bad situation in Tarkov regarding cheaters. What a wonderful crossover.

[@ShineChromatica]

I think some content creators (and viewers) can have too narrow of a perspective on things sometimes and that can lead to these kinds of exaggerated statements, even if they mean well. Gotta say though, reading "How Hackers Are Slowly Taking Over This Game" and comparing it to what TF2 dealt with for ages kinda makes me laugh.

[@Mirrors957]

Yeah I definitely agree it boils down to how they were socialized growing up or currently socializing bc I doubt a decent chunk of these people are that old. I hate to armchair psychologist them but it could be they feel powerless in their current living situation or they could've been wronged in the past and not gotten over it so their mindset is "if have to suffer then you do too." I definitely agree its interesting to try and figure out how they got to this point where they get enjoyment from just wasting a random streamers time/ruining their stream.

[@8bitSpartan141]

Not that it would be a fix all, but a surrender option would probably help a bit

[@Nathan-hl4uq]

The cheating problem is much worse than you think it is. Blatant cheaters are a fraction in numbers compared to subtle cheaters.

[@Minronis]

And when Dead By Daylight shuts down one day, the hackers won't have fond memories to look back on but the emptiness of their sad lives to look forward to.

[@necrolord7871]

10:20 Caption of Hens video is pretty perfectly timed

[@LordArie92]

When you have no influence on your own life/insecurties, bringing others down feels like being above it

[@SandwichGamer107]

I like how you have mentioned that people that cheat like this must have had something happen to them, most likely. It's the same with most bullies. Sure what the cheaters and bullies do is not excusable and a bad thing. But yes one thing usually has led to the other for them to end like this. And most of the time people tend to forget that cheaters and bullies are also humans. Only caring for the victims. While I agree that the victim should be definitely prioritized when giving a helping hand, one must not forget about the culprit. Especially if they are at a young age. A great movie to watch that really depicts what I try to say is "A Silent Voice", where a bully has do deal with his past actions and develops a certain conscience because of it. Constantly blaming himself. Sadly in cases like these, where people are cheating in videogames, it's not easy to give them that helping hand since cheaters tend to make themselves anonymous; making it too hard to reach out to them or to make any difference at all.

[@Nolandiscool]

Scott, I dont think you understand that there are so many people who arent "socio or psychopaths" that just like to mess with others. Like I truly believe these grown men are doing this just cause they think its funny. It's as sad as it sounds unfortunately.

[@YouLikeBosch]

I remember watching daily when Ralph was going through this during the last streamhostage wave, and he'd just sit and wait it out for the 2 hours and kick it with chat. Sometimes he'd get them to give up because he wouldn't react. It's wild how predictable cheaters are. They're products of negligent parents, it's pretty much guaranteed. Hug your kids, folks. Don't let them become multiplayer game cheaters.

[@triggeredcripple8668]

Nice solution to multiple problems would be having the killer be able to DC if some amount of survivors disconnect. Would help with the cheater situation and specific boring 1v4 bot situations

[@Confused_Slime]

Hackers are only a problem for the top 1-10% of players imo

[@theformuoli6397]

They’re still around but it’s seldom these days. Had a cheater in my chaos shuffle the other night of all things, was on an auto haven map. Forget the map off hand that is shaped as a dumbbell. But TLDR, a Meg was working gens under the map, she was injured from a hatchet so she was track able to some degree for me. Heard her on a Gen, go over to her, she’s MIA, can still hear her crying, it’s a dead zone with just a gen. Turn around and she starts working it, turn around again and she’s not there. Repeats a couple times, I quit out To confirm I wasn’t crazy, someone saw them with kindred I guess doing it as well

[@motikrisis9340]

I have 5000 hours on DBD and I have only seen a blatant cheater 1 time, it is definitely not a problem for anyone not streaming

[@theformuoli6397]

@@motikrisis9340 on WC US, it used to be pretty obnoxious, I’ve definitely seen my fair share of hackers. Double killers flying me to the moon on haddonfield, flying bubbas throwing hatchets, game hostage holders, used to be a Dwight that would play late at night and would make 1,000 phead trails across the entire map and crash the server out for people. Subtle cheaters, people that fly around with turbo bright infinite flashlights, infinite flash bangs, etc etc

[@Crystal_Gear]

lets gooooooooo im in the top 10% B) ive had 3 cheaters in the past month, all of theme subtle, so i definitely disagree with your point, but i also see where your coming from. thats 3 games in like 50+ games so its not really a "problem" for me. but on the other hand, im not a ttv so yanno... it can happen to anyone

[@Lars-Liam-Vilhelm]

I have 6,400 hours, i've probably faced a grand total of 10 blatant cheaters in my entire dbd career. I've faced one subtle cheater which i could tell was hacking, if i've faced subtle cheaters more than that, then i've just been blissfully unaware and wasn't really affected by it anyhow.

[@O__OXP]

I feel like the game needs to implement things like what Rust does. When a player is detected doing something that’s impossible, tp’ing, flying, etc. they should get insta kicked and temp banned until it’s reviewed

[@Zeftro]

Definitely do an interview video with one of these guys Scott would be good content lmao

[@Fizorak]

I’ve been playing DbD since 2017, I’ve ran into quite a few hackers but have only ran into 2 hackers playing killer, but it has never been to the point they were taking over the game. I mean in the last year alone I’ve only ran into 3 hackers that I can remember

[@playa08fly]

I do believe it's a control thing. The most perturbing things usually stem around control. The sense of power. The attention they seek. Isn't it funny that a troll usually becomes the most popular person in chat (until banned) for a while by using edgy, shock tactics. They gain the negative attention, knowing they will be rejected and the cycle starts over. It makes no constructive sense. People shouldn't get a "kick" out of, or derive pleasure from negative stimuli, but I guess that's where the question is. The ones that are perpetually active. I think you hit it on the head. It's projection. An urge. It's most likely subconscious to an extent, because most of the time they'll tell you they don't know why they enjoy the nefarious. They will -confidently- tell you that they enjoy it though. It reminds me of the interview of Brad Dourif's character in Exorcist 3. If they used that energy for something positive, it would be so much better for everyone. A little behavioral health therapy --would- probably help. Fingers crossed, I guess.

[@Emmetlovesredvelvet13]

Scott, you give the hackers way too much credit.There are just some people in this world that want to watch the world burn. This especially applies to the people that hens interviewed in his video.When you can hide the behind the shield of an anonymity It is in human nature to let out all the dark and evil and vile things you hide inside. No one is immune to that temptation, not even you. They are not taking over the game, but they are still a very, very deep-seated plague in the game. Especially considering that the mindset has shifted from blatant to an emphasis on subtle. The reason you don't see it anymore is they have a list of content creators that they purposely blacklist because they know they can't get a reaction out of them. In short, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening or isn't valid And yes these people are that level of scum.

[@AlsoMeowskivich]

scott's psychological degree arc begins

[@pcodaguyoh126]

i Learned in LoL that most people who do this do it because they can make a positive diff in the game so they make a negative one instead cuz its just easier.

[@jamiegreig9699]

From someone who bullied other kids in school It's just learned behavior. They have had similar situations where they have been put down, berated, or humiliated to the point they have to believe that's how the world works. Otherwise, if that's not how the world works, then you're a victim with no control over your life. Attacking people like this reaffirms to them the world is just shitty for everyone, and they feel better about themselves. After years, decades, of unlearning this behavior I sometimes still have the sudden impulse to yell and put someone down if they bother me when I'm having a bad day. Their target is going to be someone who has aspect they have always wanted. This might be gameplay ability, the reaction they get from viewers, or just seeing look happy in general. The more they feel they're really affecting this person negatively the more they're going to push. I think you should feel sorry for them honestly. As long as this remains their outlet they will never be able to recognize opportunities to make it better (if there are any to begin with). They'll never experience the feeling of practicing over and over again to finally overcome an obstacle. It truly is sad to see.

[@imMiracuhLs]

Had to come back to this video a few hours later to say I just had a Jane speedhacking and forcing teammate escapes with gens left LOL

[@blargminton]

i have no idea what maphack for db2 is but i used the editor. so point still made

[@a_friendly_guy7629]

why do people cheat like this, why not cheat and be the scariest and most lore accurate michel myers the game has ever seen, and target ttv with it to see their funny reactions to getting scared

[@D_To_The_J]

They got slugged at the start of the game and killer just camped them until they bled out. Or bullied by flashlights and tea baggers until they cried and vowed revenge. On a serious note there are always people who play pure debuff characters in video games. It's the same personality where they prefer to and enjoy bringing others down.

[@VialofNMTears]

Bad RNG on spawn is a phrase I’m stealing. Thanks Scott

[@drayz9655]

man i remember when i had a standby button on my router as a kid lmao. saints row 1 and halo 2 was fun.

[@chattychatotchannel]

9:57 Scott a lot of people also have shitty lives and shitty parents and don’t do things like this and go on to help other people in spite of those hardships. It’s not an excuse

[@KatyaAbc575]

Adverse childhood experiences only modulate preexisting conditions, they are not the cause themselves. So its only people who are already susceptible to that kind of behaviour who get pushed into it by childhood trauma.

[@jesse3050]

2v8 was so rampant with cheaters it was my second time only ever running into one but during 2v8 it felt almost every day of a game had some hackers it was crazy

[@Alex-zp1ry]

Pretty recently getting into dbd. I’ve had 4 exploit reports come with feedback in the last week alone. At this point, Im dropping a report just to be safe. I can only say in my personal experience, cheaters seem pretty common. Worth saying I’m on EU servers.

[@unholy8652]

I used to be like the cheaters. They aren't lying when they say that they just have fun trolling people. With me, I was in a really bad place and was mentally unwell so I got a lot of fun out of trolling people and watching them react to something that I thought was insignificant and easy to deal with. So essentially I just thought people were being stupid and I liked watching people get mad. This was many years ago and I am glad to say I am no longer like this

[@yungmythologist]

Not every game is perfect enough to have a built-in cheater solution quite like Gravity.

[@Fisshy0106]

Only game I can think if that hackers "took over" was Titanfall 2. The game became actually unplayable afterwards

[@vapelordthenord8235]

rainbow six siege call of duty during 2019-2021

[@nafinbomb]

There is no advanced psychology behind this, getting reactions is funny and if I were one of these cheaters and saw you make this video I would cherish it forever akin to getting good hatemail in games.

[@regeoberon3676]

So much of the internet's anonymous problem could be unearthed by "Why do you want to be a shitty person?"

[@Orthane]

I have encountered sooooooo many cheaters. I have gotten at least 2 dozen of those pop up messages about someone I reported for Cheating being banned from BHVR and I started in Tools of Torment. They are EVERYWHERE. Subtle Cheaters in particular, where you can sort of just tell something is off when they're clearly too hard to catch, but not because they're playing tiles well.

[@Jo-shin-j7b]

Pretty much what it boils down to where they are just miserable in real life and want to take out their anger at other people to make themselves feel better about themselves (for some reason or some how) because of their god complex of having control over people

[@nooxet]

Scott needs to hire Henses editor to make some Pog edits.

[@terribleivan1475]

I’ve never gone so far as to cheat in a game, but I would generally turn up the sweat whenever someone with an obnoxious /ttv username would show up

[@techstorezombie9316]

I feel like a lot of content creators of DbD dont realize that they are content creators and dont get the typical experience that most players do.

[@nick78673]

I've reported countless cheaters without video evidence, because even subtle cheaters are fairly easy to spot when you play both sides and know how the game works, and I get so many responses that people I reported were banned. The cheats are rampant and the devs need to focus on their own anti-cheat and stop relying on EAC to cover them.

[@YingShanLT]

As someone who has cheated before in games, it's much like people who used to watch those old troll reels, like the ones from Call of Duty. Some people can naturally gain entertainment through seeing people be "trolled." Also, you have to factor in that many, many people don't view cheating as a legitimate job, so they aren't emotionally affected by stifling your income.

[@Hyde472]

Trying to think of when I've cheated. Does Crawmerax corner that they explicity didn't remove in the remaster count?

[@SanaIsGay-KpopContent]

I think for a lot of them it's an anger outlet, they aren't happy with their own lives and making other people miserable makes them feel better about themselves because they aren't on the receiving end of the negativity for once. Obviously I don't think they realise this themselves though.

[@SubxZeroGamer]

People who live in really impoverished places tend to use the internet as an escape. There's a reason why almost every cheater/hacker/scammer is from the same 4 or 5 places.

[@mrsovietbearable]

One thing I disagree about is the fact that normal players don’t encounter hackers. I have gotten 2 blatant hackers in the last month. Both times I was held hostage. I have videos and I’ve already reported them. But I’m not a streamer. I play this game a lot but not full time. Saying “normal people” playing this game won’t encounter hackers in 99% of their games is just wrong.

[@Ben_of_Milam_Music]

I also feel really bad for the DbD cheaters. There's no way someone who is in a good place in life would think of going to this sort of length just to maybe get a reaction. I commented on Hen's video asking people to pray with me for these guys, and I'll ask again here. These people need our help.

[@vengeance6801]

When you were talking about streamers just shit talking you as the killer when you played absolutely fair and well I was really happy. Nobody talks about this but it's such an issue with streamers right now. Happens literally all the time

[@xcrucialbladex3801]

10:15 Please dress up as Dr.Phil for halloween

[@eat_6429]

8:24 𝓯𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓴jund

[@Katalysti_c]

ts so funny 😂🙏 ima follow you home

[@CaptToilet]

Enter your confessions here. I cheated once in Delta Force 2. I remember using a tool that gave me an infinite grenade launcher and flight around the map. I still remember the chat in that match being very very angry. Used it for a match and then dropped it.

[@ThePowerofCutleries]

The type of cheater I see more often than any other kind are the kind that have found a way to remotely crash a server the moment the match isn't going in their favour. It doesn't happen very often, but any time it does, it's always way, way too convenient. If you've encountered it, you know exactly what I mean. Tackling this kind of cheating should be on the highest priority at BHVR, in my opinion, because finding yourself on the receiving end of winning a match only to have the server conveniently crash, receive no BP, receive no pips, is a very effective way of killing your motivation to continue playing, especially when it was hard fought, when you really feel like you earned that win.

[@knatspray]

TF2 is a great example of cheaters taking over a game, DBD is seeing average numbers at worst

[@bambiigaming1342]

here is the thing, hackers will not go after Otz or Hens due to the support they have behind the screens, if someone with 2k+ gets targeted BHVR would jump on it like there is no tomorrow, since it is about people that have just enough viewers to make a living out of without having enough viewers to put the game in a bad daylight, they will be easier targeted. it is sad that this issue has been in the game since pretty much the beginning of the game, and bhvr has done nothing to safeguard ip"s etc... it should not be up to us to buy vpn services to get rid of specific targeting...

[@sojuiceeexists]

Got a subtle speed hacker the other day

[@aulternator8614]

As a casual player for over 4 years now, I don't think I've ever encountered a cheater. And if I have, they hid it very well.

[@Nightwing-76]

I played 3 games all of which were super competitive and close I lost all but 2 of them were against hackers who only showed their hacks once they started losing which makes me question, how many games did I loss because of hackers that didn’t show their hacks? This is truly the main reason why I stopped playing killer I don’t want to have a sweaty close match only to discover I was playing against hackers

[@sethrulezify]

There are a significant number of people using xray cheats on both survivor and killer. It's hard to recognize if you don't know all the perks by heart, but I've absolutely caught 2 or 3 people every session I play. These people just think using xray cheats isn't a problem because so many perks give you aura anyway, it's not a problem to just make auras permanent. But they're 100% out there and there's a ton

[@Yerrrrrrrrrr]

Russia catching a fat stray 😭😭

[@davidatlas123]

I remember a while ago some hackers, well script kiddies really, saying that they were doing it as "revenge on bhvr" to like, "show how bad their anticheat was"(bullshit excuse), other one i remember was doing it cause bhvr banned them for hacking in cosmetics i think it was Honestly on the last point you mentioned; on a lot being russian, theres something to note there on a cultural difference that applies to most eastern countries, at least game-wise, that i remember talking with folks about this In that in those countries(russia, china, korea, etc...) winning in competitive games is 100% a "everythings valid to win" mentallity, bringing strongest strats/doing it the best you can/cheating even, hell i know on some chinese servers cheating is nearly needed because everyones doing it so you're at a literal disadvantage if you dont cheat Ofc this doesnt mean everyone and all but where we'll see 2 hooking everyone and not tunneling as "well i want a fun match for all but ill still try and win chases and all", they'll see it sensless as to, "why care about the other sides fun, you're supposed to win". Hell i remember before anticamp was included you could tell 80% of facecamping iri head Huntress/Bubbas would've been Russian before the servers divided the queues more