Winspace G2 Long-Term Review : Affordable Carbon Gravel Bike (3000 km Tested)

[@AdamRobergeCycling]

Charles Ouimet; the MKBHD of cycling.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Ahahahahahah 🚀🚀🚀😍😍😍

[@hellopsp180]

lol

[@marcustan5868]

Can't wait for your review on the winspace slc 2.0

[@CharlesOuimet]

Need more time on the bike, but it's coming :)

[@marcustan5868]

@@CharlesOuimet thanks!

[@alexjohnson6462]

Been anxiously awaiting your final thoughts on this bike. Between you and Cycling Tom who ran his Winspace G2 over an insanely rocky course, it seems this carbon frame is up to handling most any terrain.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Agreed!!

[@MsPsychotik]

Will definitely have a deep look at this bike, you're right, it's very nice to build a budget gravel bike

[@CharlesOuimet]

you should!

[@conceptclothingmedia5389]

Incredible detailed review, thanks Charles!!

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks!

[@Simancoevents]

Thanks Charles, I love your gravel bike!

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks!

[@koltface]

Great review, Charles! Funny, I got my hands on the FSA bars at Sea Otter and loved them enough to order them the next day.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks dude! Yes these bars are insane :)

[@guidojt]

Great review and I love the color!

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks!! It's a great bike

[@geraldsy]

Hey man thanks for this in-depth long term review, planning to buy this frame! This frame would remind me that if Charles can conquer the world's toughest climb, I can too!

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hell yes!! Thanks man. You'll love it!!!

[@primarottabikes]

Great content dude! Winspace rocks!

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks dude!

[@bobtahar]

That SRX Pro groupset is actually very good... I used it on my Gravel Bike. I used it with 11-46T cassette.

[@CharlesOuimet]

nice!!

[@trajtemberg]

If its good for Charles, its more than enough for me.

[@CharlesOuimet]

ahaha sounds about right!

[@Korney888]

Well well well, you gave away some points on your upcoming Hawaii ride =D Seems you made it, happy for you and looking forward for that video. BTW, I do not know if you posted it already somewhere. Regards form Germany

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks man!! Hawaii movie will be live on friday :)

[@seanism2011]

Topstone carbon with rigid fork is a do it all bike also.

[@CharlesOuimet]

also yes!!

[@julienrabier]

I assembled mine 3 weeks ago and after 600km I think a lot of good too. For the problem with the crankset, I personally installed an anti-derailment hanger just in case. You can see her in the video where I ride the bike 😉

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hell yes!!

[@bretonbedouin]

Tiens deux youtubeurs francophones que je suis et qui parlent entre eux;-) cool

[@janeblogs324]

Link to the video? How do you install one on a carbon frame?

[@julienrabier]

@@janeblogs324 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qne2ZoFpd6dqoZo

[@janeblogs324]

@@julienrabier I watched it but still couldn't see it. My specialized has a clamp mount anti derailleur under the front derailleur

[@stevenr5149]

great review. However I disagree that hydro brakes are necessary. There are great regular disc brakes that use normal cables. You can't compare bottom of the line cable brakes to premium hydro brakes. Good disc brakes are cheaper than good hydros, they perform great, and don't require mineral oil in the brake cables. Then you can maintain them yourself-easily. :)

[@alexander_sergeeevich]

Charles, tell me, please. The official representative office could not tell me the exact figures. Question: 1) Recommended(maximum) weight that can be placed on the fork on one side (there are three attachment points). 2) Mountings under the trunk. Taking into account the trunk itself and things, what weight should be guided? Thanks for the feedback!

[@trevorfields5216]

Some questions for you What is your height, inseam length? What are your thoughts on the reach, the seat angle, the HTA? Considering your height and dimensions, curious your thoughts on the geometry?

[@trevorfields5216]

@CharlesOiumet Is there internal routing for a dropper? This is a non negotiable for me. I can't get the frame unless I can get internal routing.. Other oddly specific question. I'm planning to use Shimano grx 810. 1x11 groupset. But there is an upgrade that some people use, they swap out the cassette to 11-52 Shimano m5100 cassette. Some people use a wolftooth GOAT link to accomplish this. Not sure if you've tried that? Also curious about the reach measurements for your body type/build. Do you feel like the reach was ideal for you, or too short? I tend to ride a lot of steep trails so it's an important factor.

[@fw_uke_ha]

Wouldn't a chainguard prevent you from these chainsucks?

[@nochancecw]

Watch this video enough times now. Pulled the trigger at bought one with some grapid wheels.

[@CharlesOuimet]

nice dude!!!!!

[@nochancecw]

@@CharlesOuimet used your code got 10% off too. Thanks for that.

[@CharlesOuimet]

@@nochancecw my pleasure!!

[@infinati]

You know, I really love my Winspace Hyper wheels. They really are great. But having a gravel bike that can't accept a stock Shimano GRX800 48/31 chainring seems like an HUGE design oversight. 46/31? Who even makes that? Yeah I understand we can just take the 48 off and swap in a 46 but still, not being able to run stock GRX800 chainrings is a hard pass.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Yeah I get what you mean. This trade-off is to accomodate tires up to 50mm, that's why the chainstay is a bit on the larger side. Thinking about it, maybe a 1-2mm spacer between crank and bb would give enough space right off the bat for a 48mm and avoir chain stuck.

[@jamescourier1545]

Just curious, how tall are you & what size did you go with? These frames have different sizing than most others. Thanks in advance.

[@dadama66]

Great review. I’m torn between going this route or a Marin Headlands 2.

[@haikalrahim]

So, you go for headlands or G2? I also stuck in between

[@NeonGrayEdits]

Have you had any issues with toe overlap? I have a size 45eu shoe and on my checkpoint I’m constantly hitting the front tire with my shoe.

[@CharlesOuimet]

i didnt!

[@anonymousperson8629]

Will a 700c x 50mm tire fit in the rear with a front derailluer? My experience is that a frame with short chain stays like this one will end up having a tire that size hit or rub the FD. Especially a DI2 FD.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Good question! I don't have the answer unfortunately

[@MusicByJC]

What was the frame size? How tall are you?

[@jbrearley12]

Nice review. Would a Sram axs 43/30T 2x chainrings for 12 speed work with this bike?

[@christopherchan8676]

Salut Charles, is your hex derailleur a GRX 600 or GRX 810? I have a GRX 600 groupset, you think a 11-42 cassette fits?

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hi Christopher! Mine is GRX 810 GRX 600 hads a max size of 36T unfortunately, BUT maybe you can look into a derailleur hangner extender, I think with that you'd be able to pull a bigger casette!

[@RudiDwiHartanto]

what camera do u use? these footage are so good, the color grading is top notch. Also excellent thorough review. Awesome Charles.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks man! Filmed with a Sony A7Riii or gopro9

[@PhiyackYuh]

Size small max tyre clearance is only up to 35c? Not 45c? Did i hear that correctly?

[@CharlesOuimet]

XS size is 35mm, small is 50mm

[@Swanstanley]

I really fancy one of these frame sets , but having problems with sizing info . I’m 6ft and ride a 58cm , but can only see Winspace doing large at around 54 cm . What am I missing ?

[@CharlesOuimet]

it awesome! but yeah I can't really help you with sizing, I'm not aware of the large/xlarge frame as I ride a small :p

[@bugsygoo]

I'm also 6ft and was perplexed by this also. But, if you are still looking, I talked to their customer service and apparently the bike for 6ft rider is the medium. I don't know how they work out their sizing but it certainly isn't how the rest of us do it!

[@gauthierperrod4958]

Do you see such a difference between a endurance road bike with big tires (Roubaix / defy ...) and a real gravel ? And for racing it seems like they tend to use road big with big tires (a venge winned a major American endurance gravel race if I'm not wrong )

[@CharlesOuimet]

Good question! I think it depends on the course. Some with hardpack most of the way will be better on a roadbike with big tires, but some gravel races NEED the bigger tires, flared bars. Also gravel races are often 8+ hours, so a more relaxed geo is definitely worth it over an agressive fit. Roubaix and defy dont have the clearance for 40mm tires I think, which is a great tire choice

[@CharlesOuimet]

the lower BB also makes it more stable

[@rohanferrao1988]

Hi Charles!! Thanks for the excellent review. Do you think if you had installed the grx cranks you would not have the chain getting stuck problem? I believe the grx crankset has 49.7mm chainline whereas FSA have standard road 43.7mm??

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thank you man!! Hummm I have no idea about those chainline mesurements. Can't help you with that one :(

[@hydrodynamism]

Salut @charlesOuimet, je reconnais le mont royal (avec les spots rebelles). J'aimerais bien le voir ton vélo, fait mois savoir quand tu retourne au mont royal si tu veux de la compagnie,

[@Buck2901]

Hey Charles, great stuff you're doing. How much would a budget vs GRX build cost, approximately?

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks!! I budget 3000$, mid range 4500, high end 5500 😅

[@MrAidanturvey]

Where's the slc 2.0 review?

[@CharlesOuimet]

I need way more mileage on the bike before a review :)

[@MrAidanturvey]

@@CharlesOuimet fair enough. Excited to hear your thoughts! I think that bike has alot of potential but flys under the radar because it isn't aero.

[@geraldsy]

Hey just wanted to ask if winspace g2 is better than a FACTOR LS bike frame? I am torn with these two? I hope you can reply hehe

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hey! Price wise, the factor is 2000$ more :o a bit more agressive geometry than the G2, but definitely less versatile!

[@sham2613]

Winspace doesn't really do a CX bike, do you think the G2 be ok for that

[@CharlesOuimet]

it will be fine, but not competitive !

[@Yarooney]

Did you do any facing when building up the bike, Charles?

[@CharlesOuimet]

I did not!

[@jmichaelguay]

Are you riding GRX 810 with a 11-42 direct? or do you have a goatlink?

[@CharlesOuimet]

No goatlink, it fits great!

[@jimhrycuik8222]

So what did it cost you in Canadian dollars complete the way you like it?

[@CharlesOuimet]

that's a 3500-4000$ CAD build

[@kevjay-med1225]

Hey Charles I'm a big fan. I'm planning on picking up a frame next time they have a sale (like black Friday) and am worried about crankset clearance. On the site they do have a picture of a bike with a 50/34 compact crankset which I'd like to use (I have an old Ultegra crank lying around) but from hearing about your difficulties with 48t I'm worried it won't even fit. Do you think it's possible to run a 50/34 compact crankset?

[@advsh2044]

Hi Man thanks for the nice review video, I'm planning to used it as a road bike too and wondering if I use 28/30mm tires, will it be as responsive as endurance road bike ?

[@CharlesOuimet]

yes it will perform just like any endurance bike! Great choice

[@advsh2044]

@@CharlesOuimet thx for the answer! Good to hear that

[@MrEdgemoulic]

Charles I’ve been eyeing for this frame. I live in Montreal as well and planning to join the Big Red Gravel next year, which thinking me of getting this frame. Do you have a link for the handlebar that you use on it. Merci

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hey! Nice that's awesome. Very good frameset, you'll love it :) I don't have any link or discount with FSA, they are just a friend of the channel. You can it directly from the fsashop website

[@monty2078]

Hi Charles, Gr8 review. I am wondering about your Ultegra set up in that I run a 50/34 with an RX derailleur which easily handles an 11/40 cassette; wondering why yours wouldn't. I have this set up on an excellenf all road bike made in Quebec, a T-labs titanium. Check them out.

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks Monty! The 32-32t was fine for quebec, but as you will see in the Hawaii movie releasing this friday, I NEEDED easier gears. This is why I went with GRX RD and 11-42 cassette!

[@biglegcatluvr]

Charles do you have a long term review of that Sensah set you copped last year?

[@CharlesOuimet]

I don't unfortunately, I haven't ridden the bike enough since my garneau frame was cracked. But I now have a new frame to build on a budget and will put the sensah on it

[@biglegcatluvr]

@@CharlesOuimet Pas de probleme Charles, just curious as I recently got one for a budget build and wanted some more reviews, specifically on the finicky FD. Also, I am going to be moving to Montreal early next year some time, any suggestions on longer, uninterrupted routes around the city or outside the city?

[@bretonbedouin]

Salut Charles, I am interested in buying a G2 but I am not a good mecanician to build it by myself;-( I am from Montreal as well. Can IBike shop in Montreal still build Winspace bike? Or it was a favor they did to you/ people they know? I was thinking about a Decathlon Triban gravel c520 for a cheaper price but of course not the same frame quality/ Alu VS carbon. I love how versatile the G2 is (new baby coming;) and I will need to install a baby seat in the back)

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hey Romain, G2 is a beast of a bike. Wouldn't really trust that Decathlon bike for extreme gravel ahah. Winspace sell the complete build kit on their site, I'd suggest that if you are on a budget. (currenlty out of stock) www.winspace.cc/g2-gravel-built-up-kit.html But yeah Ibike would be happy to build the bike, if you have all your parts, which is not an easy task at the moment. So that decathlon bike already built is for sure less of an headache

[@bretonbedouin]

@@CharlesOuimet merci Charles pour ton avis! At the moment indeed no groupset/kit is available on Winspace website as well. Décathlon will be a good start for my 1st Gravel bike.

[@refinedmoment_]

What a bike!!

[@CharlesOuimet]

I love it!!

[@PhiyackYuh]

Would 46/33 works on this?

[@CharlesOuimet]

yes!

[@edwan9288]

Thanks for the video Charles, very informative and thorough. I am also looking to get this frame. How tall are you? What size did you get?

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks Ed! Oh yeah I never mentionned that oups XD I am 170cm5'6 and got the G2 in small with 100mm stem fully slammed ( just the crown no spacers)

[@edwan9288]

@@CharlesOuimet I am also 5'6", long torso, short legs and was wondering if i get a XS or a S. This gives better idea, since you even got the 100 mm stem!

[@CharlesOuimet]

@@edwan9288 you should go with small and shorter stem to have tires up to 50mm. The XS frame goes only to 35mm!

[@catirri]

Weight ?

[@edwan9288]

@@catirri My weight? I'm 140 lbs

[@rickcski8082]

1st comment. If you can't break it Charles, give it to me and I'll have a go.

[@CharlesOuimet]

ahahaha :p

[@HAL9OOOTUBE]

Hey Charles, I'm using a 48/31 grx crank and with the 31 gear the chain is way too close to the chainstays, have you found a solution to this?

[@CharlesOuimet]

Hey man! maybe add a 1mm-2mm space between the crank and the bottom bracket?

[@Spiller333]

Sorry anything over 1k is not in my budget. 580.00 on a giant talon is my limit. Love your show thou. 👍🔥

[@CharlesOuimet]

Thanks man!!

[@Pshpshpshpshpshpshpsh]

Me being a 1x rider: you know that wouldn’t had happened if you were running a 1x 😆

[@CharlesOuimet]

true!! ahah

[@timholmes7964]

But then your limited to 42 teeth up front which is very limiting on the fast paved rides.

[@hensemzp1]

Hi. Did you install a grx 810 or 812 rear derailleur?

[@CharlesOuimet]

812!

[@78nikh]

@@CharlesOuimet Can you run it with 2x setup smoothly? I read in Shimano's website 812 is for 1x setup only. Did you make any modification on it?