Who Wins? StarCraft 1 TERRAN vs StarCraft 2 PROTOSS

[@WinterStarcraft]

Info on how to play the game mode & the discord info in description! Which matchup should I cast next? I wouldn't mind seeing some queens in their prime...

[@talim8147]

ZvZ between Sc1 and Sc2 would be hillarious!

[@joshmartin5537]

This is fun! Would love to see more no matter the match up

[@mileskoester5395]

Hoopty doopty doo da!!!

[@marinav3905]

OG Brenda, please!!!

[@TodorKolev]

Are mirror matches possible in this mod? Those would be insane.

[@caerei]

Hey! We're really happy that you've decided to cast games of our mod. We're extremely excited for the GSL/ASL tournament coming up and we're working really hard to spruce up the mod for that. We're currently working on several models right now as well as several major balance changes that will all hopefully make it into the next update in time for the tournament, so please stay tuned. 🐢

[@drizzelschissel208]

Hey sorry, but can you explain how i can make 1 Person play a sc1 Version of a race and another Person play a sc2 Version in the same game? Whenever i initiate the Mod as it says in the description all players automatically play sc1 races

[@rtnmxh6457]

@@drizzelschissel208 The description in this video is wrong. You choose SC: Evo Complete Legacy, and you only play the game as SC1 Races. The race you picked would automatically be converted to an SC1 equivalent. But choose SC: Evo Complete, and you have the option to choose between BW and SC2. Please enjoy.

[@Thulgore]

Congrats on pointing out how stupid Blizzard has been. This mod looks absolutely amazing!! (edit: Blizzard has been dead for over a decade, I do love seeing people turn their product into something so much better though)

[@byronswain7569]

Thank you for making this!

[@stellarsphere4543]

Your mod rocks!

[@kaiser2261]

protoss: "widow mine imba" spidermine: "hold my beer"

[@reishiki8682]

Ah, hearing the Marine Gauss Rifles have their SC1 sound effect brings tears to my eyes, along with the Arclite Siege Tank sound effect.

[@shize9ine]

So nostalgic. Brought back some feels.

[@miza6]

Right? Those first marines on that probe. And the old seige tank is way more metal.

[@boriboribo]

​@@miza6Everything sounded better in Sc1. The Archons inSc2 are a JOKE , compared to the monstrous voice of the old Archon.

[@116th]

Did they change the sounds in the remaster? I'm not trying to fight. I'm genuinely curious if they changed the SFX. Are we not able to go back in time to play BW in current time?

[@miza6]

@@116th not sure about the remaster vs the original original, in my brain they sound the same but at this point that’s an unreliable witness

[@ronbaldwin5337]

Sound design in StarCraft 1 is still GOAT The sound of those siege tanks unlocked some memories 👍

[@geuros]

I hoped I will hear some ghosts too, they had the coolest sounds

[@MaybeTiberius]

omparing them to sc2 siege tanks the sound makes no sense. like why do they make a ''phhiiiiuuuuuu'' sound? its like when movies make arrows shot by a bow make sound like the pphiiiiuuuuuu through the air. like have you ever heard a real arrow? arrows dont make those sounds at all.

[@vincent78433]

bro the sound of spider mines borrowing is so grating it hurts!

[@numa_kai]

15:17 lol, the spidermines that didn't detonate jumped XD Gawdayumn these sounds. So good. It makes a grown man cry

[@nelligekim]

The original Starcraft unit sounds are so much better. I think about how awesome and terrifying the Ultralisk sounded in SC1 and how they replaced its roars in SC2 with... scissors snipping.

[@chloesmith4065]

LMAO agreed the little "shhnk, shnck" sound ultras make in sc2 is super lame

[@JoeMustache321]

missed opportunity by mini to not use a dark archon to mind control an SCV and build his own siege tanks D:

[@LucianDevine]

We need to see Dark Archons vs Infestors! The Zerg swaps to Protoss as the Protoss swaps to Zerg!

[@Popikawaii]

@@LucianDevine Ayyy, MC Archon to then MC a probe, dropalard picks it up and runs away

[@Poputrash]

It is really cool, yes. But being realistic, it's better to take the tanks directly. Workers get killed immediately, and DA even faster, since the lose their shields. Now if Ghosts had the Nova ability "Domination" it'll be a full clown fiesta on the battlefield

[@Popikawaii]

@@Poputrash Hmm, I do remember shuttle drop DA and stealing workers. But to be even more realistic, it's better to first spell the marines so they can't move/attack

[@kurtzmann22]

dark archons would probably be pretty good with feedback and maelstrom abilities, as mind control completely depletes their shields. if dark archon play becomes a thing in these vids then the build def requires a shield battery

[@arandomperson8336]

Winter casts the dream I had but was too timid to ever admit to.

[@caerei]

A few corrections. Evo Complete is a really broad mod that anyone can use for their own purposes, the SC1 vs SC2 mod is only one form of Evo Complete from us. Probes do not trigger spider mines, and neither do reapers, archons, disruptors, sentries, other workers, or high templar. The resource amounts and gather rates vary by map.

[@thewealthofnations4827]

Who are you and what drives you? You are adding weight to my argument this game is experiencing a renaissance, a golden era. Tell us the story of this mod, please.

[@caerei]

@@thewealthofnations4827 We wanted to remake BroodWar. Hope that was helpful.

[@thewealthofnations4827]

@caerei yes but who pays you, how big is your team? How did you achieve this feat? Where can I read more about you?

[@axelmolina1031]

Now I want to see... Flash of SC1 vs Maru of SC2 duke it out

[@eldiablo1467]

Let's see Lava playing with his feet vs Reynor and Clem.

[@lvo9197]

HERO VS BISU AND DARK VS JAEDONG!!!!!

[@wilkinlow]

@@lvo9197one can only dream.

[@Superaccel]

Should be the First Terran Emperor vs the current reigning Terran Emperor. SlayerS_Boxer vs Maru!

[@chloesmith4065]

serral with sc1 defilers

[@LordEvilreaver]

It's neat seeing the SC2 players misjudging the SC1 armies at first before turning it around. the longer games have better drama and mobility too

[@Burred11]

So as I see it, SC2 factions have more mobility and more unites, meaning they have a tactical advantage, but SC1 unites are just really bulky and deadly in comparison.

[@Brainth_1780]

Feels about right for the identity of both games!

[@steffensimon2949]

Game 1 I agree, but game 2 looked like the Protoss units are bulky, but way weaker (that coursair vs the Raven lol). Arbiters however, seem to be a cheaper and better than a sc2 mothership.

[@GaeBoIg]

@@steffensimon2949 Stasis was and again is just insane, if you could hit 1-3 decent stasis, you more often than not won the game. Locking down like 10+ supply per cast for 50 seconds is terrifying. Also I think a lot of the deceptive power of sc1 armies comes from their "supply" efficiency more than sometimes better base stats. Tanks/Hydralisk/Ultra/Ghost are all 1 (ultra 2) supply cheaper which makes them really supply efficient. Prolly never gonna see sc1 ghosts vs zerg though ;)

[@yaboykirby7789]

@@steffensimon2949 BW Zealots are stronger than SC2 Zealots, BW Dragoons are stronger than stalkers, BW High Templar is stronger than SC2 High templar. For the rest of the units I'm not sure but those units are just objectively better (except for pathfinding) imho Corsairs shoot very quickly but deal very little damage, they do this damage in an aoe. They are really good against Mutalisks but that's about it. There's a similar Terran unit called the Valkyrie that shoots 20 or so very low damage projectiles at once. Valkyries are decent against Wraiths but they are also almost always just used against Mutalisks.

[@Zslone2]

Man watching a reaver drop in SC2 graphics was insane to see the amount of damage those can cause. I can't wait to see the show match now, and I hope you can end up giving us a cast of it.

[@tabula_rosa]

careful, dont say that too loud or the balance council will nerf the reaver in SC1 so only terran can have good drops

[@reishiki8682]

​@@tabula_rosaFunny thing is, there's already multiple builds to counter Reaver drops. Namely the 5-Factory timing push where you mass up your mech and head for their natural before the drops come in, the faster 3-Factory timing where you're Vulture-heavy but hit before the reaver is made, or build a Wraith

[@tabula_rosa]

@@reishiki8682 yeah but if the enemy does drop a reaver in your main they might oneshot an SCV and only terran is allowed to do that

[@reishiki8682]

​@@tabula_rosaIt's only threatening here because the scarabs "don't dud" like in BW lol.

[@berengerchristy6256]

@@reishiki8682 to my untrained eye it seems like the SC1 units are benefiting pretty hard from the greatly improved SC2 engine. I wonder if it is at all possible to impose the brood war/SC1 remaster restrictions on the SC1 races in this mod? in general it also seems like the SC1 units hit harder

[@elgar7252]

Creator refusing to build a Starport in game 1 man, killing meeeeee Also I really like how the Skytoss units felt beefier outside of shields. They have more of their HP in the hull itself which makes more sense. Something to learn from maybe when balancing for Ghost EMPs in PvT for SC2 maybe?

[@reishiki8682]

Only because the other races' anti-air fliers suck (they're stationary compared to the Phoenix being able to do moving shots, Mutas haven't been good for so long that BW Mutas look at them in contempt)

[@pamsp]

Right? ForGG had like 2 units that shooted up, 4 tempests could have wiped out that entire tank army

[@TomFranklinX]

@@pamsp An air switch wouldn't work very well as ForGG could switch his factories to goliath production on a dime.

[@pamsp]

@@TomFranklinX my memory might be a bit murky, but I think goliath suck really hard. Like, they pack a punch, but die super quickly.

[@TomFranklinX]

@@pamsp Goliath has 125hp if I remember (Checked the wiki, that is correct)

[@Nil-js4bf]

ForGG, that's a nostalgic name. Never heard of this mod before, really cool that they're doing an official show match of it.

[@Fanaro]

Kudos to the guys balancing this thing out. Sounds like a nightmare.

[@Jomster777]

Yeah, it seems to be Terran-favored in most ways

[@JoshButterballs]

no, pros have proven sc1 terran loses to rush and early pressure 17/18 times

[@GameMiestro]

I've watched some of these SC1 vs SC2 games played by some of the Korean pros and it really seems like Marine+Medic is an absolute menace against a lot of the SC2 races... their raw DPS output is just as crazy powerful as it was in SC1, it's so much easier to micro a giant infantry deathball in the SC2 engine and they can keep up with the generally higher mobility that that SC2 races tend to have compared to the originals. Not only that, the SC2 races don't really have the same level of AOE infantry murdering abilities like SC1 Psi-storm, Spider Mines and Dark Swarm. I'm not saying this in any way makes SC1 Terran overpowered (it definitely doesn't feel like that at all) but it would be really interesting to see if this sort of unit dynamic pushes SC1 infantry to be a much more commonly used unit base alongside support like Wraiths or Battlecruisers than it ever was in the original.

[@knivesoutcatchdamouse2137]

I mean, SC BW Terran is definitely OP against any of the SC2 races in this mod. But in the context of just the SC BW races, you're right that Terran is relatively balanced (the balance is BW is generally better than SC2 imo).

[@chloesmith4065]

No combat shield though :P

[@unclenchasbestos]

I mean, I believe that sc1 marine medic looks effective, but .. "there's a lack of AOE in SC2" is, uh, quite a take. You should check in with Team Baneling/collosus on that one. They definitely added more splash units in the sequel!

[@LucianDevine]

Home defense tank from the SC1 Terran. The more things change, the more they stay the same! Loved the video, PLEASE do more of these!

[@LoneAidenPryde]

Honestly this is one of my favourite starcraft videos in the last couple years. The nostalgia is overwhelming lol

[@alanevans5353]

fact that this exists means I can play with my favorite units (Firebats, Goliaths, Dragoons, Etc.) so this is super cool!

[@tabula_rosa]

you should cover the hardcore mod some time, it has a community that does mostly vs AI but i also see them do pvp sometimes, if you ask them in their discord im sure they can throw together an interesting match for you. its the closest to the opening cinematics ive ever seen SC be edit: also the mod does stuff with sound that i didnt think was possible in SC2. hearing your teammate pounding the enemy base into dust from across the map while you're looking at your own base bc the modmaker somehow implemented distant gunfire is next level

[@Alex-jv6ye]

Interesting concept. Think there is still some balancing needed. Feels like they tried to balance the units by specs, but one of the reasons why SC1 units are so strong is because the pathing sucks. You don’t see units tripping on themselves like you do in brood war.

[@BlankeeStarcraft]

This, 💯 vultures are terrifying with better AI, especially the speed with which they plant mines now.

[@SteffanBoodhoo]

This is SO cool, I definitely want to see more matches, especially if you cover some of the tournaments

[@balanceofjudgement4282]

This feels completely fresh and I am absolutely interested in seeing more games of this type!

[@friendlypunk8975]

Sc1Zerg vs Sc2 Zerg would be fun to see, maybe we’d get to see the OG cracklings and banelings face off

[@morksofine7694]

Bro ive never commented in the 100+ vids ive watched of yours, please do more casts of this its super interesting

[@Brainth_1780]

We need more of this! This is such a great idea, hope it gets famous on NA as well!

[@chloesmith4065]

I played a few matches last night, it's pretty good. Try a few 2v2 AI games or archon mode to get used to it. There are some new units added to the BW races too... Sc1 Terran has a "stinger" vehicle that can shoot while moving, for example...

[@Sorenzo]

The SC1 siege-up sound really was a key component of any SC1 Terran victory.

[@AshunPhubu]

I can already hear Protoss and Zergs crying “vultures imba, spider mines imba… PLS NERF!” 😂

[@cataliniancu5318]

Considering a hellion is more expensive and much worse, it's understandable. But the vulture was there to cover for some fatal weaknesses. I wonder if those weaknesses are still there in the new engine.

[@benismann]

Wow the first game was just even more painful than the usual TvP! What an achievement!

[@RyanPassek]

Very surprised that you didnt see any science vessels in the first match. Defensive matrix was so broken. Perhaps they nerfed it.

[@reishiki8682]

Not like P had any unit that needed it. No Templars for PsiStorm and most importantly, no Arbiters.

[@sleepisgood2936]

the zealot attack sound and death sound with the siege mode are sooooooo nostalgic

[@jerryharris6342]

OMG! Broodwar 26 years old. That's half my lifetime ago. Great commentary, Winter.

[@Piercing-the-Veil]

Dude's old as dirt

[@jerryharris6342]

@@Piercing-the-Veil Yep.

[@EsperTripL]

This is a really interesting idea and neat to see on your channel! I would be interested in seeing both Brood War Zerg against any race and some cross game mirror matchups - Brood War Terran vs SC2 Terran would be dope.

[@reishiki8682]

The only advantage SC2 Terran would have is faster drops due to the Medivac boost... but BW Terran has Goliaths which outrange Cyclones when attacking air

[@azkarion4431]

Now this is content you will never get bored of. Amazing work hopefully this will bring back old pros that moved to BW

[@matthewgabayan1900]

Seeing that reaver hit into the mineral line was like experiencing PTSD. 😂

[@Malcolmxkaito]

Love this content need more sc1 vs sc2 stuff made it fun watching in a very long time

[@jorgereyes3110]

The not storming the vikings at 41:23 was painful 😂 still way better than I could do of course

[@MrMcSnuffyFluffy]

This is great to watch. Hopefully it becomes popular.

[@theookamikit]

Super excited you are casting the crossover series! I would love to see more of these! "Brenda! We can fly again!!!"

[@ryanaegis3544]

Watching the Reavers makes me so happy. All the impotence of Disruptors, all the frustration, years of whiffing, and the Reaver just calmly obliterates everything!

[@sirerdovain1790]

This opens up some interesting matchups, I'd love to see more!

[@landonlecoq5660]

I can see a best of 5 series between 2 people alternating between old vs old, new vs old, old vs new, new vs new, and then the players can each choose (independently ahead of time) whether they want the old or the new race for game 5 if it goes down to it.

[@natecraver6362]

6:11 eesh, and I thought widow mines were bad lol. Also, THIS IS AMAZING, it would be awesome if you could cast more games of SC1 vs SC2, just to see what all the different races can do.

[@TimmyInTarky]

I am not even minute into the game and I am already captivated! AMAZING! I WANT MORE OF THIS!

[@tycus1]

This was super cool. Had a lot of fun watching it. Please do another!!

[@mgreen1003]

Dude that track you use for the Fusion Core is such a good choice. You rock!

[@ryanaegis3544]

It is caled Lighting the Beacons, from The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the king soundtrack. Also commonly referred to as The Beacons are Lit, Goondor Calls for Aid, and Hope is Kindled.

[@lorehound480]

this is sick, I'd love to see more from this!

[@FrassesKott]

why does he look like kevin spacey and why is he weird?

[@milodon316]

the shooting sound of sc1 marines is so cathartic.

[@sticksbender4057]

5:20 I think what happened is the spider mines won’t get up on probes, but once something else triggers them to get up they’ll aggro on probes

[@itranscendencei7964]

I take back everything I've ever said about Widow Mines. Spider Mines are SO busted in this. XD

[@skiesofarcadia4885]

Would LOVE to see more of this mod! Even just seeing modern SC1 graphics is very cool

[@numa_kai]

FINALLY! I was waiting for this to be covered

[@AC-Klima]

I would love to see some more of this mode. Never saw the old races.

[@bratackthecreator]

Sweet idea can't wait to see more of it

[@lorddryp]

This is amazing! Those classic SC1 units are great!

[@pignonMZ6]

Seeing the OGS tag makes me somewhat nostalgic, loved that team, the hype when MC or NaDa were playing Code S...

[@raycomandertony]

Omg this is so much more entertaining to watch!! Keep it up

[@Handle35667]

Was nice to see Terran played properly after watching Artois sh8t all over himself vs. a diamond sc2 player

[@Bhs1867]

I love this!! More games like this please. Seeing sc1 v 2 is so fun!

[@garnetg987]

This mod is a lot of fun. Been playing it ever since I saw it showcased elsewhere a week or so ago.

[@byronswain7569]

Nice! This is great. I like mashing the two formats together.

[@fenrissilverfang8419]

I wish ported sc1 factions (terran, protoss and zerg) would be brought in line balance wise with the sc2 ones and join the roster as fully playable, officially that is. They are distinct enough due to having access to a few unique units while lacking others. Guardians, scouts, arbiters, valkyries, firebats, etc. Was always hoping that we'd get hybrids (amon) as the 4th faction but that never happened.

[@reishiki8682]

Lol, P & Z would outright complain when Wraiths and their Mutalisk-tier of micro and wreaks havoc on their early game. Unlike Vikings, 2 Starport mass Wraith builds are viable nowadays.

[@Appletank8]

@@reishiki8682 Can't Banshees kinda do the same thing? But like, does 3 times more damage. No AA for sure, but a Banshee and a Viking combined probably comparable to 2 wraiths.

[@reishiki8682]

​@@Appletank8Their mobility makes them the better pick, and can attack ground & air. Clearly you've never tried moving shots before

[@JohnSmith-nc9ep]

This is exactly what the game needed! More of this please!!

[@juny9445]

Waw,this is really exciting,this should be put as a tournament

[@vitorh3568]

Oho~ I have been waiting to see SC1 Terran in SC2 ! Hope seeing next SC1 Terran vs Zerg. The classic and best matchup! xD

[@konstantinalpatov1221]

Imagine team matches with mixed compositions of SC1 and SC2 races. A completely new game indeed looking as SC3. Never liked mods, but this one looks different. Thanks for highlighting this Winter! And thanks to the mods. Terrific idea and implementation.

[@Sorenzo]

I love this mod. It's so interesting to see different sort of "load outs" for the same race.

[@chloesmith4065]

other rts have this and the LotV campaign does too. I like the idea as well.

[@therealshug]

38:18 skyrocketing... i wanted to let you know that this pun made me laugh, lol. very clever

[@JTheoryScience]

11:00 doesnt the spacebar take you to the most recent event, such as a nuke, or an orbital scan?

[@JoeMustache321]

i love it, would love to see a match with BW zerg

[@chloesmith4065]

Creep colonies 😅

[@Azrael178]

It seems to me like sc1 units are actually faster on average than sc2 units, but they just seem slow in brood war since half the time they run in circles instead of where they are supposed to go

[@chloesmith4065]

Vultures are overturned I think, they're very strong in the sc2 campaign and co-op

[@SindarinElealar]

I notice that BW Carriers don't work like authentic BW Carriers: in old BW, Carrier Interceptions once launched used to tail the Carrier if you moved them away (and recalled from a far further distance) meaning you could launch them all at once instead of slow launching every fight like here.

[@lellowranger]

This is the coolest idea ever, perfect execution. thanks for casting it!

[@Thebadman8817]

We need more of this!

[@dasmowenator]

Ahhh that's the stuff! Can we please get the classic StarCraft music in every cast from now on???

[@ParTwoSR]

This is really cool, would love to see more

[@TankieBoi]

Arbiter, everyone's favorite 350 health caster 🤣

[@TankieBoi]

Dark Archons were definitely the play in Game 2, stealing away those valuable battlecruisers while the arbiters stasis the thors would have been devastating

[@kurtzmann22]

corsairs actually might have been viable as well given how big thors are: d web them/stasis definitely better option than using the recall inside the terran base

[@rax3624]

This was pretty awesome, hope we get more!

[@fable4813]

Please show some more of these matches!

[@samkang9346]

I think it’s funny how no one has made this mode until 14 years after this game was made. I always have thought it would be cool to have a mode like this and I bet many other people thought the same. I’m so glad now it’s a reality!!!

[@shize9ine]

43:28 - would the pro strat be to launch interceptors and start attacking the empty assimilator so they're on the field for when the stasis ends?

[@svovy5358]

11:47 One of my favorite lines in all of Starcraft commentary

[@llllIIlIlI]

How do you pay this mod? I tried to make sc evo complete and it wouldn't let me change between SC1 and sc2

[@marionicolais3024]

So cruel, Winter! I AM THAT OLD! I remember when Brood War came out. One of my best friend's in college had to throw away the CD (yeah) in order to graduate on time.

[@herenowatthemoment]

This is the steam pack the game needed to attack our Starcraft KZbin feed.

[@xardiodrack1798]

More of that pls as a big fan of brood war its so intresting to watch

[@leafykille]

Definitely want to see more of this!

[@soldier22881]

thumbnail is a sc2 terran battle cruiser vs 2 starcarft 1 protoss carriers.... also that first game was awsome. beautiful vulture tank combo

[@soldier22881]

oh the thumbnail is for the second match my b

[@tacticianmatt3791]

I would LOVE more of these casts!

[@gamesgo6724]

What is the music on the start? Keep hearing it everywhere and cant find it.

[@gustavomolinari7522]

Winter, thanks so much for bringing this. I think I've watched every SC EVOC in your channel. In game one, why did the protoss did not go mass immortals? On the second game, protoss could have a better chance with dark archon and mind control on the expensive units, like the Thor and the BC.

[@samulemichlemichle4419]

Thank you I needed this. My wild imagination coming true

[@Armanenn]

I think this is the best ive seen in a long time.

[@Jungleehunter1330]

If you like this and dont mind sc1 graphics, check out Cosmonarchy!! An excellent reimagining of brood war, the mod features many technical fixes, tons of new units, and a fresh take on the franchise :)

[@Raymondstu]

Ive always loved SC1 marines and siege tank units, the animation, sounds, and chubby operator :D

[@MaxPrime117]

25:24 ROFL to his comment, but o so accurate. Great video, great mod, these are awesome to see.

[@stalwart56k]

I love the SC1 music and sounds so much! More nostalgia in this mod than an episode of Star Trek the Next Generation ^_^