IIM VS Non-IIM Employees: Does Degree Matter After 5 Years?

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Wint Wealth

Wint Wealth

Күн бұрын

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@GauravSharma-si8fg
@GauravSharma-si8fg Ай бұрын
Hey guys, I am one of the Non-IIM guys in this video. One correction, I am from SIMS Pune and not SIBM
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
Sir Defence college one ????? Wow sir ??
@omkarthombare4826
@omkarthombare4826 Ай бұрын
​@@GauravSharma-si8fg Hello Gaurav, could you please tell what kind of skills and qualities helped you grow your salary soo much ? Both soft skills and hard skills Thank you 😊
@ramarambo23457
@ramarambo23457 Ай бұрын
Hey nobody cares about an MBA!!😂😂
@Proooooooyytrtgbh2479
@Proooooooyytrtgbh2479 Ай бұрын
​@@parasummaryykhadki wala?
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
@@ramarambo23457 that's why you are in the comments section secretly watching MBAs how they are successful
@rohitramchandani6165
@rohitramchandani6165 Ай бұрын
Next video - MBA vs Non MBA This is important for people to decide whether they need an mba or not
@aaryanganglas
@aaryanganglas Ай бұрын
There are already enough videos out there, short verdict is if it's not a top IIM or ISB or someother foreign big college, else it's a waste of money
@POWEROFSCUBE
@POWEROFSCUBE Ай бұрын
​@@aaryanganglaswrong
@rohitramchandani6165
@rohitramchandani6165 Ай бұрын
@@aaryanganglas there are enough videos for all topics anyway, these guys give better insights and bring better people, much more aspirational content
@Rishi-gl3kf
@Rishi-gl3kf Ай бұрын
Highly recommend doing MBA vs NON MBA
@balaganesharuna5109
@balaganesharuna5109 Ай бұрын
Guys please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to generalize IIM guys. But, what I observed is that the Non-IIM guys in this video seem more humble and composed.
@vinitasharoldsilva
@vinitasharoldsilva Ай бұрын
I wish you well!! The quality of content generated on this channel is interesting and this is definitely a value add!!
@normalchannel2185
@normalchannel2185 Ай бұрын
College decides your Y intercept. You decide your slope
@bond______jamesbond3589
@bond______jamesbond3589 29 күн бұрын
Wow , noice insight
@normalchannel2185
@normalchannel2185 29 күн бұрын
@@bond______jamesbond3589 Not mine. Its afterboard's
@aashishtiwari8730
@aashishtiwari8730 17 күн бұрын
aadhe log nhi smjh payenge dost... atleast say tan theta 😂
@h617-tf8dp
@h617-tf8dp 12 күн бұрын
Wah wah
@paramshah7383
@paramshah7383 Ай бұрын
Thank you for bringing such conversations to public, true value add, and so beautifully edited 🙂
@kashhelp2372
@kashhelp2372 29 күн бұрын
Lovely....after 5-7 years of passing out from IIM and Non- IIM ...life's journey takes a front seat rather than your salary or role....its the life's lessons that we learn and stay with us
@swathigopal4253
@swathigopal4253 Ай бұрын
I dont comment on youtube or any platform...but i would suggest if u wanna get to the ground reality of MBA and importance of brand in clg...u have to invite people from non famous clg...mostly state level ones...only that would give u the actual reality...12lpa in this economy as a MBA fresher is still good...if u invite ppl from an actual tier 3 ( i would say no tier at all ) they will struggle to place at even 4 lpa. In this case students who r watching will know the reality too.
@SATSriBhaukaal
@SATSriBhaukaal Ай бұрын
So what do you actually want to learn from them?
@NoBakwas
@NoBakwas 18 күн бұрын
So you basically want to compare the competent people who actually put in effort vs the ones who didn’t do shit n got a degree only chz they had no other choice ? What do u think the outcome will be ?
@worldsrichestman3214
@worldsrichestman3214 4 күн бұрын
I don't even have money for IIM fees i don't have any option but tier 3 college😢 ​@@NoBakwas
@SupremeReality
@SupremeReality 3 күн бұрын
​@@worldsrichestman3214 You can easily get loan and most of the mba atudents from Abc fms L I XLRI ISB SPJ take loan. You can easily repay it in 3-5yrs.
@rahul01101991
@rahul01101991 Ай бұрын
Good to see a Tapmian in the video! From a fellow tapmian, cheers
@NITINKUMARN021
@NITINKUMARN021 Ай бұрын
Are u able to earn like him ? Just curious no hate
@aryanbhadauria928
@aryanbhadauria928 Ай бұрын
Dharmesh really had great answers!
@nazeerconcept
@nazeerconcept Ай бұрын
Would like to see similar podcast on, pls Medicos vs Engineers
@justdonewhobelievesinequality
@justdonewhobelievesinequality 18 күн бұрын
Non-IIM infact no MBA yet became a Senior BA and now Product Manager in quite a reputed company. While I understand that that’s not how it works out always, just adding some color to the conversation.
@Hashim_Abkz
@Hashim_Abkz 3 күн бұрын
Me who sitting and watching this while there is only 4 days for my CAT🥹
@neet737
@neet737 Күн бұрын
Same bro
@Vedika-u9e
@Vedika-u9e Ай бұрын
15:39 got the number one reason to do an MBA from Top IIM's! Thank you so much for this amazing podcast.
@79Dnivara
@79Dnivara Ай бұрын
IIMs have women's reservation. So you can get in even if you're incompetent. Good luck.
@Iamthebest17466
@Iamthebest17466 19 күн бұрын
@@79Dnivarashutup
@shivanandapandey6097
@shivanandapandey6097 Ай бұрын
Did I hear correctly she said dunzo 90l , I know one of my junior who said this start up was failing . Why on earth they are overpaying. Now understood most of this start up are just fooling investors
@nishantgaurav4588
@nishantgaurav4588 27 күн бұрын
They got a funding of 8000cr. So they have another 8k cr fund to spent b4 it fails.
@professorsbattleground6627
@professorsbattleground6627 Ай бұрын
SIBM PUNE is in Top B-schools in India TAPMI is also good This comparison is between top tiers
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
It's not SIBM he himself corrected in comment, it's SIMS Pune
@professorsbattleground6627
@professorsbattleground6627 Ай бұрын
@@parasummaryy ohh
@GauravSharma-si8fg
@GauravSharma-si8fg Ай бұрын
That's correct, I am from SIMS Pune😊
@Proooooooyytrtgbh2479
@Proooooooyytrtgbh2479 Ай бұрын
​what are the scores needed for sims
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
@@Proooooooyytrtgbh2479 bro Sims is tier 3 , snap exam if defense quota 60 percentile in snap exam, other 70 or 80 percentile in snap exam
@HarigovindSasi
@HarigovindSasi 28 күн бұрын
Honestly, I'm more interested in the Symbiosis guy's workout routine than his investments😂😂
@GauravSharma-si8fg
@GauravSharma-si8fg 15 күн бұрын
Lol..I am the guy..the commemt made me smile..thanks buddy!!
@soumyajitdas7162
@soumyajitdas7162 Ай бұрын
The funny part is, if you are doing well and climbing the ladder in quick time, people perceive you are either from an IIT or IIM, anything lesser raises eyebrows. 😂
@pratz3198
@pratz3198 28 күн бұрын
That’s bullshit
@chitranshpawar29
@chitranshpawar29 13 күн бұрын
It's not BS.
@timonpumba6375
@timonpumba6375 27 күн бұрын
Randomly came across this video and I must very good Job especially about being honest with the Salary and Investing part...Kudos and keep them videos coming.
@manjit_singhh
@manjit_singhh Ай бұрын
4 successful people talking about their success and all things that lead them to IIM's. I would appreciate if there are more failure/real struggle stories that we can see on the channel. You cant just talk about the top 1% earning people. Get to the ground and show us the next 10 percent people who are earning 25-60K per month.
@varunaggarwal7126
@varunaggarwal7126 Ай бұрын
there are channels for that also, you will get less views, history remembers only winners.
@nevilvadher
@nevilvadher Ай бұрын
Next video business vs job.
@karanzaveri6369
@karanzaveri6369 Ай бұрын
Love the content and transparency. keep up the great work guys.
@sarnathshirsat
@sarnathshirsat Ай бұрын
Hey Amazing and raw conversation . Both panelists have a work and life experience and thank you guys .
@sumitselot8241
@sumitselot8241 Ай бұрын
Superb video, loving the content of wint wealth. Thanks team for bringing such amazing content to us... looking forward for many more✨✨
@BhavyaJain6
@BhavyaJain6 Ай бұрын
Great insights! Please also make a video to compare IIM MBA vs MBA from Ivy League colleges in the USA. Thanks!
@AbhishekBindal144
@AbhishekBindal144 Ай бұрын
Pl do a video on MBA vs Engineering / Product Design career progressions
@887310954
@887310954 8 күн бұрын
just fyi flipkart offers esops, which is almost paper money with no buy back or public listing in sight.
@ru7445
@ru7445 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for being honest ! Really appreciate!
@VirhaanShaurya
@VirhaanShaurya Ай бұрын
Kelly Loeffler's strategy proves to be thr most effective among experts as many of them lacks reliability.
@jairajnaik9872
@jairajnaik9872 Ай бұрын
TAPMI guy looks like Rahul Subramaniam with a haircut.😁
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
@@jairajnaik9872 accent too same
@gwenny2272
@gwenny2272 23 күн бұрын
Not really
@arunprabhu8120
@arunprabhu8120 24 күн бұрын
Draw of Belgaum is real, pondering the same possibility here from Germany.
@ashishvishwas9952
@ashishvishwas9952 12 күн бұрын
Your college doesn't matter that much it all depends on your drive , ambition , grind , will to do something .
@Sagar-e5o
@Sagar-e5o 25 күн бұрын
Business vs job
@varunaggarwal7126
@varunaggarwal7126 Ай бұрын
16:40, lol they are saying engineers met dead end at 42, they can also enter management when its time without degree, also our salary grows 100% with each switch (you need to be good at your skill) moreover you can solve technical round and math problems to show you are competent, an MBA can only show his/her degree.
@KartikSharma004
@KartikSharma004 26 күн бұрын
Correct...😂
@rahulrrakvi7201
@rahulrrakvi7201 Ай бұрын
There is an established bias treatment for IIM grads over and above non-IIMs in this country. Since the country's change among youth is more towards executive and part-time MBA than a full-time MBA after getting an initial 3 - 4 years, ISB is a better school than any of the IIMs when it comes to executive MBA.
@ashkark4056
@ashkark4056 Ай бұрын
Very nice people and very crisp and clean info
@animishkorwar
@animishkorwar Ай бұрын
Companies will see real you beyond your IIM degree after 3 months of working with them. If you don't fit you will start looking for another job and that's that. Degree is first impression and not everything.
@vismaymohan406
@vismaymohan406 Ай бұрын
Yes if you are from IIT or any top nit you don't even need an mba.
@newbiekhyber
@newbiekhyber 23 күн бұрын
Despite the hype, none of them (IIM or non-IIM) actually have a job in a top-tier organization.
@vm-my6hg
@vm-my6hg 26 күн бұрын
Many techies move to managerial & leadership roles without an MBA, that point about career ending at 42 is not true. The university of hard knocks is way above any business school.
@AshhIshh28
@AshhIshh28 16 күн бұрын
Ek aisa hee video Pharmacy k liye bhi banao na please
@vinodhsri1
@vinodhsri1 Ай бұрын
Joining a branded institution will not offer a well curated Path to success. To innovate and invent, seek a good Mentor and get into the trench of your industry to learn from the best.
@RajeshSingh-ky2oq
@RajeshSingh-ky2oq Ай бұрын
Does this video add any value to people's life who are non IIM, non IIT?
@kunalmasurkar967
@kunalmasurkar967 Ай бұрын
Yes, it does it helps the people who are still in their 20's who are finding it difficult to choose a career path this video helps them understand to take a well informed decision where they should settle for a T2 or T3 colleges or go for a bigger goal and if they settle for the less what are the issues they have to face and how they can tackle those issues
@soumozz
@soumozz 29 күн бұрын
Hey the non-iim people are not from any T2 college
@kunalmasurkar967
@kunalmasurkar967 28 күн бұрын
@@soumozz na bro SIES Pune and Tapmi are T2
@Wisewolf09
@Wisewolf09 29 күн бұрын
Brother many other factors also affects the salary. If your are an engineer from IIT, NIT , BITs you will be able to double your salary in less than 4 years and experience in global giants like google, oracle , Microsoft etc will be an added advantage.
@nishanthn9006
@nishanthn9006 27 күн бұрын
Irony is the IIM Woman saying 2X of 35 lakhs is 85-90 lakhs :D
@shubhamjain2909
@shubhamjain2909 Ай бұрын
really insightful discussion
@TheDrnanda
@TheDrnanda 29 күн бұрын
Let me give u perspective.. Being IIM A Grad and class mate to one of the panel members.. I can vouch Being IIM Grad of course reduces ur chances of becoming super rich.. as We are always in comfortable position as far as salaries are concerned.. which keeps u in ur shell and never pushes you to take risks.. U have too much to lose.. E.G. If u r making 1 Cr per annum why on earth would u get into some troubled start up life.. Ofcourse few did and won many did and came back with learnings but little left behind others..
@exnda-avinash
@exnda-avinash 26 күн бұрын
amazing content .
@nishittomar4770
@nishittomar4770 Ай бұрын
I don't really think IIMs are special.
@aloof25
@aloof25 25 күн бұрын
if that helps you mentally, be in that delusion😂🤓
@vikrantkhatai5750
@vikrantkhatai5750 Ай бұрын
Great Content 👌🏻
@pratikgurnule8295
@pratikgurnule8295 Ай бұрын
Black t shirt guy with specs talks more maturely.
@devangsharma8584
@devangsharma8584 28 күн бұрын
The whole debate is a waste, the question is not about if people can have a good career being a non iiam, ofcourse they can. The question should be GENERALLY can people have a good career without iiam, no you cant. If you see iiams will have 80-90 people who are doing good, this number goes down as you go down the tiers of mba colleges.
@riser9644
@riser9644 Ай бұрын
please link thier linkedin
@HarshVardhan-p1q
@HarshVardhan-p1q 18 күн бұрын
"Inherited vs Self made Rich" pls
@903anshsrivastava7
@903anshsrivastava7 Ай бұрын
One of the best videos
@Finacewith-AI
@Finacewith-AI Ай бұрын
why people for iim use one word repeatedly ...(pedigree)
@akshaymahajan1897
@akshaymahajan1897 Ай бұрын
What are the names of these folks?
@rohanthole8245
@rohanthole8245 Ай бұрын
thanks for bringing such a good conversation it helped a lot to clear the doubts.
@887310954
@887310954 8 күн бұрын
rent is not an expense, coming from a mba sounds so stupid. Renting at 30-40k inr /month or paying 50-60k inr in a home loan is ,later is much better
@manjeetdahiya4331
@manjeetdahiya4331 2 күн бұрын
The guy in black T-shirt is Rahul Subramanian if he never did stand up
@StampSEO
@StampSEO Ай бұрын
1cr salaries thrown around for talent gauging. Not surprised why most startup’s fail.
@jeewantsinghgupta6959
@jeewantsinghgupta6959 Ай бұрын
For some reason, have hated the word "pedigree". Treats people like Animals.
@kuntellashanker2497
@kuntellashanker2497 Ай бұрын
Mba vs non mba next video
@saishiva3709
@saishiva3709 11 күн бұрын
Hi All, What ever you have it's better experience but my perspective businesse or job you people are influenced with background,if some are other time is bad you want to be prepare.That is about life nothing human science will work sometime
@parasummaryy
@parasummaryy Ай бұрын
Please provide their LinkedIn link in description
@allmovies7484
@allmovies7484 10 күн бұрын
Ja raha hu iim ki preparation karne
@moneshrathod
@moneshrathod 4 күн бұрын
14:14 this is true
@pranavkulkarni1142
@pranavkulkarni1142 Ай бұрын
Bridge between IIM and Non IIM- Engineering XD
@neevthakkar3815
@neevthakkar3815 Ай бұрын
This question is bit unrelated to the topic being discussed here in the video, I was curious what kind of Camera Gear is being used by your channel? It would be really helpful if you answer. Thank You.
@theanimarium9612
@theanimarium9612 21 күн бұрын
video ka conclusion kya nikla?
@NotTooShort
@NotTooShort 21 күн бұрын
Comment section ko dekh ke maza aa gayi kya jal rahi hai logo ki mba vaalo ko successful dekh ke
@79Dnivara
@79Dnivara Ай бұрын
Non IIM meritos >>> IIM reservos
@rakeshpatel2939
@rakeshpatel2939 Ай бұрын
IIM - what is this?? sounds like manage yourself
@ManasDeep
@ManasDeep 25 күн бұрын
Putting SIMS and TAPMI guys in front of IIM A and B guys is a big sin! When you talk about Non-IIMs, talk about Tier-1 institutes like XLRI, FMS, IIFT, MDI, SPJ, etc. These are the ones who are providing Top IIM like opportunities, if not better. Only IIM BLACKISM is any good, rest are just tier 2 colleges who provide average opportunities at best!
@vinaypatil2475
@vinaypatil2475 Ай бұрын
These IIMs people will cry in corner if they know how top engineering guys are getting paid. 😅
@SupremeReality
@SupremeReality Ай бұрын
Both are paid more or less equally. My friend compare Software developer with IB ,VC,PE,Consultant. They are paid mostly same.
@hhhgj-wd1iy
@hhhgj-wd1iy Ай бұрын
Personal insight or educated guess?
@vinaypatil2475
@vinaypatil2475 Ай бұрын
I am not guessing and you cant match dollars with inr
@Tum_Tum_
@Tum_Tum_ 18 күн бұрын
This comparison is just between two MBAs and not between MBA n Engineering.
@ShadabKhan-le7ue
@ShadabKhan-le7ue Ай бұрын
Please bring someone from marketing background not sales person ok ...................
@SupremeReality
@SupremeReality Ай бұрын
Bhai Marketing m sbse phle sales hi krwate h 2-3 saal tk.
@siddarthpaim
@siddarthpaim Ай бұрын
Even in IIM A is only best others don’t matter
@SupremeReality
@SupremeReality Ай бұрын
Then you are in some delusion. IIm abc then isb L Xl fms k spj mdi ye sbhi top tier cllg h.
@sujoyd39
@sujoyd39 Ай бұрын
@@SupremeReality Good luck going to non iims
@sagniksinha9247
@sagniksinha9247 Ай бұрын
Delusion can be a harmful thing ...
@sagniksinha9247
@sagniksinha9247 Ай бұрын
​@@sujoyd39 Kitne saal me tera IIMs lagta hum bhi dekhenge ....Aur IIM me hota to aisi gawaro jaisi batein mat karta....
@yashmodi919
@yashmodi919 18 күн бұрын
Mba vs software engineer😂
@abhishekghosh8902
@abhishekghosh8902 Ай бұрын
Is online mba from manipal jaipur or LPU are really worth of doing?
@pritishposwal2590
@pritishposwal2590 Ай бұрын
No never
@madhavgupta1558
@madhavgupta1558 Ай бұрын
Abe itni salary kon de rha hai ,Delhi me to mujhe koi milta nhi itni salary wala
@friendeleven5711
@friendeleven5711 Ай бұрын
IIM is like another caste system
@harshjha6715
@harshjha6715 Ай бұрын
true
@tanaykewalramani4527
@tanaykewalramani4527 Ай бұрын
Yeah but merit based so fair enough
@Manish----
@Manish---- Ай бұрын
​@@tanaykewalramani4527reservations ka naam suna hai?? Exists in IIM
@tanaykewalramani4527
@tanaykewalramani4527 Ай бұрын
@@Manish---- oh I had no idea that it exists in IIMs also
@79Dnivara
@79Dnivara Ай бұрын
@tanaykewalramani4527 Merit based? Lol. They have caste, gender and degree based reservations.
@jashansogi2641
@jashansogi2641 Ай бұрын
10mins ago 316 views
@sauradip1998
@sauradip1998 22 күн бұрын
cat shit vs rat shit
@gopaltripathi9910
@gopaltripathi9910 Ай бұрын
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@ranachowdhury3808
@ranachowdhury3808 Ай бұрын
MBA= Maha Barbad Admi😂 ojha sir ki dialogue
@gopaltripathi9910
@gopaltripathi9910 Ай бұрын
I am first 🥇
@kartikAnand-4756
@kartikAnand-4756 Ай бұрын
🖕🫵
@Mukundpawar44
@Mukundpawar44 Ай бұрын
IIMs are overhyped. The race between Chartered Accountants (CA) and MBAs still continues as on date. I am proud that I am a Chartered Accountant.
@Sritejajeedigunta
@Sritejajeedigunta Ай бұрын
And iam a proud MBA from IIM. CAs use Bcoms (unqualified) to do all the finance work and they just sign in the end. MBAs use CAs to do all the finance work so we can make decisions that make actual money. We also create jobs. So.. I think you and I can engage in a wonderful debate.
@sharanadvaith7998
@sharanadvaith7998 Ай бұрын
​@@SritejajeediguntaBud, not every CA is indulged in his own practice to "verify and sign reports"
@harshjha6715
@harshjha6715 Ай бұрын
there is no race between ca and IIM graduate bro😭 look at the salary expectations of RANK1, that's an average placement in IIM ABC. (comparing salary wise only)
@Mukundpawar44
@Mukundpawar44 Ай бұрын
@Sritejajeedigunta Your perception about Chartered Accountants is very shallow. CAs, too, create lot off jobs. The founders, MDs and chairman's of most of the top broking companies, Mutual Fund Houses, Investment Banks and companies from other industries in India are Chartered Accountants and not MBAs. You think MBAs take all the decisions, but that's not the true reality. It's the Chartered Accountants who call the shots.
@sharanadvaith7998
@sharanadvaith7998 Ай бұрын
@@harshjha6715 bhai tu wahi harsh jha hai kya jo mein soch raha hu
@rahulnayaka_
@rahulnayaka_ Ай бұрын
I was waiting for very long finally 🤌🏼
@AshhIshh28
@AshhIshh28 16 күн бұрын
Ek aisa hee video Pharmacy k liye bhi banao na please
@neevthakkar3815
@neevthakkar3815 Ай бұрын
This question is bit unrelated to the topic being discussed here in the video, I was curious what kind of Camera Gear is being used by your channel? It would be really helpful if you answer. Thank You.
@AshhIshh28
@AshhIshh28 16 күн бұрын
Ek aisa hee video Pharmacy k liye bhi banao na please
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