Wired Freedom Death Wobble? Customers Complain..

[@StayConnectedEV]

UPDATED VIDEO AS. OF AUGUST 1, 2024 kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHrFkJWtlrOpa8k&lc=Ugx_7EIO59uqoaDKZvN4AaABAg

[@dancurran1125]

I have the new one. This is an engineering problem I.M.H.O. Rear battery in: Wobble. Rear battery out: None or significantly less wobble. It appears that the location of the rack, high center of gravity, and heavy weight of the rear battery is causing a harmonic wave through the frame and connectors under certain conditions. Once side movement is introduced by tapping the handles, It produces a large, sympathetic moment at the end of a long lever. This movement over time is probably gong to get worse as multiple connectors start wearing in. Imagine this occurring at 40+ MPH. Motorcycles use steering dampers to reduce similar results. The factory better jump on this A.S.A.P. before someone gets hurt. Maybe a recall. Given the volume of bikes out there, It's not going to go away. Just my opinion. I'm not an engineer. You can come to your own conclusions.

[@anthonyeanes2550]

I have one and your statement is valid because my bike is doing the same thing 🙄😱

[@1bottlefed]

I have a version 1 with the single battery and to reduce the wallow seen due to flexing of the pivots I took two measures. One (lacking a tig welder) i took a piece of 2" square aluminum box tubing and carefully contoured to fit between the rockers (in the area behind the seat tube as this is where all the movement force is being imparted by the suspension members) and around the seat tube and epoxied it between the pivots. I also found that the bolt (actually what is called a barrel bolt) that mounted the rockers to the frame was loose in the frame bracket so I wrapped the bolt in brass shim stock where it goes through the frame to eliminate movement. These two repairs totally eliminated the flexion and wallow that plagued the bike prior to installing a rear mounted battery which turned it into a full on death wobble. I contacted Wired about 6 months ago and made them aware of the issue and suggested they have the factory simply weld the two rockers together with two pieces of aluminum leaving the front area open to allow for easy installation on the bike during assembly. Then to fully address the movement at the bolt I told them they could either use a bigger barrel bolt that fits the frame bracket tightly or better yet machine a 45° angle on the face of each bearing as well as an opposing 45° angle on the end of the frame bracket much like a valve and valve seat to 100% lock the bearings to the frame. Wired did not do the rocker mod instead adopting bolted in spacers as many owners had done as a great half measure to reduce flexion without a welder or the ability/time and effort to machine aluminum box tubing as I did.....The spacers were a great idea as an easy home fix but pathetic as an assembly line repair. I also see a major class action law suit in Wired future if they do not mend their ways.

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@1bottlefed one would think people should coordinate then. Sorry to hear this.

[@GeRom831]

I have over 200 miles on my 2024+ Wired Freedom. Never had a wobble even with the rear battery installed. Then again, I’m in the minority of riders out there who actually keeps my hands on the handlebars while doing 35mph+ on a 100 lb e-bike. I know, call me strange.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Glad to hear

[@boomer2264]

I have had my wired freedom for about a week now, and so far I love it. I haven't had a wobble yet.

[@stevenpeavler959]

I got mine Friday and have 120 miles on the bike. I highly recommend everyone tighten down every bolt. I had a really loose bolt in the rear pivot point by the axle on one side. I also lubricated all the suspension linkages and eliminated all the squeaks and rattles EXCEPT the rear battery where there’s just a little play in the carrier. I’ll have to wedge something between the rack and battery so it won’t move. I saw this video this morning and went to check out this wobble, which is definitely present. I have two other fat tire bikes that are solid in comparison. I’m looking very closely where it’s coming from. I don’t believe it’s from the rear suspension setup - I’m not seeing any lateral play there. The rear battery does accentuate it but that’s not the origin. I think it is coming from the front - either the fork, stem or just play in the big spoked wheel and tire themselves. I ordered a 2mm stem spacer like another poster mentioned to see if that removes any slop.

[@stevenpeavler959]

Also, what it may be is the loss of rigidity from the cutout of the frame where the front battery goes…

[@jacobortwine7063]

How's it working out for you?

[@williamwachendorf9349]

@@stevenpeavler959 did the spacer work or not?

[@daveyJ213]

In my humble opinion, that shake demonstrated at 8:00 in the video is a direct result of inferior, loose, or poor construction of the four-point structure that connects the rear wheel, frame, and shock together. It's either loose, or bending and oscillating. Look carefully and you can see the entire frame bending and flexing right under the seat post. They need to stiffen those members up substantially.

[@ginginthing]

I'm a retired front end mechanic on trucks and cars. The issue is the caster angle, which is too small. So what the company wants owners to do is tighten the pinch bolts to make the fork stem have more resistance to turning. This will help a little, and along with the lower tire pressure which also adds resistance to the swivel of the fork stem. The idea is if you welded the front fork stem solid to the frame, the problem will go away so they are telling you to do everything in that direction, regardless if it severley hampers the ability to turn the front forks. . And the things you pointed out about the rear battery weight slightly over hanging the back end of the rack also adds to the problem by making the front end slightly lighter. This wobble is caused by the technical term, Western Flyer Wagon Wobble. That's because the old kids wagons had no front end caster and would have very little stability at higher speeds when going down hill. The caster is the tilt backwards of the steering angle. Back in the old days when high speed dragsters were just beginning to be at the drag strips, there were a lot of problems controlling the steering on them, especially on take off when the front ends were weightless. They quickly learned that the caster angle had to be increased to almost 20 degrees or they would have no control of the steering and often get the death front end wobble, which transmits through the entire chassis. Same goes for all bikes. The faster they go, the more fork caster us required. If these bikes had the correct caster, the pinch pin bolts could be loose and the tire pressure maxed out and there would be no wobble. The company just doesn't want to admit that the angle is wrong now because it would cost them a small fortune to have all the ebikes they sold fixed by a place that could alter the angle. It would require cutting the fork frame down tube free at the bottom and pushing the lower end forward to an amount that is experimental at the start, until the best angel is found on a prototype bike. The space between the lower part of the down tube and the existing frame would have to be filled and rewelded by a skillful welder that knew how to preheat the area of the weld then properly stress relieve the welded area. The frame would have to be completely striped down of all components prior to this work. It's not all that difficult for an experienced aluminum welder, just time consuming. And one final thing. You mentioned that owners of this bike all need to get together and make them fixs this problem. Not going to happen. The way to get there attention is for people to stop buying these ebike models altogether is the only way they will fix it for future customers. All current owners are up the proverbial creek in a Wired canoe.

[@TunaSoda]

What are the current caster angles on the wired freedom and the 5 star so we can compare them?

[@ginginthing]

@@TunaSoda I don't know. I don't own either one. Without any way to measure it, it does look like the angle is close. It's not off that far. But it doesn't take only a degree or two on the off side to cause a problem. The wide tires also contribute a small amount to the problem. That's why dragsters and funny cars have narrow front wheels and tires.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Well said! Also influencers need to be upfront it’s wrong they aren’t.

[@ginginthing]

@@StayConnectedEV These current ebike frames were all designed for max speeds of about 25 mph, and at those speeds, there was not a problem. But now these bikes are reaching cruise speeds well above that, which is well out of the original design envelope. I'm not an expert on production costs or redesign costs for China, but it has to be significant to come up with a prototype that will work at these higher speeds and then change the tooling to accommodate any changes. But the biggest costs might be having all the frames out there now that don't work with the higher speeds. If they tell the people that purchased them to kiss off, they will get a bad name and loose business. If they tell people they will send them a new frame, that will cost them a lot of money. So right now, I don't envy their situation. They only have one option now, and that's to tell people to do things to try and prevent the high speed wobble by using methods that also degrade the low speed agility of the movement of the front forks, There's actually a much cheaper fix to the problem that can be used now which is not pretty but effective. It's been used on aircraft front nose gears for over 75 years and that is a shimmy dampener. Yes, this same problem has been around a long time and still exists on small aircraft.

[@ginginthing]

@@golden6625 Good example. Another example would be the tail wheel on a conventional gear airplane, although the casters on a shopping cart and trail dragger airplane is an example of the most common lag caster, where the wheel is behind the vertical pivot axle on a caster. It's much different then a bike's front fork forward caster wheel which is more difficult to stabilize. The bike's rear wheel that is mounted to drag links that are attached rigidly to the frame, or to a horizontal pivot axle in a rear suspension bike is not a caster wheel system. In that location, wobble can not be induced because there is no rotational freedom about the vertical axis in that system. There can be vibration from an unbalance rear wheel, but no wobble. Except for the balance of the spinning wheel, that system is inherently stable. But in the situation of the front wheel, forward leading caster angle if the vertical pivot axle is not in a rearward leaning angle, or if it approaches zero angle from vertical, instability of the system will occur at some point. This is primarily due to the gyroscopic precession of the spinning wheel at different speeds, downward pressure on the system and several other factors. We might tend to take the mechanics of a bicycle for granted, and assume it's just a simple device since it doesn't look that complicated, and it has been around forever, it actually is an example of many principles of physics all coming together in one package that is an incredible and very useful invention, that probably took many years by many people to develop by trial and error without any schooling in math or physics. This is the kind of people that Elon Musk looks for to work for him, and not always impressive engineering degrees that say nothing of the person's ability to invent new workable and efficient systems.

[@dixienormis3614]

The owner of Wired is a jerk. Things keep breaking on the wired freedom and they get irritated when I ask for help and ignore me

[@StayConnectedEV]

Sorry to hear that you have had issues with him.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

Liar tho 😏

[@taylorthruelsen324]

PLEASE READ MY COMMENT: Everyone, I saw the Ecells/Wired video talking about a bad frame from wired and seeing that everyone was talking trash about how the Owner of Ecellss is a jerk, I decided to not believe the video, thinking it was propaganda and ... I WENT AND BOUGHT THE WIRED. The bike showed up in the mail and i was more excited than a pig rolling in shit. Put it together and guess what? THE FRAME IS A FUCKING NOODLE. I OWN 10 different e-bikes and nothing remotely like this. I called Wired and they were cool saying that the bikes headstem needed to be tightened in that the bike it wobble. I tightened the head stem and it's the same. If I let my hands off the handlebars to ride, no hands, immediately goesinto a death wobble. A vicious rip your arms out your socket wobble. THIS IS A SERIOUS DESIGN FLAW. THIS BIKE NEEDS TO BE RECALLED. I SEE A SERIOUS SERIOUS CIVIL ACTION LAWSUIT WHEN A DOZEN KIDS SPLAT THIER BRAINS GOING 40MPH ON THE BIKES. I called Wired and they were super nice the other day and today they were jerks. I cant return this thing and I cant ride this thing. I have a 100poumd Paperweight. If you cant ride "no hands" with your bike, you should immediately get off of it. You are smoking crack if you think its safe to be riding a bike at 40 mph and the bike feels like its going implode. I just spend 2,700 bucks out the door for a bike that doesn't work. Im so so so mad at MYSELF FOR BUYING THE WIRED. Im not paid by ECells or have any affiliation with the company, only I wish i listened to what they were saying. Its True Folks. The Wired is a Bust. Cancel your Wited order immediately if you havent got it yet. And well... Go buy that Ecells. Bummed in Seattle.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

@@taylorthruelsen324 , say hello to David for me 😉

[@wesleyevans8368]

Dang, you’re on this video also? Dude, learn and move on already

[@landscapingspecialist]

I also have a Surly Skidloader. It is considered a hauler. Has no suspension to speak of. But you can put 80lbs safely on the rack and experience no wobble whatsoever. I have towed a trailer w it that was at least 200lbs. Not sure about its tongue weight. But the bike is just build solid from the ground up. Where this bike is not.

[@johnhecht5565]

My Wired E-Bike has been completely trouble free and I ride it fast over rough and steep BLM roads and trails. It has no wobble at all at any speed. I just ordered another one. Wired has thousands of extremely satisfied customers like me.

[@StayConnectedEV]

You need to watch the video. This is the NEW model that has the issues.

[@Mike6string]

You just ordered the one that wobbles, gl

[@dialy1]

If you take out the rear battery, there is zero wobble at any speed. Any bike with a battery of that size on the rear rack has a wobble when you let go of the handlebars.

[@Mike6string]

@@dialy1 not the ecells dual star

[@dialy1]

@@Mike6stringI would need to see it to believe it.

[@Thom_Yorky]

Coupon code for Ecell bike along with this video....Hmm.... 🤨

[@StayConnectedEV]

Yes along with 25 other coupon codes of bikes we review that's what influencers do.. We review bikes..

[@bigdaddy1525]

I agree with you bro. The company needs to step up and fix it to mitigate their loss in life potentially.

[@mikebordeaux8218]

This is an issue that only affected a very few bike but the owner of E-Cells bike is pushing this everywhere in an attempt to inflate his own sales. Pathetic.

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

Bullshit!

[@StayConnectedEV]

How is that pathetic. Lol

[@Mike6string]

What’s pathetic is the owner of wired telling customers to fix it themselves. Hi mike!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣

[@addertooth1]

I will take a moment to mention the "other" Dual battery 40+ MPH eBike, the Motor Goat v3. It is very solid, stable and planted, even when moving on a slight downhill at 50 MPH. The frame is dual tube rail design and is quite rigid. It has more total battery capacity in dual battery mode than either the eCells or the Wired Freedom.

[@StayConnectedEV]

totally agree

[@SirWrecksy]

Good specs. Looks like a nice bike except also looking like a motorcycle is very problematic where I live. I like bikes that look like bikes but are high-powered

[@michaelshane3031]

After waiting months to get and now I have to worry about this. I just got my bike delivered today. Took it to the local bike shop for assembly. Should be ready to ride tomorrow. I’m going to be really pissed off if my bike has this problem.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Sorry!!

[@jayspringer8115]

Update?

[@ByteMyWire]

I own the new 2024+ Wired Freedom. I've seen the videos you showed. I cannot make my bike shake like that one guy did. I tried the wiggle test no handed and the front wheel did oscillate a little, but nothing wild. As soon as I touched the bar it stopped. With my hands on the bars (one hand or two) I have had zero stability issues or even a hint of any wiggle, let alone a DEATH wobble. I've cruised road, concrete, gravel, & sand up to 43MPH. Nothing. I had to hear about a problem to know there was a problem, because I have no problem. I've ran the tires at 15, 20, 25psi. Sorry this is unpopular, but I like the bike, it's fast AF. What I would say is having the rear battery option is nice for long range, but I've found it performs better just using the front battery for riding that doesn't require all that range. I mean that extra weight up high is gonna effect your center of gravity. The bike is way more nimble without it racked.

[@StayConnectedEV]

ok glad you have no problems.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Wired Freedom User Death Wobble Videos (please send if you have problems) Video 1: bit.ly/3XXF1CM

[@TunaSoda]

Video 1: "If you hold on you're fine"

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@jedi_drifter2988 nope 5 star doesnt do it.. Just an issue for the wired.

[@gregorygrant3643]

It’s the rack with that heavy battery it throws the balance off I have a very similar set up on a DIy ebike and get that same wobble .

[@StayConnectedEV]

It could be oddly Robert was complaining of this on the previous model too.

[@18andlikeit]

I tend to agree. With the added weight over the rear tire, along with a rear suspension design that may not be rigid and solid enough to fight lateral movements may contribute to this wobble. So you have the front half of the frame that is rigid, the rear half of the frame that is rigid, but both halves are connected by a weak link, which is the suspension apparatus right in the middle. This, combined with the lop sided weight with battery all the way in the back of the bike could cause flex issues.

[@5TonWrecker1]

10lbs over a rear tire is not going to cause any bike to wobble. Otherwise, every single bike with a back rack and a basic bag would wobble. Too much weight weight causes tipping due to raising the center over gravity of the vehicle, not wobbling. Again, especially not 10lbs. As to @StayConnectedEV theory of too much weight at the top of the rear suspension. The bulk of the weight on that rack is focused on the axle of the rear wheel. Look at the structure of it. Those little bars on the front of the rack are for balance. You would need a whole lot of weight and lever to add any significant compression or tension on those. Even then, it isn't going to cause a wobble. As a kid, did you ever ride around on the rear pegs of a friends bike or vise versa? When was there an issue? The passenger leaned to much and the bike wanted to go over. There was never a wobble in the bikes.

[@colorado75h91]

@@5TonWrecker1it’s not over the tire. The rack was moved back past the centerline of the rear wheel. They changed the rack design without mentioning it to anyone. The rack the Citizen Cycle has on his prototype is much different than the ones customers are receiving.

[@stevenpeavler959]

I think it’s the flex in the downtube.

[@Commoncents1000]

Another thing to look for. If your rear suspension arms, the two black ones that connect to the shock, have an unused hole, you need to contact the company and get that additional bolt/spacer setup that goes there. It will add rigidity to the bike. I made my own at first using two 5/16 x 1-inch spacers, an 8mm x 85mm bolt, two washers, and a nylon lock nut. That got me by until I got the real parts from Wired. I could only find a 90mm long bolt, so it stuck out more than I would have liked, but it worked. Now, I did the handlebar wiggle on a Radster Road which has no rear suspension. I could see and feel the same wobble, but much less. So, all bikes with substantial weight in the rear will flex when you do this test. The motor and rack are fairly heavy, so there is inertia there to make the wobble more noticeable during the test. Now that I added the missing bolt/spacer, the bike feels much better. The only time I ever got wobble while riding was before I did this, and when going 2 or 3 mph, steering quickly back and forth, while attempting to go between my car and my trailer. Narrow, so I needed slow precise handling. With the added weight in my rear rack bag, that made it worse. Since adding the missing bolt, all is pretty darn good. To do your own test, get a bike with no suspension, put about 5 to 10 pounds in its rear rack bag, and wiggle the handlebars. You will get some flex. A lot of it could be the tires as well, as they flex side to side too, especially with lower air pressures.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Just too many things to look for after paying $2k

[@Commoncents1000]

@@StayConnectedEV Ya, agree there. But I am satisfied now. Likely the people in the factory need some more training on fine tuning stuff. And making sure there are no unused holes in suspension parts.

[@paublojauve6782]

So glad I canceled my wired bike, this is unacceptable. Did they even test these bikes? Clearly not. These bikes are poorly designed and rushed out to customers with no refinement. This is recall material.

[@StayConnectedEV]

What also is sad Citizen Cycle never said anything and he's had the bike for 2 months

[@paublojauve6782]

@@StayConnectedEV Car salesman vibes!

[@pewaukeemike]

If you actually look at Citizen Cycles video you’ll see he rode the bike without holding the handles to demonstrate the bikes stability and commented on how stable the ride is.

[@dixienormis3614]

Citizen guy is a bitch for not warning anyone

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

@@pewaukeemike go look when his father rides the cruiser, the wobble is obvious. These people are being paid to say the things they do.

[@FreakyT333]

This is very unfortunate for Wired buyers. I have a 2023 Wired Cruiser model. A similar wobble issue was the reason I eventually upgraded to a full suspension frame. I did however go with the 5 Star as my replacement bike as I was very nervous this issue would somehow persist on the new Freedom models. Definitely do not have this issue on my 5 Star and trust me I’ve tried to make it happen, many different speeds and riding aggressively to make sure. Not sure what exactly is done different on the 5 Star but the thing is solid as a tank with 0 frame flex. So glad I went with Ecells this time. I’m not a brand loyalist, love both bikes but the fact is the Wired bikes have too much flex/play in their chassis. I will add that putting a front saddle bag with tools and a pump on my Wired Cruiser did help resolve the wobble at speed issue after tightening the stem, wheel etc. The weight balance is part of the problem on that bike. You still can’t transition side to side too aggressively or the frame flexes a lot and the rear end starts to battle you for balance.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thats awesome! Glad to see you are happy now.

[@MyTube4Utoo]

I'm going with an 'E-Cells' bike, too.

[@mikehaney5668]

Did the Hellbender fix this issue and are all newly shipped bikes coming with the Hellbender already installed? I want this bike but not with these issues.

[@LeeAyzahn]

I own the 2024 Wired Freedom model that came out late last year/early this year before the 2024 + models and the handle bars do wobble whenever I have a battery pack on the rear rack. FYI, I'm a 5'9' 215 lb. rider for weight reference. I've ridden with 2 separate batteries strapped to the rear rack (not at the same time). 1 battery was a 60v 40 ah UPP and that definitley made the handle bars wobble. The second battery was a shark style 60 v 20 ah battery pack and that even makes the handle bars wobble. Granted, I understand the handle bars wobble because of the weight distribution, but I was suprised to find the wobble even with the additional 20 ah pack on the rear rack. Also, when I ride with just the default battery in the frame there is no wobble what so ever, but when I get the wobble it happens immediately. I have 2 bikes with similar linkage systems. 1 is the Wired Freedom and the other is a Wallke X3 Pro. I tested the linkage frame flex when standing next to the bikes jiggling the handle bars and the Wired Freedom flexes so much more than the Wallke.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Walkee does not flex.

[@boomer2264]

After watching this I did go out side and shake the bike by the handlebars and knock wood mine didn't wobble

[@douglasoligney1001]

if the only issue with this bike is that you can make it wobble by tapping the bars while riding no handed i think im confident in spending 2k on it ,ive seen the same wobble test be done on dozens of other ebikes with the sane results ,,its most likely due to the extra weight over the tail of the bike and can be resolved if your worried about it by adjusting your suspension ,something you would have to consider regardless of the bike if your going to use the tail rack

[@Commoncents1000]

My 2024a Freedom needed its front fork stem tightened. You loosen the two stem bolts, tighten the cap bolt that goes down the middle of the fork, until no slop is felt. The way you feel for slop is... hold your hand around the front of the frame and the fork tube where it comes out of the top of the frame. Overlapping both with your hand. With the other hand, hold the front brake and wiggle bike back and forth. If it is loose, you will feel the clunking in your hand that is on the frame/fork tube. Pay attention to only what you feel with your hand at that area, as the front fork may make a similar movement where the fork slider goes down into the lower leg of the fork. Now, what I did was add another 2mm fork stem spacer ring to the two rings that come on the bike. I put it in between the two spacers that come on the bike. I did this to ensure the fork stem cap was not hitting the top of the fork stem before the fork bearings were tight with no clunking. Check this, because if the cap hits the top of the fork stem before the bearings are tight enough, tightening that middle stem bolt will not do anything because the cap is already hitting the fork stem. I wanted to be sure it was not, and that I could get the proper adjustment.

[@StayConnectedEV]

And that’s acceptable. Sounds like you are an employee of Wired. Sad

[@TimS-jo9go]

As I watch that guy shaking the bike. it appears to be staged with the components pre loosened for dramatic effect or it came out of a UAW shop. I also question someone who is judging something from his office chair and using the manufactures web site as his reference source. Everything about this doesn't pass the smell test.

[@StayConnectedEV]

And you gotta love the guy who just created this troll account to post this

[@pewaukeemike]

I have two Wired bikes, the 23 Freedom and 24+ Freedom that I just picked up from Chicago warehouse last week Friday. Neither of them have any sort of wobble. I have had only positive interactions with the Wired owners. They have called me with answers to my questions very quickly sometimes even after normal work hours. I’m very pleased with their help. As to the wobble, like I said both the 23 and 24+ bikes are solid, despite the rear suspension being vastly different there is no difference with the bikes stability. The second video where the bike was shaken to show the wobble I have two comments - 1) the rattle you hear is the rear battery which has a small amount of movement causing it to hit the side of the rack. I have that issue also which I’ve temporarily solved with a small piece styrofoam inserted between the battery and frame. I’ll silence it permanently with Velcro when I get a chance. 2) I took a short video trying the shake test like your second video by shaking both the 23 and 24+ bikes. The video shows no difference between the two bikes, both are solid. It’s almost like the bike in your video has suspension screws that are loose and need tightening. What seems odd to me is that for the longest time people have been complaining that Wired COPIED Ecells bike, that the frames were identical… now somehow they are no longer identical but rather Ecells is soooo much better. Obviously the two firms are competing for the same customers but either the bike frames are the same, as originally claimed by Ecells OR they are totally different- it can’t be both. Competition is a good thing, we as consumers benefit. I’d prefer both firms spend their time and resources building better and better products and not tearing down their competition.

[@StayConnectedEV]

First of all no one should be adding anything to a new bike to stop rattling. Second Ecells frame is 200% different than Wired and no one ever said the frame was the same.

[@pewaukeemike]

Really? Have you actually purchased a bike direct or only from a bike shop? Packed, shipped across the Pacific and trucked across the USA there are bound to be things that come loose and need to be tightened up or corrected locally… buy from a bike shop and they do that for you, buy direct and you need to do it. Read the comments on various posts, they run hot and cold with many comments complaining that Wired simply copied Ecells frame/bike. Wired implies that Ecells copied them as well- look at the top of their website - Imitated by one. Rivaled by none. Ecells seems to be more aggressive in the comments area but that could be my impression since I’m in Wired groups and not in Ecells.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Yes I have. Many.

[@Whoadayson]

Well said, 5th paragraph bullseye!

[@Whoadayson]

Not just your impression, definately a comments section hawk.

[@SirWrecksy]

Wow! For 6 months I've been going back and forth ecels versus wired. Which should I buy? It's torturous but today I made up my mind

[@StayConnectedEV]

If you choose Ecells they have $400 off too.

[@christopher564]

​@@StayConnectedEVcoupon code needed?

[@firstinlastout]

​Ecells has been out of stock and when I asked them when a shipment was coming in, they just told me they had no idea. There is something fishy going on over there

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@firstinlastout thats a complete lie. Speak to Rachel

[@rayrutherford74]

My Aipas M2 didn't do that front wobble until after I put the liner between the tube and tires. Mind u it only does it when I take hands of the grips. But if was able to free hand before the liner. Soni may remove it to see.

[@StayConnectedEV]

sad Wired doesnt want to address it

[@CNclov2005]

Looks like a lot of fearmongering to me case hardly anyone’s talking about it the issue as of Wednesday

[@StayConnectedEV]

because the Wired Forums moderates any negative issues customers have. Its a joke. I get a lot of the complaints here

[@LeeAyzahn]

As a Wired Freedom owner myself... it's an issue.

[@meatrobot]

I just received my '24 WF+, and the death wobble begins the instant I take my hands off the bars at any speed. It feels a little squirrelly under normal operation.

[@StayConnectedEV]

That’s horrible!!!! I’m so sorry

[@meatrobot]

​@@StayConnectedEVNBD. As someone else wrote above, the bike is fast AF. 45 mph on straight and level road. Sure don't want to do it with no hands, though 👍🏻

[@ShareHobby]

Seems the death wobble is created by poorly assembled bikes, or bikes that aren’t balanced correctly. Usually tightening the headset, wheel hubs, suspension pivots, and rack remedies the issue.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Hopefully it can be fixed

[@ShareHobby]

@@StayConnectedEV I’ve seen it in many e-bikes, including mine. Tightening EVERYTHING up and keeping bike weight evenly distributed, including your riding position, usually fixes the problem.

[@misterlasvegas777]

This should be a factory/Distributor recall

[@StayConnectedEV]

Agreed

[@jodythomas]

Does anyone have the 2024.5 Cruiser to see if it has the same wobble issue? I know the Citizen Cycle guy does but his didn't have the 2nd battery on board.

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@jodythomas yes all these videos are the .5 model

[@jodythomas]

@@StayConnectedEV I understand but I didn't think the Cruiser model had shipped yet and the wobble was on the 2024.5 Freedom only so far.

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

@@jodythomas it's probably going to be worse, due to the design of step thru bikes.....

[@jodythomas]

@@Daveyoung-wc6fj well crap.

[@alphonsosanchez5138]

After viewing this video I cancelled my order with Wired Ebikes. Safety is a major concern.

[@quantumfx2677]

Always research a while before buying anything!

[@BillBadMule123]

I was going to buy 2 Wired Bikes but after watching this NOT

[@corywebb5537]

You purposely made it wobble.I don't understand this😂

[@StayConnectedEV]

No bike should wobble this bad

[@victorkoc6658]

What is the stem bolts?

[@MyTube4Utoo]

From what I've learned, I'd *NEVER* buy a bike from 'Wired.' Wouldn't even consider it at any price.

[@karoslif9818]

Would a triple crown fork eliminate the front end wobble?

[@StayConnectedEV]

Not sure

[@brianroof5887]

That’s Odd because ECells customers were complaining about the wobble before wired customers hmmmm

[@StayConnectedEV]

That is a complete lie!

[@berickson3200]

Got the death wobble, been ebiking since 2019 never had a wobble before!

[@StayConnectedEV]

That isnt good!!!

[@TronDaPhenomenon]

I've just put 300 miles on my E-Cells 5 star and have been absolutely thrilled with it! Only issue I have is with the cheap shinano tourney derailleur that is completely out of adjustment. I never shift and leave it in high gear so it isn't really an issue for me yet. However, I do wish to upgrade the entire column to a microshift acolyte clutched 8 speed group set.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Awesome

[@williamwachendorf9349]

I had just bought a wired freedom. The bike is great but I just have a couple issues first off, with the death wobble it is true it is there. Scared the s*** out of me. You cannot take your hands off the handlebars while you're going above 20 mph. Seriously, something's wrong with this bike this is my only mean to transportation. I just can't get the bike up and hopefully get another one. I know I should have bought the e-sells. Darn it.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Sorry to hear that. Please be safe!! Thanks for commenting. Hope you subscribed to us

[@Mike6string]

Hopefully they can address this, not good.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Agreed

[@oldmanebikes8392]

This is a great video and this is why I think the company that I help with Bigniu they offer great customer service and have had issues with there bikes and they have had people take there bikes to shops and cover it and also I go to people in my area (NJ) and I help people with there issues. This is great customer service with Bigniu and respect them alot. I would never buy a wired bike because of there customer service and there bikes are made fast and cheap. Keep it up buddy we need exposure like this.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thank you, its very scary and I hope they find a solution.

[@oldmanebikes8392]

@@StayConnectedEV it's not a hard fix for the wired I believe if they just change the shock linkage to be thicker and more robust like the 5star there issues will go away. But this is what they get for cheaping out and trying to save money and weight but it is very dangerous at 40mph.

[@willybrown55]

​@@oldmanebikes8392 The problem has to do with much more than those two swing arm linkage arms. The material cross-section of that swing arm tubing is too small, and the thickness of the tubing is probably too small as well. But those are just two things. The whole design of this bike is poorly made.

[@oldmanebikes8392]

@@willybrown55 I agree and I think as a result of this and all the testing that E-Cells has done and also figured out how to fix this issue is what is needed with the wired E-bikes. But wired don't care as long as they sell more bikes and don't care who gets hurt. The government is so worried about speeds on E-bikes but how about safety on how they are built. Wired needs to recall all there E-bikes and give people either their money back or a safe bike.

[@willybrown55]

​@@oldmanebikes8392You are correct. I agree with you You make excellent points.

[@corywebb5537]

Is the only person i've ever heard complainant about it and you purposely made it do it , so i'm not understand, Your point and it seems like you're just mad for some reason and trying to Lie E about the bike

[@StayConnectedEV]

You’re wrong. lol

[@landscapingspecialist]

I have a Himiway cobra pro. No rack no wobble. It’s a combination of putting too much weight too far away from the central mass and not having a strong and solid enough interface between the and seatstay and chainstay to the rest of the frame. I’m no engineer, but this is a problem that is fundamental to the design of the frame. It cannot be fixed by tightening anything. I’d look elsewhere. And even forgo this style of frame altogether.

[@billporter1137]

Aren’t the ecell 5 star and the wired freedom the same bike, ordered from the same company in china!!??

[@StayConnectedEV]

No they aren’t. Ecells is made 200x better

[@billporter1137]

Oh ok!! Sounds like David is your buddy! Did he give you a free bike!! Same frame! Same front fork!!!

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@billporter1137 Im glad the Wired fanatics are here in the chat as they moderate the negative posts on the facebook group.. Glad there is a place here for people to share complaints.

[@mellowjammer]

I was going to order a Wired Cruiser (need the step thru frame) until I read about this wobble issue, but the problem is that the ECells "equivalent" is the Step Star which nobody has seen yet and will only be arriving in a 24" wheel size model. Hopefully it turns out to be a better bike than the Wired Cruiser and they add a 26" version soon.

[@peggylabarre1519]

nice review thank you but next review would it be possible to talk about e-bike laws like where you live what is you state law then talk about you bike is it legal on your roadways or not that simple I grew up with mopeds and 49cc gas scooters before e-bikes there was no problem for 50 years the law over 49cc and you register it as a motorcycle that was the law and no one was demostrating in the streets. i learned 49 cc scooters and most e-bike are too slow you have to be on the side of the road in the crap and cars going buy you with a mirror 4 inches from your head I got bumped by a truck mirror went off into the woods my full faced helmet saved me I am getting a small 150 scooter or street legal dirt bike I want to be in traffic going with traffic you are much safer drivers are texting there are few bike lanes where I live again the cars are inches away if they move 8 inches you are hit I would like to see ebikes be able to go say forty or fifty and be in traffic and I think people in cars would like that too they would not have to worry about hitting an e-bikers it looks like all over though the standard will be not over 750 watts that will be easy to enforce by police no law will be perfect but we do have to stop the guy that wants to put his 396 chevy engine from the seventies on his bike it is coming to that buy smart ride safe and have a blast riding your legal ebike

[@BillBadMule123]

They Want $800 for an extra battery WOW Thats a Lot of money for one battery

[@FreedomEbiker1002]

No I received mine Saturday and I have the whole bike death wobble, that chat message was on the wired website, I think it’s to much bike for a weak frame. I don’t think it can be fixed unless they send us a reconstructed more sturdy frame. I personally think Wired shouldn’t sell anymore bikes until the issue is resolved but unfortunately their answered haven’t been helpful at all. It’s not a stem and clamp thing at all I have done everything they have said and still an issue cause it’s a FRAME issue!

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thats horrible. I hope they watch the video and take immediate action if this is a widespread problem

[@FreedomEbiker1002]

@@StayConnectedEV I really do too! I emailed you a video of the issue on my 2024+ freedom that I had taken for a potential buyer that wanted a honest video cause people were being censored on the wired FB groups about the issue.

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@FreedomEbiker1002 I will add it to the description so people can see., Hopefully others will have outlet here to voice their problems

[@FreedomEbiker1002]

@@StayConnectedEV sounds good! Thank for the awareness of the issue!

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@FreedomEbiker1002 Ive posted some more videos in the description and will add as I receive.

[@Whoadayson]

Whats up EV, no ecells link on tthis one?

[@StayConnectedEV]

This is about Wired but if you want ECells promo DAC200 gets you $200 off

[@coreyalexander4766]

Can’t believe people give their hard earned money to a bunch of lawyers from Chicago. These bikes are trash ram by people who don’t even ride. And the product shows exactly that.

[@StayConnectedEV]

I hope they address this

[@colorado75h91]

They offer no customizations. They are glorified drop shippers.

[@Ekamwitu]

Should i cancel my order and put it for cells?

[@StayConnectedEV]

Your choice.

[@Ekamwitu]

@@StayConnectedEV idk is like that serious tho

[@hottamalekid3502]

It's up to you if you're willing to take on that risk. I highly recommend the Five Star. Top notch quality ebike with unparalleled owner engagement and customer service.

[@mpbikes1972]

Holy crap this is horrific. What is also weird is there is only one other person on youtube that has it other than citizen guy

[@StayConnectedEV]

wow i never realized that... very odd.

[@StayConnectedEV]

yeah its interesting.

[@kl3664]

This happens on most bikes with a rear battery. If you're under a normal BMI (or over < 99% tall person) just lose weight. Ecells is amazing, but the trolls are just overweight lmao

[@TheOceanMan-xc7qp]

That is just reckless to design a bike that can go that fast yet feel unstable...hard pass

[@sledhead904]

We have to remember ecells been doing the rear battery on this frame for years. So they encountered and figured this out 4-5 years ago. That's why he's so cocky.

[@Trailtested]

Great job covering this story

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thanks! Im hoping they take action to fix this

[@bizzfo]

Nothing to do with the 2024 bike with the new rear battery. Put a rear bag with a little weight on the original 2024 bike and it does the same thing.

[@StayConnectedEV]

He’s doing a recall

[@Tbonezx11]

All i see in those videos is someone who bought a direct-to-consumer bicycle and didn't properly go through and check all assembly. Shake the bike and it rattles!!! There's something loose. Minor play (millimeters) in suspension will magnify and create issues like the wobble, or worse. But if you bought a bike in a box from China, and don't know how to service it, or ensure it is put together properly, shame on you. My recommendation if you are looking for that type of service it to buy a bike from a local shop that will hold your hand when your brakes squeal and they'll fix it. they can fix your flat, adjust your derailleur, setup your suspension for your weight and riding style/preference. Heck you can even have them put it together or give it a once over if you did it (maybe they will... Ask before you take it in there haha). But the clanking noise in the video when shaking the bike not moving says something's loose. That should be fixed first... Then show me again. Not all wobbles can be fixed for a specific rider & bike. I've owned more than one bike that wobbled for me and not my buddy when he rides it. Weight distribution & physics. The bike might not be right for everyone based on those factors.

[@StayConnectedEV]

It’s a $2200 bike. It shouldn’t do it

[@Tbonezx11]

@@StayConnectedEV I bought a $4k specialized vado 4.0 from an authorized dealer... That bike, professional built, and a name brand with history... And that bike did it. So much that I returned it. That's not a product defect! That was a product misalignment. I videoed it, they worked on the bike. They replaced the bike ... Weight distribution & physics ... Not a critical design flaw... Unless it happens to everyone. Not to say that anyone who experiences that wobble when RIDING the bike (not inducing the wobble) should just live with it. Like I said I returned my Vado - a $4k bike shouldn't do that! And agreed, a$2k bike shouldn't either. So I go back to... Is the bike properly assembled? If it is rattling when you shake it... Something is loose. Fix that first and come talk to me.... Might STILL be an issue... Return the bike. Expectations are a bit too high I think on DTC products & customer service ... It's not like buying something from Apple. Btw, my 80s Raleigh Technium 440 had a wicked wobble too at high speed ... Not a defective product.

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

Open your eyes then, it's obviously more than that. The frame design is fucked to say it lightly!

[@briansnow9942]

Wired would not Guarantee their bike would not wobble they told me just to tighten the stem bolts I said will you pay for return shipping they said they would not I canceled my bike and bought another manufacturer The bolt should be tight from the factory

[@StayConnectedEV]

He’s doing a recall

[@JasonJenkins-fp2vx]

You all need a steering damper. 25 bucks, no more wobble.

[@StayConnectedEV]

find one please

[@JasonJenkins-fp2vx]

@@StayConnectedEV e bike guy on u tube puts them on all his bikes. You can find them on his channel.

[@JasonJenkins-fp2vx]

@@StayConnectedEV e bike guy. On u tube.

[@spidermight8054]

I just got the Wired Freedom 5 days ago. Death wobble terrible. At any speed. Took rear battery off, problem solved. But FUCK THAT! Freedom's website suggests 10-15 psi in tires. The tire suggests it can go much higher. I went to 28 psi, tube popped (stock tube, Wired owes me a pair of underwear)!. New tube, 25 psi, death wobble gone.Period.

[@StayConnectedEV]

A lot of work

[@spidermight8054]

@@StayConnectedEV Agreed

[@spidermight8054]

@@StayConnectedEV But, after fixing back tire tube, pumped to ~13 psi. Death wobble was horrible! Dangerous! Took rear battery out, problem mostly solved. BUT, pumped tires to 25 psi, as Freedom says to do when you inquire about death wobble via e-mail, regardless that page 13 of owner’s manual says not to go over or under 12-15 psi, and wobble solved, with or without back battery.

[@dialy1]

The rear battery on the Wired Freedom weighs close to 15 lbs. It is the only cause of the wobble. Solution: take off the battery if you want to ride with your hands off the handlebars. There will be absolutely zero wobble. If you want the extra range, keep the rear battery and keep your hands on the handlebars. I think that the e cells bike, fitted with the same rear rack battery, will wobble just the same.

[@trsdamocles]

First off, should you really have your kid on the back? Be a little more responsible. Chis crossed had a Senada which he had added a second battery on the back and it also caused the death wobble. That Senada did not have rear suspension. I think the added weight along with the geometry of the bike causes this.

[@StayConnectedEV]

Yes you should

[@trsdamocles]

@@StayConnectedEV I don't think that bike was designed for a kid on back

[@IMBruceECLECTIC]

Great video!

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thank you Bruce!!

[@hottamalekid3502]

This looks to be a careless, dangerous and irresponsible fundamental design flaw. In a rush to outdo their competition, they rushed and cut corners to deliver a dangerous product to market. And I hear the controller exceeds motor voltage limitations too. Not good.

[@StayConnectedEV]

I hope you are wrong for everyone's safety.

[@randallhack4477]

They're both rushing to outdo eachother. Avoid both and stick with the Aerial Rider Kepler for $1499 ;-)

[@leonardomohammed5318]

They never said keep it at 25psi it says "at least 25 PSI..." This entire video is supposet to be what news or scare tactics to promote a bias?

[@StayConnectedEV]

Want to bet? That was directly from their website.

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

go buy one then

[@brett7740]

Takes hands off and jerks handlebar ...

[@StayConnectedEV]

Eh?

[@supercraps6110]

Simple solution to the wired freedom wobble, Don't buy it. The rear suspension on the 5-Star by Ecells is much stronger and better for the bikes performance..

[@StayConnectedEV]

That’s a choice if you want

[@Sherman1862]

"Note to Self & Tip of The Day"... Hold on to the Handlebars, that is what they are there for... Result: No "Death Wobble'... lol ; )

[@StayConnectedEV]

That’s not solution.

[@Alpha550]

I bought the Wired Cruiser in October. I love my bike. I have no wobble or any other problems with it. You need to set up the suspension correctly.

[@StevenFranklin-v1m]

I have the bike I agree

[@kdscrapping4452]

the Rack on that bike looks Cheap , could be part of the problem !!

[@StayConnectedEV]

Not sure hope it’s something easy

[@diegocastillo5400]

Damn! I just bout this ebike.

[@colorado75h91]

Ecells sells a stable frame bike.

[@ghoul114]

All fat tire e-bikes for the most part have a death wobble. You’re making a big deal out of nothing ask anybody that has a fat tire Ebike and mostly the front fat tire bikes have a death wobble. There’s nothing you can do about it. You’re over exaggerating.. do you know what works? Don’t take your hands off the handlebars and you won’t have a problem.

[@kevincrump5861]

My ecells doesn't....

[@ghoul114]

@@kevincrump5861 I have an ecells super monarch 1500 and it does…bad

[@Daveyoung-wc6fj]

that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard, you have no idea what you are talking about.

[@LarrysViews]

You must be riding some junk brands!

[@SirWrecksy]

@@ghoul114 bullshit I got 14,600 miles on a juiced rip current s and I strap a battery on the luggage rack. Guess what? No flex

[@pastmasters9591]

All Ebikes do that when you take your hands off

[@StayConnectedEV]

@@pastmasters9591 incorrect.

[@CNclov2005]

I agree.

[@jeffbeagan6259]

Watch citizen cycle wobble investigation video it's all in the weight of the second battery in the back watch to the end he makes other bikes instantly wobble as well when adding 10 lb to the back

[@StayConnectedEV]

Wrong. The Ecells dual star doesn’t.

[@jeffbeagan6259]

@@StayConnectedEV maybe e cells did some better engineering good for them, doesn't mean the prognosis wrong . Watch the video with the wired with 2 batteries wobble he takes the battery off no wobble. Them puts a second dummy battery on other random brands and they also wobble

[@lido81jr]

Wired is installing a hellbender 70 visco for free

[@StayConnectedEV]

Recall

[@jcolt84]

It’s ecells for the win!!

[@landscapingspecialist]

It’s junk. I’d never buy it after seeing this. No way in he🏒🏒

[@StayConnectedEV]

Thank you I just posted an update video