Wired Predator: Off Road Testing

[@aircav1182]

I would like them to come up with a throttle that has a smoother power delivery as opposed to the on/off feeling.

[@TunaSoda]

You just get used to it, I have total control over nuance with my 2024+

[@corywebb5537]

100% agree the dead space and the slight delay in the throttle.Really messes me up especially off road

[@Trailtested]

Is that why I can never find anybody taking these bikes off road because they’re afraid of getting them dirty? Lol good vid

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@Trailtested haha yes! I hate getting mine muddy. I'm not a big off-road Rider

[@Truth_Spoken]

@Trailtested that’s why I watch your channel. My freedom see’s a lot of off-road riding.

[@TunaSoda]

I take my 24+ on mountain bike trails all the time, if it is muddy or wet at all I just don't go out :)

[@Trailtested]

@@TunaSoda ya I go around puddles sometimes:)

[@Trailtested]

@@Truth_Spoken Your are a Hero 🫡 Full Sends!

[@TeddyBear-lb9ho]

Wired Predator owner here. These bikes don't have enough suspension for serious offroading. They can do it but you have to go slow otherwise you'll bottom out the suspension. The front forks are good to go but the rear shock is really only fit for road bumps.

[@sgtchitt1]

Great video bryan , iam loving my predator. I get about 45mph on smooth polar bear tires i purchased off fat tire house. I weight 160, they most i can get without pedaling , throttle only is 47.1 MPH downhill. I think this is all the bike will allow, which to me is damn fast. Please get that front tire fixed before something happens. Be cafeful and STAY WIRED :)

[@jfly2249]

I’d bet the next batch of Predators will be dramatically different than the current model, it certainly is Wired’s history. Whatever people think they are getting, it will actually be much better.

[@J.D.Vision]

E-Cells already updated the 5-Star's design for 2025 with integrated battery. So im guessing WIRED will update their design as well.

[@jfly2249]

E cells is such a mess with extremely confusing overpriced, underpowered offerings. Really feels like some slimy car salesman trying to hard sell you and screw you over. You are relying on the reputation of the Owner and company to handle your pre order and then warranty these expensive bikes. E cells gets an F from the BBB and is likely under investigation for tax fraud and not returning people’s money after canceling their orders. E cells still has not shipped a single “Monster” even though they have been holding people’s money (or spending it on new bikes) for many, many months. Wired announced and then delivered the Predator in one month.

[@jfly2249]

E cells is just regurgitating its old frames with a 60v 40amp system. Can’t believe they haven’t upped the power. They are going to get lapped again.

[@1bottlefed]

Front wheel traction control. An easy thing for someone with controller building skills would be to make a simple comparator circuit that would track the RPM of the two motors and anytime the rear report was higher than the front it would either reduce or interrupt the signal to the front controller.....it would also probably be pretty easy to make the amount of interaction user adjustable so that when riding on the street in rain you could set it very aggressive but when playing around in a straight line you could just let it spin. And yeah as aircav said a linear throttle instead of the on/off type they come stock with.

[@Bustadhed]

Great video , so look forward to all the upgraded Wired bikes along with the other new bikes

[@mickster1780]

what a bike! looks like a heck of a lot of fun

[@CitizenCycle925]

It definitely is!

[@cosmodave69]

Yes it is....not for jumping or high speed bumps though

[@GlobalCop]

I've definitely settled on keeping my wired freedom in follow mode. I really like being able to just keep the throttle full and adjust my speed by moving up and down the power settings.

[@realeyesrealizereallies6828]

Wouldn't call it dumbing it down, I would call it learning to ride it..That's a sweet bike..

[@gottfriedneumeister2196]

Can you have customized / split PA settings between front and back? Like on your hill climb, or extended driveways on hillside properties, say: Half of your chosen PA setting in the front to prevent spinning?

[@jodythomas]

Great video. I wish I were tall enough to get one of these. My 2024+ Cruiser is great though. In fact, I've been using the throttle follow and the pedal assist modes at 33%, 50%, 66, 85%, & 100%. Even though it's not the Predator, it makes the bike easier to control in certain circumstances like at a park with kids around, etc.

[@ashberger2717]

Most AWD eBikes have two controllers. One for the front motor and one for the rear, so why not have a separate throttle for the front motor on the other side of the handlebar? That way you have ultimate control over both wheels in any situation or conditions. Rain hail or shine, off-road, uphills, on beach sand, anywhere. That's what I did with my bike that has 1,000 W front and rear. Works great!

[@thepubliceye]

These are the e-bikes that will get tough e-bike laws.

[@michaelcharach]

At 1/12th power it’s almost legal in Canada.

[@CHRISTSALVATION]

I own a Predator bike. I agree with you about the fender. I put electrical tape where the metal rods contact the suspension. Less tinging sound when it hits. I changed out my tires. I have the HEB Allscape tires with the Tannus Armor. Alot better for control. I get less wheel spin and better traction in all. I wish an extra battery didn't cost over $800.00+tax for one battery. Rear battery isn't available, only the 1200w battery. I also added the Suntour suspension seat post with Cloud 9 seat. With all these upgrades installed. My bike does feel a little bit heavier but more solid.

[@Bikeemail]

Ridiculous to have to spend all that money to make a bike that you paid over $2000 for, efficient and comfortable to ride. Should be that way in the first place. It's just a bike, and all the China made components are cheap in bulk. Mass profit. Wired doesn't even include a horn, just a cheap bell worth only pennies.

[@cosmodave69]

​@@BikeemailThe whole thing is probably assembled in china

[@TheReefPimp]

I used a piece of bungy cord anchored to the front fender rear support then to the front shock bracket. It's silent. No contact of anything. I have a black predator & the bungy is black. Can't even notice it

[@CHRISTSALVATION]

@TheReefPimp mine is white. Lol, definitely see the bungee cord on my bike.

[@daniellarusso8012]

I've got a 2024+ Wired Freedom and if you use the throttle while pedaling it gives you full power even if you're in 'throttle follow' PAS 1. It's surprising when you're not expecting it, but once you're accustomed to that characteristic it can be useful for immediate boost.

[@markborao6144]

Good video and thanks for sharing. Bike has a lot of power and interest from all of us. Thanks for showing that front fender design and implementation. That's nuts CitizenCycle.......Hard to believe that design ships on a $4k bike sold to the public. You are probably better off just removing it so it doesn't damage your forks any further.

[@kl3664]

I'd imagine they will continue to work kinks out and get more and more customer feedback to make a great bike even better, such as a smoother power delivery. I am excited for the future of ebikes in general. Do it yourself or branded, they are only getting cheaper, more powerful and faster. All the competition with this frame (I know of 3 companies now that use it) so I will hold off and enjoy my normal Wired Freedom I got 4 months ago until I want to upgrade. Possibly late 2025. Excited for the future.

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

They need to make a step through predator

[@TheTcat1000]

I believe you already did😮

[@kenn1320]

Im actually surprised by the results. I bought the grolar based on your recommendation and have been very happy with it. Ive noticed it modulates the power and when I spoke with them, they said its based off wheel speed and throttle input. So you dont get full power to the front wheel on a hill initially, but as you are climbing if needed, it ramps it in. As you were finding with the predator, strategic tuning would really help this bike.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@kenn1320 yes that Birch Grolar was a really nice off road bike, glad you are happy with it. This Predator definitely needs independent front wheel programming

[@adamwaterhouse7412]

One thing I would definitely add would be turn signals. Strange as that sounds, it's an important thing for me as I live in a part of Semi-urban Los Angeles where every bit of safety kit counts. I'm still not decided on the Aniioki A8 ProMax DM vs Wired Cruiser w/Citizen FWD Kit. I know they are very different bikes, but both seem to have a lot of strengths as urban commuters. I'd like to lean toward Wired (seems like better overall quality and real response from mfr for issues as they come up), but a thing as small as turn signals are an issue. I know after market ones can be had, but in my experience, these tend to be pretty unreliable and I would not like to have safety related lighting that doesn't run off the bike's actual battery.

[@bojebikes]

Awesome testing! Great video! 👍

[@tentman4fun]

I think I'll just wait on the changes

[@marknewman2683]

I'm wondering if you had more weight on that front wheel if it wouldn't give more traction

[@tommygreist9560]

I have a dual tt ebike 26" She crawls through everything,I'm in Florida swamp roads,mud,sand.

[@TheTcat1000]

E cells battery. You just turn the key in one direction let go of it and then pull the battery out. I contacted Wired about that they told me to make my own handle.

[@TunaSoda]

If I could only recommend one single thing to make the bike better off-road it would be to ditch the rack setup completely, night and day better for handling trails. (and there IS quick connect molex plugs under the frame in wire shrink)

[@Timbodacious]

Yeah that front wheel spin blows lol. It almost wants to make me run two very thin throttles side by side so i can rock my thumb back and forth across both of them to add power to the front wheel manually. It would cost wired some extra money but since the front hub motor is geared they could change the internal gearing ratio to lower the off the line torque by about 10% and not have to mess with expensive controller upgrades.

[@MickyBee73]

It's an e-Beast ⚡🚲⚡ I love it!! Great Vid! 🚲👍⚡

[@majflip6610]

That wheel bounce is because the bead is not seated correctly on the rim. I have the same problem on both wheels on my '24 cruiser. I put new tubes in them & the bike shop couldn't get them to seat. The did everything they could think of to fix it but to no avail! I talked to you about this problem when I put Flat-out in both wheels. If you figure it out please share! TY 👍🇺🇸

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@majflip6610 I'm going to have to investigate this on mine and let you know what I find

[@54john2]

Are you going to do a video on the Furious EMX-One 60v 1000w.. there is no videos on that one..I am trying to decide which one to buy the EMX One 60v or the EMX Ultimate 60v 750w dual motor. I had the Fabulous EMX Xtreme 60v dual motor and sold it a month ago.

[@NuukWarchuk]

The EMX suspension is in a class all by itself compare to wired, having the rear fender bolted to the rear rack makes it run with no noise and incredible softness. The torque sensors would eat up the off road as well because of the sensitivity.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I do not have the EMX one on my review schedule

[@54john2]

@@CitizenCycle925 ok thanks let’s hope you do in the near future.

[@rogerkerkmann]

How much air you running in tires?

[@CitizenCycle925]

usually about 20psi

[@tuesday07021963]

Hey man, I have a HovAlpha, that stopped working. I think it's the controller. I was thinking I can get a bigger controller, and a bigger motor. (1500 watt at last) Do you have the controller and rear Hub Motor (Fat tire)

[@CitizenCycle925]

Sorry to hear your bike is down. I have a 45a controller no idea if all the plugs would match up to your HovAlpha, most likely not. At this time I do not sell Rear motors.

[@DJAudioLegacy]

Waiting for you’re front wheel motor kit that utilizes the 2 batteries on the Cruiser without the 3rd battery.

[@blown9646]

Did the rear rack mount welds survive and not break yet?

[@tmoosetrax]

What does it feel like doing 40+ mph on a bike compared to your motorcycle?

[@CitizenCycle925]

much different, i never really worry on my motorcycle no matter the speed, but on a bicycle i feel like 45mph is pushing the limits. Tires are my biggest worry. None of them have any speed ratings on the sidewalls but I dont think all these bike tires (chaoyang, kenda, CST, Innova, etc) are rated to go this fast.

[@nziegler24]

Great review! I live in Clayton VERY close to where you are testing. Do you have any issues with local law enforcement on the roads?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@nziegler24 they never seem to pay attention to me

[@paulmichaels3311]

Brian I am ready to buy your kit already just need a front hub motor rated for 60 volts. If you think about it people with 5 stars and wired need a front hub motor to match the speed of the rear and that will run of their rear rack battery. I watched a guy take your kit and run it on 60 volts on a wired and he easily hit 43 seems just about on par with the predator give or take. Does your kit hentach motor have the steel reinforced nylon gears? If it does I am okay with rolling the dice and running your kit at 60 volts anyways good video and information!

[@CitizenCycle925]

@paulmichaels3311 yes my motor has the steel reinforced gears. I am considering making a Wired specific 60v 1000w or 1500w front motor kit that can plug into the rear battery pack but it will be months before I can get it in the states.

[@TheTcat1000]

Just in time for the spring-summer!…do it Bryan!… you know I’m in!

[@paulmichaels3311]

@@CitizenCycle925 Oh man if Hentach let you sell the 1500watt version that would be insane I don't think that motor would fit on rst guide forks you would have to get bigger dropouts I think? Please start selling the 1500watt hentach front motor kit or tell me who sell them lol im begging pls!!

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

I run his motor on 60v no problems at all

[@paulmichaels3311]

@@Ebikepowerlevel5 Yea you are the person I was talking about running this on 60 volts. I think with the steel reinforced gears you should be able to possibly get away with it. I have seen bafang motors with nylon gears be over volted even Bryans, citizen cycle with nylon gears he over volted from 48 to 52 not as big of a jump but the steel gears make me think it can handle it. I will be looking at your channel keeping an eye on that bike. I plan on doing the same setup you did except on a 5 star thanks for doing this for science lol.

[@corywebb5537]

I'm in the country.I always go off road

[@hickokaviation2249]

If you feel comfortable, try not to deweight the bike by putting your feet down. You should stand up so you have more weight and pressure on the wheels. Your legs act as extra suspension and you can be more dynamic with your body weight. Thanks for the videos!

[@BeautyBeastRC]

Busted the screw hole on my front fender and had to take it off but it did suck. My only complaints about the bike are the front fender and the fact it has same battery size as the other models. The chan skips on gear 7 which sucks too but I still love mine though and considering a third battery as well. As a large rider I want to also say I think something like the predator is necessary. When I turn the front motor off I'm not impressed with the torque or acceleration. I would have been disappointed if I bought the freedom while the predator makes me happy with both motors on. Definitely not overkill if you're a big guy.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@BeautyBeastRC that is very true. I'm a relatively light rider. If I was 280 lb and carrying cargo the power would probably feel more appropriate

[@BrettWoodBiking]

What happens if you stand up and lean over the handlebars on initial acceleration to give it more grip?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@BrettWoodBiking while you have the power tuned way down putting some weight over the handlebars would probably help traction. when the power is tuned up there's nothing you can do to prevent wheel spin 😁

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

Citizen if you made a 1500w motor i would by it

[@TheTcat1000]

Put it on your 72 V freedom!

[@Ebikepowerlevel5]

@TheTcat1000 that would be the plan

[@JohnBabcock-qy1cs]

On a bike you should be able to scrape your pedal on the ground at 40 mph around a turn if needed.

[@TeddyBear-lb9ho]

On a bicycle??? That's how you crash.

[@Hoggdoc1946]

Brian, on those hill climbs instead of running 2 Wheel Dr. I would switch to rear wheel drive and give it all the power. That would stop the front end from washing out.

[@BillBadMule123]

OMG Way out of my price range

[@joeysSEMassachusettsWeather]

Too bad you can’t adjust the total power by adjusting a split between the two, it seems it’s at 50/50 I’d like to do 40/60, 40 in the front.

[@rayrussell6258]

On that hillclimb @10:57, wouldn't it be more helpful to switch to rwd so the front wheel doesn't slip sideways? You were basically walking the bike uphill with awd at that point. Same question applies to @11:44. Edit: Yep, after watching the video further on, you anticipated my question. 👍

[@CitizenCycle925]

@rayrussell6258 if I would have flipped the switch to rear wheel only it would have cut the power in half. it wouldn't have had enough power to climb. if the rear wheel was maxed out at 100% power it may have done okay though.

[@rayrussell6258]

@@CitizenCycle925 yep, we would need to anticipate the power needed upon approaching the hill. Gotcha. (although I was talking more about switching where the front began spinning near the hillcrest, but idk if switching to higher power assist and rwd only, simultaneously at the point, is good for the bike and chain)

[@chuckwolf9869]

I think he should have tried it up that leaf covered hill in Walk mode

[@georgesinclair1393]

It needs more sturdy tires! Very thin sidewalls

[@CitizenCycle925]

I agree, I worry about the high speeds on these Kenda tires I might swap them out

[@stephenolotu5588]

Hey citizen what is your normal settings on the regular freedom

[@CitizenCycle925]

what do you mean by Normal? i have my throttle follow off, PAS levels at 15, 35, 60, 80 100, and start strength at 0

[@stephenolotu5588]

@CitizenCycle925 what does start strength mean

[@CitizenCycle925]

@stephenolotu5588 how strong it accelerates

[@stephenolotu5588]

@@CitizenCycle925 so 0 means the fastest?

[@CitizenCycle925]

@stephenolotu5588 yes

[@ttbmg]

I believe the bike would do that off-roading better with knobby tires. Knobbies wouldn't be so great on the road though.

[@josephboscolovich6554]

I do believe if you go off-road with that you're gonna need a better off-road tire and from what I've seen, you can put a motorcycle tire on those wheels.

[@Campfussell]

I need one of those so I can keep up with Debra. She's done made her new Grizzly a pavement princess! LOL No riding it on the farm!

[@ibilyy]

I got EMX based on this channel review. There is so much excitement in these review, on any bikes, that it affects people's decision. These bikes with 1000w+ with torque sensor (which I thought will work similar to mid-drive bikes) have one big flaw nobody talks about - they have %% support of _available_ power. It is NOT based on your power AT ALL. Any pedal effort you do, will get you whatever power it is setup to give. And there is no way to something like - I want to double my effort pedaling, no power meter to decide how to help. I set 0-9 levels with level 1 only 5% and it is still too much and, in case of EMX, throttle is not following level (half-throttle does but twist is short to be accurate). Second flaw is yes, you can pedal, but you will not. I am 5'6 and on tallest setup EMX (stock post 300mm), I am way off from pedal-able seating position. Ordered 350mm seat post and it is still not enough. So, here it is, for anybody who thought they can pedal these ebikes like road/gravel bikes - you will not, because few pedal strokes will give you over 20 mph in seconds, so it is pedal ON / pedal OFF until you get tired of this and just throttle. And setting speed limit (for example those 20 mph) will cut power completely or you will go above safe speed limit. No fitness benefit at all, unless you turn bike off. Yeah, you can go fast, 30,35,38. But why? Is it a drag race with trail squirrels? So far I did not find setting where you can pedal all the time with 20-22 mph in position that will not kill your knees. Please people, you you are thinking about buying these ebikes, ask current owners to try them or try them in bicycle shops. Love my bosch mid-drive even more.

[@MrTimbo17]

Disappointed to read this. My EMX getting delivered tomorrow, and I specifically asked them if I can lower the power to pedal hard and keep the speed down. They said you can. What I wanted was to be able to ride 20-25 MPH for 30-40 miles (dual battery) while pedaling as hard as I could for that distance.

[@NuukWarchuk]

@@MrTimbo17 i think you are very wrong as the EMX is completely adjustable, i ride mine at 12mph and the rest is all me when i want to exercise, not everyone knows how to work the configuration properly, just call the owner he is always around to help set it up if you dont know how.

[@NuukWarchuk]

wow your completely lost because i have the bike and its completely configurable. like i told the other rider i ride at any speed i want and can control the output very easily. There is no other bike as configurable as this. Anyhow why you buy a performance bike is you want to ride slow? Look at it the other way, power on demand to go fast in a heartbeat or lower pressure to slow down. You really need to understand your bike...anyhow you think these predator bikes with no torque sensors are any better? I am 5"10 and i ride with the seat up and have perfect leg extension, probably the best feeling ebike i have ever ridden....you must be trolling.

[@MrTimbo17]

@@NuukWarchuk Good to hear. Mine was delivered today and will take on its maiden voyage tomorrow. Looking forward to putting it through its paces. But I can see it is limited to 20mph from the factory and it appears easy to change the settings back to that for a hard fitness ride

[@NuukWarchuk]

@@MrTimbo17 They were factory set to 32km(canada) or 20mph (USA) these are standard settings, you only need to raise it to 45mph in the settings. I sometimes set level 1 to 8% but leave level 2 to 20% then level 3 to 40%, level 4 to 65% and the 5th level to 100% most times to go slow i go 1 motor on level 1 and i get a lot of work done on my own....i love going front motor with front motor spin to 4 as i find the pull of the bike is very fun...i actually prefer front wheel better than rear....but dual always best. Dont listen to everyone, they buy performance bikes to turn off the motors. They dont realize you can even shift gears to control the pedaling as well. This is the best bike anyone one of my friends and even my wife have ever tried. have fun tomorrow.

[@lostguy2025]

I know what'd be nice. The throttle is really just an off and on switch, right? It'd be nice if it operated by DEGREES, more like a REAL throttle. You CAN get incremental increases in power (or current flow) with the existing set up, but what you're really doing is just taking advantage of short in the system in an effort to indulge in the same effect, right? ... Anyway,... those are my thoughts. P.S. I like the previous fork set up, though I do recognize the need for a stronger for with the additional motor. What do you think. (I liked the freedom of the turn).

[@will6246]

Ha, I was wondering if my comment about moderating wheelspin on the Predator round 2 announcement vid would get a response - turns out they made a whole video. But when testing RWD @ 100% why didn't he use the same hill as the 60% AWD timed test so we could compare the times and see exactly what that 1500 dollar price premium buys us over the Freedom? +3mph top speed isn't cutting it for +50% price.

[@aeestep77]

Try it out on some real hills out on the trails. This could be a great bike for hunting applications

[@lukewalker1051]

This bike will beat both my BBSHD bikes with 52v 30 am controllers. Fastest of the two will do 38-40 mph with a long enough straight...a roadbike with drop handlebar with 28mm wide tires which is very aero with low rolling resistance. I never lose races to ebikes. E-motos with 10K watts will beat me of course. This bike is very strong.

[@ItsMeMrG]

I think the 52v BBSHD has a 28 amp controller, impressive speeds for the efficiency.

[@duanehundley]

Can you ask them to make a 29” wheel 2.5” tire version so we can put on some real mtb tires.

[@CitizenCycle925]

@duanehundley I doubt they will do that. It would probably entail a redesign of the frame to fit those wheels.

[@CitizenCycle925]

I can ask my manufacturer to make an aftermarket solution. would you be okay with 27.5 by 3in?

[@duanehundley]

@@CitizenCycle925 I would want to run something like the Maxxis dhr II and they have a 27.5x 2.8

[@duanehundley]

This goes for all the wired bikes. The balloon fat tires don’t work that well for the mtb trails we have here in California

[@joeysSEMassachusettsWeather]

Going up hill out all the power in the rear

[@robertprestigiacomo4657]

Not trying to be mean, but do you have someone that’s a little less scared of bikes to test it to its full climbing potential. I climb stuff on my Lpqviatas dual motor that you can’t walk up. Just want to see if it’s as powerful as my bike that cost only $1099.00. It does 40mph.

[@BeautyBeastRC]

I'm sure it is, I'm 350lb fatty and my predator moves me up hills easily. Torque is crazy! I can't believe how fast it gets me to max speed too. I do agree with you tho, citizen definitely seem scared of the predator 🤣.

[@cosmodave69]

My pleasure....haven't broke it yet!!!

[@JohnBabcock-qy1cs]

They need dual 1500 motors, Nothing less will get it to 45 plus mph for 20 miles flat ground. How about a single 3,000 watt non geared motor peaking at 5,000? We need more 45 plus mph bikes with flat ground commuting speeds. Blinkers and powerful lighting. Yes, 45 mph in streets with no bike lanes is the sweet spot. 10 miles 45 to 50 mph is a good benchmark. Need to compete with cars in real traffic lanes .

[@TeddyBear-lb9ho]

+1 for a little more speed. Maybe 50 mph top limit. Definitely wear road gear.

[@Ebike_Adventures]

I wish they would make a smaller frame with the same motor specs, or maybe some 20" step thru model with the same spcs. This bike is too huge for short riders to even consider buying.

[@TeddyBear-lb9ho]

I agree. They are pretty large.

[@NuukWarchuk]

go buy the EMX-Ultimate then its the 20" version with dual motors and just as much power.

[@Ebike_Adventures]

@@NuukWarchuk I think that bike is so ugly. Also I'm not a fan of mag wheels and I like that these motors are high quality.

[@NuukWarchuk]

@@Ebike_Adventures everyone has their opinion, but most people are completely opposite to that. and i hardly think predator motors are so high quality. Lets see where spokes are with so much torque after a few thousand miles, then we will compare to mags. But if you want to compare to predator all you have to see is the Road Warrior for looks and performance.

[@cosmodave69]

Been thinking of putting 20 inch tires a skid plate and shorter cranks

[@Silverado2021]

I have watched your videos and have commented. Again Awd on a bike is a waste. I would much rather have a more powerful rear motor only. Not a 1500 watt rated motor with a 50amp controller but a real 3000 watt rated motor with the appropriate matched controller. My wired 24 goes 40mph and has plenty of power for the trails. 1700 miles on it in one year. It’s a solid bike.

[@Trailtested]

Ya i agree I test a lot of rwd bikes and if you know how to just give it and actually ride these bikes, they can do just about everything

[@dresmart432]

Hi! How much do you weight ??

[@DJAudioLegacy]

Better to have it all , it’s there when you need it, he just demonstrated to keep up with traffic as well as off road.

[@brianjennings86]

I agree, when we compare to the path of e-motos they are continuing to ramp up the power to the rear motor with better suspension and have insane acceleration and ride performance. Would be nice to follow that path instead.

[@Silverado2021]

Average ​@@dresmart432

[@tonyhunter6397]

Let some air out of the tires for trails.

[@rvboondocker2559]

Al gore ithm 😊

[@bobbybecker80]

Good test, and you proved why hub motors and off road riding are incompatible. I hope none of your teeth rattled out. However, it would be interesting to see what would happen with good suspension components.

[@Altema22]

It's was more a case of proving that bike with that riding style is incompatible with off-roading. I ride single track MBTs all the time with a single rear hub motor, and it does nicely. Matter of fact, I was uninvited from meet ups with a bunch of guys, after I easily did a hill that their BBS02 and BBSHD could not climb.

[@ThomasMincarelli-fj8cu]

I fixed the rattle of the front fender forward support with a zip tie on each side to the shock…no problem or need for any other change.

[@darrylphillips6301]

Man these bikes look so much better than these grandpa looking fenders they put on them

[@cosmodave69]

Would

[@sammyjames1929]

Bryan thats 2 segments about neutering the predator. Come on Buddy lets see a Full Send Segment. Full Send that Predator Hoogicorn Ebike!😈

[@CitizenCycle925]

@sammyjames1929 i agree! Time to show more of what it's capable of!!

[@bassw1758]

Front motor works against you on the trails, specially on the climbs

[@st1nkh3ad]

lord haha this is why awd ebikes are just not sane we do not have awd motorcyles for a reason its almost hilarious. I crack myself up on our awd all the time

[@jasonkrantz8946]

Duel throttle to sperate motors

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

Considering that there's ebike laws restricting them to 750W (USA), 500W (Canada) and 250W (UK), I'm wondering the usefulness of reviews of high powered Ebikes. Just for discussion. My Ebike is going to be illegal when I get the money to replace the motor.

[@BeautyBeastRC]

Seems useful to me, idgaf about what the laws are and cops are not going to be checking people ebikes for how many watts it has.

[@18andlikeit]

​@@BeautyBeastRC the cops will probably be checking your bike out when you're doing 40+mph right in the traffic lane, and not pedaling with no licence plates.

[@BeautyBeastRC]

@@18andlikeit I see a cop maybe once a day if that. I've never seen one while on my bike. I just saw like 8 teens having a group ride all riding around on surrons and moped ebikes without a care in the world. I think cops have more important things to do then worry about your ebike. Unless you're being a tool obviously. Maybe I'm just lucky I live in Colorado.

[@chuckwolf9869]

They need to change the laws so that wattage doesn't matter as long as the ebike has functioning pedals that work in conjunction with the motor.

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

@@chuckwolf9869 I agree. Pedals and speed limit are reasonable, but power isn't. low powered e-bikes can be a frustration if one lives in a hilly area or wants to tow a trailer. I don't mind the speed limit for areas where people work or live, but I live in a hilly area and use my bike for shopping. I don't think I'm the only one. And, if more powerful bikes were legal, more people would use them instead of a car.

[@blakewallo2201]

All they need to do is make it a 72v system and run the same amount of power or more through a single motor. More volts makes it easier to run more power. Why pay for power you cant use plus add weight.

[@michaelmccullough7309]

Turn signals

[@Truth_Spoken]

Dual motor sucks for off-road riding, just spins and tears everything up, while making it harder to keep from falling. Glad I bought the Freedom.

[@alexchan3727]

Now do it on dirt bike

[@CitizenCycle925]

@@alexchan3727 if I had one..

[@TheCartographeraoe]

If they program out some traction control for that front wheel spin yhere will be no reason to buy any other bike

[@rvboondocker2559]

Going up that hill the second time it looked like you only had front motor running? Seems like you should have less front motor and more rear motor. Somehow, I guess per your recommendation. I’m not done with the video yet, but maybe you should just try that Hill rear motor only.

[@johnrose9840]

Those are not off-road tires those are definitely street tires