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[@alexinator-hh5fe]

She did not have to cook her like that. Didn't even add any seasoning either, just threw her right into the fire. Maybe she can be used in one of Cindy's cooking videos now.

[@withcindy]

the roast was immaculate

[@KimPenny]

@@withcindy just to try to y red St ar

[@ohnobro9621]

S-Tier roast

[@littlemayo7136]

That wasn't even a rose I can tell you how to professional drag stollar that she flat-out read her like an open hand book she read her like her script she read her like a character description

[@Sammy-yf2sb]

PLS WHAT IS THIS-

[@aliciaunwin]

I love how the Asian girl actually talks about her life issues and doesn’t just sweep it under the rug so she can put up with the main lead’s shizzz

[@yuh1545]

i’m so glad she talked about that stuff

[@ellie19918]

claudia had major social anxiety and vivian just expected her to be all out spoken

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

@@yuh1545 Respect for that

[@cniknik9863]

They call a male feminist a "white knight" or a "simp" all the time online but if he's not doing it just to get in some lady's pants or manipulate, he's just a good person. A true ally.

[@illustryfe5354]

Exactly 😏

[@elizrebezilmadommdo1662]

Tbh when I was watching the movie, I thought that was going to be the case. I thought there would be a twist where we would later find out that he wasn't a feminist after all and only did these things so that he'd get women's attention. I'm glad that wasn't case.

[@serena612]

Ya I really liked the way they showed that men can be feminists too

[@HenshinHeroesMedia]

What do you all male allies towards feminism when they need an excuse to kick sexist butt and other individuals who are some kind of phobic?

[@hat7475]

@@HenshinHeroesMedia i- I can't comprehend what you just said 😭

[@Aster_Risk]

As a white woman who grew up being little miss social justice and wanting to join every club (Gay-Straight Alliance, Human Rights Club, etc.) and save everyone, it was good to see the main character getting called out.

[@sarcasm8007]

There's a girl in my high school who is like this, she has good intentions but she comes across as downright annoying. I remember in like a group support group I vented about being stalked because I was gay and she rambled to me about how it was okay and that she was proud, and that she supported me and I was just like "um, thanks but I don't remember asking for your validation..." As if I I owed her any sort of explanation of my sexuality in the first place. 💀😶

[@winterwonderland1491]

I am the white girl who is becoming little miss. social justice and I know I am but I don't know how to stop. So any advice?

[@sarcasm8007]

@@winterwonderland1491 Look at it from an outsiders perspective. Don't overstep boundaries, it's okay to support others but don't be obnoxious about it.

[@Me-wx1mt]

As the gay, Asian best friend, *augh*

[@Labinzel]

@@winterwonderland1491 Honestly just listen to other people and be open to criticism

[@jerxiong5541]

When the best friend called her out, about whiteness, and also said "because I'm not a coward unlike you"--my life changed. That was incredible. When was the last time a movie called out whiteness like this from an Asian person? Damn.

[@withcindy]

it was very satisfying to watch indeed

[@mrsnufkinsan]

Sry for being weird but i just wanted to say i find you beautiful

[@theautismrizzler]

When was the last time a movie called out whiteness PERIOD. I seriously cannot think of one!

[@kevxxxedge]

Perfect timing as well. And I don't mean in the movie. I mean in the world.

[@Network-yp8de]

damn straight

[@lokiehigh8732]

You punching a guy in the face because he was seuxally harassing you just because he had a crush on you is a mood

[@withcindy]

and i'd do it again POW POW!

[@misssteak1290]

Same. I remember in middle school this guy kept asking me out after i repeatedly rejected him. One time i snapped and suddenly i was the bad guy for like 2 weeks because everyone loved him

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Yup. Cannot stand that bs

[@ggundercover3681]

@@misssteak1290 haha gotta love ppl's stupidity amiright.

[@tazariarobinson5666]

Oddly enough I relate to that so much. I had to do it twice.

[@spiteandcoldbrew]

How dare you not mention the biggest male ally in this movie, the guy from the printer store 😤

[@glossyraspberries9124]

Stan the guy from the printer store

[@kssafoo]

i love frank

[@reginarodriguez1477]

stan printer store man for clear skin

[@relaxolotl788]

he's legit the most important person like he never told anyone who made moxie

[@kssafoo]

@@relaxolotl788 and they forgot he existed like i want a movie with all the side character that got throw out the window because the main character didn't interact with them anymore

[@D3niz3n]

I really like that the transgender character was just...there. She was just a person, as it should be.

[@RandomFinds.c]

I think the same. They all project the LGBT+ character like the only thing they have is their sexuality to be interesting, which is not.

[@jgalletta]

It’s cool that she was there for the sake of being one of the friend group, but I would have liked a side story that went a little deeper into her character. They centered a lot of problems young women face and were intersectional with racial issues, but I think there was a missed opportunity to explore a trans woman’s perspective.

[@bigclitenergy]

@@jgalletta yeah but idk I think it's nice that they made a trans gender character without making their entire existence about them just being trans for once

[@oyinkansolaadebajo9716]

@@jgalletta Yes! Also the disabled character, as a black disabled woman I was a bit disappointed by that.

[@kennynelson7585]

they did nothing with her character, i don’t even remember seeing her. not the rem y’all think it is.

[@leonthelad3208]

"We heard your silence LOUD and CLEAR, but also it is interwoven with cultural dynamics that can make it very difficult, and it is a very nuanced situation, so I understand your situation." bruh I'm dead

[@withcindy]

gotta stay balanced bro

[@savannamitchell3278]

@@withcindy are you a libra? 😂

[@xxireneangelxx5904]

i saw this comment right as cindy was saying it

[@natalieadams3463]

They knew what they were doing when they wrote Seth as a feminist skater boy who wears rings and calls people out on their bs

[@maferzamudiobermejo1594]

I knowwwwww

[@kevxxxedge]

AND he has a good tre-flip!

[@spookyho5994]

yessss

[@hannah-fg5vo]

@@kevxxxedge the guy who plays him is a popular skater!

[@krishankalia9990]

Wait I'm confused... I just watched the movie can someone explain this to me?

[@empressmarowynn]

I spent like a whole decade in school being bullied and harassed. And the school's response was always "oh he just has a crush on you." Dude, tying rubber bands in my hair, spitting chewed up crayons at me, and telling his friends how many fingers he thinks he can shove inside me is not the way to go about expressing a crush, and these incidents were all different boys. And I always physically fought back which meant I was constantly in trouble, but never the boys. It took me putting two of them in the hospital for it to finally stop instead of the school putting an end to it years earlier like it should have. But we need to defend the fragile egos of white men because they're the most important.

[@cameerkat]

yes. this.

[@cornedbread3669]

@@brolly2612 yeah yeah, we know bro. Women can harrass people as well which is equally as bad. But OP never said Women can’t do wrong, she was just calling out the school for not wanting to take repsonsibility. Hell the same would probably happen anyway in the school if the genders were switched since it seems their standards are so broken they probably wouldn’t care either way.

[@cheriremily9360]

@@brolly2612 I'm sorry that happened to you. Sexual assault is wrong no matter the gender of the molester.

[@sofiaboo6739]

@@brolly2612 women can be bad too but she's sharing her experience as a girl being harassed by boys so you couldn't expect her to say "oh, but women harass men too" it doesn't even make sense in that context

[@sofiaboo6739]

I'm so sorry you had to go through that, I hate that schools all over the world still do stuff like that, it's 2021, this kind of attitude is long overdue

[@Griggyboy7030]

I loved that the main character was almost acting like a white savior for a bit it made it more realistic because all white people have to realize their privilege at some point now that she has she can start her growth

[@Aster_Risk]

I think that bit is important for so many white girls and women to see.

[@Akihito007]

Yea not like white people had to bust their asses off and invented almost every modern invention that everyone else relies on. If white people didn’t have to prop up everyone else while being bashed for it, MAYBE they wouldn’t be so mad for the West being bashed for being so great. EVERYONE who lives in America is privileged!

[@user-xr4nw3pt2v]

@@Akihito007 bro have you read a SINGLE book on history in your life that wasn't about how great white people are???

[@Akihito007]

@@user-xr4nw3pt2v Considering I went to University for History, white people HAVE been great in creating the West, the BEST society in the WORLD! North America, Oceania and Europe have the best GDP WORLDWIDE while Asia and Africa are the lowest. Africa is so dirt poor compared to the rest of the world that most of them are LUCKY to work all day for $1 a day. The West and white people have uplifted BILLIONS out of abject poverty just from our free market capitalism, inventions, medical knowledge and discoveries and on and on.

[@cloudzero3674]

@@Akihito007jesus christ bro calm tf down 💀

[@cLeVeRbOoKwOrM123]

Vivian trying to make her bff wear spaghetti straps is like telling a muslim girl to wear the same top and then be upset with her if she doesn't - we all show solidarity in different ways.

[@withcindy]

PERIODDDD

[@sans-ii1yc]

Apparently this school doesn't have Muslims btw and also people who just don't like showing skin because everyone wore it. EXCEPT ONE GIRL

[@cLeVeRbOoKwOrM123]

@@sans-ii1yc I think forcing someone to do something they are uncomfortable with is wrong.

[@jina8960]

i was gonna comment this i'm so glad you did thank you for mentioning it

[@sans-ii1yc]

@@cLeVeRbOoKwOrM123 no no that legit what I meant that they called out Claudia whereas so many people wouldn't have worn spighetti tops - (I was being sarcastic in the last part of that sentence - lmao sorry)

[@AyaKay413]

I swear I was almost crying when I saw Seth. They finally have a Asian male lead in a teen movie who ISNT EMASCULATED.😭 And he supports her so much and actually calls her out on her bs when sh*t goes wrong.

[@thgritic102]

Leave to a non-romance focus movie to do romance with a male character RIGHT! I was scared they were going to make his character horrible, but no he was amazing while calling out the main chick on her BS without sounding like a prick. I want more of him!

[@seeexy]

♡ aww this is such a cute coment

[@cameerkat]

the asian love interests always end up not working out too!!!

[@Iquey]

@@thgritic102 yeah I'm glad about this too. It shows you can speak up and defend yourself without being completely horrible. Seth is actually based.

[@cierram8019]

I am IN LOVE with him

[@MrIcarusEl]

I really appreciate the whole "quietly rebel" thing they had with Claudia. As someone who is a major introvert and gets uncomfortable and anxious during social interactions, I really appreciated that they mentioned you don't have to be loud and in your face to rebel or fight for a cause.

[@SingingSuperstar28]

I mean someone has to take care of the administrative things and that's gonna be people like us 😉

[@giovannirafael5351]

Yes I felt seen.

[@mariakara2419]

yesss i appreciate that

[@nindie]

Yeah I relate to her

[@Bexdiggy]

I think that the protagonist being white also helps to show the difference between the lengths women of color have to go to just to fight for what’s right, while the main character got away unpunished for the rebellion. It’s literally how society works, it’s an interesting way of showing how modern feminism favors the white woman to represent the movement, even though those who struggle the most are woc.

[@underrated3145]

F*cking facts

[@glossyraspberries9124]

Exactly.

[@wolfidessdragondol]

PREACH

[@notzoitsa8261]

THIS

[@goldenbunnies4143]

PREACH

[@luis.santosc]

the “you don’t get what’s going on with me bc you’re white” line got me fucking goosebumps omg

[@withcindy]

RIGHTTTTT

[@lia1tan]

Man I really wish I had the guts to say that sometimes. Like when I had some of my students being racist to me and when I told about it to my colleagues they just told me that they’re just kids (in high school) and I shouldn’t care what a bunch of teenagers say to me since I’m the adult. Like fuck that shit. I wish I could’ve said that but I was so frustrated and angry that I cried.

[@lesbiangoddess290]

I mean fucking correct.

[@mayakane9978]

@@lia1tan I'm really sorry, people need to remember that hurting other people doesn't require an age. I hope its going better for you.

[@KazKindred613]

@@lia1tan Honestly, you’re a teacher and they should not be allowed to say that to you. There are probably students in the class who would love to see an authority figure stand up for not being insulted. Try to tell them calmly but firmly that that type of language is not acceptable in your class, and if you have to give them detention or something. Because that is not acceptable.

[@sydneyfreund3933]

claudia calling out vivian for saying “you didn’t have to get involved” when vivian almost dropped her for not getting involved was so important

[@withcindy]

EXACTLYYYYY

[@emojis_withlove6219]

that is so true!

[@Sammy-dq6wt]

I really like the fact that Vivian didn't shut down after receiving criticism from her POC friends. I think it's really easy to be self-centered in that moment and hate yourself for being a bad person, but Vivian took the criticism, learned from her mistakes, and did better. Most importantly, I feel like she realized how much she was centering this all around herself and stopped.

[@Sammy-dq6wt]

@@Ika0713 yeah i really should've phrased that better. I guess what I was trying to say is that she didn't immediately get defensive after receiving criticism. And maybe I was project just a bit on the self hate part yikes.

[@Skinniest_Kween]

Fun fact: The generic looking high school white boy is actually Arnold Schwarzenegger's son in real life.

[@alygator8115]

I guess he does a really good job at playing a very unlikable character... he seemed nice in real life tho

[@Skinniest_Kween]

@@alygator8115 yeah, he's really sweet irl.

[@ThePinkHamster190]

I always feel bad for the actors that have to play the asshole characters bc they’ll have hella people coming for them. I’m sure that he’s a nice chill guy irl but the character is a walking ick which is kinda the point lol

[@elizrebezilmadommdo1662]

@@ThePinkHamster190 Yeah, if he were just like the character in the movie, he wouldn't be in this movie that supports feminist messages in the first place.

[@lauriex8832]

HE HAS A SON?!

[@sawrirocks]

Cindy is the Asian character calling out the white character's privilege, except SHE IS the main character.

[@withcindy]

GASP

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Periodt and finally. Now give us a black main character with DEPTH.

[@marcgoodman4862]

Mind... Blown!

[@IgoIgoIgo]

@@withcindy Cindy took a gasping breath, not realizing, she had been holding it.

[@maddisonnotrae7568]

**eyes pluck out due to shock**

[@tav1754]

“When every teenage girl realises how fucked up the world is-“ That was literally me when I discovered the internet.

[@sarroumarbeu6810]

Hence her remark 🤭 ...we all have a crisis then mould ourselves however we see fit to counter it

[@throwaway7104]

THIS HAVING TRIPLE SIX LIKES 😳 JESUS TAKE THE WHEEELL

[@Jrookus]

Hahaha imagine discovering the world was fucked up as a teen This post was made by childhood depression gang

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@Jrookus same, highschool breakdown

[@GINSHOTGUN]

Lmao same

[@abbaliciouz7208]

She didn't put the clip in the video, but the women who was raped in the video mentioned that Mitchell was her boyfriend at the time, and I love that they brought up that fact. For anyone that doesn't know, DATING DOES NOT EQUAL CONSENT!

[@maep3048]

not gonna lie, i think it’s interesting that the main character is white because her being called out like that by her friends is a bit of a fuck you against the white savior trope. not entirely since she still is the instigator of the saving movement but the movie makes it known that none of the characters of color could’ve kicked it off so radically without facing bigger consequences than her. e.g. claudia with her mom and facing immediate consequences by association and lucy not being taken seriously at all by authorities and being adultified, which are very real and terrible issues that affect people every single day. by having us see this in direct opposition to the privileged white girl we spend the most time with i think it really highlights these differences when we are reminded of them. not saying that this was an amazing decision in general but i do see value in it in this specific case. maybe i’m reaching or being too optimistic but that’s the effect it had on me at least lol

[@conniethesconnie]

I hated the idea that an author can only write people of their own ethnicity. It's fiction. It's not an autobiography. The author should be able to take on whatever persona they desire. If a privileged white woman can develop an interesting lead character who is a gay asian male why not go for it.

[@gabrielablazejova4143]

@@conniethesconnie maybe she wanted to portrait herself and like Cindy said, people would call her out

[@hanaomer4419]

@@conniethesconnie I can see why people don’t like it tho because it’s not your story to tell. How many published books are there with gay Asian leads? Not many if any at all. So why is a white women able to get those stories out there? Why is she able to tell our stories for us? Also there’s the problem of how stories told by outsiders are prone to be problematic or incorrect. Like how male writes almost always _suck_ at writing not just female characters but feminism as well. So it’s not that you can’t write for other ethnicities but in some cases you have to think about whether you should.

[@fey__3919]

@@conniethesconnie Because the author is a white woman and most of the story comes from the perspective of a white woman. It's easy to write about characters who are nothing like ourselves, but when it comes to personal life and characters thoughts and background it's more personal and detailed. As a white woman I could write about a character of any race or background... but when it comes to a first person P.O.V I can only write about white women... since I am a white woman... can't really be out here assuming the lives and thoughts of black women just because I want a black female lead...

[@Atzuul61]

I like how they listened to the white girl even though the black girl had been saying it the whole time

[@jiminjams1543]

I guess that’s a sad reality of the matter huh. I mean I’d probably see eye to eye with someone of my own ethnicity more easily than someone of another just cuz Idk there’s a weird sense of empathy there I guess? But yeah, yay for the white mc coming through with the wisdom cuz I think the other one was speaking a different language.

[@illustryfe5354]

It's realistic

[@Ash-hx1jz]

Yeah why didn't they just make the alternative black girl the main character? And the white girl her sidekick lol

[@sp4c1ng_0ut8]

@@Ash-hx1jz exactly. Black radicals for the win!

[@purplecatloverrandompizza]

I mean that IS sadly pretty realistic tbh

[@aleidadiaz2261]

That Asian boy was so well adjusted and articulate about his feelings. I fell in love with him not only when he starred his hands, but when he wrote her name on his arm.

[@magicalgirl4]

He was such a good character and lovely romantic lead

[@parkthepenguin6344]

Seth was great in the books, I didn’t watch the whole movie but he seems pretty good here ;)

[@explodinglungs5974]

I don't think that Seth writing Vivian's name on his arm was the best thing because Vivian's attitude is so sour and extreme, she didn't deserve that. Vivian should've apologized to him properly because Seth was right: all he's done was support her and doesn't deserve to be her punching bag. I love the movie and all but Vivian didn't learn anything and even damaged property while letting others take the fall for her actions. But even so she still admitted some of her mistakes, even if she got waaaay more leeway then she deserved from the people that love her (Claudia, Seth, her mom). At least they did call Vivian out on her shit so I'll give the movie that. I have mixed feelings about this quirky yet obviously flawed movie but I think it was a pretty good stepping stone for social justice.

[@parkthepenguin6344]

@@explodinglungs5974 I’m pretty sure that in the book, Vivian wasn’t that bad

[@explodinglungs5974]

@@parkthepenguin6344 I might read the book cause I love the difference between books and movies (usually books being better). I'll take your advice then. 👌

[@amphitritemists4595]

What made me so mad was that when Vivian came clean, all her friends were like "suspend me too I was also involved." Where was all this when Claudia was getting the Asian parent lecture. My parents would freak out if I got a B let alone if I came home telling them I got suspended. Everyone should have worked together to get Claudia's named redeemed. And you know that if Vivian wrote this in her college applications she would be praised as an activist whereas Claudia getting suspended would just look so bad on her record.

[@raizel1155]

exactly they were so dismissive when claudia got suspended but stood up for vivian..did not sit right with me.

[@timefliesaway999]

Why do American schools even have counselors if they don’t do their job Like a school without a counselor would probably work the same

[@vocaloidlover81]

You'd be surprised how many counselors gossip about students using full names behind their back, it's why a lot of students I knew when I was in school didn't trust them.

[@genericspectator3094]

they’re usually there to schedule classes and shit. still a problem that they don’t do shit though

[@nunyabusiness3652]

When my cousin learned what her school counselor did when the school had a meeting about mental health, after her sister had a mental breakdown; the school counselor had the audacity to straight up brought a bag of popcorn and eating them during the whole meeting.

[@timefliesaway999]

@@vocaloidlover81 I’m not even surprised anymore when it comes to American counselors I’m just wondering why schools still have them

[@sarcasm8007]

In my highschool they're too involved and it's annoying as fuck.

[@NikiLovesTL]

I was shocked and kind of disappointed with Claudia's behaviour, but once I saw her mom, everything made sense and I just wanted to hug her because SIS THIS ASIAN RELATES 💀💀

[@withcindy]

PROTECT CLAUDIA!!

[@vietnamwithkingsley.5506]

People just don't get how much societal/familial pressure we are always under, just to be something that we are not.

[@NikiLovesTL]

@@vietnamwithkingsley.5506 EXACTLY! I don't like how we're always told to keep our heads down, grades up, and ignore the horrible things people say/do to us because karma????? Like, no thank you. I don't _want_ to inherit or encourage that kind of world. 🙅🏻‍♀️

[@hwchen39]

Yeah Claudia's story really hit home for me because it reminds me how fragile the model minority stereotype is. I remember when I was applying to college and the essay prompt was to tell them about a time when I "overcame adversity" and I wrote about a racist teacher I had in fourth grade. My immigrant parents thought it wasn't "appropriate" and told me I shouldn't talk about it. I was so hurt that I cried but I submitted the essay anyway and got into all the colleges I applied to. Now with the perspective I have I see that they thought they were protecting me because they were afraid if I was too outspoken about race that I would be seen as the problem and it would be easier to get rid of me than to change the system.

[@vietnamwithkingsley.5506]

@@hwchen39 another reason why I don't like self-help books coming out from author who's from developed countries. It gave a false impression that anyone can be like them without the context, without the safety net they could fall back to when theirs ventures turned south. The context of being a certain skin colour, being born in a certain countries in the world, being born in the certain time in history, could not be more lacking. It'd be not the scenario we would face or can be counted on for. It's just simply not it. Excuse me for my rant, but I've seen my fair share of those books in my book store advertising about a future for the minority/disable people who can not access all of those context at all.

[@MarMarital]

Calling out the main character?? In a teen movie???? Showing that they were wrong????

[@withcindy]

WHO WOULDA THOUGHT

[@nobitanobi3475]

As someone who is a teen , This has got to be the most accurate "teen" movie representation ever.

[@Justtry4525]

kinda reminded me of 'the edge if 17'. the main chara also gets called out there

[@rraymondssilva]

Pack it up "Sierra Burgess is a big fat loser"

[@asroriadraws]

@@nobitanobi3475 SAME

[@OctoberLotus]

As a white person, I actually like that they took this white girl with her “good intentions” and gave her a dose of reality. Teach more kids that you can be an ally without taking away from those you’re supposed to be supporting.

[@Naniru87]

Seth is raising the bar so high for all the other love interests in this kind of movie. I almost feel sorry for them. Almost

[@bekcha4170]

Sad thing is how low that bar is that basic respect, human decency and support is considered a high bar.

[@hat7475]

@@bekcha4170 it is😔❗

[@neruneru9713]

Claudia talking about her mom's sacrifices for her and that she doesn't have the freedom to act as freely as main girl--THAT HIT HARD.

[@withcindy]

TELL IT CLAUDIA!

[@harshiniyedevelli5278]

It was so relatable though when you have that kind of background you can't really afford to make "mistakes"

[@lia1tan]

I wish I could’ve said something like that to my white friends growing up. They were always thinking that I didn’t care or had no true opinions just because I didn’t have the freedoms that they did to do certain things. At the time I was still living with internalized racism so I felt guilty and hated myself. Now I know better and is the reason why I’m not friends with those people anymore.

[@kaybowling3182]

I love(d) a girl like this. Exactly like this. We were two Asian women dependent on our families. She and her mom were and will always be a team - the two of them against the world. Suffice it to say, our relationship didn't work out in the end. But I was and will always be so proud of her. It's such a heavy burden to bear and she's taking it all in as well as she could.

[@bananas2002]

I'm a white passing Latina that grew up with purely white people and their culture, so the imposter syndrome is STRONG! But I'm glad Claudia said what she said, it really reminded me that white privilege also applies to me, no matter how much of an immigrant I am, with immigrant parents and the culture I grew up in being mostly white outside my home. It was a harsh wake-up call, but a welcome one.

[@SarcasmandSciFi]

In middle school, a guy kept making gross, sexual comments about/directly to me. One day. I got fed up and pushed him. He hit his head on a locker. I was such a quiet, well-behaved kid that none of the teachers believed him when he tried to tell on me. He was very nice to me from that point forward. Sometimes, you just have to *literally* smash the patriarchy.

[@withcindy]

Proud of u

[@SarcasmandSciFi]

@@withcindy Thanks. I'm proud of me, too.

[@annie2845]

👍

[@MarleneSilva-np5tn]

Happened to me too, only I didn't push him. I went straight for the punch😂😂But teacher didn't believe me when I said what he had been saying for the last weeks and forced me to say sorry

[@SarcasmandSciFi]

@@MarleneSilva-np5tn it sucks that the teacher didn't believe you, but I'm glad you stood up for yourself with him, anyway.

[@sevietan93]

honestly, claudia deserved so much more. and a better friend too. ma girl got suspended for vivian and vivian didn't even apologize to her properly, she just ignored her even after claudia confronted her, like, twice. (one on before vivian went to the funeral home with seth and the one where vivian went to claudia's house) but even at the end claudia still went there to support her. claudia deserved better.

[@atrainofthought99]

And Seth deserved a better girlfriend

[@cassualtea2040]

@@atrainofthought99 Claudia and Seth should have been friends, Claudia needed the support.

[@atrainofthought99]

@@cassualtea2040 agreed and plus they could relate to each other more.

[@warmersquid9108]

I think the main character being white, the writer of the book being white is like, yes good thing she didn’t try to write from the perspective of another race. I personally thought the main character was super relatable. She dealt with almost everything exactly how I would’ve. And having her be white and be called out on so many things because of that really made me look at myself and be like, ok, just because I’m a woman doesn’t mean I’m so incredibly oppressed. I am the least oppressed woman. I’m white, and straight, and cis. Idk, I thought it was nice to have a wake up call to that thing because I think once women like me get sucked into the feminism and sexism, we forget to acknowledge our insane privilege amongst other women and races of other genders. Idk if that’s unpopular, but that’s just my opinion. I might be swayed considering I related immensely to the main character solely on personality.

[@murron1125]

The boyfriend was way better in the movie. In the book he was very “not all men”. Like at one point his girlfriend gets groped in the hall and he’s like, “well remember we’re not all like that”

[@withcindy]

EWWWWWWW NOOOOO

[@rebecabeza]

Yeah, I liked Seth a lot more. Like, he seemed to understand afterwards why "not all men" is problematic stance, but at the same time it always seemed like Vivian just let it slide because she likes him romantically or that it wasn't really that sincere

[@carolbaskin1857]

Wow it’s usually the others way around but I’m glad he’s better in the movie

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Yeah. The nastiness when I read it. I can't stand the not all men crap because yes we know but you are part of the problem by saying that shit because that means you have some guilt your holding on to.

[@pokaay3163]

Just people who bring up the “not all of us” argument when people are talking about discrimination or mistreatment in general is so bs, because yes, not all, but A LOT and that’s the point of it.

[@kling.klokje]

Love that the whole internet agrees that Lucy should’ve been the main character

[@withcindy]

LUCY SUPREMACY

[@thegooddinggleberry]

Ya but where would the drama come from? Lucy it too smart and too out spoken not take credit. I mean there's the bullying/harassment sub plot, but 13 reasons why exists(it's bad but it said something) .

[@jordandelattre8203]

yesss

[@meganl2335]

I loooved lucy but I felt that a lot of issues were portrayed because Vivian was the main character. For example, her white privilege, how she has good intentions but is often misguided, how she gets so caught up in her agenda she forgets to consider other perspectives, etc. I feel like those things could really apply to a lot of people in our world, and it's cool if many could relate to Lucy and even self reflect on their own actions. She's definitely more flawed, more unlikeable, and her views/actions needed to change compared to lucy's but that's sort of the point.

[@kling.klokje]

@@meganl2335 that is true, but I also think that this movie was still kinda made with white feelings too much in mind. Like I saw someone say somewhere Abt how the movie would be way cooler if instead of Vivian doing the zine alone, she reached out to Lucy for help since she does seem to know a lot Abt feminism. I just feel like if they wanted I be intersectional they should’ve gone harder on it cause now it just feels like too much is happening without it being thought out too much.

[@deadlykur0mi275]

I love that Seth isn't just a love interest, he's a great friend and so supportive! He also called Vivian out on her bs and we stan that here😌💅 also love that Claudia didn't try to go against her mom just because Vivian wanted to.

[@dayan6514]

I was literally holding my breath the whole movie scared that Seth was gonna become the stereotypical boyfriend in teen movies that support her till he does something problematic and then wins her back at the end with the bare minimum love confession. But they didn’t do that with his character and I was so happy

[@queen_of_the_moths]

I felt like the white girl getting into activism thing was important, because it was exposing all of the things that can go wrong when someone starts to take action without having a full understanding of the issues she's supporting. So often, white savior characters are treated as being the only ones in the film who aren't racist or homophobic or whatever crap, but that isn't reflective of real life, where people have to unlearn these things. To me, that element really highlighted the fact that it takes work, self-awareness, and a willingness to grow and change to be a good ally. You never get to see a white girl called out by her non-white friends, and it plants that seed in the mind of baby social activist white girls that being an ally doesn't make you immune from ignorance.

[@heatherwild2627]

exactly, I used to be uneducated and I am a white (I'm mixed with hispanic but I don't know much about my culture nor do I live with my hispanic family. So I just go by white because I'm white passing and was raised as a white girl) and i started getting into politics and real life problems near the end of 9th grade. I realized woah, guys at my school SUCK and why do I have to deal with it?? Then the stuff with George Floyd happened and It woke me up. I have never been a racist person but I realized how many stereotypes I thought were true, and how I used to be fully supportive of the cops. Its taken a while, and I think I still have certain stereotypes about groups of people, and I try my hardest to push by them and educate myself and even my friends. like a white boy I met online was such a shitty person, but after I started at least attempting to teach him, he's learning. Neither of us are perfect, but we're learning :) also I think this movie could be a wake up call to specific white girls, or just girls period, about what's happening. I wish I could have watched it a while ago

[@Crawlingdreams418]

i'd also like to see someone address self-hating people from privileged groups in activism through a movie/tv show as well. i do agree that people should acknowledge wrongdoings and discrimination, but whining "oh, i'm so homophobic cuz i'm not sapphic" doesn't fucking help anyone. these mfs are reblogged all over twitter and instagram, and, tbh, that feels less like doing the right thing and more like an angst fest from someone's LiveJournal or AngelFire website.

[@Sammy-dq6wt]

exactly! i was thinking the same thing!

[@spookyho5994]

@@heatherwild2627 I went through a really similar phase, also being a mixed girl who’s white passing. The thing is, when I first learned how fucked up everything actually is and problems we face, I concentrated on things that happened in the USA specifically, even though I live in Germany. It’s good that I learned what was happening there, but not only did I not bother looking further into these issues in order to really understand why we need to talk about them, but I also didn’t see the problems going on in my own country and the prejudices my own mother who is Brazilian has to face by living here. And I realised that racism/sexism in Germany or other countries in general isn’t rly spoken about or how certain things are tolerated when they really shouldn’t be. I can make a change starting here and work on being an actual ally, not just a performative one and educating myself.

[@LaughingInTiny]

This is a fantastic comment. Much of the current dialog makes it seem like white people just have to sing a different tune to be an ally, not actually dig into their own place in the system. Also, if this is supposed to mimic real life they did a decent job of showing her confusion.. . Or rather, almost lack of confusion because she doesn't know enough yet to be confused? Her tangent at the dinner table was super annoying, but I may have had a tangent or two at that age "BECAUSE LIFE WAS SO UNFAAAAIR" (

[@xsomili5501]

The bar is so low that we are celebrating the bare minimum of seth being a decent man 😭

[@asroriadraws]

The jerks overshadow the good guys 😔 like I'm 16 and I was trying to remember the not annoying guys in my school years up to now 💀✋🏿like some were just chill but I could tell they were nervous about not putting up with the ish from the other guys or else they'd get made fun of too so they just laughed along

[@harutoSpring]

i wouldn't say the bar is low looking at how people are rn :)

[@melaninnrice9618]

The bar is in hell and men put it there

[@rishitaumasankaran7159]

@@melaninnrice9618 truuu

[@ananyasrivastava8771]

But seth is bringing the skater boi charm and good style to the table too

[@NekoElf1269]

The only problem I have with this movie is how at the end, Vivian apologized to nobody, and was just forgiven right away. She should've apologized to Seth, Claudia, her mom's boyfriend and her mom. They deserved a sincere apology.

[@PforPanthera]

When I was in school the second a girl wore a tank top she'd get hounded by teachers but if a man wore a tank top or a shirt with alcohol on it they didn't give a fuck.

[@johnathanargow4762]

I honestly wish people either forget the dress code or just enforce it. In my school we had that problem but it was in a different situation, Women who were fit could wear more skin revealing clothing,but if you were over weight all of the sudden they are told not to wear it. Everyone needs to be on equal terms

[@Aster_Risk]

@@johnathanargow4762 It's because it isn't about equality or making an educational environment free from distraction. It's another excuse to pretend there's equality then screw over girls and women. The guys in my high school (2005-2009) wore shirts with cuss words, alcohol, guns, sexual imagery, pants that hung so low you could see half their underwear, huge dangerous wallet chains and sleeveless shirts and never got called out. Girls were picked on and it also varied in terms of body type and even skin color.

[@johnathanargow4762]

@@Aster_Risk yerp

[@titotobi-lawal2083]

the part where the afrolatina and 'sassy' black girl kissed took me out because it was out of nowhere and they did nothing to carry on a relationship lmao

[@withcindy]

they truly were like "lets give a SPRINKLE of lgbt+ representation"

[@aniya5169]

It wouldn’t be Netflix if they didn’t add a random lgbtq+ couple

[@artsysundae]

RIGHT i was so confused lmaoo

[@cynthiaanderson6410]

Right? My first thought was that it could be cute if there was literally any build up

[@sydeLPS]

This is in the book too and it's so damn weird omg

[@leenas4ever]

"I think you would make a great addition to the Ku Klux Klan" stone-faced, monotone, absolutely serious. Legend.

[@withcindy]

i aint wrong thooooo

[@toadinbag]

This is how I started my day, with THIS video. Automatic day made.

[@fantasyfan6037]

That absolutely KILLED me. Also how they had that chip halfway to their mouth. Sign of superior wit!

[@mr.bullfishyplayz5179]

As a Chinese person, I was so happy when the white main character was called out because usually, white feminists ignore the problems of female minorities and no one says anything.

[@RaiiSkaii]

I’m white but from an Immigrant family with very similar values and problems as claudia so it felt quite emotional seeing Claudia trying to be a part of something and helping but being held back

[@lottie7813]

I’m white and the “u don’t get it cuz ur white” scene rly made me think a lot and I love it for that

[@sarcasm8007]

Genuinely like I can't imagine the shit we take for granted on a daily basis and don't even think twice about it. 💀💀💀💀

[@airmaxy7377]

I seriously appreciate you guys not getting offended over that line

[@Network-yp8de]

@@sarcasm8007 fuck...

[@sarcasm8007]

@@airmaxy7377 Nothing to be offended about it's true and I admire it, I didn't see it coming because no movie had ever had the guts to say it but this one did which I thought was incredibly shocking, funny but also really admirable to do.

[@wendys_lemonade2459]

yes!!! our privilege does so much more than we think it does, I feel like that moment was needed for me

[@just-trying-my-best-everyday]

"When I was 16, all I cared about was smashing the patriarchy and burning it all down." As a 16 year old, yes.

[@voidpriestess8339]

As a 15 year old, yes

[@christie6515]

as a 14 year old, yes 🙏🏼

[@Clover12367]

as an fetus yes

[@thecriticalthinker4527]

As a 14yr old boy yes

[@rad7149]

As a 13 yld child, yes

[@TheAquamarine4]

I just love how everyone snapped at the deliberately plain jane white main girl. I wish more white girls would be exposed like this, like it might seem mean, but that’s nothing compared to what her friends had to go through

[@hsg57]

As someone who experienced a school walk out. none of that was a thing... in fact they locked us in the school and threatened police.

[@ninavtv]

That reminds that we literally had to basically threaten our administration to let us do a walk out. It was for the Parkland Shooting since our school was about 20 minutes away.

[@hsg57]

@@ninavtv I went to an arts school and they were taking the art out of our school (I know) and they locked us juniors and seniors in because they had media there for the opening of our new building. What they didnt know was that the sophomores, freshman, and middle schoolers were in on it and they walked tf out.

[@purplecatloverrandompizza]

We once did a walkout in middle school The school knew about it and was in on it, so they allowed us to go. The teachers even told us about what it was and what time it was happening and basically said "there will be a walkout at (insert time) so if you choose to you can participate."

[@allurajane4979]

@@purplecatloverrandompizza My middle school was the same. They were in on it and let us go. It was a walkout for school shootings. It left me extremely pissed off however because hardly anybody actually gave a shit. They just walked out so that they would miss class.

[@Gaburierairuze]

The salad scene is exactly what a lot of people think feminist are all like because they saw the wrath of an uneducated pissed off person on Twitter reaching over the smallest of things 🙃

[@emmamichelsohn7515]

To me the salad scene was simply an overwhelmed child reaching her breaking point. It wasn't about any of the issues at that point, it was a 16-year-old girl who was confused and scared and facing a situation she no longer had any clue how to fix (not that she had any clue to begin with). I think the actress portrayed the emotional breaking point very well.

[@funnyvalentine1848]

Tbh yeah- It gives them a bad Reputation and I can say that it affects lots of people's POV on stuff

[@pannieb731]

I'm so glad that mitchell wasn't made into some kind of a sick and disgusting love interest. *glances at After*

[@withcindy]

same here!

[@plumcvnt1937]

@Emaan Ara Zaidi it's Josephine not Katherine

[@saigie3908]

NOT AFTER 😭

[@emilycooper1602]

NOT AFTER SDNJFS I HATE AFTER

[@wonsandonly]

Legit I was so scared that they were going to make him and Lucy love interests like an enemies to lovers type of thing ughhh

[@someonesle9578]

"The quote in the corner You Don't Matter Give Up" 💀😭😭

[@abbyrosen4364]

i feel like this movie has such a great representation of school counselors. in middle school, there was a boy who relentlessly teased me, especially after i politely asked him to stop (i’m not very confrontational). he even ended up making inappropriate sexual jokes that made me super uncomfortable. and i wasn’t his first victim, he had been super rude to other girls in the past. i finally got fed up and went to my school counselor to report it, and she basically brushed off what i said, even though i was very visibly upset, and told me that he just had a “goofball personality”. she only started to care when i brought up the word “harassment”, because she knew that the school would be in big trouble if they ignored me completely. so the guy ended up getting a warning from the vice principal, and that’s it. moxie made me wonder how much worse that situation could’ve been if i wasn’t white.

[@KimmikooBlossom]

I love how this movie kind of breaks the “ride or die” mentality because people think that as a friend you should go along with everything your friend does. But a healthy relationship is all about to show criticism and don’t let your friend continue their bad behavior cause actions does effect others.

[@femmefatale4442]

The main girl is like paper, white and fragile, and she got torn like paper when the characters called her bullshit out.

[@withcindy]

oop--

[@dexfatarm]

*yes*

[@heatherwild2627]

I mean yes, but I think her character being like that made the movie better. If they had made her some perfect woke warrior (like they constantly try to do) it would've felt so fucking fake

[@asroriadraws]

@@heatherwild2627 yeah even the problems with vivian i LOVE because it's just so realistic? Like it's not automatically sunshine and rainbows, and her breaking down crying just showed that she bottled stuff up while trying to handle stuff herself while lashing out at others (which was unfair to them). At first I thought it was random but now I think that's actually more realistic; I'm the same age as these characters so I kinda felt that

[@totallynotarussianspy5336]

i really wish they did a "wonder" type thing where each character got a section which delves into how those characters feel and deal with the moxie club and how they handle social justice. Especially Claudia as she has the cultural sensitivity at home to deal with and her school expectations of getting involved

[@flavored_yuzu]

I remember being picked on by a group of boys in 5th grade and when I spoke to the teacher about it she said “what am I supposed to do about it?” And that really made me mad because she is a teacher and should help resolve conflicts

[@lightyagami4535]

“What am I supposed to do about it?” “Bitch, do your fucking job and help them. If you can’t help just one of your students being picked on, why are you even here?”

[@zvvilq63]

Some guy: has basic human decency and stands by women Cindy: yyEEAAAHHHH

[@withcindy]

LOL PRETTY MUCH

[@giovanac4820]

The bar is literally _so low_

[@Ashley-Lopez]

We gotta take what we can get lmao

[@arriibacon531]

@@PynkSpotsYT 😂😂😂😭

[@sofie6524]

I liked how Seth didnt pick up the fight for her, but supported her when it was needed. I don't think men necessarily have to speak on behalf of women cause that just further perpetuates the idea that we still need men to speak on our behalf to make change? Like, he showed his support with the hearts and stars, he gave the last vote and he pulled the MC back down when she became too much... Like, he normalises standing by and supporting feminism while not taking over the fight? Although Im still critical of that one scene where he got called out for being friends with Mitchell or something like that but..? Aside from that which I didnt exactly get, I found him to set the bar perfectly on how a male feminist can show his support and I feel like he deserved atleast something more than being average. I dunno, I personally think that he might be above the bar by a bit.

[@marcusjoe3618]

"White women on Twitter be like..." I'm DYING!

[@withcindy]

its true thoooo

[@marcusjoe3618]

@@withcindy Hence, my earlier death. Luckily I have been resurrected so I can enjoy more of your movie reactions :D

[@animezae]

Kinda annoyed that they fell into the stigma of “strong, fearless and confident Black woman = lesbian” but I guess! The movie was a great effort and had an awesome message regardless. Definitely something to show young ladies!!

[@StrawberryLegacy]

It's not a stigma (cause it's not a negative thing). If anything, it's a stereotype. And I feel like it pertains to strong women in general so in a movie about a bunch of feminists, making any character at all a lesbian (which is always a good idea) would have evoked that stereotype I think 🤷 But correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not American and not 100% in tune with American society.

[@animezae]

@@StrawberryLegacy mmmm it’s not a positive thing for all strong Black women to be perceived as lesbians but to each their own. It also doesn’t pertain to all women- white women get plenty of chances to be strong and successful women in film and literature without being lesbians or miserably single.

[@StrawberryLegacy]

@@animezae I just meant that being a lesbian isn't a bad thing - I don't want people calling it a stigma because that implies it's a bad thing, which is untrue. It is for some assholes, but inherently it is not. But yeah anyway maybe that stereotype is more pronounced for black women than white women, as I said I'm not American.

[@animezae]

@@StrawberryLegacy That’s a subjective perspective in itself and is not related to the point I was making, but I hear you. And yep, there’s a big difference between the two here in America!

[@clover3479]

@@animezae I'm not sure if I'm misreading so correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying it's a subjecting about whether or not BEING a lesbian is good/bad, or whether or not being PERCEIVED as a lesbian is good or bad? For the first part (being one), that shouldn't be subjective at all. For the second part (being perceived as a lesbian when you aren't) I absolutely agree. Being perceived as a sexuality that you are not is pretty much always a bad thing.

[@ellaengeli9813]

In the book, I felt like Vivian was less entitled and the whole sequence of her being horrible to her mom/bf etc didn't really happen. Also, Seth was majorly nice in the book, but he did act all "not all men" at some point, which caused them to almost break up. He did grow out of it though, I think. I don't really understand why they made Vivian the bad guy in the movie because she really wasn't that bad in the book. ALSO, in the book Mitchell Wilson's dad was literally the principle which added a whole 'nother dimension

[@llel1416]

Love your comment because while the book must be good, seeing the movie, it makes me appreciate the movie even more. I like that Seth was already a great ally because we need more good male allies in movies,especially teen movies. The fact that the principal was a woman and not related to Mitchell was great because not all women are feminists and sometimes are even misogynistic. Also her not being related to Mitchell proves that she doesn't even have a "good" reason to protect him so it makes it worse that she does. That makes her and the patriarchy and its "allies" the vilain of this movie. I don't think Vivian is the vilain at all. She's just a normal girl with her own issues and sometimes it impacts her activitism so it makes her human. The entitlement was good because she is privileged and she's not perfect. This is a lesson she has to learn and the movie showed that well. The way you describe it makes me feel like she was "perfect" in the book (or just less flawed) and imo it would make the movie less relatable and realistic. It would also makes for a even bigger white savior complex so less enjoyable maybe.

[@Vanessa-fk2om]

I remember being taken aside by a teacher for wearing a tank top with spaghetti straps. She told me to go home and change and I just went to my next class. NO TIME FOR GAMES I GOTTA LEARN ABOUT THE PYTHAGOREAN THEOREM

[@withcindy]

GOOD FOR U

[@shreya-fg5mu]

OK QUEEN

[@air_hum]

A²+B²=C² SUPREMACY >:|

[@sophiecrophie7540]

Okay some parts of the movie were better than the book, but there was this amazing part in the book where in response to the dress code rules , Moxie didn't tell the girls to dress in tank tops, but actually big fluffy bathrobes over their clothes so they were in absolutely no danger of distracting the precious male students. And in class, the teacher notices one girl wearing it and tells her to take it off so she goes lmao sure and takes it off and she's only wearing a bright red bikini top under it. It was great

[@sophiecrophie7540]

Also this isn't related but Cindy I started watching Julie and the Phantoms because you recommended it please validate me. The Other Side of Hollywood is such a god damn bop right?!

[@withcindy]

all the songs in JATP are a bop!! :D

[@ramiyahlee6108]

I remember that part it was ICONIC

[@sophiecrophie7540]

@@ramiyahlee6108 YES. I get why they simplified it but IMAGINE how iconic it would be to see on screen

[@nesspuckridge9816]

THAT PART WAS AWESOME

[@imthecoolestguyalive]

One thing that is really concerning to me, is how I expected the love interest to suddenly be a creep. I just waited for the big twist to happen, and him, like, forcing a kiss out of the protagonist, or something. I don't know why I expected that to happen, and I was so worried for the protagonist whenever these two were alone together.

[@mazelbagle321]

"I think you would make a great addition to the KKK" I AM DEAD- 💀🤚🤚🤚

[@kylovesart]

Sent me into mother fucking orbit

[@xenonsan3110]

When he spat in her soda I wanted her to so badly dump the entire drink on him

[@oyinkansolaadebajo9716]

My mom and I were watching this and she literally said the same thing!!

[@xenonsan3110]

@@oyinkansolaadebajo9716 it sounds like your mom and I would get along lol

[@oyinkansolaadebajo9716]

@@xenonsan3110 Lol

[@KomandorNells]

SAME!

[@ginger6readspaceman]

That scene made me so mad, I definitely would have. And I'm a super safe, no trouble person

[@sk8aintstr813]

watching cindy being hit with the comebacks these side characters gave at the main girl was probably the most satisfying thing I ever saw

[@withcindy]

my feelings were hurt and i aint even the main character

[@alaina-jaejohnson7174]

I think with the teacher he thought staying out of the issue was the best course of action but supports the whole walkout thing because that was an issue that he thought he could really do something about. Also props to him for hating Mitchell as much as the rest of us

[@sagethemage3979]

As a white person, I'm just here for every part- including her being white and obviously problematic. It's something that needs to be looked at directly since there is such a bad habit of just shrugging away from anything that might be painful. I'm so happy this exists and that you shared it with us.

[@UmbraKrameri]

I personally liked how the trans girl was integrated into this story. After the year of the TERF wars, it was just refreshing that she was just... there. And no one questioned that. It was a bit unrealistic but in a wholesome way. Also that some characters were just casual lesbians.

[@hideakisorachi3953]

I'm writing a story rn and the main characters are lesbians. the story is really cliche and the writing isnt phenomenal, but it's nice to write about queer characters just existing. I read books and watch shows for escapism, so it's kinda tiring when you have to deal with homophobia/transphobia in real life and in media as well all. of course it's important to not disregard issues, but I just wanna read a cute story sometimes.

[@lunaticindigo5004]

@@hideakisorachi3953 i need to see this story

[@D3niz3n]

I love it, reminds me of my friend group in secondary school

[@cynthiaanderson6410]

The actress is actually trans as well which is really really cool

[@hideakisorachi3953]

it's on wattpad! it's called "bones of rust"

[@aimun5255]

I literally thought Lucie was the main character, talking about racism WITH sexism I'm 😭😭 after years of movies choosing one or the other, I can't believe I'm so emotional about the bare minimum

[@cryforhelp7270]

They've been starving us for so long the bare minimum seems like enough lmfao

[@cryforhelp7270]

You're not alone tho... I got super emotional too!!!

[@withcindy]

its the bare minimum and yet here we are😭😭😭

[@dejajade6726]

When I first saw the trailer I was like why didn't they make her the main character instead 👀👀

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Literally same.

[@BettyAlexandriaPride]

I'm a quiet rebel type of person, so I really appreciate the message that it's OK to take that approach.

[@bluechicken851]

please the scene where she blew up on seth and her moms boyfriend gave me such HUGE second hand embarrassment i almost didn’t want to show my face anymore

[@mcarts4722]

Me, turning 22: “Now I’m just a bitter, cynical, old hag”

[@withcindy]

same

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Mood

[@miriamhdez4746]

I feel you

[@musicalnerds101]

Relatable

[@strangersopinion8243]

Damn, that was really spot on.

[@sethrayne8076]

i'm actually kind of glad that the protagonist was white and was constantly called out, the movie showed how you can have good intentions but end up hurting the people you were fighting for, and i think that it's nice for a white director to call themselves and their community out. lord knows we need it

[@Emma-uj4gd]

When Claudia called her a coward I SCREAMED

[@genevieveperry4971]

"Hey mom, what did you care about when you were 16?" Movie mom: "Smashing the Patriarchy!" My mam: "I cared about finishing school and not being married off over a bottle of whiskey @.@" Me: "All I wanted was to read books and climb trees and pretend there were fairies in the old fort in the field. Also wtf was Ireland in the 70's?!?"

[@purplecatloverrandompizza]

Me: theatre. Also you know band and choir too, you know just all of the performing arts in general

[@christie6515]

mitchell is that type of person that you would want to punch so bad to the point that he actually cries. IM SO ANGRY AT HIM WHAT THE FUCK

[@withcindy]

hes so grossss

[@christie6515]

@@withcindy everytime he comes onscreen i wanna 🤜🏽👨🏼

[@cattrickie]

HIS FACE INVOKES A RAGE FROM DEEP INSIDE ME

[@burcuterzioglu4778]

@@christie6515 omg that emoji is literally him

[@hkazu63]

Honestly, I’d usually mock this type of thinking, but it’s SO PALPABLE in him. He could just be standing there breathing and it would ENRAGE me.

[@GorloftheMonth]

Mitchell is a real life manifestation of thriller tropes being integrated in romance movies

[@withcindy]

NOOOOOOOO

[@princessmanitari4993]

Promising Young Woman (the movie) says hello.

[@quantumtiz]

"I don't deserve to be your punching bag." PREACH

[@zen-nb2fd]

As someone who is currently reading The Great Gatsby in school, I liked that scene with Lucy. I don't get how we're still reading only that book to show the American dream. But also, I feel so bad for Lucy, she deserves so much more

[@erinprizant5542]

The way that white dude acted reminds me of someone who started stalking me in college. The teacher didn't seem to care, either, even tho I only went to him to inform him of my concerns and to ask not to be paired with him for any class activities; the teacher just kept being like "are you sure you're not overreacting?" That honestly traumatized me more than the stalking at that point. That was a miserable semester.

[@withcindy]

EWWWW NOOOOO

[@ariahazelwood3842]

I'm sorry Erin 😐

[@Heidi2003]

I'm so sorry

[@princessmanitari4993]

Hope you're doing okay now! Stay safe & be safe.

[@georgiaberg3619]

I'm so sorry that happened to you! :( I just recently had an uncomfortable interaction with a male classmate at uni and I finally talked to my lecturer about it & said I was fine with switching to distance learning, my lecturer said he's going to make HIM switch and just truly validated my whole experience. I never expected such a wonderful response and I really hope there are more lecturers like mine out there :( 💙

[@laurenkathleen2221]

I really hope there is more representation in media, especially teen movies. It sucks to consistently see POC as side characters instead of the main character. However, I loved that the movie didn't shy away from pointing out the main girl's white privilege. They didn't show her as a "savior" character that was perfect and helping save all of these other girls. Most of the ideas came from Lucy, and Lucy was seen as the leader a lot of the time as well. The criticism is valid and highlighting stories that feature POC is very important, but I think this is also an important story to tell.

[@withcindy]

i agree!

[@pogpogpog7507]

honestly I think it would have been more problematic if the white author had written the main character as a POC. like cindy said, it's not the white author's place to write from the perspective of a POC when she doesn't share the life experiences she wishes to speak on. I think she wrote it the right way - white girl main character who gets deservingly called out for her flaws. I'd absolutely love to see more POC main characters, but not written by white people.

[@Graid]

@@pogpogpog7507 Up until very recently I feel like everyone was saying 'write characters who aren't like you as main characters, research things carefully, don't settle for just having main characters who are just like you in background, ethnicity, etc when we are so in need of representation of marginalised groups as more than just side characters'. And now it's like a weird sudden cultural 180- I've read MULTIPLE things suddenly acting like it's a transgression and 'problematic' for a white person to write something with a not-white protagonist. White people should only write white main characters now?

[@tenten1153]

@@Graid it’s not about white authors should only write white characters, just that they need to be careful about the kinds of stories they tell about BIPOC. white people are often given the opportunity to write stories about the lives and cultures of BIPOC, while BIPOC authors are often not given those same opportunities to write about our own cultures because it’s often been labeled “unmarketable” and “alienating” to a white audience when we do so. Basically, we want white people to write diversely but to not tell stories that are so deeply intimate to the lives of BIPOC. For example, writing an asian character for your fantasy story is fine, but writing a story about an asian american immigrant and their life and struggles as an asian american immigrant is odd because, like Cindy said at the end of her video, “thats not a white person’s story to tell.” it’s better to advocate for BIPOC to tell our own stories rather than white people taking and telling those stories themselves, thereby profiting off the life experiences of BIPOC. the shift from “write more BIPOC into your stories” to “stay in your lane, leave the intimate BIPOC stories to BIPOC” ISNT a contradiction but just an expansion of the conversation

[@pogpogpog7507]

@@Graid there's a difference between non-POC writing POC characters and non-POC writing POC characters discussing POC issues that they haven't experienced nor will ever truly understand.

[@untitled1464]

ok so i REALLY wanted Lucy to throw the soda back at Mitchell because my mind literally had flashbacks to the Disney Channel original movie Lemonade Mouth when Stella (Haley Kiyoko) drinks a can of lemonade and spits it back at the white guy bullying Bridgit Mendler's character. would have been iconic pt 2. also when i watched the movie with my friends via zoom and vivian started having an attitude at dinner my friend literally replied "eh that's typical white parenting, which is none" 👀

[@couch_philosoph3325]

Oh this is serving. I love main characters being called out on their shit. Where have these kind of teen movies been all my childhood? All we had was troy crying over choosing between singing and basketball while being the starlet for the two, having two girls madly in love with him and the whole school loving him as well

[@Leoji0325]

When the boyfriend and the best friend were blunt with her it was my favorite part tbh, like she was only thinking about herself the whole time and not how it'd affect others

[@alittlefruitfairy]

“Ooo if you use that word I have to do all this work” HE👏SPIT👏IN👏HER👏SODA

[@withcindy]

SO DISGUSTINGGG

[@marcgoodman4862]

Obvious rape subtext is obvious.

[@barbllz]

@@marcgoodman4862 1really? i didnt got it im dumb lol

[@marcgoodman4862]

@@barbllz Maybe it's just me. He deposited bodily fluids into her can without her consent. That seemed like a metaphor to me.

[@tartra]

@@marcgoodman4862It's its own action, separate from being a metaphor, but you're right to also see it as a metaphor. This is just as much about entitlement and power over someone else as rape is - but on a much smaller scale. I recommend treating it as foreshadowing for the actual rape subplot, especially since *having* a rape subplot means they don't need to rely on this as subtext for that. They might've if that subplot didn't exist, though.

[@neli_e]

I'm a young white girl and I love these comment section cause I learn things. Sometimes I'm like the main character in this move and now I know the dumb sht that i could have say or do

[@QuitRuiningMyRecommendations]

I was sexually harassed almost daily by a guy in my band class. Everyone laughed and thought it was funny. I complained about it to the teacher, a woman. Instead of helping me, she went to THE GUY and asked for HIS SIDE. He said it was a joke. She then proceeded to tell me that it was just a misunderstanding. Later the guy went to me and told me off, said he would never find me attractive and how dare I accuse him... and proceeded to bully me the entire rest of the year.

[@zuhasajid900]

Shit i hope you are in better mind space now !

[@ramshafarooq]

Bruh when I first watched this movie, I legit cried at the part when the movie showed different instances where the girls were getting legit harrassed (that guy trying to take Emma's pom poms aggressively, or that shirt throw, or that guy being obnoxious etc.) and no one batted an eye because we're just so used to accepting everything guys do as "immature, childish behaviour" when it's clearly not. Like Lucy says, they're not "annoying", they're straight up dangerous.

[@withcindy]

yup, this is how it escalates. it's always the small things first

[@Network-yp8de]

boys will be b̶o̶y̶s̶ held accountable for their actions

[@rj_tiste]

i dont think i’ve fallen harder for a guy in a teen movie more than i fell for seth ... this man literally did the pure minimum of being a good ass human but yet it made me love him . the bar is nonexistent 🤚

[@withcindy]

hes so sweet thoooooo T_T

[@metaloopa6907]

The bar is in hell

[@starfruitwhite2303]

Ok bruhhh I’m swooning over this maannn

[@eueueqi]

Claudia calling that main character's bs out was art and then STACKING UP SETH'S FOLLOW UP ? MMMMMM A MASTERPIECE HELLYES

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

When you say, "Can I help you?" and he says, "I don't know, can you?" that's when you pretend to flirt and say, "Touch me and we'll see," then the moment he makes contact you put him on the ground and tell him he can come back if the first lesson didn't work.

[@madi5286]

If you dont think a black girl doing this wouldnt be punished extremely badly then you really didnt learn anything from this movie. She would likely get criminal charges for this in real life, and even in the world of the movie.

[@nouch8725]

what is the point

[@Dinomater_]

"Because sometimes the only way that they'll stop is if you fucking punch them in the face" I hate how true this is

[@withcindy]

yep...

[@lesbiangoddess290]

Yup and if we use violence or seem threatening we're the bitch or the problem or being too aggressive, when there is a literal privileged white boy creep standing right next to you knowing hes going to get away with everything because he exists. I-

[@annie2845]

:(

[@avekatumba4794]

Not this movie low-key snapping. I'm impressed that they didn't give the yt man a redemption arc as they do for a lot of trashy men in netflix shows.

[@withcindy]

good, as he shouldnt!!

[@jungyoungjin5914]

I agree. He shouldn't hv a redemption arc because he started as a loser and ended up like a loser

[@awaefan9970]

I swear Mitchell would be the type to spike girls drinks.😒

[@hyukleberry5567]

Sure it would've been nice to have POC protagonists but like you said, the author is white and it was best not to toe that line. And I think the moral of the story was to point out the flaws of white feminism. What better way to do that than show a main character white girl doing bad shit, getting called out for it, then growing? It was fitting because it wasn't supposed to be a fantasy story where the POC(/other "underdog") characters do stuff and it all miraculously goes their way (although it's nice to see that sometimes). They were supposed to suffer just like how it is in reality. The purpose was to teach us how we're supposed to deal with the inequalities in the context of real life and not make the same mistakes, which I think is great