Cults, Neo-Prosperity Gospel and the Church

[@rachelcole4687]

I was raised SDA. We kept the sabbath day holy. It started Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. On the sabbath we didn't spend money, no TV. We went to church, ate good food at home and spent time together as a family. There is an emphasis on eating healthy and lots of SDA are vegetarian and do not drink alcohol or smoke. We believe based on scripture that the dead stay dead until Jesus comes amd then the dead are raised and those saved go to heaven. I went to an SDA school. Elementary through high school. I never once saw a fight at school. There was no teen pregnancies, no gangs. Majority of my graduating class went into the medical field. SDA do a lot of medical missionary work. Loma linda University hospital is known worldwide; it was originally owned and ran by SDAs. Not sure about now. We were taught about Ellen G white in school but she wasnt the primary focus. In church the focus was always the Bible. I don't think SDAs were fairly described in this podcast. But each person has their own perspective. And it's interesting to hear other people's take. It sharpens us to have discussions and see others perspectives. But we always have to remember to do our own research, read the Bible for ourself and ask God for guidance. So we can listen to preachers and other speakers, our parents....but we must always check it for ourselves and see if it aligns with the Bible.

[@24pixiegirl]

Y’all problem is Ellen G white just like this man said. I went to an Sda school.

[@beejones0509]

@@24pixiegirl She never called herself a prophet. There are some misrepresentations where there are ppl who do exalt her writings over the bible, but that’s not her message. She said to teach from the bible. If you can’t prove it, don’t repeat it.

[@timbawangu3038]

Rachel Ole, well said.

[@danieltrueheart]

@@24pixiegirl well you didn't learn enough at that school bc I've been sda all my life and it's stressed that EGW is not equivalent to GOD.

[@Nou75]

Well said!!!

[@powerofthelamb]

I am an SDA pastor and former Hip Hop artist from the group Boogiemonters, signed with EMI Records. I left the group in 1996 after being introduced to the Adventist Church. I went from a skeptic of all religions to becoming an SDA. I've been SDA now for 28 years. Much research went into my decision to leave behind an $800k music contract to follow Jesus. The doctrines we hold as a church can be demonstrated from the Bible alone. We are not isolationists. We believe there will be people saved from every denomination. We believe there will be many people saved who never kept the sabbath and many people lost who strictly kept the sabbath. We are not a cult. Promise. Our church was built on the backs of Protestant Reformers.

[@BeyondCoachingLLC]

Thanks for sharing your story and truth. We need more people like you to share and clarify what others perceive without doing thorough research. What a wonderful testimony from how far God has carried you through your life journey? Keep believing. Keep speaking your truth. And Keep sharing your faith walk.

[@Curly.Leigh23]

💯 it would be great if they did an episode with you and sis Myers!

[@domoellis]

Thank you so much for clarifying

[@lisabeyond8166]

Amen

[@_weiiah2019]

Agreed. ​@@Curly.Leigh23

[@missjamerica6461]

Jackie and Preston, I’m an SDA Christian and I want you to know that this community rolls deep in support of you both. For several months I’ve included Upon Waking in my morning devotional experience as well as promoted books such as Holier Than Thou. We attend your events, read your books and watch your videos. With that said…you have a guest that misrepresented us and I’m saddened, especially since there is so much love for you both. I’d like for an SDA guest to be afforded the opportunity to defend the denomination that was mischaracterized on your platform. Ivor Myers is a great option, Ty Gibson has posted a lot of great content already, Myron Edmon is a good option, C Wesley Knight and even Claudia Allen. I’d like for us to get an opportunity to clarify the remarks made.

[@TheJadaErnest]

As a fellow SDA Christian, I share the same sentiments. I can only pray that what the devil meant to use to cause discord amongst a community of Christians vs another will be turned around for God’s glory. I also hope people do their thorough research about our beliefs before trying to force what they think we believe down our throats. For example I’ve seen several Adventist’s in the comments saying that we do not esteem E.G white’s writings above the Bible yet still some persons cannot accept this truth because it goes against the narrative that they’ve created in their minds. May the Holy Spirit take control of the situation and may our fellow brothers and sisters be led into all Truth ❤

[@phyliciawillis4158]

I'm not a SDA but a believer in Jesus Christ. Grew up Baptist and "non-denominational" now. I appreciate the way you worded your comment. I'm not looking to follow another group but I would love to see you all have an opportunity to share and explain your doctrine with them and have open and honest dialogue

[@ReboneMora]

I wholly agree with this comment, as a platform respected by multiple christians, the name dropping feels like it should also come with accountability, said denominations like SDA, to which I belong, having been called out, i think its only fair they be given the same platform upon which they have been torn down to defend themself.

[@acolley96]

I agree....SDA here and have learned so much from the Perry's. Very disappointed.

[@KristieBach]

Shame on them for having that man on their platform. For someone who holds a Doctorate degree he should’ve did his research before speaking on something he doesn’t know about.

[@bbailey0625]

What a time to be a Christian where we can listen to an hour of sound instruction, rebuke, warning…there will be no excuses to not grow in the faith. I’m encouraged to take my faith more serious

[@kimbrown4772]

FACTS!

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@BeginAgainMC]

Hallelu Jah

[@Ben31Son]

This is it!

[@Godizmycoach]

BIG BIG BIG FACTS

[@denetragary2499]

Hello! I don’t usually respond in chats but after prayer and much contemplation I felt impressed to share my story. I was raised Baptist and eventually became a non-denominational Christian up to the age of 31. I also firmly believed that SDA’s were a cult based on what I heard and just stayed away from them. Well, through a series of events I ended up moving to Takoma Park, MD and little did I know that this was a town laden with SDA’s. There was an SDA hospital, two churches and an academy within a 5 mile circumference of where I lived. For that reason, I ended up meeting and eventually befriending an SDA in the park. Shortly after we met I knew she was a sincere Christian and I started asking her questions about the Bible. One day in particular I was talking to her about the secret rapture. She insisted that the rapture wasn’t a secret. I was curious about her belief and wanted to study the Bible with her to understand and examine her conclusions. That conversation led to a series of Bible studies. I met with her for 2-3 days a week, sometimes several hours a week. I had to challenge and examine everything I thought I knew as a Christian (i.e. the state of the dead, an eternal hell, diet, clean and unclean meat, jewelry, dress, the Sabbath, etc.). I had never heard or even understood some of the things we studied that I thought I knew, and I never truly understood how to study the Bible until I sat down with her and fully examined my belief system. She and I studied for six months. She never mentioned Ellen G. White. Everything we studied was directly from the Bible. It wasn’t until I decided to become SDA that she gave me the Conflict of the Ages series written by EG. White. This only amplified the Bible and further solidified everything she and I studied in the Bible. In addition, I was able to learn how to live a biblical life as a Christian through EG Whites writings. They are beautiful and harmonious with scripture. This woman truly discipled and spent time with me. She became my close friend and helped me transition to being a Sabbath keeper. I am the only SDA in my family. I left all my friends and walked away from everyone and everything I thought I knew to become SDA. It wasn’t until I made this decision that I truly started to heal from a life of trauma. My life changed emotionally, spiritually, mentally and physically. Though I had accepted Jesus and was living up to all the light I knew, I still struggled, especially emotionally and physically with anxious attachment disorder. I share all this because I would encourage you to sit down and study the Bible with an astute, seasoned, biblically sound Adventist. All of what we believe is backed up by scripture and the majority of what this man is saying can be debunked and is false. Please take the time to study and show yourself approved, a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the truth of God, versus sitting with someone who is making false allegations with no facts. Please take the time to understand from someone who is in the faith and make an educated decision for yourself. The truth will make you free. Amen!

[@Wavesdontdie]

Amen for your testimony sister.

[@denetragary2499]

@@Wavesdontdie Thank you brother!

[@serenehanson-bartholomew1081]

AMEN. This is such a beautiful testimony. Yes we need to study ourselves, individually, salvation is individual not spoon fed. God will ask us what we know! And if you just research the origins of the Sunday you will soon see the truth. Seventh day Adventist never come for other denominations or shove Saturday down anyone’s throats. I have many friends who go to church on Sunday and know I go church on Saturday ( Sabbath) and they don’t feel judged by me. For nothing is secret that shall not be made manifest, neither any thing hid that shall not be known and come abroad Luke 8:17. Ellen G white never comes before and should never come before the Bible. We do not read her books blindly. And tbh not all in the church even read her writings. She didn’t even refer to herself as a prophet. But she defo spoke more for our time then her own. Anyway, had to come and say something because I love the Perry’s just this one did not sit right with me at alll at all 😅. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free John 8:32. God bless.

[@serenehanson-bartholomew1081]

Also, when there is a ONE world order and certain day(s) are forced to be the only day everyone worships on then there will be concern about the mark of the beast, we don’t believe that anyone has the mark of the beast right now. 🙏🏾

[@denetragary2499]

Amen sis!

[@taylore22]

“Christian’s are embarrassed of being Christian’s” that hit deep conviction 🥴

[@carvellboyce6434]

BUT THEY NOT EMBARRASSED TO CELEBRATE UNBIBLICAL PAGAN RITUALS INDOCTRINATING KIDS WITH LIES DECEPTIONS FABLES MYTHICAL BEINGS ON A SO CALLED HOLY DAY

[@ms.p6594]

This is a real conversation that may need more than one segment to unpack it all. I’m here for it.

[@audriwilliams7943]

Definitely need a few parts

[@MarquitaMaverick]

Nah fr, agreed

[@condesabeatriz9303]

Totally!

[@demetricefrench1687]

Me too, I am here for a 2nd segment

[@MissssTai]

I wanted 3-4 hours!

[@Adventlibertyvault]

From Anglican to Adventist here. Please invite Pastor Ivor Myers... You will not regret it! God bless..

[@mindymindy1682]

Yess!🙌🏿

[@DW-es2en]

Agree!

[@gracegrant5842]

Yes I agree, Jackie and Preston . I am a Seventh Day Adventist, I have been enjoying your teachings and preaching about the Lord. I have never found my church to be a Cult or behaving like one. I can not explain about the love of God in my life. I have bought up my children to be free thinkers. You need a conversation. The gentleman that you spoke to heard about us he does not know us. He must read, he is a reader, let him read.

[@melissasmith5547]

So trueee

[@tashmua]

Amen!!!

[@AK-pz7om]

I’m a former SDA. I’d say the conservative side of the church can lean into cultism, but not the liberal side. He’d have to talk to multiple people within the denom from a wide range of perspectives to truly get a grasp of it. It’s easily misunderstood by mainstream evangelicals because of the lack of exposure

[@danieltrueheart]

@@AK-pz7om even the conservative side does not claim that EGW is equivalent to Gods word.

[@Yvanylda]

Bue EGW is your prophetess, and her teachings are different from the Bible. How do you process that reality? • kzbin.info/aero/PLoOrfAxSIEdDt_h069D3--byCCM1f3Q7z&si=fl0rwh6MNk0pKsw8 • kzbin.info/aero/PLoOrfAxSIEdCbdM0NacLVzITeh986inLT&si=ScxMmmQkYpAYbb7g God bless!

[@itsmyronlive]

Dr Mason, I am a SDA pastor for 25 years. First I want you to know that I have followed and greatly appreciated your ministry over there years, especially your work in our urban centers. Your scholarship and commitment to rightly dividing the word has been refreshing and I can say there are many Black SDA pastors who appreciate your platform and voice and see you as a brother and ally in the body of Christ. Having said that with sincerity, I’m legit grieved by your irresponsible misrepresentation of SDA beliefs. You are a seasoned pastor and scholar but your explanation in this podcast of our beliefs seems like you didn’t do thorough research. Do you have any SDA pastor friends you could have asked? Did you even go to the official website and look up our official statements? Interview a scholar at our seminary’s and universities? You clearly didn’t! I think you should have an off camera conversation about our beliefs with a group of us before you write any more books or espouse to be an expert on whether we are a cult. Very disappointed in you But open to a grace filled dialogue Respectfully MyRon

[@danieltrueheart]

Thank you Myron. Slander us with truth but the lies made me spit out my water.

[@user-cy3fg4ij4k]

I hope they invite you on to correct this slander bc boy I was hot when I heard that nonsense.

[@michelledaley28]

You’re a pastor so you should know better. The man did not say anything wrong but you SDA’s don’t seem to know your own beliefs

[@nikkio-xq5gw]

Interestingly enough the SDA church has an initiative to get a copy of “The Great Controversy” by EGW in every home, heard this in church. Why not give out copies of the Bible instead? They are even having special copies of “The Great Controversy” made for the solar eclipse. Is the Bible not enough on its own?

[@danieltrueheart]

@@michelledaley28 as an sda we are all telling you we do not believe egw and the Bible are equivalent yet here are you guys telling us we believe something we are all telling you we don't believe

[@genuinefaith4600]

I agree with some of the comments. Jackie and Preston should consider having a sit-down with an SDA member/members😊 Would be lovely to watch.

[@sensualnina83]

They have an episode already w this

[@IndieGoInspire]

Please tag the episode.

[@genuinefaith4600]

​@@sensualnina83really? Please let me know what is the title of the video?

[@Leesmac]

I would love this!

[@lisabeyond8166]

Yesss

[@pabimbedzi]

God is doing a deep clean in the church globally! THIS IS SO SO CRAZY! Just yesterday I was talking about the EXACT same thing with my friend in the car on our way to church only for the bible study to touch on the exact same thing! that God is doing a deep clean globally and many churches all over the world are getting the same message!! And on my break from work the next day (which is right now as I type this) I haven’t watched the Perry’s in a while and then BOOM! The exact same message!! JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE! Repent everyone and go back to your First Love!!! No matter how deep the sin! Go BACK to God! No ways Lord!!! 😭🔥🔥🔥Thank you so so so much!! 🇿🇦

[@tinicoleofficial]

That’s so true!💯that’s why I wanna make sure I’m living right for Him🙏🏾

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@yoursassyrealtor]

You're absolutely right!! We have strayed so far from God that you see people say some of the craziest things in the pulpit. Where's the reverence for Christ?

[@kimberlyweldon340]

Right , no he did not! This man is wrong about the SDA. I am not a member anymore. However, the sabbath keeping and other beliefs align with being an Israelite. And, if your guest keeps Sunday sabbath ! He is acultish ffor the mark. Interesting conversation. But he is wrobg. Just cause you can call out denomic forces doesn't mean your nit down with them. Be blessed.

[@danibell2701]

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[@Adesewa392]

As an SDA, I realize people never ask us what we believe but make assumptions while calling us cults. I grew up as a Baptist and elder’s daughter, very active in church but had no sound knowledge. I became an SDA 10 years ago, I didn't accept the Sabbath at first but seek for a deeper walk with God, and I prayed to God to show and direct me to His truth. At the time I didn’t know about EGW writings. God directed me using His Word (The Bible) only and even though a few years later i left the church because I wanted to ‘live my best life’ I always had in the back of my mind the Sabbath and the teachings and held it as the truth. I have returned to the faith a few years now and it’s the best decision I have made. EGW writings are not held above or on the same level as the Bible, in her writings itself she urges individuals to study the Bible. If you have never read any of her books I recommend ‘Steps to Christ’ and ‘The Great Controversy’. Never assume without doing your own research. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

[@Sophiesugar1990]

Great Podcast! I’m a seventh day Adventist. I wouldn’t describe my religion as a cult. Preston I think you should have a conversation with an SDA as you did with the Mormons.

[@PURESSTV]

I pray the Lord lead them to someone who is Christ centered or else it will be a wrap. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@mbalenhlembali8409]

I am here it,for an Adventist who will give a clear description for the faith

[@gospelcentered101]

All the SDA’s on this feed that are defending it are either casuals or being willfully deceptive about the faith. I’ve commented on here several times and it keeps getting deleted and reported with shows me a lot about SDA’s. They deleted my comments again. We had to take a SDA off of a book project. Idk sda true beliefs. I got sent a ton of sda sources that casual SDA’s don’t know about. I confronted her and she didn’t deny it. Like not believing Jesus is God, the place of ellen g white in sda bible interpretation, investigative judgement, satan being a scapegoat and co-sin bearer with Jesus, and Sunday being the mark of the beast. Don’t report this comment respond to it honestly

[@TheKawiiPotatoe]

Same, I was and still am very confused about what they're referring to. I've grown up in the SDA church, gone to a SDA school, and Ellen G White was rarely mentioned. To call it a cult without providing any reasoning is odd to me. The guest kept mentioning "cultish tendencies" but tip toed around the topic without ever explaining what those tendencies were...

[@INEEDYOUHolyspirit688]

@@TheKawiiPotatoehe also contradicted himself when he said they were cultish, had cultish tendencies but we’re not a cult. In the next breath he said I think they’re a cult though. Confusion, so much inaccurate statements and no proof of his accusations.

[@LailaRCollins]

“I never want to be the Christian that’s not able to fundamentally understand my faith enough to defend it.” This whole conversation basically told me GO READ A BOOK.

[@AJvictors]

Hallelujah. You're a thinker. Never blindly accept what others say. Do as the apostle Paul Says: Test ALL things, hold on to what is good 1Thes. 5:21

[@danibell2701]

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[@SanctifiedLady]

Why have to defend what is true? The truth always comes to light with out effort

[@TheCupidsMuse]

When I “deconstructed” it didn’t really have a name. I wasn’t in church but my hearts desire was to know my creator not just traditions and religion. I legit wanted to know the One who caused me to be and what that meant for me and life. God met me where I was and has been so patient with me and continues to be so. It has helped to not allow God to be diminished in my mind/heart due to the actions/behavior of others as I get to know Him.

[@Blossoming242]

This right here! ❤

[@rmanS2C]

I hear this my sister but I will say that Christian community is needed. God doesn’t want us to have a relationship with him in a vacuum. He wants us to have a relationship with him in communion with our brothers and sisters in Christ who he also created and who we share the blood of his son. This is what I believe Jesus was conveying in the story of the Good Samaritan when someone asked him how to obtain eternal life Luke 10:25-37. Even in the Old Testament after the temple was built people could only offer sacrifices at the temple. It wasn’t something you could just do on your own at home. I say that to say yes, it’s important to build your own relationship with God. But I believe the best way to do that is through scripture. And if you read scripture and are indeed building a relationship with God you will desire to do the great commission because your love faith and hope will increase and you won’t want anyone to not experience his faithful love and mercy that endures forever. The Bible says in the multitude of advisor there is safety and steel sharpens steel. So it’s important for us to find community to hold each other accountable and help each other and pray. Hebrews 10:25 reinforced this. God bless you!

[@semayaali7938]

This!

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@sw9868]

​@rmanS2C Amen! We were born again into a family - a community of believers. The Church is a body - members of one another.

[@sailonsilvurgurl]

I am a 4th generation christian who worships on the biblical 7th day (that was never changed by God to Sunday), and who is looking forward to the 2nd coming of Christ- in essence, a Seventh Day Adventist. I listened as the gentleman discussed what SDA's believe and I honestly had no idea what he was talking about..there was nothing read from our doctrines or references produced to back up what he said SDA's believe. Many if not all of his remarks regarding Ellen G. White are false. Our beliefs do differ from main stream protestants simply because we fully embrace bible truth, and did not stop protesting. Following the Dark Ages, where bibles were not allowed to be read, the people were taught by priests who taught them traditions of men and not the bible (the Word of God) therefore leaving them in darkeness. God raised up protestants such as John Huss, Martin Luther and many others to bring aspects of truth to His people. All truth was not given at once as this would have been akin to suddenly turning on a bright light in the midst of darkness (as you can imagine, that would hurt your eyes). God gave enough light here and there and as time went on, He added truth to truth so that eventually the full truth could be seen. Unfortunately protestants stopped protesting..for example, Lutherans stopped protesting where Martin Luther left off. Methodists stopped protesting where John Wesley left off. There was still more truth to learn but many denominations did not move beyond what was known..this is true for all of us, in our personal walks with God, there is still more truth to learn..ask God to lead you personally and your family into all truth. Read and know the bible for yourself and not soley through the eyes and interpretations of your Pastor. As christians, we measure all things against Gods word and discard what does not measure up. We do what Christ did..If you are wondering about what was presented here and if SDA's are a cult.. (BTW, we are not a cult)...please take a look at this: kzbin.infoY-xtCKKlwqo?si=n74yA1Rl4N5-XKfm GOD BLESS!!!!

[@Drhenterprise]

You know, I've been listening to you guys for just about 2 years now. I am raised SDA and, as an adult, became an SDA and what's interesting is that although you have never claimed a particular denomination, based on your interpretation of the Bible truth and concepts, it always seemed to me that you were either raised SDA or God has spoken the same Bible truth to you. You guys need to sot down and have conversations with SDA leaders or members and you will be surprised how much you and us do see the Bible truth the same way. Unfortunately some of your opinions shared may be what your findings were but I can assure that you were malinformed. One thing I've admire of you, Perrys is the ability to converse,hear and see things from different perspectives. Continue the great work!

[@alisonmiller2708]

Dear Mr. and Mrs. Perry, please do an interview/ apologetic dialog with Ivor Meyers and / or Walter Veith. You can find them both here on KZbin. It would be very interesting and clarifying to see and hear your discussion with these Adventist apologists. As children in the Lord's family, we must reason together with love and mutual respect. The ball is on your court family. Please at least pray about it. Maranatha🕊

[@nutdrill]

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[@aprilcontessa]

At least watch the testimony of Walter Vieth, from atheist and evolutionists to Christian-incredible story.

[@francisfrancis7431]

I think Mr and Mrs. Perry would find the inteview like no other they have done or will ever do. I pray it happens.

[@ucucucc]

The church I attend is not in a building as a church, but but in a rented shared room. Five or six people gather to pray and praise the Lord. The pastor has been praying for 30 years that we need a church, but We are thankful because we know that where two or three people gather, Jesus is there. In Japan, where I live, the Christian population is estimated to be 1%. It is considered unacceptable because Shintoism and Buddhism were originally there. I once had a hard time fitting in with my surroundings because of that. I had a difficult time. Please pray for Japan.

[@theonlymeaning]

I will PRAY FOR JAPAN !

[@prayerpower1585]

Keep praying.

[@sarawilliams382]

Magnify Studios is creating a worship album in Japanese, and I pray that more projects and believers flourish in Japan!

[@tracyonyenwe6062]

You guys are doing beautifully well by not letting the physical appearance of where you gather to worship affect you. I commend my brothers and sisters in harsh environments who don't let it discourage them from loving the Lord ❤ God bless you all and I love you ❤️🤗 I will put Japan in my prayers 🙏🏻

[@KeeKeeNice]

Wow. Stay safe 💕 prayers up, good work!

[@markrichards555]

Jackie and Preston you should have a conversation with someone who is SDA it would be a good conversation and I love y’all both and think your ministry is great!

[@ladilikeki1725]

Agree! Wesley Knight out if Atlanta

[@melissaperez5877]

Agreed!! Doug Bachelor would be great for a conversation like this

[@rotihughes6221]

The SDA are the Christians that protested and didn't step back. They say the Papacy is the beast not all Christians

[@markrichards555]

@@melissaperez5877 oh indeed !!!!! I love that dude !!!! A great teacher and so down to earth!!!!

[@BiGGMiCC]

@@markrichards555 Dwayne Lemon, Randy Skeete, Dr. Eric Walsh, Pavel Goia, David Shin, Walter Veith, Sebastien Braxton, and Norman McNulty are all great apologetics that would be great for a conversation!

[@mackclemons9145]

Small thing: I love that Preston is holding on to Jackie's foot. The slight connection here speaks volumes to me. As a man who loves/needs physical touch and understands the comfort and connection therein while having this intimate yet intelligent conversation, speaks to the intimacy here.

[@leahberry8073]

I didn't notice this until you pointed it out! But it is good to see a couple express their love and affection to one another in a subtle way

[@JoJo-yz3po]

Really, that is what you got out if this🙄

[@ThisIsJ.Nicole]

​@JoJo-yz3po It's an observation. Nothing wrong with that.

[@cherigipson1278]

I noticed that too 🥰

[@theofficialmvb]

Please invite Pastor, Dr. Myron Edmonds on the couch. I'd love to hear the dialogue with him in regards to Adventism and the SDA church. 🙌✊

[@gospelcentered101]

All the SDA’s on this feed that are defending it are either casuals or being willfully deceptive about the faith. I’ve commented on here several times and it keeps getting deleted and reported with shows me a lot about SDA’s. They deleted my comments again. We had to take a SDA off of a book project. Idk sda true beliefs. I got sent a ton of sda sources that casual SDA’s don’t know about. I confronted her and she didn’t deny it. Like not believing Jesus is God, the place of ellen g white in sda bible interpretation, investigative judgement, satan being a scapegoat and co-sin bearer with Jesus, and Sunday being the mark of the beast. Don’t report this comment respond to it honestly

[@TheUrbanAdvocate]

I went through a sort of “deconstruction” a few years ago…I had to reevaluate my faith because I was under “prosperity/word of faith” teaching for a long time and it led to a lot of disappointment. I had to deprogram my mind from a lot of those teachings and go back to understanding what was biblical. Now I believe I have a healthier view of God and a healthier relationship with God and I’m continuing to grow and mature in my walk. It was necessary. Peace and blessings!

[@mramirez5239]

I like that-"deprogram" rather than "deconstruct". I've heard others (like Childers and "Mr. B") calling the "reprogramming" a "personal reformation."

[@naturalhealermom]

@ivormyers would be an excellent person to speak with for a conversation on SDA church culture and beliefs. Please consider it, Perrys. Always appreciate your ministry. God’s richest to you and your family!

[@patriciaharris6422]

I'm so glad yall are addressing cults because it's really wild out here. And I already know Dr. Mason's gonna bring dat 🔥🔥🔥

[@afrofaeries]

There are SOOO many cults trying to recruit on my college campus, it’s scary 😭😭😭

[@patriciaharris6422]

@@afrofaeries WOWWW. I've been researching their recruitment strategies and found that they've specifically increased targeting college students. Thank you for confirming.

[@JaySmith.]

I appreciate Jackie’s honesty especially about confessing out loud to God how me might desire things that are not rooted in Christ but being honest enough with God to give him our desires so that He can fill us.

[@KayK-g6v]

A part 2 with Dr Mason would be great. Such a fruitful podcast!

[@oscarmike1131]

Yeah we need a part 2

[@ashh7877]

I agree! I would love a part 2. Specifically about the "neo-prosperity" gospel. It's so discrete & it's something I've been thinking but didn't know how to articulate it@@oscarmike1131

[@INEEDYOUHolyspirit688]

That would be really welcome especially after they have had a part 1 with a SDA to address his comments.

[@pureinvesting]

kzbin.infoajgWRKhKlmg?si=6FtAcx4VcpceXSow A response from the SDA guys

[@danibell2701]

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[@juligraham7319]

I thank God for hearing my prayer in the depth of my despair. I got on my knees and prayed to know His truth and whether I should stay in the Seventh Day Adventist Church or not. I was born into the SDA faith but my own pastor was challenging EG White and insinuating that she was a false prophet. I pleaded with God that if this was true, I would walk away from my church, give up the 7th day sabbath and all of my church family to follow Him completely. All I wanted was to know His truth and asked for discernment to keep me from deception. Needless to say, He kept me in the Seventh Day Adventist Church and guided me into another Seventh Day Adventist church family that was serious about following Jesus and His word. Even though It was one of the most difficult challenges I have ever gone through, Jesus used it for good to really ground me in His scripture, to understand the biblical role of a prophet, and to set me on His solid foundation from which I cannot be moved by His grace. ❤️

[@ntokozosishi]

Thank you Holy Spirit for leading me into this conversation. We neeeeeeed part 2 and a LIVE version of this. The Church needs this edification 🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@nutdrill]

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[@91Lennard]

Adventist here. I would encourage a level of humility from my fellow SDAs in the comments, and honesty. Looking at our history as a church, holistically past and present, especially in the west, the many ways in which we have acted and continue to act that earns us the title “cult.” Ultimately, we aren’t but I get it. One bad apple can spoil the whole bunch tbh in case anyone thinks I’m broad brushing. I appreciate and honor Dr. Mason and his ministry. He’s a very important voice in the culture on behalf of the kingdom. For the sake of fairness though, I would encourage building bridges. Y’all gotta rub some shoulders with some black Adventists on here like Ps Debleaire Snell because the spectrum is real 😂 Funny enough just last night I was listening to David Asscherick’s presentation on “The Ecclesiastical Trajectory of Reform.” if you’re an Adventist give it a listen. Let’s be better.

[@brendarewan7441]

Why are you honoring this man who has spoken my falsely and also omitted talking about the biggest cult in the world.

[@keke7085]

so the big question is that what make an Adventist an Adventist? It can not just be the Sabbath because there are denominations like the Seventh-Day Baptists that observe Sabbath. What defines an Adventists and does the influence of EGW have any bearing on the definition?

[@91Lennard]

@@brendarewan7441 two things can be true at the same time. I can discern his sincerity and acknowledge where he is sincerely mistaken. That doesn’t disqualify his call to ministry or him being a child of God.

[@91Lennard]

@@keke7085 like I said, it’s definitely a spectrum. Check out the “Seeking What They Sought” podcast, they had a whole series dedicated to exploring the question “What is an Adventist?”

[@keke7085]

thanks for the podcast recommendation. I think the church (SDA) has a somewhat problematic history and beginning (like many denominations) and I think some current younger leaders of the SDA church are trying to address this issue, however not so sure about the leadership at the top levels. If issues of diet and dress (wearing jewelry, etc) are presented as issues of Salvation then there is a huge problem…..

[@laurriecampbell7104]

Their gifts took them further than their character. WOW! I have listened to this twice already. Learned a lot from this conversation. This is so needed…

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@nutdrill]

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[@TheTransfiguredLife]

"We don't do evangelism anymore. We just attract people to stuff" - Dr.Eric Mason Unfortunate yet great point! ☦️🔥🔥

[@sharontabiwalker1010]

As an SDA believer, we believe Jesus is the Savior, EG White writings are not above the Holy Scriptures. Many read her writings as inspiration. However, SDA is a Bible believing church. Members attend church when invited by friends or family and are not micromanage about where you were when you didn't come to church. We believe the Sabbath is the day God set aside for rest. However, the scripture states in John 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. So that let's you know everyone will not be of the same denomination. Seek the Lord while he may be found. All this beating up on different denominations is many times a distraction. Seek to have a true relationship with God and He will lead and direction you.

[@kangruckus5939]

I too am an SDA believer and there are some members that hold up EG whites writings above the Bible.

[@danieltrueheart]

@@kangruckus5939 which members? Like what sda church specifically and church leadership are we talking about?

[@kangruckus5939]

@@danieltrueheart I’m not naming anyone I have experienced this over the years. Not all SDA believers do this but there are some.

[@dianahe2814]

I am not SDA but I have met and know SDA people who do hold these writings as scripture and even above scripture. It's hard because I'm not sure how to approach them with the gospel.

[@gmurder13905]

@@danieltrueheart There are teachings of Ellen white that are not biblical that are preached, ex: Satan went to other worlds to deceive them and failed, we were the only ones that fell. That is not biblical but is taught as so in some SDA churches, i know because i grew up SDA.

[@Candie4JC]

I think the Perrys would be surprised how many SDAs really love their views of theology 😂

[@PURESSTV]

For some reason I have a feeling they know hence Jackie's comment🤣

[@lenesiaboddie2460]

I agree with @Candie4JC. In there is a large group of Adventist in my area waiting for the “With The Perrys” tour tickets to drop so we can all go!..lol

[@gospelcentered101]

All the SDA’s on this feed that are defending it are either casuals or being willfully deceptive about the faith. I’ve commented on here several times and it keeps getting deleted and reported with shows me a lot about SDA’s. They deleted my comments again. We had to take a SDA off of a book project. Idk sda true beliefs. I got sent a ton of sda sources that casual SDA’s don’t know about. I confronted her and she didn’t deny it. Like not believing Jesus is God, the place of ellen g white in sda bible interpretation, investigative judgement, satan being a scapegoat and co-sin bearer with Jesus, and Sunday being the mark of the beast. Don’t report this comment respond to it honestly

[@ewurabenagyamfi]

Very true 😂

[@makenariungu620]

@@lenesiaboddie2460 cant agree anymore. Been a huge fan of With the Perry's as an adventist.

[@patriciaryan1716]

Oooh Jackie, "confess and Have The Lord fill me, so I'm not filled by the people" woah But thank you for being transparent. Help me do this Lord. Amen

[@KRashad]

I’m 20 mins in and it’s the postures for me. The display of honor for the man of God, the bigger brother in Christ, and father in the ministry, Bishop Dr. Eric Mason. My heart is warmed to see two solid, younger black theologians have a bigger black brother theologian to look up to. ❤🙌🏿

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@pureinvesting]

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[@nhy833]

the bible says " study to show thyself approved" .... also the bible says we have to "be wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove" in these last days... my point is not bcaz ppl are black we should believe what they say...false prophets are everywhere.... know the truth (Word of God) for yourself. Study and pray and the Holy Spirit will lead u into all truth....God bless

[@prayerpower1585]

Be careful how you look up to fellow Christians and call them father. The Bible tells us not to call fellow believers father.

[@brandij7205]

There needs to be a part 2. This conversation was so good and definitely needed in the climate today....

[@nutdrill]

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[@DevronHuntley]

Honestly, I did not expect for the Perry’s to come back with this kind of banger! This is literally why I love this channel because they are not afraid to tackle the hard stuff and have an actual out discussion about things that people are afraid to talk about

[@user-dh3qc3pq3g]

Back in the 90’s I was searching for truth outside of my Christian roots and it struck a chord when he mentioned Cheikh Ante Diop, because that’s exactly where I was thru his books and original audio recordings my father gave me. I also had an opportunity to go to a book signing for the Metu Neter and asked the author an honest question. The book included incantations in “Kemetian” language to be used to call on different entities to aid you in various aspects of life. Since it wasn’t English, and I didn’t understand the language being used, I asked “What if I’m not saying or speaking the words correctly?” Bruh gave me a cold, blank look and just said, “Don’t say them incorrectly…”, let the room stay silent for a beat and then moved on, “Next question….” I never picked the book up again. That was the beginning I my journey back home to Christ.

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@tinicoleofficial]

Wow! I love how God can use anything to catch our attention & bring us back to Him🙏🏾

[@Jquarles1973]

I’ve been saying for years that we as the church have lost our identity in suffering. Paul never boasted in his blessing but he boasted in his suffering.

[@Toyed1987]

Amen!

[@sensualnina83]

Literally had this conversation last night! We need to know him in the fellowship of his suffering...we don't hear anyone preaching about suffering. Help us Lord

[@tinicoleofficial]

Bingo!🗣️

[@wayNAY87]

Listened to this episode on repeat on Monday throughout the work day cuz there were so many gems.

[@daphwill]

This is exactly what I am thinking

[@maliciareader9589]

I agree

[@tinicoleofficial]

Sooo many gems💯✨

[@charleneb.6583]

Listened yesterday on Spotify! Great episode! Part 2 definitely required!

[@pureinvesting]

kzbin.infoajgWRKhKlmg?si=6FtAcx4VcpceXSow SDAs response on this

[@charleneb.6583]

@@pureinvesting No thank you!!

[@jirrehsengeri9878]

1:07 and the Lord is already teaching me something. Jackie is always quick to speak out her challenges with the flesh in regard to her attitude. 1. It helps us see that she is human. Many times we think that our teachers do not have the struggles we have. It helps us not to idolise a human and remember that only God is perfect. 2. She shows us how to deal with these issues. First say it early so that it doesn’t eat you up inside. Secondly, say it to someone who will hold you accountable. Lastly, and most importantly, give it to God and ask the Holy Spirit to deal with you. It’s in the little things where we minister to the saints. Glory to God.

[@anonymousd9253]

As an SDA youth who loves watching Perry's Podcast and listening to her messages, I am surprised with their perception and their mentality and attitude towards particular churches. such the SDA. I cannot speak for all, when I say I am deeply Not offended. As your guest mentioned, there is a remnant of God and whether you like the SDA or not, we will all be tried in the fire and tested or even persecuted and be hated. the more you speak about us in that manner makes me realize that it is just part of Gods plan for us as SDA Christians. it hasn't change my mind on following and believing that the 7th day sabbath is a Holy day. I have been a bible believing Christian constantly seeking thus said the word of God from my youth. I honestly do not see how different you are from us. I appreciate this discussion. It was a good discussion.

[@s.thomas9493]

Christian here born and raised SDA, my father has been a minister in the SDA for the 33 years of my life. I was surprised that he labeled SDA as a “cult-ish” because that has not never been my viewpoint or experience. The Bible is held above EG Whites writings . Also we don’t believe that just because you go to church on Sunday you have the mark of the beast. 😂 I would love to hear the Perry’s sit down with a SDA minister. Dr. Wesley Knight of Revision Church Atlanta would be a great guest!

[@rotihughes6221]

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[@All_Things_Made_New]

Unfortunately SDA Jehovah’s Witnesses the Mormons are all cults

[@michelledaley28]

My husband is Adventist and I know SDA’s are masters at denying their teachings.EGW’s writings form your doctrines and I know that for a fact since I have attended his church for years. Too many red flags such as sabbath as the seal instead of the Holy Spirit, the death of Jesus does not blot out your sins completely, Sunday law as mark of the beast. I don’t know why SDA’s are not honest about their teachings- and that’s breaking the commandment about lying. Many are studying their way out though as a lot of their teachings are not biblically sound especially around the new covenant

[@rashawntucker5316]

Agreed!

[@rashawntucker5316]

Never thought I’d see the day somebody on the show would come for Adventists! You can’t blame the whole church for the extreme few. Been SDA all my life and churches are as varied as they come. We do not revere EG white above the Bible….some individuals might. Not all of us….. wow. The religion isn’t cultish…. Some individual churches might be. Not to mention the offshoots that really misrepresent…. Smh. There are many teachings that are tradition, but our actual beliefs are biblical. …just like worship on Sunday is a tradition! 🤷🏽‍♀️ . Whatever…love God, love people. He will direct.

[@missdailyo]

Ty Gibson from Light Bearers is another great person to bring on for a chat about the SDA church.

[@shadstla]

Please do

[@afuaampomah3878]

I am a Seventh Day Adventist, and I'd like to encourage us all to watch the "Make it Plain" discussion on this interview. May we all know the truth by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, as the Truth will set us free.

[@golden.personality]

Literally been engaging with 1 Corinthians 3 through out the day and God directed me to this podcast. God is so good

[@kaylan.c.8056]

As a Seventh Day Adventist, I'm requesting an interview with a Seventh Day Adventist pastor to find out what the church is actually about and what we actually believe...because to me we are far from being a cult, we are the only church to this day that keep all of ten commandments and we look to the bible above everything else.

[@7thdayman]

MIP | Episode 33 | Are Seventh-day Adventists A Cult? Reaction to @WithThePerrys w/ Dr. Eric Mason

[@jermainerobinsonjr.5873]

I just want to say, thank you Jackie and Preston for speaking so boldly and sharing the truth, that is Jesus. The conversations are never surface level, and you both help us to think more in depth about what we as Christians profess to believe. May God enlarge y’all territory and continue to make you both prosperous in all you do in marriage, ministry, and in your personal lives (individually and collectively). Love yall! ❤️ and Pastor Mase you’re a real one! YALL BE BRINGING ON GIANTS IN THE FAITH THAT DONT REALLY HAVE A LARGE PLATFORM AND I LOVE THAT! Those be the ones, for real. Okay, see ya!

[@danieltrueheart]

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[@lenesiaboddie2460]

Unfortunately I don’t think the Adventist church was explained in an accurate way in this episode. I would love to see an episode talking about the 4th commandment and sabbath keeping. Having an actual Adventist on the podcast would be great to hear firsthand what the denomination believes. Some great guest recommendations are the following pastors: Debleaire Snell, Carlton Byrd, Myron Edmonds or Wesley Knight.

[@ralphthetxrealtor]

The not gonna do it because it easier for them to label SDAs as a cult 😂

[@zakila2cute]

I would love to hear that conversation! I have been thinking that sentiment since I started following them both. They are both awesome and I love their love for Lord and truth.

[@tinicoleofficial]

@@ralphthetxrealtorPreston constantly have convos w Mormons & JWs, so you can’t say that lol. I’m pretty sure they’d be VERY open to have convos w them

[@jefferdenerochester7530]

Ivor Myers is also a good person to have on. He went from being a religious skeptic to being a SDA pastor.

[@queeningod]

❤One thing about it ... Preston gone hold Jackie feet and I LOVE to see it ❤

[@mocheney21]

This was so good. I recently stopped attending a church in Houston due to the prosperity preaching and the emphasis on sowing seeds in the church financially. Pastor wearing gucci shoes and expensive clothes all while telling broke folks they need to give to the church in order to be rich. Would spend 15-20 min on the giving time. Noticed it got worst after he got married and a lot of things changed at the church that did not sit right with me. At some point I fell into that Christian form of manifestation/law of attraction mindset because I thought well if I am tithing and praying to God then I will manifest all these things but like they said it is simply the church mixing worldly views with the word of God.

[@nutdrill]

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[@danescabaez2896]

Man!!! This man is speaking truth I’m seeing a lot of the exposing and pruning. But also the Lord speaking to me in this season about opening every door of my life to Him

[@doraedge1182]

FINALLY!!!! I’ve been waiting for this. I remember when Pastor mason would come to Howard U for our impact events. Amazing teacher!

[@thegodsgirlpodcast]

Love him. This is so real. As a Pastor this conversation is so important

[@Dubblesteel]

People have questions that deserve an answer. If We Christians can't answers those questions, they will go to someone who SAY, they can. I lovin this podcast today.

[@alexianicole7268]

Yup

[@brendarewan7441]

This man has spoken falsely.

[@ileneferguson6457]

Thank you so much Jackie and Preston for your podcast and for the people you invite, I am so encouraged and feeling blessed

[@alishabenefield2738]

Please bring him back on for a part 2! I really learned a lot from this episode. It took me 3 days to watch to unpack everything that was discussed.

[@condesabeatriz9303]

This conversation was 🔥🔥🔥 and much needed. Thank you all.

[@isaacdavis5129]

It was great to hear Dr. Mason talk about the importance of liturgy, as a Lutheran Pastor I believe it is crucial to have in the church.

[@clumsydasmirf]

I listened to it… I was on board until he came for SDA…. I grew up in that church. The prophet that he speaks of… at no time, did her word ever go above the Bible. Neverrrrrrr…. So he’s misrepresenting an entire group of people when he’s never been a member, merely an observer and a researcher. I know that SDA churches in America are different from the Caribbean where I am from…. And it’s crazy how cavalier you pastor mason as a “godly” man can say these things. But I believe god deals with pastors who lead their flocks astray. So you have a good day sir. I await the time when god deals with you

[@Kemi4.0]

GIRL!! I came on here to say this...because YOH calling us a cult is slightly reaching. Unless ofcourse we are part of a cult and don't know it yet 🤣

[@keke7085]

The issue is that when ever you have a “leader” then labels follow. Jehovah Witness-Charles Russell LDS- Joseph Smith SDA- Ellen White All of these denominations came about around the same time and thus people tend to see them in relation to each other. The issue is that Adventists claim Sola Scriptura yet much of its is based on the writings of EGW. Issues like the investigative judgement (1844) are concerning . Also why Adventists do not celebrate the feasts (since they do keep Sabbath) are questions that people have and should not be ignored. In some churches the writings of EGW are emphasized a great deal. Dress reform, the health message seem to come from her influence on the church. Perhaps some view it as a very works based theology. When I attend church (SDA church) here in the U.S. most of the people attending are over the age of 60. The church seems to not be growing as fast in the West as in the Eastern hemisphere. People have valid questions and we should not avoid answering them…..

[@hlokomani]

Thought of the same thing, I wish he didn’t say that. But I think you’re kinda doing the same thing to him right now? Disregarding him as a pastor for one over-generalization, or some misinformation that could’ve been an honest mistake. For that one comment you think he’s leading the flock astray? Idk about that

[@Ann_0103]

@@keke7085 Precisely.

[@johngriffith8999]

Question, where was SDA started? Where was its founder from? There's no shortage of church splits in church history so if you hold to sabbatarianism but you don't bang Ellen g white, then why not split? Can you be methodist and not bang Wesley? Can you be baptist and not bang full immersion? Can you be catholic and not bang papacy? Can you be pentecostal and a cessationist?

[@breaunarawls7555]

This was so so good. They get deep here and this is what we need a spark of the conversation so we can actually start having the conversations and utilizing what we learn from it in our daily walk with God ! Thank y’all bless yall Amen 🙏🏾

[@Siya.N]

Yall need to get him back here!!! This conversation was sooo real and honest. "I want to see us shining well" "What are you saying?" "The prosperity gospel has been presented on the extremes" There are so many good thing in this conversation!!

[@QueenBreBaby]

This is such a good conversation!! Thank you Dr Mason & Perry’s for your obedience and passion for educating Gods people! 😭🙌🏾🙌🏾❤️ Ps We need a Part 2!

[@ashleykem8052]

Back when I was attending Temple, I was honestly at a place in my life when I was riding off my mama’s prayers. I would often visit Epiphany Fellowship and Dr. Mason always preached a message. I may not have been ready to receive but I always appreciated that I left filled with the Holy Spirit and that I was able to fellowship with true believers of Christ. Nice to see him here!

[@Nou75]

Great convo, but I'd love to hear from knowledgeable SDA minister to accurately depict the religion

[@kimbrown4772]

OMGGGGGGGGG this is my first time hearing of this powerful MOG and WOW!!! He has confirmed so much what the Holy Ghost has shared with me WOW!! Thank you Jackie and Preston Perry! This whole interview was off the chain!

[@aniamonet]

Learned so much from this episode! It gave so much language to the theology that our generation has adapted and proclaimed to the word, especially neo-prosperity gospel. Thanks for sharing this conversation!

[@PFaith99]

This felt like 30 mins. I pray that conversations like this continues and I hope you both bring him back. But I think getting his book would be great for myself and others.

[@vangiesutton2163]

So good. I feel like God is literally kicking the doors down in my life. He’s not forcing me to come to him but he’s placing a demand that if I want him I have to surrender every inch or crevice of my life.

[@theosaka69]

Me too. Happening now. My daughter is in college has turned against me and has abandoned her faith in the way that I raised her (One God, and Yashayah Ha'Maschiach who died on the cross for our sins - nondenominational Christians). Now, she tells me that I was a terrible mother, that she hates me and doesn't want to have anything to do with me. She has declared that she is aro/ace and identifies as part of the lgbtqia+ community. I raised her alone with no support from her father and we did struggle financially. But, she got into Stanford on a full scholarship. I poured my whole life into her and sacrificed everything for her. Her father popped back up right before she turned 18 and graduated from HS after not being in her life over 15 years. Now, she has completely turned away from me and is running to him like he's always been there and now he's the best parent and I'm nothing to her. I feel like my heart has been ripped out, stomped on and my soul is hurting. The hurt, pain and betrayal is almost too much to bear. But, TMH G-d is reminding me that even SHE (my 1 and only daughter) is not to be worshipped and placed above HIM. Only TMH G-d is worthy to worshipped and praised. He is the ONLY one I can lean on, press into and rely on. The pruning is REAL❣🙏🕊

[@LaithWallace]

Please invite Pastor @ivormyers, Pastor Myron Edmunds or Elder Dwayne Lemon to have a conversation with you all. Many things you’ve said here is not correct and it would be helpful to have an open discussion with an SDA Member / Pastor. It would show you are open to conversation about this properly to speak with a minister in the church. Let’s see what ya’ll will do. God bless. Praying for this conversation to happen.

[@merg-vh5sx]

Yaaaaaas! This.

[@BrittanyTurnipseedLive1]

Asking questions and wanting sound answers! Studying to show yourself approved but when you need guidance can’t nobody answer! Thank you for acknowledging that this is a major part of why some folks have and are deconstructing their faith! It’s not just folks wanting to wildout! You maybe surrounded by dozens of churches…and none of them are able to help you through the tough questions! I’ll be honest that some of those cults make you feel like they have answers and are willing to have discussions with you even if they are wrong…they will had you books to read outside of their main text. So thank you for acknowledging this!

[@Nessa78910]

This was sooo good!! I didn’t want it to end and more important, he made me want to read my Bible and read more of it more often… I hope he comes back to the podcast

[@daydreamerz]

We really need to use the right language. A cult is actually a controlling, high-demand group with a single charismatic leader that is difficult to leave. If everything is a cult, then nothing is a cult.

[@IAmDionneKelley]

This is such a necessary conversation!!!

[@brendarewan7441]

So many false “Christian “ denominations that he didn’t mention as cultic.

[@chantallwashington5166]

Omg! Can we please get a part 2 with the Doc! Outstanding episode!!!!

[@joldun]

I've been listening to you guys podcast and I've been truly blessed Sister Perry you're a very annoying teacher and your husband is a very supporting cast On this subject this podcast I am in total agreement I've been a believer for over 30 years and I've been disillusioned with the church but my faith is still strong in the gospel of Jesus Christ My prayer is that I find the church home that is balanced in all areas or in most areas in the gospel My prayer is that I find the church home that is balanced in all areas or in most areas in the gospel I had many friends that have left the church joined several groups that you've mentioned and have fallen away from the faith Continue to do what you're doing cause I believe and as I see you as I hear you're preaching The Truth of God bless you

[@leanagonzalez467]

His sovereignty and holiness demands our awe and reverence. This conversation takes me to Colossians! Understanding God and his character. Understanding our faith. Many leaders have jumped to application that we now have gotten used to having our learning done for us. There’s a need for discipleship that leads to maturity Orthodoxy (right doctrine) Orthopathy (right thinking) Orthopraxy (right practice) This leads to spiritual fruit and maturity.

[@ofmiceandmandrakes1005]

Feel like im on the couch with yall soaking this all up. Good stuff

[@malicwatts9650]

I grew up without a church but with Christian and SDA teachings. Like it was I was to honer the sabbath and I know the Bible. Didn’t know anything about Ellen G White and I didn’t need to know about her. And now I’m baptized into an SDA church. They didn’t emphasize her as much as some other churches do. Never felt like a cult. But I can understand why some people say Seventh Day Adventism appears as a cult. A lot of us have put Ellen G and the Bible on equal standing when it isn’t so. I don’t know if she was a true prophet or not. All I know is the Bible is true before all else, anything, and anyone else can be subject to error. I do consider myself SDA but that is apart from most teachings of Ellen G. I do my own study and believe differently from some if not most SDAs. Please read the 28 fundamentals beliefs of the SDA church, I believe many of those teachings are correct and biblically accurate. Not all. But for clarity I am personally not convinced that anyone here is going to hell because of the day they worship, food that they eat, or prophecy that they do or do not subscribe to, only as much as you do what God has lead you to do and scripture commands of you. I’d love to answer anyone’s questions about Adventism as best I can 😊

[@JT-ix8ku]

@malicwatts9650 what’s good?! The Word says “test the spirit…many false prophets have gone out into the world.”Which statement from EGW below is correct? Christ was the Scapegoat, which the type represents. He alone can be represented by the goat borne into wilderness. He alone, over whom death had not power, was able to bear our sins. [See comment above.] 12LtMs, Ms 112, 1897, par. 47 Vs. In the 1884 edition of her The Great Controversy between Christ and Satan (Chapter 18 - “The Sanctuary”) one reads the following words, It was seen, also, that while the sin-offering pointed to Christ as a sacrifice, and the high priest represented Christ as a mediator, the scape-goat typified Satan, the author of sin, upon whom the sins of the truly penitent will finally be placed.

[@Laurenmarie144]

She is not all SDA is!! I guess every pastor that has fallen in a representation of Christianity! Y’all wild

[@brendarewan7441]

Why are you SDA but don’t believe their teachings?

[@xtelfolaj]

​@@brendarewan7441 this is my question. They follow principles based from Joe Smith and her, so why go into that type of church?

[@afrofaeries]

@@brendarewan7441Cult member brainwashing in real time 😢

[@mramirez5239]

Anytime I have Dr. Eric Mason "randomly" on my heart and mind, within the next handful of days he pops up-like, every time! Hello! 🔥 "I think they have a gift that took them farther than their character can keep them." (regarding some pastors) 👏 Historically and continually a fact we *have* to be weary of: "Whatever Culture's big, subject/purpose/statement is, there's going to be a spiritualized version of that in the Church." 💗 (Jackie on the having a correct heart posture before bringing the Word of God to a congregation) "...and I had to tell God, '...I want glory. I want it. I'm insecure. I feel insufficient. I was a kid that nobody liked. I was a nerd , I wasn't cool, I wasn't-, but here now I have the opportunity to get something that I never got.' And so let me confess that so that the Lord would fill me so that I serve his people instead of having His people serve me." (I wish you had got to say about "even Paul...") 👏👏👏 The Church IS too soft! We *have* to be able to receive correction and rebuke not *for* the sake of being judged, but for the sake of repentance and moving into right standing before a holy and righteous God whose heart is for PEOPLE, not things of this world. I appreciate the circle-back attempt on what Dr. Mason meant by "rebranding the Church". I don't think I heard it, but I wanted to hear more clear articulation on what is meant by that term. (Or maybe it was hard to catch bc those who love, appreciate, and are familiar with Dr. Mason, we know how many things he can speak to in a small amount of time and that can happen.) I *did* hear this, though, among other things in this appreciated discussion: "Be passionate about being responsible for the Christian faith. Own it...take it seriously...be Jesus geeks, just-a nerd of the Savior." Hallelujah. I needed that. Especially bc earlier today I was feeling like a Sidney-feeling like I, too, "have experienced the Death of the Exclamation Point." (-L.H.) As a Christian, I can't afford to do that. God bless you, Dr. Mason. 🙏

[@sashaivey3961]

MORE PLEASE!!! Loved this conversation. (Love them ALL.) God has really been speaking to me on this subject. It is time.

[@kjg3green]

I haven’t returned to a church building since Covid. However, it has allowed me to focus more deeply and peacefully on learning who God is, studying my Bible more purposefully. When Covid sent us all “inside”. I believe God was trying to open our eyes to the fact that we don’t need a building to worship Him. I felt that God was watching to see who would still worship Him even when not in the building. So many people were so concerned about the building to “get back to normal “. But I senses God trying to show us that HE IS EVERYWHERE. Worship me more intimately at home sons and daughters. Being in the building was too much spiritually for me at that time. I could spiritually SEE TOO MUCH and it was affecting me. Covid helped me center my eyes and my ears on God and growing in studying and praying and dissecting my faith, what a good church is and what is not. And really focusing on how did Jesus move, how did Jesus teach, where did Jesus teach….because Jesus’ blueprint is the standard. And so this time away from the building has helped me to grow so much. I am not sure when this season will end, but I am sure of this season like no other.

[@powerofthelamb]

Brother Perry. I don't know if you will see this. This is Pastor Myers. I am here for part 3. It was brought to my attention that you said you had invited several SDA pastors to come on to your podcast to address SDA beliefs and that none of the SDA pastors responded, including myself. If I was was one of them, I never received such an invitation. I was told by several people you were going to reach out to me, but that reach out never came. if I missed it, my bad. But I am making this public in hopes that you see it and that others will bring it to your attention. I will reach out to you and your wife on all your other platforms as well. I am interested in having a cordial and respectful conversation with you and and sister Perry.

[@roselynglover8927]

Significance, Dignity. Speaking it into existence..

[@lexymartin6841]

Oh yes, I can't wait for this one ❤❤

[@ShawnaCroswhite-sy2me]

I love everything God is doing through y’all. The truth is so refreshing. Stay blessed.

[@whenyouwishuponastar6643]

I ordered the book. Let us rep the church and the faith well. Amen. Like many people, I appreciate this talk. I especially appreciate Preston’s passion for apologetics and people who turn towards the Moors because they deconstructed their Christianity. My dad has gone down this route, mainly I believe because of the racism he faced growing up and he never really got any answers about that trauma from the church. I am so thankful for people online and in churches who address this type of thing now. I’m praying for my dad to come around.

[@Chefcharlo]

He’s all over the place with SDA beliefs. I hope the Perry’s actually have a genuine conversation with a SDA that can actually articulate the faith

[@gospelcentered101]

All the SDA’s on this feed that are defending it are either casuals or being willfully deceptive about the faith. I’ve commented on here several times and it keeps getting deleted and reported with shows me a lot about SDA’s. They deleted my comments again. We had to take a SDA off of a book project. Idk sda true beliefs. I got sent a ton of sda sources that casual SDA’s don’t know about. I confronted her and she didn’t deny it. Like not believing Jesus is God, the place of ellen g white in sda bible interpretation, investigative judgement, satan being a scapegoat and co-sin bearer with Jesus, and Sunday being the mark of the beast. Don’t report this comment respond to it honestly

[@SRIBW]

I'm SDA and we do not view anything or anyone equal to God. Excuse me ... that aint funny. Jesus ...yes! Everybody else, have a seat.

[@KasiMalula]

Okay consistency 🔥

[@henny3230]

We need more Men and leaders like Eric Mason, God bless you sir and may the Lord bless the Perrys. In the name of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus Amen.

[@TenywaSarah]

Let's have another conversation with Dr.Mason! So so, so good, thank you for this 🙏

[@jherlenecargill4081]

I agree with all the other commenters. I urge you Perry’s to sit and have conversations with SDA. I am one. I live in Chicago. Come on over, cuh!

[@arvadasdaunited868]

Whoaa... I can't speak on behalf of the SDA church but I've been apart of the church my whole life and we've always been taught that Ellen White's writings should never be held to a greater standard than the Bible

[@leannewheeler5351]

But her writings are still holding influence over the church and theology.

[@steffiblake5295]

​@@leannewheeler5351rubbish that is not true. And you know it. The GC has rubbish her writings for years. When was the last time that you heard somebody preach and quote Ellen G white.

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@leannewheeler5351As it should be.

[@prayerpower1585]

​@@steffiblake5295The answer to this really depends on the local congregation. And the GC has not rubbished her writings.

[@patriciaryan1716]

Yes! Sad that we've taken away Liturgy, Creeds, that reminds us what we believe, teaches as well. Communion and God's Word. We can not loose the Sacred🙏🏽

[@annamolini6190]

Thank you for speaking the truth about the SDA Church! More Christian’s need to be made aware so they are not deceived. Please make more videos on this!

[@Ambrosha_Unscripted]

This is so good. I started this episode two days and have been taking it in pieces, taking notes because its so much to research and upack. God Bless you all.