Wolf Pack DLC Review: (WARNING) The POWER Of Western Star, Yet Very Challenging!

[@SnarkyRC]

The 57X is great for the Tennessee race track. It's very rapid with the high range gearbox. I use the 47X NF 1430 as a heavy crane truck. It works great in that role. I don't mind dead axles. My two favourite trucks in the game have them. I've used the 49X and CT681 on every map with no problem. I prefer them to any of the Russian rigs. Out the Wolf Pack trucks, my favourite is the 47X NF 1424. It's a champ in mud with only the diff lock. I've pulled AWD trucks out of the mud with the 1424.

[@NProvince]

Glad to see you like some similar trucks! They can be used in some really good ways as you did explain in those examples!

[@justinstrong9595]

Was just waiting for you to cover these, A Tribe Called Cars and a bunch of other snowrunner youtubers covered them but I was waiting for yours.

[@NProvince]

I appreciate that. I just wanted time to actually test them and cross check information with some other sources before I made a review

[@NProvince]

All Three Western Star DLC trucks will be getting an AWD upgrade as well as some small details like addons. Heres The Update: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXjGdGmahb6Fh9U

[@savagegtalks5912]

lockable diffs?

[@NProvince]

@@savagegtalks5912 Only the 1424 which had Diffs on previous versions.

[@GuyonaMoose]

Great video man as always. These are certainly the most controversial dlc trucks. Diff locking is far superior to awd. All three need diff locking. I use the 1424 as a long log hauler it’s a beast I pulled a set across the lowlands Maine swamp to the mill one shot! The dual axle 1430 gets the large crane and does good if you don’t mind tugging it around every now and then

[@NProvince]

Thank you! I really think the 1430 performs the best (Under weight). The OHD tires really change things. They are a challenge to use, but its fun to make them work right?

[@justinlynch3]

So you agree the 47's are front heavy, yeah I suspected that as well. Honestly the 57 really surprised me. I have a video of it hauling a Step-Deck trailer though the Devil's Mud Pit in North Port. Honestly for most of the way though it retained not to bad a pace a for a RWD. It did get stuck in one small spot right near the end where the mud get deeps for a few feet, normally you would winch there but I wanted to see if the 57X could fish it's way though that hole under it's own power, and it actually did. So while having a hangup at the end, with no diff-lock, no lifts, and a trailer behind it dragging in the mud, the 57X actually did conquer Devil's Mud Pit all on it's own without winching. Honestly with the lift and 44' tires whenever that gets fixed, I suspect the 57X will actually be a pretty dang capable truck.

[@NProvince]

I agree! I think the 57X is really nice for what it is

[@generaldisarray4146]

Great video, Nate. For me, these trucks look like an exercise in frustration. I think I'll be taking that $6 cost and putting that money into the "new video card" account.

[@FluffyGoat91515]

What I find interesting about this DLC, is that in it, the 57X has a decently good damage model. While the EXACT same truck in American Truck Simulator has no damage model. I wonder why? I’m guessing licensing agreements between companies for both games.

[@NProvince]

Ya I think alot of the way they are made was due to the licensing. In truth the 49X shouldnt have AWD, but they gave it that upgrade anyways.

[@FluffyGoat91515]

@@NProvince Speaking of which, all three wolf pack trucks IRL have Diff Lock, while only one out of the three trucks in the DLC actually have it. Weird. Hopefully this gets resolved.

[@NProvince]

I couldn’t find any info on their site about them having Difflock, but if they do, then it would be nice too have for sure! Wait! I did see Diffs mentioned on The power train

[@FluffyGoat91515]

@@NProvince 😉👍

[@jibbelynibblets2905]

i hope next season give a bunch of upgrades and changes to trucks that nead them like the derry long horn 4520. that thing should be destroying every other truck in the game lmao

[@NProvince]

The Derry was just given a Huge engine in phase 6 Maine. Im not sure they would upgrade it further. its torque went from 192k to 230K with that new engine making it the #4 engine in the game

[@BushmanTRX250]

I'm looking forward to see the k7m and k700 reviews in phase 8

[@NProvince]

Me too!

[@justinlynch3]

Seen a video from GamingWheel the other day, apparently he said confirmed that diff-lock will be added to the K7M and K-700, and that "adjustments" are being made to the Wolf Pack trucks. That's a interesting term as first I thought it may been fixing some of the issues, but he didn't say patches or fixes, he used the term adjustments. So, IF this is even true at all mind you, I am curious if any changes are coming to these trucks?

[@NProvince]

Thats good the Tractors are getting DIFF Lock. However these trucks wont get anything. Im pretty sure they will get the suspensions fixed and that will be all. Im ok with that really :)

[@justinlynch3]

@@NProvince Yeah there isn't much history of Saber changing things post-release. That said, they did (eventually) give the Boar OHD and I'm pretty sure the Derry 31 didn't always have diff-lock, wasn't Always on Diff and the Active Suspension mode implanted post launch in effort to fix the Derry after people complained about it, I'm almost certain it was. So there is some instances of Saber getting off their butt's and doing something XD Ideally I'd leave the 57 either as is or maybe at best add diff's. The 47 I looks offroad enough you can bend the rules a little and add AWD, they did it for the 49 which also doesn't have AWD in real life, so why not? But yeah I agree, I'm not holding my breath lol

[@justinlynch3]

@@NProvince Well we was totally dead wrong. Watching TC on the latest update for the PTS, AWD is coming to the 47's and 57.

[@NProvince]

@@justinlynch3 Ya man I saw that. Im kinda sad they just didnt give them diff lock, but I see it coulda been something where they werent selling that DLC alot because of it lacking the AWD. Honestly who knows right >?

[@justinlynch3]

@@NProvince Yeah I don't mind the 47's having AWD, they look offroad enough to fit the bill. I would rather just had diff-lock (no AWD) on the 57 as that really doesn't look like a offroad truck. But it is what it is. I'm honestly surprised the Transtar and CLT hasn't been given AWD at this point. Kinda feels like Saber is backed into a corner where if something doesn't have AWD people will complain. I guess it is partly their own fault though for making so many so overly muddy and not including enough road networks to really use RWD's (to the average player anyway). But yeah does kinda feel like Saber is at the point of just throwing their hands in the air and being like "fine just put AWD on everything" But yeag diff would been good for the drop axles 47.

[@vincent64ify]

Nice review, thank you Nathan!

[@NProvince]

Thank you!!

[@smythadjacent]

Great video! I'm not sure how trucks in this game are modeled, but all semi trucks are going to be front heavy (diesel engine + cab). I definitely noticed the lack of traction any time I didn't have a load on (either in the bed for the 47Xs, or loaded trailer for the 57X and 47X w/5th wheel).

[@NProvince]

Hey thank you! In real life for sure basically all trucks are front heavy. In this game however its a lil different which doesnt make sense all the time, but trucks like the CLT9000 are tail heavy. Thats why I always look at their weight distributions because we just never know lol

[@cesarfelipe7138]

6:06 WHAT WAS THAT ACCELERATION? o_O

[@NProvince]

That’s when you toggle off AWD (if you have it) and switch from auto to high gear when you’re at speed. It sends the vehicle into some type of hyper drive

[@cesarfelipe7138]

@@NProvince That's another one to my list of SnowRunner exploits lol

[@Sentient6ix]

New snowrunner player here. Since this video dropped, the 57X is now classified as a highway rig. Very curious about that truck, both in game and irl

[@NProvince]

Yes they have been, I also have an update video that should be linked in the description of this video showing changes made like AWD and new classification. It might not be linked, but I can add it now. I’m huge on the Western stars. I used them quite a bit in Season 8 and 9. Here’s that video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXjGdGmahb6Fh9U

[@Sentient6ix]

@@NProvince Western Star has a special place in my heart. Spent a good chunk of my childhood riding shotgun in a 4900SH pulling super B logs out of the bush with my dad. Great trucks

[@clutch44444]

The devs better be releasing a highway region soon so we can use these unused trucks

[@NProvince]

According to Maxpower he said there is a large network of roads in phase 8. Also we are going to do a challenge mode in phase 8 with this trucks when it releases! Super Excited!

[@clutch44444]

@@NProvince I heard so as well, hopefully Belozersk will allow us to make use of the highway trucks, so they're not just sitting around

[@tomasvanecek89]

Also, with phase 8, further fine-tuning of the characteristics of the Wolf Pack supposedly will come from the devs (after all they should "fit" into the off-road game). In addition, in those files there is another vehicle "Hercules Rezani", hidden for now... (as before 49x). Personally, I like the 57x 1430 the most, just for greater usability you need to create a mod if you want to use it more universally (ie off-road, ideally with AWD and optional DiffLock in Low, like most US trucks in the game). Nathan, thanks for your work here. It's great as always. I'm always happy to see your review of a truck I wanted/want to use.

[@NProvince]

@@tomasvanecek89 Thank you! Ya Im not sure they should get an AWD. I think A difflock and OHDs would double their productivity. If they are going to stay true to the license, WS does have a Differential on these vehicles per their website

[@darrelllundy3725]

I’m playing Snowrunner on PS5 - I’ve got a add Diff-lock and AWD to trucks without. Adding this mod gave the WS 57x those abilities, but it doesn’t work like I feel that it should. I’d like to see a Cummins engine added and more tire options- even studded tires for better grip and raised suspension.

[@NProvince]

Ya I know there’s a lot of mods for these. I’m not real sure about them, but I don’t use mods as well. Pertaining to engines I don’t think the Cummins is even an option in the game. Studded tires would be pretty nice

[@TooManyHobbiesJeremy]

Nice job finding some positives. I agree these trucks are a fun challenge.

[@NProvince]

Thank you! Its really fun in a coop

[@coreyperry9525]

I really hope they upgrade these trucks a little in season 8, thought they are nice trailer haulers

[@NProvince]

I think a diff lock and an OHD 1 would be perfect fit. We'll see though

[@uzdispal_cz]

6:06 High gear goes brrrrrr LULW

[@NProvince]

It does! lol

[@vladvulcan]

I think you should have listed the glowing liveries of the 57X and the 47X NF1424 as pros and the absence of one in the NF1430 as a con.

[@NProvince]

Pros and Cons are for performance in these reviews. The Aesthetics are in the Nprov score . Thank you for that suggestion :)

[@SuperKim098]

That 5 axel or 10 wheel truck got update and it dont have the 2 death axel you can use them now and it have awd now

[@NProvince]

I really hope they just added difflock instead of AWD so it would be like they are in real life. We’ll see. The community manager said he didn’t know of any updated to those trucks. Hmm 🤔 maybe he was holding out on me

[@SuperKim098]

Is on public test server so it will come

[@NProvince]

Good to know. Thank you!

[@dlmunlimited]

Great review! I watched it twice 😄I have done a lot of testing with these trucks and it looks to me that at least the 1430 have som sort of limited slip diff. Someone in the Sowrunner Discord also mentioned that the game files says "Diff lock=installed" on the 1430. I really don´t understand the controversy with these trucks. There have been 6x4 trucks since the days of Spintires and the WS pack is one of the best IMO. In my driving style I am used to relying more on the diff lock than the AWD anyways. I challenge both my truck and myself not to use the AWD for fuel savings and to evolve as a Snowrunner driver. It is a very rewarding experience. I don´t understand why you rank the heavy winch as an upside. As you know the only thing that actually makes the winch stronger is the trucks own weight. The different class of winch only dictates the strenght multiplier (medium and heavy is the same) and the lenght of the winch cable (heavy has the shortest). Since we talked about it from your 4x4 video I did some testing of my own and all testing proved that only the weight of the truck really makes any big difference. The loadstar 1700 with the scout winch was on par with the WS 1424 with the heavy winch. The Azov 64131 with the medium winch was slightly better than the WS 1424 with the heavy winch. The Cat 770G with the heavy winch was however totally superior in all testing. I would say that having the heavy winch is only a downside since you get the worst strenght multiplier and the shortest cable lenght.

[@NProvince]

Thank you! So the upside of a heavy winch on a lighter vehicle is still an upside. The winch type has a better multiplier as I explained when you asked that question. Weight is also a driving factor, but still to have a better base multiplier on a winch in an upside considering these trucks should be highway or heavy duty classes. Having a medium winch in the heavy class would be a downside. Then the winch would we even weaker considering the weights. A heavy winch on any vehicle is a good thing. Comparing the heaviest medium which (Azov 64131) against vehicles that weigh 1/3 of its weight is not a good comparison either. The Azov is 17.8 tons vs 57x at 5 tons. Considering that gap, the heavy winch on those trucks is a blessing Concerning the diff lock thing. No it has no sort of diff lock or limited slip. The game is set up where it either has it or it doesn’t. I believe they are going to receive it due to the irl trucks having difflock of which is found on western stars website. In the video I mentioned the reason the 1430 has better performance and my muddrunning tips video will prove the OHD 1 tires are superior than the other UODs. So the reason I am able to do well is weight driving axles. Now back to the diff lock. On my Azov 4220 video I explained how to drive power to all wheels when you don’t have difflock. 3 ways, auto, high, and low +. Low and Low- will not allow enough power to turn all wheels. They will not spin the same either due to lack of diff but it will allow them to drive. That’s a mechanic I’ve picked up from testing. Hopefully in the future they will add the diff and the OHD tires to the other vehicles. Next time I stream I can explain a lil further. It’s tough on a text platform lol

[@dlmunlimited]

@@NProvince Thank you so much for the lenghty answer 🙏 From the data mining chart I picked up at Reddit the medium and heavy winches had the same multipliers and my own testing only shows any difference in strenght if the truck weight is much higher, regardless of winch type. You are welcome to explain further in a later video if you like 🙂

[@NProvince]

@@dlmunlimited For sure! Ya So things Im seeing on reddit are different. I did find info before on different multipliers on different winches. I can try and message the devs and get clarity on this as well

[@vladvulcan]

For increased durability, I suggest you to use the Gb-V8 2700T engine. With their lack of weight, it won't hurt in performance, having 192k instead of 220k, but it compensates with having 220p of durability instead of 170p of the top one.

[@NProvince]

That is an option as well :)

[@Greg-ud3iu]

even though these trucks seem impaired i may buy them jic there is a highway/light offroad map coming this year. the cons may be moot from a highway map and we might get to do long hauls as well similar to ats

[@NProvince]

They recently have been all given AWD. There is a link to the update video for these. Also on stream I have used these quite a bit on the new Phase 9 region. I really enjoy these trucks. I think you will too :)

[@autonaxe8122]

Are they going to tweak these trucks for phase 8 update?

[@NProvince]

Im not sure. Other than making their raised suspensions work.. I think they are going to stay as is. :)

[@SnarkyRC]

Yes probably. There are a few upgrades for them in the game files.

[@Salad-Mon]

Woah~ now a lot of these have awd OR dif. Two being both and three just having either or

[@NProvince]

If you look at the update video posted in the comments you’ll see that they all have AWD now :)

[@henryoshea4951]

Sabre have said that the pack will get some tweaks in the next update, so ot may be worth taking the second look at them

[@NProvince]

That sounds good. If they update then, I will for sure do a relook for sure

[@driver-r]

good luck my friend

[@NProvince]

Thank you! Im really liking the challenge :)

[@DoubleX8620]

Very disappointing for a DLC Pack. I understand the 57X doesn't have AWD as the ground clearance and tall sleeper aren't good for off-road conditions. The tires are fine for me, but the big disappointment are the other two trucks, especially the dual lift axle deserves AWD and the other one as well. The other two have decent tire sizes, but at least all of them should have diff lock. Luckily on the PTS all but the dual lift axle have AWD now hopefully they all get diff lock and AWD to be useable. For now a mod does, but I hope they get buffed. Great review 👍

[@NProvince]

I definitely understand your frustration. To be honest they are vovational and highway trucks in real life with Diff Lock on back axles only. I think they coulda been highway or heavy duty trucks and been ok, yet I understand that it is an offroading game and its super hard to use these without AWD. I think they will do better with AWD though in game. Thank you for those kind words as well :)

[@tenzinlhamo93]

I tried these trucks but they are worst at off-roading and I like the paint jobs and stickers.

[@NProvince]

Offroading is going to be challenging in them for sure. If you got a friend to play, Coop will make them more enjoyable. Ya paintjobs are nice too!

[@Bryan25105]

nice one nath , i heard that the wolf pack will get some tweak in the phase 8 so i guess you will have to do another review after 🤣😅

[@NProvince]

Thank you! What teaks? I wonder if its just the raised suspensions or tires

[@Bryan25105]

@@NProvince they haven't says much atm , hopefully we get more than just the raise suspension 😅

[@NProvince]

I think the licensing will forbid that, but I think an OHD on all of them will be quite powerful

[@Bryan25105]

@@NProvince will see buddy how they sorte things out

[@vladvulcan]

The Western Star 47 _X-ray November Foxtrot_ 1430 is a joke with it's small dead axles making unable to move when they are extended

[@NProvince]

It actually performs better than all three truck because of the OHD tires despite the dead axles.

[@codenamegeorge8861]

it does shock me where and how well they will go and i think it is a fun challenge

[@NProvince]

I agree :)

[@vladvulcan]

I tried and have refunded it the same day. Not worth the money

[@NProvince]

Highly disagree, but I can understand wanting your money back for sure man

[@franzbauer1367]

bought this DLC yesterday. guess i should've kept my money. i'll get the first one as a highway truck i guess

[@NProvince]

Hold on to them Franz, They are getting AWD here on the 13th of October Im told

[@jaywilliams8327]

The wolf pack just pisses me off

[@NProvince]

I love it man! Its hard, but Its really fun with a friend :)

[@jaywilliams8327]

@@NProvince damn don’t say that out load ur encouragement is bad lol

[@jakeraines8046]

what i find stupid is that all of them have a physically modeled difflock switches on their dashboards in 1st person yet only 1 of the 3 actually has it.

[@NProvince]

Very Good Point! They all have Diff in real life so why not here?

[@GhostofCerberus]

i buy dlc truck packs at this point just to sell them.

[@NProvince]

This one is a challenge for sure if you decide to keep em :)