WHAT IF ROGAL DORN RETURNED NEXT?

[@bluebird8105]

Dorn is already back he is in the Throne room of the imperial palace posing as a very adorable centurion. He spends his time building treehouses (he is the best treehouse architect in the galaxy, playing Fantasy RPGs with his Dad, Magnus a few of the fabulous custodes and a few high lords, occasionally he also plays Stellaris with the captain General, Vulkan and a few others. I thought this was common knowledge

[@cosminos5609]

He also raises Boy to be a space marine

[@LordMuffinToken]

F

[@space_cadet_alien]

@@cosminos5609 he became the founder of the Adeptus Boystartes

[@Gwolfsoun]

If only

[@mikewaterfield3599]

To everyone except GW.

[@colbillington]

Rogal had the desire to see the Throneworld for himself, because that's the best way to enjoy seeing the Throneworld: for himself

[@janringbeck4119]

Cheeky

[@celsetialarchives5909]

Dorn:*returns* The Imperium:*+50% fortifications*

[@idcgaming518]

Also +50% voidcraft combat skill.

[@project9701]

It would be hilarious-in a perverse sort of way-if TTS was right and Dorn faked his own death so that he could atone for the greatest of all failures-failing to defend his father while on the Vengeful Spirit. And, that atonement would be guarding his father's broken body until he returned-one way or another. It would even fit the character and his sometimes autistic nature of being so focused on individual trees that he forgets there IS a forest.

[@bluebird8105]

I heard that he actually survived...by being dead...in pretend.

[@bobloerakker7010]

That would be pretty epic. Although him being a bodyguard is a waste of his talents. 10.000 years is enough rogal, let's go.

[@koatam]

@Space Vatnik imagine not liking TTS

[@zeehero7280]

HE WAS DEAD- IN PRETEND

[@reginlief1]

Not as versed in the lore and characters yet, so I might ask, is it possible Dorn might have disguised himself as a custode and kept watch within the palace room to achieve this? You could even posit that he purposely left his “arm” lying around somewhere so that his sons wouldn’t look for him, or would at least have to look throughout the galaxy and not on terra? Maybe?

[@Del_S]

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[@zeehero7280]

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[@markcoroneos7811]

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[@sancocho1718]

Appearance: Adorable!

[@danielk3832]

I think it's worth mentioning that Dorn would have an instant legion strength force at his disposal. The Black Templars would immediately rally to him.

[@chrispilkington8662]

Possibly not given his opinion of the imperial creed and the templars

[@bluebird8105]

The legions of old where in the hundred thousands. The black templars are around 6k if I'm not mistaken. Combined with the other chapters ist might be a lot for 40k but it's not comparable with the heresy

[@chrispilkington8662]

@@bluebird8105 templars are 6-8 depending on who's numbers and if you count 'scouts' (don't remember the BT name). My point was that the BT might not really to him or he might drive them off

[@bluebird8105]

@@chrispilkington8662 probably

[@CloningIsTooGoodForSheep]

But an Angry Dorn could easily take the gold of a Marshall and lead a crusade.

[@constantinsilverfox5249]

Something that is always gets forgotten is the Imperial Fists unmatched skill in void warfare. The defensive wall building trope is more heavily 40k based than 30k. Thinking of the 30k and scouring character of Dorn, I can see him being at the Vanguard of a crusade. Vengeful, calculated and relentless fury surrounded by thousands of Black Templars, basically becoming his favored son.

[@Stlaind]

Another thing people (even Rho didn't comment on it!) forget is that Dorn and Guilliman were the two to have an empire before the emperor found them. They've both known what it is to rule and that could be a unifying force for the two

[@GuthanSlayer]

I doubt black tempalrs would be his favoured sons, he scolded and later punished sigismand for not only disobeying his order but also for believe in superstitious nonsense like prophecies, he was a firm believer in the imperial truth and would very much be disgusted by them if not just dissapointed.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

“Excited BT crusading noises”….

[@Stlaind]

@@GuthanSlayer you may wish to read Warhawk......

[@jdoggydogg]

I still think that the Black Templar refresh happened for a bigger reason than just selling models. Could it be setting up for the return of Dorn? No idea, but I just have a feeling.

[@macpyle1669]

The Imperium would benefit greatly from Dorne's fortification/defensive prowess at this point in time in the story arc...perfect timing actually.

[@andrewniehoff8612]

Perhaps, but someone has suggested that the Imperium would benefit from a more offensively-minded Primarch.

[@kiakaha307]

@@andrewniehoff8612 Dad was just as good at attacking as he was in defense, he just happened to prefer defending. He was no Uncle Horus or Uncle Sanguinius, but he is nothing to scuff at.

[@ryansauchuk7290]

@@andrewniehoff8612 the best offense is a good defense

[@APZachariah]

@@andrewniehoff8612 Guilliman has openly stated that Dorn's "Bastion Imperialis" is better than the Imperium's "cut bait" policy. The Indomitus Crusade is a realization that Dorn was right; there are no worlds worth sacrificing.

[@justiron2999]

@@ryansauchuk7290And the best Defense is a good offense.

[@ryanoneill7560]

Could Dorn be the warrior in Gold that Dante sees? In his grief at seeing his failure at Terra turn him to the path of donning a mask and hiding his face?

[@thecommentguy9380]

Sanguinius saw the warrior in gold with bearing the mask of his face and so far only Dante matched that description.

[@manishswami1104]

Possibly the Sanguinor

[@ryanoneill7560]

@@thecommentguy9380 very true, though visions can often be misinterpreted or misrepresented. Would be rather poetic though for Dorn to the one defending the Emperor at the last given his grief and dejection at his failure at the Siege.

[@normtrooper4392]

Dorn's ability to defend the imperium would probably allow his brother to be more offensive with less concern

[@willy.b.b3427]

Or could be the other way around. Dorn's time away could've made him more like sigismund, leading a crusade against the traitors and enemies of the imperium while guilliman administrates and structures the imperium.

[@LordCommander-ui2fw]

He needs both Dorn and the Lion if you ask me. The Imperium's shield and its sword.

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@willy.b.b3427 Choas would have a new ass hole if Dorn decided to weaponize his autism like Sigismund.

[@Interrobang212]

@@thecommentguy9380 this was basically the Scouring. Dorn is perfectly well capable of leading a Blitzkrieg with the finest of them.

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@Interrobang212 ah yes, that one time Dorn decided to be Black Templar

[@dr.rotwang]

Everyone thinks he's imprisoned by the Iron Warriors or crusading through the warp. I like to think that the chaos fleet that he attacked and the ship that he boarded was just a giant trap to capture and imprison him. But not by the Iron Warriors but rather the Alpha Legion. I want him to have been caught by Omegon and imprisoned in stasis, kept on ice till he is needed again. Also so 10K+ years later Omegon can get in the biggest reveal and I told you so ever.

[@thecommentguy9380]

the warp has its own laws so Dorn could be popping out after 10k years while it felt like a few hours to months to him in the warp

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Quite you….the walls have ears… -Hydra Dominatus

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Also, “ I am Alpharius….”

[@GentlemanBystander]

>everyone

[@toddolson4614]

I like the idea of him being sold to Trayzn by the Alpha Legion. Trazyn's yellow giant.

[@Stlaind]

Kaldor Draigo wandering around the warp gives GW a lot of ways to bring back any of the missing Primarchs who may have ended up going into the warp - Freeing Dorn from an IW daemon world, contacting Corax, helping Russ on his quest, etc.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

This idea is fucking epic GW definitely need to take this in consideration

[@robberyproductions1363]

Kaldor Draigo helping The Primarchs is an amazing Setup

[@thechriscrowing]

I think the whole premise that Russ/Dorn might be annoyed about Imperium Secundus assumes that Sanguinius didn't mention it at all between getting back to Terra and the Vengeful Spirit and the Guilliman never mentioned afterwards. Like, I can't imagine Sanguinius didn't give a bit of a debrief when he made it back like 'huge warp storm, couldn't see Astronomican, no messages from Terra, so we feared you'd been overrun and tried to set up something stable with what we had before fighting back. Also, we had the Night Lords and Word Bearers all over us. When we found that wasn't the case, we tried to get through but only one legion could make it, so here we are. I hope the others make it through in a bit." Hell, even if they didn't say so back in 30k, that whole thing took like a minute to explain, so I think Guilliman could get it through to Russ or Dorn with only a small brawl or none at all. If anything, I can see Dorn being more pissed off at Guilliman's Unnumberd Sons and rewrites to the codex that was apparently grounds for war ten thousand years ago......

[@ethanhopkins3263]

Well the primarchs were ashamed after finding out Terra still stood werent they? Like they completely dropped Secondus the instant they heard about the God Emperor needing assistance, so theyd probably not wanna share that fact lol

[@ctjmaughs]

Dorn makes a big impact initially but fades to the background to focus on building up defenses for the imperium. Will be a key figure in making Vulkan taking a more active role in the imperium

[@jaegerbomb269]

It would be cool if Rogal came back, but I don't see that happening any time soon. We'll see. I'm hoping for Corvus Corax sooner than later.

[@i2acf2011]

Plus, that would likely mean that Lorgar comes back too. GW isn’t known for their 2 for 1 specials, but that’s one I’d hope for.

[@Hadwerd7]

Rogal Dorn is dead, the lion is still alive and his whereabouts are known. He will be the next primarch to return

[@FYAjibber000]

@@Hadwerd7 missing a hand would hardly mean a Primarch is dead, it is suspected that he died but for all we know He decided it was an opportune time to walk away and let the Imperium take its own path

[@inquisitorsneed2]

@@Hadwerd7 he's far from dead

[@MutsuKazuma]

@@inquisitorsneed2 he's very dead

[@yourcheapdate4564]

I love that you were being sarcastic about Guilliman having a plan for Horus exploding out of the eye of terror. I bet you real money he does have a plan for it. The dude doesn't know how NOT to plan for everything!

[@Overlord99762]

*Dorn returns* "Brother, I am reinforcing Father's bones with steel and concrete..."

[@AsbestosMuffins]

"I'm alpharius!" "I'm alpharius!" "I am rogal dorn, and this is my chainsword."

[@I_Made_it_Up]

He’d have to come back as an iron hand lol

[@area609joe2]

^winner

[@D3sToD3s]

He'd rule with an iron fist.

[@AlternicityBlogspot]

Savage.

[@Mike-8404]

The way I look at it, if Dorn returns and gets a model than Perturabo will too. Pert would hear Dorn is alive and leading a crusade and he'll want to put himself front and center of a Chaos force combating it

[@davethedestroyer9727]

I know it's kind of a meme at this point, but after hearing that an unnamed centurion escorted the leader of the Sisters of Battle to the throne room to comune with the Emperor during Van Dier's meltdown, I think TTS actually got it right and Dorn is just on Terra defending the palace and ensuring it doesn't fall as a last line of defense.

[@LordMuffinToken]

Wait that centurion is real?

[@TheExostranger.]

I thought that centurion did have a name, I don’t remember the name specifically but I swear I heard his name from other videos

[@davethedestroyer9727]

I can't speak with any certainty, I am still relatively new to the hobby and universe, I just like trying to put the pieces together. It's entirely possible I'm mistaken about the centurion, I still like the thought though 😅

[@racketyneptune5559]

I thought it was a custodie? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought I heard it somewhere

[@TheExostranger.]

@@racketyneptune5559 no it might be custodian and me just mistaking it with centurion

[@nikot.9920]

Brother Rho has given us another great video. I'll be painting to this one for sure. Still hoping Russ or The Lion are the ones to return first though.

[@bradsimpson8724]

As much fun as it is to think about, I found that I lost a ton of interest in the setting when Guilliman returned. I much prefer the Primarchs being mythic figures with stories told about them than actual living, breathing, playable characters. I keep hoping to hear about Guilliman being killed; that's a story I'd read.

[@medramonmasquedecendres2966]

Random imperial Fist: our glorious progenitor has returned, praise the God Emperor !!! Rogal:..............What have you done, Sigismund.....

[@KV-oq8qs]

I’d like to see a theory video on what the Primarchs would have done after The Great Crusade had the Heresy not happened. I’ve been reading the books and it’s mentioned several times. Magnus was supposed to sit on the Golden Throne and running the webway for example.

[@justinokraski3796]

Guilliman would’ve probably been the chief administrator Ferrus Manus would probably become the Fabricator-General Alpharius Omeggon would probably be the secret police (NOT Inquisition) Sanguinius would probably be a patron of the arts or the face of Imperium (PR) Lorgar would be the propagandist Aggron could have been the Emperor’s personal champion, maybe bodyguard?

[@saltedllama2759]

Dorn has been fantastic in Siege of Terra (so far); especially when he helped spring the trap at the Saturnine. Fulgrim was there, in full demon prince form, squashing the few remaining Imperial Fists on the port, slapping around Sigismund, and then Dorn steps out. Standing there, leaning on his sword hilt just like the FW model, Fulgrim attacked him with speed and supernatural ability. Dorn absolutely whooped Fulgrim's ass. Fully empowered Fulgrim got wrecked by Dorn; then remarked about being bored of the war and having other interests beyond the throne world, he smoke-bombed and slithered away. But there was no doubt - Dorn completely shut him out.

[@Mike_Viola]

I'm calling this now, the twist at the end of the 3rd Bequin novel will be that the King in Yellow isn't who we heard it was. Dorn has now built a wall in the Warp to defend against chaos.

[@theplayerofus319]

A wall 🤣 " we need to built a wall" ... after Chaos laughs, Dorn: the wall just got 10 ft taller... trump reference sorry 😂

[@combomaster666]

Skulls for the skull wall.

[@jaqdraco]

Dorn looks at the Primaris, the reports on the geneseed changes "You approve m'Lord?" Dorn let's slip a smile "Cawl has fortified this position"

[@rogaldorn4285]

Thank you Wolf Lord. I shall return the day the Perturabo returns to finish what we started 10000 years ago.

[@WookieGroundZero]

**Roggy the Builder gets back** The whole IF: "Dad is gonna beat us..." (The Phallanx is in a bad shape)

[@yeoldchief7711]

Pain glove

[@graemealkins9138]

Phallanx got an upgrade from custodes

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

The problem with all returning primarchs is that Guilliman will have 100+ years advantage in advancing towards godhood. And not just from the point of view of the story, but for themselves in in-universe. They will be, for the fore-seable future, always second best - assuming that the worship of the Imperial population won't give them a boost... So, what role could they have? A loyal tool in the hand of their brother? Or a troublemaker?

[@ryansauchuk7290]

I'm not sure what worship you're talking about. People worship the Emperor not the Primarchs. They do respect and admire them but any Primarch cults would be exterminated faster than your Commissar can say "fix bayonets". I mean it took the greatest psyker in the history of the galaxy hooked up to a Psychic boosting Throne being fed thousands of souls a day and the fanatical worship of Trillions for 10 thousand years to get where he is, a century of being respected ain't gonna do much in the God department. Now if you're talking about bringing the military and political structures under his control then yes he would have an advantage if he had to go head to head with a brother.

[@RaimoKangasniemi]

@@ryansauchuk7290 The population's worship - or adulation, if we want to remove the implication of an actual, organized cult which there isn't - of Guilliman is boosting his powers, just like humanity's faith in and worship of the Emperor is turning him into an actual god.

[@John-dp3lo]

Dorn would be the second best return for the Imperium at this time next to the Lion. I am not a fan on the Dark Angels but the Lion is the perfect Warmaster next to the administrative genius of Guilliman.

[@bahisci10]

Yes but if Lion woudn't be a giant dick and do his own thing without consulting Guilliman because he is "lord of the first"..

[@Hadwerd7]

The lions whereabout is know aswell, i think Dorn is dead, being torn apart like the visions Conrad Kurze saw

[@John-dp3lo]

@Space Vatnik If you are referring to the Lion, he has the best strategic military mind of all 21 Primarchs. Well, we know nothing of the 2nd or 11th so I can't say for them. Kinda like the D&D difference between a sorcerer and a wizard. Wizards can learn it but with a sorcerer it is built in as well, it is part of them. That is how it is for the Lion. He can "feel" the tactical situation and act.

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

Even though I’m a huge Imperial Fists fan, I’m not sure he would mesh well with Guilliman, unless that split the duties between admin and military or maybe each takes a side ( of the galaxy ). How would the emperor react, on one hand he would have his Praetorian back and the other a son who created his own empire, a tough spot for Guilliman. A more dynamic story would be the Lion or Russ.

[@jaghatai_bulut]

Lion and Guilliman makes sense, Guilliman would rule, Lion would lead the armies. But Lion has a tendency to trust noone with power but himself. I can see serious drama between primarchs. Russ on the other hand has a tendency to act stupid. Things would be much easier if he stayed in Terra instead of chasing Horus and not trying to actually kill Magnus. Jaghatai is a good option but again, he does his own thing instead of actually doing what he is told to do. it usually turns out well but not reliable enough. My best hope would be Russ, returning as a matured man. Some Odin kind of trope would be awesome. I would love to see him changed into someone who is much wiser and much less impulsive. Like a wolf who has learnt to control his ferral instincts.

[@armholeeio]

Actually he had set out a series of worlds on warp routes to Terra as outer layers of his defensive line of Terra, fortifications ect as means of slowing down Horus. And slowly retreated as each layer collapsed

[@GentlemanBystander]

@Space Vatnik Bad read on the Iron Cage per usual. The Iron Warriors were the only combat effective traitor legion and didn't have an absentee Primarch at that point. If the purpose of the Great Scouring was to root out and kill traitors, you couldn't leave the most intact enemy force holding a beach head for invasion.

[@thodan467]

I think Dorn would´ve a very deep talk with Papa Smurf, that RG should run the Imperium and is irreplacable in that Position, but Dorn could fill in as imperial warmaster well enough, Dorn is THE Soldierprimarch

[@jeremiahjohnsson6480]

The main thing about Dorn is two things, a wicked temper and a mind that is ALL practical. He would have his blow up, then he would get down to business, he would want to know Everything, who, what, where, when, everything. If it had not happened yet, get with Guilliman. If the second empire comes up, the temper would kick in, then the practical. I don't think Dorn would remain to build defenses again, not this time, most likely "make" Robute be the defender to make up for the last time. He would cross the rift and find the Blood Angels and Dante and the practical would take over, practical vengeance.

[@Horus_the_Lupercal]

Bold of you to think I ever left.

[@bentuovila5296]

I read this in your voice.

[@MrReich1918]

Surprised a certain chapter Master hasn't shown up yet

[@Jdne199311]

He would build a Wall and have Chaos pay for it!

[@iamcaesar6741]

Dorn will be surprised when Guilliman tells him you were right and I was wrong I should have not broken up the legions

[@GentlemanBystander]

Would he though? I imagine he'd be either smug or indignant hedging heavily towards indignant.

[@RotGolem]

As a long time Crimson Fists player, I'd be a very happy Son of Dorn.

[@MWH12085]

Guilliman -Brother, I thought you were dead. Dorn-......No......

[@Dragunov0511]

I agree with everything you said, except for the fact that Dorn wouldn't come to Terra. He would absolutely go straight there, if not by his own will, the Emperor would surely tell him to, they would need to have a conversation after all this time and the Emperor would probably tell him how and what to do, like he told Roboute, there's no question in my mind about that.

[@GentlemanBystander]

Would he though? Dorn was the Emperor's crusader, he took nothing for himself save recruits to field more expeditionary fleets. Roboute spent much of the Crusade consolidating his own pocket-domain of 500 worlds that were at least, in part, loyal to _him_ specifically. I think the Emperor might be more like "Do what you do, son" rather than bring him back to Terra *unless* he brings him back to Terra *specifically* to disabuse people of the idea that the Primarchs are Princes of the Throne as some people seem to be styling Roboute.

[@willesco7416]

I'm betting IF/WHEN Russ returns, the first thing he will do is travel to Prospero to find Magnus and ask for his forgiveness. He was manipulated and felt guilty about it. It would be the biggest jaw dropping moment in GW history.

[@chaoslance4959]

Just imagine. A crusade to Imperium Nihilus. Guilliman stays back to do his favorite thing, statebuilding, while Dorn picks up the wareffort. We don't hear from him for a couple of IRL years, so long in fact Guilliman becomes worried and goes there to check. And he finds the perfectly running secular atheistic Imperium the Emperor dreamed about. Guilliman's ship is approached by Phalanx with one simple message broadcaster: "This is how you do it, brother."

[@momqabt]

What would I think if adorable came back? Yes.

[@tomoda7602]

Dorn: I've made an impenetrable fortress, unbreachable and unbreakable for you, father! Emperor: lol, *Teleports to enemy HQ* Dorn: Damn, my failure is immeasurable and my life is ruined.

[@haleonnovarider8182]

Dorn would be the single most stabilizing force with regards to a Primarch return that GW could employ. He is universally respected by the Custodes and has the unique capacity of having the most detailed understanding of the Palace of anyone outside of Valdor and Malcador. His mind is tactically on par with Guilliman and superiorly suited to warfare and defense which would put him squarely in the position of leading the next crusade, much like the Lion, however to Rogal's credit he is much more adept at fortifying and holding positions which would help a lot if he were to start reclaiming lost sections of Imperium Nihilus. I don't believe the Unremembered Empire would be much of a revelation to him as he was very close to Sanguinius at the end and he understood Roboute's mind, and probably had made similar contingencies himself if found in a position where he was cut off. The main thing to remember with Rogal from that perspective is that he as ordered back to Terra by the Emperor and subsequently assigned to build up the palace defenses. So while we know that Rogal is loyal to a fault and follows orders to the letter, he was also on the entirely opposite side of the coin from Gulliman with regards to the ruin storm and the situations that event created. Finally, I also think the setting of 40K supports an even closer relationship between the two than they had during the heresy and scouring. Guilliman is having to adjust to the ramifications of his own rules and subsequently adjust the use of them on the fly, and that being the case he is revisiting the discussions he's had with his brothers, probably most prominently those of him and Rogal, whom he wishes he could have back most. I could see Dorn not necessarily reforming the legion by name, but most definitely wielding the successor chapters as a legion. He would at minimum ensure that all of the chapters are in constant communication and logistically supportive of each other, and likely ensure that the basic battle doctrine of the legion was re-installed into their different regimens. All of that awesomeness being considered, I think it would just make the Imperium way too OP for Dorn to come back short of another end times scenario. GW can't afford to overload the Imperium or the story stagnates and dies, and right now all of the Chaos powers are in disunity so aside from the Tyrranids there isn't a threat so big that the Imperium has to truly unite and function on that level. The Lion returning makes sense because he is directly related to the story line of the amassing Fallen, and Dark Angels, and he has a dynamic and tenuous relationship with Guilliman so it makes for plenty of shifting stories in the future, but unless they are going to try and turn Guilliman into the new Horus by having him fall to Chaos somehow, Dorn would just be too much of an add

[@FnRenner]

Rogal Dorn reminds me a lot of Cable from the comics. Not the time hopping gimmick but the core personality of the characters. Cable is a proud warrior with inflexible morals outside of mission accomplishment. I could see the two drinking a beer together and sharing hair care tips lol

[@darksider2903]

Guilliman is the Governer, Dorn is defence minister and Lion is the Warmaster. What more do Imperium need?! Well if Russ returns, I don't know what role suits Leman 👀 Three of the Emperor's son is enough for the empire. If more of his sons return, it will be overkill for now lol

[@Jdne199311]

Is not that what we need?

[@muttproductions2536]

I feel like getting as many of the brothers back as possible would be beneficial. Guilliman would be able to handle the affairs of keeping the Imperium running, with Lion, Khan, and Russ handling the war effort. Corax would also be a part of it, but instead of being on the frontlines of the Indomitus Crusade like Russ, Khan, and Lion, he would be leading covert operations to weaken the enemy from within. And with each world reclaimed by the Imperium in the Indomitus Crusade, Dorn and Vulkan can rebuild those worlds and fortify them better than they have been for the last 10,000 years. Now if only we had a means to resurrect Primarchs like Sanguinius and Ferris Manus, then we'd really be cooking!

[@darksider2903]

@@muttproductions2536 plus there is also a good clone fulgrim. If all the loyal primarchs return, it will be just too easy for the imperium. Also chaos warmaster abaddon will lose his sh*t lmao It's better that primarchs like Sanguinius don't return because all the other great characters will lose their spot light and the value of his sacrifice will lose its meaning. And because Sanguinius is Op. 🤯

[@thecommentguy9380]

If Lion is the hand that guides the sword, then Russ is the sword

[@isawaryokage]

There is another big question to be explored in these videos. Who amongst the Primarchs returning would think the Emperor a God. Guilliman was essencially resurected through His will, and yet he still has his reservations, but what about the others? To me, after some fists exchanged, because of the Unremebered Empire, and possibily the Last Wall Protocal and a Ultramarine vs Imperial Fists standoff, they would argue and Rogal would just let his inner Black Templar out and start non stop Crusading. Guilliam would be left in the Imperium Sanctus felling like crap.

[@Romuls753]

9:44 the reborn Imperial Fists have defects in their geneseed, a lack of a Susan Membrane and Betchers Gland

[@ignatiuscheese6807]

Imperial Fists are one of GWs most overlooked chapters. Bringing Dorn back would certainly give them the boost that they need.

[@meanestgreen3320]

*Dorn Declares a crusade across the great rift Literally every black templar would be there 1 frame after such a sentence was said.

[@Preaplanes]

Honestly, the man seems like what he inherited from his father is his being anathema to Chaos. If he's just standing in the warp, I'm not sure the warp could actually do anything to him, no slow corruption or whatever from ambiance alone. Daemon might be able to do it, but I doubt the warp itself could.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Dorn has all the personality of the blocks hes so fond of building with.

[@Orpha3us]

What if Dorn is actually the King in Yellow and work with Valdor ? I don't see Valdor alone on this project, Dorn is the Pretorian and he failed, what if is mission does not end with the emperor on the throne and what if he want to save the emperor ?

[@FYAjibber000]

King in Yellow has already been revealed as Valdor

[@inquisitorsneed2]

@@FYAjibber000 not true, I thought so until I reread it a few weeks back, the book just starts with the words Constantin valdor

[@jasonusborne8629]

Russ and Valdor need to duel with the Two Mystical Blades so they may see a more complete picture of the Master of Mankind's master plan to reboot (haha) the Imperium. I think Dorn is dead. Rest in pieces, Primarch.

[@FYAjibber000]

@@inquisitorsneed2 it is true, the end of Penitent states the name of the King in Yellow is Constantin Valdor. "Bequin and her own entourage recovered a book whose entire contents were a single name which was apparently the identity of the King in Yellow. The first words in the book were Constantin Valdor." The entire book is a single name, Custodians of Valdor's standing have hundreds, if not thousands, of names for all their various accomplishments. Constantin Valdor is the beginning of his name, the first names granted by the Emperor

[@jimmysmith2249]

Rogal and Corax switched places! Corax laid seige to Lorgar's tower so he could make sure Lorgar never gets away, and Corax can crack it open eventually to get to Lorgar's gooey center. Rogal (knowing ALL the fortifications and hallways by heart) has been creeping around the Palace, staying in the shadows, and guarding the Emperor.

[@TheMakumakumaku]

Jagathai would probably commandeer the fridge too and turn it into a bike

[@reginlief1]

Valrak would have such a violent stroke that he somehow falls off his roof again.

[@squidly162]

I think Dorn would be a broken man. He was more willing to burn down his legion and himself than be saved in the iron cage. I think he would be angry and much less reasonable. Also he would probably connect more with the Black Templar than the fists

[@akantor0811]

Agreed but after being saved and talking with guiliman he does come to his senses I think he was just grieving and wanted revenge or death

[@gestaltblitz8296]

I think the chapter he'd relate with the most of his sons would be tee excoriators as they represent morev of his core values and reflect dorns own self loathing and repentance, if we go on the precident he came back broken, dour and changed he's like the templars less as they represent the exact inverse of his ideals methods and even when he was hurt mentally he only reluctantly acknowledged they were his sons while saying he personally hates the ideals they uphold, that being said he would understandably be a little more liked as he's more inclined to be more aggressive now, but he certainly will still hate the irrationality the templars display and constantly fail to rethink. Just some food for thought but the excoriators are the most true sons of dorn as the really represent the more somber nature of dorn and truly encapsulate his methods mindset and personal beliefs as well as his personal mindset after his push twards his extremeist caricature twards his end in the story.

[@GentlemanBystander]

Sebastus IV and the Iron Cage was about depriving the only intact traitor legion of a salient before the loyalist legions were broken apart into combat-ineffective chapters that wouldn't have been up to the task. The edict of the Second Founding already killed his legion, he was just going to make sure it didn't die with work left undone.

[@armoroftruth3166]

The Black Templar and Helbrecht would be forced to attent to an anger management-pain gloves therpay for the next few centuries

[@SpookLord03]

I would personally love Dorn returning to the Imperium along side a perfect clone of Perturabo with the two being at each other's throats, but needing the other to help escape Obliterator Perturabo. A few untouched Iron Warriors would also be fun to have them help the duo out of the warp and back to Terra. At that point, I have no idea of what would happen.

[@12gagebastis]

with GW's writing its entirely possible

[@nickshaffer80]

“This Imperium requires significant additional fortifications” also if he returns he NEED the TTS mustache

[@launchpad62]

If I were the writers I would have to do a whole series on how the dark eldar captured Dorn and have him imprisoned. Only for Perturabo to find out about it and wage a costly and brutal all out war to rescue him decimating the iron warriors. Perturabo may be looking to ease some of his guilt and he and Dorn could find some sort of forgiveness for each other on the way back to the imperium. What would Guilleman say when not one brother but two return to the emperors light having a new found understanding of each other?

[@jrsrfcemc2756]

I've had it in my head too about the possibility of perturabo being redeemed and doing so through Rogal would make a great story, I get where you are coming from, Perturabo, imo, is one of the best primarchs and I always invisioned him, A- angry, B- resentful, more so B

[@jrsrfcemc2756]

But he is now a deamon primarch?, not many saw that coming so most likely now past redemption

[@launchpad62]

@@jrsrfcemc2756 But is he past redemption though? You could say Corax has also become a warp creature would that make him unable to return? And who knows about what sort of beast Russ has become, the 13th came back pretty changed. Maybe it can be put in the story that all Primarchs are part warp creatures and any lenghty stay in the warp changes them. And maybe it is in Perturabo's favor that he didnt choose to become a daemon prince.

[@chistosquisto9079]

That sounds fucking awesome, but there’s no way GW would let a good and nice thing happen like that

[@adampogatshnik6833]

I think RD will probably be one of the last, if not *the* last of the Loyalist Primarchs to return. Just because there would be a sort of a beautiful symmetry if that were the case. RD waited on Guilliman to come during the Siege of Terra, believing he would return. 10,000 years later Guilliman will wait for Dorn to return and save the Imperium.

[@grantfirthbernard2297]

I hope Dorn returns, I've often thought if he does, he would receive his father's talon. Or maybe a Ferus style arm and he takes 2 legions!

[@Scott_the_Celt]

I could see Dorn doing a couple of things. I think he'd go to Imperium Nihilus, I'd like to see him going with the Black Templars, right after he fortifies Vigilus to his exacting standards. But that is just my opinion.

[@timeccleston2260]

If Dorn comes back it should be in black with vengeance in his heart

[@CloningIsTooGoodForSheep]

As a golden armoured marshall he could do both.

[@yeetcanyon5799]

The imperium needs a master of defense, as much as it needs a master administrator. I think if they were to bring him back there would be great character moments between him a Reboute, particularly I think Reboute would hug him on the spot as he thinks he’s the only Loyal Primarch alive

[@khartog01]

DaDornable returns to Holy Terra, calls his sons back, hugs Roboute and tells him to get back out there and wreck shit.

[@tomdolan9761]

I think Guilliman and Dorn would first move to restore their legions because it's obvious to both of them the numbers required to combat the threats in the current time is much greater than the chapters can possibly field. The Primaris project provides them with the opportunity to build numbers dramatically. I believe Dorn and Guilliman would campaign in tandem each directing parallel offenses. I think the next after Dorn would just about have to be the Lion

[@mrgriff7677]

i think the unremembered empire is gonna come up at the end of the siege of terra, guilliman being outed during the codex astartes debate as a barb to cause discontent but i don't think any of the loyal primarchs will give a toss after calming down, since they all fought together. The ecclesiarchy finding out sanguinius was a second emperor and the high lords also finding out in the modern era though could be the issue

[@jaffaholland4039]

I think he would lead the black templar and head straight to the nearest fallen plant/system and regain it, then use the fists to make it secure. I also think that he would rebuild to full legion strength for both. Each system he freed would be then ruled by the fists. This is different than that of the G man, I think Dorn would also link in with the Wolves and send a search party for Russ, hoping that he had found something to enable the empirer to leave his golden thrown. However I am still if the impression that Russ has been told by the big E to kill him, that by doing so he will release him to be reborn, maybe there is already a body waiting for him on Mars to take over.

[@fritzfurz6442]

you wouldn`t find a note on the fridge from jagathai - you would find two foot deep wheel tracks outside, and hear a distant voice rambling something about going "faster than these knife eared a**holes".

[@crystalalarm3]

Oh I would love for Dorn to come back next he would have so many cutting things to say to Girlyman.

[@tabularasa4841]

If Dorn returned...I'd feel sorry for anybody the Black Templars were crusading against. Imagine facing the BTs...but they now have infinite morale.

[@area609joe2]

So Dorn In the iron cage himself? Interesting theory.

[@jayray917]

What if Dorn is the only one who can open the terminus decree but he has to learn how to read first?

[@WisdomofWarhammer]

Rogal could be with russ if he went through a warp portal and he was wounded due to his hand being cut off and leman found him fighting a group of demons. After the fight Rogal joins leman on a certain task

[@j4nk3n]

Rogal is too busy buzzing in the pain glove to come back!

[@ryanlorenzo5003]

If Dorn and Guilliman don't get into a fist fight like true brothers I'm going traitor.

[@Interrobang212]

Given the current Indomitus plotline, what's the best Primarch to return for the benefit of the imperium? Dorn. The most dramatic for plot tension? Easily, Lion el Johnson. The most interesting for introducing new stuff? Probably Corvus. Especially if Lorgar returns with him and makes a bid for Warmaster.

[@80aj21]

I think outwardly Gilly and dorne will be fine and have a united front, but there is a great political story there - as the highlords might seek to make Dorne the regent, saying that's what the Emperor wanted.

[@The_Note_lt]

would be quite hard to make that when G-man running around with custodies and sword of the emperor which he got after meeting his fathers. Every primarch returning and meeting papa smurf, would notice custodies in the room and emps sword on big blues side, and this would best explanation he is doing their fathers will

[@80aj21]

@@The_Note_lt have you read the new 'Wolftimes' book? there are large sections following Custodes who are talking about how/when they should kill the G-man, as they are worried they wouldnt be able to stop him if he turned traitor. They have these big discussions about the fact they left terra to follow him mainly so they can preemptively attack him if they think hes turning. Its actually a really good read, if you are a space wolves guy.

[@kellerblair2952]

He has returned and is currently sitting on his fathers lap reading about architecture.

[@codybates2419]

If Dorn comes back I would love to see him go on the offense at the head of a Legion strength of Black Templars.

[@PhilBarratt]

Chainswords at dawn. Best pun ever. 👌

[@ARIES5342]

Dorn is helping Eldrad to repair the Black Library Craft world in the warp, and can't be allowed to leave, it would give away the Craft worlds location. Adam

[@vincentowen2519]

It is precisely because of Dorn’s compatibility with Guilliman’s command style that it is unlikely that we will see Dorn’s return any time soon.

[@Joeking017]

Fun fact: both Dorn and Russ got exactly equal time on their videos

[@arionofotherworld]

I'd like Rogal Dorn to return after travelling the Imperium for centuries, having carefully been quietly consolidating it where it has been required and helping ensuring it's survival for 10'000 years. I'd also like the 10'000 years older Rogal to have words with his now younger brother Guilliman about having more faith in humanity and look beyond the grim surface of the Imperium.

[@GentlemanBystander]

That would be more in his overarching character; conquer and consolidate.

[@wesleyboggs5835]

Never loved the fists as much as my templars . But I love dorns potential with gulliman. And dorn being the ultimate templar

[@willclark7197]

I don't think the two of them would come to blows straight away but I do think the two of them will come to blows and have a massive fight I also think that the whether they'll probably bring him back will probably be a major threat to Tara or the imperium of man in general and he will be the saving grace moment

[@Jazzious88]

So, I question that, to my knowledge, hasn't been asked in this regard. Since Dorn is missing a hand, what do you think it has been or will be replace with? So many possibilities I'd you think about it

[@miguelperez9906]

He’d go to live at baal for a while it’s the only place that seems to be increasing there defenses and building fortifications he’d make his sons feel so jealous though but he’d just continue to fortify

[@PeteofHartainia]

The most narratively interesting would be if Dorn only finds out about Imperium Secundus after he's crossed the great rift and can't do much about it. Would we then actually have 2 totally different Imperium (Imperii?)

[@TB-ps6wc]

Wasn't dawn made the warmaster after horus... so why was big blue so dominant

[@eichler721]

Dorn or Lion are the ones that can do the most good for the Imperium and build and protect the Empire back to what it was designed to be. They will not get fully back to it but they can come close.

[@davidthomas2870]

If dorn does return, then I bet he is going to link up with the Black Templars, tell Guilliman and the high lords that they can shove the codex into the eye of terror and go on massive crusade of his own, leaving a trail of fortress worlds as a he goes. I also bet that Perturabo is trying either reverse his apotheosis, or if Dorn IS his prisoner, perhaps to grant an apotheosis to Dorn due to him being in bad shape from 10000 years of torture, with Perturabo being extremely petty and thinking that being a demon prince sucks but makes you immortal so he could torture Dorn forever. Would be interesting to see giant imperial saint Dorn as some sort of enormous walking castle man, towering over tanks and walls. However dorn returns, I cant really see him being static when he gets back, rather I figure he'd be on an absolute warpath.

[@AdjudicatorBrbal]

I was always drawn to Dorn because he reminded me of me the way he is and think. I am a Taurus astrologically and his stubbornness and unbending focus always was in me. Specially when he fought the twin. He came to fight not talk. Thats the Taurus way. Everything is confronted head on. Lol

[@d3AdLyf3]

Dorn would greatly benefit having blueberry around to bounce thoughts off of. It's tough for primarchs they always feel alone even amongst their genetic sons, their brother primarchs are their only equals.

[@murakyo79]

Imagine if the dude came back as a full black templar, that would be hilarious