WHAT IF LEMAN RUSS RETURNED NEXT? WHAT WOULD HE DO?

[@caseycampbell46]

I’m pretty sure that what Russ is really looking for in the warp is actually Isha. We know that Nurgle pretty much kidnapped her at the birth of slannesh to “save” her, and she is now imprisoned by nurgle and forced to consume his latest plagues to see how quickly she recovers, basically his way of testing a plagues potency. Isha is the goddess of harvest, fertility, life, healing and growth. In Norse mythology there is a similar goddess with a similar name , Idun, who grows the apples of immortality, which technically stem from Yggdrasil, the tree of life, which the gods must eat to keep their youth and vigor. With Russ being based upon Norse culture, it is likely he is looking for his own apples of immortality to heal, or at least start the healing process, for the Emperor. The signs point to Isha as the only God with the ability and the motive to give Russ such a gift.

[@HammarPwnsYourFace]

Spot on, brother. Well said

[@jasonusborne8629]

Who or what is going to power the Astronomicon? Without constant sacrificing himself and his psychic army in the Silent City, how can the Imperium navigate the warp? No, what is needed is for time to go back to the instant Magnus the Red broke the seals on the Emperor's webway. If the Emperor had completed it before Magnus, there would be no need for the Astronomicon. As it stands, the Imperium needs the Eldar's web to circumvent need for warp travel. I think Russ's fate is mixed with Valdor's. Have not followed story from "Two Metaphysical Blades" narrative to current "King in Yellow" rumors.

[@Aristaios]

@@jasonusborne8629 how do you think they managed during the great crusade?

[@GlamdringUK]

@@Aristaios I was literally just thinking that...my guess is Navigators could do it pre Hersey due to the placidity of the Warp? Also...hasn't Vulkan built a F&%#ing massive bomb into the bottom of the throne incase the emperor is taken off it to stop the demons breaking in through the webway portal on Terra?

[@muhammadujaama631]

@@GlamdringUK emps was powerful enough to keep the Astronomicon going even while crusading. His absolutely ridiculous levels of power is no joke.

[@sorufa888]

Russ would be so furious about the imperium currently, and he wouldn’t hold his tongue like Guilleman did. But I think he’d be proud of many of the chapters and lead a new hunt to protect the imperium nihilus

[@vorpalinferno9711]

Any loyalist primarch would be furious with the imperium. Because what the imperium currently is has exactly been the crap they drove away during the crusade.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

Russ is literally to blame for the imperiums state. All he needed to do is drag magnus home and kill horus. That all. He had the chance to do both and fucked it up both times

[@psychedashell]

Something tells me if he’d dragged the filthy sorcerer back to Terra he wouldn’t have gotten the chance to kill Horus. His chance at Horus only came about because he fell into Horus’ trap and went to war with Prospero - No war means he dumps Magnus on Terra and sods off before news of Horus’ betrayal reaches Terra.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

@@psychedashell but in return the most powerful primarch is at home and could easily solo most of the enemy forces Malcador won't have to sacrifice himself Big e puts magnus on the throne when need be and if Big e still falls he can actually come back this time and continue to lead the imperium since magnus is on the golden throne instead of him

[@psychedashell]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 The most powerful primarch who got broken over Russ' knee. More likely Magnus gets curbstomped alongside Sanguinius and his busted ass gets put on the Iron Throne because it's the most useful thing he has left to offer.

[@TKUltra971]

Well since the 'cleansing' of Fenris has been retconned (thank god). He would: 1. Reform his legion. 2. Punch each of his 'new sons' in the face. 3. Offer a great feast to his new sons. Have his old sons as his table personally. 4. Curse out Bjorn and give him a hug. 5. Fly off into space doing Space Wolf shit.

[@lairoftheobsidianwolf5784]

basicly business as useual

[@haleonnovarider8182]

I actually love the idea of Russ returning prior to the Lion because it opens up an avenue for great campaign story lines with an awesome character in so many different ways. With regards to the Unremembered Empire, I don't think Russ would care. He Knows that Guilliman is and always has been Loyal, and he would expect nothing less of the only other Empire Building brother outside of Horus. Also, I think from Guilliman's side, having Russ back would be substantially different from the last time they saw each other. Guilliman has had his eyes opened the the very real nature of the Emperor and they are areas that Russ has a unique understanding of as far back as the heresy from his position within the Primarch framework. Only Dorn had more intimate knowledge of the internal workings of the Empire than Russ and only Valdor and Malcador can claim more than that. So it actually might bring them even closer than they had been in the past, and Guilliman has shown a significant appreciation for the Wolves in general. If Russ were to return, and reforge his Legion, it would also act as a meaning check against the shenanigans of the Inquistion and Ecclesiarchy combined. Knowing that there is a unified force of warp resistant fanatical Astartes that are designed for Astartes vs Astartes battle on a level nearing the Custodes, and it would effectively minimize the impact of the Minitours..... Many awesome aspects to consider if Russ returned for sure.

[@Uzzgub]

Intersting take at the end, i know Russ WOULD have cleaned house with the Highlords etc. where Girlyman told them off and sidelind them.

[@TheAchmed13]

*Grumbles in Well Fortified Position*

[@cuban-being3087]

Russ would hear about the months of shame from Bjorn or Logan, then he would do what he was made to do.

[@Scythe592]

@@cuban-being3087 Amen to that, Russ would not put up with the Inquisitions shit

[@kelman727]

A gang of headstrong wolf men starting a war with the Ecclesiarchy. Bad idea.

[@MrGlobbits]

Russ: HACK ... SLASH.... ROAAR!!! "AT LAST!! The Tree of Life!!!" Also Russ: "Hang on.....some bugger's burnt down this garden!?!?!" Emps: "Ooops"

[@HTWW]

Russ: Oh, for the love of... You, I guess?.. POPS! I WOLFIN' SWEAR, IF YOU THWART ANOTHER OF MY SAVING_YOU PLANS...

[@rebel1717]

Guilliman talks to Leman, informing him of the Imperium’s 10,000 year history, and what Guilliman has had to manage since his awakening. Guilliman: aaaaaand that’s the kind of empire I’ve been stuck with for a century. Leman: …I’m done. Guilliman: Huh? Leman: This Imperium, this galaxy, I’m done. Gone forever. I’m taking my sons, and making a new home in the Warp. Let these zealous maggots rot in the mess they made from Father’s dream. Guilliman: …I wouldn’t blame you. Leman: What the? No stopping me? No trying to convince me to stay? That’s not the boring Blueberry I know. Guilliman: I said something similar when I woke up. I told Father that we were better off burning in the fires of Horus’s ambition, than surviving long enough to see this. The current state of the Imperium isn’t the worst part for me however. It’s what I can’t repair that burdens my core. The Inquisition has taken root into so many corners of the Imperium. I desperately want to tear it down, and reinstate our father’s Truth. However, it was xenos that brought me back. And if I destroy the Inquisition, the rest of the Imperium will label me a heretic, and turn against me and my sons. Leman: Fenris’s teeth, Guilliman! Why in the wolf do you try to carry this cesspit?! Guilliman: Because I’m all it has. The people worth saving, any chance of my father’s dream returning, it all rests with me, and I cannot simply give up. I never had a chance against Mortarion, but if I did not face him, Ultramar would’ve fallen to Nurgle’s clutches. Leman: Well fuck it, if I’m gonna be a part of this shite show, I need some Fenrisian Ale in me. Guilliman: Terra, I could go for some as well. Leman: This drink ain’t for pansy livers, brother. Not even father beat me when he challenged me to a drinking contest. Guilliman: After the rivers of shit I’ve been navigating, I deserve some good poison. Leman: Finally, the boring blueberry takes some lessons on having a good time!

[@marcus4046]

this...is good.

[@rebel1717]

@@marcus4046 thank ya ma good man

[@Watcher-in-the-Dark]

I like this a lot! Awesome stuff.

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

Friendly reminder that russ is straight up to blame for the state of the imperium, losing the imperium a legion, most of the loyal primarchs, the emperor, malcador, technological advancement etc all because he couldn't follow orders

[@psychedashell]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 That legion wasn't worth remembering, they had problems following orders themselves, openly defying the Big E just isn't clever. Russ didn't do anything to get rid of Loyalist Primarchs, if Russ is guilty of anything it's failing to finish the jobs that would have helped the Imperium. Failed to delete the big, red, crybaby - an epic failure in his own right having failed to lay waste to Fenris on several occasions. Failed to delete Horus, Sanguinius would probably have something to say on that matter but he was not in any position to give orders to a brother, neither was Rogal Dorn. Failed to stop Angron using the Butcher's Nails - Not sure how he came to the conclusion that subtle lessons were going to get through Angron's pain addled head but he failed Angron from begining to end. Failed to be an Executioner - Russ' official head count for eliminating Primarchs is zero.

[@Vohtwomax]

I know we all think that the Lion is the next to return, and may be the best for Guilliman, but I actually think it would be better for the setting to have Russ return first. #1: it would immediately tell the player/fans that this IS the Wolf Time #2: He would be willing to work with G-man and protect the Imperium #3: it would set the stage for a cataclysmic civil conflict when the Lion DOES return. The Lion did NOT want to break apart his Legion #4: we just got a Thousand sons update along with Grey Knights, and Russ would be quite interested to hear about the Months Of Shame. #5: WE NEED MORE PRIMARCHS

[@kelman727]

‘We’...?

[@user-zh8dr1qt1s]

I’m fairly confident angron is next to arrive which means the imperium needs a serious heavy hitting primarch

[@lupus2079]

Vulkan lives! (DUM! DUM!)

[@PeteofHartainia]

of course Russ publicly giving Guilliman a wedgie is good too...

[@Imaybegotthis]

I can't help but imagine Bjorn deep in battle fighting, but slowly losing ground. Just before he is overwhelmed, a howl pierces the battleground and all the Space Wolves pause, only to hear Bjorn scream a howl back over the pause.

[@colevir3115]

The only ones in the Imperium to fear Russ returning is the Inquisition. Pretty sure Russ won't tolerate them after hearing of the siege of Fenris.

[@famforever9278]

This is what will unite k9 and feline. The religious civil war ;-)

[@ranger3576]

I hope he shows up, gets the gist from Bjorn(his literal oldest friend), and beelines to Terra so quickly that Bobby G thinks he’s gone traitor, only for Russ to tell Guilliman “Fuck off. The inquisition’s ass is mine”

[@famforever9278]

@@ranger3576 and then after saving Isha releases the k h a n

[@ranger3576]

@@famforever9278 I actually came up with a scenario where he teams up Kaldor Draigo(who might remind him of Magnus) and the two just go around hacking and burning through Nurgle’s garden till they get to the tree of life, then they survive and escape the warp with the help of Isha.

[@alphanoodle1877]

and the ecclesiarchy

[@dr.rotwang]

While a return of Russ would be great, I would just hope that a Russ & Guilliman moment wouldn't cost us a Bjorn & Guilliman moment. That is the one I want to see more than anything else. Like Bobby G and some indomitus boyz are fighting against some chaos on a planet somewhere and the wolves show up to the party to throw down. I have always had this wonderful vision of demons everywhere and drop pods, thunderhawks, and stormfangs. dropping a pile of wolves off on Guilliman's flank and he sees a lone drop pod falling away by itself closer to him than the wolves. He rallies a bunch of his troops to go rescue the poor squad who's drifted off course into the center of the enemy forces. He makes valiant push as the chaos forces start to fall back and the deamons begin to vanish, driving hard to rescue the beleaguered squad. He reaches the landing point of and comes up over a hill fearing the worst only to see the occupant of the pod, a single dreadnought, has slaughtered the sorcerer coven, killed the chaos lord and his retinue and is currently curb stomping a demon prince. Seeing the ancient dreadnought he recognizes the banner and realizes the pod was never off course. Big Daddy just decided to go and take care of business himself. With the chaos forces in full route the two of them get to have an old generals looking out over the battlefield moment from a hill top or something together. Ending with Bobby G feeling not quite so alone in the galaxy anymore and like he has found the closest thing to one of his brothers in a long time.

[@Templarzealot89]

I would love to read a scene like that in a gw product.

[@JonyTony2018]

Except Bjorn is extremely antagonistic to Guilliman.

[@matthewgibbs6886]

and bjorn saying the 1000 marines is the whole chapter while crossing his lighting claw.

[@dr.rotwang]

@@JonyTony2018 I can't recall a single passage where they have ever met. Why would he be antagonistic? I mean sure maybe that snide space wolves attitude combined with a health dose of get off my lawn, but still its not like Guilliman kicked him in the junk for a laugh in front of the emperor back in the day or something.

[@JonyTony2018]

@@dr.rotwang there was a recent book about Space Wolves, can’t recall the name, but Chapter Master Valrak talks about it at length on his channel. Anyway, Grimnar calls a massive council to decide what to do with Guilliman’s return and the primaris, Bjorn outright tells him not to trust Bobby and that his words are laced with poison, or something like that. Understandable, considering Bjorn was beside Russ when he and Guilliman almost went to war because of Codex Astartes.

[@nogodsnomasters7669]

This would be amazing imagine the conflict between Russ and Guilliman. Their “styles” are completely different except for the total loyalty to the big “E”. Would love it. If any rep from Games Workshop is reading this YES a return of Russ would make me buy more models!!!

[@okamiinukiba]

I personally think that they match perfectly with a backfield clerk keeping supply line running and a front line general taking names like Eisenhower and Patton each playing to strengths.

[@Timasion]

Well, Guilliman viewed Russ as one of his "Dauntless Few." Which means, Guilliman trusted Russ to fight with Guilliman. Also, Guilliman said that Russ knocked him down once and scolded Guilliman for not laughing with him.

[@domc9801]

It’d be like Rogal and Jagahtai during the siege of Terra, they both are polar opposites but they both compliment each other when working together.

[@Scott_the_Celt]

I don't care about Russ meeting Guilliman, I just want him to see Bjorn the Fell-handed again.

[@ericasandberg7286]

Oh, how I have longed for that meeting.

[@CG-yh6js]

dont forget that Russ never felt part of fenris and the wolves. He resented the way his sons saw him. He always felt like he was more than just a warrior and an executioner. I remember reading a line somewhere describing Russ as a genius man in animal clothes and the Lion as an animal in human clothes. Hiding his true self behind the image of a barbarian. So with this said I think he would just accept the primaris without a second thought. His mind quickly calculating the added manpower it gives him. But he would probably be pissed as hell seeing the state of the galaxy. Guilliman will need to convince him that they need to work with it for now. otherwise Russ would storm the palace himself. I do see a lot of frictions coming from him working with the current imperium. But if there

[@SirBlade666]

We tend do tend to forget how intelligent normal Astartes are, let alone their Primarchs. Russ would know opposing Guilliman would be disastrous for humanity and thus he will side with him. He'll probably shout at him, point out the errors he made, possibly punch him, but he will work with him in the end. Both Russ and Jaghatai would be relatively easy for Guilliman to work with, he'd just ask them rather then command them. "It would help a lot if you could stamp out that waaaaagh, can we rely upon you?". I think the Lion's pride would make him te hardest to work with.

[@saltmerchant749]

Leman Russ after speaking to Logan Grimnar: "Those Inquisition bastards did what?!"

[@HappyBirthday0707]

Russ’ impact on how the primaris are viewed would be fascinating - I agree with Rho entirely. Russ values strength and loyalty above all and at the moment there’s no reason to doubt either on behalf of the majority of primaris.

[@mansoorhameed7075]

he would do something decisive and brutal and would call it *Wolf*-something.

[@chuck2703]

Wolfpocalypse 🐺

[@Dadecorban]

ahahaha

[@rakshithanand8262]

He really wouldn't. Russ valued the traditions of Fenris insofar as they made the Rout a better, more fierce fighting force, but he was never one to blindly slave to tradition. Most of that "Wolf" nonsense is a combination of bad translations and cultural degradation of the chapter over the years. Edit: Not to say that Russ was perfect or anything. Russ was arrogant, stubborn, and could come across as somewhat hypocritical, but at the very least he was capable of a modicum of self-reflection, which is more than can be said of many of his brothers....

[@wh0ret0rtvre84]

Wolfsmash

[@mansoorhameed7075]

@@rakshithanand8262 he literally named it "The Wolf Time", The poor translation thing is the best explanation but its honestly a really REALLY stupid one.... but the imperium is hella DUMB so I mean yeah it makes sense......My question is when is it not "The Wolf Time" on Fenris? Seriously when is it not The Wolf Time Leman Russ? When is it not wolf time? Hey Leman what are you doing? "oh nothin, just workin on my wolf legion while i drink mah wolf mead, waitin for The Wolf Time, not to be confused with all the other wolf times on my wolf planet speaking our wolf language that is hard to translate.... cuz yknow, we call literally everything *Wolves* .... what do you know, its wolf-o-clock, not to be confused with the end of the Millenium Wolf Time, this is a more sort of everyday wolf time, like tea-time.... but with wolves.... Anyways, feelin cute, might take my wofliest boys from my wolf legion into the warp so they can turn into literal. actual. *Wolfmen* in 10 000 years.

[@lorenzomacchiavello3701]

Russ will be beyond furious if he knew about how is the imperium now, even mor if he know about the atack of the Inquisition over Fenris in the months of shame and the atack made for the Dark Angels and the Grey Knigth. In other way I would like see the reunion betwen Russ and Bjorn.

[@MrHellsing76]

You think that'll make him mad, wait till he learns about the Months of Shame events.

[@miceatah9359]

@@MrHellsing76 ...

[@aaronperry5948]

I honestly believe the high lords and the inquisition are gonna have a rough go when he returns.

[@miceatah9359]

Grey knights shitting their pants the moment ge steps out the warp

[@-Gilver]

But seriously I think it would be cool to see Leman making his way through the charred remains of Nurgle's Garden ultimately finding Isha herself and freeing her out of her prison

[@famforever9278]

But only hands her over if the eldarin hand over khan to his white scars in the web way. Now imagine this I said it in a statement before what if for rus rescuing her she resurrects the emperor in a mech that the mechanicam made

[@coreymoore182]

@@famforever9278 dreadnought emperor lol

[@famforever9278]

@@coreymoore182 or imperial knight.

[@coreymoore182]

@@famforever9278 I like the way you think

[@____________838]

Imperator Titan…

[@darkdarius]

What do you mean we don`t know anything about Dorn? He`s been in the imperial palace all this time inside a centurion armor to keep the Emporer company, and this is canon as fuck. Change my mind.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

And he is the best treehouse builder in the galaxy.

[@connorcmsmith4302]

I would like to think that the remaining loyalist primarchs would grow closer after the heresy with the emperor gone, malcador gone Sangunius gone there would be a lot of sorrow sadness and anger going around. I bet Guilliman and russ will have some good scenes in the scouring united in a shared guilt at not being there to help the emperor and save Sangunius

[@MADSAHAD]

I love to see the Khan, Russ and Corax all meeting up somewhere in the Warp and all coming out somewhere with the help of Sanginius.

[@carlbrittain1993]

Hypothetical: what if the Tree of Life Russ is supposedly hunting for is actually the Eldar goddess of life, Isha? And, as a result, invades the Garden of Nurgle to recover her and help the Emperor heal.

[@famforever9278]

It is they're not going to say he went in there to get Isha. And then for his Good deed they're going to release khan to his white scars in the web way. Which will cause death guard invasion also.bigger picture what will big E be resurrected as or in ;-)

[@henryviiifake8244]

The moment he captures her, isn't literally every Eldar Craftworld going to be in his ass all the way to Terra (assuming he somehow makes it that far)? 🤔

[@famforever9278]

@@henryviiifake8244 that depends if they have Khan because technically he's not kidnapping her he's rescuing her and maybe that was what the plan was to rescue her to resurrect the emperor in a machine. But it makes sense white scars go in the web way where was the last time Khan was and then on top of that it's a trade-off kind of deal for him rescuing her she makes them release k h a n and for protecting her he will resurrects the emperor because he shows the human side of humanity

[@famforever9278]

@@henryviiifake8244 and it won't be every elder Craft world it'll be every nurgling will be ascended into a frenzy

[@johnathangoldsworthy]

russ brings back Isha from the warp goes and finds his fallen brothers first and brings them back before returning to the emporer and healing him the emporer awakens and prepares for the battle vs chaos and the redemption and slaying of his wayward sons ,knowing that it is just a prelude to the real fight vs the tyranids which invade terra

[@janreuanesier6120]

What if Russ growed older and instead of going all out on Magnus, he goes there and tries to apologize? Could open a complete new Arc.

[@sergiovergaramontemiranda2116]

If he got the "tree of life" and the King in Yellow is with him. V line to Terra while f everything up. Ending in the big E partially resurected (Like Ynned) If not Tell Guilliman to piss off, gather all the wolves to legion size and start crusaiding on Imperium Nhilus. All while dening Dante offers on being his warden

[@buenapilapil5513]

Who's the King in Yellow, Dorn? Or somebody else

[@andrewespinoza2896]

@@buenapilapil5513 the king is yellow refers to Constantine Valdor

[@ranger3576]

Let’s not forget hopefully messing up the Inquisition for the months of shame.

[@buenapilapil5513]

@@ranger3576 he'll probably stop or change his mind once he finds out that Bjorn the Fellhanded put a stop to that

[@alphanoodle1877]

@@buenapilapil5513 Russ is many things, fickle and forgiving is not one of them.

[@thatbrony]

I feel like you missed out on what leman would do to the inquisition. I think he would cause major internal waves as well. I feel he would take it to them for daring for attack his pack when they were in the right for the first war on Armageddon. I think it would be mostly good for the imperium but a sub plot of him going after the inquisitors who fuck with space marines would make a return much more interesting. I know they arnt his kids but i feel he would take immense offence if he hears about the astral claws in the third war for Armageddon as well. Also i just want to see russ meet Bjorn and give him a hug. I think it would be very wholesome for him to give the oldest boy a big fatherly hug while the whole chapter had a massive feast

[@alphanoodle1877]

First, I would enjoy knowing what he was doing in the warp maybe a book or something about him travelling through the warp and learning along the way, with each chapter another major point in his journey. Whether it be finding Isha and the tree of life (which I hope it is that sounds dope as fuck) or just killing traitors in their own realm, since dying in the warp is a final death for daemons. My major hope though is that they don't just make him a fucking werewolf, give me space Odin born of learning of the proper warp, strengthened by wisdom and willpower. Imagine an old, grizzled Russ walks out of the warp in a super tuff battle G'man, or even Dante. Daemons everywhere, then Russ out of the warp (Isha can be there too depending on the reason of Russ being in the warp.) now that is something I would love to see, it would up the stakes as well as bring in another primarch, since the coming of Russ foretells the wolf-time. Meaning GW has an excuse to bring in more chaos, reveal more about the Tyranids, or even reveal Necrons being the secret main villains all along.

[@codybates2419]

Russ shows up, punches the shit out of Guilliman, then pours them both a drink.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

I'd shout with joy. THAT'S what would happen.

[@wchamp170]

Many high lords of terra would die

[@daniels7907]

The Imperium has a long list of problems right at the moment. The first and biggest is simply that it has been badly run for millennia. This is a problem best suited to Guilliman to solve. Russ hasn't got the patience for political intrigues or organizational matters and isn't very interesting in taking up those kinds of a tasks. Since Guilliman has not done anything excessive, like trying to elevate himself to the position of Emperor, there really isn't much for them to disagree about there. Where Russ *can* make a huge contribution is off on crusade. Guilliman is overextended trying to reorganize the Imperium back to some degree of its prior efficiency while also having to fight enemies throughout the galaxy. Russ could take on a lot of the military burden, buying Guilliman breathing room to restructure. Frankly, many factions might realize that they prefer Guilliman's professionalism to Russ's passion and would be happy if the second Primarch to return gathered some Astartes and went off to go fight the Imperium's enemies at a safe distance from Terra or Mccragge.

[@justinokraski3796]

Russ was the executioner afterall…

[@clemo85]

Russ will be with Dorn - Russ saved him through the warp after he lost his hand Corax is hunting Lorgar in the warp The Khan will be in the gladiator pits of Commorragh Vulkan will return when the nine relics have returned - my guess is he's put a ninth of his essence in each one. Which means his perpetuality will activate when they're all together The Lion is still sleeping like a teenager And finally Valdor will be the giant in Trayzn's collection Out of everyone to potentially return, I believe it will be Ferrus Manus as an Imperial daemon Primarch leading the Legion of the Damned. Heard it here first folks!

[@cosminos5609]

Spoilers from Eisenhorn books!! Valdor is building a huge army of loyalist daemons, winged space marines and custodes in a golden city located in the warp. He is also known as the King in Yellow

[@carlstanford7607]

The khan is in a life support box. We know that now from the latest books

[@clemo85]

@@carlstanford7607 I did not know that! Which books is this mentioned in?

[@allanjackson9370]

The one meeting I am waiting for is meeting of the Wolf King and Bjorn, A meeting I think will break Russ's heart when he sees what has become of his champion and the one son he prostrated himself before.

[@vlad3060]

Russ and Guilliman (aka Wolverine and Cyclops) would be interesting to see in the current completely chaotic 40k universe. I have a feeling that he'd be as much as a help as a pain in Roboute's blue berries.

[@Eric-rr3zd]

Wolves cutting their way through hordes of demons. Getting overwhelmed by sheer numbers. Suddenly the air temperature all around them drops dramatically as an ice cold wind blows across the battlefield. Snow begins to softly fall on the ground. The howl that comes on the wind pierces their very souls, a howl that has not been heard since the days of the heresy. It was in this moment that the demons understood just how very fucked they were.

[@Dwarficus]

personally, I think the reason GW hasn't released Leman Russ is because he's not an ultrasmuff. Although I will say, before Forgeworld started the primarch range, Leman Russ was the only primarch to have an offical GW model. He was released back in Rogue Trader, and he is TINY.

[@frankacciarito6099]

Rho first off another great video, love me some Russ!! I agree with everything you say, especially Russ taking control of all his Sons and attacking Magnus in a rematch of the battle Prospero. He would then strike out as Bobby G’s executioner going after all his other fallen brothers. Hopefully he comes back as Oldman Russ/Odin hybrid who would actually see the point of using the Spear of Russ for once. There are a few points you missed though, 1. Russ would have some choice words for the Inquisition after the months of shame. 2. I hope Bjorn slugs him when they come face to face for leaving him behind the. They both laugh and get over it. 3. Russ has had hints at a return and what he’s been up too besides to quest for the tree of life, Magnus remarked to a statue of Russ that he knew exactly where he was but didn’t want talk about that and if Russ is in Nurgles garden it makes sense for Magnus to not wanting to invoke another chaos gods name that wasn’t his own gods. 4. The most important clue was that Logan Grimnar himself saw Russ fighting The Thousand Sons on Fenris during the siege of Fenris event and knew it was his father come to aid his sons in their hour of greatest need even if just for that battle. So honestly Russ isn’t that far off from making his return for real.

[@thesquirrelherder]

I would love to read about Russ meeting up with his sons again, especially him having a short presumably happy conversation with ragnar jabbing the crimson fuckup in the eye with that golden toothpick of his.

[@zetaking2909]

he will show up at the fang fully unanouced in the middle of the feast of the great wolf, and wonder where his placement is, while the felhanded is somehow crying as a dreadnaught, and possibly asking why he wasnt worthy to go with him

[@Abb0able]

"Well Bjorn it was very simple: No bitches allowed, now get me a drink you metal wench!"

[@zetaking2909]

@@Abb0able for some reason i could then see bjorn smashing the keg across is head, and russ saying, thats why i left you behind because i knew you would take noones shit, including mine, now tell me what you been up to you BEAR, hear you made gave some grey knights some rust stained armor

[@Abb0able]

@@zetaking2909 The coolest thing for me would be him and maybe some of his peers finally sealing the warpgate on Terra from the other side

[@cimerian85]

Would be interesting to see a group of Grey Knights helping Russ to get out of the Warp.

[@user-zh8dr1qt1s]

He’d probably kill them lol

[@AnimeRonin]

well, the first thing that comes to mind about what the Wolf King would do... is demand a good ale; he's parched. After that he'd then have to deal with the shouts of denial of who he is from the Wolves, even though they know who he is, and he'd have to prove himself (probably with Bjorn watching on and heckling him for good measure). Once THAT is all out of the way (along with trying to not accept the Spear of Russ because apparently he kept losing/forgetting the bloody thing all of the time), he'd tell his forces to muster: it's time for them to go and do some Space Wolf stuff and to remind people just who they are, thus causing a distraction and letting Guilleman get a better handle on things.

[@j4nk3n]

Wow rho your almost at 100k! I think I joined In the first few thousand if I remember rightly! Great work dude 👌

[@leatherjacket9]

I think you may be going off of situations of the past with Russ and not the current state of things. With the Emperor being more psychically active in the warp now than ever before, there is no doubt that if Russ is alive, the Emperor has been in communication with him. So I believe Russ would be made aware of Guilliman and the Primaris. Also remember the warp is a reflection of the material, so Russ would already be aware of the current state of the imperium, the Primaris guided by the psychic consciousness of the Emperor somewhat. Also keep in mind that like Corvax, Russ may have also taken upon himself an ethereal manifestation. As Corvax is a raven for the Emperor... Russ would be a wolf. The Wolf of the Warp. He has also taken his wolf pack with him as well. In this way, like Corvax, Russ may never return... At least not like we once new him. But I see no butting of heads between Guilliman or Russ should Russ return. Russ has witnessed from the other side and from the Emperor himself the decay of the Imperium he would have better understanding of what needs to be done because he isn't in a coma or suspended animation like Guilliman was. I believe the Primarchs that entered into the warp have a better chance of understanding and communication with the Emperor. They would applaud the Primaris project because it is within the Emperor's will and they would already know that before returning from the warp. They would not be so naive in thinking that the Primaris project is tampering with the emperor's work, but it is a ordained blessing of the emperor's work. They would also know Guilliman would not be doing this except for to restore and maintain the Emperor's vision and will. The only Primarchs that may have a problem with Primaris at 1st are those that may not be or have been in communication with the emperor through the warp or those that have no knowledge of what has happened to the state of mankind and the imperium... Like Johnson, Khan, Vulkan, or Dorn.

[@manhunter433]

Gulliman, "Big Brother Russ welcome back, our Father has me leading the Imperium but I need a warrior to lead our forces against our enemies." Russ, "Just point me to them and I'll get it done, but first I'm having a drink with my son Bjorn, care to join us?"

[@madginger3634]

Leman holding Frostmourn is a great pic

[@jameskilts555]

Ghost Manus, the fallen primarch of the Ironhands, should return leading a rebooted range of the Legion of the Damned. Possibly even communing with the Emperor or Gilman. Or even bringing a stop to one of Fulgrim's raids. How would Gilaman react to Ghost Manus?

[@winterborn735]

Imperial Saint Manus.

[@jimmysmith2249]

*Corax whooping Lorgar from pillar to post* Hah! Either that or skulking around Lorgar's tower with a baseball bat saying quietly "Lorgar,come out and play with me." in the creepiest voice possible.

[@project9701]

A Russ/Gulliman reunion would be very fascinating. Russ plays the barbarian, but he is far shrewder than most of his opponents anticipate. Guilliman is civilized...but he wouldn't have any issue with doing terrible, barbaric things if needed. I DO want to see a scene where Russ challenges the Primaris to a drinking contest and wins. By two drinks, and collapsed on top of the pile of the drunk Primaris, but still!

[@alphanoodle1877]

nah, he would win by more. Don't forget he out-drank the emperor

[@project9701]

@@alphanoodle1877 I know, but I'm just thinking about the comedy value. Especially if he out-drinks each Primaris individually. One steps up, gets drunk, and Russ just keeps on going and going and going...

[@JB-xx3dq]

Thanks Rho! Warm and safe here in FL.

[@thetaz31]

I wonder if Russ can feel Corax, almost like Odins ravens. To add I just want to say I don't think the Emporer quite needs Russ out of the warp yet. He's just too much of a problem for chaos in the warp to have him come out.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

Hey Rho, how come it's been so long since you made a video about an excerpt from a 40k book?

[@1973Louis]

Like I discuss with someone else on tweeter, I think if Russ should come back he should come back as a wise warrior. He was Thor now he is more like Odin. Coming in and guiding the "young" Roboute.and the Imperium.

[@Brynngar1983]

Love your Videos man. Stay safe over there from Idaho, USA

[@rebel1717]

I hope you do other primarchs returned scenarios as well! We know darn well what’ll happen when Lion returns next, but the Khan, Dorn, Corax, Vulkan, and if you’re feeling more colorful, if Sanguinius or Ferras Manus returned

[@killak3219]

Also let me just say Russ and the Space Wolves are the most lit chapter. We need them to break up all the monotony and add some more fun to the grim dark 😂

[@brockwilkie6022]

It really should be Russ next! I think you are right that Guilliman would not know for sure what Russ would say/do and would be apprehensive so that would be so fun. In the end Russ would be the real brother Guilliman needs and would have a tense moment but then give Guilliman a big hug to annoy him and at least in public support him. In private he may have a few choice words but they would work together as long as Guilliman lets Russ do it in his own way, which I think the new Guilliman that is more humble would know and act accordingly.

[@MrHellsing76]

If russ returns, there are a LOT of Inquisitors about to shit themselves.

[@dragonnight22]

I’m just here wondering what Russ’s reaction to the months of shame would be

[@uriel005]

I think a lot of this is under the assumption that this will be the Russ of 10k years ago. Like Corax he's the only other primarch to we assume to have disappeared with a purpose unlike Dorn Vulkan or Jaghati. Will the Russ who emerges be the same as the one who left all those years ago. Will he be the same relatively wild barbarian king full of vigor, or will he be akin to Odin as opposed to the Thor he seemed to embody. Wiser, perhaps more broken and somber. I think that a meeting with such a changed brother would be so much more interesting than to simply have Roboute have the Russ of old return. Imagine it if you will the Russ who simply does not act in the manner that Roboute expects or plans for as a consequence of 10000 years in the warp. Will he be some monster akin to the shadowy demonic figure that Corax appears to be? Or will it be something else. I for one would love to see him more of a rune priest upon his return. The very thing he once distrusted Magnus for having been some dormant force unlocked by his time saturated in the immaterium.

[@davidbarko7004]

Another video with the Spirit BGM! Underrated track!

[@BDL3035]

Leman Russ: *returns from the Warp* The Inquisition: “haha im in danger”

[@kerbal666]

It's actually interesting that they started with the boy scout guilliman because when the other loyalists come back some of them might see guilliman as trying to upsurt the emperor and we might have a second heresy on our hands

[@centermassgamer323]

Russ: returns Inquisition: *chuckles* I’m in danger

[@HeroAndReporter]

The Lion, Russ, and Guilliman. That trio of differing personalities would be so tense, but they all would understand that there was a reason they came back, so they would…maybe temporarily set aside their differences for the betterment of the Imperium.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

I think Gulliman and Russ would be a good duo - Gulliman gives Russ the tools, Russ wields the axe. I think the returned Russ would be very different though - he is likely to come back as more of an Odinic Sage figure with his warp powers unleashed, quite different from the hot head of the Crusade. Russ may take umbridge with Gulliman trafficking with Daemons for instance...

[@lsynno]

With the indomitus crusade halted I think Russ would Re-launch the crusade and reroute it to Magnus. Guilliman playing defence and Russ on offence would be a devestating combo.

[@jackfrost2978]

There are only 3 good choices for returning primarchs. The Lion, The Wolf, Dorn. All the others just don't have the direct impact that the imperium really needs right now. Dorn would likely be the worst of these. If he tried to focus on reinforcing terra. He would likely do great if he goes aggressive, but does not have the centuries of combat experience that the other 2 have. The Lion would likely be the best choice, but given the nature of the video. The advantages of having Russ as the next primarch to show up. Russ is the most likely of the 3 to have a good working relationship with each other. Even if Russ goes off doing his own things from time to time. Guilliman would understand it's in Russ nature. Given the Lions ego. It would be interesting for him to show up if after Russ and Guilliman had been holding things together for a while, without anyone else. If it were to be Russ next. I would like to see his character improve. For him to think more. To be less likely, to go off recklessly. I want to see him more trusting of his loyalist brothers, and less fond of the traitors. His character has been written in 2 opposing directions. More often then not. He is portrayed. As head strong and reckless. The best writing about Russ. Portray him as a barbarian in appearance, and a loyal thoughtful leader. Full of insight and wisdom, not often shown. I remember reading a speech he gave to his marines. Talking about how noble the average guardsman was, because they didn't have genetic enhancement, power armor, hard hitting bolt weapons. He said not to look down on them for they had none of these advantages, yet still they fought. Having Russ come next. Gives a great opportunity for his character to develop in all the great ways it could be developed. Were he does not need to be in the shadow of other primarchs, during the story development.

[@snakething87]

>Russ returns to Terra >Drinks all booze on the planet >Barks at the high lords >Refuses to elaborate further >Yeets back into the eye of terror

[@Yggi11]

"I need a wolfing drink!"

[@famforever9278]

Hmmm tree of life sounds like undercover phrase for eldarin godess traped by nurgle. White scares went to webway so when Russ retrieves her he makes a deal for Khan. For Russ's humble deed granted the whatever fraction of a resurrection gw wants of big E. Big E in a mech 🤯

[@IronPriestAjax]

I feel like for a proper return of Russ we'd also need a return if valdor due to how closely they're linked

[@CountDVB]

Honestly, I imagine Roboute would share a rare moment of vulnerability to Leman Russ, which would shock the Wolf King a fair bit and realize just how stressed his poor brother is

[@VictorianTimeTraveler]

I like the idea of Ferrus Manus coming back as a Cybernetic Revenant. I challenge anyone to come up with an idea cooler than that. A Frankenstein, Terminator, Demigod

[@zerokarma9218]

Would love to see Russ and the Lion both return at the same time.

[@sharkwithpewpew]

Wouldn't he learn of the Emperors death once he wakes up? I think he'd go rampage on the nearest chaos threat in search for answers, and then go grumble on Fenris for a while and then he'd meet up with Guilliman, grumble some more until agreeing to some form of tactic-template and then buggering off again. It would definitely turn into some great books. I would however really enjoy a setting where Russ and the Lion are both back and helping Guilliman. Would be a really nice trio - Judge, Jury and Executioner

[@alphanoodle1877]

Don't forget personally butchering inquisitors that make him angry

[@Liethen]

What if the next primarch to return was Fulgrim, both of them?

[@headp3]

All I can hope for is they tie in Ragnar Blackmane throwing Russ' spear into the warp and it allows Russ to find the spear and his way back. How epic would that meeting be Russ and Ragnar and possibly the 13th since Ragnar has fought with the wulfen in his storyline, and overcome the wulfen rage himself.

[@tylerdunlap894]

I honestly see the most important primarchs for the Imperium is Guilliman, Dorn and Russ/The Lion. Guilliman to un-ass the buerocracy, The Lion/ Russ to prosecute the wars to keep the Imperium intact, and then Dorn to bring the Fists along behind to turn them into impenetrable bastions as they go. Of course backing up the Wolves as they go. I say Wolves primarily because, as much as the Lion would work, the Wolves not giving a damn about the codex, this would allow them to concentrate power much more quickly. Obviously, the next would need to be someone to lead the Imperium as Lord Commander. I don't think Russ would want that as much as we believe. I think he would feel the most purpose as Supreme Commander of the Imperial Military, while leading a reformed Space Wolves legion. Obviously Guilliman doesn't really want that job, since when Imperium Secondus was a thing, he said "nah, not my thing". The question is who, I honestly say Vulkan would be the best fit. A strong personality, while also being truly caring about Humanity. His work would be to improve the situation of humanity. This in turn weakens the Dark Gods of the warp. Because, as the suffering of mankind abates, the power that seeps into the immaterium from that emotional turmoil decreases. That trifecta to me would be the most important. Vulkan coming along as well would be outstanding, especially since he must be somewhe. This being obvious being a perpetual. Just my two pence.

[@qevansable]

Russ, The Lion, and Guilliman is all the empire need to complete the emperor's dream for the empire. Wouldn't minded seeing Vulkan too.

[@khazngray]

A bit off topic but in regard to legions needing to be disbanded, without a primarch around it was definitely the best idea. Think of how many chapters turned to chaos and their division with other chapters being the only reason it didn't spread further. Imagine Huron having been in charge of the Ultramarines without Guilliman around.

[@tank7737]

I know I'm a couple months late to the party here on this video, but I want LeMans return to be something like this.... a flash and a tear in reality opens. Mists swirl forth and through it steps a figure. Rough bedraggled yet resplendent. His wild mane estooned with trinkets and trophies. Blinking in the sudden light of his new location he looks upon Papa Smurf and the array of weapons leveled against him, and with a wry smile says, "Hello little brother."

[@mouseketeery]

If the 'Tree of Life' thing is Ishtar, as speculated, and Russ rescues her, then that could tie in with Guilliman's doings with the Ynnari.

[@2saisai]

We assume he stays the same. But if he lived for 10k years. Maybe Russ would be the one lounging. Maybe he would grow up and be more king than wolf instead of running into things and make everything worse.

[@winterborn735]

That presupposes that Russ experienced time the same way as the rest of the universe. It could have been 100,000 years or 50.

[@2saisai]

@@winterborn735 I doubt he would have experienced all the years know how the time in the worp don't flow normal. But I would think it would be interesting to see the passage of time on a primearch who has first hand experience in the worp. Maybe he would grow to resemble Oiden and act like an All father instead of the brash wolf king. It's better than him stepping into the worp and only a day passes for him and 10k years in real space.

[@winterborn735]

@@2saisai IDK. I think lost in a warp storm and just out of play makes more sense than just gone and not heard from for 10000 years. It's Russ, wherever he goes and whatever he does it should be news one way or another.

[@bobbyrabii2402]

Lets face it, if Russ returns first, after his stop @ Fenris, next stop is the Rock, startles the DAs, walk right into the Lions room and wake his ass up. "Brother, everything has gone to shit, you and I need to take care of business."

[@hornschuchwork3873]

If Russ did come back and start against the Thousand Sons it might be a repeat of the old days. Taking with him the Sisters of Silence at least and maybe a bit more. It would be a burning of prospero part 2 or 2.0 depending on how you saw it. But this time with both parties knowing the old dance steps and trying to figure out new ones to change what happened.

[@christianvoorhees69]

I just started building my own army & went with Space Wolves. Bjorn deserves seeing Leman again

[@DefenderofFaith97]

Both Lion and Russ need to comeback at the same time, the animosity between them and Guilliman's current attitude make a civil war, a War of Three Primarchs. my head canon is that Russ has a shard of Magnus in his head and it talks to him, being his only companion during the 10,000 years. The Shard of Brotherhood. It could serve as part of a greater redemption arc for Magnus or at least half of him.

[@yeoldchief7711]

That animosity ended when they got to Terra, Russ was very upset that the big cat went missing

[@SIMSURGE]

For the Wolftime !!!🙋🏼‍♂️

[@namewastaken360]

I struggle to see Russ having serious conflict with Guilliman. Russ would be content to let Guilliman be Lord Commander of the Imperium so long as he continues to allow Fenris and the Space Wolves to be fairly autonomous, and Guilliman has no love of the Ecclesiarchy. So I see Russ and Guilliman being on the secular/radical side of any Imperium civil/cold war. The Lion on the other hand....

[@SomethingRedundant]

One thing is for sure, he'd have some stern words for the gray knights

[@IceWolf316]

Did you ever concider making this a podcast on deezer or so?

[@MutsuKazuma]

russ' whole theme was viking, so him looking for the tree of life is just a nod to yggrasil not nurgles garden, it's more likely he would find the webway that connects everything

[@SingletonD]

Its the 42nd millennium: the galaxy is on fire, Chaos is invading and the Tyranids are eating everything. 1st Space Wolf: Brother is it the wolf time yet? 2nd Space Wolf: No yet Brother. 1st Space Wolf: We have been WAITING FOR 10K YEARS. 2nd Space Wolf: It will happen when the writers decide that we need even more drama! 1st Space Wolf. Blue Balled for another 10K years.

[@fostegg1]

What if russ gained some warp shannanigans like corax, say for example able to shift between normal and primarch sized wulfen forms

[@bennettthomas4446]

I can see the reunion as almost a scene from supernatural. Leman calling gulliman a boring sanctimonious shit, gulliman calling russ an uncultured barbarian. A few beats then they both grin and hug. (Que manly teats backslaps and comments about missing the other despite all the crap then a few gallons of fenrisian ale) His actual return to the material universe would involve lightning and saving bjorns life (with some more insults going both ways)

[@marrier9999]

Considering a leak list contained Magnus, Guilliman, Mortarion, Angron, and Russ is 3 for 3 right now with rumors Angron is next to drop, I'd say Russ being next is highly likely.

[@chrisfrombeyond4240]

Pretty sure Russ would step up to Guilliman initially but I think he'd ultimately obey the Emperors direction no matter what. Though you can be sure he'll be keeping an eye on Guilliman. But perhaps more likely, he'll immediately set himself against Magnus in force to finish what was started 10,000 years ago.

[@madmerlinsart]

Would agree with this 100% Also in the UK sat painting while storm Barra batters about the outside world.

[@davidthomas2870]

I recon Russ and Guilliman would get along pretty well, but I think Guilliman would probably privately confess his concerns and possibly even his past sins against the emporer. Just venting to his brother, finally having someone he can relate to and talk to as an equal. And while I dont believe that Russ or Guilliman would pull their legions back together, at first theyd probably increase the number of their sons and utilize them as a pseudo legion, perhaps with Guilliman eventually revising the codex to increase the allowable size of chapters. Whoever comes back, I can definitely see Guilliman using their return to start taking things down the route of Transhumans such as astartes steadily taking more and more control of the imperium, whether he means it to be that way or not. He simply is so far above normal human capabilities, it probably makes perfect sense in his head as the best way to help humanity. But perhaps, much like his father, his compassion may be more dangerous to humanity than if he hated us.

[@alexreibin1637]

It is a known that guiliman has let go of his rule about chapter size. He recognized that this is despret times. People forget that guilimans actions to resist legions were fueled by fear. There's logic in it yes but during a crises it was not the best of plans. I think that's the point, all the primarch wheir uncharacteristic after the death of the emperor. Ie Dorn of all people going on reckless crusade and almost getting his hiself killed. Or on a lesser side we have russ not wanting to fight his brothers.

[@davidthomas2870]

@@alexreibin1637 you make a good point that it was ruled by fear. It was also a step meant for peacetime (or relative peace) that was expected to take place post heresy, turning the astartes from a battering ram used to batter down any foe into submission into a sort of super first responder force. They're very good at both, but completely disbanding the legions left the role of battering ram on the also nerfed imperial guard. The guard have made an admirable effort at it, but there is a reason that during the crusade the imperial army was primarily a garrison force and auxiliary to the astartes. The imperium has also never really known a long period of peace; if they arent under attack, they're attacking someone else. Thus, setting all (or as many as he could get to comply) astartes to a peacetime stance perinially puts the imperium on the back foot. There is a definite place for smaller chapters, but it seems that the best role for smaller formations like that to be making sure the backline is held so legions do not need to pivot and return to put down smaller problems that pop up all the time that are to much for the guard, as they often had to durring the great crusade which cost valuable time they could ill afford to spare. I recon that Guilliman may institute a system of a few larger astartes formations such as his own ultra marines, the other first founding chapters, and perhaps the black templars to make them into something more like a legion (but under another name and nominally granting oversight to the high lords of some sort, perhaps requiring a writ of the high lords to deploy in legion strength or smthn-but including himself as a high lord and making the custodes a permanent seat would mean he almost always would have them in his pocket for such a deployment), and then deploying them as expeditionary forces with the idea in mind of putting immense pressure on the enemies of humanity so the interior of the empire is bought room to breathe, rebuild and redevelop. Let legions secure the boarder and expand them, chapters secure the homelands and newly conquered worlds, and normal humans live under less constant fear of immenent annihilation.

[@connorcmsmith4302]

Think about like this russ said he would return during the wolf time when there is no hope left which means that the urgent time still has hope and could get a lot worse