TIES OF THE RAVEN GUARD! BONDS OF SUCCESSORS & THE FIRST FOUNDING

[@TheTrueMalice]

I actually love the Raptors alot. A chapter that believes ranged hit and run is the best strategy. In a universe where running at a tank with your melee weapon held high is the ultimate show of honor. Just having a chapter that looks at that and shakes their head is refreshing.

[@Wraithnine]

I've actually made a mcfarlane and 2 joytoy Raptors.

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

Imperium: Your weapons, your armor, your equipment is all insanely rare and difficult to create. You geneseed and mission is invaluable and you are charged to protect all. Raptors: We will protect it and the Imperium as our solemn duty. Every Other Chapter: ALL I HEARD WAS "CHARGE" WHY HAVEN'T YOU GIVEN MY THUNDERHAWK A BAYONET YET!?

[@Mahbu]

In Warhammer 40k, I find the exceptions more interesting than the rules. I was more than annoyed when lore seemed to be steering chapters like the Black Templars to be more in line with the codex (one of their big shticks was being way larger than any other chapter and it seemed like games workshop was reversing that. . fortunately they stopped) or when they destroy or ravage actually interesting chapters that are different from chapters that are basically Ultramarines but different colors.

[@alastor8091]

​@@attemptedunkindness3632 blades on aircraft would probably be a good idea for flying in Tyrannid infested skies.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

The Raptors are what you would imagine a Space Marine chapter would be if they were to follow actual military tactics and doctrines that we know work. Because they work in real life. Sadly 99% of GW's writers and designers seem utterly clueless as to actual things military.

[@mediocore808]

I'm Corvus Corax and the Ravenguard are my favourite chapter on the Citadel.

[@justyagre6296]

Calibrations.

[@mediocore808]

@@justyagre6296 Garrus would put the whole Mechanicum to shame with his lengthy calibrations.

[@AzrealMaximus]

But yet your name says otherwise...et tu Alpharius?

[@LucasBarboza08]

This is one of the reasons I really want to see both Corax and Vulkan back in the setting. Not only they are the primarchs that are more in tune with their humanity, they also are the primarchs that care about their sons the most. Where the Lion felt regret he wasn’t there to guide his sons during his absence, Corax and Vulcan would be proud of their sons and their work, guardians and liberators of man.

[@ah9580]

I think corax and vulkan could help the Big e redeem mortarion and magnus but they end up killing the lion because he wont budge for being an autist

[@kleanthisxanthopoulos4697]

Also Corax is dope now! Probably the only Primarch that has embraced fully his warp nature.

[@satinthrone]

Power Rangers Primarch Pack please! (Lion, Warhawk, Wolf, Raven, Salamander: GO!)

[@SpawnofChaos2010]

They're not human though.

[@LucasBarboza08]

@@SpawnofChaos2010 Yes, they are! Doesn’t matter how much gene splice acrobatics you infuse in their DNA they are still are very much human, both in their DNA template and emotions. I also don’t need to tell anyone how these “demigods” emotional balance, or lack there of, plunged the galaxy in a war that still affects the galaxy 10.000 years later.

[@stephensummers643]

So far I’m only a lore fan, I haven’t graduated to painting minis levels yet, but I find myself liking the Ravenguard more than other legions

[@Christian-el2bz]

I've just started Raven Guard, and are making some Death Spectres on the side. It's a good way to disconnect and recharge while listening to music or audiobooks (for example lore books) :D

[@blakecouch4621]

@@Christian-el2bz also nykona is just such a good story i keep going back to read it cause its just so good

[@johnpo2]

Raven guard and other successors: "why cant you be normal??!!" Space sharks: "da dum....da dum"

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

They know why, they're brutal behavior is bleed over from the Terran raven guard and their strategies Corax didn't approve of.

[@blakecouch4621]

@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 very true but it was because of their culture they developed with their pow's, the space sharks follow the raven guard more closely but are melee based. Could say that how they developed that they have taken to the raven guards culture more. Mainly the eldar who was broke by the space sharks.

[@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736]

@blakecouch4621 I firmly believe they're the Terran raven guard that corax sent away because he just couldn't stand their tactics. They still respect their gene father to a capacity and I don't think it really converts to resentment, shame maybe. It explains SO MUCH

[@blakecouch4621]

@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 it clicks a lot now damn

[@jaegerbomb269]

I'd love to see the Ravens getting more attention soon. Maybe Corax himself returning. I can dream 😅

[@BigRedDragonFan]

The raven guard, the relatively reasonable marines.

[@JZ0UK]

Except the Terran ones

[@patrickmcginty3234]

Well, they are the guys tend to be like the Salamanders in their interactions with other people, mortal and space marine alike. Sadly, their closed-off demeanor tends to put people off. They're kind of like introverts who want to interact with others but can't work up the courage to do so and it makes them look like they are brooding loners.

[@alexstan414]

@@patrickmcginty3234 *Stares in beaky helmet* ... Victorus aut Mortis...

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

@@alexstan414 Victorus aut Mortis

[@Paerigos]

Victorus aut Mortis... and well... when you have 3000 brothers left after The Horus heresy... which literaly means 1 founding chapter and 2 sucessors... I think you really need to consider how to keep your family alive and well. Besides Corax always cared for his own breed. Not so much for those who have been imposed on him by him without much choice. Choice... thats what matters to Ravenguard.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

This particular Ravenguard marine; Siefer Zeed, is an atypical one. Loud, brash, forward and a joker. He is the "attitude-one" in his kill-team. But they keep him, because he is a melee-monster. He fights with lightning claws and is the best melee killer in Steve Parkers entire Deathwatch series. Kayvaan Shrike sent him to the Deathwatch, so that he might learn some respect and become the Chapter Champion, that his raw skill merits.

[@Paerigos]

Frankly... Kayvaan is attempting to find anyone who would be both demostratebly competent and also want the job of running the chapter. He cant find anyone better. He would much rather want to go back to being a captain.

[@Kristian.B.Kristiansen]

@@Paerigos funnily enough, this novel is so old, Shrike was still a captain in it. He is said to the only Ravenguard rivaling Zeed with blades and his commanding officer.

[@jacklang3314]

@@Paerigos it’d be hilarious if in his search he finds Corax.

[@Paerigos]

@@jacklang3314 well it's a proverbial search... He is not scouring the galaxy for new people... He is just trying to find best man in the chapter...

[@jacklang3314]

@@Paerigos I’m aware, just thought it’d be funny. Though, Corax is probably the only one who could replace Shrike.

[@ryantannar5301]

Dark Angels successors are probably the closest. They're not successors, they're "successors". Azrael doesn't lead a chapter, he leads a legion hiding the fact that they're a legion. I think that makes them the closest by default.

[@paulhille7006]

Hearing about this again reminded me of the shortcoming of my own chapter of the Dark Angels and how happy I am the Lion is now back to whip them into shape. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, read War of Secrets.

[@Lord_Brownie]

The Black Guard are my favorite chapter, though we don’t know much about them they were formed from the remains of Corax’ personal guard the Shadow Wardens. They also have a fondness for BIG guns, which I personally relate to.

[@yikeswazowski9838]

We need more interactions like this! I loved the comraderie of the fists in the war of the beast and the salamanders are embracing their successors too (tho the black vipers aren't happy about that)

[@g.sergiusfidenas6650]

Not surprising for Raven Guard successors to be naturally closer to each other than their Ultramarine counterparts, prior to the Ultima Founding they, Guilliman's sons, were the most represented lineage among new chapters and blood or not if you suddenly are reunited with a cousin you knew of but never meet you will not connect right away, specially if said cousin is just one of tens (or hundreds) and is completely alien, culturally, to you; to a Death Spectre must be so much more special to meet a fellow son of Corax since they are so few of them, I hardly can think of a circumstance in which a Raptor or Reviler would ever get into the sort of bad blood between brother chapters that exists between the Aurora Chapter and the Emperor's Spears or any of them butting heads with their own parent chapter, the respective family circumstances of all these groups are just way too different.

[@Grim-Crusader]

Yes,yes,yes Raptors baby. My favorite chapter and my tabletop army 🙂

[@Paerigos]

Well... There were about only 3000 Ravenguard left after the Heresy... When you dont have much family left you have to keep the one you have.

[@Vampireknight99]

My homebrew chapter Ghost is a second founding Raven guard. The chapter holds the Raven guard and other Raven guard mix in high regard

[@moseslomibao5742]

Id say the Son's of Dorn are probably the closest. Some good examples of this I feel where the Black Templars coming to the Celestial Lion's aid, as well as the "Last Wall Protocol" wherein all of Dorn's chapters are summoned back to the defense of Terra.

[@UncleFester84]

The Raptors are my fav chapter, they are more "super soldier" than "warrior monks".

[@Maximus51022]

I always believed that the space wolves and the raven guard should have had a better relationship because of how irl wolves and ravens react together

[@paulangelopineda2534]

I have watched from this channel that Corvus and leman have a good relationship to the point where Corvus knows how to speak fenrizian and probably learned it from leman

[@Maximus51022]

@@paulangelopineda2534 really? i must have missed that somehow. but speaking of 40k i havent seen anything in the way of the 2 chapters working together.

[@michaelgautreaux3168]

I'm totally trill to hear of this if as confirmation. The Lore w/ the VII legion tribe is GR8 reguarding fraternity but it has never been like the XIX. Many thanx for an excellent narration 👍👍 .............Victorus aut Mortis..........

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

I'll keep on saying it, there are no 1st founding chapters. 1st founding was solely the legions. The chapters came with the 2nd founding and all the socalled 1st founding chapters were created during the 2nd founding just as much as their socalled successors. They were just the lucky ones who got the original legion name.

[@carlospomares3225]

"You think they could add some flavor to the damn stuff" I love little momments like that

[@SoulCrusherEx]

The Raven Guard are one of If Not the Most misunderstood Chapters Out there. Everyone calls them Emo Boys but they arent anything Close to Emos. If you want Something Close to Suicidal Emos Look at the Doom Eagles Chapter

[@AzrealMaximus]

Definitely a "feels" chapter🤷‍♂️

[@jeffreypeters8357]

Dorn's descendants have the First Wall Protocol, so they will always count the successors as one of them.

[@Thabooka]

Its “Last wall protocol”

[@jeffreypeters8357]

@@Thabooka You don't understand a play on words, do you?

[@leenan2345]

Should have heard my gasp of delight when the interaction between Karras and Zeed from the Deathwatch book was mentioned. As an ardent Raven Guard fan, I absolutely adored these two oddballs. Karras, surprisingly human and caring for a Death Spectre. Zeed, possibly the most extroverted, outgoing Raven Guard in existence. I loved the little interactions between these cousins. They seem quite fond of each other.

[@duo60692]

i think this interaction en specific is more telling of just how strict on tradition and ceremony the Death Specters are.

[@jikjikrodriguez]

I wonder what sort of interaction would occur if one of the Raven Guard or Successors encountered an Ashen Claw or a Carcharodon. The Carcharodons do tithe Marines to Death Watch so it could actually happen in lore

[@codybates2419]

They do meet in a different Deathwatch book. They even become part of the same kill team. This Raven Guard Zeed gives some shit to the Carcharadon. They are friendly.

[@jikjikrodriguez]

@@codybates2419 awesome mate!! I have to get back to reading the novels. Thanks for the confirmation

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Also, the Flesh Tearers took the breaking of Blood Angels, especially hard. Amit being venomantly against the sundering. The way I read the Devastation of Baal and Darkness of the Blood as the Blood Angels mostly working well with their successors with their being a handful of erst while brothers who scorn the bonds of the Blood. Flesh Tearers and Angels Vermillion being ones that come immediately to mind first.

[@NicholasSpeer-d7n]

This is one of the two videos you made that made me a RG fan!

[@jasonpatrignani4717]

I think that after the Devastation of Baal the Blood Angels and Successors are the new powerhouse and are likely seconded by the Dark Angels now that the Lion is reassembling the Legion. Going to your question about GOAT Chapter Master, Dante is back in the spotlight. The Ultramarines and successors are decent acquaintances and willing support each other, but they are also generally religious regarding the codex as it was written and installed by their Primarch. One thing I appreciate and recognized immediately following his return was that Roboute , while maintaining his honor guard, uses chooses to grab as many councilors and opinions from outside his gene pool as possible. More to the point of this video however, one of the things that has stood out to me throughout most of the Raven Guard lore has been that while they are quiet and withdrawn as opposed to being boisterous they always seems to have very very very strong friendships and relations with those they are encountered with. The characters that are written always seem humble but have incredible prowess, which certainly checks with Corax.

[@marshaledrek71]

Not surprised at all to see this among the Raven Guard. They've always been one of the most humble and sensible space marine chapters. They're not a chapter that suffers pomp and other unnecessary things that would keep these sort of bonds form existing.

[@joecampbell3660]

I’m gonna paint my leviathan box set as raven guard

[@abrahamxavierraja6742]

Honestly if not for my hate of the Inquisition I would love the Deathwatch way more. Just the thought of so many chapters mingling from every bloodline sounds like awesome place for banter and great conversation

[@kingerc1]

I mean the sons of the lion still fallow the dark angels lead for the most part so I’d put them up there

[@exiledadrian103]

Raven Guard cawing at each other and their successors like Ravens delights me. Corax: *CAW*

[@AzrealMaximus]

Victorus Aut😯😮CAW CAW😑Mortis

[@izznoogood]

Raptor Squad ofc. They were made after the massacre by using primarch gene tech ffs :D Going from kid to fully grown is a super short time. When they were first tested in battle they behaved like teenagers going wild and just utterly slaying a word bearer base in 10 mins lmao :D

[@djsaunter]

As a Salamanders fanboy, I always click on anything Raven Guard because of 2 reasons. 1. Istvan 2. ETTSpeech Brotrip!!!! ❤️

[@HarleyHerbert]

I think that another thing that complicates matters between the various chapters that share the same primarch heritage is the existence of successor chapters of successor chapters. It's easy for a chapter to feel kinship and loyalty to a chapter from whom they directly are created from, as their chapter is like a child of the one they are created from, but if a successor chapter then sires a new chapter themselves the new chapter doesn't have a direct link to the original, instead being linked *through* their primogenitors. It dilutes the influence the original legion/chapter has on the new generation chapter, and the new chapter would most likely feel compelled to have loyalty to the chapter that they were created from rather than the original chapter their sires were created from.

[@bankotsu2a]

I have really been enjoying these legacy relashonship/interaction videos

[@smeekma]

Love the vid, Steve Parker's Deathwatch series was my favorite 40k series to read!

[@yellowdancer7055]

I am a big RG fan. In the RG omnibus you see several RG show open distrust for successor chapters... referring to them as "divergent." Specifically the Knights of the Raven a second founding chapter.

[@AzrealMaximus]

The distrust is from the continued reminder of the 20th legion screwing with their geneseed.

[@leenan2345]

... The raven guard have an omnibus? Why did I not know this 😭 I was under the impression that they didn't and I complain about it all the time.

[@captainviktorgrim261]

Dante calls 90% of the IX legions rocks up too Baal in defense of their brothers, their father's home, and his tomb.

[@AzrealMaximus]

I believe during the siege of Baal, Dante handed the only surviving feather relic to the flesh tearers.

[@adamgardner3768]

Raven Bois sons are just adorable loners.

[@Abb0able]

Carcharodons are not so adorable :)

[@rexaxis3450]

​@@Abb0able it's that added zest of Konrad

[@attemptedunkindness3632]

@@rexaxis3450 More like Arkhas Fal and the remnants of Ash Legion.

[@Abb0able]

@@rexaxis3450 Dunno, i rather believe they have a bit from War hound or Dusk Raider stock before Night lord im missing a bit of the bat shit insane individuality or bullying behaviour from them, they seem to be very pragmatic, professional and goal focused compared to the average NL

[@rexaxis3450]

@@Abb0able I definitely see the aforementioned two, but the sharpened teeth, terror tactics, and sheer brutality reminded me a bit of the night lords, plus more upright examples like jago, but I do agree they have too much ego in comparison the corvus and the raven guard

[@nickboyles64]

I feel like the Dark Angels have this going on, mostly due to the Inner Circle.

[@satinthrone]

*slaps large RG tattoo* IMO this fits them to a tee! Oh how I wish we could get some of their unique units and more than one character, especially now there's only one mini in their 40k range who has retained the beak

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

"Victorus aut Mortis."

[@thomasschmidt1836]

I think there will, and maybe even should, be an element of respect shown toward Founding Chapter members from Successor Chapter members. Kind of a play on acknowledgement of an elder from a younger sibling. Of course there will always be some element of sibling rivalry as well but not necessarily malicious in intent. Just my feelings and impressions. Though not necessarily "required" nor expected persee, it nonetheless is not surprising for me. I am also curious if surviving members of the Celestial Lions have not chosen the path of the Black Shields and voluntarily seconded themselves to the Deathwatch. Of course only they would know which Chapter they originated from, but perhaps a short story or two where the marine recalls something from his past, in reflection, while he is with the Deathwatch. Just a thought of mine.

[@markusgraveside4738]

The Ravenguard was almost annihilated in the Horus Heresy. Ravenguard were also never a large legion, so any large losses would be devastating, meaning any successor chapters would be highly valued.

[@AzrealMaximus]

If I recall, after the culling at gate 42 of terran born, there were 80k at the Istvann V at the start. I believe 3k survived plus what was left at Deliverance.

[@blakecouch4621]

@@AzrealMaximus which were also the ones who were in the warrior lodges with the luna wolves

[@AzrealMaximus]

@@blakecouch4621 You are correct

[@justinhhp87]

in the George Mann Novella Geld, Shrike had no issue inviting a knight of the raven to accompany a RG kill team because he had the gift of wraith slipping

[@robertflynn4215]

victorus Aut Mortis for I'm a son of corvus corax primarch of the XIX legion the raven guard !!!!🖤😶‍🌫️

[@canis2020]

I feel what we are actually seeing here is island dwarfism in 40k. The Raven Guard have very few succsessors compared with those like the Ultramarines or Blood Angels. The fewer there are the more social creatures feel needing to band together is beneficial for survival wereas the Ultramarines have so many that half of them couldnt even mention the names of the other half.

[@andrew1230981]

Someone remind me but are the space sharks a successor of the raven guard ?

[@AzrealMaximus]

Yes

[@sethswainston238]

I think the most wide spread relationship in the original legion is the raven guard and imperial fists. I would say the salamanders but like the space wolfs the are new to the Sean of sucerers that are not suspected.

[@raftguy1376]

Raptors are my favorite RG successor (at least of those that ate official).

[@tensei_alter]

I would anticipate that the ties between chapters are less strained the more cultural similarities there are between them- while the Mortifactors closely follow the Codex, culturally they are more distinct from the Imperium and the Ultramarines than a chapter like the Novamarines or the White Consuls. Similarly, I would expect less close ties between the Ultramarines and the Emperor's Spears.

[@Buch0u_1]

Ever since reading a lore bit about the Death Spectres recruiting/recruit procurement practices, I can't help but think Corax would hate them. They're god awful examples of what Corax stood for, and he would absolutely put a ton of them to the sword if he came for a visit. Raptors are definitely a cool one though.

[@Matihood1]

I need more Deathwatch books in my life. As many as possible.

[@drakemguard1407]

What about Lion's sons ? They call themselves chapters in paper but they're still technically a Legion just operating on different sectors

[@daddayton3926]

All the survivors of istvaan probable have better ties than others

[@КалоянЯнков-ш8ш]

I wouldn't say so, maybe salamanders and raven guard, but the iron hands are so dissapointed in their cousins since they retreated at istvaan and they sorta kinda blame their primarch's death on them

[@lXenn0nl]

There are examples of Raven Guard not respecting the successor chapters also. In the book "The Geld". Qeld of the newly formed Mor Deythan detests the inclusion of Mordren who is of the Knights of the Raven chapter. He's silenced pretty quickly however by Shrike who wont tolerate that attitude.

[@exiledadrian103]

Off-topic- the sigil of the Raven Guard has always seemed very medieval German/Holy Roman Empire

[@cody1570]

Fun fact when did the raptors chapter show up? The video game Fire warrior. Playing the tau Kais who was the commando lone wolf that studied along side shadow sun and O'shova (farsight). Boom your welcome

[@r.walker6577]

What about the Dark Angels? I think they have the strongest bond

[@SethVanSythe]

agreed if I were to ignore the fact that they'd turn on each other just to keep the fallen obscured. So they have the easiest bond to break.

[@heirwolf6929]

It has to be said though, the Mortifactors must be one of the more extreme chapters of the Ultras. Maybe if the chapter was more alike their parent chapter, things would be more relaxed and friendly.

[@dexterello]

finally

[@trajanfidelis]

Hydra Domi-I MEAN victoris aut mortis! 😅

[@shadowwalker3958]

Hydra Dominatus until the Raven guards start wraith slipping.

[@alexstan414]

Brother..? 👀🐦‍⬛

[@messihr]

Gonna be honest here, I don't think the Mortifactors are actually sons of Guilliman. I think that whole batch comes from the legionaries Bobby G took in from the lost and the forgotten.

[@HugsNotDrugs07]

the unforgiven

[@lopezmarlon]

His confusion is legit considering the Raven Guard Primarch usual disposition. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4u1c6hqgq6Nd68 😅

[@PowerOverwheming-zq4hw]

Beautiful moment