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[@Severian1]

From 1-100% strength finally! Welcome back Nadia.

[@LuisSierra42]

Woman carried baby

[@GeckGeckGeck]

She's BACKKKKK!!!!!!

[@peteralfredhess]

Congrats to you both for Nadia returning and Jake’s joining a certain podcast! Man Carrying Sardonicast was like fan fiction come true!

[@roramdin]

u guys look so cute! going to try to listen to the review but focused on pride in y'all being parents and somehow managing to film a youtube review

[@irrelevantonyt]

I was also quite surprised that Innocent was just intersex. I was thinking "Is that it?" and was mildly disappointed. Upon looking at Catholic perspectives on the film though, I think I've changed my mind. Generally, most Catholics seem to HATE the twist. They think that Innocent being intersex means he should immediately be disqualified and it's a total violation of their faith. Seeing that perspective made me realise how big of a deal the final scene really is for Lawrence. It's the ultimate test of whether he is willing to rely on his faith in the deceased Pope he loved, the progressive politics he pushes for and what he feels is right. He can't be sure he is following the will of the lord, in fact the vast majority of people he would associate with would be telling him that an intersex pope is in direct violation of the lord. But Lawrence has to suck it up and have faith that he knows what is right and what God would truly wish, even if his entire upbringing and community disagrees. On the point of Innocent becoming Pope at all though, I don't think it was too unrealistic. As some others have mentioned in the comments, I think you need to look at it not just from a political lens but also a spiritual one. At this point in the film, the ultra conservate portion have decided on a single candidate and can avoid splitting their votes, while all the moderates and progressives are still throwing their votes for many different parties. What they needed was a unifying force so that the entire 'progressive' base could agree to vote on one person. At first it seemed like this would be Lawrence, mostly just because he was close to the previous Pope, had various connections and had supporters who trusted him. This wasn't a spiritual pick, it was a strategic one. Lawrence himself doesn't seem to believe that he has been spiritually chosen, he just thinks that they can't let the conservatives win and that he might actually want to be Pope. However, when the ballots are going to be cast for Lawrence, the explosion happens. This very much feels like divine intervention, if you were one of the cardinals this would be an immediate sign of "Lawrence is definitely the wrong choice". Lawrence casting a vote for himself while the church is torn apart and rubble perfectly cuts and coats him would definitely be seen as a sign. He is out of the running now. But at this point, there's no one who can lead the progressive base. That is until Innocent's speech. Partly the words of it, partly how it is presented. He speaks in a way which is extremely Christlike and a window perfectly frames him with divine, heavenly light. In any other movie these details would be for the viewer alone, but because of this setting, it's very likely that the other cardinals would be seeing this as a sign. Innocent is the right choice. And that would be enough to sway any of the progressives who were uncertain which candidate to vote for, their answer was already provided by God.

[@trinaq]

Welcome back, Nadia, we missed you in these commentaries, and I hope that your baby is thriving. If Adrien Brody doesn't win Best Actor, I hope that it goes to Ralph Fiennes, since he delivers one of the finest performances of his career.

[@anthonymartensen3164]

The ending reveal is literally just a reinforcement of the themes of the movie.

[@damdaley8092]

I only agree with this if you mean it in a good way

[@anthonymartensen3164]

@damdaley8092 yes.

[@harrytodhunter5078]

WOMAN COMING BACK

[@PedroHenrique-yx2zj]

Finally the Chanel is good again, this is partially a joke

[@captaincanaveral]

Man was Carrying the Thing for so long; welcome back Nadia!!

[@ngs2683]

I love listening to your videos as a podcast while I'm cooking and eating. ❤

[@TheMysticallPie]

I also was underwhelmed by the reveal, but I think the sudden shift in votes can also be attributed to an act of faith/ epiphany. At the end of the day, despite their foibles and politicking the cardinals are presumably believers.

[@googleforcedhandle]

also, by him being so new and 'innocent' they probably assume theyll be able to steer him to their side in the future compared to the other candidates who are more seasoned.

[@JeffBezos-b6x]

Tedesco is Emilia Perez Bellini is Conclave Benitez is Dune pt.2 God willing the Academy hears our prayers, amen.

[@zachbirch1545]

This was my favorite movie of last year. Glad y’all finally watched it

[@tzfsr]

I can finally trust these reviews, the normal one is back!

[@bilalsadiq1450]

I'm so tired of seeing YotuTubers with immaculate, brand new t-shirts, usually with their own trite logo/trademark on it, so when I see Man wearing a hilariously faded, loose-fitting Coca-Cola t-shirt that's probably been used and washed hundreds of times, it's like a breath of fresh air.

[@iSamwise]

0:53 I don’t think I can rewatch Prisoners now that I’m a dad.

[@theamazingsam1954]

Welcome back Nadia !! (Yes Jake thank god Nadia is back )

[@Sabrowsky]

Yaay Nadia is back, Woman can once more Carry Man

[@9933miguelangel]

I don't think it's about the twist being revealing, just coming out of left field. I saw it in the theaters without knowing anything about a reveal, and loved it, but it felt like the ending was coming from a different movie. Not super controversial, just sudden.

[@tintinismybelgian]

The twist is different in the book and has better foreshadowing throughout.

[@valliyarnl]

So glad Nadia is back!! So glad to hear her correct opinions again ☺️💐

[@Theleux.]

Similar rating range to the both of you! Thought it was a great watching experience, some moments albeit could have been tuned a bit better. Also welcome back! Glad to see both of you back on here.

[@alexfouquetfr]

NADIAAAAAA !!! Congratulations and welcome back!!!

[@TheHumanPurpleTape]

Welcome back, Nadia! Jake is excellent... but he needed The Queen.

[@MrStoyan5]

Another Nadia appreciation post incoming! 👏👏👏

[@Jordan67145]

Good to see Nadia back!

[@ianhucke3031]

oh how we've missed you Nadia

[@Gus1494]

Can't wait to hear your infant son's opinion on all these movies.

[@ChuckDarwin1909]

Can i just say it was particularly strange that Adam was so harsh on the score - the score was like *the* reason that this was recommended to me.

[@mangsmoof]

NADIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ARedMongoose]

Nadia's back! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@stevenkollin4409]

welcome back nadia

[@friendlypup5650]

My mom was loving the movie, and then the end happened and we were both like “…uh”

[@superanxiety261]

The goat is back

[@CortexGrimuloid]

now the woman can sufficiently carry man once again

[@user-hi4sm3ig5j]

I'm glad Nadia is back. Also I have a sudden urge to enjoy a cold glass of Coca Cola.

[@robonick3607]

🎉🎉🎉 The band is back together

[@wordsworthdirt]

1:01 The first movie my wife and I went to after we had our baby was The Road. Oops.

[@marycas5974]

Finally!! Nadia is 90% this channel

[@taregunner7872]

i thought the twist at the end was excellent; the entire story revolves around the liberal cardinals trying to elect a liberal pope and the reveal makes them question all their convictions because it asks the question of how far are they willing to go(how libera are they willing to become)

[@MrTotallynotJosh]

Welcome back!

[@t1mos]

18:30 I ABANDONED MY CHILD!!!

[@CocontHead]

The woman behind the man behind the thing ❤

[@samuelbarber6177]

I thought this movie was fantastic, personally. Ralph Fiennes really deserves an Oscar one of these days.

[@perrypereyra6671]

Nadia!!!!

[@grandadmiralthrawn3494]

Hope you find your kid. Good luck.

[@Dynamick65]

Woooooo!

[@thatoneguy57]

Why’re you asking me, I haven’t seen the movie?

[@RememberTheDead]

The Popess returns

[@Akazainul]

I still really want to know what she thinks about Emilia Perez tho

[@al_3x912]

Yay!!!

[@coletrainhetrick]

It's funny you are now on sardonicast and immediately having the opposite opinion of adum on this and emelia perez

[@Riz_Miah]

The score doesn't match the plot of the film. Sound says one thing while the story is so reserved and unexplosive (Except for the actual explosion outside) Like you said the twist perfectly encapsulates my point. I expected such a bombastic ending then it's a big nothing burger at face value. Some thematical resonance but hardly anything good.

[@roastbeefy0weefy]

of course YMS hates this lol. I watched it deep in the bowels of a nyquil binge and thought it was suspenseful, noble, pretty and possibly funnier than it's aware of. Loved the austere set pieces and all their preposterous pope tech. Agreed that the "twist" is just kind of a development.

[@ME-ed7gc]

The screenplay for this movie was terrible it’s the acting cinematography and music that helps this movie

[@tintinismybelgian]

The book was much more enjoyable.

[@Riz_Miah]

Indeed that's it... Very disappointed with the film.

[@lexlayton7966]

the movie was too vague. Never really addressed real issues. Great performances, just not much to work with

[@basilechatelain965]

The ending of the movie was VERY stupid imho, quite ruined it for me.

[@ggadams639]

I really liked the movie but the end kinda ruined the message of the movie. It destroyed the subtility of the build up and theme to make it into like a quick easy propaganda about modernity and gender normes, instead of focusing like the movie did on what is faith and being worthy.

[@theeviloverlord7168]

From a Catholic, the ending made sense to me. Because the new pope was elected based on his own merit, whereas if it had come out he was intersex he would have been expelled from the clergy if not excommunicated, no further questions asked.

[@dancinginfernal]

Except the reveal is what presents the true test of faith for Lawrence. If the clergy became aware, Innocent would be excommunicated, even though he would be the right choice, politically and spiritually.