Women often have little time for hobbies or if they do have hobbies the tend to be things they can

[@sheilajstorms]

Add into this that most “society-approved” women’s hobbies are often additional domestic work that still benefits the family: sewing, quilting, knitting, crocheting, baking, music played to entertain family and friends, gardening either for food or a more beautiful home, even exercise and salon time is encouraged not because she benefits, but because it makes her more physically appealing and better able to withstand hard work. Even if she golfs, it’s often viewed as a networking activity rather than a real hobby. 😢 When I met a woman whose hobby is skeet shooting, I nearly leaped for joy.

[@cb9825]

That's true! My hobby is sewing and I make a point of sewing beautiful clothes for myself. Family usually gets very simple things made from whatever leftover fabric I have 😂 they are nice practical things though. Pretty bucket hats, etc.

[@thiacari]

How about bareback riding and horses? That's very time and money consuming. Soccer, pole dancing, surfing... Hobbies often require one to be quite well off though.

[@kinseylise8595]

Very true! I naturally love gardening after growing up around a big garden (managed by my father, go dad!) but I did notice after doing it in my first apartment with a boyfriend that I was spending time every morning on something that saved on our grocery bill while he played chess. I was knitting gifts which saves us money while he did martial arts (which I also love but can't find a good gym for in this area). I was cooking while he did his work or went out with friends (I didn't really have friends even before meeting him). I have plenty of "real hobbies" that I enjoy but saving money, providing domestic care, and meeting social expectations (having nice gifts for people) was coming first to the detriment of those things. Thankfully, he was/is a reasonable human being and changes were made. Turns out his cooking is pretty good once he's been forced to practice and learn the recipes, and laundry never interrupts my videogame time! Good men will change because they view you as a person and want you to have the things that they enjoy having time for (hobbies, rest, work, etc).

[@Nick-hi9gx]

...wow. Imagine thinking exercise is just to be physically appealing and not about health... How about fashion? Scrap booking? Couponing and shopping? Yoga?

[@sheilajstorms]

My point isn’t that most women choose hobbies for those reasons, but that she is more likely to get the support of her spouse and community if her family also benefit from her hobby. If her hobby produces something valuable or makes her husband’s life more pleasant, if she brings in money or gives him bragging rights, then the likelihood that he won’t interfere with her hobbies gets much higher.

[@linax4485]

Dear husband once got himself convinced that COOKING was my hobby😂 well we cleared that up. Was an emotional discussion

[@kinseylise8595]

Oh my, I can't even imagine how angry and upset I would've been if someone had told me that cooking was my hobby. I'm glad you got him straightened out!

[@sebdapleb1523]

@@kinseylise8595 cooking is mine but I still live with my parents so its more chill im just trying to get good at cooking to impress my imaginary future girlfriend

[@FractalFire]

My husband is religious and I'm not. So I like to take the hour and a half that he's at church to just exist and do whatever I want, and so often he gets annoyed at me for not doing something "productive" during that time. 🙄

[@seemu2927]

What a nightmare. You deserve rest!

[@fancythisgirl3]

That is the perfect example of taking an opportunity to “give them the same energy”. Next time he’s doing something “unproductive”, in a way that works for you: ask him why he’s being unproductive, ask how that made him feel, then tell him to never question why you took time for yourself.

[@aranyaphoenix]

Tell him, “Dear, it’s the sabbath day. Even God takes a day off. Now, be a good Christian and leave me to my rest and relaxation.”

[@valeriaswanne]

Tomorrow mine wants to go to a church function that is at the same time as sca fighter practice, so I get to take my little guy with me to my hobby

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Lol...he can go to helllllll....

[@carmaela2689]

I used to feel bad, until I didn't. I matured and realized what I was doing to myself and began taking time for me. You have to fiercely protect your sanity. You'll be a better mom for it. Dad watching them for a bit so you can walk or go to a class or out with some friends won't kill him. If he gives you a hard time about it, tell him to suck eggs.

[@SoundFuryBookReviews]

Exactly. My trivia team is called The Mothers because we're all moms. We do trivia every Tuesday. All of our husbands encouraged it to help us get out of the house as they realise we need to unwind too. 🙂

[@Ad1nfernum]

​@@SoundFuryBookReviews I need to find an all-moms trivia team! That sounds amazing!!

[@fairywingsonroses]

Both my husband and my kid wonder why I don't like playing video games that require a big commitment or why I don't play my flute anymore. This is why. I need something that can be over in 10 minutes or less. Even when I do have more time than that, I'm so tired and unfocused that I don't want to do anything else. It's so hard to have hobbies as a mother.

[@aligio2001]

You should talk them about this, maybe they're not aware about it, but would help you if they would notice the problem

[@fairywingsonroses]

@@aligio2001 My kid wouldn't get it (she's a kid, so I don't expect her to), and I'm so exhausted that I just don't care anymore. I have zero motivation to even try to have a hobby. It's just not worth it to commit to one more thing when I already feel like I have too much on my plate. I had hobbies when my daughter was younger, and they just started to feel like an added chore. It wasn't enjoyable to have hobbies when I was already so tired.

[@mothdust1634]

My hobby became napping, and I don't even have kids yet... and by "nap" I mean I lean back in my office chair and close my eyes for 5-10 min and just let my mind wander and daydream. It's more like meditation really. It really helps though. Takes me out of reality for a bit, Walter Mitty style.

[@madmadammeag5141]

My husband is always asking why I don't watch documentaries or read non-fiction or fiction with heavy themes anymore, and it's entirely because I don't want to have to constantly stop and restart a section because I got interrupted before I could fully absorb it, or I didn't hear it because it suddenly got loud in the room.

[@valeriaswanne]

After our first was born, I had a hard time. I was constantly busy, not sleeping or showering, and always stressed. While I was running around with my hair on fire, you know what my man was doing? He was logging 30 hours of video games each week, according to Steam. He spent more time playing than I did sleeping. We've since reworked things. If I catch him playing games, I hand him the baby. He can hold the baby and play games just fine. He wakes up early and takes the baby while I sleep in after being up all night. It got better. I even have time for things now. I feel bad plopping my kid down in front of Spiderman so I can knit for an hour, but I shouldn't have to. I joined the SCA. They can live without me for a couple hours a week. I could even take the kid with me and still enjoy it. I found the time for myself once he adjusted, and we're doing really great now.

[@valeriaswanne]

I also want to add that he makes most of the food, which is a huge contribution.

[@SeraYagami]

I'm so glad to hear that things changed and it worked out for you!

[@Evija3000]

That's something that worries me. Me and my boyfriend both play computer games, that's actually how we met and right now it's fine. I do more housework, but he readily participates when I ask. But I just feel that gaming and housework could be an issue if we got a kid. I've already reduced my gaming time to cook for the two of us, he has made no similar concessions. I feel like I'd need to mentally prepare him for the change, while I've been prepared for the responsibility of caring for a family since I was like 10.

[@Asongbook]

​@@Evija3000 that last setnce.

[@kinseylise8595]

@@Evija3000 I relate to this feeling and situation a lot. It's definitely something to confront sooner rather than later!

[@kikijewell2967]

We moved when our kid was little, and moved a shared metal studio. My husband (at the time) was spending weekends setting up all the equipment and organizing. One day, (our kid was about 4yo), he said, "I need to go by the shop, so I'll drop you two off first." I said, "no, I haven't even seen the shop at all! Please!" But when I saw it, I burst into tears. Another artist friend asked what was wrong. I said, "I haven't seen my shop for 4 years, and I know it's going to be another 5 years before I will ever spend time here." He put his arm around me and said, "oh come on. It won't be _that bad!"_ It wasn't until our kid turned 10, and I demanded for one weekend day of my own that I saw that shop.

[@emilyjackson1289]

"(at the time)" 😂

[@kikijewell2967]

@@emilyjackson1289 😁 Surprise epilogue: during the divorce (he left Aug 2020 - think about that timing) I knew we would have to split the shop somehow. If one person bought the other out, it would never be fair. We'd accumulated tools over 20 years, yard sales and warehouse sales. Tools that cost maybe $1-2, also cost lots of _time_ to accumulate. Neither party could take those pennies and recreate such a well stocked studio. So I sat there, knowing a buy out in either direction....would likely screw me over more strongly. (If I took the tools, I'd have to pay rent, which I now couldn't afford. If he did, he'd screw me on the price.) So I sat in the shop, looking at everything, and thinking to myself: is there anything I could _trade_ for my share of the shop? Well...there was one thing! I had bought a junkyard Tesla from a friend who fixes and converts electric cars. I'd been working on my car as an art car - a Victorian Tea Parlor, with functioning tea boiler and scone baker. (Yes, this is fact. Check my channel, though it's mostly gaming streams now.) My car blue booked for about $20k. The shop was probably worth a few thousand in tools. But it was worth so much more in _time._ So I offered the trade: my car for the shop. At first, my ex said nfw. But I had an ace up my sleeve too: we had a mill! Worth thousands. It has been given for free to _me_ but my ex made it exclusively his. I said I was taking the mill. So he said he would take off the DRO and other parts he'd installed himself. But in that process, he knew he didn't want to lose the mill. Or the tools. So in the end, he took the shop, and I took my car. And now I have no tools. And I'm back to slowly acquiring the tools I need. But I have my beloved car. And really, we each got a good deal. And I wouldn't have had a fair deal any other way.

[@FringePrincess]

@@kikijewell2967thank you for sharing your story

[@Emma-se5wm]

@@kikijewell2967 i'm so sorry you went through all that but glad you got a deal re: assets that worked out for you. And holy crap....leaving in Aug 2020. The start of the school year. With all the stress of many kids (especially harder for elementary age) doing remote schooling. Oh my.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Yep, there's a reason Moms don't have hobbies that take them out of the house and unreachable; because they are constantly given the message their household would crumble if they do that.

[@kikijewell2967]

They're not wrong. And that's not right.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

@tedtimberson4262 Mountain climbing, rock climbing, beach volleyball, and soccer at the moment. Do each of those at least once a week. That's only possible because I don't have kids or some dude. It is so great. 🙂

[@alphamail8974]

​@tedtimberson4262 Bass guitar, skating, juggling, puzzles, video games, reading, biking, swimming... What is your point? Hobbies or not, we all deserve some free time.

[@loufrando]

@tedtimberson4262 there was not one mention in this entire topic of people ‘getting out of the house’. We are talking about HOBBIES. Definition: an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure. Do you think that mothers doing childcare- taking the kids to the park or pool and watching them outside equals her own individual adult interests? Or is she doing her job? Parenting isn’t a hobby 😂 By your logic, men shouldn’t be entitled to their hobbies bc they should be happy & fulfilled in every way that they get to socialize with other ppl at work all day- so much conversation and it’s out of the house! 😊

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

@tedtimberson4262 Mountain climbing and hiking are different.......very different....oh, Ted. You're grasping at straws here. I'm training for Denali at the moment. Yes, most of my climbing is technical and above treeline. Climbing has a focus of 'summiting' while 'hiking' is often more casual and about miles traveled. Often mountain climbers choose to take shorter routes that are steeper the get to the summit. They are different sports.

[@SoundFuryBookReviews]

Totally true. Luckily, I don't stand for that shit. I have hobbies that take me out of the house and I'm unapologetic about it. While we don't have like a tally going, my husband and I are pretty equitable when it comes to hobbies. He tends to do bigger chunks - like gone the whole weekend on a cano trip - but I have my weekly Tuesday trivia night. Because this imbalance seems to be a societal thing, I think women just need to pick a hobby that gets them out of the house at a regular time each week and just say, "hey I'm interested in this and I'm going to try it". If their husbands push back, then point out the disparity in hobbies. If they don't, then you have a good dude. 🙂

[@Evija3000]

Good point. Women often have hobbies inside the house and that means you can't really get away. But then again, I'm an introvert and going out wouldn't be fully relaxing for me either. Guess something like a quiet arts class might work :D

[@h.l.vangogh]

So true. I haven't had a hobby since my son was born and I'm pregnant with my second. I'm really starting to miss all those fun things I used to have time for

[@aligio2001]

Does your partner help you with your child and your pregnancy?

[@rudetuesday]

I hope you can have hobbies again soon. Seeing Mom and her sisters at their hobbies had a huge effect on how my brother and I see our lives. We all deserve to have moments of joy that can be primarily for us.

[@Mandara1847]

Do you have a partner? Why do you not have time on your own then? He is not a sideshot - he is 50% of the parents that baby has… He is entiteled to spend equal time alone with it as you do (evil-grin)…

[@missinterpretation4984]

His hobby was golfing Saturday mornings and mine was cleaning the house after we both worked all week so it was great.

[@NoHairStyle]

The crappy part with this is it staets before you even move out and have kids. If mom needs help with something or when your parents start to get older, it's almost always the daughter's responsibility to take on those tasks and it's just expected, no matter if you're the younger or older child. This sucks cause then you already get into this mindset before even having kids and then you wonder why you have no tangible hobbies.

[@Evija3000]

Oh don't get me started on this :D Whenever I didn't do the dishes or didn't know how to cook something that my mom had never taught me: "what kind of a wife and mother are you're gonna be if you can't even do this?"... meanwhile my brother is just playing computer games in a dirty room after convincing our mom when he was like 7 that most tasks are too difficult for him since he's left handed.

[@mothdust1634]

@@Evija3000 My little brother refused to do anything to help even when it would benefit himself so I would just make fun of him for being weak and useless and dumb. Eventually he would do the thing.

[@indrinita]

And this is why I’m child free.

[@adrianapavel27]

What are your hobbies? I'm about to become a mother one of these days, but I never really had any hobbies. I'm genuinely curious

[@alphamail8974]

​@@adrianapavel27Try a puzzle, or some fantasy books! An instrument, maybe go bowling? Google "hobby ideas for beginners" and pick a random thing!

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

​@@adrianapavel27 Hiking cycling, join a club that interests you

[@SM-ws5ub]

Childfree too. I clocked all this when I was a girl. Men are boys play in our faces😅

[@thecagedsong]

My mom was doing triathalons when we were little. Physical and mental health, goal reaching, socializing. We (kids and dad) made sure she could go out and do that because she was so much happier. Still got flack for it from some women in the community who thought she should spend more time with us. Say it louder that this is a society issue!

[@cheryllwaldrop9732]

A lot of this could be solved if husbands would commit to making sure that they put in the effort to make sure their wives get as much free time as they do. The women put in the effort that allows the men to have their free time--just reciprocate.

[@abaker2302]

If the hobby can be done at home it's almost impossible to complete a thought let alone do the hobby to completion because of the incessant interruptions. Additionally there's not even enough time to decompress & get in rhe hobby headspace.

[@madmadammeag5141]

I'm in the middle of editing a book for publication and writing another. It's taken me 2 months to read 10 chapters of my own work and write 8. Why? "MOMMY! Where's my...?" "Honey have you seen?" "Meow(I want food)" "Woof woof(let me outside)"

[@Mandara1847]

Heavens, YELL AT THEM. They need to understand „No means no!“ They do respect the „I need quiet for this“ from their father - don‘t they? So, guess, why! He insists on that. It IS that easy.

[@toniaconlon1025]

This is so interesting because myself, my husband and son where juat chatting about this. My husband pointed out no matter what he does (and i know its true ive seen it) if im doing a hobby in our house our sons want to do it with me. My husband said he can do his cos his are outside of the house. Far point so I solved this by booking piano lessons for a week night and its booked in that he does bedtime that night. Its my hobby time now.

[@Mandara1847]

You do not know, that you are perfectely entiteled to tell your kids „No, this is mommy-time- you do NOT do „help me“? How otherwise shall they respect other persons space, if they did never learn, that others have this right?

[@adrianapavel27]

Please give me more examples of hobbies. I think I never really had any

[@rachelwhite2210]

Same! And it’s because I don’t have time for real hobbies. I just have small pockets of time and I try to cram something in there to feel like I have a personality.

[@ApsaraSilverwing]

​@@rachelwhite2210Drawing and writing can actually be crammed into some surprisingly small pockets of time.

[@ApsaraSilverwing]

Bird watching.

[@HalfBlindPlans]

Hiking, camping, fishing, bird watching, nature gardens, reading, movies and TV, painting/sewing/crafty things, woodworking, gardening (fruit, veggie or non-food), computer programming, web design, graphic design, swimming, kayaking, Lego, puzzles, writing, learning, research, community classes, college classes, instruments, singing, rock hunting, visiting historical sites, travel, making skin care products, developing new recipes, blogging, making tutorials, developing new skills, and google can probably come up with so many more. 😊

[@adrianapavel27]

@@HalfBlindPlans thanks! I have only a few hobbies then. Watching KZbin/scrolling TikTok are considered hobbies? 😁😂

[@madmadammeag5141]

Or if they're SAHMs their hobbies become something to monetize so that they feel like they're contributing.

[@amym6645]

Wow…as always, such a fascinating perspective on things I don’t think much about. I definitely feel like my female friends who are married with kids would list their hobbies like you described. I never thought of how men’s hobbies are/could be viewed so differently.

[@crismcdonough2804]

A male friend who is the same age loves to golf snd is good at it. As a single mother i never had time yo play or practice. He has a hobby to enjoy in retirement. And im decades behind

[@JudithRBos]

I hadn't even thought of that, but it is so true! The pockets of time and the hobbies that are actually self care, ai do that too!

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

@tedtimberson4262 As if women are only allowed to have free time if they fill it with hobbies? The point of this video is some women who want to have hobbies can't because unequal marriage responsibilities. But other women may just want free time to do absolutely nothing, and that's equally valid.

[@HonestlyHolistic]

so happy to be childless because my hobbies are just so important to me! Plus, you don't have to look good for society if you choose not to and if you do have a partner, they should help out too. Don't settle for less and take time for yourself

[@seemu2927]

I feel like I do a lot of self care because of the immense beauty standards. It’s too much,

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

What immense beauty standards?

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

@@wyleecoyotee4252 Have you been living under a rock? lol

[@kyliecallaway5273]

The thing you didn’t add about reading is you can listen to audiobooks while doing domestic labor!

[@Shelb13v]

Tbh everyone needs meaningful work and enough rest. Men are having their women work full time jobs and do chores around the house and take care of their children. Hobbies are fine on either side, but when men have "idle hands and fullness of bread" while their women are working non stop there's sin lingering at the door. The rational thing is that women ask for their husbands to provide them with their needs.

[@aleksandra...]

sin? ask? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@mothdust1634]

I'm not religious, but I see where you are coming from with the "sin" aspect. It is greedy and selfish, which is sinful according to many scriptures from various religions. However, it is difficult for women to ask for help when men ignore them or belittle their needs all of the time. I really don't know how this can be fixed if it's not from the men's side. Otherwise divorce rates will just keep going, but men don't seem to care about that either so idk.

[@juliakhali4114]

I love how you break it up in a logical manner where it can be understood by anyone no matter what their values are in the beginning

[@Sparklyeyedmisfit]

Yes! Yes! I ❤ I ❤ u already! ❤❤.. exactly..women need time for hobbies! ❤❤❤❤

[@r.a.y.1704]

I once said to a colleague, who knew that I didn’t have children and that I was married, “I feel like a single parent!”

[@wyleecoyotee4252]

Plenty of time if the stay single or childfree couple.

[@psychicbyinternet]

That's true but it's messed up because if society was more equitable and men were more willing to pitch in with domestic labour (not all men are unwilling but a lot are), then you could be in a relationship or married with kids and still have time for hobbies because both people are doing equal work and no one is taken advantage of. Hopefully this will change at some point and there are some couples where things are equal but I wish that was the majority of couples and not the minority.

[@emberalexander7444]

Couples that share the workload more equally usually just means both people have a little more time for basic self-care but still no time for hobbies because they’re both expected to work full time or the balance becomes unequal again. Hobbies (that meet this person’s standards) only exist for children and adults that act like children

[@HalfBlindPlans]

Or neither spouse spends inordinate or unequal amounts of time on hobbies. 🙃 I dont think either of us would describe anything in particular as a hobby. Being labeled a hobby makes it sound more involved or more frequent than other things a person might enjoy doing. We each have things we really enjoy doing, but don't do them often enough to feel like it could be called a hobby, even if other people call those same activities their hobbies.

[@wilczajagoda734]

Well, manicure may be self-care or beauty standards when you're painting your nails from time to time in one solid color. But when you own different bases, coatings, you have three different shades of yellow, spend your time learning new designs - that is a hobby. I see what you are going for, but cooking, knitting, make-up and other things like that can be a full hobby, even expensive one.

[@breh9243]

Great video! Keep it up!

[@HighlandViolinist]

I find I also look for hobbies that take little brainwork because the mental load needs to be soent elsewhere. This makes me miss some of my hobbies that takes more thinking though 😢

[@kellyking4122]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK

[@hengineer]

You have to accept that your husband is going to have a different way of parenting your children. Many women DON'T. If you leave the husband alone with the kids he's going to parent very differently than you. As long as everyone is alive after that and fed/taken care of, its ok. Most husbands have no problem allowing you to have time for yourself. When our son was born I had zero hobbies for the first 2 years of his life. Also point of note, going to work is not a hobby. My wife still hasn't figured out that "you get a break at work". No when I'm at work my time is literally not my own, it belongs to my employer. Plus when my son started going to school she had all the time in the world. I keep encouraging her to have hobbies, go out and meet people.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Work is a break compared to watching a newborn/toddler. And the fact that your wife tried to tell you this, and you just brushed it off.......you are an example of why women are just done

[@Evija3000]

Going to work is not a hobby, but it's still a change of pace. You're not tied to doing the same thing the entire day and you get to talk to other adults, which stay at home mothers have less opportunity for.

[@hengineer]

@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 Considering I did both, Work is not a break. Again when you are at work, your time is not your own. its not "leisure" time, and my wife treated it like it was when conversing with me. I would have given anything to be home and dealing with our son, which I did deal with when I was home, it was easy. My wife just made things more complicated and "worse" than it really was.

[@emberalexander7444]

Talking to people who wouldn’t even blink and would replace you in a heartbeat vs talking to people who presumably you care about and they care about you…. This isn’t to say stay at home parents don’t need and deserve breaks and alone time but acting like spending time with bosses and coworkers is easier than spending time with your actual family…..work is completely soulless, exhausting yourself for a company that doesn’t give a single fuck about you, parenting is exhausting yourself for people you care about and love, it actually means something. Big difference. So yeah, I do question whether parents who claim “you get a break at work” actually live their kids

[@07Flash11MRC]

When your wife takes care of the home and the kid(s), her time is also not her own. Also, unlike you, she doesn't get paid for her work and will unfortunately face the consequences of her unpaid labor when she'll have less money as retirement. You use a double standard as an excuse to treat your wife poorly.

[@lucymadelengregg4482]

Well interesting you said hunting. Cause men used to spend more rime away from home (hunting). And women would knit ever since vecause it was helpful to all having a blanket or rugg. And they used to stay at home mway more and in the home. Its not just societal its biological. I think men should have more hobby jobs. Fun Time away from the home wich is good for the family, preferably something physical and active. Modern western society at isnt build for a true biological human beeing. Noone wants to hear it no one wants to se it cause where all so comfortable. And where tied into our lives.

[@psychicbyinternet]

If you truly lived biologically you probably wouldn't live past 30. Nature is brutal. And no modern medicine so you'd be much more likely to get sick and die. And you'd have to give up on commenting inane shit on KZbin videos. How would you live?

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Honey, no. Were you around back then, hmmm? All of what you're saying has been debunked. Large game hunts were rare and not frequent. They were also high risk for low reward, trapping rabbits and small game as well as getting birds with slingshot were the most frequent meat sources, and both men and women did that. That's low effort, high reward. And then when agriculture was introduced, that was MUCH more calories for everyone, so then both men and women stayed in the home, and watched children, and both farmed.

[@lucymadelengregg4482]

@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 men and women are not equal nor build the same. Both serve different purposes. And women ARE better to raise offspring as is a man's voice to scare off a bear. Men are more aggressive. Less lovey Dovey. They have testosterone.

[@lucymadelengregg4482]

@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 I wonder who killed all the buffalos back than, I guess it's all been women?XD You are kidding me right?

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

@@lucymadelengregg4482 .......European trophy hunters with fire arms, girlie. You just made my point for me. Buffalo hunts were NOT frequent with native Americans, and were NOT a primary food source, hence them existing in large numbers prior to colonization. So the buffalo basically no longer existing has everything to do with CULTURE and nothing to do with 'how men naturally are'

[@אריאלברקוביץ-ת5ס]

dude, women wanted to both work and take care of the house. if you dont have time for hobbies, its on you

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Women want you to take care of the home, bro

[@SlimThrull]

So, stay single then

[@TheChaptstick1991]

lol serve men or be single. Don’t dare to ask for more.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Awwww, kiddo, do you really see it as that binary? Sorry for you

[@Slw1111]

You sound like someone who benefits from women having their free time stolen.

[@SlimThrull]

@@TheChaptstick1991 No, there's a third option: Find a good guy. I stopped bringing that up because most everyone hear either can't or won't do that. They'd rather complain about how bad men are and then marry one. Then they wonder why they're so unhappy. Gee, if only they could have somehow thought this through. So, if you can't do that and you want spare time, stay single.

[@SlimThrull]

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