Wonderland's War Review - with Tom Vasel

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The Dice Tower

The Dice Tower

Күн бұрын

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@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
I've gotten one play in, watched some playthroughs...I think with some more plays of this game it's going to be one of my favorite all time. The mix of power unlocking, bag building, area control, and press-your-luck with a fairly elegant ruleset (when you get used to it) is really, really fantastic. This is great. Really great game.
@TheBlakeWhitaker
@TheBlakeWhitaker 2 жыл бұрын
Played last night. The hype is real. The game is a masterpiece of design and is incredibly fun!
@theearlyresetband
@theearlyresetband 2 жыл бұрын
Also Tom I like your wonderland dress attire with the mad hatter purple hat vibes and cat tie. Props!
@theearlyresetband
@theearlyresetband 2 жыл бұрын
Loving this game so far! And I agree - painted my minis so they’re more distinguished on the board - solid 9/10 for me!
@rickrolledreviews186
@rickrolledreviews186 2 жыл бұрын
I've only been able to play on TTS before and I'm going mad having to wait to play with my physical copy of the game! Definitely in my Top 5 games....maybe even my new #1. I've seen a few people say that it looks convoluted. I will agree in that learning to play this game is a bit of a steep hill, but once you get going, you'll find it to be smooth sailing. And honestly, I don't think I'd want anything taken away from it. It has just enough meatiness to make it a delight for me. Also, bears noting that I usually don't enjoy area control games, but I simply love this one. Maybe it's because it has a lot more light heartedness to it....or maybe because no one is killing off my troops....it's all my doing with my bag pulls as I'm letting them go mad and scurry off the battlefield. Whatever the reason, it stands as the only area control game I will eagerly play and would never turn down a game of it. Truly deserving of the Seal of Excellence!
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
Going mad is very appropriate here :). It's not convoluted. Play it, and it flows really well. There's a LOT GOING ON, and for all that, it doesn't play long (to me).
@Dreader1962
@Dreader1962 2 жыл бұрын
Played last night as the Jabberwocky - its default power is weak because it's easy for players to avoid taking the poison, but one of the upgrades was great - the ability to exploit the madness cycle really ramped up my power in battles. We had five players and barely had time to finish, but everyone was playing for the first time so a replay would be much faster. They could have made the setup better and the person who owned the game had the deluxe version and had a couple of chip decals that were coming off (brand new game, so it's a production issue).
@jakermaker9697
@jakermaker9697 2 жыл бұрын
Such an intriguing mix of games here: Quacks of Quedlinburg, Glen More II rondel, El Grande area control and dispersion, Coffee Roaster push your luck and other things to name a few. Saw this one in the FLGS and might have to keep an eye on it. Nice review Tom!
@gooddaysgames_1252
@gooddaysgames_1252 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the Seal of Excellence! Well deserved!!
@jmkaji
@jmkaji 2 жыл бұрын
I. Need. My. Copy. Can't wait for it to arrives. Thanks Tom, as always, great review.
@nobbynobbs8182
@nobbynobbs8182 2 жыл бұрын
I really liked the combat with the bag drawing mechanism
@JerreMuesli
@JerreMuesli Жыл бұрын
I'm very much fond of the Jabberwock! Fill your bag with Creatures and while in a war, when you add a creature to your active track not only does it get +1 str but also you get to place one extra supporter there making you last long in battles! Sweeet
@Mentat1231
@Mentat1231 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, will you be changing your BGG rating on this one from 7.5 to 8.5 (which is where the Week in Review had it after this video)?
@xCriticalStrikex
@xCriticalStrikex 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that noticed that a lead instrument was missing in the outro music? :P
@Valcurdra
@Valcurdra 2 жыл бұрын
This instantly went to my #1 game of all time. Brilliant game! I think it plays excellent at 2 and 5 as well
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
FIVE? I couldn't be paid to play this with five again! 2 was ok but it felt a little repetitive with the battles. Are we both fighting in this region, yes. And the next, yes...... And that..... And that.... Every region, every round.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBrokenMeeple Three and four is the sweet spot on this one I think... haven't played a 5 but it might be a bit overly chaotic and too hard to accomplish things at times :). Dunno!
@p6mkq
@p6mkq 6 ай бұрын
I rate this game 8/10. The bag drawing mechanism is awesome and super fun. The game is entertaining, balanced, rewards creative thinking and planning. I like playing as the Cheshire cat the most. He is pretty strong. I love fighting for the Red Castle, The Toggy forest and the Lake of Tears.
@1layoutss
@1layoutss Жыл бұрын
It just came back in stock at my local game store. Instantly bought it! Can't wait to get this to the table
@AleJimenezmusic
@AleJimenezmusic Жыл бұрын
Do they sell online?
@JodouTR
@JodouTR 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome, good to hear this one has replayability because that's always my go to concern with any game. I also love how Tom has gotten ever so slightly edgier with his tattoo making guest appearances at the cuff haha.
@joshuataggart
@joshuataggart 2 жыл бұрын
This is my biggest crowd funding regret! Especially after seeing this review. I didn't back due to the cost and I was backing other things. Will put this on my wishlist!
@rickrolledreviews186
@rickrolledreviews186 2 жыл бұрын
James Hudson just did a live stream where he announced that there are limited quantities of the Deluxe version of the game and the chip upgrade. I'd definitely jump on it soon while they still have stock of it.
@tedgovostis7351
@tedgovostis7351 2 жыл бұрын
I did a random back of this, kicking myself for not getting the upgraded tokens
@joshuataggart
@joshuataggart 2 жыл бұрын
@@rickrolledreviews186 thanks for the tip! Unfortunately the chip upgrade wasn't available when I looked yesterday. I will pick the retail edition at my FLGS.
@rickrolledreviews186
@rickrolledreviews186 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuataggart bummer! One other thing to look into is coin capsules. I've heard some players are picking those up as an alternative to having the premium chips.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
I REALLY hesitated at first...but I'm a fanatic about Wonderland, so I went ahead and pulled the trigger...worth every penny. Seriously...great game!
@JonTripp115
@JonTripp115 2 жыл бұрын
I have a heart attack every time the gavel comes down on plastic minis. 😱
@chuckm1961
@chuckm1961 2 жыл бұрын
Somehow, some way, by some miracle, I think they’re fine.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
In a way...it shows they're really quality components.
@manonfire4jc
@manonfire4jc 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@davidzenert6999
@davidzenert6999 2 жыл бұрын
Rest in pieces, Luigi.
@viziozio9490
@viziozio9490 Жыл бұрын
Mee too, does he really have to use all that strength?
@raygun6271
@raygun6271 2 жыл бұрын
Took a chance on the KS version but haven't had a chance to play as of yet. Really looking forward to it after this positive review...Phew😃
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
Just bought it! (Retail version) and will be ordering the coin capsules for the chits. After hearing even more rave reviews about it! :D
@Ltldogg69
@Ltldogg69 2 жыл бұрын
Amazingly fun game with beautiful artwork and components!
@ArnieHorta
@ArnieHorta 2 жыл бұрын
The game is definitely a looker. I hope to play next week.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
"slightly longer than it needs to be" - that's an understatement! 4 players exceeds 2-2.5 hours, that's way too long for a push your luck game. "Slightly longer" is like 10 minutes, not 45-60! I won't play this again at more than 3 players. This needed to be 90 minutes max and then I'd be loving it to bits. As it stands I like it, but that length, table space and the insanely long setup/takedown that wasn't mentioned kills a lot of the desire to bring it out for me despite its great aesthetics and having some fun mechanics in the mix. I just wanted it to be a little longer than Quacks at most, but when you're pulling chips out of a bag and relying on luck of the draw, 2+ hours is insane!
@tehbige73
@tehbige73 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like I have to be missing something here, but when I played the game I felt it was too long and fiddly for the actual payoff. Given all the positive buzz I would like to try it again and see if my opinion changes.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
First games or those with teaching will be very long. It's a good 20 minute teach at least and that new person is going to be asking questions also. By Act III I have noticed that the fiddliness jumps up with everyone's max power state at that time. Biggest concern though is the point spread. Regularly points are 50-60 points between last and first place. You can easily tell when you're screwed.
@wishmeheaven
@wishmeheaven 2 жыл бұрын
OK fine, it's a 3 player game at most (and the reason to describe it as if it for more was probably more commercial wise than designing wise), And you should have tried this at 5p only to know that it doesn't actually works at 5p (Such as Mark and Walker from SVWAG podcast whom have been through the same experience and came into the same conclusion), but - Does this game worth the hype and the buzz as a 3p game..?
@DeeArrFunk27
@DeeArrFunk27 2 жыл бұрын
In my experience playtesting, demoing, teaching, and playing this game with new crowds the ONLY time I've witnessed this game going over 2 hours (after first game) was with players who are heavily prone to Analysis Paralysis. If you play this game 2+ times, you'll get this under 120 minutes at 4 players.
@TheBlakeWhitaker
@TheBlakeWhitaker 2 жыл бұрын
After the initial teach there is no way the game should take 2.5 at 4 players again. The game should be very snappy and could easily be 1.5 if people aren't goofing around.
@grrfufulyus4768
@grrfufulyus4768 2 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me the size of the tokens? I just ordered a retail edition and I want to get some coin capsules
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the same..
@grrfufulyus4768
@grrfufulyus4768 2 жыл бұрын
@@trojan403 I ordered the 25mm. They fit exactly. I wont be able to get them out even if I wanted to
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
@@grrfufulyus4768 Awesome! Thanks, I just pulled the trigger on the game and purchased it 10 minutes ago! now I'm about to order the capsules :D
@grrfufulyus4768
@grrfufulyus4768 2 жыл бұрын
@@trojan403 enjoy my friend. It is a great game
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
@@grrfufulyus4768 I will, thanks!
@The_-_Futurist24
@The_-_Futurist24 2 жыл бұрын
Only disappointment is I didn't know about it until too late. Got a retail version, which is fine. But those premium chips and the minis would have been amazing.
@Muhd_Akmal
@Muhd_Akmal 2 жыл бұрын
The premium chips are sold separately from the deluxe and I like the vibrate art on the standees more.
@ajtame
@ajtame 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 'overproduction' actually helps this game, yes its huge that does too, it's grand, it's pretty and those are some of the reasons why I love it.
@axlphishm6943
@axlphishm6943 2 жыл бұрын
Im seeing the base game for like 60 bucks, but the delux is like 300 wtf, is that with the minis and chips,, does the base game only have the cardboard standies, seems expensive
@fraoulenia21
@fraoulenia21 2 жыл бұрын
Can 2 people play it or should be 3 and above?I am thinking of buying it,to play with husband,but I don't know if it is good just for two people...Anybody played it with just two;🤔🤔
@PRC533
@PRC533 2 жыл бұрын
My wife and I played at 2 and we had fun. There is a light AI element for the war phase that keeps the battles going even when both players aren't in a territory. The characters also have 2 player versions that are balanced for that player count.
@sniperserson1640
@sniperserson1640 8 ай бұрын
Tyyyyy ​@@PRC533
@garmit420
@garmit420 2 жыл бұрын
Are the rules easy to understand? and how long does setup and teardown take?
@tehbige73
@tehbige73 2 жыл бұрын
Rules are mostly straightforward but consist of lots of little things and the same can be said of set up. People can have trouble understanding combat and how supporters work in different zones. There is also a fair amount of symbology in the game that may take people a while to understand. In my experience the entire first round at least is mostly teaching before people start to really understand the mechanics of the game, so the initial teach takes a while. Set up is not quick as you have to shuffle 5 different decks, set up the individual player boards, set up the global chip stack, and set up several unique items that will change every round.
@TheBlakeWhitaker
@TheBlakeWhitaker 2 жыл бұрын
IMHO the rules are incredibly easy and simple. The game should be a super easy teach to experienced gamers. The setup and teardown is the only negative about this game I can come up with. It will take a while no doubt.
@TheBrokenMeeple
@TheBrokenMeeple 2 жыл бұрын
What Bige said. Are the rules complex? No. But is there a lot of them? Yes. And some can be fiddly to explain like the concept of busting and when you exhaust and get back chips. The rulebook is good for most part but it flips back and forth between overly explained (2 pages just for easy as hell leader abilities) and a wall of easy to misread text (various small rules)
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
I think the rules are a bit involved so ONE PERSON will have to invest time. The teach is pretty quick actually...one person has to invest, and the rest of the players will ask a question or two along the way but it's actually a quick teach.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBlakeWhitaker Look for SideGame LLC to come out with an "organization video", he's already planning it. He has great videos for organization of games to quickly setup and tear down games to maximize playtime!
@tedgovostis7351
@tedgovostis7351 2 жыл бұрын
Very glad I backed this, despite having no idea what it was going to be like (drinking + KS = trouble ;) ). Very much kicking myself for not getting the upgraded chips
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't get the upgraded chips either...what I did get is 25mm chip cases and put the chips in them. Perfect! Protects the chips, great premium feel! No longer fits in the chip tray (didn't fit well in it anyway) but they're truly excellent!
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
@@FemmeSensei So the 25mm is a snug fit? I was wondering what size might be needed!
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
@@trojan403 I would say "appropriate" fit :). Snap right in and work great. They present a storage dilemma but I found coin cases too that work so I'm all set now!
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
@@FemmeSensei Awesome, thank you!
@hamakakun
@hamakakun 2 жыл бұрын
Cant wait for my copy to arrive
@trojan403
@trojan403 2 жыл бұрын
How has it been? I ordered my copy tonight :D
@foxburrow1863
@foxburrow1863 2 жыл бұрын
Love that cat 😻 tie!!
@andrewandcubes
@andrewandcubes 2 жыл бұрын
But when will you be reviewing Dragonite?
@jdtyler7
@jdtyler7 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the standees have awesome color without requiring painting. Would probably prefer them.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
I need to find someone who paints miniatures! This game deserves painted minis!
@chiehlilee9224
@chiehlilee9224 2 жыл бұрын
I always loved anything that is Alice in Wonderland. Obviously when this is announced, I was intrigued. I watched several play through KZbin videos on how this game is played. Unfortunately it just didn’t speak to me. It is gorgeous though.
@rickrolledreviews186
@rickrolledreviews186 2 жыл бұрын
FYI - if you have TTS, you can always give it a play on there for free. Maybe it won't be your cup of tea (pardon the pun), but I found I enjoyed it more than I initially expected!
@slydog75
@slydog75 7 ай бұрын
Such a good game!
@kms8627
@kms8627 2 жыл бұрын
Is it like Blood rage?
@eselectrician
@eselectrician 2 жыл бұрын
Less Vikings, more tea.
@rickrolledreviews186
@rickrolledreviews186 2 жыл бұрын
It's been a long while since I played Blood Rage (and I only played a couple times), but if memory serves there are definitely some similar notes there.
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe like Blood Rage and Quacks had a love child that went mad?
@jean-nicolasgauthier5484
@jean-nicolasgauthier5484 2 жыл бұрын
Iggggggggg!!!! - my reaction after he smack the plastic insert
@TimGaastra
@TimGaastra 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like a game where the retail edition is just fine except maybe the chips
@bumfuzzel4512
@bumfuzzel4512 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. 170 dollars for the game with chips seems like a lot of money.
@tehbige73
@tehbige73 2 жыл бұрын
I think the deluxe chips makes a huge difference, everything else not so much.
@bumfuzzel4512
@bumfuzzel4512 2 жыл бұрын
@@tehbige73 Yeah I saw the deluxe version and it looks great. But I just can’t justified spending 170 dollars on one game.
@shawnokelley7419
@shawnokelley7419 2 жыл бұрын
You can just buy the 25mm plastic coin capsules online for $10
@bumfuzzel4512
@bumfuzzel4512 2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnokelley7419 Where at?
@alexbiersner3350
@alexbiersner3350 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of a different Wonderlands and thought Gearbox made a board game XD
@LEGnewTube
@LEGnewTube 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this game came out years ago?
@Cool_hand_luker
@Cool_hand_luker 2 жыл бұрын
Was it because Becca Scott and geek and sundry had a play through of it 2 years ago? Cause that game play video was the reason I backed it and love it!!! I’m so glad I got this game
@Jonathan-ei7vp
@Jonathan-ei7vp Жыл бұрын
🤑🤑🤑🤑 I'll skip this because of the exclusivity and the extreme price point
@wishmeheaven
@wishmeheaven 2 жыл бұрын
Oh... Excellent? That good? Interesting...
@TheBlakeWhitaker
@TheBlakeWhitaker 2 жыл бұрын
It is! Check reviews on BGG for confirmation. This game is amazing.
@wishmeheaven
@wishmeheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBlakeWhitaker In how many players it shines..?
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
@@wishmeheaven IMO: 3 to 4. Haven't played 5. Area control never really sings at 2 player...
@wishmeheaven
@wishmeheaven 2 жыл бұрын
@@FemmeSensei I thought I had enough with this Area Control genre due to negative interaction between players.. Is it both understandable and forgiveable to fight over majority on an area on game, or might feels uncomfortable, and even personal..?
@FemmeSensei
@FemmeSensei 2 жыл бұрын
@@wishmeheaven The brilliance of this game is YOU aren't taking out my troops, I am! I can stop any time and sometimes it even helps me to stop without winning! The Jabberwock has some player attack but for the most part it's not you vs me, it's my strength vs yours and the state of my bag and my willingness to press on vs yours!
@7H3541N7
@7H3541N7 2 жыл бұрын
Che-shuh, like wuss-tuh-shuh rather than che-shire
@jasonsmith1133
@jasonsmith1133 2 жыл бұрын
Talk about Convoluted. Yikes
@lystic9392
@lystic9392 Жыл бұрын
The way it appears or the way it plays?
@kichan3353
@kichan3353 2 жыл бұрын
Unnecessarily overly convoluted and tedious
@nerijusgecas7428
@nerijusgecas7428 2 жыл бұрын
Would you please stop blurring around. My eyes are crying
@minnwaiyan
@minnwaiyan 2 жыл бұрын
Ameritrash with Victory Points are so boring
@sevenman9672
@sevenman9672 2 жыл бұрын
Almost as boring as Eurotrash with Victory Points !
@SeerMagicX
@SeerMagicX 2 жыл бұрын
ONE WAY STREET! Stop making up words for something that's had a term for a decade.
@nbraun80
@nbraun80 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he didn't make up the word ratchet, but it's clear your temper is ratchetting up.
@LegoAssassin098
@LegoAssassin098 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why it causes you so much anger. Unnecessary.
@belg4mit
@belg4mit 2 жыл бұрын
It's clearly not a one-way street if Alice goes the opposite direction.
@shawnokelley7419
@shawnokelley7419 2 жыл бұрын
@@belg4mit haha! Good one
@SeerMagicX
@SeerMagicX 2 жыл бұрын
@@nbraun80 Yes they did, and they've been pushing it in every video with this mechanic.
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