Woodturning a Cedar Bowl with Epoxy: I GUESS 1300 RPM was TOO MUCH!!!

I turned a cedar bowl and added epoxy to fill some voids.
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[@stevedoggart2805]

I love the fact you use the resin as an accent , rather than a full blown feature. Some times I think resin gets used too liberally.

[@PFWoodturning]

Agreed! Thanks.

[@michaelmathews8974]

Yup…when you sped it up, it reminded me of the last Cedar bowl I attempted. Mine came off when hollowing too. I think Cedar is a bit weak and either requires a deeper Mortise or a Bowl Steady to help keep it on the chuck.

[@PFWoodturning]

I think so too!

[@CrossCutCreations]

Cedar always has great color in it and smells awesome when turning. I use a mortise when turning bowls because I'm too lazy and not confident enough to turn off the tennon at the end of turning.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!!! Yes, I know what you mean about having to reverse it at the end.

[@michaelmathews8974]

Great job recovering from the toss off the lathe! Love the color and the highlight with the Total Boat w/green! Love it!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you very much!

[@DavidAdamsen]

Very nice, Peggy! I'm glad that piece didn't break when it flew off the lathe, I am always worried about overtightening the chuck and cracking the softer woods. It's kinda nerve wracking, but it's so easy to miss that sweet spot where the chuck is secure without damaging the soft wood. Cheers!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@silverlady1118]

Really creative with the resin colour, finished bowl looks amazing, glad you were not hurt. Thank you for sharing

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks so much 😊

[@bobbyfowler7319]

I use either, all the feeling! I've had failures with both, me being too aggressive! Peace, be safe! Beach, NC. You, love the bowl!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@harveygagnard5654]

I absolutely love the look of cedar. One of these I’m going to do a bowl. Thank you.

[@PFWoodturning]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@tobiasblock2694]

Wow. That bowl looks awesome. The green resin fits perfectly to the red color of the wood. Great job Peggy. 😊👍

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks so much! 😊

[@Ricksp65]

Got my carter and sons bowl gouge last week I got the large handle very nice tool happy with it and I like the mortise seems to hold better with the type of Chuck I use.

[@PFWoodturning]

Great to hear!

[@Coyote48]

Peggy, I agree there are times when a mortise is appropriate and others when a tenon is. Gorgeous colors

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!!! ;-)

[@GregoryLease]

Definitely mortise whenever I can. The trick for me is getting the mortise deep enough to get a good grip without being overly deep and leaving a thick bottom in my mostly fairly small bowls (so far) of almost always dry wood. Beautiful bowl! I enjoy watching you turn.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! I appreciate it!

[@westhetrainman]

I love the look of cedar, the reds and pinks. Your bowl is beautiful. Learn something every time I watch your videos.

[@PFWoodturning]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@timmorris8932]

Had as standing dead cedar in my yard that I harvested and tried a bowl with. Mine came flying off too. Not pretty. Good to see I'm not the only one. :) Thanks for motivating me to pick that piece back up and finish it. New tools arriving on the 8th. Also, as a functioning Scientist, I can tell you that you'd be surprised how much of it is done "by feel". Even when we are measuring our feel.

[@PFWoodturning]

:-) thanks Tim!

[@fredoropesa4939]

Love the cedar wood I just picked up a lot of cedar logs love you Channel

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, Fred!

[@williamellis8993]

Beautiful bowl, Peggy. Everything you did worked well to bring it all together. Stay safe and well. Bill

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! You too!

[@robert488]

Great job Peggy! I use both mortise and tennon's, if I have resin that goes down to the bottom on a project I use a tennon so that instead of exerting pressure outwards as a mortise does which can cause the resin and wood to separate and coming apart, the tennon is more of a hold it together anchor in my opinion. On pieces that are solid wood on the bottom I do prefer a mortise. I had 1 bad experience where using a mortise on a resin and ash bowl, as I was getting the inside shaped and with roughly 1.5" of thickness in the bottom I started hearing it pop like rice crispies and then it flew off. Didn't ruin the project, had to CA glue and add some resin back where it had started to separate, I put it in the cole jaws, made a tenon, and finished with no hiccups. Learned my lesson 😉

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Yes, I've heard the rice crispies pop before too!

[@nathanclinard1470]

I love turning cedar. That teal color is a really nice accent to the natural red.

[@PFWoodturning]

I think so too!

[@chandarussell]

I really love the pinky red colour of cedar. It’s such a beautiful wood. Nice looking finished piece too.

[@PFWoodturning]

😎 thanks!

[@carolriley8472]

Lovely bowl...the cedar is gorgeous and I love the resin! I prefer a mortise because I really like it as a design feature.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you very much!

[@woodturningwithDave]

Beautifully done again love it

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 😊

[@markfishburn8284]

The bowl turned really nice, even with the little mishap. Thank you for sharing.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@golf2actual375]

Mortise because when you've finished hollowing, you're finished. You don't have to cut off the tenon.

[@PFWoodturning]

true!

[@larryslemp9698]

MJ Cross ..... Yes sir!! My way of thinking!!

[@gtdblair1623]

Great job!!! I love Cedar.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@earlledoux9824]

Beautiful bowl, nice colors. You scared the CRAP out of me. I hope you didn't get hurt. Be safe and stay healthy Earl Connecticut

[@PFWoodturning]

All good.... didn't even come near me...! Thankfully!

[@richardparker1699]

The seafoam color looks nice on the cedar. Good choice.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@missteeturns]

Wow that's an amazing piece of wood. Gorgeous bowl 😍

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you very much!

[@garythomas6866]

Hi Peggy glad you did not get hurt with your mishap. Another very pretty bowl like the seafoam. I use a morise most of the time. Cedar dose crack, but I found that when I use mineral to keep it a little moist seems to help, thanks for sharing.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks for the tip!

[@douggiltner2221]

I have turned a few cedar bowls, none that big yet, but I have come to the conclusion that a tendon seems to work better than a mortise with cedar. And that made a beautiful bowl, great job.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you

[@ldjtje]

Peggy, i have enjoyed this video very much, thank you. The result is also very beautiful and the colors go well together. Amazing work my friend. 🌷

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you so much!

[@ralphhorne6063]

Congratulations Ed, and that turning is beautiful. Cedar and green epoxy were meant to be.✌️

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 👍

[@mikec53]

Nice project. I've made plenty of pens with red cedar. Like you said, smells great at first but after a while it gets old fast. The epoxy resin color did not hurt the results!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you!

[@WoodturningByME]

Congrats Ed. I like that coloring a lot.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 😊

[@SteveC38]

Peggy, That Is Absolutely Beautiful! I Love It! Congratulations Ed... You Lucky Dog👍

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@haydnkett5345]

Stunning wood and a fantastic piece! Glad you weren't hurt when it jumped off. Well done

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks✌️

[@JOHNSmith-pn6fj]

That is a beautiful bowl. As a very new wood turner I have only used tenons as all of my projects have been too small for a mortise. I just bought a new set of jaws for my one way chuck so I can now do a dovetail mortise. I like the idea of a foot on the bottom of a bowl. At least on some bowls that just seems like a good fit for the character of the bowl. That is my opinion anyways.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, John! Happy turning!

[@ronsliwoski3348]

I prefer the MORTISE as i have had trouble with the tenon not being deep enough.. I love the red cedar with the green epoxy, great combination. I agree with you about cedar with the understanding that cedar can be random on the occurrence of bad areas that cause problems. You really did a nice job on your bowl!!

[@PFWoodturning]

✌😎

[@gavincoyle]

Beautiful!!!! Peggy this is absolutely gorgeous and as you say the epoxy is beautiful and such a contrast from the cedar grain but looks awesome 👍👍👍

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you so much!

[@richardagins871]

Wonderful choice of color to complement the cedar. Great job.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@philipvale1674]

Hi 👋 lovely job I do like the colours. Myself I'm just getting back in to turning, and I have been making my own tools and experimenting with tool shape, i.e. Hook and a ring sharpened on the inside. Phil from the Moulin in France, still in lockdown because of the virus, stay safe. 👍😘

[@PFWoodturning]

Have fun! Thanks!

[@waynemolnar8013]

Ahh my love hate relationship with cedar... loved the black & white slo mo. I try and use a mortise. I like being able to rechuck if I need to. Plus I just like the look. Another beautiful turn. Thanks for sharing.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, Wayne!😎

[@danielmukamal652]

You have a great talent and real eye for beauty. This is reflected in all your pieces. Loving watching your videos.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you so much!

[@brianbest3777]

Great bowl with beautiful combination of colours. I use both tenon and recess - had fails with both. Had a tenon shear off heavy bowl while hollowing. That needed a coffee break! I prefer recess with dovetail rim which works with my jaws. Brian

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing!

[@EdwinMedinaTornoyArte]

Que madera mas hermosa y espectacular

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you!

[@joelnickerson6739]

I love cedar. This bowl is awesome Peggy. Love the touch of color too. You did good my friend. ✌👍💙

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks so much 😊

[@jerrydempsey3490]

Mortise and tenon are both good depending on the situation and wood type. I typically use mortise though so I don't have to remove tenon later. Also I can reuse the mortise should I need to refinish the piece.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!!!! 👍🏻

[@timmills5873]

Lovely mix of colours! I have sometimes used crushed and powdered lapis lazuli in layers with CA to fill fissures and holes - nice depth of deep blue colour and it takes a good finish but all the gold flecks in the lapis disappear when it's crushed!

[@PFWoodturning]

Nice!

[@carolroffey2493]

Love the bowl. I have used cut up milk cartons glued on with hot melt glue to form a dam for resins

[@PFWoodturning]

Great idea!

[@steveauer413]

Bravo! Good save on the disconnect, happens to me to frequent to admit. Beautiful bowl

[@bendawson3666]

I’m curious about that black glue that you used, I don’t see it anywhere on the finished bowl. Where did it go? I’ve been turning for about a month now I’m really enjoying it there still a few things I need and that I don’t fully understand

[@PFWoodturning]

It filled some small cracks.

[@RatedRWoodturning]

I am new but i seem to lean towards a mortise but i do like how you can really crank how a chuck on a tenon

[@PFWoodturning]

True.

[@annetteackley9048]

I like the accent to the cedar bowl. It is like you said, not too much. Beautiful turning!!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks so much! 😊

[@donaldtrabeaux5235]

Absolutely gorgeous bowl Peggy you done a amazing job, take care my friend god bless and stay safe peace out ✌️✌️✌️✌️

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks! Peace out!

[@davesgirlie382princess9]

That is so gorgeous!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you!!!

[@jefflabrosse7044]

Love the look of cedar.....Great looking bowl...the sea foam dose set it off

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 👍

[@jcwoodworkingtraditions1390]

Nice job! Live the color!

[@PFWoodturning]

Glad you like it!

[@peterprime7336]

Definitely a mortise user although I have used a tenon sometimes. I turn mostly dry very hard woods like Mulga, Red gum and Ironwood.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks for sharing! Cheers!

[@mattd390]

Love the bowl! That sea green is a cool combination!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@DiemenDesign]

Whether I use a Mortise or Tenon depends on what I"m turning, how much material is available in the turning, and the shape. Usually I'll use a Mortise though. Lately, with the platters I've been doing I use a Mortise with a wide foot, then when reverse mounted, I turn away the foot so it's like a bead, and hides how it was mounted. Peggy, I noticed that piece was out of round before you mounted it in the chuck, so it was most likely out of balance before you started hollowing. When I have pieces like that, I use the tailstock, and hollow from about 1/3 to the outside working towards the centre, and about an inch deep at a time and establishing the thickness of the bowl, and keep working down that way until your are about 1/3 from the bottom. This not only helps keep the piece on the Lathe, it also helps with the balance as the weight is more centred, you can then start removing the centre part, you still have to be careful though as with any turning. I've not had a piece come off for a long time, or I've at least checked before one has, and also checked my sharpness of the tool in use as I've found as the tool gets dull one tends to push a little more which can upset the balance as well. Overall, I think you're doing a fantastic job, and I always look forward to your next projects.

[@DiemenDesign]

I just noticed at around 11:40, when your using the gouge down the wall of the bowl, you have the flute open (straight up), that's a very easy way to get a catch on the wing of the gouge. If you turn your tool rest so it's inside the bowl, then use the gouge from an almost closed position (90 degrees with the flute towards the head stock), and slowly open the flute as you work towards the bottom, you'll have a much safer cut and reduce the chances of getting a catch, plus your tool won't be over hanging the tool rest as much, and it will much easier to control the tool, and be easier on your body.

[@PFWoodturning]

Yeah, the out of round didn't help matters! Thanks for the comment!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks.

[@eranmizrahi7948]

turned out beautifully. to your question.. i rather mortise most of the time (trees). there are big advantages with using mortise like put it back on the 4 jaws in case of miscalculating\ changes we future might wish to do and another one is the saving time (and risk) of taking out the tenon. if i may, one big advice that i heard recently and truly saved for me a lot of time and got better result is: (i dont remember the precise way it was said but..) you should rather one more pass in order to get better result and dealing with turning marks on the wood. that saves a lot of time.. and send paper. looking forward for some more videos. enjoy safe turnings.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, Eran!

[@Aliceballard59]

Beautiful!!!!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you!!

[@busterwest1644]

Not a wood Turner worth the name hasn't had this experience You weren't hurt and finished a great bowl..well done peggy

[@PFWoodturning]

Ha! Very true!!! Thanks much!

[@DJ_Guitars]

Beautiful! The colour choice really suits the cedar. Such a shame we struggle to get red cedar over here! Stay safe

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you!

[@michaeldunn5280]

Congratulations Ed. And this new bowl comprised of cedar and epoxy is beautiful Penny. Great color combo

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks a bunch!

[@richarddecker8841]

Thanks for leaving in the drop off the chuck, makes the rest of us feel normal. Beautiful work.

[@PFWoodturning]

Right?! It hasn’t happened to me in a long time, just goes to show you that you always gotta be on your toes! 😎

[@johndeavers2904]

You do beautiful work . Thank you for sharing

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@trikermansbike]

Hi that’s great looking bowl 🍲 thanks for the video.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks for watching!

[@judyrichardson5009]

I love this bowl. I basically only have cedar to work with so I do a lot of cedar. I do prefer a mortise, had to many tenons break off. I have not really used resin, to poor for that. But that seafoam is gorgeous in that.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, Judy!

[@keithkimsten5111]

I've watched your using the ack's pastes and I decided to order some to try. I did the triple kit order as I have about 40 small to medium bowls to make for food use. So that should give the product a good testing. LOL. Great video and bowl as I have come to expect from you. Thanks.

[@PFWoodturning]

Wonderful!

[@lynngatlin4469]

Looks great good job

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@irikweisberg4689]

Amazing work!

[@PFWoodturning]

😎

[@wethreetums]

Pretty Bowl. Colored resin is spot on

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@bobedwards7592]

very enjoyable video and glad you weren't hurt by the bowl coming off the lathe. I was surprised you did the epoxy while the bowl was on the lathe! That stuff has a mind of its own and would head into any gaps into the gears on the lathe. However, a very nice end result and the green looks wonderful with the wood colours

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 👍

[@thomasthompson6799]

Mortise is usually stronger but cracks in the material can sometimes preclude that. Beautiful bowl turned with precision and skill then you added drama. Everything I needed to see on a rainy day. Thanks for sharing.

[@PFWoodturning]

Ha! Thanks

[@MitchX]

Glad you're ok PF. Tennons just about all the time for me as long as the wood's strong and stable enough.

[@PFWoodturning]

:-) thanks.

[@davidcharleson5241]

Love the colour of that bowl...

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks!

[@jeffbunjes3362]

BEAUTIFUL...I have a question...in a recently watched video on how not to get catches when turning the inside of a bowl they mentioned not to cut with the left side of the gouge when entering the cut....however it looks as if u do so is that not the case...thanks...jeff....do u take call to answer questions

[@PFWoodturning]

I haven't seen that particular video, but I would agree that it isn't the best way to do it and yes, it probably increases the risk of catches. I don't usually do it that way, however, it did seem to be cutting well in this particular project.

[@alexandredominguesrollo2256]

Afffff. Ki coisa linda.Estupenda a cor desta madeira!!! Só Deus pra fazer isso...e a Kim para dar a forma perfeita. Very Nice.....

[@PFWoodturning]

Muito obrigado!

[@fretless05]

Do you think the unevenness of the rim had anything to do with the bowl flying off the chuck? That little bit of difference can effect balance. Oh, and I'v ebeen meaning to ask, what is the cut of the sanding sealer you buy? I get that you cut it a little, but it doesn't mean much to me since I don't know where it started.

[@PFWoodturning]

Hi there. Yes, I do think that unevenness had something to do with it for sure. As far as the sanding sealer, I use the Zinnssers brand (yellow can) and use denatured alcohol (70/30).

[@daveporter2555]

Looks great. Have a good 1.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks 👍

[@JamesSmith-ji6yx]

I prefer a mortis. It just looks cleaner to me, with or without a foot. Very nice bowl, love the cedar and the epoxy.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks very much 😎

[@davidwells1508]

Am a newbie but I prefer a mortice. I know its a how long is a piece of string question but how long did it take you to sand the outside of the bowl. Its gorgeous by the way and thank you for sharing the video.

[@PFWoodturning]

I didn't keep track, but sanding properly takes a long time. I would guess it took me about 45 minutes.

[@kennethramseysr.7613]

Beautiful wood!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@wandapiedra8973]

Gorgeous piece.✌️❤️

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@montyhatch9142]

Peggy, I choose a mortise or tenon based on the integrity of the wood I am chucking. I enjoy using a mortise so rechucking is easy at any time, but if the wood is punky or has cracks I find that the compression of the wood with a tenon is a safer choice. A tenon is great if at a later date the turning needs to be refinished or polished.

[@montyhatch9142]

Sorry, I meant that a mortise is great to refinish or polish at a later date

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks for watching!

[@PFWoodturning]

:-)

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks.

[@gilvb51]

Beautiful Peggy!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! 😊

[@jamesjudd2338]

Nice work!

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@georgepauselli769]

Wow I thought it was all over when the bowl came off good recuvery brilliant bowl be safe x

[@PFWoodturning]

ha! Thanks!

[@mpace58]

I was noticing once you turned the bowl it appeared to be slightly off of center. I watched again and there is noticeable wobble. When you put in the chuck again it was running perfectly smooth. Really gorgeous bowl.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, Mark!

[@dirtycurty1202]

I use a lot of cedar and what a gorgeous bowl with the green color and the black lines!!!!!!! I can't help with tenon/mortise question because I just recently bought a quality chuck that has a dovetail on the outside of the jaws to grip for a mortise so I'm following this also for insight. Ed, I'm jealous of you!!!!!!!!!!! If you get tired of looking at your prize you can send it to me, I will be GLAD to take it!!!!!

[@PFWoodturning]

Ha! Thanks!

[@EastTexasRanching]

I do not do wood carving or turning, but from what i have seen, a tenon can 'break loose' while the bowl is being turned. I saw that with a bowl where the tenon had a bit of bark in it, and broke completely off during turning. A mortise seems more stable to me, though I have seen a couple of projects fly off during turning with a mortise as well. Like in this video for instance. Just an observation.

[@PFWoodturning]

Good points. Thanks!

[@joesheble5458]

I haven't been turning long, a little over a year thus far, but I've started to use more and more recesses/mortise as opposed to tenons, especially for bowls. Personally, I think the recess looks better on the bottom as a foot as opposed to just a plain bottom, plus I have the hardest time parting off a tenon straight, with a nice clean, flat bottom. To be truthful, I have an issue with getting the bottom flat even with a recess, but to me and my wife, the look of the mortise is just better for us.

[@PFWoodturning]

Yeah, makes sense! Thanks for watching!!

[@robohippy]

The argument I always hear about recess or tenon, is that one works better than the other. My opinion is that they both work equally well IF they are properly made. I use a recess. I am curious about why it cane off. Looks like there is a small chip and scar on the bottom after it came off. Also noticed that the bowl was running a lot truer after you remounted it. You may be correct about it not being all the way seated on your chuck. Cedar is a bit soft and I expected to see a major wood failure on the recess. That can happen.... Been there, done that, more than once....

[@PFWoodturning]

Yeah, that's my best guess, it wasn't seated properly in the recess. Live n learn....

[@MikeandTracker]

Very nice! Glad you weren’t harmed.

[@PFWoodturning]

😎

[@davidausten9456]

A really nice piece beautiful colour pattern and grain BLOODY GOOD RECOVERY pit about all the shakes in the blank to start with but you did a very nice job just a bit over enthusiastic with the speed it it will still look absolutely beautiful sitting in the right place keep up the good safe health practises peace out

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks, David! Peace out!

[@acmsnooks20]

Do you not have to use the pressure pot will you use resin

[@PFWoodturning]

Depends on the type of resin and what you're trying to achieve.

[@clintmyrick4128]

I use mortise. Probably 3 reasons: Always seems more secure than tenon, seems to waste less wood on bowl bottom, and related to that, it's easier for me to smooth the edges and finish the bottom faster.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks! All very good reasons....

[@topwood1134]

you are a very brave man

[@PFWoodturning]

Woman, though!

[@johngriffiths4874]

Hi Peggy, I have had mishaps with both tenons and mortises. Lucky you were out of the line of fire when it came loose. But cedar is a weak wood and mountings will fail. (The dust is pretty darn toxic too.) That said, I love cedar. The late Dale Nish developed a rule for bowl turning speed. Diameter in inches times RPM should not exceed 6,000. There is more to it then that, but that is a conservative figure, and I believe, safe. With bowls I get nice results with 600 to 850 RPM. Beautiful outcome.

[@PFWoodturning]

Thanks much!

[@carolelockhart6037]

Beautiful piece

[@PFWoodturning]

Thank you very much!