Contractual Invincibility | Castle Super Beast 277 Clip

[@In-The-Zone]

Danny Trejo is the shit. The fact that Machete is canonically in Spy Kids as fucking Machete, and the main characters' uncle is fucking wild and I love it!

[@thunderphoenix440]

And Spy Kids was *way* before the Machete movie came out! Before Grindhouse, even!

[@Confussed-Oddish]

Badass action man who also loves his family.

[@PerpetualDaydreamer]

Danny Trejo continues to unintentionally clown on most other action stars simply by not having a massive ego.

[@TheRogueWolf]

In 2019, Trejo saw a traffic accident happen in front of him, where an SUV was hit and rolled over. He and a nearby woman climbed into the SUV to get a special-needs baby out of the wreck. Absolute class act.

[@damngamgee3739]

​@@TheRogueWolf Man, that one scene in whatever Halloween movie where Danny Trejo gets murdered is so sad. Little Mikey is a little bitch for that one

[@ohmygoditisspider7953]

@@TheRogueWolf he's a big deal in narcotics anonymous. I respect that and I didn't even use the program to get clean.

[@leeverguy]

​@@TheRogueWolf God imagine having that as a backstory? The kid is destined for great things.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

He's a good guy.

[@Kaarl_Mills]

Additional storytime regarding Danny Trejo: He was a repeat offender, mostly selling drugs, and he remembered the last thing the judge said to him as he handed out his final prison sentence: "Again? Next time youre here give me a life sentence" and that was the wake up call that he needed to clean up his life and do something else. Quits drugs while hes in the slammer, once hes out becomes becomes a life coach to help other people kick their addictions. One of his clients though was an actor and because there was coke on the set where he was filming, he called Danny in a panic worried he was about to relapse. Danny drives down there and the director notices him: Obviously, as a Mexican man who grew up in East LA whos been in prison multiple times, he carries himself in a certain way. Director sees all of this, does that little hand gesture where your fingers make a rectangle like youre looking through a camera lens, Danny sees this and thinks to himself "Damn, what gang does this gringo ride with?" and after that Danny gets offered a part of an extra and thats how his acting career started

[@In-The-Zone]

Danny walks in menacingly "You got drugs on this set!!!" Producers: "y-yeah, here have some hombre" Danny: "Get that shit out of here before I kill you" Producers: *Surprised Pikachu face*

[@The5lacker]

The mental image of a gang rocking the Director's Window gang sign brings me such joy.

[@IzzaLurks]

The "early life" section of Danny's wikipedia page is one of the wildest things I've read recently, the fact he didn't end up dead in a ditch by the age of 20 and instead turned his life around so amazingly is nothing short of a miracle.

[@cannibaletiquette5038]

really? I had read in a stones interview released a couple years before that desperado sequal he was still hardcore and on heroin right until the middle of his last stretch, then after a rather brutal gang fight he gets solitary, couple months, realizes he's prolly gonna die in prison, decides then to never go back, just start singing musicals and acting out scenes while trying to kick the junk and the rest is apparently history. not debunking what your saying. embellishment is basically an actors resume. just wondering if you heard any of that?

[@FlCl3000]

The hand camera rectangles as gang signs is hilarious to me God bless Danny Trejo

[@CasualCoreK]

Please god, let me feel half the joy Woolie does when he discovers a new form of racism.

[@stripedgillette3580]

It seriously seems to be something that keeps him young & full of energy. Almost literally the "His hopes and dreams: restored" meme.

[@1wayroad935]

You can almost see the buff aura around him when it happens.

[@jpbo98]

It’s also a never ending source!

[@AgentOracle]

I'm personally shocked that Woolie didn't notice the Common Soldier's Helm description in Shadow of the Erdtree alludes to blackface. Mesmer's soldiers have soot covered faces. How did he not catch that!

[@newliferule]

woolie is tentatively workshopping the optics of introducing his next favorite JRPG as a rice game

[@jsheeds]

Let's not forget that the best action movies of the past decade, the John Wick franchise, does in fact have Keanu Reeves get banged up pretty bad even as he's mowing down motherfuckers and it's awesome.

[@thunderphoenix440]

The James Bond movies had lots of scenes like that, hell he get beat in the nuts over and over in Casino Royale. And there was a whole MCU movie which had the theme "The Avengers lose" and it was the best one.

[@TOGYS7]

it was getting pretty outlandish by the end of the third and throughout the fourth

[@Stormfin]

That was actually my biggest problem with Rey in Star Wars. Luke lost a hand, Anakin lost a hand, Rey should have lost a hand. If Rey actually took a hit in a fight, her reception literally would have been a lot better.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@StormfinI mean she does get tortured by Snoke and dies in Rise of Skywalker, it’s just that she never has any real crushing moment of total defeat like Luke or other Jedi did.

[@vcom741]

​@thunderphoenix440 Daniel Craig is just a guy who really loves the roles he is in. I don't think he has ego. Dude's 2 famous roles are James Bond and a humble southern detective.

[@mastanvx]

Finally, everyone can smell what The Rock is cooking. And the response is a resounding "Get him out of the kitchen."

[@parker469a]

That kinda odd he must have put that in the contract after Walking Tall or maybe since he's nearly crippled in that movie when he's not really "in a fight" that it doesn't count.

[@dodiswatchbobobo]

He’s got a lot of trauma from being a wrestling heel as a young’un. He just refuses to be seen as anything but a babyface, and it’s starting to get obvious.

[@GojiEm]

​@@dodiswatchbobobo Rock recently returned for the build up to WrestleMania this year and it started out as Rock taking the spot of Cody Rhodes and interrupting a MULTI YEAR story of how Cody was gonna overthrow the evil Roman Reigns and throwing away all that storyline build-up for the Rock to be the saviour of WWE. Cody obviously was pissed and Triple H thankfully somehow convinced Rock to turn evil and become the horrible bad guy literally beating Cody into a bloody pulp with a weight belt that had Cody's mother's name on it. But wait there's more! During the WWE Hall of Fame, Muhammad Ali's widow gifted Rock with "The People's Championship" belt, a custom belt for Rock to have just so he wouldn't be sad that he can't have a real world title. Then on the Raw after WrestleMania, Rock just congratulated Cody for becoming champion and left on a high note, because he couldn't just leave as a bad guy. Oh, did I mention that he won a tag match against Cody on the first night (WrestleMania is now 2 weekend nights). Between this and the whole Black Adam controversy... HUGE midlife crisis

[@ianbyrne465]

@@GojiEmto be fair, the first night Wrestlemania tag win was acceptable. The whole stipulation was that Roman + Rock’s faction, the Bloodline, were fighting Cody and his allies. If Cody’s team won the match, then they would fight his title match on night two under normal rules and the Bloodline wouldn’t be able to interfere (how Cosy lost his last match against Roman) but if Bloodline wins the tag match, then the title match the next night is fought under “Bloodline rules” (basically, we can have our team come down and attack you at any moment and there’s nothing you can do about it.) It ended up being a Bloodline win since that made for higher stakes and a more interesting WM title match. Rock’s behavior up to that point was still insane, but that win I can let slide

[@GojiEm]

@@ianbyrne465 true, it still made sense for the storyline. The extra stakes to the title match really added a lot to Cody's victory.

[@alanguillermo3145]

For as much as Arnold is a meme and kind of a goofball, even he understood that heroes need to be beaten down to get back up. In T2 he plays a goddamn robot and he gets his ass handed to him, dies, then comes back, kills the bad guy, then dies again. And it's a beloved classic.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Not to mention his other two biggest roles Dutch and Conan got the shit kicked out of them too.

[@hosvet_animation]

Arnold was always willing to get made fun of in his own movies, knew how to take a joke.

[@Onefromthedarkness]

I think also tend to forget that Arnold does NOT beat the predator one on one. He has to trick him to win cause he is too tough.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@OnefromthedarknessThen next film Danny Glover can take the Predator one one one. And people moan about the Xenomorph less scary in Aliens.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

“Contemplate this on the tree of Woe. Crucify him.”

[@Muninnnr]

Jackie Chan is in some of the best action movies of all time, and they are great BECAUSE he's getting hurt while beating people up. Every fight is tense and engaging because he's scraping by by the skin of his teeth and by the end of it he's just as surprised that he managed to get through the fight as we are.

[@graffitisamurai]

Yeah, his heroes are so affable that you think of him as an everyman and underdog...even as he's slinging around a ladder like a weapon

[@malikoniousjoe]

What’s great to me is that he almost never gets his hands on a real weapon. The struggle feels very real when he’s constantly just grasping at every loose rock or stick to throw at some villain with a knife or gun. Jackie runs Deprived as his class in every game

[@Kaarl_Mills]

@@malikoniousjoe "That's Rad!" *Kiryu Kazuma after watching Jackie Chan win a fight by beating someone up with a bicycle*

[@ApexGale]

Some people just don't understand why underdogs are loved, and that characters struggling makes you want to root for them

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s why Guts is so loved.

[@Roronoa2zoro]

The Rock would want to play Saitama and not understand that the joke is on him 90% of the time. While a character like Mumen Rider captured everyone's hearts with like a five minute scene.

[@WTFisTingispingis]

If John Wick had to deal with Keanu's ego that he is not allowed to lose fights, those movies would've SUCKED.

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

The first John Wick would have been 10 minutes long and ended with Iosef and all his friends getting shot in the head when they broke into John's house.

[@derpstick5467]

You could still argue those movies sucked the further they went on for, if you dislike how crazier and crazier they got. Or I guess you could be like Adam from YMS and think the first 3 are just average and and only the 4th is above average. Anyways Reeves doesn’t have that kind of ego right?

[@hikikomoron]

​@@derpstick5467 say what you want about the quality of those films as they went on, but John Wick absolutely does get his shit rocked. Not only is he constantly getting hit by cars, getting stabbed, punched, and shot at, literally by the end of the third movie he's in a dumpster, kinda like what Pat said, but for real. Do I even need to mention the staircase scene in 4?

[@derpstick5467]

@@hikikomoron staircase scene was insane and yeah i enjoy those movies a lot, lol my mom does too, but by the 4th one she was like “how can he survive all of this?” Her suspension of disbelief was probably breaking at that point.

[@malikoniousjoe]

@@derpstick5467I really like those movies, repitition aside, and I think the one thing the movies needed to repair that suspension would have been more scenes of someone watching him get hit by his fortieth car, saying “Yep, that’s definitely the end of Wick.” to watch him stand back up and throw his gun away like “fuck that, I’m out.” The only real issue is that every other assassin seems too chill about watching Wick survive everything he goes through. I’d see him get back up off the staircase scene and just call it quits there, nobody on Earth gets paid enough to fight an immortal zombie of a man

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

clint eastwood getting the shit beat out of him is the same thing that makes John Wick so fucking good. Indiana Jones is another good example of that.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Still, John Wick and Eastwood Cowboy characters are still the “invincible badass” mold that gets overused.

[@TheSpookiestSkeleton]

@@li-limandragon9287 Yeah but their getting whupped helps to counteract their plot life support.

[@ericbright1881]

In the "Man With No Name" trilogy of movies, Clint Eastwoods characters have names. Fistful he's named Joe, Few Dollars More he's Monco, Good Bad Ugly he's Blondie.

[@key099able]

Joe Monco Blondie would be a fun full name for said character.

[@HarukoJisan]

Those are all names given to the character by other characters due to the fact that Clint Eastwood never introduces himself to anyone in the trilogy

[@residentfan1521]

They’re nicknames

[@kylecabrera142]

They're also not a trilogy. They just kinda got lumped together due to the sharing of clint eastwood as a mysterious stranger. They're all different completely unrelated films.

[@residentfan1521]

@@kylecabrera142 a mysterious stranger who conveniently wears the same clothes

[@GoldLight73]

I now raise a petition to reclassify JoJo Part 1 as a “Takoyaki Vampire Thriller.”

[@sovietcanuckistanian]

My Hero Acadamia is sushi superheroes

[@Carlos-Mora]

Sushi Hammer Horror

[@crimsonECH1DNA]

Makes me think about how Die Hard is one of the all time great action movies and Bruce Willis gets his shit rocked for majority of the movie.

[@Brucifer2]

The more I learn about Danny Trejo, the more I love him.

[@FernandoBenitez-ht7uq]

Worst case of it is probably Steven Seagal, dude has to slap the air and make every enemy fall without breaking a sweat.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

That time Mike Tyson and him “fought” each other in a movie, but it was just them cut into footage of their doubles pretending to fight very....poorly. The legendary ear flick scene.

[@verymelonman12]

I love how the last year or so The Rock managed to turn himself into a clown in the eyes of the movie going audience.

[@hosvet_animation]

I feel like 20 years of bad movies is starting to catch up to him.

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

Is it possible we’ll witness the rock sink to Steven Seagal levels one day? Just sitting in a chair?

[@hosvet_animation]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat No he's more of a Tom Cruise where the ego drives him too hard to be liked.

[@TigoODonnell]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat No, because he can just wrestle and every wrestling fan will fall in love with him.

[@RandgrisAlmark]

"My OC is so cool you can't even beat him up." - Guys in Hollywood, apparently

[@li-limandragon9287]

The Rock literally wanted to have his character beat Superman and refused to be in Shazam 2 because he’d have to lose.

[@FuryXDMGS]

Every Dwayne Johnson character is secretly married to either Amy Rose or princess Celestia

[@Ehh.....]

"Nobody" starring Bob Odenkirk was actually pretty good as far as equally balanced damage, he is in rough shape after a lot of his fighting.

[@adamruiz3683]

Hell, I remember thinking he came off *worse* than the other guys after a lot of those fights.

[@fable23]

My favorite story about the whole "the Rock can't lose" thing is that he was in a Steven Seagal movie where his character _does_ lose a fight, but his character is mysteriously hard to see clearly in the last part of the fight, so the running theory is that they filmed half the scene with the Rock, let him go home thinking he won, and then filmed the rest with a double, and the Rock never found out about it because _it's a fucking Steven Seagal movie,_ who the fuck watches those?

[@thewraithwriter22]

Really? Which movie?

[@ultimamage3]

@@thewraithwriter22 He made it up. The Rock has never been in a Steven Seagal movie. (Steve Austin has, though.) There IS a scene in China Salesman where *Mike Tyson* fights Steven Seagal and THAT movie is the one where people theorize that they let Seagal walk off the set thinking he won, then they filmed the rest with a double who gets his ass beat. Tyson and Seagal clearly filmed their parts separately if you watch how the scene goes.

[@fable23]

@@ultimamage3 oh yeah, that was Seagal, you're right, I got the wires crossed because they've both got that clause. A movie could not handle the combined egos of Stevey Seagull and Dwayne "The Cock" Johnson. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Mr. Johnson follow a similar career/life trajectory to old SS though

[@Serahpin]

I thought this was a joke about how the Rock wouldn't watch a Steven Segal movie even if he starred in it, because nobody watches Steven Segal movies.

[@thelastchannelonyoutube]

This makes the whole "Black Adam" marketing campaign even funnier. Dude was cast as a villain and he used his star power to convince Warner Bros to make the character to a supercool antihero type just because he has the same adverse reaction to playing a losing character as a child has to loosing a board game.

[@Huntereeno]

The Rock somehow became more fake after leaving wrestling, incredible

[@darthekul1]

Ud think having a career where guys get together and kick each others ass as play acting in front of a large crowd , and even the front men still get beat up if they don't lose , the rock thinks he's too good to live up to standards of professional athletes he's worked with his whole life cause he thinks he's the main character and final boss even his wrestling comeback was nothing but ego , the dude is a human brand who switches political parties every 4 years and made a big deal about dropping biden sponsorship so he could use the interview to shill his liquor, the rock is the anti ryan Reynolds, ryan is also a human brand but he's humble enough with a great wife who love to make fun of each other and he also plays the same person in every movie because he literally just is deadpool while the rock only wanted to be black adam cause he can beat superman up

[@bigbrowski410]

The best thing about Rock’s absolute failure because of his ego was it made him hard lock in for his latest wrestling run and he easily turned into the best thing going in all of wrestling for a bit. That and he’s become another Hulk Hogan esq “I wrestled 400 days a year brother” type liar which is very funny.

[@asdf852asdf]

Jason Statham have been eating shit, getting tortured and getting violently murdered his whole career so imo he's the only who gets to have that clause, Crank alone gives him the right.

[@TRMarcinek]

If he had that clause for that movie for the purpose to spite the Rock, that would be hilarious.

[@YZaiCreates]

@@TRMarcinek it does seem to be a thing where the rock started it, so everyone else is like, "well i'm not gonna get beaten up by a guy who god modes his RP, so i'll have that contract too!

[@LinkinMark1994]

Makes me wonder why Sean Bean doesn’t have the clause 😂

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@LinkinMark1994Because if he dies in enough movies he gets to live forever.

[@sizablekoala6879]

FFX is my favorite Sushi RPG.

[@graffitisamurai]

Didn't know we had a staff writer for X-Play in the comment section! /s

[@RunningBlade2184]

I think one of the more shocking things about Danny Trejo is that he’s 80 FUCKING YEARS OLD

[@jamescollinge5043]

Fun fact: I once worked with a guy who was adamant that those movies are called spaghetti westerns because "the stories are so complex and twisting".

[@johnrivers3813]

Was this before or after google?

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

Ngl the first time I ever heard it I was like 12 and just went "wow they're THAT gorey?!"

[@deltaprime3509]

I watched a documentary the movies that made us about die hard and it was interesting When they were trying to find a lead actor most people including Arnold and Stallone thought main character was a wimp because he get hurt and run away to fight again, they talked to Bruce about the roll and he was known as comedy star and people made fun that he was in action movie, guess those people were wrong and it gives me appreciation of that movie learning this stuff

[@ceriani1234]

cant wait for Woolie to see Danny Trejo piss his pants when he gets to yakuza 8 in 10 years

[@thewraithwriter22]

*20 years

[@victorwagner2423]

Yeah, the retirement home story line from 7 will be hitting close to home when he plays it from a retirement home.

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

THAT'S why they're called Spaghetti Westerns??!?

[@adamriley9241]

A majority were filmed in Italy too, hence the Italian actors.

[@NavyPheonix]

@@adamriley9241 Which is why movies like GBU have fairly poor lip syncing. I think the whole movie's audio was redubbed.

[@Dracobyte]

Also Italian compositors Like Ennio Morriccone.

[@teecee1827]

​@@adamriley9241and in Spain

[@davose8756]

I’m still smiling thinking of Danny Trejo promoting mtg arena

[@ice_queen9]

my favourite fight scene ever is from Deadly Fight In Hiroshima when one gang of yakuza (led by Sonny Chiba) attacks another gang of yakuza in a house and it's just people yelling and flailing around and mostly failing to even hit each other in all the confusion. and it goes on for a whiiile. it's so awesome, like the rest of that movie

[@LetterNumber]

Rambo in MK11 is a big example of this, although he can lose a physical fight, he never loses a verbal one In pre match dialogue, while most of the characters, including guests like Arnold, receive insults from their intelligence, to their looks, to their smell, Rambo never gets insulted, not even from smart mouth badasses like Spawn. The worst insult he receives is being called "human". Many characters literally complement Rambo's fighting prowess, in ways they never do to other characters who are magnitudes stronger and more skilled than Rambo

[@MrBda241]

I think Spawn tells Rambo that he'll be the next Hellspawn whether he likes it or not, and being chosen as a Hellspawn is in no way an honor to have. Basically, to Spawn, he's just another version of himself.

[@LinkinMark1994]

In fact the worst reply he has is just “Fuck!” Like when the terminator tells him judgment day is inevitable or some shit

[@thedarkderp2520]

I doubt sly had anything to do with the script he probably just said his lines and left

[@Gunblazer42]

@@thedarkderp2520 It's arguable he might have had some influence. Stallone has screenwriter credits in all of the Rambo movies, and helped write the story for all of them except First Blood Part 2. If there's any movie series that would be "his", it would be Rambo. I have a feeling he wrote the Arcade ending at the very least.

[@rickdaniel7341]

I like that Rambo gains control of Kronika’s powers and uses them to give himself a peaceful life and leave it at that. He initially thought to “undo all of the evils of history” but thought against it because he’d be no better than the people who sent young men like him to pointlessly kill and die in Vietnam.

[@jimbob1862]

Statham i dont mind having the clause generally, but thats because i know he can also use it to do wild shit I love like Crank. The Rock on the other hand is the most egregious example because he just adds nothing new or interesting to any of his roles. Its just The Rock over and over again. Statham and Diesel for examples at the very least have attempted weirder shit with the clause.

[@JOfJaZ]

Also I can probably believe Statham and Diesel's contracts are more negotiable.

[@thedarkderp2520]

Steven Segal is arguably worse

[@cylondorado4582]

That’s always the best part when the hero loses. You’re like, Oh Snap, this new bad guy must be like real strong.

[@miguelangelucsanchez183]

This type of contracts are so weird because it never makes the actor look good but the weirdest one for me has to be the one Toho has for Godzilla

[@WantSomeWhiskey818]

What does that one entail?

[@MapleFried]

Godzilla isn't allowed to die unless replaced by another Godzilla iirc

[@miguelangelucsanchez183]

@@WantSomeWhiskey818Godzilla can’t eat people or lose if you read comics and wonder why Superman lost against Goji in that Godzilla crossover despite him way more powerful than Goji this is why

[@HeroToxiko]

Nah that contract is just for movies the people writing Zilla comics just love zilla​@@miguelangelucsanchez183

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@miguelangelucsanchez183Ehh I can buy Goji overpowering Supes if decades ago he csn explicitly match Thor. The lizard is just built different. in his own comics he goes to hell and defeats Satan.

[@shingen012]

I think some actors have forgotten that humongous triumphs look all the greater and more inspiring when they come after catastrophic losses. If it looks like the hero was never had to even put in any real effort, then were there ever any real stakes?

[@An_Inconvenience]

Rise then fall then rise again is one of the oldest and most satisfying story formats for a reason.

[@Neku0TWEWY]

They didn't mention Vin diesel and the rock having representatives on site counting punches so it's even during their fight scene

[@ShotgunGabe]

You know the most fun ive had with the rock is when he does let his character beat up and be made fun of. Remember that scene where he jumps off a building with samuel jackson and died? Cant stop laughing at it eveeytime i see it. Or that time he fought karl urban in that doom movie, that one is pretty bad ass yoo

[@Gunblazer42]

The Rundown was a fun movie. He lets himself get beat up a number of times there. At some point that whole thing changed, I feel like it was the year before he was in Fast and Furious.

[@ghastlyghifin4029]

IIRC Danny Trejo has almost as much on screen character deaths as Sean Penn.

[@LinkinMark1994]

Don’t you mean Sean Bean? Or does Sean Penn also die a lot?

[@ghastlyghifin4029]

@@LinkinMark1994 I meant Sean Bean, yes

[@hosvet_animation]

John Hurt has a lot as well.

[@sovietcanuckistanian]

I will now start calling RWBY and the like "Hamburger Anime"

[@TheLastSkyfarer]

Yeah the Rock's ego caused alot of people to turn on him in WWE recently. He swooped in and tried to take Cody's place in the main event of Wrestlemania. Fans rebelled en mass and Rock had to eat crow and turn heel. But critically he refused to eat a pin and claimed afterwards that Cody beating Roman was his idea. The internet clowned on him for claiming that

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

Homie worked himself into a shoot, leaning too hard into the Hollywood Rock gimmick

[@TheLastSkyfarer]

It worked out in the end and I even enjoyed Rock's work once he leaned into being an asshole. But it's clear Wrestlemania was so good in spite of and not because of him

[@oldschooler1464]

On the note of action movie protags getting the absolute shit kicked out of them - and highly appropriate given MGS - think Escape from New York. Snake's a mess by the end of that one. Has to excruciatingly limp-run his way to the finish line and everything.

[@sj504]

I genuinely think Pat would love The Great Silence and the original Django. Those movies are masterpieces.

[@majdjinn5042]

I'm partial to Fried Chicken Mysteries myself

[@Manfromthenorth0551]

Man stipulating that your character cannot be defeated or even beat up is such a immature and narcissistic decision. Some of the most famous protagonists get their fucking shit wrecked. Do you think the fights in Dragon Ball would be half as impactful if Goku and Vegeta didn't get their shit rocked by the villain. Even if they ultimately win the good guys in Dragon Ball always get wrecked at some point.

[@ledzeppelinfan1001]

Like how much of a fucking narcissist are you as an actor that you cant be seen as weak from your FICTIONAL CHARACTER THAT YOU ARE PLAYING IN THIS FAKE MOVIE LMAO

[@Szriko]

Even Jesus was nailed to the cross before His resurrection. Amen. 🙏

[@jadaw644]

The idea of never wanting to lose fights feels like the whole "this character can solo this entire universe" 'debates', Superman, Goku, etc. Idealizing someone so much that you refuse to believe they could lose to anyone. Except at least those are fans reactions towards fictional characters, these are actual grown men scared of themselves looking human.

[@Dragonsmana]

To anyone else looking forward to the game Enotria: The Last Song. Thanks to this podcast I think we should call it a Spaghetti Soulslike. (Legit though, enjoyed the demo and looking forward to the full game)

[@mediam3957]

I'm looking forward to the Baguette RPG Clair Obscur: Expedition 33.

[@Dracobyte]

I mean Blasphemous series Spanish Soulslike 1 & 2 and goes all in with it!

[@Dragonsmana]

@Dracobyte Yeah, that would fit with the appropriate stereotype Spanish dis Soulslike/Metroivania. Enotria is specifically Italian so I thought it appropriate here lol.

[@starwars90001]

Crippling a character can lead to some of the most character-defining moments in any story. The idea certain actors or characters can't lose because contract is just hutful to writing. Like how Sonic can't lose now.

[@imlpz]

My mind goes immediately to me liking Barbara Gordon better when she went from being Batgirl to Oracle.

[@BreboVR]

I want to say there may also be a contract that states Kenshiro is not allowed to lose any fights outside of Hokuto no Ken's original untouched story. Evidence of that can be seen in the Yakuza Fist of the North Star game where the first tome you fight Raoh you beat him in one try because its technically not the same story and thus Ken cant lose in it. I could be wrong but I remember rumours of that years ago

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s kinda like how Boone refuses to let Scorpion lose in all the MK marketing even though Scorpion is the fucking Charlie Brown of MK and there’s no point pretending otherwise

[@nackskott12]

Oh that SUCKS lmao. I'm going to have to assume that's a Shounen Jump policy and not something the authors imposed. That fight between Ken and Raoh is so iconic BECAUSE of how much of a close call it is. In the 1986 movie they even play up how brutal of a fight it is, removing the whole threat from that scene is borderline sacrilege. Could you imagine a remake of Devil May Cry 3 where Dante beats Vergil in every encounter because Dante isn't allowed to lose?

[@BreboVR]

@@nackskott12 I havent been able to find concrete proof of this mind you, but it wouldnt surprise me considering the evidence it could potentially be a real thing. And yeah I'm not sure if it would be a thing the author did or Shounen Jump or what but its just so bizarre that things like this CAN exist.

[@SoaringLettuce]

The Rock did do one movoe where he gets absolutely wrecked, it's The Rundown

[@Onefromthedarkness]

Oh that’s 2003 Rock. That ego didn’t start till he joined fast and the furious.

[@Deemo3]

Pat if you like scenes like that I highly recommend Nobody. It’s like John Wick is lf John was old and busted and MAN does he take some damage.

[@YZaiCreates]

It's also quite a funny comedy

[@residentfan1521]

@@Deemo3 funny you should compare it to John Wick because the creator of John Wick, Derek Kolstad wants to do a John Wick/Nobody crossover film. As a side note, the creator of Atomic Blonde, David Leitch wants to do an Atomic Blonde/John Wick crossover film. Can you imagine a cinematic universe of John Wick, Atomic Blonde and Nobody?

[@TigoODonnell]

I also love how the main character is not like John and absolutely is all in for the violence.

[@WeCareAlot4693]

Manco/Blondie/Joe are loosely the same character. Think Mad Max. 3 different stories about this mysterious character, only loosely related by their protagonist, who we know close to nothing about. You can try to form some continuity or not, it doesn't matter. It's actually very common in Sphagetti westerns

[@601JT]

Not only is Eastwoods character beaten down in those movies some of the injuries carry over to the subsequent films. In a Fistful of Dollars he gets his hand stomped on and possibly has a broken wrist, In A Few Dollars More he has a brace on that hand for the entire movie and only uses that hand for shooting.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

Does Stallone have the clause? He LOST in Rocky 6 and had cancer in Creed.

[@MXCoriginal]

Watch the movie Nobody, or at least the bus scene if you want to see a modern action movie where Bob Odenkirk gets the shit kicked out of him

[@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat]

I am instantly willing to believe vin diesel has one of those contracts

[@thedarkderp2520]

@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat he does so does Jason Statham

[@bishopspechulure9821]

I will cotrect Pat abput Hobbs and Shaw, in that movie the rock and jason statham get their asses kicked by Idris Elba in that movie and constantly have to run. But in fast 10 or whatever one where he launched a catapult at a helicopter i don't remember him losing so yeah. Doesnt seem to be mandated EVERY time but he does have some kind of rule

[@Confussed-Oddish]

Those movies were filmed in Spain. It's called spaghetti cause the crew, aside from the ones who weren't, were Italian.

[@Hisnitch]

Wait, Danny Trejo was in Yazuka?

[@YZaiCreates]

the most recent Like a Dragon, set in hawaii

[@zerothepanda02]

Triple H has a similar deal but with wrestling game trailers where he can't be shown losing or looking weak in any way

[@chloeirnes]

I'm wondering if Hogan had something similar as he feels like he has twice the health of everyone else on SEGA!

[@michaelbuell-ju1ho]

I’m the rock and this is my favorite store on the citadel.

[@Spec0psGrunt]

You never let the wrestlers make the booking decisions

[@residentfan1521]

9:30 well except for that one time in Sons of Anarchy where he gets off Scot free and gets to continue doing horrible evil cartel things.

[@angelmaster765]

I really like that The Rock went back to wrestling to main event WrestleMania, people reject him in favor of Cody Rhodes, then Rock turns heel to beat the shit out of Cody and leave... and then Rock said that he did it because he adjusted to the audience.

[@GodsRighthandman]

"You didn't win"

[@axongear9650]

The Rock even beat Cody Rhodes at night 1 at wrestlemania this year and had his own special championship belt. It did make him a great bad guy though, but he's saying all of it (being the badguy boss) was his idea when it really was wasn't

[@Biodeamon]

I thought "contractual invincibility" would mean they could get away with anything on set

[@rahjeel]

John McClain is one of the best action heroes ever at least the first 3 Die Hard movies because he's just a regular cop thrown to the wolves of highly trained international criminals and had his ass handed to him about 90% of the movies.

[@TheRogueWolf]

There's a scene in the Charlize Theron film Atomic Blonde where her character has to evacuate a Russian defector from an apartment being stormed by armed agents and winds up in a fistfight with one of them. She's at a noticeable disadvantage when fighting him- she has to use leverage or fight with whatever objects she can get her hands on, as she doesn't have the strength or mass to overpower him. She survives, but ends up believably bruised and wounded. Kind of sad to think that Dwayne Johnson couldn't measure up.

[@residentfan1521]

Clint Eastwood is the same character. But everyone else is different.

[@felipevega830]

not sure if its just me but for some reason I cant seem to be able to listen to the podcast either on the website, spotify, nor the other various ways I can listen to it, trying it on the phone or the computer nothing changes, I don't relly know what to do?

[@tri3s4life]

If you liked the Fistful of Dollars trilogy, you should power through Red Dead Redemption 2 for the story and performances by the actors. It's really a fantastic western.

[@CrimePaint]

It wasn't surprising, the first time I heard about Rock's "I Win" clause. His wrestling character/career was mostly built on burying opponents.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s weird because in his early movie career Mummy Returns, Get Smart and Doom he loses and gets killed.

[@CrimePaint]

@@li-limandragon9287 "early" is the key word there. He wasn't going to walk into a new industry and get away with demands like that. But, back then, he probably didn't have his head as far up his ass like he does now.

[@jacobp7037]

It's crazy how much the Rock's publicnimage has tanked since Black Adam.

[@attackofthecopyrightbots]

? I Thought its supposed to be the same clint eastwood "man with no name" character. pats definitely wrong here

[@spideralexandre2099]

I did not think Danny Trejo could get any cooler, and yet!

[@Manu0jedi]

ham sandwich rpg

[@tsmith5133]

Cannot recommend the kickass comic or first movie enough if you like "this is just a guy" main characters still being cool

[@SpectralSlugger]

is that why you throw Danny Trejo into the train in def jam

[@Jet0]

there the same character god damn it pat

[@DiranJiru]

What is Pat talking about characters playing different people in the Clint Eastwood trilogy?

[@RetroDrew]

Clint Eastwood plays a different character in each movie. In a Few Dollars more Lee Van Cleaf plays a good guy and in The Good The Bad and The Ugly he's playing the bad guy, who is not the same character.

[@residentfan1521]

Exactly what he said. Mario Brega, Aldo Sambrell, Benito Stefanelli, Lorenzo Robledo, Joseph Egger, Gian Maria Volonte, Lee Van Cleef, Luigi Pistilli, Roman Ariznavarretta, Antonio Molino Rojo, Antonito Ruiz and Jose Terron all play different people. The only recurring actor who plays the same person is Clint Eastwood and even then he’s going by different nicknames each movie. If you look at the Wikipedia page for the Dollars Trilogy and look under the principal cast, you’ll see the character names are different. Sometimes they’re not even main characters and are just nameless extras.

[@residentfan1521]

⁠@@sagecolvard9644no Clint Eastwood is the same character. Joe, Monco and Blondie are nicknames given to him by other characters.

[@Biodeamon]

so he pulled a drake used his evil for good?

[@InvaderKaz2008]

RRR is as good as it is because despite being basically superhumans, the main characters are constantly in a state of near death level of damage.

[@shadowreaverrising1753]

Hobbs(Dwayne) lost to Dom(diesel). Dom could have killed him. That's the reason for the feud. It's safe to say that is where the "no lose" clause likely came from. Rock got put in the hospital in walking tall. Lost and got killed in doom.

[@AidilAfham]

I play alot of Sushi RPG

[@JohnSmith-tt1nh]

I know Pat's opinion on Rock is based in his own experience ane views and having a clause like that in your contract is 100% pussy shit, but its coincidentally coming at weird time where the media is collectively and constantly jumping down the Rock's throat for weird reasons like allegedly being late to sets and being rude to staff, and his supporters in the industry are having to come out in support and tell people that the reports are wrong week after week. It feels like a coordinated smear campaign.

[@JeevesAnthrozaurUS]

It was so disappointing to see Danny Trejo show up in Sons of Anarchy as a cartel boss and having his "I need my bad guy character to get messed up" rule entirely circumvented by it being revealed that his character was a CIA asset That was the best worst show I've ever watched

[@residentfan1521]

It’s also not even consistent with his contract. Tortuga in Breaking Bad is a DEA informant and gets killed horribly. Why is that worse than being a CIA asset in Sons of Anarchy? Why does Tortuga die but Romero(his SOA character) gets to live.

[@Stormfin]

Wasn't that podcast thing just a joke for him? Like a prank he pulls against new listeners?

[@ShayneRawls]

Pat is right. Rock sucks

[@YZaiCreates]

Rock sucks

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

Rock kinda sucks yeah.... The textbook definition of insincerity

[@residentfan1521]

@@ShayneRawls yeah I’m more of a paper guy. Scissors would be good too.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Like.

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

That said, anyone acting like Clint Eastwood or Chuck Norris wouldn't also have a contract where they can't get beaten nowadays, you're out of your mind.

[@li-limandragon9287]

With Chuck sure, but Eastwood has calmed down with that in his older age. He gets killed in Gran Torino.

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

@@li-limandragon9287 It's almost like he's old and can't do such things anymore and we're talking about if they were young in contemporary times. John Wayne absolutely too. I accept Bruce Lee wouldn't care, but I think a lot of 80s action macho stars younger and doing it the same now would have some weird "no red or brown M&M backstage" level of special writ demands.

[@MattManDX1]

@@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0 The "No red or brown M&M" thing was just to make sure the staff at the venue are actually paying attention to the list to ensure they're following all the safety rules too. If they didn't bother sorting through a few M&M's then your pyrotechnic devices they set up for your rock concert might burn the building down.

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

@@MattManDX1 That's an excuse they say, it's not all that. I can promise you that much. You can justify any action and people will react depending on who. I promise no one uses that excuse when calling female performers bxtches for doing it or having weird parts of their Hollywood contracts.

[@MarianaPall]

I mean this happened with anime. This is why people "hate isekai", but the genre isn't the problem. The problem is that often enough the protag does not get fucked enough to justify their op-ness.

[@ryangallagher8194]

It's why ReZero is my favourite of the isekais. Main guy is getting effortlessly bodied over and over against crazy opposition, and has to work to overcome basically impossible odds. Everyone likes underdogs.

[@rikowolfin4984]

True, most Isekai get ruined because they start with a great premise and ruin it by turning it into a shitty power fantasy where the main character can never be wrong or weak. Reincarnated as a Slime has the best contrast of this as one arc early on is basically written off as a cake walk that the main character could solve by literally sleep walk fighting the entire enemy force of pig men by himself if he wanted to, but during this arc there is one cowardly lizard man that fucks up and gets his people in trouble and so he goes to fight their pigman leader himself knowing he's probably not going to win, and the fight is a real drag out where he isn't just easily beat, he puts up a pretty damn good fight and it was the closest fight in the show to have any stakes for the longest time to the point the lizard man loses but proves he's a bad ass and making up for his mistakes by fighting as hard as he could. Then the main character solves the problem easily and basically humiliating both the evil pigmen and also the godlike computer that gave him the powers to begin with by saying they both suck at fighting before he beats the big bad, the lizardman gets a new color of scales after the main character gives him a name which should have "Powered him up" but does nothing while all of the other lizard women turn into shitty human cosplayers that are also supposed to be way stronger but its never really shown, and he is reduced to a joke character that is made fun of for being a weak coward that never does anything cool ever again... yet still that one fight made him way cooler than the OP Main character ever was or ever will be in my opinion because at least that lizardman got me wanting him to win in the end.

[@ryangallagher8194]

@@rikowolfin4984 It's like they know how to write a compelling character, they KNOW how, but choose not to focus on those at all.

[@wizlez]

Re the Rock: it's pro wrestling logic. You don't sell for just anyone. (On that note, he has always been like this.)

[@supersaiyanyamcha2665]

Idk if it has ever existed before, but American rpgs should be called HRPGs. Hamburger Role Playing Games

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

you mean the thing named after and invented in Germany?

[@Diinytro]

​@@miguelnewmexico8641 Hamburgers are generally associated with stereotypes about the US.

[@RGcrasyRG]

Dunno, I was bored out of my mind watching the war segment in good, bad an the ugly.

[@music79075]

First!

[@music79075]

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