World of Warships - Apocalypse Zao

[@oct8pus551]

Hey there hope you enjoyed the very last piece of drama in this battle, while playing I honestly thought we lost that, but turns out wows flawless coding had mercy of my team🤣 thank you very much for the kind words 😀

[@siriusczech]

Just curious - why you didn´t sail into C cap earlier? Those points would have been crucial for your win (if Monty died) and you would be able to spam HE even while capping (and blocking points), especially with spotter plane ready. No offense meant, just curiosity for a different perspective

[@oct8pus551]

@@siriusczech because it would had taken me at least 1 minute to cap with 2 minutes left. Also being down on points with 1 or 2 caps in that specific situation was basically the same. We needed a kill and that was the only way to win there for out team. Generally speaking I agree with you that capping is important, but given the timer and the points in that scenario I decided to open up and try to sink a ship, even if in the end my daring and the Monty were the guys saving the match

[@cgilleybsw]

" wows flawless coding " that's funny ;)

[@ambassadorofreee3859]

Holy crap what a match! One of those "Not even close" am I rite? :'D

[@siriusczech]

@@oct8pus551 Thanks. Whenever the game is close enough, I try to at least stall the points income. Because one thing is making a point income to your team (aka cap it), second is to deny your opponents their ponts. On this maps, every team gets +4 points every 9s for each cap they have. Difference between your potential arrival at the cap and Ragnar´s is approx 50s = -20 points for the enemy. The Ragnar finished capping at 00.00 on timer, meaning that when you would capped 50s sooner, your team would also GET +20 points by the time game ends. That gives 40 points difference in total. With 49 points difference between both teams in the video and 50s being NOT dividable by 9 without remains, I am absolutely not sure about when caps ticks exactly, however at least 89 points difference was there. Exact seconds would matter (like here), but it would really be possible to win this even with Monty dead, cause 11 points difference is in range of an error of judgement based solely on a video ;) That´s what I was meaning there. I almost expected it to be a throw in the end by the Monty with immediate rise of worries when you turned away from C. Because at that point you were only like 16 points behind. That is my point of view. I cannot count things like this in battle spot on, but definitely try to do so often at least roughly. Mod with timer is not available, but learned me a lot, same as Jingles vid. Nevertheless - nicely played ;)

[@bishop6218]

As a frenchman, i can vouch that your impersonation of the French destroyers is spot on 👍

[@comtepseudonyme2144]

As an other frenchmen, I concur !

[@Sindor33]

Zat iz not possibeul

[@EvernooBE]

Hon hon hon! Mais c'est magnifique!

[@firehawk894]

It's kinda funny because Rita is one of those "dirty map border humpers" that Jingles was talking about and she also has the opinion of "Well if it was a problem WG will fix it" xD while raging at anybody who dares use the map border against her :p

[@Pyasek]

ay lemme fix that real quick. "Well if it was WG's problem..."

[@herm43506]

“The Des Moines still got it, and isn’t likely to be super seeded anytime soon.” DUN DUN DUUUUUNNNNNNN! Oh Jingles never change.

[@Kackpuh]

*superseded

[@herm43506]

@@Kackpuh speech to text but me hard on that one… thanks.

[@JohnMasterCheif]

@@herm43506 it’s still drunk XD

[@yojimbo8921]

From one veteran to another, have a great Veteran's Day, Jingles. Celebrate for those who cannot.

[@raymondjames57]

I believe you ,but every non veteran, They are only LARPing because their preprogrammed NPC script told them to. I'll enjoy my usual trip to the Cemetery where I get to "enjoy" seeing absolutely nobody except veterans paying respect. My generation wasn't worth it!

[@1mol831]

@@raymondjames57 So.. is it a good idea to join the army right now, or join the resistance against the state?

[@guerrillaentrepreneur5999]

A belated "you too". Hooah

[@freetolook3727]

They say on Veterans day, to thank a vet. For years, I thanked my dad as he was at Hickham field in Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. He's gone now so thank you Paul for your service!

[@danielpayne1597]

o7

[@anonnymousperson]

Good to see the fourth return of this video title :D. Looking forwards to see the fifth sometime next year.

[@chaosengine4597]

... adding "Redux"

[@jorgs3801]

The thing going to a modern Battle with a Longbow and a Sword excludes Mad Jack Churchill I think.

[@barnecmind]

was gonna mention this. lets hope jingles mentions mad jack.. "If it wasn't for those damn Yanks, we could have kept the war going another 10 years." The old boy enjoyed the war. Proper lunatic. Also if memory doesnt fail me he scored kills with a longbow ww2.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

Mad Jack was the exception to so many rules, easily proving this one.

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

I’m pretty sure that this is the third time that you’ve used this title for a video, and I get equally thrilled each time I see it.

[@JoeSyxpack]

Damage over time is such a common feature in games where it's possible to cross outside the boarder of a map that I can't think of what justification Wargaming has for not implementing it. Other than CVs like to park right on the edge.

[@cgilleybsw]

WG doesn't do anything that they can't claim as their own decision. They have been given so much pragmatic advice and criticism, they qualify as the ultimate border humpers.

[@firehawk894]

I think I read an official response once which was "Damage from straying outside of or touching the map border was not implemented due to the fact it would take warships a much longer time to stop and return to the battle"

[@ericamborsky3230]

@@firehawk894 I think that is probably a valid reason, could you imagine the frustration of having to turn around a battleship that has gone out of bounds and is now taking damage? Although perhaps keeping the solid borders and adding a damage over time after a period of time might work.

[@yashma4187]

Apart from an HP increase, the Zao could really use a buff to its maximum firing range in order to make taking the reload module a more viable option.

[@declanpm8578]

I think the easiest solution to the "map border" existing is removing it and putting a 30 second timer in place if you go over it. If you run through that 30 second time you either start taking tick damage at a fairly high rate or you just explode and it won't reset if you go back into the battle map. Make the boundary line clear sure, but don't make it a wall that slows you down. You go over that line, there should be consequences.

[@MrEsandSecrets]

World of Warplanes just automatically turns you back into map.

[@john681611]

Or you just treat it like land (maybe texture it like a oddly straight reef and you stop dead.

[@jkausti6737]

I think Warthunder (tank version) gives you a timer and when it runs out you go bye bye. Something like 20 or 30 secs. Of course in WoWS people would whine when their ship gets sunk like that but in most cases that should be enough time to turn around.

[@domitiusseverus1]

I think minefields should constitute the border

[@seanreaper8344]

Or maybe just a Kraken comes out and swallows the ship whole.

[@Typhyr]

“If there is a problem, they would have fixed it by now....”. My brain went numb upon those words. Good thing Jingles started laughing to get it go8ng again.

[@emmaquarzpeng]

xD 5:25 got me with my pants down and a coffee all over my desk. Thank you for that old man! :D

[@leoo67899]

"I got my pants dirty watching old man" sounds wrong

[@emmaquarzpeng]

@@leoo67899 ^^ maybe a bit, but from a technical point of view its correct

[@duvagr007]

Jingles: *uploads another Zao replay* Also Jingles: *titles the video "Apocolypse Zao" like every other Zao video* Never change old man. Happy Veteran's/Rememberence Day. Fair winds and following seas.

[@Thecamper0131]

Had all 4 of my wisdom tooth pulled out today, thanks for keeping me entertained and keeping the pain of my mind jingles

[@lairdcummings9092]

Been there, it sux, good you have a distraction.

[@Thecamper0131]

@@lairdcummings9092 yeah can't sleep tho, it's 8 am now

[@Thecamper0131]

@@ursamajor7468 haha nah can't drink alcohol for now because of meds. They don't do that here in Canada they just numb ur mouth and remove the teeth, so I was wide awake for all 4 and the for the stitches lol, can't wait to be able to eat some pizza tho, but it's not that kind of pain anyways, just like a discomfort kind I guess

[@Algaean]

Yeah, never touched codeine since my wisdom teeth were removed and it was prescribed by the doc.....no way.

[@Thecamper0131]

@@Algaean haha yeah never touched that stuff myself, it's just normal dose pain killers nothing major

[@tim1polman]

A nice fix for borderhumping would be a damage over time while the engine power is reduced. Or just add a flood or fire every 20-30 seconds someone is on the border. Rather than 'fix' it, just punnish the player who does it.

[@mindaugasstankus5943]

Game engine hard fix - BS. Give engine source code and some one will do it over weekend or evening. Damage and similar solution will piss-off more players.

[@windborne8795]

Just do away with the borders altogether! I don't see why that would be a problem after working out some details. At very least they could double or triple the size of the maps. That would greatly reduce the occurrence of border humping.

[@ernestpaul2484]

I don't play WOW, but with Jingles "detailed" color commentary on the battles and the behind the scenes corporate shenanigans, I enjoy watching and listening to these videos. This one in particular was one that kept my attention to the very end. Excellent play.

[@scott2836]

9:05 Jingles, that was golden, sir. O7 And thank you for your service, sir.

[@Halinspark]

"The English Longbow(which us actually the Welsh Longbow)..." Sounds like Jingles has been secretly hanging out with Tod's Workshop

[@evanray8413]

No. Many people were aware of this fact long before the existence of this Tod person.

[@kevintucker332]

Happy veterans day jingles. I'm not sure if y'all celebrate the same time we do over here in the states. You deserve it regardless.

[@cgilleybsw]

Jingles - 11 out of 10. I start my day on the east coast of the USA watching your latest post. The commentary is spot on and where I would deliver comments with acid and buckets of vitriol toward WG, you deliver with humor. And that hurts more. I do miss "The good, the bad and the ugly" videos from Wot, but I fully understand why you're avoiding that screaming pile of excrement.

[@roho10011]

Your commentary really brings these battles to life! Cheers

[@budafarms]

Happy Veterans Day jingles thank you for your service

[@ukaszgrzesik7231]

Damn, few years of playing and still I was not aware of border aiming issue. Always thought that it was my aim being thrown off by targeted ship suddenly slowing. Thanks!

[@TheStratovarian]

The snark is happily back and in good form. Thanks for a good replay and enjoyable commentary.

[@Hell_On_Gaming]

[12:35] If you see the damage counter during the instant damage control claim, it's still going up from the fire that was set. I only say that because it's a beautiful sight when a CV is burning and I want everyone to be able to appreciate it!

[@thelegionisnotamused8929]

To those veterans amongst you, thank you for your service and sacrifice.

[@edmartin875]

Thank you for your appreciation. It definitely beats arriving in an airport from overseas while I was in the Navy when anyone in uniform was cursed, called foul names, and spat at.

[@Elpresidente98]

Never knew I needed to hear Jingles impersonate a national French man lmao

[@throwthrough4053]

Thank you for your service!

[@saltybiscuitboy1059]

"If it was a problem they wouldve fixed it by now" *silence* *abrupt laughter follows* I am no game expert, but I have played enough to know that games will leave issues be for years before actually doing anything about it, if it makes them money. Look at the WOT Blitz Premiums for example, specifically around tier 5-7. Anyways, Ima finish the video now. Love the content Jingles, keep up the amazing content.

[@runsolo7418]

I haven't played WoW in years, but I watch every Mighty Jingles video I can.

[@xel1206]

That pause and laughter at 9:06 is pure comedy gold.

[@connorallison2123]

you made that end into a real nail biter, had me at the edge of my seat

[@lubossoltes321]

09:25 you can see another bug, detection bloom from firing your guns does not care about your actual gun range. his spotter plane ends, his gun range is reduced to 17.5km yet his detectability stays at 21km ... nice

[@Legendendear]

not a bug. working as intended

[@darkguerilla1824]

Wish I could get a Jingles mention. Definitely a heck of a battle.

[@lilyeves892]

Carriers not burning will never cease to amuse me

[@salimufari]

I love the idea of a map border mechanic that if you are in contact with the map border for more than say .. 45 seconds ... it starts a fire on the forward most unlit part of your ship. AKA if you have a fire on your bow.. it would move the spawn to the forward midships next zone.

[@billbrydon3725]

Fun fact: It wasn't until the second half of the nineteenth-century that the British Army had a rifle with a range comparable or greater to the longbow.

[@johnhammonds5143]

Jingles: Special circle of hell reserved for border humpers Rita: Come and get me

[@wombat4191]

"Absolutely nothing has been done to Zao" Actually Jingles, she is getting a HP buff... I'd rather loosen up those horrid firing angles though.

[@aokaze-minotaur]

Or get a range buff. Or lower the citadel. Or widen the torpedo angles. I'd take any of those over a 2000 HP buff.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

2k more Hp buff whihc literally does nothing except maybe making live about 3 seconds longer.

[@ryanbrochu3336]

@@aokaze-minotaur Or get a reload buff. Or a turret traverse buff. I'd take any of those over a 2000 HP buff.

[@akesvensson3778]

Very nice Jingles! You sold me the Zao. In some other video you sold me the Fiji and it's good!

[@riquelmeone]

The Zao is by now pretty much the romantic idea of what World of Warships used to be ages ago. I love the Zao.

[@stuchatterton6550]

That is one awesome title Jingles

[@freetolook3727]

Remember when carriers couldn't launch planes if the carrier deck was on fire?

[@luke_3_113]

Well worth the watch. Thanks.

[@XenKaidos]

For the border humping solution.. you'd just have to constrict the ship border by 3/4 the length of the longest ship, while keeping the map border where it is. A box inside of a box more-or-less. it's a pretty easy fix. This would allow the targeting system to work as it should by using the map border grid vs the ship border grid.

[@j.p.vanbolhuis8678]

Yeah, well the problem is not so much the grid. The problem is that the ship is moving in a different direction than its own vector suggests. After all the outward vector is zeroed, while the ortogonal vector (i.e. sideways) remains. The aim assist uses the ship vector, which still has the outward component. That is why it may be better to disengage the target lock and target manually along the map border. a corollary to this is that the more parallel to the border the ship is, the more accurate the aim assist becomes again.

[@Sunshrine2]

Easier fix: Remember the infamous "autopilot" aka "automatic obstruction avoidance"? Let it kick in at the border with "Commander! You are leaving the battle! Turn back!" and it will promptly turn the rudder to full swing away from the border. There. Fixed it.

[@MrGrimsmith]

Ahem, not exactly today but have you heard of "Mad Jack" Churchill Jingles? Something about taking a longbow to war when everyone else was using guns? :P

[@blue2sco]

Got the only confirmed kill using a arrow.

[@timcgames488]

Hi there idk if you’ll see this Jingles but I have sleeping problems and I live in Arizona (U.S.) and its 2:48 am and watching your video is always the last video before I finally pass out!! I’ve been watching your videos for years now and definitely every single WOWS videos!! Lol Have a good day!

[@CCM1199]

I love the Zao. It was my first tier X ship unlocked and has been in my port ever since. I to this day still play the zao even with the power creep. the only thing I did to improve the zao was remove the legendary mod and added the range mod. gives me more of a standoff distance and I can kite with the target. I never rush in and always keep guns hot at max range.

[@stefanocrosazzo3262]

Yes. Range mod + spotter plane ftw. I have specced my Zao captain for Eye in the Sky instead of pyrotechnician, it's an incredibly useful skill

[@morecurves]

it might be the powercrept, but still most beautiful ship for me. looks badass

[@NovusDawn1]

God damn it Jingles! I had a mouthful of my cereal when you did that cutaway and you made me laugh and get wheaties all over my keyboard!

[@Pincer88]

As silly as it may be, a day without a Jingles video is like going off to work without having a coffee, a smoke (+ the inevitable visit to the big white telephone) and laugh with a good friend. To me it's what espresso is to Italians: the best possible way to kick off the day.

[@dandan3147]

That title never gets old.

[@Ponja__]

simple(?) solution for border-hugging; ticking damage-taken increase where every second you touch the map border, you take 1% extra damage, and it decays at 2%/second once you stop touching the border

[@GhenTuongHB]

1:48 When I saw the title that is about Zao. I kinda had an idea of what you are going to say. But damn, it isn't surprise, but it hurts.

[@07azrael]

This vid wouldn't exist if the daring didn't spot those torps at the start. It would have been game over for zao

[@highlandwinterwolf8589]

I'm rarely this early, but after last night this is a welcome distraction to ease this mornings depression.

[@ChIGuY-town22_]

Your impression of a French man is spot on, lol.

[@tazkar1956]

The kids saw this and thought wow that would be a cool movie title.

[@brett76544]

even after all these years, I never got any of the IJN ship lines to tier 10. Sure CV to 9, long ago, but 20k till Zao right now. Now on boarder humpers, this separates the men from the boys. They move slow, and the longer they hump the line the slower they go. That is where experience for dealing with them comes in and you just change to AP when they are almost turned broadside too you and finish'em.

[@quoniam426]

Thank God the ship list features newly added ships or I would have thought that that video was already released years ago... I still have much less difficulties to hit fuys on the mapborders than before. (Except when it comes to Petropavlosks... of course that thing is immune)

[@History_Buff]

The comedic aspect here is Jingles posts this video on the day that 10.10 goes live where the Zao gets a, I'll be it very very minor, buff with a couple k added HP.

[@casperreininga3253]

Funny coincidence Jingles, the day you uploaded this video is the day the Zao got its buff! (update 0.10.10)

[@terranceroff8113]

Gotta love the title!

[@justanotherviewer52]

Thanks Jingles.

[@Alexander27463]

Please jingles don't go on a crusade the British have done enough of that!

[@tomascoenmitrani4060]

About the map border thing: About 2 weeks ago I ran into the border in my marco polo, I slowed to a halt, and got stuck on the map border for 5 minutes untill i was saved by a shikishima's 510mm shell puting me out of my missery.

[@TrickiVicBB71]

That was a really good game to watch

[@hyo3884]

WG did buff the Zao recently, they gave it 2k more hp... so like 1 AP shell from anything bigger than a Destroyer.

[@SupComRaiden2]

Just a reminder to everyone that yes a carrier does have a 60-second DCP. It also has a 90-second cool down before it can activate again.

[@thomphin3261]

Fun fact, this is the fourth Jingles video titles Apocalypse Zao

[@maxmustermann1111]

i found the solution to borderhumping. Very difficult, i have been sitting in my science lab for the past 3 years to develope it: Make ships take DOT equal to a flood if they touch the border. People will not go to the fkin border anymore. and if they do they die. problem solved. jingles you are a genius :D

[@preacher3d801]

"If there is any problem, they fix it by now"... that make me laugh so hard

[@lauroichihara]

By simple reajusting the torpedos pointing backwards (just like mogami and ibuki) it would help quite a lot in kiting situation, improving the ship performance without even change the specs. He also needs a bit better reload

[@Angel9932]

After being free from WOWS for over a year, watching this video has me downloading it again for some silly reason. *shakesfist*

[@mathieu4432]

Have a good rememberance day Jingles

[@Jakej904]

Happy Veterans day from America Jingles

[@dragade101]

Solution for map border: make two boundaries. A smaller one is where ships can sail, the larger is where ships can aim and shoot. There shouldnt be a problem with your aim assist to land shots in a legal area to shoot but an illegal area for ships to move.

[@louneissen1603]

Would it be an option to make the playable surface of the maps a little bit smaller but keep the border to calculate the hits etc at the map range they are now ? That way you could treat the new map borders like collision surface like the islands perhaps ?

[@de4ler]

holy shit . this was better than the new star wars movies :D good shit have a like

[@scootersplace9324]

Another great video sir!

[@slagathor757]

For border riding, I think an “engine room fire” that ticks damage at a quarter of the rate of a real fire would solve the border riding issue

[@Neneset]

CV damage con is instant and lasts for 1 minute, but after that fires are actually much worse for CVs than other ships. They only burn for 5 seconds on a CV, but they do 1% damage per second, which is far higher. In addition CV fire resistance is much lower than other ships, peaking at about the point other ships are at when Tier V, so it is very easy to set them on fire over and over and over when their damage con is on cooldown.

[@themisspultone]

simple fix to that map edge fix is apply that slow to the reload too. or just bugger up the accuracy

[@nlb137]

Maybe give the enemy team points for "causing the enemy to retreat" to solve the border problem. Give it two layers, one 'hard' wall, with an inside ring that, if you're within it it, basically gives the enemy an extra capped area for as long as you are inside it.

[@Eon2641]

That'd be griefer christmas, imagine how much fun they'd have ending games that way and denying everyone experience.

[@michaelhildebrandt1898]

Your sarcasm is on point - as allways :-)

[@Dorkrust]

Zao is 10th of 26(not going to count Gibraltar because it's game count isn't statistically relevant) for average damage of t10 cruisers on NA, she's fine, for perspective Des Memes is 20th, Mino is 18th, Wooster is 17th, Petro is 11th. The Stalingrad, Henri and Venezia top the chart with damage numbers 11-16% higher than Zao, she's fine. The kiting vs pushing problem can be said of all IJN CA, and many other nations CA as well for that matter and is more of a meta issue with the game play itself than the boat. About Khabarovsk, it's still the 4th best DD for average damage on NA, so all this talk of power creep is exactly that, talk. Before the inevitable "yeah that's NA" counter, the Zao is 8th on EU, and the Khaba is 5th on EU.

[@mattw.6726]

Erm....Jingles, the Zao just got buffed in yesterday's update. (I think it was a 2k hp increase.)

[@luxcraft2753]

Oh oh, there will be a support ticket raised by the enemy carrier 😂 How can this happen to one of Wargaming's most protected children? This is outrageous!!!😂😂😂

[@estoyaqui5386]

I don´t get what´s so special about it. Had carriers die to fire often. Just rain HE on a low-HP CV and there is a good chance it happens.

[@thomastrain7934]

Very atypical game. He faced one potato after another who failed to focus him mostly.

[@freetolook3727]

Gotta love that thumbnail!😅👍

[@general_alexus2533]

When CVs are set on fire they only burn for one tick, its not because of the automatic fire extinglisher (with action time of 1 min). But this one tick does way more dmg than on other ships so its not that rarely that I kill a CV with fire.

[@keller1334]

Zao is very good at hunting dd's. You have hydro,accurate high velocity guns,and excellent camo. Kiting and staying dark until broadside AP shots become available. The Zao needs the old legendary module back and better turret rotation. The old legendary gave you a double rudder shift,extended range,and better accuracy. Maybe just maybe better firing angles for the guns. It is a very strong ship as is. Still my favorite tier X. Still my highest damage,kill and survival ratio.

[@dkelrk1]

*Doing the famous pose where the guy throws his arms in the air whilst kneeling.

[@robinburkard5134]

Hi Jingles I really love your videos. I noticed that your intro is somehow of bad quality, would be really nice if the intro would be high quality aswell. Keep doing what you're doing.

[@admiralbone2002]

This reminds me of a similar game I had in the Zao 3 years ago. Was on ocean

[@lightningv46]

My thought has always been if you're in contact with the map border for too long (20 sec, 30?) your visibility increases to max and you can't fire your guns. That should stop border camping

[@edmartin875]

Guns AND torps.

[@AtholAnderson]

Border humper fix idea. After (X amount of time, based on a reasonable time frame for someone to turn away after an accidental collision) instead of reducing engine power, weapon accuracy/range decrease and visibility increase; so if you insist on border humping you won't hit shit and everyone will know where you are.