World of Warships- Forrest Sherman First Impressions: SAP Was A Mistake

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[@deadmeat_0152]

My dad served on Her in the 60's, its a must have for me, almost got the coal saved up!

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

I remember going aboard theTurner Joy in Bremerton many years ago; it's a Forest Sherman class, not a museum ship. Appreciate your insights on this.

[@sameh59younis15]

I would say this is closer to a friesland than a smalland since it has rapid firing guns with similar detection and same consumables

[@oldRighty1]

That's exactly what I was thinking. A few differences - AA isn't as special, it has torps but few / bad angles. When I saw the hydro range I was thinking that would be such a great DD hunter - if they smoke up, sit at 4km and hydro them. If they don't close in & smoke up yourself.

[@Panocek]

Given server tickrate issues still weren't addressed on live server, some thought needs to be put when building Forrest Sherman, Smaland and other hyperfast reloading guns, as unga bunga stack all the reload may not necessarily work as advertised. Currently, when using ripple fire (unless you want to click your left mouse button away), you need to reach 1.428s or 1.142s reload breakpoints. Former requires only BFT from reload modifiers, latter calls for BFT, reload mod and Fearless Brawler OR Adrenaline and losing at least half of your hp. Without these conditions met, your reload will be 1.428s.

[@realhuman4396]

Ok

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

There will be a fix in 2 patches, max

[@Panocek]

@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 First, it needs to arrive and not brick anything in meantime. Second, 1/7 tickrate for ripple fire is an improvement, but you doesn't fix root cause. For example, FS with just Reload mod will achieve the same tick of 1.428s as with BFT. And only practical difference with the fix would be achieving 1.285s tick with BFT and Reload mod, as 1.142s tick is "obtainable" currently.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

@@Panocek the issue is that to improve the tick rate you need to rip up and rebuild the entire system, and I doubt that's happening any time soon

[@jackshittle]

My dad served on the Forrest Sherman during the Vietnam era. I wish it was still around as a museum as I'd love to be able to see it first hand.

[@kaizermierkrazy6886]

This ship was laid down in 1953, They might as well add tiers 11-20 at this point and go modern...👀

[@bb-152ussmeta9]

Given that the new British Super Mino was from the 70's....

[@Edax_Royeaux]

The Russian tier 10 cruiser was designed in 1955.

[@crayzaro3478]

If your taking the Sherman I would recommend taking the Range Captain skill and then the reload mod. It gets you more reload and range (-5% vs -12% reload) and (+20% range vs +15%). You will sacrifice DE but gain another point to throw into incoming fire alert which Is amazing since the acceleration is pretty decent speed juking with IFA is comfortable especially at 15km. Another thing I will add, this ship has Austin ballistics which are much improved. It does not have stratosphere shells like the US dds but more like a DM so keep that in mind when choosing reload vs range

[@radiationpony8449]

My problem with SAP is that it does MORE damage then ap, and more relyably, even thunderer HE can't say that

[@jaywerner8415]

"SAP was a mistake" UNDERSTATEMENT of the decade. God i hate those shells simply on the grounds of "no counter play". YES I have been informed that SAP CAN bounce, but 10 degrees is BULLSHIT! Combine that with the "just enough" Pen value to punch though the Common thresholds, most ANNOYING shells EVER! Most AP shells bounce at a 60 degree angle and the improved ones at 45 degrees or so. Anyone, its kinda funny how many of these "1950s/1960s" and more modern designs have been added and keep getting added. I will not be surprised if we get SAM AA ships in the future (we have Rocket AA mounts, Missile AA isnt much of a stretch), who knows maybe modernized Iowa Class at some point.

[@valiandrei6743]

I'd love to have modern ships. But at their own tier, not T11 able to play against T8

[@tobiastime4066]

I can see SAP being rough to deal with sometimes, but I don't think any of the ships with SAP are overpowered. Also, having an ammo type that deals very consistant damage is good for both sides, because you know what you're dealing with, and can make decisions based on that.😊

[@pz_jge1002]

sap isnt that op, most of ita bbs arent even that good

[@hwill2453]

Mr. Werner you are incorrect about your SAP. info. American SAP as well as the upcoming Italian Destroyers Ricochet at less aggressive angles than the Italian Cruisers. I'm waiting for the free version to drop before I get a chance to play FS but I've heard from clanmates that HE is much more effective at range than sap since most of it ricochets or non pens.

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

@@valiandrei6743 theres been modern-ish ships for years now, such as mysore, belfast, kutzunetzov and the entire PEU DD line

[@alaxandergw3245]

Im assuming that as soon as subs come back into the game those fixed mk35 torps (torps ship came with) will be sub homing as designed?

[@bobbygeorge3698]

i have played this boat, and i like it, would recommend it as a good credit farmer..!

[@cruickshankoutdoors7575]

As a Haida player, I’m excited to get on this thing. It plays quite similarly.

[@craighuff2893]

I served on the Sherman 74 76 in operations Great Ship

[@joecorcilles2231]

What was she like as a sea going vessel?? Also thank you for your service!

[@MisterCaprisun]

You're wrong about the us shell arcs, this thing has kleber arcs.

[@hwill2453]

You are right, SLB got his facts wrong on this one. Forrest Sherman got the same Magic air Drag number is Austin and therefore the shell flight times are within a tenth of a second of ships like Grozovoi, Khaba, and Smolensk.

[@antoniohagopian213]

@@hwill2453 since they don't have ap, you can't check the balistics on fitting tool, that's why most people don't know that.

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@hwill2453 Again, I wish this info was presented in game

[@general_alexus2533]

"US shell arcs" as a con? You should realy play Gearing as a comparrison, thouse are Austin Shellarcs, and Austin shells are like the best 127mm shellarcs in the game. Airdrag coefficient (hidden stat) makes all the difference heare. You notice that when shooting at ranges on 12km+, gearings/Atlanta/... 127mm shells have a 12sek+ traveltime to that distance.

[@RabidTazmanianChihuahua]

BWAHAHAHAHA RABID CHIHUAHUA!!! I love it! Love the vids, man, keep it up! Someday I'll try to hop on and play with ya.

[@gavinprime8154]

I have the USS Edson near me. I didn’t realize how big the gearing was in comparison to the Forrest Sherman class 😂

[@lynnb.8072]

First game with this ship today; went head on against a Grozovoi. It went bow in and charged after I used smoke and the SAP wasn't effective; the HE didn't do enough. I had to turn and try to kite off just to get the rear two turrets on target. End result: I was sunk and the Grozovo only lost about half hit points.

[@lynnb.8072]

So far I'm not impressed. With only 1 forward facing turret, rear turret angles and sub-par maneuverability facing another DD head on leaves few options. It's guns are it's "gimmick" but I don't think they offset it's other odd components (fixed torp tubes, only 2 initial smoke gens., sub-average maneuverability, mediocre detectability and survivability.)

[@MartinAleksanderAksnes]

I thought this was a DD killer but I was wrong, is kinda like a light cruiser and I commited the error of putting more dakka instead of range.

[@mike393000]

I heard the torp loadout and angles were because the torps were meant to be guided like on subs until community backlash. So they pulled the guided torps and left it as is.

[@johnnynguyen9449]

Apperantly they didn’t give a shit when they gave subs guided torps

[@Mustang_Dan]

We have a forest Sherman as a museum ship here in my state. I’ve been out to see her twice so far. Was only considering her for my own personal reasons having been on a F. Sherman DD because I rarely play DD, but after seeing how annoying that 1.5 second reload is against my slow to get away Iowa, F. Sherman seems like a good ship to have. Like a mini Flint.

[@KB_13247]

which would you say would be a better buy. marceau or sherman?

[@Exar-Kun]

What free firepower containers are you talking about? As I see it you can only earn up to 50 tokens so far and you need 100 to first get one of the tier 6 ships bevore you can get one container? Did I miss something there?

[@shinkicker404]

This ship not available on the Asia server? I can’t see it in any part of the store.

[@TheRhadamanthus]

There are ships using hedgehog already in game so Sherman should have them also

[@thatinternetguyj5222]

"Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."

[@haggeoromero]

I woke up this morning at 0330, fired up my computer and was greeted with this ship for sale in the armory, I pulled the trigger and don’t regret a thing.

[@jgcrypto5485]

I struggle with taking adrenaline rush on any gunboat over main battery reload 5% or using a extra point for fearless. 0.2% reload per 1% hp lost means you have to lose a quarter of your health to get a 5% reload buff or half for 10% either of you can get with mods and captain skills from the start.

[@markgray4660]

So ready to buy a new coal ship is it this or the Marceau..?

[@jesschua9359]

Thanx for video, SLM. I have a very practical question. Can this ship be compared to tier9 coal ships in terms of credit farming? I consider putting halsey on kearsarge, can this farm credits faster??? Thx for answer

[@chrise2621]

T10 "premium" ships earn the same credits as any other t10 ship with the permanent camouflage equipped. T9s have a credit modifier that the t10s lack, so they farm credits far more effectively.

[@sealordmountbatten]

As stated above, T9 premiums get the credit modifier for being a premium AND the boost for doing damage to ships of a higher tier. But the Sherman is so good at doing damage it will print you credits. Just not at the same level as if you did the same thing in a TIX premium

[@NPC-Gamer]

We have one in my hometown as a museum ship, the USS Edson

[@HobbiesRfun]

So when will we get the USS Forrestal, as WG is getting into early Cold War era territory with their latest ships.

[@treeherder42]

Something I never liked with dds and SAP is some get SAP yet every dd (maybe German mini cruisers are different I haven't actually checked) shows the AP as SAP. So why do some dds get game SAP while nearly, if not every dd, lists its AP as SAP.

[@paulb7865]

Game balance sap is pretty strong on dd

[@taiko1237]

Most DDs have HE+AP, wdym exactly?

[@WOWSBrasil]

Money!

[@AABELAC]

Reminds me of my Friesland but better. I think I’m definitely gonna have to pick this up.

[@Chaser617]

Thing that irks me about the torp launchers is the reason they are fixed is because she was equipped with acoustic homing tops. But apparently homing tops are too op for anything but we pet money maker project submarines

[@DEATHRAGE157]

Meanwhile on the console version friesland has a 1 second reload if you build for it, i cant even imagine if we get this dd there

[@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303]

It's something like 1.4s, and you need a full build for it

[@DEATHRAGE157]

@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 aint the friesland with 1.8s reload by default? Like there is the 3 million mod, observant rage, grasy san and ding inspirations as well, i dunno dude

[@RedXlV]

I'd say only 2 charges of smoke also goes on the "cons" list.

[@deaks25]

I've seen lots of Sherman's around but only actually gone up against one directly the once, ironically in another machine gun; Druid. I was quite pleased I won that fight, but man it's tough ship to fight. I think as long as this vs Another Rapid Fire DD comes down to player skill, I'd say it's balanced enough and what I've seen looks mostly in line with that.

[@HOLO_Enjoyer]

to be fair though Druid will eat any DD alive. Only a few DDs can even trade well with it

[@MrBreakdownBoy]

The extended range is a must.

[@Pepega_Ch]

i'm kinda disappointed that the dfaa isnt exchangeable with repair party. also wtf are those terrible torp launching arcs WutFace lmao how did the CV in ur team die so early tho?

[@RedXlV]

The torp launching arcs are like that because the tubes are completely fixed. This is the first time a ship with fixed tubes has gotten them as functional armament. Ships like Hood, Repulse, and Canarias lack torpedoes because the tubes are fixed, even though they're modeled on the hulls. An option for repair party would be nice, but what I'd like is for the AA to actually be good. This ship ought to have Friesland/Smaland levels of AA, but it doesn't.

[@dongiovanni4331]

I think the torps were guided IRL for ASW work

[@RedXlV]

@@dongiovanni4331 Yes. Though the torpedoes were still capable of firing at surface ships, ASW was their primary role.

[@rendevc4414]

the CV was probably being perma-spotted by enemy CV then being focused by enemy BBs and USS United States has less than 20mm armor almost on every side so you can die soooo early if you get focused by BBs at early game because most BBs at high tier can overmatch 20mm

[@basmca1]

Quirks and features? Hi Doug

[@Correction_Guy]

Forrest Sherman: *Insane guboat at tier 10 with obscenely good shell arcs and damage* Akizuki, Kitakaze and Harugumo: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmi1nJyFmNBrq5Y

[@rendevc4414]

Oohhh.... you are a Gunboat DD all right ??? but not the dakka-est one Yeah what's the difference ?? *Haru steps out of the mouth AP DAKKA !!!

[@cirno9356]

was surv expert fixed or is it still broken ?

[@sealordmountbatten]

It has been fixed

[@DJVC1985]

Is it possible that F Shermans torpedoes were meant to be homing? That the F Sherman was supposed to be able to ping targets like a sub?

[@Panocek]

FS had fixed torpedo tubes IRL and have them fixed in game. Same with Mutsu, tier 6 BB in her early config with hull mounted fish launchers.

[@RedXlV]

@@Panocek It still annoys me that Hood, Repulse, and now Canarias don't get their hull-mounted torpedo tubes.

[@DJVC1985]

@@Panocek What does that have to do with them potentionally being homing?

[@Panocek]

@@DJVC1985 And who said anything about these torps being homing?

[@DJVC1985]

@@Panocek It's called speculation. My initial post made that abundantly clear. The F Sherman class entered service in 1955, by which time the US navy already had sonar-guided torpedoes like the MK37. So it's a valid speculation that WG maybe intended the F Sherman to have guided torps.

[@JoyousOblivion]

Thanks for the first impression! Neat to see but definitely not for me!

[@drcruelty]

Quirks and features? Doug, is that you?

[@mr.skully8787]

One c.colombo review pls

[@Valiant_Savage]

WG thought that SAP stands for super armor piercing again...

[@RISINGDRAGON557]

Omg. What a wonderful beauty. I WANT my Forrest Sherman RIGHT F....ING NOW!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@giorgio7702]

But it doesn't get US shell arcs. They are comparable to things like Kleber or Khaba...

[@sealordmountbatten]

I meant to type US shell flight time, ie the air drag. I think I zoned out and typed US shell arcs instead

[@giorgio7702]

@@sealordmountbatten Exactly, flight time is insanely good and nothing like other US destroyers.

[@Jayjay-ef2gt]

It's really beautiful, but I feel it's kinda out of place between all the WW2 ships in the game. I know there are more post-war ships in the game, but this just looks too modern for my taste.

[@arizona_anime_fan]

played against one in a gearing, sank it. trick is just don't get into a fair fight with it. the lack of a heal really kills it as a gunboat.

[@donosprey8754]

Why the reload build? Is the game still not able to process it fast enough and it's a total waste?

[@sealordmountbatten]

The issue is being fixed in 11.3, it still “works” it’s just that the reload has to be below a certain threshold for the server to pick it up

[@donosprey8754]

@@sealordmountbatten ah ok, glad it's getting fixed then cause I was never gonna redo all my 15-19 point commanders 😂

[@namelessentity5851]

"El Chihuahua de la Muerte"

[@wolvetica]

t10 friesland with sap

[@gallusace6514]

I'll wait and see, but i've came across this ship twice so far. Once in a Salem in Dirgby game mode. I was completely melted. Then came across it in CB's while in OHIO. I got completely melted. If I had been in a BB with longer heal cool down's I would have died to the Sherman alone The DPM with SAP is complete torture to play against. Both situation's I was unable to go dark and disengage. But, over all...the sap DPM output is utterly insane. I mean its normal WG'ing tactic's. Release super power creeping OP ship. Get everyone to buy it, then nerf it. I can almost say for sure they will increase the reload time within a couple patches. As soon as any competent DD players get this, they are going to have the time of there lives greifing other players.

[@S2audicoupeS2]

imo BBs need way more protection against these fast firering ships. A DD should have no way to survive an encounter with a BB in a 1vs1 in a GUNFIGHT

[@arch_2076]

Last one I met was 6km away from me facing every single gun on a conq, didn’t last long

[@gallusace6514]

@@S2audicoupeS2 I don't agree fully with this, in the original rock paper scissors format...DD'S were the counter for battleships. But when a Forres Sherman is outside cruiser radar range, in smoke while someone is spotting for him...My Salem got completely shredded before I could really react or get into any sort of cover. In the clan battle situation, there were 3 other ships and Ohio's guns were needed else where to help us win the battle. What I was amazed at was the Sherman ability to get so much damage on ohio so quickly! 36mm sap pen meant almost conistent 500-1200 (depending on rng) hits 3 every 1.5 seconds! That's 1.5-3k hp loss every 1.5 seconds! I ended the game with around 2.2M potential and most of that was the DD shooting me. It was insane. Granted we one, but it's link having smolensk in smoke farming...its very strong when it can hide and spam. In those situations it's going to be an insanely strong DD. The problem is too many ships are in the game like this now. So many strong ships that Iif a team doesn't work together to kill of targets quickly, you may as well quit and go back to port. An in random games...we all know actually helpful team play is extremely rare to find.

[@S2audicoupeS2]

@@gallusace6514 exactly. yeah the DDs where the hardcounter to BBs. but not because of their guns. this game has become too much of brainless "smoke up and dakka dakka" instead of angle, manouver, outflank. IMO the worst touch the game got was when WG introduced HE shells. this started the downfall and it just sped up over the years.

[@ryanbarbosa3220]

I've been playing the USN tier 10 CA and CL and I have been clapping forrest Sherman's cheeks

[@smh6926]

ngl, the Sherman might do quite good with that burst fire mode gimmick that Zorkiy and Annapolis and Conde has

[@nualanet]

I logged in a few days ago and WG threw me a few random free crates. Opened first crate and *BOOM* I got the U.S.S. Forrest Sherman and a 10 point skipper.

[@DJVC1985]

And today in 'things that never happened...'

[@nualanet]

@@DJVC1985 - It's in my port.

[@DJVC1985]

@@nualanet because you whaled Firepower containers.

[@nualanet]

@@DJVC1985 - I don't do pay containers. I logged in, WG said "Here ya go" and dumped three crates on me. Opened the first one and got the F. Sherman and a 10-point skipper. It wasn't on my "get next" list, but hey, I won't turn down a free gift ship.

[@DJVC1985]

@@nualanet Again, didn't happen. The only container you get this ship in is the firepower, and WG isn't handing these out. You're making stuff up, and it's pathetic.

[@QuasarRedshift]

steal their kidneys and run away - hilarious !

[@newhope33]

To be honest I am finding it pretty crappy, it's to big and sluggist to really contest other gun DDS for caps and the trops are near useless so you're left with a DD that can only really sit back and farm BB which to be frank isn't all that usefull especially if the other teams DD are able to run the caps.

[@rallius8629]

If Forrest Sherman is an 8/10, what tier 10 DD would be a 10/10? Smalland vs SAP, no contest the Smalland goes back to port.

[@KalinoursEU]

10/10 ? ragnar

[@Adplosive]

10/10 would be smaland, Ragnar, kleber or marceau probably, maybe daring at a stretch.

[@antoniohagopian213]

Depends on what you are asking. If you want the tankiest dd, Khaba. Strongest 1v1 dd? Khaba Best farmer? Harugumo and Khaba Best area denial? Z-52 and smaland This hunk of junk ain't that great at any of those. Having a fast reload on 3 guns doesn't get you that great results. Losing a turret doesn't hurt you by 1/3 but like 50% because dispersion is a thing on only 3 guns.

[@rallius8629]

@@antoniohagopian213 Was asking SLM what was his 10/10 if Forrest was only an 8.

[@Choukai_Chan]

Funny how everyone overlocks the Super DFAA...

[@MSgtRazor]

naahhh... SGM2 with double range upgrade, 17.5km range. easily fire at BB's or CA's/CB's between 15~17km while you're untouchable. wiggle that rudder

[@bulldog2000]

Eh exactly 3 guns and vulnerable turrets🤷‍♂️

[@taiko1237]

"Taking the cap and then defending it like a rabid chihuahua" LMAO

[@petersvancarek]

rabid Chihuahua :D

[@_Thred_]

Please stop saying "art department" that is incorrect theres a difference between that and modeling and graphics....that i understand is a long time term from flamu and stuff but it is incorrect theres 3 departments that do stuff in world of warships.

[@arch_2076]

I believe the term “art department” has just become the known term for all of the departments involved in modelling and texturing and researching these ships, much easier to just refer to them all as the “art department”

[@_Thred_]

@@arch_2076 yeah it just urks be a bit i dunno why i think it might be the way it sounds

[@arch_2076]

@@_Thred_ that’s all good, honestly I can see why from a 3D modelling POV but I think it’s just easier as broad term

[@aluminiumsloep]

start using "free look" button.. lolz

[@strawberrylemonade1067]

that is fletcher hull

[@KC_88631]

Trust me, Wargaming will be nerfing this ship to 2.5 seconds reload time. Whenever people complains about OP, as long as it's not Russian ships, wargaming will nerfing it on the next patch update.

[@doge4818]

Its gonna get a big ol nerf

[@tangmengtit888]

WTH

[@rendevc4414]

FIRST yay can't wait to get sherman :'D and fight people with him with my Druid

[@Mike-DuBose]

You do everything with great diligence and energy. Your dedication has resulted in such a well-deserved achievement. I trust that you will find many more such achievements ahead. Congratulations!

[@saiyajinog7424]

Druid does very well against Sherman, since it doesn't need to show broadside like ever it renders the SAP alsmost completely useless and the DPM, bigger health pool through heals etc. make it extremely difficult to win against for a Sherman.

[@GrimSix]

Wot failed to introduce modern tank and killed the game, i Really hope wowo doesn't do the same

[@Swarm509]

Last thing I want in this game is faster firing shells from ships. Such a terrible way things are going with that. Zero counter play with SAP and HE and on top of that it fires so fast it will ruin ships it runs into. Just another ship that will keep players at the back lines and farm BB's. The only disadvantage this ship has is lack of torps and a poor arrangement of guns. WG really doesn't care about the ships it will be fighting and if it is even fun to fight against. This thing should have zero other gimmicks to make up for these guns.

[@LimAu144]

You will be surprised how squishy this ship is. Its slow and so large that when ever I see one I can take out atleast one 3rd of its health before it goes dark.

[@tosyl_chloride]

From what I've experienced in the Sherman, it is absolutely justifiable to ditch CE to get AFT. Even with CE your conceal wouldn't get anywhere lower than 6.4km, so you won't be competing caps any time soon - especially with the piss-poor maneuverability you're working with (the acceleration is decent enough with the acceleration upgrade and LS, but the max speed limit is still there). So it's better to just get AFT, sit back behind a low island, in smoke, have your larger teammates be meatshields for you, or speed-juke with improved acceleration at ~14km range, and spam away. The 808m/s initial velocity doesn't seem very impressive, but remember: the Sherman has Austin ballistics, meaning velocity is excellently maintained over range, so consistent aiming at beyond 14km range is absolutely viable. As a whole, this is the build I'm using. I also ditched DE in favor of PT, since HE aren't that all reliable anyway when the SAP are just so relatively divine. wowsft.com/ship?index=PASD610&modules=11111&upgrades=133221&commander=PAW102&skills=482336&ar=100&flags=15561&consumables=1111&pos=0

[@davefromrocky]

Considering the torps are pretty well useless, this ship, being a more modern ship should have sonar equipped guidance for the torps like the subs do. It is not bad to play but it lacks the offensive power of the other DDs because of the torpedoes, give those single launch torps a homing function then we're talking

[@danh7411]

Druid and Ragnar also not having torp and still are excellent DDs:

[@JohnWilliams-sq7cj]

They were actually set with homing torps,but WG realized after the sub fiasco that the player base would be super pissed off with guided torps and the sap reload time.

[@cheungjackjackt02006]

@@danh7411 Friesland doesn't have torps at all and shes still a pretty damn solid T9 prem DD

[@derironrailfan1919]

dd mafia wants op shit

[@Rimkriger1]

So how is this actually any good for the game ? Another camping, H.E spamming, low detection DD. Just about all BB's have become points to farm. You cannot get close enough before you burn to death or eat more torpedos then a kid at a candy factory. All the comunity answers is: Git good or dodge and weave. Yeah sure just as getting away from all the shit a CV or Submarine throws at you. I remember when this was a game about ships, brawling, fighting for points and objects. These days its become a long range sniper/ machine gun fire like a girly elf 15km+ away. Just look at the video, camping behind an island, shooting over most places considered cover for a CA or BB and farming like crazy. Talk about a new fun police. This is just another gamebreaker and its gonna lead to more salty insults in the game chat, and imo a pay to win. Another sad "play" by W.G

[@nunyabeeswax2638]

I saw a story today. Doctors were attempting to save the life of a six year old Ukrainian girl mortally wounded in a Russian rocket attack on a Civilian suburb. If you continue to support Gaijin, or WG , both Russian company's proven to provide monetary support to the Russian war effort, That murdered baby is on your shoulders as well. SCREW YOU for choosing your wallet over that child's life.

[@kevinc.3579]

This ship is made for the lowlife trash infecting the game these days. There’s no skill involved in this game any longer. Just like world of tanks. Spam gold and overcome any lack of skill. Wargaming games are worse versions of themselves with every new patch and op ship release. They are fast becoming unplayable.

[@Telashar]

Let me add some facts to this video: F. Sherman has exactly the same HE dpm as Gearing (216k) but one of the highest fire starting potential, its SAP dpm stands at 324k, which is definitely at the top of the pack, losing to Harugumo, Marceau AP dpm (Gearing has 252k AP dpm, so thats 72k dpm advantage, which i significant to be sure). On the other hand I do believe it is the slowest t10 DD in the game, and 6.5km concealment is actually quite bad in itself after you realize, Harugumo can outspot you (dont quote me on that but I believe you could get it as low as 6.2km). Hydro and american smoke is a definite plus. One other thing to remember are torpedoes, 4x1 almost fixed lauchers with weird angles. I recommend checking its stats by yourself on shiptool.st/ .

[@dzello]

That's just their theorical damage per minute, that statistic doesn't matter. When you account for ballistic and look at effective damage (which is what matters), Sherman does significant more damage because it has good ballistics (unlike Gearing and Marceau).

[@Telashar]

@@dzello Ofc that is true, but i just wanted to put some numbers to the video, it is completely up to you what you do with that. I just thought it would be pretty nice to have some raw data. To be fair, F.Sherman WILL deal more than Gearing even if you just look at theoretical numbers, since it has better fire starting capability. And if you are interested, ballistics are indeed significantly better on F.Sherman, Gearing shells will travel around 5.5 seconds longer than those of F.Sherman (on range of 12km).

[@darnellreynolds8610]

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