World of Warships- The Game Is Becoming More Pay To Win

[@TheBigGiant_SpaceChiken]

´Pay to save time´ is a very good way of putting it, 100% agree.

[@quor2243]

The game is P2W. P2W is defined by selling an instant advantage over those that do not pay. Primum ships have a better baked in economy, instant advantage over others right there. Plus primum ships often have something extra their normal tech line counter part ships don't, not always, but they often do. These early access events are just greed.

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@quor2243 how does a better economy help someone win more often? I agree that early access events are VERY pricey, but they are completely optional.

[@taiko1237]

@@quor2243 It is also possible to acquire a fair amount of premium ships for free (coal is not particularly difficult to acquire), which also have the economy bonuses

[@LegionOfEclaires]

​@@sealordmountbatten I mean, technically speaking, a player who can't afford modules is at a disadvantage who can. In that regard, a better economy would help them win... lol

[@ifax1245]

@@quor2243 Seeing as these ships WILL be free in the tech tree soon that's NOT P2W... Also if the P2W doesn't give you a direct buff to sinking enemy ships, that's NOT P2W either... If you can't hit the side of a barn door from the inside then having a Desert Eagle ain't gonna help. All WeeGee is doing is selling ships to those who either can't wait or don't want to grind, I'm fine with that as those players are paying the wage bills...

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Ipiranga was not too hard to get in the event pass. The higher tiers will be tech tree and free later.

[@_nihilus7127]

My hope is what PQ said. Its that they made this ship slightly OP on purpose to really encourage players to being the meta closer again. To do that, the ship kinda does need to be a bit busted to survive being that close for that long. Over time hopefully this could bring the meta a little closer. Either way, im not paying for libertad, even though secondary brawling is my favorite aspect of the game.

[@paddington1670]

PQ for the win! Best WoWS content creator.

[@TheJoe7Six]

I watched that video. He brought up some really good points, the main one that hit me is bringing something new to the game. Otherwise we'll just get the same ships over and over again. I'm not 100% sure the new BB's will get nerfed either.

[@camerong.5989]

all making the libertad better does id push everyone else back

[@KB_13247]

honestly, it would be a genius move. i really really hate the run away meta in this game right now. it's absolutely trash.

[@meneldal]

Idk, it didn't happen with the Schlieffen even with the torps and secondaries immune to damage bug

[@tdbraun6837]

Marketing strategy: Make a techline ship way over-powered and put on early access so people get excited and buy it with real $$$. Then nerf it a few months later to re-balance the game. Let the players deal with the chaos imbalance in the meantime.

[@Frankon81]

like with Shliffen early access?

[@briancannam494]

I would like to comment on the rising costs of the chests for the collections. They are currently running the collection that gives a 10 point south American captain. you now have to get 3 duplicates to exchange for one jigsaw piece which has gone up from previous events. The number of duplicates dropping is also worrying as it seems higher than in other events Since my collection got to 40 pieces of the jigsaw needing 20 more bits I have had 30+ duplicates . I now have 44 pieces and 13 tokens (3 duplicates ) I am not a maths genius but it seems someone had their finger on the scales when dishing out the containers. So when it comes to buying the containers to make up the collection the latest containers seem to be going for 6000 coal. That makes the south American captain possibly the most expensive of the special captains by far. So at current rates that's (9 x 6000 = 54000 coal ) The other special captains cost 175000 coal. I was lucky that my collection of ships 400+ gave me lots of chances to get the chests and duplicates. someone who has not played for as long would not have such a large fleet to win the chests making the coal they will have to spend an awful lot more. Just how much coal is a 10 point captain worth ????

[@clansome]

It took me 63 tries to get him. I had estimated 61 in the Reddit Spreadsheet. One thing I overlooked was how many other containers I would get which would have saved me a lot of Festive tokens if I'd factored that in. I have well in excess of 600 ships (majority from Santa Containers in 2021), and all tech lines (except Subs and CVs) have been grinded out to T10, so Festive Tokens were plenriful thankfully. Exchange rates in Collections do vary, some are 1 for 1, these were 3 for 1 but some are 5 to 1. As to the price of coal, the only comparison I can remember was when Napoli came to the game a few years back. She was $140 or 252,000 Coal if my research is right. I'll let you do the Math(s). 😄

[@irishwind1971]

I have to agree this collection is bad. Way too many duplicates dropping. The exchange rate of 3 for 1 isn't bad. I've seen it worse. But how long will it take for the coal for crates to be available (if ever)? And by that time the Pan-Am BBs will either be nerfed, or power crept.

[@davinritcharoen9922]

Sry if I misunderstood, so 44 pieces and 13 tokens equals 57/60 pieces bc 1 token = 1 piece? And can you use coal to buy this event container, can't find it anywhere? For me who has a small fleet, I don't have enough Festive Tokens to buy all the Battle of Paso de Patria container. The only solution for me is spending real money for Aquatica Tokens to get Battle of Paso de Patria Premium container, which cost too much.

[@diegowushu]

@@davinritcharoen9922 The PdP would be put in the armory at a later date. Presumably.

[@irishwind1971]

@@davinritcharoen9922 You can't buy the crates for coal right now. But in past WG has made crates to complete collections available at later dates, and the small, non-premium ones go for coal.

[@outsidein3206]

I got this exact idea when i looked at the armoury and increase in "funny button mechanics" advantage over older accounts that dont have these ones in their line ups. Its like events are actually a store and not an event. Edit i got that Event pass new BB Freaking thing barely angled vs a T10 Yama and its a T8 ship... didnt even get dev struck. Reprehensible!

[@rabidlemming3680]

The only Pan-American battleship you can get for free in the event is the tier 8, the tokens required to buy the bundles that lead to the tier 9 cannot be earned in game, you have acquire them via random bundles using dubs. Not pay to win, but somewhat scummy. I'll be grinding these, which is no big deal really, as they seem fun, and a fun ship is rarely a grind.

[@billh7451]

I like that ships that work best in close are powerful. It might encourage a shift in the meta of BBs sitting in the back lobbing shells from 20km+.

[@douglasbampton2826]

Forgot to mention the 800 tokens needed from containersI (more doubloons) to get the special camo first - then the 20k Doubloons

[@randomstuff0331]

Make a new ship. Make it OP. People buy it. Once it’s free, nerf it. Why some can’t see this predatory tactic is beyond me.

[@bLock_c1pher]

Devil's advocate: would any Mom&Pop shop or any Mid-Size Business or Large Corp Survive almost 10yrs without charging in someway shape or form?. I see both sides. (poor man talking here). great subject matter! ty Mountbatten. take care.

[@HONGKELDONGKEL1888]

Folks usually don't understand that running servers and paying employees and creating content - ANY content- costs money. Sure the free stuff is nice but at the end of the day it's also a business. At least that's the impression that the player base gives me. But the gambling aspect of the loot boxes? Man, if you spend half your monthly wages on loot boxes you might have a bigger problem than ranting about the game being P2W right?

[@raynibbs4679]

Wow SLM, that sure sounded like bringing up a subject, talk a little sidestep, then top it off with a word salad. Tough one to put any credence in I will tell you that. The nicest things I could say about this video. Good Luck sir.

[@douglasgrove6957]

Hello, Sea Lord. It really is a little of both, but you're right about the "save time" part. A question not related to today's topic, though. I've heard you and several other WOWs creators talk about the unique Italian commander Sansonetti. How does someone acquire him? The WOWs Wiki has no information. TIA for the information, and the info, and insight, you provide.

[@sealordmountbatten]

His containers via the armory

[@douglasgrove6957]

I guess you mean the Italian cruiser containers? I'm asking because I don't remember seeing any reference to him on the list of rewards in those containers.

[@Tremors_Fist]

@@douglasgrove6957 They are called "Resolute and Rapid" containers. Cost coal, once you complete the collection he is the reward.

[@gamkem1405]

Go to the Container page in the Armory, and look at the various containers. There is one that is for acquiring Him. I want to say it’s the Fast and the Furious but not certain as I’m away from my computer. You can also look at the Containers that are for sale for doubloons and you can read about rewards for each type of container by mousing over them. o7 Mate!

[@gamkem1405]

Look at the containers by clicking on them. Just don’t buy them. There are also coal containers you can purchase or doubloons.

[@wynlord]

Funny, I just fought my way up the Pam Battleship to Tier-IX, played them for a while, had a great time and low and behold when the Lib was released all i needed to do was come up with the credits. Funny how that works.

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

You cannot necessarily buy wins continuously. But you can spend money on premium, and you can buy certain things to give you much quicker access to, and more access to, benificial things in the game. Those can effect your overall win rate. There's no way a red stat player can buy regular victories over even a green stat player. But premium time, premium ships, special tokens, and doubloons can buy advantages, even if only for the short term. Spent well, they can buy long term advantages over casual players who spend little or no cash on the game. Consider that you can buy flags, and economic boosters that apply to commander training etc. Put a full set of flags on a ship, and a commander with 10 points (or more) more skills mastered, and you have a substantial advantage over the ftp player who doesn't have those. Never mind a special commander. Yes, if you play enough, and play well enough, you can eventually get some, much, or maybe all of that by grinding. But most people with a real life will never get there.

[@boydy7351]

Okay PQ (yeah, my bad, for some reason I get you two mixed up all the time), heres a theory. Stay with me. This is a business strategy by WeeGee. They love money, who doesnt, but their whole business model revolves around 2 principles. Loot boxes (gambling), and, FOMO. Now, these are, as you correctly state, Tech tree ships. Everyone will get them, and, as you also correctly state, they will most likely be nerfed. How better to make people who are on the fence of hitting the button to purchase up the pile of dubs needed to get early access, than have the ships that insane, that someone will say yes, i will get it now. They want to be able to say (for pixel flexing, so fucking weird, but people do it) yeah, I had out back when it was OP. And many whales are willing to splash the cash, or mummy/daddy’s credit card, for this. Just a theory, one I think is quite valid. WeeGee and all of these freemium games spend a lot of time and money researching every way possible to make players splash the cash.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Uhhhh I’m not PQ

[@Markus1925]

​@@sealordmountbattenlol

[@boydy7351]

@@sealordmountbatten Yeah, my bad. Thoughts on the theory?

[@michaelc424]

@@sealordmountbatten Oh yes you are.

[@wynlord]

The fire extinguisher flag is a must now that the "Boom" is going away.

[@stanhebda5228]

No FOMO here. I'll grind it out

[@BeSh-zz4nl]

Thanks for the video SLM. One key difference that should be kept in mind regarding the Pan American BBs, is that they currently have overtuned secondaries. Secondaries do not need to be aimed by the player. All the other examples of ships that were overtuned in early access and then later nerfed required at least the skill to aim the guns. Libertad and Los Andes require significantly less ability to play the game and still do well, because their current op nature comes from a mechanic which is done automatically for you. Basically any ship within a 15km range is under threat even if the captain couldn't hit a thing themselves. So one can see why the p2w charge has been raised! On another issue: Red October event on the PT server looks like it's going to be really good. And just to mention, they appear to have added the Navarin to the Soviet Era containers, along with the new tier 9 Russian cruiser.

[@quor2243]

That might be an argument if it was easy to get a BB in range to use it's secondaries. The skill required just to know when to get in range, how to angle, how to disengage, far exceeds the skill typical in most BBs that just fire from range. Secondary ships are the hardest BBs to play currently.

[@BeSh-zz4nl]

​@@quor2243Yes, I agree when it comes to the other secondary ships like Schlieffen. It certainly requires a good deal of judgement knowing when to push. But with the two top tier Pan Americans you do have some key features that make them easier to play without so much ability. One, their secondary range is significantly longer than other ships when out to the max. Two, the penetration on their secondaries is much greater, so they melt basically anything. Three, they are much tougher armoured than Schlieffen (admittedly not GK!). Four, they have improved heal. Five, they have better torp protection than most other secondary BBs. Six, they are very manoeuvrable as BBs. So, all in all, they can survive longer if they push in and they melt other ships quicker without having to aim their main guns.

[@quor2243]

@@BeSh-zz4nl Dude, you can literally kick back near the back of the map with a Yammy or Montana and do the same damage with far less risk or skills needed to avoid risk. End of story. The short term funny button on the new BB line is not going to change the risk of being in a secondary ship.

[@BeSh-zz4nl]

​@@quor2243Well, assuming you have good consistent spotting you can! Bit of a rare commodity in this game sometimes!

[@quor2243]

@BeSh-zz4nl I'm sure you can come up with a bunch of scenarios to try and prove your point. This is one type of BB vs. another, assuming the scenarios are equal. Secondary BBs are harder to play and play well simple as that.

[@Cerberus0076]

Slowly i get the "Wg System"😅: Give them "early access"to an absolutely overturned, cracked,OP ship... Let em All buy and pay for it. After a while nerv the thing in the dust....and start all over again with the next ship. Oh...and spit out some absolute useless premium ships from time to time,but...let em grind like hell and keep em chained to the game for a handful good ships for coal and steel 😂

[@anna45333]

You don't need this. I just wanted the tier 8 premium pan american cruiser. + the camo of it. So i got 20 bundles around there. So i got till tier 9 + the camos and got the tier 8 premium cruiser with it. So it was very convenient cause it also gave me the economic bonuses + the camos and when tier 10 shows up i can just buy it with credits. So it's not so pay to win. Let alone the Pan american bbs have good secondaries but their guns suck. So they are not so OP as you claim them to be

[@Todd.P]

WG should leave things well enough alone! What does it hurt WG to make players happy?!

[@rosssuttonproperties]

I held my breath and am now grinding the new French DD line. They are really good ships and worth the effort. I can wait and do the same for this line.

[@FrostBeam009]

I do think there should be more free options to be earned in every event tbh so its not just ohh heres a random bundles event if youre lucky its there as the first one if not bohoo

[@TheJoe7Six]

Pay to save time makes perfect sense! I don't think they expect too many people to jump on these events or they don't want too many of these ships in the game yet, therefore they don't have a problem jacking up the price. If they sold the Libertad with a bonus package for the same price as a tier X premium, I think we'd see too many of them in game and I'm sure WG would get complaints everyday.

[@quor2243]

The reason I think we will see a nerf is because they most likely have a premium ship coming down the line of similar style they want people to buy. That premium will mysteriously be void of said nerf. As for this ship line I don't really see the over powered part. I just got the tier 8 Ipiranga for free as others have recently, and I feel my Bismarck is a better all around ship. Maybe the tier 10 counter parts are that much different, but these videos I have seen so far do not suggest overpowered.

[@LangeloScuro]

And peeps wonder why some of us play below tier five and avoid the higher ones.

[@rosssuttonproperties]

Always thought that players who bought tech line ships in early access were fools. But it is their money. Pay to win, I don't really think so. These ships will be there for all soon. Frankly, the only real money that I think a player needs to put up is for the annual half price premium sale that comes up once a year. It is dirt cheap and the best way to acquire excellent ships. I have been around for about six years and only once paid for a premium ship above tier 8. That was for the Jean Bart, Alaska and Mass one year for black Friday. Otherwise I have just ground out the coal, steel, or research points. Yet, I have the Black, Thunderer, Georgia, Neutrashimy, Ragnar, Gato, Ohio, Napoli, to just name a few of the great free ships in my inventory. This year alone-just by playing the game, WG has gifted my at least ten free premium ships. Some in free loot boxes during the XMas special. And them gems like the Scharnhorst 43. WVa 44, Rodchester, Leipzig and a few others. If WG wants to milk the foolish and wealthy for a bit of coin, I got no problem with that.

[@albert1101]

People spend money on many things in life. If you have it to spend go for it. This ship is absolutely worth it!!!

[@darwinism8181]

The Libertad says that 'close quarters' is 15km and that is pretty funny

[@Wolf3591701]

As I've read somewhere, WoWs is now in the final stages of it's life - the so called "Milking stage". I just wonder for how long can they pull it off... i.e. for how long do whales be whalin'...

[@sealordmountbatten]

To be fair, they’ve been saying that about WoT for three years now sooooo, idk We’re still getting a ton of free content, techline, coal/resource ships, while sure there are some VERY expensive events, it’s all still optional

[@oxishimaruxo]

It's more Pay to When, I'd need close to $200 to convert all the XP I have on my Tier IX premiums. I'll throw WG a few bucks for a battle pass or premium time but I can't get behind spending money on containers with a chance to get a random amount of whatever event token is going on.

[@YTPartyTonight]

I started playing WoWS about eight years ago and I stopped playing it about two years ago. My perspective: much focus and or spending money to get the latest ships isn’t worth it. It doesn’t take long for the pattern of releases, the chase, rebalancing/nerfs to get quite boring.

[@modica3466]

Honestly, I don't find that even P2W, just scummy and a low blow, really. Speaking of the ships themselves, I think people are overreacting. Sure, the combat structions charge a bit too fast, but that's really it. Those ships are massive, modern dreadnoughts with tons of guns all over the place, and they are also new. It is not like they S+ tier instantly. I just wanted those skins for Jurua and Rio de Janeiro. However, they are redicously pricy for NO reason at all.

[@carlosgomes8332]

In my opinion, what is pay to win in this game are special commanders and unique upgrades. I just have the special commander William F. Halsey Jr from missions and I don't have any unique upgrade.

[@leonardobaldassarre3911]

You can get almost all unique commanders by spending coal or completing their campaign so it isn't pay to win but pay to not grind, same goes for research bureau but it is locked for new players. You may argue these grinds are too extreme and yeah I'd agree with that especially for research bureau

[@fresshell3411]

the event with supercontainers is pay2win, I cant get last 17 supercontainers because I dont have any more ships and I have even used all my free exp to get tech tree ships

[@AlexLee-je5jg]

Remind me what the German BBs are the best at again? Now that secondaries are the new tech line best trait.

[@bobbygeorge3698]

very well said, i get tired of the game at times, but overall, i go back, and still enjoy the game....oh, by the way... Space Marine 2 is awesome...!!!👍🕺

[@reachhh212]

yes the game is pay to win. the premium ships are better. and cheaper premiums will get farmed by more expensive higher tier premiums. The apologists will cry about 'still need skill' and 'you can farm higher tier ships for money', but the fact is paid ships are better, instant, give you better rewards, and the more expensive and exclusive the ship the more overpowered it is.

[@l77scmaro2]

It certainly dosn't do WG's bottom line any harm to release powerful or overpowered ships and let the hype build over those new ships which they nerf later after people spend money to buy into. I mean, games like Clash Royale are pretty infamous for this sort of thing at this point.

[@bigolandrewyt3689]

No sweeping nerfs on recent premiums? Colossus players: I beg your pardon?

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@bigolandrewyt3689 this be true

[@artic6015]

The game has been like this for a few years now, its just getting worse that's all. I just keep the wallet closed now.

[@georgeszweden9497]

Wargaming is incredibly money hungry, but luckily they just keep punching the world of tanks players in the balls. Also: using credits is pay to win as players need: premium ships and/or premium time or even worse, buy credits to afford all of that. So you can afford all the "free" stuff, this is still pay to win.

[@KlausTinos]

Fully agree, they are ruining it like World of Tanks (already ruined)... and us a result there are many new players that have no clue how to play the game

[@SanBrunoBeacon]

You can't buy your way into winning in this game. With inadequate experience, you're a sitting duck. For example: you can spend a lot of money (several hundred dollars or more) buying a huge, powerful Tier-10 BB (I'm looking at you Libertad) with all of the bells and whistles and get sunk by a swarm of torpedoes in the first few minutes of the game if you do not know what you are doing.

[@davis6048]

I bought the permanent camos love them they really stand out early access. And the ship Is not to bad really.....I love the sides on all these ships. Can't wait till WG comes up with next. Looking forward to the Russian subs.......WG It would be nice to get a large cal for the American side 500mm .

[@Schorch1962]

WoWS isn`t really pay to win, but pay to progress or like you said, "pay to save time". Like the Libertad, much players wants that ship as long it looks OP like hell and pay much money for dublons to get it. But in some videos i watched a Libertad eating a few cits showing her broadside, bringing her down to around 10 % life. Ipiranga is for free, and on the first look, it looks OP. But grinding rocket hits with my Aquila in Coop, i made fun by shooting at an Ipiranga and scored a few cits with the AP rockets. And that`s the weak spot, bad AA and not much side armor. Next weak spot, she has 12 guns in 6 turrets like the Fuso, but they`re not really big guns, only 356 mm. And they`re not very precise. You need to know how to play such a ship to be successful, otherwise you`re back in port fast.

[@oxishimaruxo]

AA isn't much to write home about, and her main battery can feel lacking, but I did get her secondaries out to 10.9km. if they reintroduce a CQ playlist she would be dominant. Also does really well in Ops

[@Frankon81]

If Libertad gets a nerf after the full release its Shlieffen all over... Remember immortal secondaries during early access?

[@Lickiecat]

jokes on them. I love the grind.

[@antonygray7092]

Players start to think, "well if I spend now on the prerelease version while its OP, i'll win more games, right"?. WG SAYS NO.

[@Ugloke]

Could you show captains build when you show a battle?

[@vahngaming7107]

Whats happening to this channel? It went from criticizing wg to defending. The way they over tune this ship just to lure players into buying them then nerf them after they release is scummy. You cant justify a scummy move with another scummy move by stating "oh they did this before so its ok".

[@headlessfool7050]

yeh, he is turning into a full blown shill .

[@sealordmountbatten]

Where did I say it’s ok?

[@r1299]

Bots don't cry about op ships. Bring Back asymmetrical battles and make it permanent!

[@jeffshoesmith8047]

No one is made to buy anything it's called free will or are you a robot?!

[@sealordmountbatten]

@@headlessfool7050such a shill: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3-vZ5mmbNGkpaMsi=SoHoxS9jLjwooU5X

[@mfulkers1]

The problem is it just contributes to bad teams that results in blow out games… I’m so tired of blow out games with people who don’t know how to play the game.

[@samarthraizada]

Steel ships and RB ships are free and better than most premiums selling for real money btw

[@MrDirkhead]

This is the problem with WOW, they want you to pay money and once you have bought the ship it gets nerfed which is wrong once you have bought the ships they should not be nerfed or buffed. The ship should stay as it was when you bought it. You get premium for a day and you lose it whether you play or not. I think it should stay active for 24 hours gameplay. Also, you start getting tokens which stop before you get the chance to get the prize and then they start with other tokens and do the same thing! I used to enjoy the game but now its all take and little give. I am really not happy with them.

[@sealordmountbatten]

Jean Bart has been out since 2018 and has not been nerfed once since her release

[@Jerry-vz4ix]

I have a free account, I have paid account. The differences are night and day. It's NOT pay to save time. the matchups are different. In brawl for example, my free account is still on match one. loss rate is 90 percent. My paid account, the matchup still suck, but at least your wining games (using the same ships). It is as 'rigged' as people imagine it is. loss rate is about 15, 20 percent

[@RUHappyATM]

I see there are a lot more new players on the NA server and a lot of Liberturds.

[@thumper7047]

When Kremlin came it was the worst ship I have ever played in the game, and I have over 600 ships currently Maybe you were thinking Slava. That with the heavy AP was stupid good. Kremlin always was a POS. Kremlin guns sucked, and it couldn't tank worth a $#*t. Maybe it a good ship if you don't mind guns that can't hit anything and when they do, they don't do anything and having crap secondaries and easy to citadel - Yeah, it's a great ship.

[@carrom6056]

Please, the nerf is already there ready to go live on the servers, right now they are greasing the palms and chanting buy! buy! buy! watching sales statistics waiting for it to be over and they can slap everyone in the face that paid.

[@motaz1975]

shows how stupid we are as a player base. so in other words, we are paying THEM to test their knowingly overpowered ship.

[@danehutchins3845]

Pay to save time is a form of pay to win, my dude.

[@JPSavage84]

Explain how paying some cash to not grind as hard is the equivalent of paying some cash to have a guaranteed statistical advantage over your opponents.

[@chilled_24_75]

you know a ship is overpowered when they are banned from clan battles

[@raginasiangaming910]

Libertad is 100% pay to win. It is dramatically overtooled and the ONLY way you can acquire it is by spending real world money. In two patches that changes, but until it does it is pay-to-win without any question or debate. It also encapsulates everything wrong with WOWS. Pure fantasy and pure arcade gimmicks. It used to be somewhat tolerable but now its just gone pure fantasy-world.

[@aesirgaming1014]

Agreed on the pay to win. However, I also don't see the arcade "gimmicks" as necessarily a bad thing. I think people playing World of Warships understand that's part of the game and probably enjoy those features. Warships has never claimed to be that heavy on realism or a naval simulator. Frankly, if it were I think a lot of people would leave the game because the premise of Warships is quick battles.

[@modica3466]

Sure, bud. Wargaming advertisements alway say their games have realistic graphics, not gameplay. If you actually want to play realistic ship fighting, go play naval in war thun... oh wait! I forgot that gamemode is dead!

[@Seahorn_]

If WG asks money for a ship that is clearly as OP as the Libertad is...... then how will they justify the nerf that later undoubtely will come? WG is clearly getting/taking advantage of all the hype that this ship and ship line is getting. WG has put itself in this spot by asking money for early access to the Libertad..... it is all on them!!!!!!!!! Weather this was unintentional (yeah, who are we kidding right?) or not, this IS!!!! >>>PREDATORY

[@samarthraizada]

St vincent and schlieffen, Ohio and Yamato are all completely free and they are still the 4 best battleships in the game. Most of the really good stuff is actually free but its the "shiny new thing" syndrome for noobs who start throwing money before they even understand a single thing about the game. Then they suck and cry on the forums that the game is "play to win". Compared to other p2ws id say wows is very good. Yeah at times you get shafted with bad teams but most of the times you will do really well inspite of the team if you are a half decent player.

[@jamiefielding9898]

I wish that WG would a 50% of coal/steel ships

[@techytube7764]

wish that was the case except the teams atm oh the teams

[@charlesdix4831]

And YET AGAIN the German BB's and cruisers are screwed over yet again.. First came the rework that wrecked the German line of ships and along with some of the biggest dispersion for main guns now the secondaries can't hit the broadside of the barn. Then WoWs launches the Italian line of ships and boosted their secondaries with SAP and making them one of the best ships for secondary brawling... Now this pan-american line destroys even the best German secondary ships.. As somone who plays mostly German ships I am nearly at the end of my rope with this game.. No enjoyment whatsoever...

[@Overdoseplus]

What's worse you get better matchmaking if you spend money on the game.

[@fedefedediego3266]

Like in WoTanks, depend ship/tank you use MM assign points and put you in better battles team, because news ships got less points to completed in this calculated of MM (sorry my bad english but i know exactly how work that idea)

[@sealordmountbatten]

Then there is no reason I should be getting terrible MM then

[@paulhunt4589]

I get pink players all the time

[@lonniebeal6032]

I thought I found a Fortnite replacement, earning Commanders points is horrid. So I guess not.

[@kennysjamshack2410]

They broke me of wanting to pay for anything lol. im so happy

[@colinschenck2129]

It's been pay for advantage for YEARS

[@ellnoskitties3908]

Seriously, NOT pay to win; pay to win FIRST, which is stupid when we're talking about a tech line ship. But, hey, what is it they say about a fool and his money ...?

[@kennethsaunders7108]

can but don't have too, that's the key.

[@carllanger8873]

Multiple Smoke Bugs - Deciphering Spaghetti Code kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHjciKWMgaqokKs

[@headlessfool7050]

Great a CC made a Vid about it . I have been experiencing being perfectly well spotted in smoke, behind smoke etc . for about a week now .

[@someinternetguy955]

It has been pay to win pretty much since launch… as are most FTP games.

[@thekillermanjaro]

Paying for early access is not "pay to win" - it's paying to save time. Not pay to win at all. Have you ever played any other "F2P" game ever? You have some crazy takes, especially after all the free stuff we just got from the anniversary.

[@sedatedape315]

Conquerer match shown...I thought we might pull that off, still, @ the 14:30 mark. Just wasn't meant to be. Oh well. There were, and will be, other matches!

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

I am retired 0 money to give WG here.

Feels great since BB players need a bone thrown their way with all the BS CV's and SUBS in the game

[@hiddentruth1982]

pay to save time is a form of pay to win.

[@leonardobaldassarre3911]

no, pay to win is putting something advantageous exclusively behind a paywall

[@hiddentruth1982]

@@leonardobaldassarre3911 and buying less time is buying an advantage over someone that doesn't.

[@leonardobaldassarre3911]

@@hiddentruth1982 it's not the kind of bonus that gives you an advantage over the enemy in a game, it simply makes you experience content earlier than someone else

[@AlanRoehrich9651]

​@@leonardobaldassarre3911 If "content" is flags, special commanders, blue or green boosters for faster skill mastering, etc, that the casual ftp player can never catch up to, those become pay to win advantages. Or do you claim that a 20 skill commander and seven flags is no advantage over an 8-10 skill commander and 2-4 flags?

[@hiddentruth1982]

@@leonardobaldassarre3911 which gives you an advantage over people that don't. Captain skills are very helpful in battle. you also don't have to grind the lower level ships. Josh stife hays put out a great video on what pay to win is.

[@TheSystem030]

WG i running a business and seeing as the game is f2p they have to get money somehow right? Would you rather them spam add´s instead? Also we just got a shit ton of free stuff from sc to skins and other stuff. and yes i know they nerfed the sc but we still got em for free! i think it is time some of you found your big boy pants and suck it up!!! that goes for you to Sea Lord!

[@JamesCarlin-hr3ur]

Whiny children doing what they do best. Pay to win? No. The ships will be free. Now I suspect, but have no proof, that the new line might be nerfed. But again, this is just my feeling I have no actual proof. You can get the I Caramba for free, and I really like it. I already have the XP to immediately obtain the Los Andes when it goes live. And if you buy it now? Thanks for keeping the server bills paid. If it gets nerfed, then you got a good run out of it. It will still be a good ship. If it isn’t nerfed? Players like me will have it in a week or less.

[@grayboats7741]

Broke, so don't pay. I have sunk enough premiums to say not pay to win. Yes new ships a little op, bit they need some incentives to get people to pay. Just like I want to pay in time to help keep servers running. Do wish funds added to an account worked in all games. Set up to pay WoT Blitz, but can't apply that to WoW! Is balance off sometimes? Yes, but skill can overcome that.

[@shinnidan]

Pay to win? 🤔 well that depends on what mode you play. PVP or PVE.

[@dach829]

so d4 has an exspansion and i bet the new class will be op cause its new and its what companies do. that requires xpac to play so thats pay to win? you literally just paying early access

[@lukasmoncek9480]

u have to be mental to pay 20k dubs for tech tree. u have a problem and u need treatment

[@aurelspecker6740]

Well, if I got 250k$ income.... I would still not do it. But I do see the point. That said, I used to play EVE Online, where (few) people spent far over 10k $ to finance wars. (Totally different game economics though)

[@Aragornele]

have fun not running detoflag

[@Apollyon-er4ut]

It's kind of pay to win... for 3 months or so.

[@YogSothoth620]

imagine saying Nachimov is not godlike if we take in consideration that a Nachimov still whoops every battleships with 30k+ with only 1 strike of her planes ....... u see ? sounds kinda stupid ngl ..... and nerfed several times ?? they nerfed her acc speed and removed 1 plane of each squad which did literally nothing to her DPM ..... Nachimov is NOT a nerfed ship

[@privateer9181]

Dude with free ships like ohio..its NOT pay to win..scheiflen…buorgoyne…so much free stuff the games easy to win..

[@scootypooper]

hello

[@franz265]

Your colossus statement is dumb. Doesnt matter if the guy is afk or not you can just fly a few circles outturn the ship and still nuke the cruisers in this stupid cv. You either blow him up or he goes broadside to everyone nice design.

[@sealordmountbatten]

It’s really not that easy, especially with the firing delay, ESPECIALLY after they nerfed the Colossus

[@thumper7047]

THe mosdt expensive by far ship is also one of the worst in the game - Kitakami. Kitakami is absolute trash and is by far the worst t10 CA in the game.

[@crapmalls]

The more they make it pay to win the more i ram and hit battle on

[@r1299]

People that can play more than an hour a day are pay to win. Time is money, if you can afford to spend hours playing wows everyday you have an unfair advantage over other players. I can keep going. Life is pay to win. It's also not fair. I'm good with that. Stop whining and getting ships nerfed FFS.

[@Raycer84]

Anyone that complains about pay to win in this game is just jealous because you have something they don’t, that they want and either can’t afford to shell out X amount of dollars to buy some dubs or dont wanna spend the time to grind their way to where they need to get to. Welcome the millennials and GenZ kids to the game, they all got trophies for just showing up and doing nothing, while us Gen Xers that play the game actually had to work to get our trophies. Nobody wants to work to earn what they deserve. Thus the phrase “pay to win”. Why do the work when I can just buy it.

[@geraldleuven169]

What I don't understand is why you, as a Wow content creator, keep advising people not to spend money on early access ships because by doing so you are preventing Wargaming from making money. In result they will either introduce pay 2 win mechanics or they will scale down their game. Both outcomes are not favorable for the majority of players. Why would you advice people against buying any stuff at all ? If people want their early access ship and they are willing to pay for it they invest in a game we all play so we all benefit.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Most WoWs content creators advocate for spending money in the game. They tell you to use your birthday coupon to buy dubs and use the dubs for the half off premium time at Christmas and the Black Friday ship deals. They just don’t want you spending hundreds of dollars on one ship. In the end, whales are gonna whale. Normal people shouldn’t waste their money on the early access schemes.

[@sycology2486]

This game sucks still playing

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

WoWs is objectively not pay to win. It’s pay to skip the grind. If you are a low skill player, no amount of money will make you a good player. You have to learn skills to be able to win. Even Libertad isn’t invincible. If you push right in you are going to die very fast.