Try explaining any of this to anyone that believes this stuff, but isn't intellectually honest with themselves let alone anything else. They will not listen. No matter what you say, they always try to think of some little thing, and then act like that thing not only disproves everything you just said but also proves they were right all along. I once had a 50 post thread just trying to explain that the H blocks at Puma Punku are not identical and do not possess perfect angles, and I could not do it. No matter how hard I tried, no one would accept that the actual real blocks at Puma Punku do not possess the attributes credited to them: it was impossible for them to believe that the blocks are not perfect, because that is how they have been described to them and to believe otherwise is to realise the people that described the H Blocks as perfect were lying to them. That is the crux, in my view, the people spreading the information don't care if they lie or who they lie to. The people believing the lies do care however, they really do not want to be the person that was lied to. I was that person, but I just accepted I was duped, and moved on. I really see no shame in it, these theories are intriguing, it's now wonder people believe in them. There's just too much dishonesty and that is where we all have to draw the line. When you find out that someone is lying to you, you can't ignore it and you have to act accordingly. It is easier to deceive someone, than to show someone they have been deceived. Don't be that person.
@thealexanderbond8 ай бұрын
You're right, for some people it's a waste of time. There's a certain mentality a minority of people have where they get pleasure from thinking they're in this tiny club who know something other people don't, they enjoy the martyr complex fantasy that the mainstream is against them. They don't even care about reality or evidence, that's not the point, it's about being in 'the club'.
@memesurrectionist51126 ай бұрын
You’ve personally inspected the stones at Pumapunku? Try explaining any rational thought to anyone that believes the elitist bullshit narrative of mainstream academia, but isn’t intellectually honest with themselves let alone anything else. They are too conceited to listen. No matter what you say they always try to quote some asshole from some no name college that no one has ever heard of and then act like they are the end all be all authority on the matter without considering that these morons they so dearly love have a vested interest in protecting their precious narratives which is de facto protecting their precious degrees and concealing their insecurities.
@MrEiht2 ай бұрын
Well, if you have a person which hears 3 hours "Ben has no arguments" and STILL thinks Ben HAS arguments, YOU should run.
@TheSkyFallTronic21 күн бұрын
The same thing backwards, if nobody can reproduce even a fraction of what was done, how can people be so "sure" how it was done. Hitting stones together? That is the most genius thing ever...
@AntonSmyth-od6rc16 күн бұрын
@@TheSkyFallTronic 😂 Dense
@MisterRorschach902 жыл бұрын
Alternative theory: all the sand in Egypt is actually just the left over stone material from grinding 24/7 for thousands of years. Lol
@hristoborisov37132 жыл бұрын
It would probably have taken about that much time and effort.
@ahklys13212 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that'd be about right too.
@markokrsmanovic25622 жыл бұрын
As they say "Grind like an Egiptian".
@hristoborisov37132 жыл бұрын
@@markokrsmanovic2562 who says thatXD
@ronfrederick15952 жыл бұрын
@@hristoborisov3713 the Egyptians.
@zibacherzad2844 Жыл бұрын
There is an Iranian joke I think you might find funny, an Italian and a Iranian are walking by the coliseum and Italian guy finds a piece of wire on the ground. He showed it to the Iranian guy and says “ you see this wire? This shows Romans had telephone lines 2000 years ago!” The Iranian looks at it for a minute and then replies: you won’t find any lines in ancient Iran, we used mobile phones! Lol
@darthvadar2757 Жыл бұрын
Priceless.
@PupitoManuel Жыл бұрын
😂🤣💨 beautiful
@rachelhenderson2688 Жыл бұрын
Great! I like it!
@malachi5813 Жыл бұрын
😅😅 there's an Armenian jokes like that too lol
@mejsjalv Жыл бұрын
Terrible, but funny 😆
@timtheskeptic11475 ай бұрын
Well, spouting off about how it's impossible to move large objects is a great way to avoid people asking you to help them move furniture.
@LonJangstone2 жыл бұрын
I am an experienced stonemason with experience carving a vast array of stone types in the UK, and North America. What the ancients have constructed, is utterly astonishing. I would love to go back in time and witness the skills they used.
@BananaMana692 жыл бұрын
@@sweetsourpork111 Granite and Marble are not even comparable in terms of hardness.
@BananaMana692 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmccloud905 The original commenter is a stone Mason and he os amazing by the carved granite in Egypt, the reply said to look at the marble statue of David see what a human and chisels can do, and I am saying that comparing doing work by hand on marble and on granite is not something you can really compare because granite is much much harder then marble.
@BananaMana692 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmccloud905 I just told you what I'm saying. I can be more specific. Marble ranks as a 3 on the Mohs scale of harness, granite is a 7. So when the original commenter is marveling at granite carvings in Egypt, and the reply is well just look at what people did with David it's not a real comparison as the material to make David is half the hardness of the material the original commenter is marveling over. Is that clear enough for you?
@Wanderpupil2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffmccloud905 have you ever wondered why Michelangelo always use Marble in his stonework? , he could use granite wouldn't he?
@koltoncrane30992 жыл бұрын
Jeff You don’t need to be a freaking stone mason to know stuff. The weekend backpacker rock collector or anyone taken a geology course knows granite is harder then marble. The POINT is that ARCHEOLOGISTS say that the ancients carved granite using COPPER or bronze as they didn’t have steel back then. Ya there were awesome carvings in marble even back in Greece I believe, but like for hard rock you need harder tools for quality work. It’s like using a cheap drill bit. Ya you may get a hole or two before ya break it rededecking a semi trailer for instance. But more expensive drill bits last longer and is cheaper long run and you have less down time. Like the inside of the pyramid has a granite tomb that’s pretty much perfectly square and level and they did that with crude bronze tools. It’s just like it’s extremely unlikely the quality of job done could be done with crude tools not meant for the job. But then again maybe they did have steel and were being lied to. Why does egypts museum have a display of boomerangs found in a tomb and why was cocaine found in a tomb? Maybe they grew and made cocaine there and made boomerangs but it’s unlikely.
@mttdms3 жыл бұрын
Id love to see someone replicate a massive granite coffin with bronze and copper tools. Honestly, not being facetious, just want to see it done.
@Griffin-rl5hy3 жыл бұрын
Haven’t you seen sculptures of perfectly accurate people in granite and marble?! Just think bruh
@Imperiused3 жыл бұрын
Experimental Archaeology is always really cool, almost without exception.
@javiersoto52233 жыл бұрын
@@Griffin-rl5hy it is impossible to shape granite with copper. Why is that hard to understand?
@samkostos45203 жыл бұрын
@@javiersoto5223 Because they don't understand the concept of using Silica sand as an cutting medium. Sand is quite high on the Mohs scale.
@Kowzorz3 жыл бұрын
@@javiersoto5223 Bronze, though... You gotta remember there were alloys of copper long before tin-bronze was discovered too. Arsenic-bronze is the one that most readily comes to mind.
@MatthewSmith-wv5fi Жыл бұрын
The polishing arguments ruin my brain. We literally use sand to this day. If we want a finer polish, we use ever smaller sands and start mixing it with liquids.
@SimonMester11 ай бұрын
Every time I see these ancient high tech or alien claims, I can tell it's made by people who have never worked with hand tools in their lives. I have polished a rough river stone into a perfect oval pearl as a gift to a loved one. I did it with hand sanding with Diatom earth and oil mixture for the fine polish. The rough sanding was done via pulverized rock. I wanted to do it all by hand as a show of love. Took me about 20 hours of sanding by hand. Yes, you need massive forearms for this, but guess what, that's entirely possible to have. The secret ingredient is not high technology, but patience, blood, sweat and tears.
@darksidegryphon53939 ай бұрын
Nowadays, the sand is usually glued to a piece of paper.
@methylene58 ай бұрын
Actually, the polished surface won't last, any geologist will confirm that. The feldspar in the granite degrades, especially when exposed to the elements. Yet the Egyptian rose granite has retained its polish for thousands of years. Sorry if that further ruins your brain.
@MatthewSmith-wv5fi8 ай бұрын
@darksidegryphon5393 Yes, and it's graded. A modern convenience.
@MatthewSmith-wv5fi8 ай бұрын
@methylene5 and yet there are 2000 year old polished statues and building etc.
@Youri6369 ай бұрын
1:16:26 “I have done it dry, I have done it wet, and wet is much better” Couldn’t agree more
@blitzgott_6 ай бұрын
I said the same thing 🤣
@anthonyfoden938224 күн бұрын
You are talking about sex, right?
@snarkophagus5 ай бұрын
your patience is astounding, the original video is so frustrating but the way you approach it openly is the best way to address this type of thinking. kudos for trying to make everyone smarter
@Tallorian24 күн бұрын
Sometimes I wonder if they deserve such attitude. Because ignorant narcissists and scammers perceive respectful conversation as an admission of their intelligence, if not their superiority. But dumb kids who misbehave should get a dunce hat and be put in the corner, instead of getting encouragement.
@KasumiRINA15 күн бұрын
Several months and I still can't finish this video, I am two hours in and these guys made a compelling argument on pro-choice and me change my mind on eugenics - people who believe pyramids were built by aliens should get free vasectomies, full stop.
@zombiedeathrays8862 Жыл бұрын
Within woodworking mass produced items use large tools, individual woodworkers use an array of power tools. That's the camp I'm in. Then there are people who build only using hand tools. It is a completely different skill. Finally there are folks who build with only antique hand tools. Just saying you are a woodworker does not mean that you would have expertise or be able to weigh in across all these practices.
@dannyhussain5489 Жыл бұрын
A very good point
@D64nz Жыл бұрын
Very well put. As they say, you need the right tool for the job. And the term woodworking is almost as vague as the term sea creature. What kind of wood? What size is the project? Is it a building on land? Is it a ship at sea? Is it indoors like a table, or outdoors like a pagoda? Does it need to be strong like a spear, or flexible? Does it need to be hard wearing or carry heavy loads like a bridge? Unless I'm mistaken I think the term is very broad indeed.
@JustIn-mu3nl Жыл бұрын
And even our recent past show differences, my grandfather would do things completely differently to how I would (I having been a cabinetmaker), just in 60-70 years there's a big change. Even consider someone in agricultural areas compared to cities, they also do things differently. I find the whole notion of high tech ancients offensive, doubly so that he is Australian.
@johnnymac6242Ай бұрын
Stonemasonry is the oldest trade. Every day, I split stones the same way humans have done for thousands of years, with wedges and chisels. Saying that a stonemason wouldn't know how to dress a stone how they used to is ignorant. Hammer, chisel, level, trowel, string. Thata all you need and thats all you've ever needed. Anything else is extra.
@KasumiRINA15 күн бұрын
They also absolutely had some degree of conveyor work, in fact Egyptian temples are specifically known for controlling the grain supply and agricultural industry, that's how you make a civilization! And when building they had brigades and work gangs, foremen etc., it wasn't just individual artisans doing things because they liked, they would hire people to do jobs as part of taxation system, labor tax was a thing. Doesn't mean one worker made one item, you would spend your work hours on projects you were assigned on, it wasn't too different from the time 300 years ago right before industrial revolution made factories automate more processes.
@kintenkinten Жыл бұрын
One of the main red flags people should keep an eye out for when watching videos of different theories in any science is “we’re told”. You’re not being told anything. There’s a leading edge of current theories and explanations, sure, but that’s not the same as dogma. Please understand this.
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
"We're told"...... = followed by nothing. Academia quantifies its claims via evidence and sourcing. "Alternative" on the other hand is mostly unsubstantiated "innuendo" and allusion. It is all _"I think......I feel......I believe......."_ - or "we" as you say = but little else. 🤔
@scoon21178 ай бұрын
These people are just pathologically anti authoritarian and disagreeable.
@joshridinger34075 ай бұрын
maybe within the profession, but lay people are in fact expected to believe what experts tell them on faith (because only experts are competent to interpret the data).
@tzvikrasner60735 ай бұрын
To paraphrase Professor Dave (hey, that rhymes): History isn't dogma. You're just stupid.
@helenr4300Ай бұрын
@@joshridinger3407general education should give us the skills to evaluate cases put before us. Yes there are insights that come from a person spending 30 years studying a tiny corner of knowledge. But the ability to assess whether a presentation is justified by the evidence thus far or not is available to the layman. Citations, consensus, level of evidence versus 'some people suggest'. Sadly I feel that general education about the scientific method and evaluation of historical sources is lacking and so people don't feel equipped to question either mainline and alternative ideas. And so the choice who to believe ends up as a reflection of other dynamics.
@magnuskehr362511 ай бұрын
I had to sand/polish a stone with sand paper and leather to a mirror-esque shine before in, like, 5th grade woodworking class. Not really that unbelievable if a bunch of 12 year olds can do it
@TheSkyFallTronic21 күн бұрын
try your hands on granite
@KasumiRINA15 күн бұрын
@@TheSkyFallTronic granite is easy to polish, yes? You can literally see people doing it on KZbin. With sandpaper... guess what Egypt had a lot of? SAND.
@TheSkyFallTronic14 күн бұрын
@@KasumiRINA I can agree with all of that, sand's hardness is enough. However, I think a definitive proof would be to replicate 1 single column, vase, sarcophagus with similar precision, given the same tools. If everybody is so sure how everything was done, why nobody can reproduce a complete item. Cutting 1 cm into granite and calling it a day isn't proof of anything. I am sure the ancients could have created something like that, but the volume of items with insane precision, the amount of labor to pull them hundreds of kilometers, to cut all of that and structure it. Mathematically it doesn't make sense (not only granite but limestone) for the timescale: cut, move, shape and assemble 1 block every 5 minutes for 25 years 24 / 7. Casually having 360000 men working on it. Having to feed them, motivate them, teach them the technique. Ancients didn't have "time" at all as people say. Constant wars, famine, droughts, sickness and so on. I'd like to see a group of people with any tool imaginable that the ancients "could" have had cut 1x1x1 meter limestone block (doesn't matter how many people). Then divide the amount of people by 2 and the time it took them by 2 (so the ancients were 100% more efficient) and calculate the 360000 men and 25 year time period if it makes any sense. Now that is a scientific experiment and approximation. Damaging the side of a rock and saying "yep, this is how it was done" is nothing. No art in the pyramids, no pyramids in the art. Every example of "writing" on the precisely cut granite looks like a 5 y. o. scrabbled their name on Mona Lisa. I agree with logical deductions but certain modern ideas are just ridiculous. They cut stones by pounding them with other stones? For what? An eternity?
@jellyrollthunder3625 Жыл бұрын
This video literally changed my life. I used to be heavily invested in all of these alt. history narratives pushed by the likes of UnchartedX, Ham Grandcock, Christopher Dunn, etc. etc. etc. Just being exposed to a fraction of the nuance these charlatans were INTENTIONALLY leaving out was enough to make me feel deeply embarrassed for not looking into these claims on my own.
@wout123100 Жыл бұрын
nah, not your fault, be glad you know better now...and always factcheck with real knowledgable people, not amateurs.
@jellyrollthunder3625 Жыл бұрын
@@wout123100 Well I was assured by the people with all the books to sell and clicks to bait that these scholarly professionals couldn't be trusted because were all just a part of some big spooky academic conspiracy to do basic fact-checking and ruin everyone's fun.... I mean "hide the truth".
@PercocetPete11 ай бұрын
Look at it this way, you turned around and wanted to learn more. That's learning, doesn't matter if you start on the wrong path
@sksk-bd7yv9 ай бұрын
Foolish is refusing to learn. Wize is admitting a fault, and learn from it.
@irenebecker48159 ай бұрын
Congratulations!
@valritz14893 жыл бұрын
"Most scholars DREAM of upsetting the status quo!" For real! The reason most studies and papers are revisions of recontextualizations of specific niche elements of single topics isn't because modern scholarship is cowardly and hidebound, it's because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. This isn't the Wild West anymore, a single psychologist can't just claim that there's a secret shared unconscious all people are hooked into that feeds them ideas and be made a household name. (Thanks a lot, Jung.)
@joetotale63543 жыл бұрын
"extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence," is unscientific drivel. They require the same amount of evidence. Ironic you got that wrong because you probably fancy yourself as a scientist.
@joetotale63543 жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein Bit deep, wasn’t that?
@joetotale63543 жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein u sayin i might die cos of dis?
@joetotale63543 жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein hard to say, how can one know?
@joetotale63543 жыл бұрын
@@GroberWeisenstein I can count how many limbs I’ve lost on the fingers of one hand. Actually no I can’t.
@karsten115532 жыл бұрын
This guy seems surprisingly surprised that the peoples of the stone age knew a hell of a lot about working with stone.
@lostpony48852 жыл бұрын
Almost like we forgot a lot of it having moved on to metals
@manictiger2 жыл бұрын
@@lostpony4885 Metal-working is much harder, yet we make jet engines with super alloys and parts tolerances so tight, it'd make a German blush.
@MrAwesomeBikerDude2 жыл бұрын
@@manictiger Jet we still don't move heavy rocks like they did or build using polygonal masonry. Could it be that it's harder then it looks?
@manictiger2 жыл бұрын
@@MrAwesomeBikerDude We don't have any reason to. Engineering is usually about keeping costs down, while still complying with code (so it's not so cheaply made that it kills the occupants). Ancient people were amazing, but if we can machine hardened cannons to send shells 30 miles with almost perfect precision, then we can probably get that kind of perfection out of stone, too.
@MrAwesomeBikerDude2 жыл бұрын
@@manictiger Did we made the cannons using hammers? No we used machines to get that level of accuracy.
@tembry6886 Жыл бұрын
. I read somewhere that it was incredible to believe that so many pyramids were made across the ancient world. Someone opined, "Yet beavers across the world make intricate dams and have never met each other"
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
🤭 Yup. Of course it helps when they are = all beavers...... Thus all humans are endowed with the same capacity for "pattern recognition" - it being the basis of much of our knowledge. We see things in the world around us and are able to "make connections" which help us to learn. So a "pyramid" is nothing more than stacking blocks one atop another in a tapering fashion. It has the added benefit of being a stable structure. Finally it can be viewed as "a man made mountain" which is important considering ancient man ascribed greatness to such things. Moral of the story: give a child with no understanding of geometry blocks to play with. After a time using trial & error and the aforementioned pattern recognition they will eventually create pyramidal shapes. So the only thing "strange" about seeing pyramidal structures built around the planet by otherwise disparate cultures = is that some feel it is supposedly strange.
@sampagano205 Жыл бұрын
Beavers are really social creatures that will know the other individuals in their local area.
@morningstar92338 ай бұрын
@FreedaPeeple-in2mn Yep. I've often thought the ancient architects of the pyramids would be equally staggered and baffled by modern skyscrapers. Maybe they'd think aliens must've made them.
@T61APL898 ай бұрын
oh dear lord... the ancient aliens were the beavers the entire time
@RostislavLapshin2 жыл бұрын
10:06 11:24 14:18 27:44 2:41:32 For those who are interested in the topic of polygonal masonry. A number of methods for obtaining the polygonal masonry are proposed. The basis of the proposed methods is the use of clay/gypsum replicas, reduced clay models of stone blocks and a 3D-pantograph, as well as a topography translator. The results are presented in the article: “Fabrication methods of the polygonal masonry of large tightly fitted stone blocks with curved surface interfaces in megalithic structures of Peru”. I do not provide a direct link, because KZbin does not allow a comment with this link. Search by the article title.
@electricsuitbatman2 жыл бұрын
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@wrathmachine76092 жыл бұрын
Wow primitive Palaeolithic people could do all that but its crazy to assume they had iron tools
@davepowell71682 жыл бұрын
@@wrathmachine7609 Cairo museum
@davepowell71682 жыл бұрын
Cairo museum has ancient Egyptian iron cog bits, also Arsenical copper (bronze) tools are as hard as mild steel.
@mmercier09212 жыл бұрын
@@wrathmachine7609 no evidence of iron tools in the excavations. An inconvenient fact.
@shawnwales6962 жыл бұрын
I used to supervise construction projects, snd I can tell you from personal experience that the amount of labor required to do work depends a lot on culture. Working in Italy, I observed that some work was done in a manner that in the US wouldn't have been done the same way. For example in the US, most cities have large street sweeping machines. In the city I lived in, street sweeping was done by hand with straw brooms. Not because they lacked access to street sweeping machines, but because the focus is providing jobs. Using a machine would only employ one or two people, but sweeping by hand employs dozens, and requires no skill. If efficiency is not your priority, if you have plenty of labor, technology is not required, just persistence.
@oakstrong12 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what is happening in service sector in the developing country I live in. Humans are cheaper and easier to replace than tools when they wear out or become unsatisfactory. Moreover, you can move a worker to do another job without modifications to the "machinery".
@samiamtheman73792 жыл бұрын
And back then, they didn't have nearly as complex machines, so they had lots of people working on it.
@BoboMcBooboy2 жыл бұрын
Great point Shawn... wasn’t missed on me, thanks!
@ne0nmancer2 жыл бұрын
The guy made an argument about sanding and polishing the granite, and how long it would take for it to be done manually, so they just had to have used power tools. Imagine how many labourers they could commission to do this simple task, and just how many hours they spent doing it daily, does he think they had labour laws dictating how many hours they could work for, or how hazardous the environment could be? They probably spent most of their day doing this, labour was replaceable too, so they could overwork people all they wanted, no need for power tools, just expendable labour.
@Prod-23 Жыл бұрын
That doesn't account for the precision.
@SeidellNorbel2 жыл бұрын
Being in construction myself, one needs to realize that even with power tools, for cutting metal and/or stone and masonry, the cutting blades or drill bits are either hardened or with saws, are coated with abrasive materials....
@tbohtwentyone2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mitchell. On the Giza plateau there are off cut stones and partial cuts.. What do you suppose cut these stones leaving a kerf of ~4mm and a ~13 ft diameter ? The images indicate single point action vs grinding. I would love to see the machine and blade(?) that cut that stone.
@ivokolarik82902 жыл бұрын
Hi Barry pendulum? So you wouldn't meet that large blade but about a foot pass penetration
@tbohtwentyone2 жыл бұрын
@@ivokolarik8290 Hello Ivo, I think a pendulum would not make such even toolmarks. I'm thinking a disk with single points such as a modern circular saw with tungsten carbide, just scaled up to 13' and with diamond or some other stone for the cutting tips. Where are those tools.
@giupiete65362 жыл бұрын
@@tbohtwentyone 'humans' learnt that pissing on things can be useful ('acids') long before the discovery of fire(what chemistry can do - it can undo). Gravity and it's effects are apparent to everybody, they don't need equations(gravity fed acid.) Also - friction cutting doesn't need stone or metal...
@tbohtwentyone2 жыл бұрын
@@giupiete6536 There is no evidence of acids used to cut stone in Egypt. The Inca may have used it to finish the joints and faci g block for their walls. They were big into mining and there found use for the acids that resulted in their refining processes.
@baarniАй бұрын
Being someone who has worked in the metal and quarry industries for more than 30 years I can definitively say Ben Vankerkwyk is talking out his ass and has no idea what he’s talking about…
@varyolla435Ай бұрын
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@taylort12326 күн бұрын
metalworker here myself. bens so out of his element its insane
@bow-tiedengineer44532 жыл бұрын
"the writing is never polished" yes. like on modern gravestones, where the letters are sometimes left rough, so that their different texture stands out against the polished stone. I guess our society must not have the advanced technology needed to polish the letters on all of our graves.
@lostpony48852 жыл бұрын
Its almost like a workman found the object prepared to a higher precision and scrawled something less advanced on it. Good example with grave stones
@mikebaker24362 жыл бұрын
@@lostpony4885 You clearly didn't understand what Bow-tied is saying here. The lack of finish is on purpose.
@zross33572 жыл бұрын
The irony 🤣
@ivayloivanov37442 жыл бұрын
They are left rough on modern gravestones, because the relatives of deceased didn't think it necessary to pay shit a lot of money for polished engraved letters or they didn't have the money. For example rich people tend to play extra for piece of art grave stones with polished mirror like surfaces and silver/gold engraved letters or some kind of extravagant sculpture grave stone. And as far as I know the Egyptian Pharaohs where the rich one and I guess they required the finest work from the most skilled sculptors.
@KasumiRINA14 күн бұрын
@@ivayloivanov3744 most of pharaohs graves are unfinished... because, guess what, when people die, they can't wait for sacophagus to get the final touches, they were buried as is. But sure, keep believing it was all ALIENS. You guys need Jesus... or at least Amun.
@MohamedElkammar Жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work.
@WorldofAntiquity Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the support!
@frankenstein6677 Жыл бұрын
There's been a similar case here in Brazil lately, where an ancient Amazon basin civilization has been unearthed. And they apparently had an "ancient high technology" known as agri-forest (which is apparently the reason why, when the forest re-grew after their mass-death by European diseases, so many useful plants remain). But the mainstream media did a shit job of reporting the findings, and now many people treat it like they just found the Amazon's Atlantis. It's been really hard to tell people who are ignorant of the actual finds about the discovery, without sounding crazy in the process.
@noelhalwick1568 Жыл бұрын
Yes I saw that. Amazing to me it wasn't like front page news all over earth. My understanding is that there's absolutely no way , scientifically speaking, that so many useful trees plants bushes, grow in the way they do. The only explanation is they were cultivated. Interesting. Very interesting
@paulholloway1599 Жыл бұрын
They dug all their waste into the ground, and eventually it became fertile soil (called terra preta), a process that was probably accidental at first. It's clever, but not exactly what most people understand as "high technology". It does seem as if early European descriptions of large populations all along the Amazon were correct, after being dismissed for centuries. Tragically it seems that European diseases killed the vast majority of these people before Europeans even penetrated their territory, so when they did, the rain forest had already taken over their settlements, so it was assumed those early descriptions were travellers' tales..
@martincooper8289 Жыл бұрын
@Paul Holloway Terra Preta isn't the result of just burying their waste into the ground. We still do that today. It appears to have come from leaving smouldering embers there for an extended period of time kept lit/smouldering burning away, or so it's believed nobody is 100% sure. There are efforts by brazilian companies trying to recreate it at the moment.
@RonioFOX Жыл бұрын
Estou por fora, qual o nome?
@ghz24 Жыл бұрын
@@martincooper8289 biochar aka activated carbon.
@piyusarkar3065Ай бұрын
We need to remember before industrial revolution, things used to take time. Something as basic as a piece of clothes used to take days. We still have weavers who are breeding silk worms to get the silk, spun the thread and weave the piece of clothing on a handloom for months for a single garment they're probably gonna sell for $200-300 (for really really less if it's cotton instead, even though the labour is barely any less) And those temples and pyramids were so significant part of their culture and traditions. It's really not that hard to believe they would collective spent years and generations (especially if that's their source of livelihood) to make it happen
@AntonSmyth-od6rcАй бұрын
Indeed. The mysterious lost technology of Ancient Egypt is patience 😂
@varyolla435Ай бұрын
Yes. A lot of the tech we take for granted today was developed to facilitate commercial production since we have created an economy for ourselves built upon _"consumption"_ and mass production. Thus as you alluded to whereby once many hands were employed to say weave cloth eventually someone came up with the idea of an automatic loom which could produce more cloth more quickly reducing the effort and workforce needed. Moral: what matters is that loom still worked upon principles developed in the past......... Technology often is created to = improve upon existing method as opposed to coming up with some new novel production technique. LAHT only sees "the tech" and does not consider how and why it came into fruition.
@tinkertalksguns72892 жыл бұрын
In the last year more evidence has come to light about Gobekle Tepe. The official report late this year (2022) from the people working the site indicates that they have now found domestic structures in proximity to the ritual structures. Separate as expected, but right next to them. I have watched the academic community's evaluation of the site evolve continually as new evidence was uncovered; they are hardly 'sticking to the conventional paradigm' here. Work at other nearby sites has produced evidence of a wide-spread culture in the region inconsistent with a hunter-gatherer model in terms of territory and population, and professionals commenting on the site are starting to seriously consider that they practiced agriculture. Naturally they are reluctant to commit to this position in the absence of concrete evidence, but they are open to the idea and are simply waiting for data to confirm it before committing. That's called 'science,' not a conspiracy or cover-up.
@tinkertalksguns72892 жыл бұрын
I do believe that the history of humanity is more complex than we can currently demonstrate, but I haven't seen evidence of cultures in deep antiquity producing anything that they could not have created with the tools we KNOW they had. Experimental archeology has demonstrated techniques for producing many of the features attributed to high-technology using only the sorts of tools we know people of these periods possessed. You can find videos here on You Tube documenting those efforts. Is civilization by some definition older than previously suspected? The evidence seems to indicate that it may well be. Is it possible that even older civilizations will be discovered? Sure, why not? Will they use 'advanced technology?' In terms of our understanding of the tools of their era it's possible. Not all societies progress in technology at the same rate. Some societies inevitably developed tools and techniques before others. In this instance stone-age tools and techniques, not machinery.
@vids595 Жыл бұрын
"Work at other nearby sites has produced evidence of a wide-spread culture in the region inconsistent with a hunter-gatherer model in terms of territory and population" Not true.
@jdonproductions Жыл бұрын
@@vids595 Yeah, I think 'evidence' of population currently can be left up to how one would interpret the uses of settlements found at GT. Unless there is new evidence that I've not seen yet.
@garym7989 Жыл бұрын
Being open to data is 1 thing. Instantly parroting the standard propaganda, that criticizes the most obvious issues that are contrary to the propaganda is called bias NOT Science.
@DrStench13 Жыл бұрын
@@vids595 That is true, though.
@Anth369 Жыл бұрын
It’s telling that Ben never responded to this, considering it’s a thorough detailed and length debunking that easily makes its case. It’s also telling that he deletes any mention to this video on his KZbin channel. Well done on such a thorough effort - I learned a lot!
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
To respond would require knowledge of the subject far beyond anything he feigns to have........ It would also further open him to additional exposure of said lack of understanding. Thus Ben like all monetizers of the "alternative" schtick off no meaningful engagement. Their game is all assumptive "innuendo" to leave the viewer filling in their own blanks based upon their own ignorance and fantasy-based assumptions. There is no compelling argument for that - nor defense really. They are purveyors of rhetoric and sophistry.
@RockKnocker17 Жыл бұрын
Ben has been running around and creating a lot of new content. Why waist time replying to century old academic arguments? All of Ben's work has been countering these arguements, you want a reply video??? he already has a full channel of them. And the whole monetization and scamming accusation is the most pathetic, Ben's work and many others is FREE. How much do Universities charge to dogmatically protest Clovis First!! Or that The Great Pyramids were made before a wheel barrow??? You mainstream academic hardliners are the egotistical dogmatic lunatics who think native people are savages who know nothing of history, you would support priests for burning people who say the earth is round.
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
@@RockKnocker17 ginning up new rationalizations for what are fundamentally = the same arguments - is not "new content". It is simple "obfuscation". If you want an analogy: _"Intelligent Design"_ That is where the Creatards "fluff up" their Creationist worldview via junk science claims to try to make it appear as scientifically plausible. Remove that "filler" and you are left with the same old argument...... Moral of the story: adding "new details" to what is fundamentally a flawed argument does not make it new.......
@RockKnocker17 Жыл бұрын
@@varyolla435ginning up contents? That's great. He is making content so good that is changing the antiquities markets.... do you understand that? One video is scientifically measuring a perfectly flat box burried in Egypt, then fragments of the largest statue I've ever seen, the next video are aerospace experts measuring jars with their lab equipment. You act like he daily vlogging his life for views, all the work many people have done on this topic and his content IS changing the world, you call it "ginning up." It's your ego that cant handle the reality here.
@Anth369 Жыл бұрын
No, you've got me completely wrong. I'm not an academic, and i used to heavily believe in the high tech belief system. I've been studying this since the 90s... you know what i did? I kept digging. Ben is behind, he chooses to ignore a bunch of research that goes WAY beyond what he documents. There's a weath of information that goes back into the 1800's, and once you start to look deeper into this, It's easy to debunk Bens' work. He's holding onto a lot of easily disproved stuff and chooses to ignore it. We don't need some high technology bullshit, we just need to think about how people 6000 years ago did things... and many people are going down that path now, and it's FAR MORE INTERESTING then coming up with hair brained theories talking about ancient computers and cnc machines that make absolutely no sense... (trying to supplant todays technology into civilisation 6000 years ago is insane and lazy) ask yourself this... if high technology existed... why is nothing duplicated exactly the same... wouldn't they use such 'high technology' over and over... ? Yet all those vases.. are different... the boxes in the seapeum range dramatically in quality... Do yourself a favour and look beyond Ben's bullshit. Ben DOES NOT counter these arguments, sufficiently at all, and for you to say so only illustrates you're unaware of the depth and breadth of this subject level... Instead of countering arguments ... he simply calls any opposition 'logical falacies' and is silent for a LOT of content that completely blows his 'research' out of the water. He also actively censors anyone who dare bring this stuff up in any of his communities.. i've seen it first hand.... the truth is out there... but you need to be brave enough to challenge your preconcieved ideas and bias's. I did, can you? BTW that 'flat box' you talk about isn't as flat as he makes out, is has inperfections, and t's surrounded by others boxes that can be dated to the same period that arn't "precise' at all. All this can be easily looked up and many people have covered it far more comprehensively then Ben... and he chooses to ignore that these videos exist, because it completely dismantles his work as lazy, and exposes him as a creator that won't admit the truth, because he would have to declare that his work needs a complete revision... alas, he chooses not too. Have fun on your research journey! @@RockKnocker17
@csreiter2 жыл бұрын
At around 20:50, the other guy claims that archeologists suggest methods of construction based primarily on what tools they know existed, rather than because they have evidence that those specific tools were actually used for this particular construction - he called this “circular logic”. You then went on to ask whether it was unreasonable to conclude that an artifact was made by the people of the time-period and location in which it was dated/located, and you claim that the other guy said to do so was circular reasoning. I can’t tell if you intentionally misrepresented the very argument you responded to, or if you meant to respond to a different argument, but it seems strange that you would make a counter argument that was irrelevant to argument you were responding to. You also never clarified if the authors of the books you mentioned around the 20:00 mark were written by archaeologists. I’m going to keep watching, but I sure hope you actually respond to the content of the arguments and claims made rather than just spend the majority of the video dissecting flaws in the other’s arguments.
@rekindlethewick5832 жыл бұрын
Well said.
@beeg6932 жыл бұрын
I agree with you. He is acting more like a lawyer asking questions about Ben's questions and not answering the question. Why does this guy actually tell us what is in the books? If he is going to use them as an argument, he should expose some of the contents in these books to what Ben is saying. It is troubling to me what he has said so far. At 27 minutes in does he change his lawyering ways? When this guy shows Ben's video of a core sample just tell me how it was made. If you claim it is cooper tools, then prove it. I want to watch the rest of this video, but I am not happy with the way it is going.
@troyray71362 жыл бұрын
Yeah exactly. Dude is responding to arguments like a debate bro
@agingerbeard2 жыл бұрын
@@troyray7136 he's a huge Vaush fanboi
@valkenburgert2 жыл бұрын
@@beeg693 He’s a historian and would ruin his career by confirming many old pre-internet, pre-airplane, pre-automobile theories are off and have always been followed rather than re-examined with an open mind. He went through the educational system that keeps these, mostly valid, theories alive. Obviously he’s never going to have the unbiased overview of a neutral person. I argue anyone with internet now has more information to their disposal than the archeologists spending three year traveling to a site and digging a single site. These explorers are legendary in the academic world and build the blueprint if the historical timeline that is hard to change afterwards. I argue any person with internet is better equipped to write a timeline, no historians defending theirs are needed. Do note this is only possible by complete lack of evidence. Both sides do exactly the same, make assumptions and write a timeline. In this case I think the academic system failed back in the day and never bounced back from it. Cultures that “surprisingly were smarter than hunter gatherers we thought they were” are being found all over the globe. Problem is that at first they were described as “hunter gatherers”. That’s unscientific and extremely hard to change. The first assumption “hunter gatherers” is accepted due to lack of counter evidence. Forgetting that evidence could be unavailable to begin with… This is exactly the mechanism I mean, it leads to this video and the content creator is part of that flaw that again, is being exposed weekly if not daily on a global scale. And even then the historians do not admit their mistake in their working methods and continue on exactly the same foot. They find another base of a building and again it’s “a ceremonial temple by simple living people”. To again change it all a couple of years later, basically admitting that they did indeed write fiction by the lack of evidence rather than simply stating what they do know. That mechanism is key and you can find it all over the news all the time. If you come up with a theory before that news you’ll get responses like in the movie above.
@HaraldHoferАй бұрын
I have been to Egypt some 25 odd years ago. I saw many of the sites during my stay. And I will tell everyone who wants to hear it that all the stone-works I have seen are highly impressive. That being said: I would never have come to the conclusion that they must have used power tools. What people today can not fathom is what we (human) can achieve when we have time and co-opperate. Everyone that started a massive project in his garden can testament to this. It just takes time...
@MatthewSmith-wv5fi Жыл бұрын
I love the way the imperfect rocks that have been left behind at quarries are proof they had high tech and not low tech that resulted in a lot of failures left behind in quarries...
@SamBorgman Жыл бұрын
Well their reasoning is that it was so easy and fast to cut stones, if you weren't careful you would over cut or stray from the cut line easily. It makes a lot of sense.
@marksadplier9451 Жыл бұрын
@@SamBorgmanyeah, whats next, aliens builded the pyramid?
@cattymajiv Жыл бұрын
@@SamBorgman It actually makes no fkn sense at all. Aliens that had the tech to get here could not invent a guard that prevents overcutting? Gimme a fkn break!
@erikred8217 Жыл бұрын
i don't get it. is that sarcasm for the idea or sarcasm against it? lol. thanks. @@marksadplier9451
@RockKnocker17 Жыл бұрын
@@SamBorgmanthat's exactly how it works. Power tools make it easier to get perfect things quicker but also easier to screw things up faster.
@joshuawall2532 жыл бұрын
Hi, I worked at a granite shop making counter tops…all my time just cutting and polishing edges which takes FOREVER this shit is extremely hard to work..can’t imagine not having high powered tools and machines
@2degucitas2 жыл бұрын
Solid granite or the hybrid stone + resin stuff?
@joshuawall2532 жыл бұрын
@@2degucitas solid granite…marble too…Which is way easier to work on
@2degucitas2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuawall253 Can you please tell us how it would be worked by hand? Splitting wedges I get, drill holes, use plug and hammer to create cracks. What about the rest? Finishing?
@GalileosTelescope Жыл бұрын
Summary of his argument: “I don’t have the skills to carve these stones, therefor nobody does.”
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
If that is what you took from this.......... 🤦♂🤷♂
@GalileosTelescope Жыл бұрын
@@varyolla435 well that’s basically what he (Uncharted X) says at every turn.
@varyolla435 Жыл бұрын
@@GalileosTelescope Fair enough. I tend to focus on the "structure" behind the argument rather than what is being said per se. The "alternative" schtick all falls to the same assumptive argumentation and relying upon conjecture to support what are really conjecture-based claims. I guess I have become jaded in that I have listened to that twaddle for decades now. The names and faces change = but the arguments do not. So listening to them is to me is like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher - _wa wa wa......wa wa....._
@misriya414719 күн бұрын
@@GalileosTelescope exactly
@donsteitz6034 Жыл бұрын
Just gets to me how these confirmation bias fancy chasers "think". Really would be akin to someone who lives in a English village saying Aliens or an ancient advanced intelligence must have made the local church steeple because it is the tallest building in the village by far and nobody has made a higher one since. Many aspects of how even that church was made may not be precisely known, but that does not mean it was not made by people in the Middle Ages. Nobody having repeated it since in the village is meaningless. Oftentimes we can only guess what methods they may have used...and even if we can't guess a particular way, it still does not mean it was impossible for them. Simply might have been a way they could have still within the confines of Bronze age technology.
@kevincrady28312 жыл бұрын
2:37:54 - A large Greek (Corinthian-style) column in Alexandria is briefly shown in the clip. In the U-X video, he implies that it too is a product of his lost civilization. Interesting that the Egyptians only stole palm-leaf and lotus-topped columns from the Atlanteans, and were nice enough to leave all the Corinthian columns for the Ptolemaic Greeks to repurpose.
@russellmillar71322 жыл бұрын
Egyptian columns were papyrus reeds.
@Jack-ny7kn2 жыл бұрын
Just playing devil's advocate here so don't come at me lol. But let's just say for a moment that he's right, and that ancient cultures appropriated stone artifacts from an antediluvian civilization. We could further assume that this ancient civilization wasn't entirely homogenous, and that its various cities would each have their own unique art, architecture, and linguistics. And also their own climate and ecosystem. So if you were a Greek person appropriating the artifacts you found in your own backyard, you would perhaps expect that the Egyptian thousands of miles away might find something completely different, but that the influence of that found object would be equally profound on the development of his own culture.
@russellmillar71322 жыл бұрын
@@Jack-ny7kn Any mega, worldwide flood, that is believed to have destroyed all evidence of a previous high tech civilization, would have damaged beyond recognition any construction consisting primarily of lime stone. Post flood, no beautiful pyramids.
@Jack-ny7kn2 жыл бұрын
@@russellmillar7132 I think given all the flood myths we have to accept a deluge on some level. How much land was inundated, how fast the water was flowing, and for how long are all unanswered questions. Even theologians who take their holy books at face value disagree on the exact meaning of the text, in terms of the totality of the deluge. It was likely different for different areas. Coastal areas almost certainly would have taken the worst beating, but areas inland like the pyramids might have sustained less damage. I don't think there's anything physically prohibitive with the idea that some stone ruins could have survived a civilization ending cataclysm. Particularly since this scenario also presupposes the survival of people.
@russellmillar71322 жыл бұрын
@@Jack-ny7kn Hey Jack, thanks for taking the time to respond. I think a reasonable person knows that floods are, and likely always have been, part of life on Earth. After the last cycle of warming (Bolling-Allerod) into the fairly rapid cooling period (Younger Dryas) after the end of the ice age, catastrophic regional floods were very common compared to today. Sea levels rose, then receded again with the cooling in the YD, over a period of decades, during about 15,000 and 11,500 ybp. The circumstances around such mega floods as caused the channeling scab lands in Washington State and the draining of Lake Bonneville, resulted from breaking ice dams that released amounts of water equivalent to half of Lake Michigan all at once. Any people who witnessed these events and survived, would doubtless have a story about a flood that, from their limited perspective, covered the whole world. The flood story I heard as a child, from the Bible, it seems, is the same flood myth, with some differences, as the previous stories from Sumerian, Akkadian, and other ancient Mesopotamian cultures. So that's really just one flood myth retold in succeeding ages by successive cultures. To my knowledge there was never a time, during the time that humans have walked this Earth, that the entire globe was covered (above all the mountain ranges) with water. This would have resulted in a mass-extinction that would likely have meant the near total destruction of all species of plant and animal. In my opinion, if this happened a mere12-6000 years ago (depending on who's dating we would accept) there is no way the planet could have, in this geologically short period of time, recreated life with all the diversity we have today, especially human life. I think flood myths, although they may be inspired by actual events, serve a function in giving cultures identity. The fact that not all ancient cultures, or even a majority, have flood myths should ring a bell or light a bulb that if not all cultures recorded this supposed global event, then the flood myths are more likely stories about how floods affected their own people (or people in their ancient past) and a relatively few of them were spared.
@EtruskenRaider8 ай бұрын
“Why do so many civilizations have flood myths???” Have you ever lived next to a river?
@julieblair74728 ай бұрын
Think of the most rain you've ever seen. NOW, imagine even more. WOW MIND BLOWN.
@REEbott865 ай бұрын
@@julieblair7472impossible, the human mind could not conceive of such an idea. You are clearly an Atlantian.
@Steph-sk3xb3 ай бұрын
Should see Australia in the flooding seasons when the rivers grow so large, so rapidly that entire summer homes go under water before the residents even know they have to evacuate. Pictures of dudes sitting on their roofs waiting for help are everywhere.
@mikebaker24362 жыл бұрын
There is a difference between approaching something with an open mind and approaching something with an empty mind. We are to hear arguments and fairly evaluate them... not let other people photocopy their ideas onto us without evaluating them using the best available experience, research, logic, and evidence.
@hristoborisov37132 жыл бұрын
Truth is there are too many missing pieces of information. Mainstream history is doing the same thing alternative history does, it believes in the most logical explanation according to the evidence(except mainstream is getting paid to do research right). My point is there is no evidence to prove almost anything about the pyramids which is really sad. ( dont tell me a piece of wood and a few scrapes of charcoal can be evidence for the date of construction of the pyramids, because thats what mainstream history says if im not wrong)
@ahklys13212 жыл бұрын
Well said
@VickieVale3672 жыл бұрын
I agree ☺️
@gestapoid2 жыл бұрын
The thing I found most disappointing about academia is how close-minded it generally is. It seems to be more about arriving at pre-determined results based on the scholar's viewpoint, and the politics within the discipline, than anything else.
@LunarShadow3134 ай бұрын
Reminds me of a saying I don't remember the source of but was along the lines f "The ring of an empty mind rings loudest."
@PensandoRPG3 жыл бұрын
3 hours? Better than Lord of the Rings.
@bobwilson76843 жыл бұрын
REALITY kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWq9g4t5bpqkg9U
@tjejojyj Жыл бұрын
5,000 years ago, somewhere in Egypt … Apprentice mason: “Shouldn’t we write down how we do this?” Master mason : “No. If others want to know they can come and learn from us. Plus, in a few thousand years it will drive people nuts trying to figure out how we did it. We will become immortal through our work.” -- An UnchartedX came up in my feed after watching a lot quality Egyptology videos. His breathless astonishment, constant hyperbole and argument by insinuation were unconvincing.
@CommonContentArchive6 ай бұрын
The Egyptians actually did paint/write down quite a lot about their construction techniques. Google it. We have contemporary paintings of how material was moved, what kind of tools they used, and how carving and masonry was done. They were happy to tell us what they did, and none of what was written down or painted involved magic or lasers.. which they probably would've mentioned at some point, had they seen or used something like that
@BigMan-oz8re5 ай бұрын
@@CommonContentArchive Different building styles. Sandstone is different than granite. "A tale of two industries"
@CommonContentArchive5 ай бұрын
@@BigMan-oz8re You don't know what you're talking about
@BigMan-oz8re5 ай бұрын
@@CommonContentArchive yes I do. go built a replica of Giza if it’s so easy
@CommonContentArchive5 ай бұрын
@@BigMan-oz8re Gibberish. Grow up
@glennlavertu36442 жыл бұрын
1. I'm a fabricator and sculptor and I have used hand tools as well as as high tech equipment and while current technologies could produce many of these artifacts I have found that will-power is the most important factor in making. If you wanted to make a diorite sarcophagus with copper tools that bend and break with every 5-10 blows (or less) you would do it anyway. While it seems to us to be too difficult to achieve, humans are great problem solvers. There is evidence that stone carvers would have dozens of copper chisels ready for them and those tools that were "busted up" were reworked and reused. As a maker: I buy this possibility. 2. The whole "power in academia" is an invention necessary to create a straw man. Create the bad guy and point at them when your ideas (without evidence) veer into fantasy. For example: "The pyramids were constructed in space where gravity couldn't be a building obstacle, and anyone saying I'm wrong is saying that because they are gatekeepers of an academic status quo." Anyway...
@danseng3747 Жыл бұрын
yes, but what can move a 70 ton block 300 ft in the air to be the roof of the "kings chamber"? we don't have shit on them.
@waynemyers2469 Жыл бұрын
Well said.
@vids595 Жыл бұрын
@@danseng3747 I hope that you understand there is no aspect of ancient building that we could not do today.
@danseng3747 Жыл бұрын
@@vids595 So give me an example, please. Something built today that could match the ingenious interlocking polygonal 2 ton blocks with no regular sides and using no mortar? Do you seriously think we could match any of that shit? Don't yo think someone would have done so? Where?
@danseng3747 Жыл бұрын
@@vids595 We don't have machines that can move 700 ton blocks! Let alone the roof of the "kings chamber". Get a clue. And an engineer.
@beyondthebarrow2755 Жыл бұрын
The Egyptians had canals, hydraulic mines, water wheels, cranes, pulleys, ratchets. They were masters of their environment. They were revered not only by allies but enemies. They traded as far as India. People from our past were just as intelligent as in modern times, so just as capable.
@PeachysMom Жыл бұрын
Humanity peaked in the Bronze Age.
@Costa_Conn Жыл бұрын
Agreed. For example as more is uncovered about ancient hominins, estimates of their intelligence are constantly being revised up. Unfortunately we humans are stuck in our own frame of reference.
@methylene5 Жыл бұрын
No they did not!l They hadn't even invented the wheel when the megalithic structures were made, according to academia. They had no pulleys nor cranes. They had levers and manpower, at least so were led to believe by the so-called experts.
@PeachysMom Жыл бұрын
@@methylene5 they did. A lot of ancient civilizations did, all the way back to 9,000 BC
@Comuniity_ Жыл бұрын
@methylene5 no, the ancient Egyptians had the wheel, they didn't use it for things like warfare until the Hyksos invasion, but there is significantly older evidence of the wheel in Egypt during the Old Kingdom
@valeriacaissa4552 Жыл бұрын
I am astonished for two reasons: 1. The amount of downvotes, despite the video being so thoroguh, polite and fact driven. 2. That people really think all this stuff needs advanced technique. I mean seriously, stone masonry is around for thousands of years, it's amazing from the perspective of work that wents into it but not from the perspective of technology. Thanks for the video, I am glad people still react to these videos (and misinformation). This is really important work.
@johnadams1147 Жыл бұрын
I'm astonished for only one reason. Someone could write such a sycophantic comment and also be the prominent replier to negative comments. To admit they can see the down votes (data only available to the content owner) is truly astonishing. I'm going to send this to Ben to see if he can work out how this could be so. Ben will probably tell me they downloaded a programme specifically designed to view down votes on KZbin channels and nothing is suspicious.
@valeriacaissa4552 Жыл бұрын
@@johnadams1147 Why do you send something to Ben, when you already know the answer? But how should it be suspicious? Who doesn't use a browser applications to see downvotes o_O?
@wout123100 Жыл бұрын
1, its hard to see something you believe in disproven. you rather dont wanna know.
@frankvandorp97329 ай бұрын
The people who downvote this are small children inhabiting the bodies of adults, who throw tantrums when you contradict the fantasies they believe in because those fantasies make their brains do a happy. They don't care how thorough or fact-driven you are, because they didn't arrive at their points of view by any thorough, fact-driven analysis. So you can't change their minds that way either.
@nikolasincorporated9 ай бұрын
My downvote came from the douchey tone that that the narrator took. It was just too much for me to handle
@shawnmccarty18862 жыл бұрын
Thousands of inferior tools preserved yet zero Superior tools Preserved for us to find. Great point!
@mjhobo55202 жыл бұрын
in addition to the point, If they had superior tools, why the hell did they bother continuing to make inferior tools?
@jacobbrayton4227Ай бұрын
"if you find a copper chisel it doesn't prove they used copper chisels... But the fact that they don't find advanced tools proves they used advanced tools"...
@varyolla435Ай бұрын
🤭 Yup = pretty much. LAHT narratives are exercises in the fallacies of: Argumentum ad Ignorantiam Special Pleading You just noted the 2nd one followed by the 1st. They deny evidence as supposedly not supporting anything while often making claims which follow the same supposed logic which ends up assuming based upon = ......... - hence arguing from ignorance.
@pranaysАй бұрын
Exactly moving goalposts and projection is all they have. I can't believe he UneducatedX passed grade 6 history class
@colino5056Ай бұрын
@@jacobbrayton4227 which is ironic because a cataclysm is actually good for preserving artifacts.
@MaXxProsTe2 жыл бұрын
When he speaks about grinding It really grind my gears... as former glass grinder I would say that sometimes you just need to polish (or even smooth-grind) some specific things by hand. It is ussualy painful and painfully time consuming, but it is necessary in cases machine are just uncapable achieve the desired "perfection" 🙂
@jamessimkowiak11942 жыл бұрын
whos machines yours well if yours cant and theirs can whos more tech savy the ancients or you
@MaXxProsTe2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely do not have a clue whats your point, obviously I do not speek yours clan tongue :-D But I have a feeling that you telling that Im idiot that my machine cannot do something… and I telling you, something just need its time and cannot be done in a hurry - for example (!!) some fine poloshing of glass needs to be done slow or it gets ruptured, cracked, or you may harm by heat its subsurface layer and it gets then much easily broken… or if you need to do some smooth grinding in order to be able to UV-glued two pieces it is best to do it slowly by hand ontop of sheet of glass… So I suppose each and all materials has something similar no mater if it is stone, metal or wood...
@jamessimkowiak11942 жыл бұрын
@@MaXxProsTe so an ancient who carved a perfect artifact out of a material harder then the tools he has a impossible feat hand rubbed the whole thing out ?or was there a civilization before that had the tools and know how. the experts said the panda did not exist there are black bears brown bears and white bears these no such thing as a black and white bear that eats only bamboo all bears are carnivore's . they were wrong maybe the tools to do such feats once existed with a civilization prior to the Egyptian's .
@MaXxProsTe2 жыл бұрын
@@jamessimkowiak1194 you have obviously totally wrong rudimentaries...and that terrible language do not helps me either. Im sorry, but seems you do not know a thing about anything. The tools softer than processed material..? How do you suppose the diamonds get shaped (or got shaped in early days)? By even harder diamonds? No - by "softer" tools. That can by applied to anything... rocks get carved by water (and grains in it).
@snowmech34302 жыл бұрын
When I sculpt with stone there always comes that point where I put down the tools and finish it by hand. It sucks, but the results always feel great. That and I can take small sculptures to the porch, sit on my grandparents old swing bench, and polish until the fireflies come out.
@LongJohnLiver2 жыл бұрын
Wow some of these comments were written by ppl who were actually angry. They read more like somebody insulted their religion rather than simply someone disagreeing about history. There's a very cultish vibe to a lot of them. It's fascinating.
@chrisd62872 жыл бұрын
As someone who has studied both sides, I have to say this video was very well done and was quite eye opening. Well done sir
@wpriddy2 жыл бұрын
It shouldn't be. I'm a tool maker. I make things every day that rival anything ever found in egypt for technical expertise and precision. 2 things. You cannot shape granite with copper or bronze. It is too soft. The crude hieroglyphs scratched into everything attributed to the early and old kingdoms prove that, unequivocally. Those scratchings are all they could do to the stone with copper. And the tolerances and symmetry they were able to achieve are impossible to do with the naked eye. Telling the difference between what was found by dynastic egyptians and what was made by the dynastic egyptians is very easy. Is it mindblowing? Not made by egyptians.
@chrisd62872 жыл бұрын
@@wpriddy See, and this is what always pulls me back and helps me keep an open mind. All i know, is I don't know.
@LesterBrunt2 жыл бұрын
@@wpriddy You can cut granite with copper saws and sand. Has been replicated countless of times.
@russellmillar71322 жыл бұрын
@@LesterBrunt Not actually the copper, it's the abrasive sand slurry that does the cutting.
@LesterBrunt2 жыл бұрын
@@russellmillar7132 I think it is the combo, just sand won’t do much either 😁
@ericcollins-mf8vbАй бұрын
I as a hobby, have cut stones for ornaments. Nephrite Jade, harder than granite and difficult to polish, all done by hand and without power tools. Grinding paste made from beach sand with a high content of natural garnet & emery, With such an abrasive a copper saw cuts any stone except diamond. The person opining about ancient masonry conflates toughness of a material with hardness of the same, telling me he knows little of what he is talking about. Polishing by hand with different abrasives used on different stone. Nephrite jade has a tendency to 'undercut' with an 'orange peel' roughened effect due to hardness in parts of the rock. Remedy is to use a different abrasive. The ancient civilization arguer is clearly a charlatan pandering to cultist conformers to make money, You expose the facile attempt at sounding academicly informed by ancient civilization aficionados.
@varyolla435Ай бұрын
🎯 Dremels etc. were created to make the task easier. They simply took things once done by hand using polishing stones etc. - and in some cases still done today as you alluded to - and developed technology to accomplish the task more easily. This is often done for commercial reasons to facilitate mass production. Moral: LAHT habitually only sees = "the tech" - while ignoring what it represents. Pneumatic hammers replaced steel chisels ----> which replaced iron chisels -----> which replaced bronze chisels -----> which replaced gneiss stone ones = yet all reflect chisels performing similar tasks..........
@Ugrasrava2 жыл бұрын
On what I would consider evidence of ancient high technology: ball bearings would do it for me. We take them for granted these days, but ball bearings are *very* hard to make, because of the materials required and the difficulty inherent in machining spheres small, smooth, and consistent enough. Even today, there are nations out there that cannot make them in any real volume and rely almost entirely on imported bearings to keep their economies rolling smoothly.
@BestHKisDLM2 жыл бұрын
Rolling smoothly 😊👌
@TheLizardKing7522 жыл бұрын
epic pun!
@stevetennispro2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLizardKing752 I like how he was able to include the pun... while still keeping his bearings. If I tried that it would probably... spin out of control. (case in point) ;)
@AloisWeimar2 жыл бұрын
The Pentavarite must not be exposed
@RobertColley162 жыл бұрын
Came across this a while ago. Fast forward to 1:20 for ball bearings kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWXZlGeKqLJoi9U
@jamesblahut50083 жыл бұрын
I roll my eyes anytime someone says "mainstream academics". No one with a degree in classics, or archeology is mainstream.
@phreakazoith2237Ай бұрын
The demand to have proof by someone being without any personal interest is another eye roller. Who is that supposed to be and why would anybody become engaged enough in a matter one does not care about to proof or reproduce something? Gee. And even if you find an expert for lets say pine trees in Mongolia in the mid 18th century who has no interest in ancient egypt at all but occasionally shows the world how to drill this core with ancient ressources one still could say: 'you being able to do it does not proof the dynastic Egyptians did it'.
@jamesjohnson-en3cu2 жыл бұрын
Artists and artisans become obsessed and will stop at nothing to make their vision manifest. Limitations and handicaps are met with dedication, ingenuity, and a helluva lot of elbow grease. Seemingly superhuman reserves of patience, tenacity and focus can be summoned to serve the final product. I’m guessing X has never experienced this for himself. His ignorant dismissals insult not only ancient people, but all of human creativity. Thank you for making this wonderful video.
@ericalasley35452 жыл бұрын
This is such an excellent point I am right this very moment making some sweat pants for myself and while I could finish the waistband on the sewing machine in about 2 minutes it wouldn't be as tidy or as strong as if I do it by hand. Consequently I'm stitching my waistband by hand because I have a vision of how I want it to look and that vision is better obtained by hand stitching. What is the point of my resorting to "primitive" sewing techniques other than a dedication to preservation of my vision, lol.
@ransakreject52212 жыл бұрын
Especially when they don’t have the internet and tv to waste their time on half the day
@1928House_Washington2 жыл бұрын
Dude you get it. I love sewing garments by hand with a needle and thread and am quite good at it now. I've been practicing little by little pretty much my whole life. I go through long periods where I don't sew much as I work full time and sewing by hand is obviously, time consuming, but I do a little every year. My skills have grown slowly over the years and while I can now produce garments that are beautifully made with stitches that are both fine and uniform I am always looking for better methods, and practicing new techniques. I have sewn many a thing over the course of several days that I could easily throw together in a few hours if I used a sewing machine but that's boring and not at all fun so despite the harder work of sewing by hand I stick to it.
@Creator-of-None Жыл бұрын
I used to believe that all the ancient mysteries were the result of 'patience, tenacity, and focus' (and it certainly still may be), but all of that takes TIME, and TIME contradicts history. If you find a way to build the pyramids in *20 years* with nothing other than pounding stones, copper tools, and elbow grease, please share. The key being time. If time was not a factor, I'd agree that the Pyramids are egyptian, but in 20 years? Have you ever visited the pyramids and actually absorbed how truly massive they are? Hell, I'd even go as far as challenging you to make a single granite vase in those 20 years with the same tolerance and geometric accuracy of the ancient artifacts. I believed for the longest time that they were simply "clever solutions" to old problems, but many of the tolerances on these ancient pots are truly more perfect than what we can reproduce today on actual CNC machines. Im not saying they used CNCs, but im simply using that as a comparison of quality. They are actually *perfect* which is not something most people can appreciate unless they've tried to make something truly perfect.
@jamesjohnson-en3cu Жыл бұрын
@@Creator-of-None You don’t “agree that the Pyramids are egyptian” ?? Sir, I think your journey into “ancient mysteries “, and UnchartedX and possibly Graham Hancock, have led you astray, and I want you to come back. Those pyramids were built IN EGYPT, by the people who lived there at the time, i.e., EGYPTIANS. Yes, apparently it took about 20 yrs (for 20k people) to build one pyramid, but they practiced this method of construction for 1,000 yrs or more. The early ones were crude, over TIME they hit their stride and built some really fine ones, and then I believe they half-assed a few more crappy ones before they gave it up for good and moved on to Victorian Bungalows. I could be wrong but the point is they had plenty of TIME. I hate to break it to you but nothing is PERFECT. Not the Hubble Telescope lens, not Michelangelo’s David, and not Ancient Egyptian stone vessels. Personally, Salma Hayek seems perfect to me, but I’m sure if I examined her very closely and took accurate measurements I would find some tiny flaw. To say those vessels are perfect is simply repeating someone else’s hyperbole. By the way, a KZbin channel called ‘Scientists Against Myths’ has videos demonstrating the very real possibility of recreating complex stone vessels using primitive tools, and these are exemplary of the point I was trying to make in my original post. Lastly, Alexander, it’s very easy and also very cowardly to criticize and deny the centuries of accumulated data earned through real work by actual scientists, without ever daring to make a positive claim or offer a theory of your own to be addressed and scrutinized. This is why UnchartedX invents a mystery and then vaguely alludes to an even bigger mystery, without ever making a specific claim. It’s cowardly and lazy. I would respect someone more if they had the balls to make their claim and own it. If you think it’s Aliens, say it’s Aliens! Tell us what they ate, what kind of hat they wore- why they flew across space just to make perfect shit out of stone and bury it with those Pharaoh guys. Just don’t be like that, Alexander. Consider Occam’s Razor, avoid the Argument from Incredulity… and recognize that History, Archaeology, even Reality itself is wondrous and fascinating enough without manufacturing unfounded “mysteries “ that only insult and cheapen it. Come back to us Alexander !
@jacobbrayton4227Ай бұрын
"i dont know how they made it, but i know it wasnt like THAT." "I have made no claim"
@DullyDust11 ай бұрын
I still think it's absolutely fascinating that that one guy demonstrated that he could move a tonnes heavy slab of stone over long distances, just by using a couple of pebbles and understanding of physics ❤
@almitrahopkins18733 жыл бұрын
It always amuses me that these Atlantis-hunters can’t understand why the Bronze Age or Iron Age doesn’t have an exact starting date. KV 26 in the Valley of the Kings included an iron knife, which should not have existed when that tomb was sealed in antiquity. It is entirely possible that the reason we don’t find iron chisels from earlier is just because such expensive and rare tools would not have been just abandoned. A bent or broken iron chisel would have been reforged, so as not to waste such a precious commodity as iron. It is far more likely that rare iron tools existed hundreds of years before the widespread adoption of iron working than that there was an ancient culture that vanished entirely or that aliens with lasers cut the stone.
@drlegendre3 жыл бұрын
With a few rare, possible exceptions, all of the iron objects from ancient Egypt were of meteoric origin. The dagger found with Tut's horde is a well-known example. But you're right about the value of iron, it was worth far more than gold in those times and would never have been discarded
@janewamaitha9702 жыл бұрын
After the Africans were attacked and almost annihilated by Alexander the great, the European could not penetrste the deep forest so they settled in Egypt and enjoyed playing the God game. The Africans were were rounded up later when the European came looking for the source of the Nile, by the cape route down down south, looking for the source of the Nile( where the water of the Mile comes from) Also looking for the Caves of the pharaoh's of the old kingdom. But they found that the African lives in thatch roofed mad houses and nothing to show of their old wisdom. All this year's you could not understand that the truth was hidden in the spoken word even when all the books are distorted, at the right time the truth is in plain sight waiting for the appointed time.
@almitrahopkins18732 жыл бұрын
@@janewamaitha970 I've heard the story you're trying to tell before. It lacks any sort of citation and forgets that there are multiple dynasties' worth of evidence that discount it.
@str.772 жыл бұрын
@@janewamaitha970 Alexander never went to war against Africans. He didn't even see the south of Egypt.
@danxnation21592 жыл бұрын
If you suggest that iron tools existed before the widespread adoption of iron working, would we not also expect some mention of them or how they were forged?
@lordofleaves2573 жыл бұрын
Your approach to this topic is very much appreciated. As someone who previously was impressed by many of the beliefs as uncharted x, it's made all the difference to have somebody like you making in-depth analyzes of his videos as well as providing sources of your own in abundance. You may not remember me, but I commented on one of your Instagram shorts about which pyramid were built in what order with something like "the smaller ones were built after the Egyptians attempted to recreate the Great pyramids that they inherited" and you replied to me multiple times. Admittedly I did not completely believe what I had said, but a part of me was curious how it could be disproven and through watching multiple of your videos as well as other channels like sacred geometry I have definitely gotten a much greater understanding. It always fascinated me to imagine an ancient civilization that somehow fell and did not leave a trace except for megaliths, but in fact I think it is even more mind blowing and interesting to give credit to these ancient cultures creating such incredible works all around the world. I plan to follow all of the major discoveries and excavations, it excites me to think about what else we will be able to discover and learn about our own past as a species in the near future. Thank you again for a very humbling and educating experience on the topic.
@WorldofAntiquity3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I am happy to hear you are finding my videos informative!
@@bobwilson7684 I don't do homework, Bob. I get people linking me dozens of videos every day.
@JAMAICADOCK2 ай бұрын
Overlooking the fact that masons guarded their secrets closely. They're also looking at the past through a present lens. In our mechanized age, it;s hard for us to imagine someone spending an entire lifetime making a sarcophagus, but to the people of ancient Egypt working on the King's tomb was the ancient equivalent of a Nasa mission to Mars.
@pranays2 ай бұрын
Most masons don't agree with UneducatedX or his "Mason" and "engeneer" "experts". In fact many have worked with archaeologist to test the tools found and described in Egypt from the time.
@AntonSmyth-od6rcАй бұрын
Exactly. They fall at the first hurdle of understanding the past, don't look with "our" eyes, look through ancient Egyptian eyes.
@rohitdeb6664 Жыл бұрын
The merit of power tools in the modern production process isn't 'perfection' but rather enabling production at scale of relatively standardized products in a relatively short timeframe. A corollary of this is that the use of modern tools and production processes allow those products that fail to meet standards to be rejected at relatively lower cost. As a result, boxes with imperfections or 'unfinished' boxes would simply have been rejected and should not have been there at the site. That is a fundamental unanswered question in any such 'ancient supercivilization experienced a calamity' hypothesis. Granite countertops, for example, are almost ubiquituous today because of the use of modern power tools in quarrying, production and finishing processes (as well as in transport and incorporation into the construction of our buildings). If these tools and processes existed then, why is the evidence so scanty? Why were granite boxes not a more commonly used funerary accompaniment? By the way, Doc, love the painstaking dissection of the numerous flaws in the arguments presented.
@kody9508 Жыл бұрын
Wow.. How about you actually watch some of this stuff and you will quickly realise your uninformed questions make no sense at all. You obviously have no idea about the observations and facts put forward by the countless people actually researching this topic.
@kody9508 Жыл бұрын
If you can sit through 3 and half hours of this dribble surely you can find the time to watch a bit of what Ben and the countless others have to say on the topics
@damirregoc8111 Жыл бұрын
@@kody9508 And what did you bring to the table here? Some insults.
@lonebarn Жыл бұрын
Ben's argument is simple. The current narrative regarding the origin of so many of these items makes no sense whatsoever. Historians and archaeologists constantly fail to provide answers which stand up to the scrutiny of engineering experts.
@JohnnyWishbone85 Жыл бұрын
36:15 -- If I may be allowed to steelman for a second, I would like to point out that the actions of the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in the late 1970s provide a plausible scenario for how a society may purge itself of people whose role is knowing things. But on the other hand, we have to believe that this happened simultaneously, everywhere this ancient "high technology" society existed.
@cliffordschaffer52893 жыл бұрын
Same question as always. What did they ever do with all this advanced technology besides stack rocks?
@reneechavira93043 жыл бұрын
I've been asking that also. What's up with the university to teach some of that high technology 😅😂🤣
@L_Train3 жыл бұрын
I always wonder...how did they power these hi tech machines?
@Loooppp3 жыл бұрын
"Ancient high technology" is a term that make you sure you are watching bulshit that many people like, and are amazed !
@Lammington23 жыл бұрын
Oh, a great number of things that all just happen to leave no evidence and match what the imagination of someone with our current technology can conceive.
@IvorMektin17013 жыл бұрын
Elon Musk is going to stack rocks on Mars!😂
@aprichman2 жыл бұрын
Have you ever been to Egypt and seen any of these sites?
@rak64372 жыл бұрын
What's the point. He has no idea of our current manufacturing technologies and has no experience in any of those fields. He wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a saw cut and cut with a sharp rock.
@petjobedet46503 жыл бұрын
56:40. There have been no huge copper 4th century drag saws found or illustrated in the area. Drag saws of today, used experimentally , have not shown to work at any rate necessary to accomplish the many cuts necessary for to make hundreds of thousands of blocks of stone.
@WorldofAntiquity3 жыл бұрын
The vast majority of stones were not cut with a saw.
@rak64372 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity You're right, they were cut with a circular saw.
@nobodyspecial47022 жыл бұрын
@@rak6437 Not.
@Twm5322 жыл бұрын
And there have been no huge circular saws illustrated or found anywhere en Egypt. Its hilarious that you would use this argument when theres zero evidence of powered tools existing
@jamisojo2 жыл бұрын
@@Twm532 and how they claim some tool marks prove the use of a circular saw... when those marks could clearly be made by any number of more plausible tools. For example: A drag saw, or just pushing a bunch of sand around.
@_Mentat2 жыл бұрын
I've watched all Unchartedx's videos and he makes some persuasive points not rebutted in this video, _viz_ : 1) how was the schist disk manufactured, 2) some of the overcuts don't seem intentional and would not be made with handtools, and 3) how were the boxes in the Serapeum moved along the tunnels and lowered into the alcoves?
@armcie50802 жыл бұрын
> 1) how was the schist disk manufactured, Carefully. And by hand. Schist is fragile (so it probably wasn't used in some sort of machine) but there are lost of examples of Egyptians making schist bowls and vases, and even carving hieroglyphs into them. They knew how to work the material. > 2) some of the overcuts don't seem intentional and would not be made with handtools, I've certainly made overcuts using hand tools. I'm a crap workman. I'm the sort of chap who'd be given the grunt work of sawing a straight line into a rock, rather than the careful carving of body parts, and would cock it up several times. If the ancients had precision machine tools, why wouldn't they just make a new one, rather than using one with an error? And how did they make such a mistake with their famed precision anyway? > and 3) how were the boxes in the Serapeum moved along the tunnels and lowered into the alcoves? Sledges. Ropes. I saw a video recently that showed how wet seaweed massively reduced the effort required to move stone monoliths, to the extent that it was easier to drag them than to manoeuvre rollers. If your argument is that something would take too much time or manpower, then you're underestimating the level of skill, and amount of human resources they could put into this sort of thing.
@_Mentat2 жыл бұрын
@@armcie5080 I'm not really convinced. The builders seem to have had capabilities we don't yet understand. The schist disk looks like the schist has been cut and folded; impossible for us since schist is brittle. A rock softener would explain a lot of what the builders achieved; especially if they really were using copper tools. And I'm not buying "seaweed". You can't get many people into those tunnels even if the friction is reduced and seaweed is not going to help lower 40 ton boxes by 10 feet into their alcoves. You may have made overcuts with hand tools, but they weren't two feet long. If you're progressing at an inch a day then you will notice an error long before you've gone far wrong. There are buzzsaw type mistakes on some of the statues. A lot of what the builders did, they seem to have done because that was the easiest way. Why carry a thousand one-ton rocks when you can with less effort carry one thousand-ton rock? Assuming you have some easy way of carrying rocks. Why build and bury fifty-ton sarcophagi anyway, unless it was no great effort. They're not full of gold! Those bulls didn't need massive stone boxes. They could have made little pharaoh style tombs if they wanted to bury bulls with ceremony. Everything the builders did, they seem to have done the most difficult way possible - unless they had techniques unknown to us.
@vultureguy332 жыл бұрын
Dude I agree about the 2 foot overcut. Didn't see that rebutted at all. Also it should be OK to argue why a mainstream theory seems unlikely even if you don't have a replacement theory ready to go. How does one ever get to a better hypothesis/explaination without first spotting some holes in the orthodoxy and questioning an existing view?
@johnnymac6242Ай бұрын
My question is where did this Technology go? How did these ancient civilizations seemingly "forget" their extremely advanced stoneworking techniques? Where is the documentation of these techniques?
@Eyes_OpenАй бұрын
I would recommend studying Greek and Roman civilizations.
@deathdoor3 жыл бұрын
I think one thing that we/they should have in mind is that "never", "improved", "more advanced" technology don't necessarily means "better results". If you want to make something, anything, you have plenty of options of how to go about it. Sure, depending on the tools and methods you chose the final quality may vary, but you can also aim for the same final quality electing different sets of tools and methods. For stone work current technology means primarily faster work as opposed to better work. You will not do a better work with modern tools just because you have modern tools, it depends on your skills with those tools. But independent of your skills the modern tools will make you finish the work faster, that's the biggest difference that seems missed when they rise these questions. A single small piece in a year of work may see too slow, but those societies had a lot of people doing this work.
@AllHailDiskordia3 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine is a classically trained stone mason, through him I know that "the ancients" were perfectly capable of precise stone work because the techniques are still being tought today, it´s just that, as you said, modern tools help immensely and make the work a lot easier and faster
@reneechavira93043 жыл бұрын
And they didn't sit on there butts all day watching TV or behind a desk. They worked from dawn to dusk.
@deathdoor3 жыл бұрын
@@reneechavira9304 But would be nice if they had MP3 players and a pair of headphones to work while hearing podcasts.
@dermotmccorkell6633 жыл бұрын
Great point. The art is as good as the artisan. That is evident today let alone millennia ago.
@tyrrellharvey3 жыл бұрын
@@AllHailDiskordia your friend has cut and shaped granite with copper?
@Werevampiwolf7 ай бұрын
As someone who's studied engineering for a very, very long time (I've wanted to be an engineer since I was six years old), the fact that you can move just about anything (that's strong enough to not break under its own weight) with enough manpower and time and some simple machines is extremely basic, like pre-Engineering 101. That's like primary school stuff. I definitely already understood that by the time I was 10 because I was already planning how to make use of it. I've always been a "I don't like having to do this, how can I make something to make it easier for myself?" kind of person. "Give me a long enough lever, and I can move the whole world," as the saying goes. Also, while we know the pyramids were built by skilled artisans and not slaves, civilizations all over the world *did* use slave labor to build megaprojects, up to and including gulags and modern concentration camps. You can make progress a lot faster if you just don't care about the safety or rights of your workers, which is how a lot of societies got things built far faster than we'd be able to manage in modern day. Not to mention that they usually wouldn't have had to file for permits or the like. If the god-king of your society says "make this for me", you're not going to have to say "your wish is our command, your holy-highness, but first we need to fill out and submit paperwork and then wait 6 to 8 weeks for the government bureaucracy to review and stamp our files and send them back" And on the subject of polishing, UnchartedX should check out Dorodango, which is the traditional Japanese art of polishing balls of dirt. If humans can manage to polish regular old dirt to a high gloss finish with little more than their hands and a cloth, I'm sure we can manage to polish granite, which is much easier to do.
@varyolla4357 ай бұрын
As you noted the pyramids were not built by slaves. As an aside. While slavery certainly existed for centuries in various cultures = slavery as a general rule is inefficient and economically not very tenable. As you say you either must compel them to work - which wastes resources - and/or you lose manpower which necessitates replacement. With that said people need to understand the ancient Egyptians employed = _"the corvee."_ So during the Old and Middle Kingdom periods Egypt used the corvee which required able-bodied Egyptians to work part of each year on public works. The State in turn supported them during that time via food and housing - and if required medical care. Ancient Egypt much as today had a tax system in place - theirs being a commodity-based economy rather than using specie as today. Egyptologists have archeological examples of ancient tax records while it also appears the State maintained "State farms" which supplied foodstuffs to public works. The use of slave labor/military captives is seen in the archeological record at the New Kingdom period. Having expelled the Hyksos conquerors who overran northern Egypt after the collapse of the Middle Kingdom and taken their lands Egypt was at its' height geographically and militarily. This is when the iconographic record depicts military captives. An example of your "expendable workforce" is seen here. Akhenaten as an example built his new capital of Amarna. Egyptologists found the graves of the workforce who built it. They represented young people who appear to have been underfed and worked to death to be dumped in mass graves. Those who built the pyramids conversely were well fed and treated well as one would expect people in the employ of the State or corvee workers. Enjoy your day.
@coolmanjack19952 жыл бұрын
I want to add on to your point at 1:04:54 that even today when you're cutting tile for your floor at home you will typically use an abrasion saw and lots of water to accomplish it. Abrasion is STILL a favorite method of cutting stone for a lot of purposes
@marconeill95102 жыл бұрын
Yes, with a blade rotating about 5000 rpm. Also cutting a tile which is 10mm thick. And the water is to cool the blade. So I’m not sure what your point is.
@jamisojo2 жыл бұрын
@@marconeill9510 speed is irrelevant. Abrasion works whether you do it quickly or not.
@marconeill95102 жыл бұрын
@@jamisojo not true. You can make a paper disc that will cut a 2x4 if you spin it fast enough. Try doing that slowly.
@Raidz-4482 жыл бұрын
@@jamisojo Tube drill holes in Egypt show striation marks that cut at a depth per rotation which exceed the use of a simple copper tube drill with an abrasive being done by hand. No one argues that you can cut stone with copper and an abrasive, but the signature left on the rock doesn't match the use of a copper tool with an abrasive done by hand.
@sounavailable2 жыл бұрын
@@marconeill9510 let's see that! upload video proof when?
@Steph-sk3xb3 ай бұрын
I feel like the work hours talked about to achieve this are not so outrageous considering thousands of men worked 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for their whole lives. 12 guys working around the clock everyday in shifts to carve out a sarcophagus would probably amount to 6000 hours of work in a few weeks. In the Scenario I’ve given, it would take them a little over a month to carve out that sarcophagus. Not so outrageous that it’s impossible to do without high technology.
@varyolla4353 ай бұрын
As I recall the ancient evidence relating to the work crews of the Valley of the Kings used to work a set schedule as you say. They would work for 10 days in a row - then have a few days off. In their "off time" the clearly had the time to scribble down many things about their daily lives such as Egyptologists now have access to. Some also spent their spare time working on tombs for themselves near the valley - some with interior design almost as nice as those for the royalty. So obviously it was not as terrible as far as conditions as LAHT tries to claim. While labor intensives the workers probably had a standard of living above that of the average Egyptian working in the fields. p.s. - your sarcophagus reference is probably correct. LAHT devotees always seem to forget the Egyptians or whomever had the benefit of cumulative knowledge and were part of a structured operation. An example of the latter would be partially completed tombs in the Valley of the Kings. You can see where someone laid out grids on the walls to achieve scale ----> someone came behind them to draw the designs ----> a "supervisor" came behind them to make corrections = before a likely master craftsman then painted the final picture. Moral: these things were not the result of some rando working alone in a mud brick hut. They had specialized work crews doing specific tasks based upon knowledge as alluded to which was developed and improved upon over generations.
@misriya414719 күн бұрын
@@varyolla435 Ben conveniently ignores the systematic nature of their work
@NautilusMusic3 жыл бұрын
Ive never been sucked into any of the alternative history theories, but I did used to really love watching ancient aliens, and still find the idea of ancient alien theories to be really intriguing and entertaining. What I really like about your approach is that you respect their opinion and calmly and gently explain your side. It's much more persuasive than having some snide, sarcastic ass ripping them apart to make the point.
@OLD2NEWCREW3 жыл бұрын
Never been sucked in..but watched more than one episode and then called it entertaining hhmmm ? Seen some episodes myself but came to the conclusion it’s bs ..it was irritating more than entertaining.. “each to their own” I suppose
@Jbo20003 жыл бұрын
The Old Testament aliens are real. They built Egypt. Bone smugglers
@NautilusMusic3 жыл бұрын
@@Jbo2000 bone smugglers indeed.
@kevincrady28313 жыл бұрын
@@Jbo2000 Bone Smugglers--great band name!
@-OICU812-3 жыл бұрын
I can never seem to get enough of that show either. I mean I really get a kick out of it! weather It is David Childress constantly counting his fingers or the ongoing question of our times, "Will Giorgio ever get a haircut? The thing that ticks me off about the show is that every now and then they drag out something totally stupid, like pointing to renaissance era paintings that have artistic depictions of the sun and moon and saying "See! look! UFOS! I mean if you have Earth shattering evidence, why pull out something like that? It makes them look pretty silly to me. Even more so than constantly counting your fingers or keeping your hair in a mess. I really think they make interesting points every now and then. Then they go and jump off of the deep end and lose me.
@SacredGeometryDecoded3 жыл бұрын
👍 Thanks for linking. Also the Scientists Against Myths team has released a new video on Serapeum on their Russian language channel. The English version is coming. They measure another coffer and show the imprecision as well as imperfect hand work. They also address another LAHT claim that they couldn’t be made by modern machines, and yes they actually claim that. It would require to be made in many pieces and fastened together. Along with other claims Chris Dunn has a letter, a letter from a precision surface plate manufacturer who makes tabletop instruments, but a not a letter from a granite monument manufacturer. It’s sad that the Scientists Against Myths actually had to ask for a quote to make a granite box.
@OLD2NEWCREW3 жыл бұрын
I have subscribed to both of your channels I think you would make a great team in “setting the records straight” with the AHT Nonsense. I’m just a layman and thanks to you both I get to know the facts not the non fiction .. you are my heroes the dynamic duo!! Real talk 👌
@mnomadvfx3 жыл бұрын
@@rossnolan7283 "Likewise just ONE vase of comparable quality ,wall thiness, symmetry, etc would prove the crude rock and stick method was how it was done - so far nothing even comes close." Consider that it takes weeks to months to get it done, that poor woman isn't going to take years out of her life to perfect the necessary techniques just to sate your desire for exactly matching results. The Egyptians were developing a pre dynastic civilisation for centuries before the upper and lower kingdoms united - that's a lot of time to perfect techniques through successive lives and passed on knowledge. The stone masion/sculptor woman on Scientists Against Myths did a passable example in 6 months on her first try - by guessing the materials and using only the bas reliefs known as a guide to procedure.
@KasumiRINA15 күн бұрын
It's insane KZbin allows russian invaders to earn money this way, every cent they get from YT ends up exploding near my house.
@kevincrady28312 жыл бұрын
Idea for a future video (next time you're traveling in Europe 😄) : Go to a Gothic cathedral. Get footage of the columns, arches, flying buttresses, statuary, etc., then narrate it with lots of commentary about how "advanced" and "precise" it is, then say things like "academic historians claim this was built in _the Dark Ages_ with primitive hand-tools!". Then make the case that the medieval Christians "must" have appropriated the structure from a much more ancient civilization with advanced machine tools and computer-controlled CNC machines. 😂
@marconeill95102 жыл бұрын
What are you talking about, you absolute plonker?
@synisterfish2 жыл бұрын
Are you hypothetically 'talking' to the Uncharted X guy because this isn't his video? That's something Ben would say, not this guy...
@kevincrady28312 жыл бұрын
@@synisterfish No, I was suggesting that our genial host make a parody video. I don't know if he can do an Australian accent or not, but if he can, that would be a bonus. 😂
@synisterfish2 жыл бұрын
@@kevincrady2831 😀😎
@TikoVerhelst2 жыл бұрын
YES, YES PLEASE!!!!!
@reesebroekhoven3962Ай бұрын
If you actually pay close attention Ben doesn't actually have any of his own thoughts and theories on any of this stuff, he merely just talk about and push all these other people's thoughts and theories in this stuff. I think this will help answer your questions throughout this entire video of what does Ben mean, what is Ben wanting, and so on. He can not actually go into any of that because like i said all this thoughts and theories are other people's
@varyolla435Ай бұрын
🎯 People with no real background in these subjects who are merely exploiting = what is already out there to create their "brand". Jimmie is another example of this as his background is in business. Moral: they probably saw others making money off this LAHT twaddle and decided to jump into the game to create their own brand based upon that. Everyone is talking = but nothing original - to say accurate to the subject - is forthcoming...........
@WarriorOfModernDeath2 жыл бұрын
As a geodetic engineer some of the feats that they achieved is simply impossible today. I worked on high scale and low scale counstruction. I worked on town squares, factories, roads, water pipelines, sewage lines, and on bridge construction. And despite the high precision total stations and gps instruments offer you still get errors that across distances only get amplified. The nivelation of the Giza plato, the orentation to the true north that is expressed in seconds and all that stuff is truly a mystery. Even when you think that thousands of years passed since their construction. I truly understand how Romans achieved their feats of construction, and I could replicate their methods, but how the early Egyptians achieved theirs? When you take a look at the tools they had at their dissposal it is really a great mystery. There must have been a highly advanced civilization. I stake my reputation on it.
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you have been told things about the constructions that are not accurate. The pyramids may be large, but they are of lower quality than Roman constructions.
@WarriorOfModernDeath2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity What thing exactly? I was not told simply I worked on constructions that most geodetic engineers don't work. What makes pyramids of lower quality than Roman constructions?
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
@@WarriorOfModernDeath They are less accurate, more haphazard, less efficient. They have inferior arched ceilings.
@WarriorOfModernDeath2 жыл бұрын
That's a bit misleading. The most of the videos Uncharted makes are on the first dinasties. The later periods of Romans don't have much to show either. Romans also adapted to larger megaliths that were already there in the first place. They didn't make themselves.
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
@@WarriorOfModernDeath Wow. Just wow.
@heikkiaho6605 Жыл бұрын
6:10 That view of his is pretty much based on the timeline "mainstream" Egyptology has given; most of these "precision cut" artifacts are found in old kingdom sites (and are "dated" to be older), and the later works seem to have been made using worse technology. So thats why he says they must be significantly older; because it would sort of make more sense for them to be older rather than having been made right before the more crude stuff. (This can be seen on sites in different countries as well; in Peru for example, the lower parts of Inca constructions are often more precise and megalithic.) He actually is wondering the same thing as you in at least one of his videos: It doesn't make sense for the technology to get worse over time, though thats exactly what seems to have happened based on the datings given by official sources. To my understanding, he doesn't claim to know something is X years old.
@AntonSmyth-od6rc Жыл бұрын
Why don't we make Anglo Saxon swords like we used to.
@yallia6197 Жыл бұрын
In 2000 years when they look back at architecture, they're going to look at Cathedrals and say it's absolutly impossible that those predated current buildings by centuries, considering how vastly superior they are in terms of scale, beauty and technical achievments. And yet...
@harigovind7845 Жыл бұрын
@@yallia6197nope. Most current skyscrapers easily rival and surpass cathedrals. You're grasping at straws
@pauloalvesdesouza7911 Жыл бұрын
@@AntonSmyth-od6rc because we don't need them, ergo there isn't an industry and attached knowledge. It's not a mystery.
@dantheman29073 жыл бұрын
Having just watched the first and half of the second video yesterday, coming back to finish watching them today and finding you've combined them and added updated material was certainly a bonus! I doubt he'll ever truly respond to criticisms, but your work, and that of your peers, is nonetheless invaluable.
@harveykongtin36653 жыл бұрын
UnchartedX does point out some valid questions that needs adequate explanation. That the large pyramids in Ancient Egypt were supposedly built as tombs within 2-3 generations! Can you imagine the Great Pyramid built with manual labour alone. Even with machines of today and today's quarries working flat out, can't do it within the timeline that egyptologists say it was done by. How about black granite statues - and diorite stone bowls and vases? Turned on some lathe? More likely. But what was the cutting surface? Diamond tipped? Lehner's attempt at showing how a drill core was done, was/is inadequate. And he couldn't reproduce the spiral groove present. He couldn't even break it off, without cheating.
@al22073 жыл бұрын
@@harveykongtin3665 just one point there are no black granite in Egypt but there is granodiorite , i had worked 3 years cutting granite and lot of artifacts in Egypt cannot be made by hands , weight is another point there are so many immense statues and granite blocks with weight up to 1000 tons and transportation were never really addressed the boat on Nile river were so small and flimsy they will never be able to carry these huge load
@jcie1210mk33 жыл бұрын
@@harveykongtin3665 "Even with machines of today and today's quarries working flat out, can't do it within the timeline that egyptologists say it was done by"..... Seriously? We could build a Pyramid 50 times the size and put a Starbucks on the top in a fraction of the time if someone put the money into such a project. For a little context actually let us look at Hoover dam. It took 2 years to build in the early 1930's and weighs nearly one million tonnes more than Khufu's pyramid.
@LBCAndrew2 жыл бұрын
@@al2207 He was thinking about the Basalt statues.
@LBCAndrew2 жыл бұрын
@@jcie1210mk3 a stupid comparison. Pouring concrete is a completely different thing than moving stones hundreds of miles weighing tens or even hundreds of tons.
@notmyproblem889 ай бұрын
absolutely brutal takedown. Thank you for your work.
@Atlas2262 ай бұрын
I wish Ben would drop some references to specific statements by his experts.
@zerolatitude29233 жыл бұрын
I lived in Cairo for several years and marveled at how they accomplished what they did. Cutting stones did not surprise me. What did was the precise hieroglyphs and amazing statues.
@memine37042 жыл бұрын
I lived in Heliopolis in '90/'91. Awesome country and people :) I've forgotten most of the Arabic I learned :( I'm like you, was amazed at the precision they achieved. Even after all these years its still very impressive.
@krannok3 жыл бұрын
At one point in this video you mentioned submitting essays for peer review, being rejected, and then refining your theory for resubmission. I was just thinking it might be interesting to hear a bit more about that. Like, perhaps you could share the story of one of your theories as it evolved to acceptance? It could be valuable for people to hear more about that process.
@WorldofAntiquity3 жыл бұрын
Ah, not a bad idea!
@kevincrady28313 жыл бұрын
Then do an animated version along the lines of Schoolhouse Rock's "How a Bill Becomes a Law." :) Maybe call it Rock House School.
@davidhawkinsiv40393 жыл бұрын
@@kevincrady2831 lmao underrated comment
@nicknewell233 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I don't know dude. I don't think you have any original ideas or unique incites. are you going to claim that the first city showed up at 6000BCE? if so you probably wont get published....have you ever even had a paper published?
@branchtalley26593 жыл бұрын
@@nicknewell23 Criticism of professional scholarship from someone who doesn't know the difference between "incite" and insight. Go figure. Then go read about the early Sumerian city-states like Ur and Uruk.
@thehighwaybandit69333 жыл бұрын
I wanted to reply to a few below, however: Although it sounds funny, I advise everyone to start watching TikTok/Instagram stories/videos of modern Indian/Arab quarrymen (the algorithm will start showing you more). You will be surprised what we, the modern civilised people of 21st century, are able to do with hammers, wedges and hacksaws. There’s a guy who only posts himself splitting what we call “monoliths”. By hand. With a hammer. In a TikTok video…
@CoolClearWaterNM Жыл бұрын
I noticed that we don't hear the conversations with the experts he asked, about anything. If asked how I would accomplish something, I would give an entirely different answer than if asked how I would accomplish that same task with a specific and limited set of tools, equipment and materials.
@jeffhough74602 жыл бұрын
There are alot of arguments made that make sense when looked at as a whole, just because you don't have the answers doesn't mean you can't notice something out of place
@r-pupz70322 жыл бұрын
Sure, absolutely, but there is also a lot that looks weird/out of place to a layperson that has a perfectly reasonable explanation to people who have studied the field. For example, I'm a doctor and there is a lot that seems weird or wrong about medicine or physiology that makes perfect sense to me, but I'm also aware that in the past doctors thought the womb roamed around the body sending women mad.. We do get stuff wrong, but we also get a lot right - modern mortality rates are a testament to that. We just need to keep improving our knowledge and we need to discard old ideas as new evidence comes to light. Just keep an open mind towards there being a reasonable 'conventional' explanation in the same way you keep an open mind towards new ideas/interpretations, and if you are skeptical of mainstream research, apply the same skepticism towards the people you agree with. Happy knowledge-seeking :)
@cdreid99992 жыл бұрын
@@r-pupz7032 this is how you science. Imho medical doctors did more to defeat the recent wave of antillectualism than any other group And no offense..i hooe someday psychology becomes one..and your field becomes less an industry. And that a doctor using expert systems and ai assistants become the norm. I am..was..a programmer. And i could have written a medical expert system with probably 90s tech that would have radically helped you improve your diagnostics. Doctors should be high level thinkers not pr reps for a medical care enterprise.
@Chance572 жыл бұрын
@@cdreid9999 two decades later dude, I really hope you get back to programming. You could change the world for the better. You should find writing that program easier than ever with our advancements and it shouldn't take you longer than a year to catch up if you've got solid basis in the basics. Collect your Nobel prize, I wish I could!
@diobrando21602 жыл бұрын
@@cdreid9999 Psychology is a total fail lol
@larrys98792 жыл бұрын
I’m more interested in how these ancient structures and artifacts were created rather than why other theories are incorrect. If it is known by academics how the ancients created these structures and artifacts then please present that evidence. If that’s not practical or possible, that presents a new problem. Claiming others are wrong requires proof that those making such claims are right, if their criticisms are to be taken seriously.
@Eye_of_Horus2 жыл бұрын
there is at least some of that in here. But for more focus on the actual techniques take a look at the channels “scientists against myths” and “sgd sacred geometry decoded”
@patricktolosa64572 жыл бұрын
Claiming others are wrong is part of the scientific method. Ben presents his ideas as facts, while he relies on lack evidence(no tools) as the evidence for ancient technology. This doesn't mean we must present an alternative. I'm just saying it's ok for both academia and Ben to be wrong, if you can prove both of them wrong.
@larrys98792 жыл бұрын
@@patricktolosa6457 It seems to me that a lot, If not nearly all, of ancient history arguments and theories are just that…..theories. Actual validated and certified evidence seems to be rather rare, but that is to be expected considering the time frames being analyzed.Interpreting the existing evidence is equally challenging.
@WhirledPublishing2 жыл бұрын
Larry, if you want to know how the "ancient structures" were created, videos and photos of the Stonehenge boulders being erected by cranes in 1957 - with an earlier installation in 1914 - are available. Links to those videos and photos are under my video titled: Timeline Lies: Megaliths Included in that video are photos showing the construction of the great pyramid: To understand the photo, pause the video to assess the size of the boulders in comparison with the men, then assess the upper levels of the pyramid based on the angle of the stacked boulders. If you need to understand what you're seeing, look at other photos that show the size of the boulders in the great pyramids. If you're attached to the programming that the "ancient" Egyptian mummies were wrapped in cotton that lasted for thousands of years, you might pause to reconsider that - and if you think the "ancient" Egyptian sarcophagi were carved from wood that also lasted for thousands of years, you should probably pause to question that as well. If you want the truth, the evidence shows where those thousands of mummified bodies came from. The evidence also shows who profited from this colossal deception - if you continue with your research, the true timeline for the "megaliths" and the true timeline for our human history is clearly documented - including the true timeline for the eruption of Vesuvius, the true timeline for the broken and subducted tectonic plates, the true timeline for the ice sheets across Greenland and Antarctica, the true timeline for our continents, oceans, mountains, the true timeline for our Earth's expansion and so on - it's all documented. The timeline lies that we were programmed to believe are intentional deception. Since the old literature tells us about the advanced technologies, and since the conspicuous evidence corroborates the existence of the advanced technologies - throughout our very short human history - we know advanced technologies were being used here on Earth - and we know the true timeline which was HUNDREDS of years ago and NOT thousands of years ago. Anyone who wants to believe in "thousands of years ago" is free to do so - those who want the true timeline for our Earth's origins, our Earth's expansion, our Earth's cataclysms, the true timeline for our Earth's continents, oceans, mountains, our Earth's ice sheets, etc., can find all of this clearly documented in thousands of independent sources, written in dozens of languages from all across our Earth - this includes when and how the giants and giant "prehistoric" creatures suddenly appeared and why they rapidly disappeared from our Earth - all of this is documented by our ancestors in old records, in old literature, etc., but if you cling to the programming and indoctrination from the idiotic "experts", you will never know the truth - you'll just be living your life with the mind of a schizophrenic child - totally detached from the reality of our world.
@turkeyherder94562 жыл бұрын
@@WhirledPublishing "Documented" present reproducable tests/evidence that we can observe or be quiet. Some dudes saying, "I think the flood happened and a god made everything" or "aliens did it" does not count. Saying you don't believe that cotton would hold up tells us nothing. Show me some tests that you conducted or a study that you can cite showing that the mummies were buried in something else.
@dmgcaster904 Жыл бұрын
There are a lot of us who don't buy into ancient alien theories but would simply like to see how these things might have been done. After all some of the ancient stone work is simply fantastic. The introduction to the Scientists Against Myths team was a great help. Thank you! Seeing them actually doing the experiments and accomplishing greats things was wonderful to watch! Thank you again!
@graemetho9805 Жыл бұрын
Where did you get the alien idea from? Ben's actually says that he doesn't believe in the alien idea.
@dmgcaster904 Жыл бұрын
@@graemetho9805 You are right. I stand corrected. He believes in the lost Atlantean high technology idea.
@Laocoon283 Жыл бұрын
Yea to me it's simply what I term playing the "what if" game. It's just entertainment.
@neverusingthisagain2 Жыл бұрын
Humans have been around mkre than 100k years. We only know about 10% of history
@FGQuinto Жыл бұрын
The answer to the ancient alien theory to mecwas answered by asking the question “ what would the world be like if aliens have been stopping by now and then interacting with early stone and bronze age humans across the globe.?” The answer to me was just like it is now. Stories of sky people. Some worshiped as gods. Others thought of highly as bringers of knowledge and/or cargo. Also, stories of flight and magic.
@whiteglovepc8 ай бұрын
Ben and others of his ilk appeal to this deep-rooted desire that many of us have to uncover something wondrous beyond what we perceive to be perpetual walls of illusion constructed before us. They’re really good at appealing to this emotion. You’re very skilled at matter of factly reminding us to simply just use our brains. Nice work.
@leosrule5691 Жыл бұрын
I would so love to have a time machine in order to see the beauty of the ancient times buildings.
@scalien225 Жыл бұрын
Even just a window into the past. Seeing and hearing how people 4000 years ago lived what they did would be fascinating.
@JustinMoralesTheComposer Жыл бұрын
You’d probably kill everybody there with microbes that they have no immunity to. But maybe bring a plastic bubble to hang out in?
@scalien225 Жыл бұрын
@Justin Morales one of the reasons I'd be happy with a window. Just say no to contamination.
@pandakicker1 Жыл бұрын
@@JustinMoralesTheComposer That’s okay, we can bring vaccines back with us and get them started on ‘em early. (;
@tkondor3 жыл бұрын
I only have a Bc in History, more specifically in World Comparative History Specialization, but honestly.... I would LOVE if the idea of an ancient technologically advanced civilization existed before us, who were the architects of their own undoing, and from the ashes humanity started a new, it makes for a great story. Would love to read a novel about this, but this is what all it remains, a fantasy... I was really into this theory during my middle-school years, and not gonna lie, it had a great part in me going to study History at the Uni. What we see in these videos and what we read in these kind of books are just attempts at explaining something that the writer cannot understand... "If I don`t understand how it was done, than the ancient, less intelligent people couldn't understand it either..." I think this is the base of this kind of thinking... I do think though that no matter how ridiculous an idea might be, experts should investigate it... because the biggest letdown for me was at the Uni, when I learned that History is not really scientific, it is very, very based on personal emotions. Well, mostly when it comes to more recent history, national pride comes in the way of rational thinking. That's why I believe that one should not research their own nations history, for it will come with a biased view... people think that it is easy to be objective in these cases, but oh boy.... this is especially a problem with neighboring countries, each claiming something different about a common event...
@muellertobias14413 жыл бұрын
I have certain sympathies for your comment as I have a similar background (MA in History/Latin/English). I have a different take on this issue, however, and maybe we can find some common ground. Like you, I've stumbled on authors like Graham Hancock early on and was sucked right into it (even though I was more attracted to people like Robert Schoch rather than the Ancient Aliens people). I learned so many fascinating things and was kind of angry that "the mainstream" didn't care about them or didn't even consider them a mystery. Think about a young kid with a relatively unconditioned mind, learning about Puma Punku or the scoop marks on the unfinished obelisk for the first time. The same with the core drill marks and other things which are so interesting, but never appeared in all those "Ancient Egypt for children" books I had devoured as a child and which barely figure in the academic literature either. I went on to study archeology, but was disappointed that I had to learn the differences between 200 kinds of hand axes, but nothing about the "good" topics such as Atlantis or the Serapeum. I therefore quit after one semester and studied the subjects mentioned above. I stuck to my views, but learned pretty early on that you won't get anywhere with them and that they are best kept for oneself. I know that Uncharted X is making money off this, but for me personally, I could never bear the scorn from "serious" people dismissing me. My dad is very impatient with these views, for instance, and he is this kind of bearded academic with rows of bookshelves around him. At the same time, I received recognition from those same "mainstream historians" I had learned to hate and had several jobs as a research assistant where I got insights into the inner workings of a university department. During the colloquiums (the guest-talks where academics get together) I observed exactly what you describe in your comment. People get highly definsive about their own ideas and can act incredibly childish when their core beliefs are challenged. I decided pretty quickly that I didn't want to stay for a phd as I couldn't stand the hierarchies and general "nastiness" which often accompanied academic discussions. My boss at this point had tremendous knowledge, but could lose his temper pretty quickly and had trouble letting other people finish their sentences. Now, the point is that it's precisely these memories which get triggered when I watch Mr. Miano's videos. Don't get me wrong, I have respect for him and his achievements and it is necessary to offer counter-narratives to the huge amount of BS offered by the "alternative" camp. But the recent outfall between him and Sweatman made me just made my stomach turn. I don't know who is right and who isn't as I haven't done any reading on the topic. I'm not enitrely convinced, however, that Miano is doing more here than lashing out at some perceived threat to his own achievements and worldview. What makes you so sure that the possibility of a lost civilisation is bogus even though you admit that the humanities are highly ideological in nature? I won't run around in the streets trying to convince people of the "lost ancient technology" theory, but I haven't seen anything yet which could change my mind. Just tons of saltiness. Again, no offense. The Sweatman-Miano-controversity is important for science to progress, but I don't feel like participating in this stuff anymore. Cheers
@geephlips3 жыл бұрын
Why would they assume ancient people were less intelligent? Perhaps they assume that because they consciously or unconsciously absorbed the beliefs of the eugenics movement of the early 20th century. If the “master race” was technologically behind civilizations in the Middle East, Northern Africa, Southern Europe, India and China, seems like this advanced ancient civ theory or aliens is a convenient way to explain why this would be the case.
@colinsmith20053 жыл бұрын
I think what they are trying to achieve is to get you to think of how the narrative of loin cloth clad bitch hair pulling grunting imbecils roaming the Earth untill a few thousand yrs ago is false. In the 70s school books had pictures or cave Men dragging Women by the hair. Accademia and arrogance, thats what you get !
@MrAchile132 жыл бұрын
@@muellertobias1441 The problem with people like uncharted x is that they make money by spreading pseudo-science. Once you really look into the topics they are talking about, you see how much data they ignore, because it debunks their narrative, which is really disingenuous. Like talking about the incredible and impossible core 7, without mentioning researchers actually replicated it using dynastic Egyptian tools. Or like talking about the "machine precision" of the Serapeum sarcophagi, without mentioning the corners have been measured and they are not even close to machine precision. Or that the romans made more complex sarcophagi, in porphyry, without advanced tools (sarcophagi of Constantina and Hellena, now at the Vatican). Or talking about the impossibility of moving them inside the Serapeum without mentioning Mariette found winches and traces of rollers inside or that he actually lowered one sarcophagus into it's final crypt, using his workers. Sadly, these guys are con men looking for money...
@ErisApplebottom2 жыл бұрын
@@MrAchile13 i dont know if its fair to call them con men. Im sure some are. But i think its a little more complicated and a lot more human than that. The way i see it, someone got really excited about an idea, and started sharing it. They got a lot of attention for their ideas and they got views and likes and people wanted to talk to them. And that made them feel good! They feel listened to and they feel like theyre making a difference. And so they got more into it. . Then people start calling them out and trying to tell them theyre wrong. So you see like a persecution complex where they say "ohh archeologists are trying to tear me down i must be doing something right! Theyre scared im gonna break the status quo!" Now, every time you say im wrong, i KNOW im right. Thats the red flag ontop of the pyramid theyve been building. . they are at a point where changing their ideas or admitting they might be wrong means they lose everything theyve worked for. The years they spent doing this are gone, theyll lose their followers. They probably ruined some relationships or quit some other career to pursue this. heck theyve probably surrounded themselves with friends who all hold the same beliefs. What happens to them? Are their friends still going to respect them? . Its easy for people like us to change our mind and be like "ok that was silly i got carried away.". But When youve built a career on this stuff, its become a part of your identity. Letting it go is unthinkable. So they find a way to dismiss anything that isnt inline with their view.
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
5:19 I believed you when you said you would approach this subject in good faith and with honest, critical thinking, but your argument here is a cheap shot. Ben never claimed to know who the pre-civilization builders were, and him not knowing what they were called isn't a very strong criticism. Ben isn't trying to be "unfair" by not naming them. Even mainstream historians often talk about ancient cultures they don't know the name of, such as the Sea People. Would it really make that much of a difference if we new their name anyway?
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
6:50 - He isn't the one making up the older dates for those more advanced carvings, he's saying that even egyptologists attribute older dates to them
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
11:20 - Was that an argument from incredulity? You haven't shown that such a pre-younger-dryas culture couldn't have existed.
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
14:10 - You complain that Ben doesn't reference modern archaeologists, implying that the questions he poses have been answered, but then you don't cite any modern archaeological answers either. You just leave it open ended and hand-wave his questions away as though they have been answered.
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
17:35 - The "historian's fallacy" (I've usually heard it called "presentism") is something to be wary of, but it doesn't change the fact that, as far as I'm aware, archaeologists can't explain how these structures were built either, so asking engineers, geologists, etc, sounds very reasonable to me. Not to make an argument from ignorance, but archaeologists seem to often just assume that the tools they find nearby must have been what were used to make the structure, without consideration of whether or not that's physically plausible.
@memotype2 жыл бұрын
20:11 - My understanding of these books, though admittedly I haven't read them myself, is that they talk about the known building techniques such as splitting stone by wetting wood, etc, but not the specific techniques Ben is talking about. Perhaps giving some examples from those books would have been helpful, instead of "go read these tomes and get back to me".
@LanceHall8 ай бұрын
Ever notice that when uncharted x shows perfect vases and says they can ONLY be made with modern equipment they are in fact surrounded by the equipment capable of making them?? Hmmmm.
@GoHomeKamala8 ай бұрын
The modern equipment can't make the vases in the manner they were made. Vases made of this material are extremely hard to smooth inside and are way beyond our intelligence. Diamond blades have a tough time. I was a mason for 25 years and we manufacture firebrick we can't cut. How can you see bronze age people doing what we can't?
@L.Pondera6 ай бұрын
@@GoHomeKamala skill issue, get good
@koodadigital89233 жыл бұрын
in my opinion the massive megaliths in Peru are much more mysterious than Egypt's, if you made a video on Peru that would be amazing
@Meineself2 жыл бұрын
Second this! Please also look into the veraccoche
@arlandoamb67542 жыл бұрын
Peru Isaiah amazing place but Egypt has so much more but to each his own agree to disagree why do you feel like Peru is more interesting than Egypt? Is it because we’ve been here in about Egypt so long now and Peru is somewhat new?
@caseymoore97372 жыл бұрын
This guy is picking on one of the few people who's videos on this subject suck. This guy doesn't bring up any of the truly mysterious things found in egypt
@casualviewing10962 жыл бұрын
@@caseymoore9737 like what? Say what they are, he may do a video about them. This video addresses and debunks the most popular woo woo that I keep hearing people mention about Egypt.
@schrecksekunde21182 жыл бұрын
@@casualviewing1096 aaand nothing. What a surprise :)
@81Lord-Nikon2 жыл бұрын
It was a bit difficult for me to get past your condescending tone. I have my doctorate and can plainly see why people can be disdainful of the "educated elite". The primary point that Uncharted X is trying to make is the absence of any credible theory about many of these ancient structures. I would agree that the method in which he uses to voice his theories would not impress anybody from academia. However, the methods used in the construction of many of these structures seems wildly out of place next to the monumental achievement of creating a bronze chisel. Also, you are missing his point that there "may" be evidence of these earlier civilizations that modern academia is ignoring due to doctrine. And don't tell me there isn't doctrine in the academic community.
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
When you dig deeper, you will find that the things that you thought were wildly out of place are not. Then when you share this information with people, they will call you condescending.
@davidclark5732 жыл бұрын
If you notice this show attempts to discredit anything that is not along the bible lines. I would like to know why the Vatican keeps hidden many writings and artifacts from the past.
@davidclark5732 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity How do you explain the polygonal stone construction in nearly every major continent. How can they all be the same and how come we never saw such advanced stone work in later generations. I see crude stone structures built on top the highly advance stone work. If you don't want to see advanced stone work you will not see it.
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
@@davidclark573 Watch more of my videos.
@davidclark5732 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity Why don't you answer my questions?
@swimmad4562 жыл бұрын
Some 35 odd years again I was living in York during a major restoration of York Minster. I spoke to one of the masons re-carving a gargoyle that had decayed beyond saving and asked him what tools he used in his workshop, that his predecessors who built the Minster would not have had. He said NONE. He said the tools those medieval masons used for carving shaping and finishing stone were perfect for the job and they have basically been copied ever since. No doubt if they had had mechanical cranes and cutters to handle the massive blocks of stone they would have used them but we know that they managed quite well without them. No need to invent lost technology or introduce aliens to explain how they did it.
@jerbear16012 жыл бұрын
Funny how I haven't heard of anyone attempting to recreate some of these things with simple tools to prove it possible. You don't have to build a pyramid to prove that it or other things are possible.
@LowKickMT2 жыл бұрын
@@jerbear1601 you also probably also have never searched for it yourself. instead you hear it in one of these videos, and believe it without doing proper research yourself. there are plenty of examples how people have created awesome structures and art without powertools and computer aid.
@jerbear16012 жыл бұрын
@@LowKickMT Again, I haven't seen this done. Have you?
@andrewmole7452 жыл бұрын
@@jerbear1601 Here you are... enjoy: Mike Haduck Masonry Carving stones with ancient technology kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZesmpqmlseWsJY Scientists Against Myths: www.youtube.com/@ScientistsAgainstMyths Making Egyptian Drill Holes: Lost Ancient High Technology kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6qmlGefqrKcobM Trihedral inner corner in a granite sarcophagus kzbin.info/www/bejne/foKVk3t7bNKHn5Y
@jonathanwobesky9507 Жыл бұрын
York Minster, partic. the Chapter House gargoyles (which Are medieval, the rest is not) is soft sandstone (that's why they wear out) and the tools to work it would be the old ones, Egyptian stone from the earliest dynasties was far harder. There are no writtern records from backthen, York is all documented.
@superdupercooper582611 ай бұрын
I used to be one of those lost ancient civilization guys, but your videos helped me change my mind. Thank you for the videos and I would encourage all viewers to keep an open mind. (Seems there’s a lot here just to hate comment.)
@varyolla43511 ай бұрын
There is nothing wrong with being "open minded" as you say. The "onion" there however is that whatever you are supposedly musing upon = *MUST* be supported by credible evidence - which "you" are not the arbiter of validity for. Failing this approach what you usually end up with are subjective assumptions premised upon a lack of understanding rather than understanding - aka _"imagination run amok."_ That imagination run amok is what the "alternative" schtick trafficks in. They pander to people's imaginations via crafting narratives more commonly found in the entertainment genre rather than science and legitimate academic inquiry. Conclusions and suppositions must be premised upon knowns rather than unknowns as they frequently do. That is how you tell the difference.
@welcometonebalia3 жыл бұрын
Ooooh, that "burden of proof" thing in the end was mind-blowing. What a perfect conclusion.
@amh40593 жыл бұрын
Great video! The point you made about civilizations constantly pushing their chronologies back to look older makes complete sense. I never thought about that and just assumed that they were using different calendar or numbering system. Very interesting.
@floridaman40732 жыл бұрын
Yep it’s for bragging rights and prestige. Chinese do it today.
@leomunroe93482 жыл бұрын
Herodotus has entered the chat
@robsellars93382 жыл бұрын
Sometimes they pushed chronologies back but sometimes these kings lists ( eg sumeria) were not really talking about earthly rulers but mythological rulers whose reign was symbolic of something altogether different. This should be taken into account also. The epic of Gilgamesh is another good example as is it's later updated version the enuma elish.
@danseng3747 Жыл бұрын
As older shit comes up to the surface (Gobekli Tepi) you have to adjust the timeline. The deeper you dig, the older it gets.
@simonhunt3106 Жыл бұрын
@@danseng3747 - Not adjust the timeline, but be able to add to it :) That's how archeology works.
@completelybelievablevideos40202 жыл бұрын
This is the first video I've ever watched from you, and upon reading the comment section, I just want to extend my sympathy for the endless deluge of comments stating the same flavor of "You are just dogmatic in your belief and pedantic. Everything you and other scholars do to defend the mainstream narrative is an attempt to hold onto your authority and power." It seems a large portion of people want you to both thoroughly explain why something can work, and also would prefer you be more succinct... It's the height of irony that so many accusing you and other archaeologists of being dogmatic in your beliefs and theories are themselves exactly that. Apparently if you just disagree with the "mainstream narrative", you couldn't possibly be ignoring evidence and explanations while simply believing an alternate theory without seeking evidence to the contrary. As for the authority that comes from being an archaeologist, I doubt the vast majority of people familiar with Ancient Aliens or other similar entertainment have ever even heard of contemporary archaeologists and experts such as Matthew Adams, Stan Hendrickx, Joris van Weterling, Yann Tristant, or even the more famous David O'Connor. I rarely even hear names such as Quibell, Reisner, or Emery mentioned on alternate history KZbin channels. The people I mentioned are just a few well-published archaeologists dealing with Ancient Egypt and Kerma! Does being an archaeologist really command so much respect that you've never heard of the vast majority of them? What authority and prestige do they command as long as they keep up a "mainstream narrative" of history going? Honestly, can a well-published archaeologist just show up to any prestigious event, announce themselves, and enter by the gravity of their name alone!? What even constitutes a "mainstream narrative"? What status quo is being upheld when you can _easily_ being studying Ancient Egypt by starting with some of Petrie's works and notice that in his book _The Royal Tombs of the Earliest Dynasties Part I_ he almost immediately begins by calling out Auguste Mariette and Émile Amélineau for their shoddy work at Abydos. Petrie literally describes Abydos as having been "ransacked" by Mariette. Successive works by other archaeologists are typically not that on-the-nose in their criticisms, but Reisner and Emery both named previous and fellow contemporary archaeologists as wrong in some ways and simply disagreed with their interpretations at other times. Emery believed that the mastabas he uncovered in Saqqara were the actual royal tombs of the First Dynasty kings of Egypt, an interpretation that was argued about for several _decades_ afterwards. Even today, you can easily go to the Academia website and download papers from the likes of Stan Hendrickx who will bluntly state that Ellen Morris, one of his peers, displayed "uncritical acceptance of human sacrifice" just one year after she had published her own paper on human sacrifice at Abydos. That seems tame compared to what is typical in media and common parlance, but that is an incredibly rude way to refer to the work of another scholar. Writing a paper takes a lot of research (as you can usually tell by the number of references) and having someone call the work that you spent months researching "uncritical" is like being jabbed with a needle. And that was just one contemporary example! Recht in his book _Human Sacrifice_ referenced Hikade and Roy's work with a footnote calling their interpretation of subsidiary graves in Abydos "cumbersome". Tristant frequently disagrees with previous interpretations of mastaba construction and Ancient Egyptian burial practices in the first dynasty thanks to his work at Abu Rawash. Hendrickx (again) writing in Shaw's 2021 release of _The Oxford Handbook of Egyptology_, outright dismisses two ideas presented by Morenz in the _very next chapter_ and actually says that Kemp's (a famous archaeologist) ideas of kingship and state formation had to be "dealt with once again". As if he has to again perform the now annoying task of killing off a theory that, up until very recently, was widely accepted before the recent findings at Hierakonpolis. Even David O'Connor, another archaeologist of fame due to his work at Abydos beginning in the 70s, has had his interpretations discredited or theories disagreed with by scholars in his own field both in the past and present. If you were interested specifically in engineering work and construction, you could look at Angela la Loggia's (2012) dissertation and subsequent paper on the matter where she both dismantles and confirms theories about the construction of massive mud brick tombs and other constructions built over a mile from the Nile. Scholars _do_ ask questions like, "How did Ancient Egyptians create the millions of mud bricks necessary to construct the enormous tombs of the First Dynasty?" and, "The tombs were plastered with hundreds/thousands of feet of mud over a mile from the Nile. How much Nile alluvium and water would that have taken and how was it transported 5000 years ago?" Typically, the person attempting to answer that question won't leap to the fantastical as an explanation just because it seems like an enormous amount of work, especially for people living in a world where agriculture and domestication were still being perfected. Just because the hundreds of thousands of mud bricks were typically uniform in size and shape and managed to hold their shape for thousands of years (without being fired) doesn't mean that they had to be specially crafted by higher technologies. Just because the water used to make mud plaster had to be hauled by sled for 2 kilometers doesn't mean that the back-breaking work was handled by a vehicle we have no record of in the archaeological record. The mastabas of the First Dynasty as well as the enormous funerary enclosures found at Abydos could also be said to have created with precision (niched walls measured so well as to have the pattern repeat "perfectly" around the buildings) and would have absolutely taken years to construct. Saqqaran mastabas after the reign of Hor-aha were cut into the limestone to form rectangular and even more complex burial chambers using stone and copper tools which have been found buried within and surrounding the mastabas. Ritual and religion have obviously always been strong motivators for humanity which is why sites like Gobekli Tepe exist from a time in which we have no evidence of actual cities existing at all. I'll be sure to qualify the previous statement with a "yet", as perhaps we could find evidence of a city existing at a point even further in the past which archaeologists would absolutely accept assuming the evidence was clear. If evidence of higher technologies was being kept secret, *_why would the results of said technologies such as delicately crafted stone wares and other artifacts be put on display instead of being hidden away in a store room like that found in Indiana Jones!?_* Are they taunting everyone by putting these works on display, or are they just blinded by their dogmatic thinking to the point where no evidence one way or another could convince them that the crafted works had to be completed using something we have no record of? Why are so many people somehow arguing that both of these contradictory situations are true simultaneously!? Truth be told, I began reading into Ancient Egypt years after I had enjoyed shows like Ancient Aliens and visited forums like that of Graham Hancock. I do understand the aversion to authoritative sources so many have nowadays and the feeling that surely the scholars that study Egypt likely have a hierarchy rife with corruption and greased palms the likes of which can be seen throughout many industries and historic settings. I myself didn't pour through the books and journal articles written by archaeologists and other experts because it felt like a waste of time that I didn't have, and surely the work was just the same barely-changing portrayals recited again and again to dupe the unknowing useful idiots working for a larger hierarchy of archaeologists. However, the archaeologists of today aren't the same as the "archaeologists" in 1880 that, due to their station or wealth of a benefactor, gained control over a historic site and used underpaid digging teams to quickly unearth anything that looked valuable so they could send it to a wealthy private collector in order to expand their pocket books while also enjoying the prestige that came with being known as an archaeologist at a time where they were fawned over like swashbuckling treasure hunters. Instead, true archaeologists such as Petrie and Reisner would change the field thanks to their tireless pursuit of _truly_ thorough scientific discovery. Nowadays, and I do hate to say this, archaeology is a typically very boring profession the involves months of preparation, surveying, and meticulous excavation that usually uncovers essentially nothing or note, or some pottery sherds that hopefully contain some sort of inscription or unusual shape. That sort of work, especially in Egypt, only occurs during the winter months to avoid the blazing heat and mosquitos, and takes years to fully categorize and then write the dry and jargon-filled academic articles that almost no one besides other scholars in the field read. This is one of the chief reasons it seems the "status-quo" never changes to an outside observer: Archaeology is so slow that new information is also slow to be debated and accepted. This isn't to say lead archaeologists or Egyptologists can't be unreasonably stubborn or unwilling to accept certain ideas at times, but this is typically not the norm and leaders in academic fields are typically older and retire within a decade or two which allows a new director with different proclivities to be promoted. (Have to split this into 2 parts, the next will be a reply to my own comment).
@completelybelievablevideos40202 жыл бұрын
(Continued) In today's world, almost no one cares about any sole archaeologist, because the field is now very specialized and people can spend a lifetime working in just one region or one period of time. What prestige or authority do the likes of Matthew Adams or David O'Connor command outside of a narrow band of academia? What narrative needs to be upheld else they lose their power over the common plebeian? Don't get me wrong, there are people who will take the smallest amount of power and utilize it to its fullest extent to a sadly absurd degree (looking at you moderators of various internet forums), but temper your expectations of corruption here. Moderating an internet forum is easy and doesn't require years of study to be taken seriously enough to be given the position. Archaeology is time-consuming, difficult, downright boring to most, and commands very little respect or power in the modern world - even less so since shows like Ancient Aliens and alternate history KZbin became popular. Most archaeologists with their own KZbin channels have an audience just a fraction the size of the previously mentioned media! As for accusations of an actual conspiracy of cover-ups, in what way are the consistently disagreeing scholars working in the field of archaeology simply too dogmatic to entertain ideas outside of a mainstream narrative, where massive disruption of what is already accepted is _exactly_ an occurrence that would make someone famous in the field? It's not as if you can make the argument that an industry surrounding the academic field of archaeology exists that has a vested interest in covering things up to make money like I've seen employed as an argument against governments or companies working in multi-billion dollar industries. On the contrary, a production such as Ancient Aliens absolutely does have a profit-motivated reason to sensationalize and overstate things in order to keep an audience of those suspicious of possible corruption in well-established fields coming back to view more episodes. These two accusations I've seen constantly levied are examples of incongruent and incomplete thinking. If you truly care about the subject, pick a time frame within Ancient Egypt and dive into it. Unlike some fields, many academic papers about archaeology are usually readily available online for free! A great many books, especially older works, are also available online on archive websites or thanks to a college uploading it as a PDF that can be accessed. Have questions you want answers to already in mind, and start trolling through various papers to see what others have already asked and attempted to answer using the evidence they know of. It's certainly time consuming, but if you really care so much that you spend countless hours perusing forums and KZbin looking for information on the subject, you can likely spare some of that time reading instead. As for those who just won't accept any answer other than a complete reconstruction of Ancient Egyptian works such as the granite coffins found in the Serapeum of Saqqara, I'm afraid you're going to have to pay a team quite a lot of money to do so. There are many stone-working companies today that can absolutely reconstruct the coffins with modern-day tools for tens of thousands of dollars if you want to confirm that we can do it with today's technology! As for utilizing the tools Ancient Egyptians would have used to do the reconstruction, it's an unfortunate truth that very few people have the expertise necessary and time to spend in order to utilize replicas of ancient tools to reconstruct monumental architecture. It has been absolutely proven that you can shape granite and other hard stones with the tools we know existed within specific periods of Ancient Egypt, but the actual work and time that would be required for a full reconstruction demands both a large amount of money, and a very large amount of time from experts in copper tool use that are certainly rarities today. It's certainly possible to do, but no one has bothered to undertake this task as mountains of evidence that the stone could be worked with various ancient tools already exists. Smaller works such as stone vases _have_ been reproduced using ancient tools if that is what would convince you. As for claims of inhuman precision: Many people have already visited Egypt with digital angle-finders and have found again and again that the angles and surfaces are certainly not near-perfect in their precision. They're certainly impressive, but not even close to perfect. As for those who don't like the video because of what apparently sounds like condescension... Not only are you tone policing, but surely you must also be tone-deaf to think an academic with an accent is equivalent to a condescending tone. If you don't enjoy the sound of his voice that's perfectly fine, but it doesn't discredit what he's saying. Apologies for the long comment and thank you for the video mate, I just wanted to comment to let you know that I, at least, appreciated the video. Hopefully I could convince someone to rethink their instinctual distrust for all things perceived as crystalized hierarchies with no room for growth and filled to the brim with corruption, a position I myself have come to understand isn't always applicable. Subversion and distrust of any and all institutions seems to be more normal today that in the past, but making that the uncritically presupposed feeling for any institution goes too far. Seven years ago I would have likely rejected this video outright due to my own biases developed due mostly to some unsavory knowledge and experiences with the publishing industry surrounding biological sciences that I once blindly trusted. I'm glad I gave various fields in academia another chance, just with a better understanding of possible conflicts of interest.
@rockysexton87202 жыл бұрын
They won't read this and think about it. But in the time it would take to do so they will read a dozen posts on social media claiming that zahi hawass is the grand puppet master who keeps all egyptologists in lock step when it comes to suppressing the real truth about the past. There will always be willing buyers among those committed to believing that they just traded their family milk cow for a sliver of wood from the one true cross. Facts and logic to the contrary will only confuse and anger them.
@raanab65786 ай бұрын
The one thing that strikes me about the inscription arguiment, which I assume means he's complaining that thet didn't polish the inside of the inscriptions, but looking at the pieces, the differing texture and color of the rough rock also makes the text stand out visually
@ScienceEtConscience3 жыл бұрын
Good point, professor: only ancient inferior tools remained but not a single one from the "advanced" ones...
@edfu_text_U_later3 жыл бұрын
To be fair here, from my understanding there has been no remains found of any hoists or ramps (although I know JPH's theory thinks the ramps stones were reused) and surely one of these things was necessary to build the The Great Pyramid at least. Also I imagine they were using bigger saws than the ones on display at the Cairo museum to cut the stones, yes they didn't necessarily need high tech but clearly some tools that were used have not been found.
@properlynumb70923 жыл бұрын
I've built a wooden derrick to move large logs on the property. After a short time, I simply don't trust it. There are few ancient tools, they simply rot.
@seanbeadles74213 жыл бұрын
@@edfu_text_U_later there are ramps used to move stones out of quarries that could very easily just be put on a pyramid instead. 20 degree inclines supposedly!
@JJ_AMES2 жыл бұрын
The challenge that Egyptians did not have the ability to cut or polish stones to shine without power tools makes me shake my head. The workers had years of apprenticeship and masters of stones even in ancient egypt. High technology? Maybe high level of workmanship.
@ashscott60682 жыл бұрын
The lunatics do not understand things like skill, ingenuity or hard work. THEY can't figure it out, therefore NOBODY can. Therefore: Tesla Crop Circle Magic Suppressed Reverse Engineered Alien Technology Caught On Tape!
@mikedrop44213 жыл бұрын
Well this is a pleasant surprise. I've already seen the whole series but I'm rewatching for the new materials and I am fine with rewatching the original content too! Thank you Professor.
@BubuH-cq6km3 жыл бұрын
Prof 🦆is more like it
@freda53443 жыл бұрын
good to know i'm not the only one wondering about the loose use of "advanced" and "technology" unchartedx throws around. He is an excellent videographer, but after a bit ya just have to put it on mute, because the ideas Ben is sold into just assails one's rationality. Its also very condescending of the people that lived at those times and always being referred to as primitive.
@BubuH-cq6km3 жыл бұрын
@@freda5344 so you are saying "civilization " is only 3-4 k old the Earth is only 6k old and NO ancient advanced cultures existed BEFORE this time and the Great Sphinx is only 3-4 old? and your so-called Hezuss rode a 🐱🐉? 🤣😅
@freda53443 жыл бұрын
@@BubuH-cq6km I have no idea how you read that from what I wrote. You are excused if English is not your primary language.
@BubuH-cq6km3 жыл бұрын
@@freda5344 Meth is a Bitch U should have Never hit the Glass
@PrettyGoodGatsby8 ай бұрын
I love how Dr. Miano tackles these arguments with logic and grace. This is how you convince people who truely "keep an open mind."
@JB-hp6up2 жыл бұрын
Really feel like you missed the main points of hardness vs tools vs time required to make all of this work, it's not that it can't be done, it's the timeframe in which it would take
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
And what time frame is that?
@JB-hp6up2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity many, possible hundreds of hours per cut based on what I've seen of egyptologists trying to recreate the process, adding to that the amount of stones involved, never mind moving them from quarry and into position. It just seems like a hard ask to get even a small pyramid built without some sort of undiscovered tech or process in the time frames they were expected to be built in
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-hp6up It can be worked out mathematically. Did you catch the part about how long experiments have shown it would take a granite sarcophagus to be made?
@JB-hp6up2 жыл бұрын
@@WorldofAntiquity I'm talking about the millions of stones in the pyramids not the sarcophagus, I'm sure you have done the math for quarry, cut, transport, placement, do you have a video on that?
@WorldofAntiquity2 жыл бұрын
@@JB-hp6up The stones in the pyramid are made of limestone, which is easy to carve. They can be knocked out relatively quickly, especially with dozens of work gangs.
@burntmarshwigglestudio5972 жыл бұрын
I once saw a documentary about two prisoners who sawed through iron bars using only a wet piece of string and powdered soap. The soap had some kind of grit in it and it stuck to the wet string. It wasn't a fast process, but they cut through at least 2 bars.
@andrewfrank72222 жыл бұрын
Were the prisoners making hundred ton blocks precisely cut.... 1 million times over.... In the matter of 20-30 years?? LMAO
@LBCAndrew2 жыл бұрын
And if the Egyptians cut stone at the incredibly slow rates achievable with copper chisels and stone pounders, one pyramid would have taken over 1,000 years. The history books claim the great pyramid was built in only 20 years.
@Chance572 жыл бұрын
@@LBCAndrew show your work. Give us the math on that. You're pulling numbers out of thin air.
@CChissel2 жыл бұрын
@@LBCAndrew approximately 20 years, not exactly 20 years.
@ДушманКакдела2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewfrank7222 no but they also didn't have the mobilization of an entire nation and culture. If two men can cut through manufactured steel bars, with a string, an entire nation can surely move a rock lol.