How old is the ZODIAC? | The Historical Evidence

What is the true age of the Zodiac? And for how long have we been using the constellations that make up the #Zodiac? In this video, Dr. Miano investigates the history of zodiacal astrology, tracing the origins of the system and of the signs. From the Romans, to the Greek, to the Babylonians, and back into the Stone Age, he will take you on a journey into the ancient past to see if we can find out exactly how old the Zodiac is.
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0:00 Introduction
3:18 The Hellenistic (Greek) Zodiac
4:17 The Babylonian Constellations
10:35 Sumerian Evidence
12:50 El Castillo Cave
15:34 The Glastonbury Zodiac
24:03 The Alatri Acropolis
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Watch the full episode of Ancient Aliens here:
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Before Orion by Bernie Taylor:
beforeorion.com
On Ancient Greek Astronomy and Astrology:
erenow.net/ancient/ancient-gr...
sevenstarsastrology.com/how-o...
www.scientificamerican.com/ar...
articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pd...
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members.westnet.com.au/gary-da...
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iep.utm.edu/astr-hel/#SH1a
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
On Babylonian Astronomy and Astrology:
factsanddetails.com/world/cat5...
www.academia.edu/441807/Mesop...
sci-hub.do/doi.org/10...
List of the Modern Constellations:
in-the-sky.org/data/constella...
Mary Caine's original article on the Glastonbury Zodiac:
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~par...
More on the Glastonbury Zodiac:
www.isleofavalon.co.uk/avalon-...
On the Ponter's Ball excavation:
www.somersetheritage.org.uk/r...
historicengland.org.uk/listin...
On the Glastonbury Tor excavation:
www.somersetheritage.org.uk/r...
Giulio Magli paper on the Alatri Acropolis:
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[@surfk9836]

I don't believe in Astrology. I'm a Leo and Leo's are skeptical.

[@noctiscaelum9845]

I'm a ♌, down to the extra gravity that bears down on my spinal column, he mentions the cosmic hunt, but modern Astrology is so accurate, you should even consider that Leo's spend their maturnal months in September, thus shaping us even more by the seasons, skeptical therefore more logical than non leos? Logic is intentful, the inhabitants knew the shape of the cities pathways relative to the stars, but when is key here: the painting was commissioned when they saw a link, during king Arthur age, but all roadways/pathways do that is the logical fallacy at hand, it reflects a logical understanding of reality, and human nature, but proves nothing new about anthropology let alone Astrology The logical fallacy that the zodiac was random, based on "subliminal will" of early stone age man, seems to be underlying the viewpoints of modern humans, that is most offensive, the cosmic hunt the vid author points out is most logical explanation of the entire mystery

[@themaskedman5954]

So you believe astrology at the same time you reject it🙄

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

I don't believe in astrology, either. But them I am Aquarius and Aquarians are too intelligent to believe in astrology and _Woo!_ {:-:-:}

[@billysidness5907]

👏👏👏👏

[@SatoriMusicaofficial]

Hahahah

[@Zebred2001]

Apparently the Pawnee Indians of North America were reasonably advanced star-watchers. They apparently made star-charts on hides. It'd be interesting to review ancient non-western astronomical knowledge.

[@insightfulcarrier]

Remember that old sci fi movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind? All over the world, a series of tones and colors were being - copied around the world? In the movie it was aliens, but let's say a solar maximum of extreme output from the sun, created Aurora Borealis - but huge scale that was observed simultaneously across the planet by various "Priest Class" and recorded on animal hides, cave walls, land formation?

[@johnhough7738]

Be advised, don't follow that line ... it is very addictive. I fell into the trap when I looked into sites dealing with ancient constructions. We all accept them because they are there but few ask "How the heck did they DO that?" ... and such answers as we are given often make no sense at all.

[@vosmash]

I’m obsessed with these videos. As a history major in college I like how you use actual academic methods to debunk popular history myths

[@Thehermitist]

Myths

[@johnhough7738]

Dammit ... I likes me miffs ... I read 'Exploration Fawcett' quite some decades ago (don't ask) and was hooked by the unasked questions; and by the few bones that Fawcett tossed our way. I'm still ravenous, still gnawing bones, my empty-bone pile is now massive - and all I have is ever more questions and a depleting store of years.

[@percubit10]

@@johnhough7738 There is some truth to these. More truth here than in Christianity or Islam or any other Abrahamic religions.

[@johnhough7738]

Why single out 'Abrahamic'? To me all religions (that I know of) are simply con-games to separate the uncritical/and or uneducated from their funds. I'll cheerfully debate this with anyone that doesn't (it means: does NOT) refer me to their 'holy' book. Brrrrr ... just too many of 'em.@@percubit10

[@ericderome]

Oh, did you know that for example the city of Troy was a popular history myth ?? Yes that's right, .... until someone actually FOUND that city !!!! So myth are in (lots of) cases, backed my a true moment or event in history. People that say that one thing IS OR ISN'T a MYTH, is actually , in many cases, taking you for a ride

[@thylacinenv]

Excellent as always. Although Katherine Maltwood can be dismissed as an example of mild British eccentricity, one rascal, Iolo Morgannwg (real name Edward Williams) was responsible for the creation of a pseudo-Druid culture in Wales and celebrated as the world famous Eisteddfod festival. Iolo forged amongst many manuscripts the "Lost" poems by Dafydd ap Gwilym, but his enthusiasm included design resulting in construction of Gorsedd megalithic stone circles dotted around Wales, non of which are ancient although many believe them to be so. His design copies Boscawen-Un located in Cornwall. I would loved to have taken tea with Katherine, probably mad as a March Hare but fascinating non the less.

[@mr.warlight9086]

Finally. Some trustworthy information on the history of the Zodiac calendar.

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

I live not far from Glastonbury. The whole area was a lake in the neolithic and was still largely under water until the middle ages, it wasn't until the 17th century that it was definitively drained. The Somerset levels still flood most winters to some extent, much to the complaint of the locals. There is simply no way such a landscape could have been created without it sinking back into the mud as in fact happened to all the ancient trackways.

[@insightfulcarrier]

Wonder if it is older than The Younger Dryas Event? Before the end of the last Ice Age, England was a mountain range overlooking a valley extending to the French coast which would have been a elevated platue

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

@@insightfulcarrier The area was only a few tens of miles from the ice sheet, it was on the northern edge of the Mammoth steppe or tundra. During summer it would have been marginally habitable for hunters following animals migrating north however most of the year it would have been frozen and under snow.

[@AdvancedLiving]

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, David.

[@AdvancedLiving]

Funny that, last year at this time I was a subscriber to Uncharted X, Brien Forster, Ancient Architects, etc... Now I’m subscribed to this channel, Sacred Geometry Decoded, Stefan Milo, Science Against Myths & Raven’s channel. How times change for us “truth seekers”.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

It's great to hear that listening to both sides has been of benefit to you!

[@AdvancedLiving]

@@WorldofAntiquity I too was asking the questions a lot of them were asking, you and your fellow academics answered those questions with a lot of detail and references. Thanks! It’s good to hear the truth. Funny that those other “truth seekers” haven’t followed down the same path.

[@MrAchile13]

@@AdvancedLiving This is the difference between the truth seekers who adapt and change as they see the evidence emerging and the cult followers who dismiss evidence and logic and still worship Brien and Ben.

[@AsgardPS5]

A Diablo 4 ad at 12:08 played just after you said “but first a necessary evil”👹😈😅

[@danielmarcelventer992]

A real teacher at heart. A role model for any teacher or parent

[@chikentori]

I'm personally an aquarium, and my partner is a stegasuarus. Neither of us believe in the western zodiac, or astrology in general. But am very interested in the magical thinking people adopt. Fascinating. Would love a video on other mystical practices from around the world!

[@bozo5632]

I'm a Vertigo.

[@KerriEverlasting]

@@bozo5632 you win 😂😂😂

[@skipinkoreaable]

I'm a Lego lion.

[@chikentori]

@@skipinkoreaable good to see that this video continues to attract attention!

[@skipinkoreaable]

@@chikentori Yes. I'm new to this channel and this video. Maybe the algorithm is starting to recommend the channel. It certainly is a fascinating video.

[@RoboLamp]

Gotta give kudos to the incredibly diligent work on the captions. They even cover the sections you respond to! It's a small thing most may not end up seeing but is still highly appreciated.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks. I have only done it with a few videos so far, but I am working on it.

[@TheatreofPhil]

I feel like "a deficiency of knowledge" should be the motto of Ancient Aliens.

[@Unclemork]

I really appreciate the attention your videos place on evidence and outlining arguments. I wish more videos considered propositions and built arguments the ways yours do. Keep it up. :)

[@jjfoerch]

Capricornus as a goat-fish did carry over to cultures after Babylon. That is how it is depicted in many old Eurpopean star maps.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Interesting. Good to know!

[@NORTH02]

Watching all of your content, truly great stuff

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks!

[@scienceexplains302]

I “love” the ominous music on ancient alien and similar videos. The lyrics are “Idiot, you are easily impressed by confirmation bias”. Not very poetic lyrics, I know.

[@Dillon75]

Great content as always. Keep it up.

[@ruatarengsicolneyrengsi8924]

Very interesting. Thanks for the upload.

[@michelesilva9491]

Another great video. I would love to hear you go over more ancient alien videos. I’ve long since been a fan of the show, and they make it sound so logical to someone with no education on the subject. But you basically debunk it with facts, and that’s what I like. So if you could go over more of ancient aliens episode I would love it

[@vespasian266]

didn't watch this one on its release but glad I made up today.. you're right. interdisciplinary research is the key to understanding in depth.

[@donnafox6889]

I love how you explain history. I have learned more from you then I ever did when I went to school!!

[@MorganStuart]

Awesome! Exactly the video i was looking for. I searched several times and watched a few videos trying to find this information.

[@bobman3388]

Stellar work Dr Miano, your a real star!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Ha thanks. I like the pun!

[@hollybyrd6186]

I'm glad history with Kayleigh suggested your channel. Awesome video

[@SniperHarry]

The only complaint about these videos is that the are too short. LOL I love the information you are arming us with. Keep it up.

[@JonnoPlays]

For people who don't believe in astrology think about this: Earth is orbiting the sun due to gravity. So do the other planets. Earth is within the gravitational pull of other planets such as Jupiter for example. Gravity is real and all of us standing on earth are within Jupiter's gravitational influence. It's not a far stretch to think that gravity may have some effect on us. This concept didn't make me a believer, but it made me less of a skeptic.

[@squareff255]

Couldn’t agree more on the Glastonbury Zodiac. Great video!

[@thomasmackie922]

I like the more holistic approach to understanding, different disciplines can become very focused and unaware of discoveries in others by putting them together the whole of fuzzy pictures of past can become more resolved.

[@croatoansounds]

So glad these videos are available, every time a friend or family member mentions one of these topics I have an interesting and digestible thing to share with them. For some reason, me googling an answer to give them an answer/explanation is questionable (for my more conspiracy minded friends or family) but, when I send a video (on a Google owned platform haha) they watch them and are more willing to listen

[@marleneadams3042]

Awesome, really enjoyed this video. So glad to find your channel, watching the ADs to help out. Stay well :)

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks for coming by!

[@VictorbrineSC]

I find it amazing that people way before the first civilizations had at least some interest in the stars. It makes you wonder about human curiosity, and it's fascinating to know that even way back, a human could look at the stars, possibly in awe, and perhaps interpret some patterns or movements in their mind, eventually making up stories, and eventually becomes some deities in newborn mythologies. And later on, into actual history, as we were still amazed by the stars, we wanted to find out more, and then came astronomy, and we started uncovering more and more of their secrets. And now it seems that all that's truly waiting for us, is for us to actually meet those stars, go visit them. Interstellar travel might not be for tomorrow, but perhaps one day mankind could become advanced enough, and reach out there into the darkness above, that same darkness our long distant ancestors gazed at.

[@insightfulcarrier]

Remember Plato story of Atlantis, the ancient history suggested that there were 9 previous disasters like the Great Floor. That the Greeks were a childlike race without memory. Perhaps neolithic man watched the Heavens because they knew Catastrophic events came from the Stars. Comet's, asteroids, super nova.... Solar Maximus events... Important notice which group of stars where present during that event (s) would be considered important to "priest class'

[@Bornless666]

So much to learn! Gemini Readings kzbin.info/aero/PLEG2XGhpU6eu-Al6xDXLmaWcL_Ewx2One

[@aaronmarks9366]

Beautifully said

[@garryferrington811]

I would hate to have walked on the Great Floor.

[@paulmiddleton8699]

Really interesting video thank you.

[@Cara.314]

LOVE the channel, been binging all your stuff! It took work to find channels that arent total nonsense on youtube, you and "history for granite" are wonderful! If anyone has some other suggestions for other non-crackpot channels i'd love to hear them :>

[@johnhough7738]

Graham Hancock is my own favourite "go to" crackpot; but- - but the more you experience him the less cracked his pot.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

Oh, cool. I saw the post last night and wanted to see this. I caught it when it's only 3 minutes old =)

[@gustavderkits8433]

Good job! Your last point about the need for interdisciplinary studies with critical analysis is well-taken. There is so little direct evidence for connections between the calendar and asterisms or constellations that fantasy prevails over science in most cases. People want to see something, therefore the see it. For my part, I have always thought the best evidence for a very ancient connection between asterisms, animals, and possibly seasonal patterns is the Lascaux Aurochs as Taurus with the Hyades on its face and the Pleiades over its shoulder.

[@MrBlazingup420]

I only saw one image, the one with a man next to a bull with a bird at his feet, if the Bull is Taurus, the man is Orion, the bird at his feet would be Lepus the rabbit, which was a Rooster first, the problem is, Orion's Sword is pointing the wrong direction, and the bird is on the wrong side of Orion. I know this are as being "The Silver Gate of Man", between Gemini and Taurus, Orion stands in the center. We have "The Golden Gate of the Gods', behind Sagittarius. Did you know, if you play the words "Say There Is A Guest" in reverse, you can hear it echo "Sagittarius", in ancient times known as Pabilsag, his name means "Chief Ancestor", the father of a dying and rising god known as Damu, which has the meaning of "Relative". Scorpio is hard to echo, but I think it is "Wise Quotes", Scorpio is part of the Golden Gate, as well a Ophiuchus, whose echo is "Seek Reefer", LOL, which aids in your "Wise Quotes". The Silver gate speaks too,and their echoes reveal that this is a "Gate". Play the words "Say Oath--They All Rule--Beyond The Mist". Orion's Sword, pointing at the Bull, it speaks too, Hatysa is the star at it's tip, it means "Slaughter", but in Hebrew, you read read right to left, 'yasa' means "Savior", 'hata' means "to sin", meaning "Savior of Sinners". Hiding the word Hatysa is Haya, meaning "Grain/Seed", like that of a Man, Haya is the God of Scribes, guess what, he is also a Door-Keeper, can you can that a gate, and it is the Scribes that write the Wise Quotes we read to day, and if you play Hatysa in reverse, you hear "iosa", which seems to be another way of spelling Jesus, and that word is associated with meaning "Healer", which brings you back to Damu, which is a healer too. I've read where they said Jesus is "The Lion", in the zodiac, that would be Urgula, we call Leo the Lion, 'ur' means Dog, Gula was the mother of Damu, the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula. Now play "Way--I'll Open It--So They Go--See God", in reverse, they echo "August--Regulus--Denebola-Leo". If you didn't know, Regulus is the Heart, Denebola is the tip of the tail, an odd fact, when the Heart of the Lioness tell her its time to hunt, she uses the tip of her tail to communicate with the others on the hunt. In ancient art, it shows a Goddess riding a Lion, must be Virgo, Latin meaning "virgin", a word that hides Man/Woman, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, in Greek, 'gyne' (gin) means Woman, playing the words "Boy/Girl" in reverse will echo "Virgo". Orion is seen battling the bull Taurus, 7 stars giving Orion his hourglass shape, Hatysa is the 8th brightest, but that is his seed, in Latin, 'septem' means Seven, where we get "September", which has an echo "Her Mithras", the "Gohatya" means "Cow Slaughter". In mythology, Seth threw the man part of Osiris into the marsh, where a upon our Southern Fish ate it, found at the foot of Aquarius, known as The Great One Ea, (Enki). Enki is Wise, if you play the words "Say You're Well Taught" in reverse, it echoes "Aquarius", and the word "Ur" also means Wolf, and "Thou Am Wolf" will echo "Fomalhaut" the mouth of the Southern Fish. The Wolf headed son of Seth was known as Wepwawet, the 7 stars of the Little Dipper, who the ancient Greeks called "The Dog's Tail", fore the 7 stars of The Big Dipper was known as Seth, "Thigh of the Ox Leg". Polaris is our pole star, on the other side of Earth's tilt is Vega, which was known as the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula, wife of Pabilsag, mother of "The Child" Damu. Do you have the ears to hear these words

[@john-r-edge]

See Stellarium, sky mapping free and open source. It allows you to display "sky cultures" from various traditions. Wikipedia says that as of version 0.8.1, Stellarium contains 4 different sets of sky cultures: Western, Chinese, Ancient Egyptian, and Polynesian.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks for the tip!

[@beforeoriondotcom]

I use StarryNightPro7. It is built on #NASAJPL formulas. The software isn't free but currently less than half of what I paid. A video showing how Upper Paleolithic peoples viewed the #constellations using StarryNightPro7 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJy5o3p3rZZ-a5I

[@szpakmateusz8500]

It's not about some shapes of animals .. It's about stars .. Regulus, Spica, Pollux, Kastor, Fomalhaut, Altait, Alktur etc .. Maybe some basic archeoastronomy course ??

[@beforeoriondotcom]

@@szpakmateusz8500 There appears to have been animals before the #stars were placed in them to become constellations. We were hunters (and the hunted) before we became skywatchers - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXazf3Wqns15Zsk

[@TheMoneypresident]

Was going to give a Million dollars but the crab wasn't wearing pants.

[@CRT4Dummies]

this is a fantastic presentation. i've often wondered how some small but necessarily disparate number of people way back in antiquity reached a consensus on the symbology they independently observed in the night sky. this has done more to address that interest than probably any other presentation that i've come across. it's also very cool that you lend credence to this interpretation of some of the paleolithic cave paintings. nice work. thank you.

[@Amadeu.Macedo]

BRAVO! Outstanding channel (I'm thankful to another channel, i.e. " Study of Antiquity and the Middle Ages," which introduced me to you). Looking forward to exploring your rich video library (apologies for being financially unable to support you, for I surely would if I had the means to do so)

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks and welcome!

[@grasse77]

Excellent research.

[@huntgar]

Even better video than the great one I expected it to be👍

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Wow, thanks!

[@ashesblues1097]

Having watched many alternative history shows on KZbin it’s a real pleasure to watch a learned wet blanket man give commentary. These shows did however give me a lust for all things ancient and without them I wouldn’t have found yours. Good job. Right I’m off to trawl the rest of your vids to get more countervailing perspectives.

[@johnhough7738]

Okay. I give up. "Wet blanket man"?

[@ashesblues1097]

wet blanket = noun, Synonyms of wet blanket : one that quenches or dampens enthusiasm or pleasure. Eg: We were all having a good time believing in fairy tales of Atlantis until the wet blanket man from World Of Antiquity said it never happened.

[@johnhough7738]

I have no problems with what other people believe. To whatever degrees suits them they've formed conclusions from their researches (okay, their inputs) and seem happy knowing what they know; however rational or otherwise. This is one reason why I rarely debate religion/s ...@@ashesblues1097

[@admiralharlock_z8334]

great topic bro

[@Mozkonauta]

Great video 😁👍

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thanks 😁

[@EchoCian]

These clips are killing me and reminding me of why I both love and hate these kinds of shows: the extremely dramatic music stings for...absolutely nothing happening. I watched a bit of The Curse of Oak Island and I will never forget the absolutely hilarious moment of everyone sitting around a computer, looking incredibly bored, as this tense, horror movie music plays, building up, with dramatic camera angles, until, with a sudden swell and silence the computer watcher said: "Still nothin'." and went back to her half nap as the music faded back to neutral as though disappointed with itself. Amazing television, 10/10.

[@leekestner1554]

There is speculation that some of the carved figures at Gobekli Tepe are referencing constellations.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Discussed in Part 2.

[@NotOrdinaryInGames]

I loved the part when Ancient Aliens Gyez made out shapes from the clouds.

[@EuroWarsOrg]

Back in the day, before technology, the night time stars was their TV. They knew them intimately, their habits and patterns and quirks, as they watched them every night. So I would not be surprised if it goes back further. What amazes me is the neat way in which the Zodiac sits atop the celestial processes, equinoxes, procession and seasons etc. Randall Carlson did a good episode on this.

[@annemacnaughtan3598]

I have been waiting for this since you talked about it on Stefan's channel. I am an Astrologer but have always been interested in the ancient origins and when I heard you and Stefan talk about this I was really excited. Sometimes when you are really looking forward to something and you build it up in your mind the reality can be disappointing. Instead, this has surpassed my expectations. This is a video I will be watching many times over. Thank you so much for doing this and well done.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I am so happy to hear that. Thank you!

[@wenkeadam362]

I grew up in South America in a small town with little light pollution and loved to watch the night sky, but had no idea of how to recognize constellations there. I was only able to locate "Las Tres Marías" (which many, many years later I learned were Orion's Belt). Frustrating! How to figure out a zodiac sign among all those thousands of stars? As a young adult I eventually became a radio operator in the Norwegian merchant fleet, but I still hadn't figured out the constellations. I secretly believed that the Pleiades were the Big Dipper (similar shape, right?) and was looking for other constellations in that size range without discovering any. And I was too ashamed of my ignorance to ask... Until one evening while crossing the Mediterranean I was on the bridge watching the sunset, and as the sky turned darker and the first stars began to appear over the horizon I suddenly got THE revelation! I could clearly see that the stars formed the figure of a lion, and it was enormous! So I just stood there mesmerized by the sight until more and more stars became visible and the shape of Leo slowly merged with the star crowded sky.

[@dubdeluxe6192]

another excellent presentation, great work David!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Thank you!

[@cliffgaither]

@@WorldofAntiquity :: You do us all a disservice, especially after your other good presentations, when you don't go back far enough in time regarding this phenomenon. The Ancient Egyptians were studying this field before any of the Greeks you mentioned and definitely before the Romans. The knowledge of the Ancient Egyptians, in this regard, was the foundation of their existence on the planet, especially the After-Life of the Pharaohs.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@cliffgaither If you know of any Egyptian documents that speak of the Zodiac prior to the Babylonians, please let us know what they are.

[@cliffgaither]

@@WorldofAntiquity :: Shu ( the god of the air ) :: January 26-February 24. Born under this sign :: creative / conscientious. Isis ( goddess of discipline ; wife of Osiris ; motherly-love ) :: February 25-March 26. Born under this sign :: straightforward / confident / idealistic. Osiris ( god of the underworld ) :: March 27-April 25. Born under this sign :: emotionally-paradoxical / enterprising / shys-away from responsibility. Amun ( god of creation ) :: April 26-May 25. Under this sign :: strong-willed / brave / good leaders. Hathor ( goddess of love ) :: May 26-June 24. Characteristics :: emotional / expressive / bi-polar. Anubis ( god of resurrection ) :: July 25-August 28. Profile :: self-confident / self-control. Thoth ( god of wisdom & learning ) :: August 29-September 27. critical-thinkers / problem-solvers. Horus ( god of the sky ) :: September 28-October 27. People close to nature / hard-working / responsible / imaginative. Wadget ( goddess of the royal cobra ) :: October 28-November 26. rational / cautious / conscientious / opinionated. Sekhmet ( goddess of war ) :: November 27-December 26. optimistic / imaginative. Sphinx ( "guardian" ) :: December 27-January 25. sensible / adaptable. Seth ( god of chaos ) :: May 28-June 18. ambitious. Bastet ( cat goddess ) :: July 14-28 / September 23-27 / October 3-17. Born under this sign :: charming / charismatic. The Nile ( a non-god ) :: January 1-7 / June 19-September 28. The Nile is the Beginning. passionate / impulsive. Geb ( god of the earth ) :: February 12-19 / August 20-30. diplomatic / tactful. 📌 The Babylonian Empire didn't predate the Egyptian Civilization. Most historians and archeologists place Egyptian Civilization beginning around 3100 BCE, 12 Centuries before the rise of the Babylonians. I'm not a historian or archeologist ... but you guys _who are_ ... should converse more ...

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@cliffgaither You seem to be under the mistaken notion that Egyptian civilization existed only before Babylon and not after.

[@julianregnier9764]

Thank you!

[@hectorortega2208]

Hi! Thanks for the info! Is there any easily understood academic book that you would recommend and talks about the history of astrology in the ancient cultures in a introductorily handbooklike manner? Thanks very much in advance.

[@aydnofastro-action1788]

I really appreciate the thoroughness of this video, and the solid critique of the last few examples. I especially like your call to interdisciplinary collaboration. I don't know if you are aware that there is a scientist who discovered those same for fixed zodiac signs on stones at Göbekli Tepe which would date the zodiac prior to 9000BC E. So at this point we would be talking about the zodiac lost in antiquity and being possibly sourced in Atlantis, if Atlantis, did indeed exist. Also, thank you for not taking jabs at Astrology itself. Also, look into Robert hand, if you have not yet. And if you want to get red pilled on Astrology, see Cosmos and Psyche by Rick Tarnas. Cheers! OK I see you do have a video one Gobekli Pepe and the zodiac.

[@DeDunking]

I had to come see how you put this together, Doc. I ain't a fan of Ancient Aliens, but I do like me some archaeoastronomy. Do you nail this, or before I respond to your vid on pillar 43 am I gonna have to do this? Will your vid on pillar 43 change my opinion? Will this video change my opinion? I dunno, let's find out *cracks beer

[@DeDunking]

Good stuff, although I do believe you're missing part of the picture. But you touched on why at the end, you're an archeologist, not an astronomer or such. But I do applaud you not taking some "we got this artifact and its the oldest so meh" position, which would be the most advantageous for you in these debates. I know I criticize you sometimes, in defense of Hancock's work usually, but I criticize Hancock a ton too. Not playing teams here, I want truth.

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

@@DeDunking I believe Dr. Miano is an historian. 😃

[@showingyourtruepath7517]

I found this video very helpful. I'm not sure if I could really tell that the landscape looked like the constellations. I am fascinated by history and Astrology. so I really enjoyed this. As I am writing this you as basically saying the same thing using SpongeBob 🤣.

[@RhodeIslandWildlife]

Thank You

[@RogueEva]

you said unnecessary eliv and Disney advert started. Nice :) great video btw, thank you

[@deathdoor]

Ah, I think I know about what you'll talk about Golbektepe. I don't belive that "the zodiac" existed until recorded story but I do belive that humans looked and though about the skies. It's something that they must have tried to understand, because "the above" is a place where a bunch of strange phenomenons happen. Things that humans would remember, discuss and record (like they maybe did at Golbek).

[@bernietaylor728]

In the #shamanic and #animistic traditions there are 3 planes of existence - above, terrestrial and below - kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHu5noWfm8-Cfbc

[@danushairan]

@world of Antiquity: Thanks for the information. I was hoping to make a suggestion on this topic. I would suggest considering using another topic as well in this regard and that would be a calendar. I have a hypothesis that these 2 are related as the underlying mathematical principles are the same (Using 3, 6, 9, and 12 as the base). Not to mention both origin seems to be similar. Moreover, the Babylonian calendar was a lunar calendar and these signs were used to identify the months and communicate them. That would be very useful for centralized farming and trade. Which would explain how human society could be so complex during the bronze age. Also, that would explain why most cultures had it in one form or another as they use to do trade and for trade, you need to be able to time things in advance. I would appreciate hearing your opinion on the likelihood of this hypothesis.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

If you’re asking whether I think the calendar and the Zodiac are related, yes, absolutely.

[@sdnw1840]

19:23 But are you really so sure that isn't Mr. Krabs? I think you actually might be onto something.

[@Sestra_Prior]

So, KZbin is reading my mind. I've been watching programs about Gobekli Tepe, and wondering why archaeologists are assuming that the ancients named the constellations like we did, using the same images: bear, scorpion, hunter etc. Guess I'm about to find out! Really interesting, informative and, most importantly, objective video. I'm looking forward to watching your video on GT now.

[@psicologamarcelacollado5863]

I find your content so intriguing that I would like to share it with my friends (and "enemies"), but most of them speak Spanish. Would you be interested in a translation?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Yes, I would be interested. Shoot me an email. My address is in the About section of my channel page.

[@tkc1129]

Just what I was looking for, from someone reliable.

[@umsrum]

Because I remembered the date's for all the zodiac signs as a kid by calling the daily horoscope line. I now use it as a way to remember when people's birthdays are coming up. I personally think the stories told are a way to remember .

[@markanderson3740]

Spent my childhood as a happy go lucky Sag. Now I am Ophiuchus, the depressed adult version.

[@williamcormier5073]

Thanks!

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Much appreciated!

[@balaurslaxl]

I don't know if you read comments ten months later but I just wanted to highlight the disingenuousness of the ancient aliens team at the end. Magli says things like, "it may be", "it's possible", Tsoukalos then says, as fact, "they built it to be Gemini, why?" It's a really standard tactic the alternate history crowd do. Take a possibility, in this case exaggerate it, then continue on as if that original idea is established fact. Then from there they build more suggestions, then continue on as if they also are fact. Till by the time you reach the end of a book or TV show you have a whole house of cards built on incredibly shaky foundations. Great content by the way. Definitely got my subscription. I'm enjoying going through your back catalogue

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Yes, they do that a lot, don't they? Thank you for watching!

[@cul9193]

Gotta love the dramatic sound in the...."documentaries"

[@rafaelfcf]

DUMB QUESTION... how did they know the sun passed through those constellations if they couldn't see starts during the day?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

I think they just became familiar with the sun's path sufficiently enough so that at night by memory they knew where it would be.

[@bernietaylor728]

One can see the stars about 30 min before sunrise. They were also charting the stars every night so they knew what would happen the next month, week, day and hour

[@doctorspockARTS]

They seen what stars came up before the sun came out and they noticed what stars were out when the sun set.

[@QUIRK1019]

It's not a dumb question at all. But not only does the sun travel along that path during the day, planets also travel along it at night. Early astronomers from several different cultures were able to make this observation

[@cristiangalvan9219]

Interesting video, though here is some food for thought Gobekle Tepe in Anatolia may be the earliest confirmable reference we have for prehistoric man's understanding of the Zodiac, and for precession in particular. The archaeological site, located within the Taurus Mountains, has been found to represent the Pleiades in their circular placement. We know this because, unbeknownst to many, Gobekli Tepe, and Enclosure D in particular (which is the largest this far) is located within a massive geoglyph of a bull. This is only seen from above, and the enclosures are located exactly within the "bull's" shoulder, which has historically been understood to represent the Pleiades. Unfortuantely, tourism has destroyed most resemblance of this geoglyph to accommodate parking lots and tourist centers. This hypothesis is further corroborated by the now famous Pillar 43 you mentioned, which likely represents Cygnus and Scorpio in their correct positions. While this is not a fully realized set of 12 constellations the gradually shifting orientations of the enclosures as time dragged on suggests that the builders of the site understood that the sky shifted with time, and while no evidence has been found thus far to prove this (its likely still buried) its not a far stretch from here to assume they came to understand Precession. Just imagine how dizzying it must have been for the first shamans, usually in their psychedelic stupor, that realized the they were standing on a wobbling needlepoint. Im a Libra sun and Mercury with Cancer Moon and Rising,. I have to consider possibility that makes too much sense for it not to make sense. Im also Scorpio Mars and Venus, so I can get aggressive, which I would like to apologize to the creator for cuz we butted heads earlier. Ill read your rebuttal later.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

See Part 2, which is about that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIbHe3aMrNZ9hK8

[@savannahshepherd2283]

Ancient astronaut theoriest always say yes. Who is this collection of people? Only the yes man knows. Fantastic channel btw! I wish more of these groups would use lidar! 😅

[@timflatus]

21:57 (inset 00:01:48:45) zoom up from - Burrow Mump while Hugh is talking about Glastonbury Tor 😄😃😄

[@erins.5420]

@28:15 the old Astro mapping art…can you provide me the source to that? I want to take a closer look at the individual images. I tried random searches for astrological art and multiple variations and couldn’t find them. If it’s too much trouble I understand it’s not overly important. It just peaked my fancy.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

It's from John Bevis's Uranographia.

[@doctorspockARTS]

I haven't finished watching the video yet but alot of people base their theories on the zodiac being around for at least 10,000 years. I've been wondering how far we can trace them back.

[@SkibroDuck]

11,000 years ago.

[@mathewsympsun671]

I know this is probably a long shot but what website is that at the 10:12 mark? I've tried to find it but no luck. Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.

[@GandarDooM]

Here is one piece of information that maybe attract your attention. It's about the perfect overlap between the Vedic way of calculating time and astrophysics, i.e. the cycle of the movement of our planet. It is generally known that modern science recognizes a third axis along which the earth moves, which is called the precession of the equinoxes or Plato's year, or Great Year, and which lasts 25920 years. When it is divided by 12, that is, the number of constellations towards which the central axis of the earth tilts, we get a period of 2160 years per constellation (time period in the zodiac sign). So, roughly, from 139 BC to 2021 AD, we were in the Age of Pisces (Christians used fish as a symbol of the new age), from 2299 BC to 138 we were in the age of Aries, from 4459 BC to 2298 BC we were in the age of the Taurus (from the end of that era is the famous sculpture of Mithra killing the bull), ... and and so on. On the other hand, we have the existence of two formalized traditions with different interpretations of cosmic time, the followers of Asuras and the followers of Devas. That is, Two variations of Surya Siddhanta: The first Mayasura with Conjunction in Aries FEB 22. 6778 BC and second Latadeva with Conjunction in Pisces 17/18. FEB. 3101 BC. According to the second Latadeva tradition, the Maha yuga lasts for 4.320.000 years and is divided into four periods, each twice shorter than the previous one. Satya yuga lasts 1.728.000 years, Treta Yuga lasts 1.296.000, Dvapa yuga lasts 864.000 years and Kali yuga lasts 432.000 years. If we take any of those numbers and try to divide them by the previously mentioned length duration of the time period of one zodiac sign (2160 years) we get whole numbers, not decimal numbers as would be normal to expect. And so: Kali yuga in 432000 years contains exactly 200 such periods of zodiac signs Dvapa yuga in 864000 years contains exactly 400 such periods of zodiac signs Treta Yuga in 1296000 years contains exactly 600 such periods of the zodiac signs Satya yuga in 1728000 years contains exactly 800 periods of such zodiac signs Maha yuga thus lasts exactly 2000 periods of the zodiac signs. The chance that it's just a coincidence is less than 0.05 percent. Conclusion is that our ancestors were familiar with the precession of the equinoxes from at least 31,044 BC, which is how long it took them to follow only one full precession cycle.

[@thhseeking]

At 23:40 you mention "Samian Ware" as being Greek pottery. I've only heard that term used for the "terra sigillata" made in Gaul during the Roman period.

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Hmm. I did not realize that. I assumed "Samian" meant from Samos. But maybe the samian ware found there was from Gaul.

[@golddragonette7795]

You're correct, samian ware was only made in Roman Gaul, the Greek equivalent would be closer to the black figure pottery tradition of Athens

[@alfredstutter]

1:10, my favourite takeaway is probably chicken Korma.

[@Brandedtrust]

15:13 - “the swallow and the fish” - a bird is just an air fish

[@LiLi-or2gm]

I asked an "astrologist" to determine my birthdate by only asking me questions about my personality. He failed miserably.

[@AWKWARDCONFIDENCE]

He’s not a real one I guess😂

[@ricklamuerte]

You're right but I can't unsee Mr. Crab...

[@MrJerry-cq3ue]

As a practitioner of astrological magic, I believe the absence of the signs mentioned in the boundary stones could be related to those signs not being suitable for the workings intended, since most of them are “soft” signs in themselves and the planets related to them.

[@Bornless666]

Gemini Readings kzbin.info/aero/PLEG2XGhpU6eu-Al6xDXLmaWcL_Ewx2One

[@helenamcginty4920]

When I first came across this years ago it was in an article noting a lot of what you mention plus the fact that scale is never taken into account. A pencil line on a map can cover anything from metres to miles on the ground depending on scale. Eg roads are marked with thin lines on maps but we all know that they are metres wide on the ground.

[@rafaelfcf]

Have you ever thought on writing a series on the Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian etc. gods/myths and their development throughout time? Like take a god/myth, show how society transformed its representation along the eras? After I found out Aphrodite was a bootlegged Inanna I was shook, SHOOK! I always thought the Greek gods were... you know... Greek! I even tried to read more about them going into primary sources and stuff, but the problem is that I can't figure out which text came first, or from where, or from whom. So far, I understood geopolitical movements drastically changed the pantheon, their relations to each other and specially the main god, but I have not enough knowledge to figure out WHAT IS GOING ON! Hehehehehehehehe... HEEEEEEEEELP! Like, who's the first chief of the gods? Anu? Enki? Enlil? Does it change from Sumerians to Assyrians, or even withing Sumerian society? WHO IS MARDUK and who invited him? Is Anu and Uranus the same guy? What about the Kumarbi? Is the cutting of the ... jews... a Hurrian thing that became a Hittite thing, and finally a Greek thing? Or Enlil was chopping some godhood away millennia ago? Is it true that Ereshkigal became Persephone and Ashera Demeter first in the rape os Kore for the Myceneans and years later they decided to do a Hollywood and reboot the myth into an Adonis story with Persephone and proper Aphrodite? I even read somewhere that Anu, or Enlil (I can't remember which), was written in a very similar group of consonants as YHWH. It was something like YHNH or YNWH I can't remember! Is mythology and religion the ancient version of the DC Universe with their 8 Jokers, some of them contemporary?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

It's a fascinating topic that I may get to someday. But it's important to differentiate between a situation in which a deity is taken from another country and a situation in which an already-existing deity from one country is equated with an already-existing deity from another. The latter happened a lot. For example, the Roman god Jupiter and the Greek god Zeus were equated, but that doesn't mean the Romans got their god from the Greeks. Jupiter and Zeus existed in their respective cultures before the Romans and Greeks ever met.

[@rafaelfcf]

@@WorldofAntiquity yeees, like in Brazil where the Yoruba god Oxalá became equated to Jesus in current time! So now we have black-jesus, or crucified Yoruba god. I just find fascinating the WHY of it. Unfortunately, the ancient Middle East/Southern Europe/Northern Africa thing is not for noobs! hehehehehehehhee

[@rafaelfcf]

@@WorldofAntiquity BTW, do you have any suggestions of authors/books/articles who might tackle this topic?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

@@rafaelfcf I can't think of any offhand, but if I run across a good one, I will post it here.

[@bernietaylor728]

@@rafaelfcf Beyond the Blue Horizon by EC Krupp. Used copies on Amazon at $4 or your public library

[@drona9]

What is your view of the astronomy / Astology mentioned the the Rig Veda, which is dated to 1500 BCE, though some claim is much older?

[@helenamcginty4920]

I love that we now know that some of the 'stars' in constellations are actually far distant galaxies. Also that the light from each 'star' left its home at different numbers of light years before being visible on earth. And that the light from our nearest star, the sun, isnt included in the main influences attributed to the constellations. All because the ancients didnt have telescopes. Astronomers didnt even know there were galaxies other than the milky way until 1924 when Edwin Hubble discovered that there were other galaxies out there.

[@dhindaravrel8712]

There are ads on youtube?

[@surfk9836]

How about teaming up with an astronomer and show the distance between each star in any given constellation. Show the constellations in 3d, as opposed to the 2d we see. Then invite any astrologer to explain how these bodies, in their real dimensions and proportions, can effect a person's characteristics and daily condition?

[@helenamcginty4920]

Never could work out how the ancients joined the dots. Because I cant 'see' any of the supposed signs when I look at the night sky. Years ago I was interested in finding out about hiroscopes etc. I found some big books in local reference library. It didnt take me long to discover that each personality type was the same as all the others just using different words or putting characteristics in different orders. It also had negative attributes. These is never mentioned by most books or articles. It was very interesting but, just as reading more about my religion had done, persuaded me that it was all nonsense.

[@shanosantwanos3908]

Megolithic ..big. The big times..just after the small or minorlithic.

[@PathsUnwritten]

"Big Rocks" Times, actually. Loving them some big rocks.

[@Great_Olaf5]

Also minor comes from Latin, and mega comes from Greek, the equivalent would be microlithic.

[@MetaPhysStore0770]

What about the nazca lines in the peru landscape being older zodiac or star map than the zodiac constellation traditions of babylonian origins?

[@Bernie_777]

Astrology is fascinating! Although i don't believe that planets can influence the course of our life( i don't believe either that a ghost can decide our destiny) i find amazing that it comes from ancient times and still exists😲

[@johnhough7738]

Love that oblique 'destiny-defining' (ghosty) bit. You/I/we may not believe, but such beliefs had very powerful effects. Still do ... sadly.

[@SatoriMusicaofficial]

Amazing video and very helpful! A question came up while watching : was there a time where astrology was more of an importantance in society and that social and political decisions where based upon the stars? Or was astrology always a niche like it is now? So for example : was there a time that a Greek king decided to have a Scorpio as an army general because he thought the fireish personality of Scorpio would be more suitable for the job.? Or maybe a Nobel father is picking a Leo for his daughter to be married with. So IF there was a time that astrology was leading the politics why did that ends? Did Christianity downgraded astrology?

[@WorldofAntiquity]

Astrology was very much used to make decisions in the ancient Near East and ancient China. There was a bit of it in classical civilization too, but not as much.

[@honeyhunters6055]

Astrology is day to day life in India.

[@MrBlazingup420]

​@@WorldofAntiquity You may have to look at a video of my comment, because the PUNKS at KZbin deletes them all the time, so I must record all my reply's, I can call you or KZbin every 4 letter word in the book, and it would not get deleted until you or someone else reported it, many of my deleted comments are about the zodiac and planets, I reveal how they can speak and YT seems to not like it. I have many short videos of deleted comments from here on YT. I can post a comment to you and YT will delete it and I'll have a video of the deleting from your eyes seeing it, like the one I uploaded this morning, that had nothing but simple math but it was associated with the cycles of the inner planets. What I say next may get this comment deleted, but it will be a small example of what they delete. The word Virgin comes from 2 words, Latin 'VIR' meaning Man, Greek 'GYNE' meaning Woman, in the zodiac that would be Virgo, I use "Say It Backwards", play the words "Boy/Girl" backwards it says "Virgo", something you can not debunk, it says what it says, Virgo rules 3 weeks of September, now play "Her Mistress Boy/Girl"

[@maidende8280]

It was very important for a lot of history - at least in the upper cases. It took a real nosedive during the Enlightenment when there was a shift from more holistic to more secular thinking. But I’m sure there were other times astrology’s important waxed & waned.

[@Psy0psAgent]

@@honeyhunters6055 the planet has moved. The signs are now off apparently.

[@blooscorn2895]

Fantastic as always. I'm still not sure I get the "what would be the significance of the zodiac being older than conventionally established?" even after watching the video, but I do love me a well produced youtube history lesson.

[@johnhough7738]

The significance? If we can tell how old the Zodiac is then we know how old mathematics and associated measuring/recording system are. And with the widespread spreading of such (ouch) we can gauge the sophistication of ancient sciences. BUT~! But don't go down that track, the further you do the more the grip it will have, until it may well become an obsession. Been there, done that ...

[@brizo68yeah74]

I was a test tube baby. My star sign is Pyrex.

[@shaolin1derpalm]

The Libra/Scorpio thing is very interesting to me.

[@Depipro]

As someone who has enjoyed the Farscape series, I had to smile when you replaced "Scorpio" with "Scorpius".

[@drakedorosh9332]

Jiroft cultural artifacts have inlaid circles on them. The loom weights that look like handbags are very ornate. If Martin Sweatman is right about those shapes being "houses" aka constellations it would be neat/lucky if they convey astronomical info in the dots. When I first saw a jug with a scorpion man on it, which was excavated by Russians and in an Archaeology Magazine, I was sure it must be Scorpio. It didn't actually look like a match for Scorpio though. (It was a game board) :( I've mused over a few other images just trying to keep an open mind to the modern constellations plus the actual stars as shown in photographs. Not really easy if you don't know what the actual stars the Jiroft people actually knew. It could just be decorations after all. Like in your earlier video you had double snake vase images. Those looked like Jiroft style but the "stars" on those look more like dots decorating snakes. Maybe another clue will pop up. In the Jiroff culture they had a red dot in the center of the Scorpion and now days a red star Antares is called the Heart of the Scorpion which is in the modern Scorpio Constellation. As a superstition it is very conservative.

[@paulhench7762]

I'm very curious as to if there is evidence that ancients cultures had discovered the procession of the zodiac, prior to Hipparchus, who is credited with this discovery. Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any discussion of this in this video. Maybe you have discussed it elsewhere. If so, where can I look? Thank you for your great videos!

[@johnhough7738]

Considered a crank, Graham Hancock makes a very useful point-of-entry for enquiring minds. His signature line is that "...Mankind is a species with amnesia ..." My advice is that if you do go there, be in no hurry to leave, but be warned - it can be very addictive.

[@innovati]

Have you run into stories told through star symbols? Like do people describe certain seasons or years as "When this constellation did that to some other contemplation"?