The Believing Brain: Evolution, Neuroscience, and the Spiritual Instinct

[@bonnie1097]

The most educated minds are still human. No one can ever know the vastness or the beginnings of time and universe. We don't know what we don't know. And that's ok.

[@Nonentity33]

But we do not now today what we will know tomorrow.

[@isaiah7640]

Actually the ancient kemetics explained it. All u have to do is research you know

[@Leadership_matters]

I know!

[@amandacasey3724]

i agree, and it’s all speculation, and what we know vs what we don’t is such strange vastness of understanding. yet the ways we learn about ways of knowing are unique to our experiences and that should be appreciated as a start. i think we shouldn’t create objective truths but rather ideas to follow we can interpret on our own as meaningful or not to our life

[@mariconsciencia139]

ignorant and limited comment, dude! wake up, you’re more than that.

[@jwvandegronden]

1:14:16 what a beautiful and inquisitive question and what a downer of a response by the panel except for only one who understood the thought experiment. Mr. Greene never fails to impress me, including his follow up questions which are instrumental to the quality of the conversation! The end is very telling: they all come down with a bad case of materialism except for Zoran Josipovic I woke up too the last chapters of this conversation and thanks to Mr Zoran Josipovic i'm eager to rewatch it in it's entirety!

[@lk6238]

For me, it is very interesting that from eastern old philosophy, they CLOSE their eyes and they do their study, observation, and meditation, and they gain wisdom and knowledge. For example, Buddha did this way. In western philosophy, they OPEN their eyes and they do their study, observation, and calculation, and they gain discoveries and knowledge. In both cases, the doer is human, the curious human. We need to seek the combined knowledge from both ways to get a better understanding of human inside out.

[@smartspiritsergzh9892]

Exactly!!! That's IT:)))

[@smartspiritsergzh9892]

At least:))) God hellps:))

[@OQFaust]

Agreed and it's only going to change and diversify in the future since this is evolution always trying to optimize better ways to truth to map out this wondrous universe that we live in. Kinda interesting though because as of now, that's also true when it comes inner work. One can face his demons both through introspection or through exposure in the natural world.

[@angermanager2116]

Open one eye.

[@jorgemedinaruttell7956]

It doesn't work that way,

[@Christ_Is_Life10-10]

This is an important topic. I wish there was room for more diversity of experiences.

[@TheLibraryOfEmotions]

"Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real"(◕◡◕✿) - (physicist) Niels Bohr

[@leif1075]

@Ankit Punia why can't quarks be regarded as real? They certainly are in the sense that they are elementary particles...just not actual marble or point like particles in a clasical.sense..just some kind of wavefunction like electrons or other elementary particles...

[@josephlancaster7997]

To deny matter it's reality...leads only to...madness.

[@josephchristopher2427]

@Ankit Punia look broke you are real and cleansed and BET now are God less in your everyday, probably cause it said he would turn his back on you at the end and it can upload you all at once or peice by peice. I know of a few my imaginaed Crew and I have not met anyone in person.

[@ВремяПеремен-р1б]

@@josephlancaster7997 Well, actualy madness is the acceptance of the idea that reality is made of microscopic marbles. Matter is just a level of organisation of energy. And energy is just a level of organisation of information. And information is a fundamental form of existence similar to absolute absence of it.

[@robertk1992]

@Ankit Punia This is correct. I believe there are a few people close to the ultimate answer or the truth. wont be long before connective consciousnesses solves all problems. happy contentment.

[@justkidding3040]

I'd love to see this panel take Ayahuasca and then talk again on the same subject 💫💖💫

[@andykappes5708]

ASE lol

[@TaPharoah]

Sounds dangerous.

[@michellehenrico9480]

True

[@andrewsirchenko9663]

Ahah) I think it would be a revolutional panel)

[@andrewsirchenko9663]

@P R Sure. That’s why it’s impossible to get to know consciousness. Its all about experience

[@10buk2]

Awareness is the key to discovery. Every animal and every human has the ability to be aware

[@curtcoller3632]

yes ... and at some point "awareness" becomes self consciousness.

[@mschau9136]

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[@angelusvastator1297]

Absolutely. But humans are more aware of the abstract, metaphysical etc.

[@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked]

Science > Scientism Spiritual > Religion Dualist evidence > Material atheism dogma

[@jameshopkins3541]

@@curtcoller3632 I THINK SO I EXIST only humans can say that becausse of his superior brain cortex

[@davidbutler378]

The fear of falling off a cliff as you approach that cliff can motivate you to stop before you fall off that cliff. However, sometimes (the religious example) you need to relieve yourself of that stress when you can't remove the source of that stress. There are plenty examples of the latter.

[@TheListener01]

Thank you all!! If I could add, I wish we could stop creating the void between religions and realize how completely the same most are. Again. Thank you!

[@staninjapan07]

I would have thought it better to say something similar but with people, and not religions, as the subject. Agreed, there are similarities between religions. There is one striking aspect that is almost universal among religions, though. They are all exclusive. Every one of them with a central doctrine even if it not explicitly written... exclusivity. Mine is right and youirs is wrong.* They cannot all be right. ( * the view of believers, and not my personal view)

[@staninjapan07]

@Capsicum Onion Thanks for replying. I am sorry, I do not quite follow your point. You seem to be suggesting that if I were to adopt Hunduism or become and adherent, then I would no longer hold the viewpoint I expressed above. Is that right?

[@frankwestphal8532]

At the root of all this are questions. They are the purest form of curiosity. I have found that a great way to tap into the conciseness of the universe and beings within it, is to lay in a dark quiet room and ask questions. When we ask questions we are by default listening instead of thinking. And we can listen with our minds just like we listen with our ears. Ask a question. Did you hear an answer? Did you feel an emotion? Where did those come from? Are the answers or feelings anything you could have possibly ever thought of individually? Congratulations. You are possibly talking to the universe or other beings within just like us, maybe non physical though. Ask if it is the universe. Ask if it's something/someone else. Ask who you are talking to. Ask specific questions. When you're connected, you can have a conversation. It is absolutely profound. Nikola Tesla talked about this exact thing. He said he would get information from an external source then work out the mechanics of the concept(s) in his mind, then build it in physical reality. I have done this. I do this. Many others do as well. Most of us do it daily and don't even realize it. Consciously realizing that you are connected, is a profound experience. I think this is what people have experienced when they say they have felt God come into their lives. And I love what the Dalai Lama said. I've come to the same conclusion. When reaching into the depths of science and combining that with an amazing first hand personal experience, I have come to the conclusion that the universe is a conscious being, and that all things in it are conscious as well. The reason there is something instead of nothing, is becasue of the universe's conscious intent to explore and understand itself. And that it is consciousness which holds together pockets of low entropy, where things like the equations of classic physics hold true as long as that consciousness holds those areas together. Without science we could not create the things we do in this particular pocket of low entropy. But without the consciousness of the universe, it would not exist to begin with. And then there's free will... The universe intentionally gave us a free will, so that we could help it explore itself and ourselves at the same time. Over billions of years, we too can become creators of universes. In a sense, we can catch up with the universe's rate of creation and understand it in it's entirety. At that point, there is nothing left to learn or explore here, so we create our own universe to continue learning and exploring. And the universe wants that for us. It encourages to become co creators. That's why, although exploration is very hard, it is rewarded greatly in many different forms.

[@woodygilson3465]

You're talking to yourself and your brain isn't a reliable source.

[@dhoroniboruah]

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[@jaggery00]

Wonderful talk ! I am an open minded person and proud and happy to say that I am Hindu. I follow my religion and my Gods not because of religion sake but because when I prey to my Idol of God or a picture of a god, It brings my body physically, mentally and emotionally in HARMONY and in Balance with whatever Elements are there which regulates our Human Bodies. Can not explain anything scientifically but just through personal experience. God is a Moral Support when you need him/ her. We need someone when there is no one to depend on. Why we have different religions because everyone feels better by following one a kind god. We all are different so we all follow different gods. But pushing someone or dragging someone to follow their own religion to expand their religion in the world is WRONG. Extremely WRONG. Follow what you BELIEVE IN. That's my Way.

[@vak5461]

That was really beautifully explained Thank you very much. I feel like I do understand, at least a tiny bit more 💗

[@CJ-tc7xh]

Why not just depend on yourself? Your inner god or your inner peace? Religion is no longer needed in this day and age. We can find peace and harmony from within. It’s all dependent on your outlook of things. Believing in things that hold no truth behind it is keeping us at bay as an evolving species. If we were all religious we’d probably be extinct now. Become more aware and stand for the future of our survival.

[@jessicahorton7552]

@@CJ-tc7xh Can a dependence on a god of some sort not be the brain’s way of depending on itself? Perhaps a projection of characteristics such as strength, courage, and capability onto a higher being who you believe in whom presumably also believes in you is how the brain depends on itself after all. Besides this though, if one’s beliefs bring them peace and do no harm onto others, then what is the issue? There is no need to invalidate other people’s spiritual views or bring them down for it. These ideas are so sacred to whom they belong to, and if these interpersonal views have done nothing to hurt you, the person who holds them, or others, then they deserve respect.

[@antonioscendrategattico2302]

@@jessicahorton7552 True. But to be fair, that's a big if. THere's a pretty undeniable correlation between most mainstream religions in the world and conservative views on society, focused on benefitting oneself and one's immediate community to the expense of everyone else, and the idea that there's only one right way to live and everything else outside of that is wrong.

[@blinkybit]

Not everyone feels better by believing it following a god as you say. The best thing that ever happened to me was being kicked out of the Jehovah witness cult. Now I'm a post. grad. with a few science degree and I can't believe how stupifying religious ideology is. Ignorant belief systems of convenience.

[@edwoods845]

I considered myself an agnostic until I completed grade 12 physics at the same time I discovered the Emerald Tablet. Learning that Newton was one of the translators of it realised that they're both describing the same concepts. I literally found God through understanding physics

[@miraa2k16]

I get it totally. I grew up christian and my monk friend asked me a question I didn't know about Babylon and suddenly two months later of intensive study and scholar work and I'm completely convinced that either everything is real and profound or none of it is

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

Does physics demonstrate the trinity, transubstantiation, or virgin birth?

[@MrSidney9]

Congratulations. You’re still living in the 18th century. Does anyone actually think Newton would still be theist if he was living today? Consider also that He was not just a Christian. he was what one that today one would call a nut job of a Christian, who spent most of his time deciphering prophecies. Perspective: about 96%of modern physicists and 70% of modern philosophers are agnostic/atheists. The most he would have been is some kind of Deist.

[@miraa2k16]

@@MrSidney9 now that just isn't true. A simple Google search and the first thing I see is the myth of 95% actually being about 49% of scientists in general describe themselves as non religious affiliated. The other 51% is only about half as much as the public believes in general and that is actually about 95% of people in the world believe in a deity or higher power. In conclusion, don't speculate about a dead human being and instead go look it up

[@edwoods845]

@@MrSidney9 if only that were true... what a time the 18th century would have been to be alive. I could have been a real live pirate. Thanks for the insight about Newton. Add that to the list of what I'll assume are your many great contributions to the development of civilization. Cheers 🃏

[@brettneuberger6466]

Zoran’s explanation of non-duality is about as good as it gets. The moderator is clearly biased toward materialism, as he essentially ignored him the remainder o the discussion. A huge problem with science is its resistance to ambiguity. If one considers personal experience to be an indicator of Truth, and consequently, reality, Zoran’s offering the only perspective that can be universally experienced by all of humankind. Everyone else is presenting theory and belief.....exactly like religion. Belief in materialism is every bit as much a belief as is a belief in a god.

[@turn-turtleeducationalmedi6009]

I agree. It's also Interesting that this panel, assembled to discuss "The Believing Brain," does not contain a single "believing brain" or anyone with a true spiritual perspective. And every person chosen to represent the spiritual side of the equation in the video was, in fact, was agnostic at best. This includes the Dalai Lama since Buddhism seems to me to be pretty much an agnostic belief system from an alethiological viewpoint and atheistic from and epistemological viewpoint. What shocked me the most is that Greene and Pinker identified with a "tribe" but lumped all Jewish people (14 million +) in with a Jewish-yet-atheist worldview. This can't possibly be correct, can it? It seems to me that their scientific process is flawed and has become a religion called "scientism" even among those who claim it is not.

[@2CSST2]

@@turn-turtleeducationalmedi6009 'It's also Interesting that this panel, assembled to discuss "The Believing Brain," does not contain a single "believing brain" ' It's the World *Science* Festival hosting an event about the subject of the believing brain, I don't see what's so interesting about it. I'd be surprised if they didn't talk about that subject, but I don't see exactly why the panelists themselves have to incarnate the subject. What if the subject was reptiles, would you be surprised not to see a crocodile invited to give his opinion? XD Before you try to get Brian Greene in a "getcha" moment, you better think about what you're saying yourself lol

[@2CSST2]

Materialism is just based off what we observe *empirically*, that's a first major distinction with faith. But also, it's subject to change in its definition or also can be itself rejected upon evidence and again according to how it's defined. Now if you're talking about someone who believes that the world is just materialistic in whatever sense no matter what, just like the faiths of religion, THEN yes it is like them. That's just because you're not even talking about science or skepticism anymore, you just made up another religion as if it proves that any position is like religion, which is absurd.

[@hollyweaver1442]

All really good points

[@brettneuberger6466]

@@2CSST2 Yes. I completely agree. “Truth” is relative to one’s perspective; which, I suppose, makes a good argument to never blame (judge) someone for being “wrong,” since the only way to be wrong is if we know for certain there’s an absolute (we’re) right. Maybe there’s just “is,” absent of absolute right and wrong; perhaps absent of any-thing. This isn’t to suggest “isness” couldn’t have qualities and be a practical way to live, yet, the only way to really know is to experience what it’s like to live as the “is.” Interesting proposition. Is this the answer? Live as is without thinking or judging? Just live, just be? Seems like we’d be much more peaceful individually AND collectively. If my logic is sound and my assumption correct, I suppose this gives us a good guess at what isness could be made of. Which begs the question, how then could anyone complain about the quality of their life if it couldn’t get any better than it is? Of course, everything I’m saying is relative. Kinda makes one think though. 😉

[@Rob337_aka_CancelProof]

I guess that Pink Floyd concert when I was 20 and had a Pocketful of windowpane and seats on the 14th row Center Stage would qualify as a spiritual experience as it still leads to a physical reaction when I remember the saxophone solo for Shine On You Crazy Diamond and how completely transfixed I was at the time I can still feel the wind flowing through the hair I could grow at the time and the security guards hand on my shoulder because I was standing on my chair LMAO

[@donnagray1378]

I find it interesting that there were no believers on this expert panel, and as a person of science that introduces its own type of bias

[@Margo5050]

Key words “expert panel”. Reality is not bias.

[@consciouslobster9310]

too many assumptions for a species who can't answer where consciousness comes from , as in location in the brain . interesting regardless but I do feel like this panel could of had a few more fields of study involved in the conversation .

[@Bradmhj]

I agree. Quantum physics points to a universe fine tuned for energy and matter. It points to a well structured design which in turn points to a designer or an infinite multiverse. A lot of them believe in a type of god but don’t “stoop” to the level of believing in Jesus.

[@godisacorgi9835]

I think the point of this discussion is to evaluate how the belief system works and whether it's reasonable to give credits to religion. You would typically want to hear a scientific perspective on this, and that's what the channel is all about. Now, you don't really see many spiritual/religious psychologists, neuroscientists and anthropologists out there. I can't think of any into the field besides Jordan Peterson who's very well known for his right-wing orientation and beliefs. But those people have also done some very good research on that topic.

[@Blonde111]

I think they were all believers, they just don’t follow organized religions nor do they believe one belief is better than the other...

[@LilGigiGabor]

Harmony is what is making each one of you able to sit up on a stage and chat openly about your own traditions, beliefs or non beliefs and converse without drama or wanting to take ones life or 'take one down' when what one has said is different to your own or grates your prefered way of living. Gill;Dx

[@marykarensolomon7103]

This was an interesting conversation, but I wish a religious somebody (Father Guy? A Tibetan Priest?)had been included to round out viewpoints with their understanding and insight.

[@AjaKim]

Yes. Lack of balance makes this a one sided exercise in ‘rational’ thought.

[@MrsYolandicook]

I agree. It was fascinating and interesting, but I feel as though they should have had more spiritual leaders to represent those ideas.

[@hs5hdrtv]

Read my comment on Buddhism above. 🙏🏾 🙏🏾 🙏🏾 😍 ❤️

[@TBJ1118]

Empirically-based knowledge and expertise OR religiosity...pick one.

[@10buk2]

I agree however the subject here is specific between rational and irrational belief in religion

[@natraajgarima]

Zoran Josipovic ❤ Was the gold in this wonderful discussion. Speaking so clearly and articulate about consciousness and the experience. I have had the experience and I can manage it now again and again in my meditation but could never find words to explain all of this in words so well like he did. And I read many trying to explain consciousness but never before was such an attempt made. Now have to read more of his books and research. Nice discovery for me today. Thanku Sir Brian Greene. You are not just a Physics hero but more.

[@saramiranda5060]

sara miranda il y a 1 seconde Beleive IN GOD, dont beleive in what theses scientists beleive in: lucifer and demons. When they talk about alliens,they mean demons.Being spiritual means practicing black magic, being in contact with demons.

[@squarerootof2]

Sir??? How about His Lordship, Viscount Greene?

[@simonsharp3319]

I wish they had given him more time than the others. Whilst their theories and hypothesies are all very interesting it's clearly not on the level he has worked on - actually treat consciousness seriously as a phenomenon rather than an intellectual abstraction..which is what the others are basically doing.

[@kreyvegas1]

I don't know if this discussion emphasizes enough the fact that science itself needs to make plenty of assumptions in order for its theories to work, especially when it comes to consciousness and the fine-tuning found in the universe.

[@brettneuberger6466]

Indeed. Zoran tried, but was then ignored the rest of the discussion by those the moderator regarding as “really knowing.”

[@zappertxt]

Could you explain more? Which ones, for example?

[@IstillHeartMyPrivacy]

The fine-tuning argument has been debunked at-length elsewhere, so I don’t think anybody felt it was necessary to engage with an obsolete idea. I was disappointed that the others nodded in agreement and let Zoran equate science and religion. Science has a very long track record of providing naturalistic explanations for things that used to be attributed to the supernatural. Religion has yet to demonstrate a single time where a supernatural explanation is the best one for a phenomenon that previously had a naturalistic explanation.

[@kreyvegas1]

@@IstillHeartMyPrivacy How has it been debunked? With the multiverse trick?

[@kreyvegas1]

@@zappertxt Probably the worst of all the assumptions that science makes is the belief that we live in a stupid and purposeless universe whose mysteries will all be, in time, explained by physics. There’s the other one whereby we are told that everything can be known; can everything be known? I doubt it. They also assume that coincidence is no more than that; weird flukes in a world that should be easy to explain by means of statistic measurements. Science assumes that dreams are just the way our brains organize memory, which, by the way, is directly connected to the belief that brains produce consciousness. And one more thing that might not be strictly an assumption, but it is a feature of science, is that subjective experience is dismissed as nonexistent, and therefore, not worth studying, not worth of consideration.

[@Pegasus4213]

26:20 Steven Pinker 'What's in it for the purveyors of the supernatural?': The answer is: 'Truth and reality!' 34:35 to 36:00: Zoran Josipovic: 'Consciousness itself" For me, his statements about our innate awareness indicates the deeper truth of consciousness and reality - as one. NDEers also experience this awareness. This is surely the fundamental reality of consciousness that is the basis of religious belief. This is reality!

[@Liciablyth]

Thank you to the organizers, the Brian Greene and the panelists for sharing your years of knowledge and research.

[@potato-ld1uj]

On Mr greene's behalf, your welcome.

[@christophermyers8157]

Thanks for towing the company line!

[@classica1fungus]

What are you talking about god dude like tftf

[@steveflorida8699]

However, their years of knowledge does Not know the source and origin of Life - living organisms. Their secular materialistic thinking 🤔 is Void of knowing the source and origin of human Consciousness.

[@janetkelly4280]

The biggest concerns for our reawakening species from forced amnesia we must develop mental and spiritual defenses that have been forgotten and even labeled mischievously as wrong knowledge but reality is these unseen entities are as real as the seen and our mankind connection is not yet recognized and needs to be. It literally is a survival tool

[@Skynet_the_AI]

Interesting, i know. Right.?

[@janetkelly4280]

@@Skynet_the_AI I'm just glad it seems everyone is seeing truth instead of this crazy blinded way of being the past thirty years. When I was little the elders would all tell you about your self lol

[@Skynet_the_AI]

@@janetkelly4280 😃 ⚡💛

[@kimberiedema6951]

so you mean spiriality is false and that believing in god is wrong?

[@charleswidmore5458]

walked they always secret and hidden, found, yet not found by the children of man. - Thoth, Emerald Tablets

[@paulszymanski1005]

Amazing 67 minutes of intelectual experience- WOW! We need more of such events in the current world

[@SamtheIrishexan]

Need more debates to be considered intellectual to other things like politics and we will be the most informed electorate in history, maybe not the Annunaki.

[@arbez101]

77 minutes.

[@charlesdunn169]

true I helps to show how ignorant and stupid people truly are

[@matthewhawking4318]

There exists strong evidence for a religious war. Jack dikks. Avoid construction.

[@johnmorpheus120]

The only issue I see, but believe it’s a relevant one, is that the panel is stacked with people who haven’t seen yet and have in some instance generational training to not believe and search for truth. They seek to confirm their own faulty logic and hypotheses. I too was one of them for much of my life but after some shared experiences of witnessing some occult phenomenon, without drugs, mental problems or psychosis I need to add, it changed my whole belief structure and it took quite a lot of time alone then discussion with many others to come to terms with the truth. But I’m not here to shove anyone off their safe cliff. Only giving some advice I wish I’d had back when I was so rigid. Be gentle with others no matter how wise you think you are. When it’s time for your own eyes to opened you will seek understanding and need support as well. Love one another. Forgive each other quickly, including yourself. Then look for ways to serve others more. Life and consciousness is going through a major shift and other things are about to be revealed in due time.

[@722legolas]

The problem that I find in this type of conversation is the question "do you believe in God"? The real question being ask is :Do you believe in the same concept of God that I do? How does a person not believe in something without accepting there is something to not believe.

[@Wajiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii]

Exactly!

[@GVSHvids]

Nicely said

[@Samson16436]

That's why I always recommend Terence Mckenna.

[@jensjohansen1]

As I understand you, you are saying that my lack of belief in a God necessitates that there is one. But why can all conecpts of God not be only examples of what our imagination can create and do to us? Otherwise you would have to accept the reality of some sort of reality for whatever idea I might dream up. In other words: 'if it can be fantasised of, it must be real'. To me that sounds obviously wrong.

[@endthisnonsense7202]

There is no god, there is no concept of god people can choose to believe in, there is a fictional idea that is called god that some people belief.

[@GrimSleepy]

If one delves deep enough, they may come to the conclusion that while there may be 33,000 denominations, they tend to have common roots. My conclusion is that there is no right or wrong way to be awe inspired by the magnificence of this universe, and that fascination is akin to 'worshipping' The All.

[@depressedasfook2893]

There is no right way but there are definitely wrong ones. Any belief that requires you to punish others is inherently wrong

[@charlessomerset9754]

As an agnostic, I don't find conflict in the thought that science can explain an overarching supernatural being, whether that being was a byproduct of the creation of the universe, or whether that being actually created the universe. Indeed, I find some comfort in the thought. But where I grow uneasy is how each denomination seems to think that it understands and speaks for that being. And in so doing exercises vast amounts of power over man. There may Indeed be a God. But I seriously doubt that we as humans can understand it. If anything, science gives us a better chance to understand it than religion does. And lastly, the whole concept of a God that requires worship strikes me as a vain glorious attachment we have ascribed to God. No being who is powerful enough and intelligent enough to create a universe would require or even want our pitiful "worship". If anything, it would take pleasure in simply watching us evolve, regardless of how we do so.

[@renewable20002000]

Brian, you always select the best brains for your programs. This was not different. Thank you for that. I am a physicist, a non-orthodox catholic priest and above all a fan of all sciences. I am a strong believer in "something beyond ". The moment you describe it, it becomes nonexistent. The moment you experience it, it becomes more and more existent. But, I do not understand how any one can say that something does not exists without knowing everything that exists. Science has not fully known even a grain of sand.

[@saramiranda5060]

Beleive IN GOD, dont beleive in what theses scientists beleive in: lucifer and demons. When they talk about alliens,they mean demons.Being spiritual means practicing black magic, being in contact with demons.

[@SYSM71]

Best comment! Idealism is coming up!

[@8slkmic]

@@saramiranda5060 no it doesn't. Where are you getting your facts from" Just because someone wants to think their is "something out there", OTHERTHAN your human religions, DOESEN'T mean that its black magic or demon BS. How ignorant of you to make such a judgment in 2022. Put your book down and learn about what others in the world besides yourself believe in and how they live there lives. Be thankful that you live in a time where you able to easily learn about people all over the world and not in a time when you didn't know what land, water, or country existed other then the one your on. If you believe that demons and what not exist cool, then please provide your evidence for the court, if not, then just sit in the back and put your hand down because your not adding anything to the forward progress of information. (Just SMH) Everything that you rely on from the moment you wake up, to be able to sit and watch this video to be able to make a comment like that, IS ALL BECAUSE OF SCIENCE. Not the bible or anything of sorts.

[@8slkmic]

But science has led the way in providing a way to explain what we learn to know, is. If someone is claiming to know that something exist, God, then in order for you to convince the next person, evidence that can be witnessed everytime you talk about it, must be shown to exist. That evidence should be able to be tested that proves "it" exist to some degree. If anyone is making an honest claim that a god created, organized, altered the universe, then something needs to be displayed. How is it that we can do this for EVERYTHING else, crimes, courts, DNA, pregnancies', marital issues, car accidents, health related issues, COVID, vaccines, how is it that those things require evidence, but a god or being or something doesn't? It is understandable that people a long time ago, without the knowledge we have today of life, that it is easy to come up with ways that that universe came to exist, but at some point as we advance as a species, when need to throw out some of those beliefs. Just like the flat earth was done away with, even tho some people still "believe" that the earth is flat. Since those people believe that, to this day, how should we handle that if enormous amounts of evidence has been supplied but they refuse to "believe" it? Does that mean that since they believe, therefore, they are correct? No, they would have to provide some evidence that DISPROVES a globe earth and then PROVES a flat earth. But at the end of the day, its honestly not that serious. If want to bleieve that there is more to life, and belief allows you to live a good harmless life, then who am I or anyone to say that your wrong. If you need your belief to do good, help others, and add to society, then keep on. I'm a non believer.

[@SYSM71]

@@8slkmic Before talking about god, we need to challenge the materialistic dogma. The data/hard facts within many fields of sciences are pointing against this dogma.

[@aidaririvera8783]

Thank you Prof. Green or whoever is choosing these meaningful and insightful conferences worthy of watching! Particularly this one on Jung is brief but with a lot of information. Thank you!

[@trafficjon400]

I know all that information was great. especially the way she was speaking scared me a bit, i loved the way the entire conference went in a experienced creationof it. it seemed they were comfortable also. i was thinking about 1 word the one on the left used but not sure what it was relating two. some one identified the entire meaning of this talk show but found it also really nice like as if they were my parents wating for me to order them around!! lol but not sure about it. oh well what a little story it was pretty nice happy go lucky like..i saw one last week like this one and it was nice. my next door friend is nice too. we all have so much time like this .

[@matthewhawking4318]

Okay, are humans wired?

[@eppurse]

A reporter was interviewing a famous mythologist, asking whether myths are "true". The reporter struggled to understand the answer. The mythologist's young daughter, hovering around her mythologist Dad, as children do. The reporter acknowledged her by asking her if she thought myths are true. The girl thought for a moment, and said, "myths are false on the outside, and true on the inside."

[@kathrynbrinton3606]

Thank you for sharing this. Such a succinctly powerful way of explaining myth. One could use the same definition for great literature!

[@classica1fungus]

Myths are myths

[@eppurse]

@@classica1fungus Then why do we create them? What are the sources?

[@classica1fungus]

@@eppurse drugs

[@candido7491]

Great point ! Get 'em while they're young . And don't let 'em use a secular dictionary .

[@Rob337_aka_CancelProof]

Fear causes stress and the remedy to fear is knowledge and understanding and I think that ties into the missing piece of information it helps to reduce stress when you find it

[@jmfloresa1]

Funny how the brain of an individual is talking about the brain itself...like the brain is thinking how it works lololol

[@supersila2101]

Brainseption

[@andalusiaverroes365]

Consciousness

[@2Worlds_and_InBetween]

the cartisan (spelling? ) theatre

[@owlredshift]

JM FA olllllllllllllllllllllololloololloololololollllllllllllllololololololololololololololololol lafing out loud ----> (lol) ololloolol

[@Shahad-ym3gl]

Bro.. You making me high

[@dswantchs61]

Back in the mid 60ties I had a very thoughtful professor named Leslie White who suggested humans form supernatural beliefs to explain the unknown. In other words, there is nothing more threatening than our demise so we make up stories about God and the kingdom to come, that explains where we go when we die and that is very comforting. When people die these supernatural explanations help us cope. I am surprised that the panel did not cover this rather simple fact. Off course we still have no direct evidence of the existence of god or the lack thereof. To flatly deny that god exists seems like an attempt to make atheists comfortable in the ego position that "they" know". "knowing offers comfort. It makes you an authority. White said a healthy human should be able to live with "I don't know". In the past religion contained lots of teachings that reinforced behavior that had survival value. Rituals and customs reinforced best practices in agriculture, defense, sanitation and enhanced social structure etc.. As knowledge of the natural world accumulated many religious practices were dropped and were replaced by scientific explanations and practices that work better than the ancient ways. Rain dances have been replaced by the weatherman.

[@samreh6156]

Agree. Also, religions are useful to control people and unite them for political purposes.

[@ahall9839]

I can deny the existence of God just as I can deny the existence of an invisible pink elephant in orbit around Pluto. There is equal evidence of both existing, but it would be ridiculous and misleading to label myself "elephant agnostic", and is just pandering to elephant believers. I'll happily call myself an elephant atheist. This whole atheist/agnostic crap, while philosophically accurate, is just a way to make beliefs in invisible magic men seem more reasonable, like they're on equal footing with the opposing view. But they're not. Not even close.

[@jeffsimoneaux5968]

I think the reverse will become more and more evident that we will slowly become more and more spiritual as we realize because of science that something did start it all and that we don't even live in the reality that we believe we live in to begin with.

[@tempestive1]

That's a slippery slope leading to solipsism. I'm curious though. How do you define spiritual, in your sentence? Everyone I meet that uses it, uses it to mean different things depending on beliefs.

[@eddie1975utube]

@@tempestive1 TIL sol·ip·sism /ˈsäləpˌsizəm/ Learn to pronounce noun the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

[@christophermyers8157]

Your right! That's what the power of the iPhone, computing, and the internet will do to most of society as systems like Neurolink and the Matrix will take over. People will think they are correct, and doing what is right, because they feel good! Getting hit after hit of dopamine directly to their neuroprocessors without even knowing how it is coming in from the outside, and in most cases, not even knowing they are drug addicts to electronic media.

[@christophermyers8157]

@@tempestive1 Spiritual means immortal intelligence and self identity! However that is only half of the truth. You can be spiritually ignorant, sprititual, evil, and immortal. Only Jesus shows you who your immortal self is. We are creations of a higher power that is omnipotent, omnipresent, exactly like us, but He is on a higher plane since he is the creator, and we are the creations. All knees and truth will bow to the one creator who is Jesus or they will cease to exist. Do you trust your own knowledge to run the entire Universe? Jesus did, and he laid down his life for his enemy, and resurrected himself to scientifically prove he conquered death. Not only was his resurrection proof, but Jesus brought Lazarus, and by some accounts many others back from rotten morbid death in grave clothes, not a simple heart stoppage for an hour, but a complete decompostion of the body. This was factually observed by dozens of observers, many in opposition to Jesus' teachings, and written in to history as a story that most believe is just that a story about conquering death. However, anyone with a revelation from the creator, knows this to be a factual story, rather than made up, as the chain of evidence proves beyond a doubt, when you go outside of the church, state, and university teachings and do your own independent research into the bible, the church, and governments in general. They all cooperate to oppose God and knowledge flowing freely from heaven, by claiming human intellectual superiority is now at it's highest point, when it is easy to prove the opposite just by looking at all of the pyramids in every country of the world!

[@ahall9839]

Man, there's a lot of dumbasses who have spent less than 5 minutes in their entire lives thinking critically looking to justify their idiot beliefs in this science video.

[@AHHH-g1p]

Elephant of Kenya grieve the loss of loved one's, Elephant is brilliant and social, especially Elephant grandmother

[@mgenthbjpafa6413]

This program was recorded live at the 2018 World Science Festival and has been edited and CONDENSED for KZbin.

[@anialiandr]

they should never edit it.

[@israelquito3072]

THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION!!

[@AnkitRaj-pg1sp]

How long was it got real

[@aspektx]

That's too bad.

[@dawnbaldwin5919]

Zen buddist was awakened to the earths aliveness from within this is why the walk very mindfully on the earth in order not to harm.💚

[@rudyvanderhoeven9628]

Brilliant conversation, was especially impressed by Zoran Josipovic the best explanation about consciousness I have ever heard. Thank you Brian Greene bringing this group together

[@jwvandegronden]

Can you share a timestamp or a quote? Thanks!!

[@rudyvanderhoeven9628]

@@jwvandegronden you ask me to go through the video again just to find a nice quote?

[@jwvandegronden]

@@rudyvanderhoeven9628 uhm, yes?! It simply is YT courtesy to refer to the actual moment in the video so we can share in your enjoyment. Moreover, it is required for us to understand which part made you so happy; otherwise it renders your comment utterly meaningless

[@rudyvanderhoeven9628]

@@jwvandegronden You might be right, my comment was an expression of enjoyment that I wanted to share. There always be azijnzijkers

[@jwvandegronden]

@@rudyvanderhoeven9628 Hey mate, why call names? I'm neither an "azijnzijker" nor am I dissing your wish to express yourself. I'm not asking you a gotcha question but a sincere reference point of the thing that impressed you. And if you just want to express your delight for the sake of it, by all means, have at it. If you want to share your experience with your fellow youtubers, share either a quote (doesn't have to be verbatim, just your take on it) or a timestamp for us to go to and share in your delight! This series is about enlightenment, not closing curtains. But most of all, do whatever you feel is right.

[@reimannx33]

That very last question just to pinker, who acknowledged its profundity - was brilliant. Good job, brian greene.

[@tedlemoine5587]

I'd rather not know the answers to the big questions than believe a lie

[@joshbane7671]

Scott Davis peak boomer chat, can’t wait until this low IQ atheist generation’s ideas die out.

[@Dr10Jeeps]

As so eloquently said initially by Richard Feynman. And I too agree.

[@hooliogoolio4446]

@@joshbane7671 aw

[@hooliogoolio4446]

@@paulbabione4060 Baby boy

[@ayush-sn9kz]

Richard feynman rocks

[@gangsterkami1]

Zoran josipovic understands it all very deeply. Fantastic work friend, you've done well.

[@Joe-kn3wt]

Yes, I too felt the same.

[@fineasfrog]

@@Joe-kn3wt Yes, certainly he showed much more direct experience of the fundamental nature of consciousness. The others on the panel including the moderator were exclusively confined to being limited to only one "side" of awareness or consciousness that Zoran illustrated with the gesture of putting the tips of the fingers of his two together to 'model' the two sides or aspects of the whole. The others were limited to that mode of awareness or consciousness that can't ordinarily recognize itself. And so they could not really recognize the significance of what he was presenting. This "one side" is a field of experience that is confined to the side of knowing as a subject who is having experience (basically experience of the 'contents of consciousness' without direct experience of consciousness itself, isuch a one has only a vague notion of "there must be some subject here that is experiencing these objects of experience') and uses that content coming from a not directly known subject to try to explain consciousness itself. The abstracted objects (contents) of consciousness as long as they are indirectly seen through subject-object consciousness can not get to the fundamental nature of the whole and the varies relative levels of wholeness that appear within the greater or more encompassing whole. The others being so limited in their view (dare I say 'veiled or blinded') failed to even considered the question: What are these 'two sides' that Zoran is presenting and how is it that they can be seen to be two aspects of one whole of consciousness. And how does the path of this realization of wholeness of the two sides serve as a more proper context to explore what consciousness is and how the many notions and ideas that arise in consciousness may be understood.

[@Joe-kn3wt]

@@fineasfrog Yes, you made it so clear there. Him being among them created a space for the presence of the absence of the 'other side' and the fact that he didn't say much shows, in away, it wasn't the kind of atmosphere that would absorb that kind of consciousness. In short, we are losing the 'object' in the 'act' of measurement. The body itself is the embodiment of motion and the observer is part and parcel of what is being observed. When that boundary dissolves however, Consciousness rises to the fore so naturally that even 'words' lose their meaning and become helpless in their attempt to 'represent' or describe our so called 'reality'. I hope it makes sense.

[@pillettadoinswartsh4974]

If you seek what's real, you have no time, nor need, for belief. Finding what's real in your own experience, is all that's necessary. This can be done anywhere, anytime, in any way you like. This is freedom.............. All thought is old. Belief is coagulated thought. And so, belief is a sorry substitute for knowledge. Look. Just look. But look deeply. As deeply as a scientist. Inside.

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

Belief is always a component of knowledge. It doesn't make sense to know something without believing that it is true. Otherwise, you're only ever guessing and maybe getting something right by accident.

[@alan5496]

"If you seek what's real, you have no time, nor need, for belief." If I'm correct, you're implying that belief isn't real, but then you suggest for people to look "deeply ... inside", which is equally as unreal as belief. If you were to look inside for real, you'd get an x-ray or some sort of scan, there's not much to see beyond that. If you think there's something beyond what an x-ray or a biopsy/autospy shows, then you're using belief while denying belief. Words are equally unreal, they're tools used to convey meaning. If I told you how to build a UFO that doesn't use fossil fuels in a language only I understand, how real can words be in your experience? Just as real as belief right? Can your experience alone determine what's real? Experience involves a few things: observation, perception, and action. Without belief, you're just observing things without making a value judgment. Is it more useful to eat a steak with a fork or spoon? Should a scalpel be viewed as a tool for saving lives or taking lives? Belief and values are equally unreal and yet in your everyday life, you use your values to decide your likes, dislikes, superior and inferior objects or ideas. And what do you mean by freedom? Are you saying: Less belief, more freedom? If you read a book without the belief you will learn anything, is there any point in reading? If you go on a date without the belief that you have a future together, is there any chance you can have a future with them? In order to make something creative, you first have to believe it can be done before you can do it. Architects imagine structures before drawing up designs. What would they do without believing that the imagined structure can be actualised? Just stare at the paper?

[@goudie4christ1]

"freedom" to spend eternity in Hell with the devil. No thank you. Why do you think anyone would believe you when you suggest you have no time for "belief". What a bunch of baloney. Everytime you fall asleep at night you "believe" you're going to wake up the next morning, every time you drive your car you "believe" you will return home safetly. Maybe you should take your own advice and discover what is actually real for once-- ask God to reveal Himself to you---if you're man enough.

[@md.noorulkarim5542]

Remember they all are atheists, they are discussing from their atheist perspective. How they come to conclusion from their non-believing hypothesis? They should include in the panel some theologists.

[@md.noorulkarim5542]

Atheist’s perspective .

[@richardventus1875]

I've just seen this - I don't know why I missed it as soon as it was released. I believe it is because the universe didn't want me to say anything until now. I am a keen scientist but also a practicing Problacist. The universe not only tells me what to do but also when and how to do it. Search for Problacism and see what you think. It's not easy being a Problacist as we are not allowed to seek recognition or reward for anything we do, but I don't suffer from any anxiety, depression or worry and I am continually in awe of the beauty all around me. I suspect I'm one of the happiest and most fulfilled people on this planet. Trust in the universe and be relentless.

[@4nrrn494]

We exist in fields of electromagnetism, some of us have very keen perception and may be able to absorb another's energy or at least acknowledge some of it within the fields of energy transferance

[@zerocool1ist]

I was once looking at a lobster in a tank floating starring at me and i asked it, i wonder what it is you might think about are different worlds? The lobster took a moment and looked at me kinda sideways and said "Human beings are the only creatures on Earth "that claim a God."And the only living thing that behaves like it hasn't got one."Does the world belong to no one but you?" And when he said it, I was taken back. Not because of who was doing the talking, but because I finally understood the connection between children scavenging for food and shiny brass plates on the front doors of banks

[@skyjack8541]

Did you eat the lobster?

[@theautodan7095]

And what was that connection..?

[@Gibbypastrami]

@@theautodan7095 I think the metaphor is that banks, places that hold money, a construct humans have made, are a made-up resource that is now just as important to survival as the food that we used to scavenge for

[@2msvalkyrie529]

Children scavenging for food is usually the result of corrupt / incompetent 3 rd World politicians . The idea that western " banks " are responsible for starving children is pathetic , virtue signalling . Designed to make the signaller feel superior.

[@virajelix]

If one genuinely realized one's own higher self, there is no question of believing anymore. Believing is not equal to realization. To believe is not absolute. Self-realization is the deepest knowledge one could ever have in this very life. One must remember - there are two wings of the brain; i.e. the left (more on physical knowledge) and the right (more on deepest knowledge of self).

[@Kenlac92]

If one simply embraced ones own farts, there would cease to be need for febreze.

[@Pclub4ever]

@@Kenlac92 Amen.

[@garychartrand7378]

Isn't this called 'subjective experience' ?

[@shamrock5725]

Have you heard of the split brain surgery where people who suffer from seizures have had each side of the brain surgically cut from each other and test have been done to show that there are almost two separate identities.

[@garychartrand7378]

@@shamrock5725 the jury is still out on that

[@dondavinci2183]

Spiritually knows the answers before science does. Its something we feel but can't truly define because it beyond our earthly senses. Consciousness is devine and Consciousness is connected to the true source. Out pull from inside is to get back to the big bang, to reunited.

[@peterdeutsch6378]

I find it frustrating that descriptions of animism always seem to me to be a broad stroke which trivializes the belief. Also, while we can agree that the mind is the locus of experience, that doesn't automatically equate to it being the locus of being. If I die drunk, i would not expect to be a drunk ghost.

[@andriesscheper2022]

You might! Wouldn't be a problem in Walhalla as long as you die in battle.

[@PRINCESSDREAMYLYN]

​@@haraldyes9957 i had a stroke and died. you are still you even after you leave the body. the body is a physical vessel that allows us to experience things here. you can think and communicate with out a body. i like hearing what people without the experience talk about things they know nothing about because they always tell you what to believe and what not to believe yet they have no clue themselves it sounds good and makes them money. i like the thought of a drunk ghost.. might be fun. lol

[@PRINCESSDREAMYLYN]

no you wouldn't be a drunk ghost the feeling one has on a substance of any kind doesn't transfer over. I died and had been given medication in the er for a stroke. it didn't effect me on the other side. matter fact my pain was instantly gone i had no physical sense of feelings at all. being drunk is a physical feeling. i watched the heart monitor flat line and thought it was someone else. after a few minutes of watching it and thinkin about the poor person that just died didn't dawn on me that it was me. then i realized i felt this amazing peace and i was no longer sick my head ache was gone no pain at all. then i realized i couldn't stay on the other side my children were young and needed me. i do not recall seeing any one but i was communicating i couldn't stay there and whom ever they were they tried to get me to stay and it was wonderful place so peaceful cozy warm no words do it justice it is an experience that i can not forget. so no worries no drunk ghosts that i know of :)

[@garychartrand7378]

@@PRINCESSDREAMYLYN besides,drunks make life hell here. We don't need no hell in the afterlife.

[@juliewilderman8782]

But that could be fun…,

[@janetkelly4280]

I was 8 yes old and I was beaten so horribly I was literally lost in my feelings and an inner almost voice type experience expressed within my understanding process to pity don't hate. This was my mother hurt me. I was lost, and I started hating my mother. I hear pity don't hate. Simple right. But hugely powerful and I chose to hear that instinctive intuitive voice within my own self that I recognize as my own higher self connected to the universal All. Ask and the shall receive and I asked the All, or God for those who still use the singular aspect, bit it still connects all things. Choice is just that. Wrong action is understood internally. So laws and rules made my any man is not accurate. Every now for every person has its own right of being and each is different and together it all makes harmony when right is happening

[@christophermyers8157]

God hates evil deeds! Hate is not wrong! Pity means you believe you are a superior intelligence to those you pity! The voice you heard was the devil, Satan, Lucifer, or one of his demons. It wasn't God. Jesus hates money changers, and people who infiltrate the church to teach evil. He hates those who leaven his teachings, which are the ten commandments, and the beattitudes. If you were abused, you should hate your abuser, however if your abuser asks for forgiveness and claims they were a stupid piece of shit for doing that to you, then you are obligated to find it in your heart to forgive them for their ignorance. Or else you are claiming that it is alright to abuse people out of ignorance by pitying someone that is ignorant. Father forgive them for they know not what they do! That is not pity, that is straight up hate and forgiveness.

[@Aluminata]

Spirituality began with the human mind first hearing the echoes of it's own thoughts.

[@scooteranthony6297]

You were there huh? Adam didn’t here his own thoughts. God spoke directly to him.

[@kind2rethink]

@@scooteranthony6297 No one spoke to anyone

[@scooteranthony6297]

@@kind2rethink And you have “proof” of this of course.

[@scooteranthony6297]

And how do thoughts echo in our mind? And what do you define as Spirituality?

[@AnthonyJamesSosa]

"We All Have the Common Ground We All Have Called "Relation(s)"

[@sallyrucker8990]

There is a difference between belief and knowledge. Without a direct experience there is only Faith.

[@depressedasfook2893]

Incorrectly attributed experience is much more dangerous than faith or knowledge as it will be used to create personal I arguable validity in the person's mind

[@somniumisdreaming]

Many early religions experiences were attached to ritual and mind altering substances or places. That type of experience can greatly enhance social spirituality.

[@curtcoller3632]

I hear you! Are you trying to make "substance" abuse or "drugs" socially acceptable? It sounds like.

[@dru4670]

@@curtcoller3632 drugs are bad right 😂.

[@rustyray420]

@@curtcoller3632 drugs are already socially acceptable. Do you drink alcohol?

[@steviemichelle7271]

I was an atheist for my entire adult life. Even when I was one, I’ve always had experiences with less than friendly non-physical entities. I was literally an atheist living in a haunted house, and the lack of a scientific explanation for the things I saw/heard is what creeped me out the most. I agree with Darwin on this one. It must be nice to have never lived in a haunted house. I’ve seen things that have absolutely no explanation. Not kidding, it’s weirder than they make it look on TV… and it sucks. I don’t have issues with them anymore, but when I did, there was nothing in the WORLD I wanted more than to debunk them and be able to live in peace. They do some very creepy things that absolutely defy the laws of physics.

[@quercus4730]

What you experienced must have been devastating. Do you have any physical proof or were these just between you and the mystical world?

[@SS-ob5nf]

I was like you, an atheist. I thought my understanding of physics led me there. But then as I grew older and wiser, I met Jesus. Everything changed for me. Science made much more sense.... my studies of string theory and 11-dimensions made much more sense. No one can lead you there. You must find it for yourself. A near death experience will do that for you.

[@quercus4730]

@@SS-ob5nf Near death experiences doesn't do that for everyone. I was a believer for a long time but as I got older and wiser I relized Jesus was just a character in a book and everything changed for me. See how that works? Your studies of string theory and 11 demiensions made more sense after meeting Jesus, that's confusing.

[@leelawatimohapatra5575]

One of the strangest discussions I've come across. The interviewer hardly asked a question to the gentleman sitting second from the right, while the two women were allowed to speak at length. Not that I have anything against what they were saying, but it led to a very lopsided presentation of facts.

[@kind2rethink]

@@SS-ob5nf Do u think if you choose an other religion it would have the same effect on your studies? Because what people actually believe is always dependent of where they come from

[@jgirizarry]

These guys all look like rock stars sitting there with all their wisdom. Like they are going to live forever. This is for you: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness. 1 Corintios 3:19

[@jackdziatkowiec]

Lisa Barrett getting owned on her opinion of religion as an adaptation to pacify stress, and she knows it! Love this panel, love Brian Greene. Fascinating!

[@andrewhodge4814]

I viewed it as a spectrum; Lisa Barrett and Pinker argue for the two sides of whether or not religion is required for progress. Harris and Peterson fall over each other on this same topic quite famously, I believe. Insert Barbara King who seems to fall on the altruistic middle, but leaning Pinker. Barrett offered an olive branch as this was supposed to be a discussion, not a debate. It was an olive branch for Pinker to move towards the center as well. He didn't. So, he's not a very good person to try to have a discussion with. Just a good 'debater' in a non-debate. But I'll agree, great discussion overall.

[@Confuseddave]

He made an fair point, but it was neither intended nor succeeded in "owning" or refuting Barret't's position. Particularly, I think he was a much too fixated on the idea that modern religion as a whole needs to be accounted for in evolutionary terms. It's possible to split evolutionary tendencies towards religion into component parts that are individually adaptive - including as an adaptation to modulate stress for specific situations where stress in unhelpful - without having that be refuted by the ways that religiosity becomes maladaptive. Tribalism and social heirarchy can be adaptive. The evolved cognitive tendency to give uncontrollable events purpose and meaning can be adaptive. The fact that there are historically contingent circumstances where those traits can interact in extremely maladaptive ways doesn't refute that at all. Frankly I think the point he was trying to make is that hyperadaptationalism and "just-so" stories are both tempting and dangerous in the evolution of cognition and psychology, which is a point he's fallen foul of himself on more than one occasion.

[@chewyjello1]

Something can be maladaptive to an individual while being adaptive to society or culture.

[@MAGaBAMA_84]

I actually remember as a baby being unable to do anything at all, I remember struggling to roll over, but the most important memory I kept fully intact was one of those shaking rattling toys, but on this toy was the image of space 🌌 stars, and a rainbow 🌈 in a black starry night sky. I connected with this toy, and remember telling myself that this is home with that warm feeling, and a wish to be back there.. (in the Cosmos) I don't think I could even roll over yet? I know without a shadow of a doubt that our souls are linked to the Cosmos. Why have I kept this memory for 36 years? I remember not being as strong as I was supposed to be, because I was a baby, but from my baby prospective it was as if I knew I was much stronger, as if I were remembering a past life. I remember my first memory in a vehicle. In this memory I was in the back of my grandmother's Coachmen Van facing out of the rear window, and I was in a car seat. I remember telling myself " here we go again" as if I were remembering being in a car in a past life. One more memory was me in a horse wagon riding on a trail, but I remember seeing the woman I thought was my mother with a large hat, or Bonnet. The memory I have was the Bonnet or top hat looked similar to the Chiquita banana lady's hat with the fruit, but replace the fruit with flowers. These memories are real 💯% I have tons of memories like these, and I've seen and spoken to entities but I don't remember if they were extraterrestrial or spiritual? But they were most certainly there. There is waaaaay more going on than what science can explain. Why do I have these memories? Gotta mean something!!

[@ozzDeveveloperOpenForWork]

When they showed the job of each if these people's backgrounds I knew they were not religious. It's hard to find biologists as religious. I'm religious and when I told my students I believed in God they were shocked. I believe that science proves God.

[@billsadler3]

The mechanics of divinity are ever evolving. So is our appreciation.

[@paulbennett7021]

I can't understand how any scientist can give blind credence to the supernatural

[@gabrielthomas5013]

I am not religious but science absolutely supports my spirituality. We are energy beings.

[@mushroommcfarmer1766]

I have come to this conclusion myself, and I tell my family and friends that He is allowing us to slowly understand and learn about our universal playground.

[@sid_husseni]

science and religion cannot exist without one another

[@Jan96106]

I've only listed to a bit, but what is ironic, thus far, is that they don't seem to realize how dependent science is on belief: everything they say is riddled with their own assumptions and beliefs, some of which is not even up to date with the latest scientific belief or trends.

[@troymykink6322]

100%

[@liligloo]

Every time I try to diverge my guide sends me back into the light talks to me via my thoughts 💭. Super beautiful and helpful. Today is the day I found my purpose. 2021 June 21

[@trafficjon400]

Sounds sneaky. can't trust it

[@GrimmyPigeon]

schizo

[@tanned06]

I see in this way: we, humans, are the product or being part of this nature, and for a long time we have been studying this nature and the roles, if any, we play at least in this small part of nature we call earth. You see, isn't it the nature is using us - our developed mind and still developing knowledge - to understand the nature itself? This observation gives me the whole dimension of what spirituality is all about - how the sacredness and mystery of nature and our roles in it are being explored and recognized.

[@poppie531]

Your comment reminds me of the idea that we are all sentient beings of the universe's consciousness observing itself.

[@georginaporter2448]

Yes!

[@charleswoods2996]

If I'd been on this discussion panel, "I was brought up in a Psychoism household where my parents should've abused more alcohol and drugs...".

[@sitav369]

Listening to Brian Greene and the panelists here was an absolute profound experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge

[@saramiranda5060]

sara miranda il y a 1 seconde Beleive IN GOD, dont beleive in what theses scientists beleive in: lucifer and demons. When they talk about alliens,they mean demons.Being spiritual means practicing black magic, being in contact with demons.

[@jGB901]

Spiritual ( soul) vs human knowledge ( mind) - can’t be compared. One will always remain limited by the analytical boundaries

[@jamescarmody4713]

Personally, I think aliens would be more baffled by our bad pseudo-science (e.g eugenics, racism, etc) than our religions.

[@thomasperez8051]

Well, Said!!!

[@shamrock5725]

If baffled at all they would likely be baffled about both.

[@diegomolinaf]

I'm pretty sure they will know more about that than we do. It's evolution, baby!

[@thomasperez8051]

@@diegomolinaf that is funny

[@Bad666Moon]

More people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else except maybe communism.

[@jlh3607]

I am of the opinion that in order to truly understand spirit, transcendence, god, etc., you have to experience it for yourself.

[@LaRa-nv5oo]

I would have liked to also hear from a scientist/expert who is a believer in religion and God share why so many humans are inclined to believe. I appreciated the open discussion but feel it could have been more enlightening and or balanced to include other perspectives.

[@samreh6156]

Religion is for the masses. To go against the herd instinct takes a lot of guts.

[@DubaiGuy08]

I really appreciated this thoughtful, honest discussion. I wish, though, that the panel had included a priest, rabbi or imam.

[@drdaverob]

That's like saying they should have included soldiers and generals in a scientific presentation on human aggression.

[@MKTElM]

Anxiety and fear reside deep in our psyches , hence the need for reassuring beliefs , esp those shared by those around us. We find comfort in shared beliefs . Challenges to our beliefs , either from within our psyches or from without , bring out the tucked away anxieties and fears.

[@ronjonson9136]

Timothy Leary taught us how to use mind altering chemicals to connect ourselves to a consciousness of the unfathomable unknown phyisics and possibly spiritual attributes of our universe/multiverses.

[@Chuck44442]

imagine myself sitting on the concrete middle of a Round A bout. Cars (thoughts) come and go. Some circle around a few times before spinning off. Some come back at night. Most times Me / I, become aware that me/ I am NOT all these thoughts.

[@theautodan7095]

Underrated comment* Rough outline of a metaphor with very deep implications... Would like to hear more.

[@Chuck44442]

@@theautodan7095 another favorite. For a thought that just will not go away. Imagine its tied to an arrow. I shoot the arrow as far away as i can. I watch it land, way over there. Now. The trick is. Can I leave the arrow out in the field, and the problem with it ?? Or, do i go retrieve it. ? Ugh. (I would like to be inside a normal persons brain for a while. Im ME am always putting more and more on my plate. Does anyone have any luck with simplifying?

[@Patrick77487]

"When the Self speaks to the Self who is speaking"? Virginia Wolf

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

. Well, the self ofcourse. Sometimes one can hear: "there's no such thing as a stupid question" saying that is just being polite, trying to stimulate shy people to inquire. 🙄

[@garychartrand7378]

'I' (the soul) is speaking to 'me' (the Ego). Interesting conversation between the sane and the insane!

[@RobertSmith-gz9bl]

Who's speaking? The one speaking is YOU!!!!! THIS IS WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IN GOD OR NOT. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. KB OUT ❤️

[@garychartrand7378]

@@RobertSmith-gz9bl I f you do not believe in a God, I suspect that you think you are strictly just a 'human' (Ego/Fear). I believe in God (I have no choice but to believe) and as a result I consider myself a 'human BEING' (Soul/Love). Love(Soul) will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do the right thing. Fear(Ego) however, confuses the mind and is the source of ALL ALL ALL heartache and misery on the planet. It's all quite simple. Free Will choice. Human OR human BEING. Fear OR Love.

[@RobertSmith-gz9bl]

@@garychartrand7378 I DO BELIEVE IN GOD. THE SPIRIT OF THE FATHER LIVES INSIDE YOU. THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU.

[@xingu4872]

I think the main reason why our brain need some sort of belief, is that it needs some form of pattern to guide us through various issues through life

[@eddie1975utube]

It’s simple. We evolved to want to live. A species that doesn’t have a strong desire to fight to survive will quickly go extinct. So we have this very intrinsic and raw urge to stay alive, to take another breathe and to even eat each other if need be. Yet we see people dying all around us. We know our turn will come and as such we cling to promises of an afterlife. We also have a need to make predictions and understand causality since that helps predict events. Só religions provide (false) explanations of how we got here and a (false) hope that we won’t end here. And religious beliefs are often taught to children from birth and therefore becomes engrained to the point where reason cannot easily overcome the absurdity and fallacies that accompany them.

[@samreh6156]

@@eddie1975utube The job of religion is to get us through life, mainly.

[@locha8974]

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[@samreh6156]

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[@AdonneTaqueous]

Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense

[@ketchup143]

when i was a preteen attending catholic mass, being a big believer in extraterrestrials, i used to think about jesus having had to travel to each planet in the universe with sentient beings to deliver his message, and thinking about how he must have had to continually shape shift to appear as each planet's organisms and how it must have literally taken millions of years to make the rounds.

[@kind2rethink]

and he still forgot people here on earth xD and also is copy paste of greek mythology and zoroastrian religion.. kekw

[@UnboxwithSahar]

Thoroughly enjoyable - thanks to all the panel members 🙏

[@trafficjon400]

Ya but pray they don't ya know but i want to be nice. excuse us god if ya don't mind.

[@Terrestrialbeing24]

I have to say, that spirituality and religiosity is good for group cohesion and can be selected that way. Believing in common things do helps early groups organize and abide by common rule, sharing labors and leadership. The earliest groups of humans showed that those who held the people together were always priests, and this stems back to earlier human thinking. This is seen in Gorilla groups that have hierarchies, believing in the power of the Alpha and the group support of that power. These primal behaviors evolve in the comprehension of nature into believing in higher powers and greater goods.

[@LonganLee]

It's also why some fall into cults. So it's not not all good like you paint it to be

[@spiritualnoob8237]

This is what Nelson Mandela did with South Africa, spreading Christianity among warring tribes and people only driven by primal instincts. Although Nelson Mandela probably was yellow on the spiral dynamics model, he didn't try to pull the other red and purple of Africa up to his level, but gave them blue (religion) so they could advance steadily up the stages

[@doobzb5482]

@@spiritualnoob8237 only driven by primal instincts? You've fallen into the trap of Eurocentric scientific racism there my friend

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

Religion is a dangerous division of unification. It promotes unity from within by lying to its victims, but it eliminates the possibility for diplomacy by arguing theocratic nonsense in place of reasonable discussion, and promotes the belief in the supremecy of each side. Each party believes they have the creator of the universe on their side, that they are acting in accordance with his will, and that they can do no wrong in achieving their goals. There is no way to reason with those refusing to participate in logic and reality. Group cohesion can exist without indoctrinating children into some ridiculous mythology, and this way, the acceptance of outsiders and ability to communicate reasonably with them isn't compromised by ancient nonsense.

[@MehulP30]

In the past five years ago Ive gotten deeper in to my interest science, astronomy, physics, history, and anthropology. Never gave the role of religion much thought though. Fire, agriculture, weapons… sure. This video along with your particular comment has opened my mind to a whole other field of study 😂…

[@donhill3915]

1:00:00 There's a famous story of 3000 bees showing up at the bee-keepers funeral.

[@danceaway6463]

Wow That's amazing.

[@sidusgekst]

Because of all the flowers?

[@ReneeKnightYogaRani]

Analysis while helpful for understanding why we do what we do, doesn’t really do much for emotional experiences. Meditation essentially reboots, and defrags your mind/brain/N.S. from daily stress. To my mind it is almost more important than religiosity in today’s world.

[@angelusvastator1297]

I'm uncertain on whether we're hardwired to believe in some type of God but we're definitely all hardwired to think in the abstract, transcendental etc. and form ideologies, which inevitably leads to belief in God.

[@stellabella8224]

It is hard to believe such intelligent people don't see the larger picture of the cosmos and what is inside each man. It is in my opinion their view is too small and bares some blindness regarding the universe.

[@someguy6924]

"intelligent" people, with a LOT of blindness regarding not acknowledging their "not knowing, what they don't know".. agree 100% :)

[@BigDaddy-hn7oh]

I respect the universe and all of its wisdom the universe knows what it's doing the universe is divine all things are Divine given the opportunity even the worst people have the capability to be divine as hard as it is to imagine it is possible with love all things are possible, I'm just one person but I know to live the real life one must respect the universe it's so simple I call it the live forever program, clean clear and direct . Over and out

[@classica1fungus]

Helicopter hot dog 🌭

[@dennisgrimes5287]

It is amazing how smart people are so ignorant. Using Jesus as an example, uneducated,never wrote anything down. But what I take from the Bible, is he wanted us to love each other and spread the good news. So we have all these “Religions” (Man’s way to God) telling us to believe them or die (Sarcasm). The worst part of this is I consider myself a Christian,but not like the ones we see on TV. Some many wolfs gathering the sheep for slaughter.

[@martynradford605]

No, it isn't. They just gave up looking when they heard what they wanted and settled for that. Maybe that was a big part of what gave them the impetus to become so learned and in turn, tell others what 'they want'. But sounding clever like. While it lulls me to 😴. 👍.

[@sad_doggo2504]

I'm not as interested in concepts of social cohesion and death anxiety as I am in what the endocrine system and neurotransmitters are up to. It was a good discussion, though, with some interesting perspectives. I hope people keep talking about this.

[@davidbutler378]

About religion disappearing: that perception overlooks human frailties and the general denial of the perception boundaries that human beings have. That is especially true of almost all physicists. You definitely, Brian.

[@poppie531]

I think humans have always done well and thrived as social creatures. The spiritualness between tribes is what connects their commonality.

[@SinHurr]

Or it creates sectarian violence in Ireland or the Middle East, or starts the Crusades. That which creates in-groups by nature creates out-groups as well.

[@CaptKROD]

This panel needs to spend a weekend in a house haunted by an active poltergeist. I'd love to see them explain what is happening

[@depressedasfook2893]

That would be incredibly boring as we watch a group of adults respond accurately to completely natural and explainable phenomenon😂

[@andrewdurfee3896]

7:20 Darwin is often presented a a figure that promotes atheism and many who follow his ideas think the idea of believing in God as foolish. Interesting how society presents many figures in history as being opposed to an idea when they may be neither for or against it.

[@gregalexander8189]

According to my personal religious beliefs I am MGAA of MGAACB. As far as I know considering all of my experiences in life so that I am the only living thing that has any vested interest in sharing this belief. If these words find a reader having any difference with this sentiment I must offer my condolences. Thank you.

[@user-livetoknow]

Side note:. Cool graphic effects for panel introductions. Pretty creative edit skills. Nice job. Science and creativity can coexist.

[@darklightstudio]

The Transcendent Experience = The Psychedelic [or even as simply, a Mind Altering] Experience. I can't believe they didn't go deeper into this topic. These things are so /obviously/ connected, I am very surprised that it wasn't even brought up directly. IE: Apes most likely ate psychoactive mushrooms from time to time. Depending upon their experience, they may have passed that on to multiple generations, which could have been the crux of humanity itself! The possible "common mechanism" which was only briefly discussed, needs more attention.. To me, this was a: "Duh...Aha!" moment, once I started researching and experiencing it for myself.

[@bledsoetx]

These folks will NEVER dive into a discussion like that. It would push their "beliefs" up against a wall and they would never put their "exalted" selves in that position.

[@darklightstudio]

@@bledsoetx Sad :( Thank you for responding :)

[@hackerhesays731]

I called the science festival, but was looking for help with Mozilla, MIT and Wikipedia license on my devices disturbing my real life, my quality of life. I realize I need to keep my faith, buckle down. and keep pursuing truth. my purpose now

[@chrismaupin]

The idea that we use religion and spirituality to regulate ours and others nervous systems (as a tool for regulation) is, to me, the most convincing explanation for supernatural beliefs. Religion may just be the capitalization and normalization of those behaviors.

[@juliewilderman8782]

Good observation.

[@ratratte]

Drugs are used for this purpose as well, it doesn't make them the universal tool

[@wayongo2929]

So how does magic work if there's no supernatural?

[@chrismaupin]

@@wayongo2929 magic is not real.

[@wayongo2929]

Please, magic is real if you don't believe, try and visit "Hogbetsotsoza" a festival of the anlo's in the Volta region of Ghana in November.

[@markcaseon7136]

Pinker is a great speaker, he is very articulate.

[@willmpet]

I agree! I think that Pinker is very important and expresses himself well. He has done a great deal I'd research.

[@sangitamullick514]

The whole discussion is good from each speaker's point of view but if the depth of this topic has to be discovered we need people who have complete depth of knowledge, experience, clarity by themselves about this subjects. I think Brian Greene is one of the mostly prominent physicist and doing his research work to find something core of the universe by science. but in the side of spirituality Sadhguru would be the ideal person to give insights specially relating to science. [disclaimer: religious ideas are completely different from spirituality]

[@gregmason8150]

Very well explained. I found this to be "one-sided" as well as so "self limiting", especially if you see someone rationalizing and defining a topic that is so far beyond any humans understandable explanation.

[@natraajgarima]

It's strange how can you people not appreciate but panelist Josipovic said about consciousness and how attentive all other panelists became to listen to him. He is wording the consciousness and its experience way better than anybody has ever did until today after Osho maybe

[@veronicakaese7655]

Suffered 18yrs. Lived through prayers faith trust and hope.. suffered Persecusions base on fear for 18 years

[@veronicakaese7655]

Living under fear was in grip of losses of dignity intergrated intergrity. It is

[@atthehops]

@ 11:51 Do people actually have a "need" to believe, or is this need simply one of many core beliefs that are instilled in us at an early age and built upon that then requires a conversion of sorts to reorient one's thinking?

[@erictaylor5462]

Faith is the belief in that which is not supported by evidence, wile science is the belief in that which is supported by evidence. The problem comes from what happens in the face of contradictory evidence. In science belief is proportional to the strength of the evidence. If the evidence in favor of a belief is strong, then certainty is high, if the evidence only weakly supports a belief then certainty is low. Because of this, it should be easy to abandon or modify belief in the face of new evidence. Because faith is unsupported by evidence, certainty must always be high. So high that it must never be abandoned or modified, even in the face of evidence that proves beyond doubt that the belief is wrong.

[@MKTElM]

You cannot scientifically disprove many of the tenets of belief like there being a Creator who created all that is ... and , you can't even scientifically prove beyond reasonable doubt that things like Angels , or the Jinn ( mentioned in Islamic Qur'an ) do not exist in another dimension .

[@erictaylor5462]

@@MKTElM So because it can't be scientifically disproved, we should believe it? I can't scientifically disprove lots of things. Instead I chose to believe only those things that are supported by the evidence. Further, I understand that my interpretation of the evidence could be wrong and/or incomplete, so I only believe as strongly as the evidence supports. You must also consider, any evidence that supports the existence of a creator God does not necessarily support the claim that God is the God mentioned in The Bible, or in the Qur'an. It is just as likely that the Universe was created in a lab experiment and the "creator" doesn't even know he created a universe. Kind of silly to think that God made the universe by accident and doesn't even know he did it.

[@MKTElM]

@@erictaylor5462 As we are rational beings ... then that which can neither be proved ( using the scientific method) or disproved ... should not be dismissed as false ... It should be kept in the same 'folder' in our brain together with those scientific facts that we suspect will change once more information is available . We must resist our brains wanting the easy way out of " uncomfortable uncertainty " by deciding a thing is either categorically true or false .

[@MKTElM]

@@erictaylor5462 Philosophy includes Metaphysics as well as Epistemology . .

[@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself]

+Eric Taylor That all looks correct. Congratulations for a b.s.- free KZbin comment!

[@mundymorningreport3137]

Fascinating listening to a roundtable discussion about a topic for which none of them have personally explored to even a rudimentary degree. (I stand corrected at 56, one of them speaks of transcendence but does not go into what the specifics of that ability brings beyond "a really deep sharing with animals" and each other. The cells of the body exchange information millions of times every second, this cellular network that enables the organs to cooperate their specialized functions within tolerances that maintain ideal operating conditions demonstrating that this information and control system is real and is also beyond the "science" of modern wireless communications limited by the speed of light. (one must assume that our bodies have available to it this superluminal communications network. What is left is to learn to use it and take advantage of it, not deny it, which is what this panel appears to have non-verbally, although somewhat explicetly accept that science is only in agreement with the "five senses" known to be too slow to be real time and also the result of the body's best effort to create an internal representation of reality, not the actual event. If one tries, you can directly know another person's mind. You can also know another person's body (what it is doing) sometimes better than the other person can know, because with a different perspective comes different observations. This is known as transcendence, well documented and written up as a life saving skill: See "Man's Search for meaning" by Viktor Frankl. Party on Dudes, be good to each other.

[@emceefreedomnoorbunnylove5147]

Evidently, Zoran is the sole member of the panel with a ‘believing brain.’ May ‘God’ bless him profusely.

[@WestTexasBliss]

I find it interesting that there were no believers on this expert panel, and as a person of science that introduces its own type of bias. ~ Donna Gray.

[@flyfree78644]

It clearly wasn’t intended to be a debate. Just a conversation between reasonable and like minded, well informed people.

[@SuperBongface]

Science and math can and will ultimately prove how God exists and what exactly it is....I know how in my mind...God is life in and all matter and it does make sense putting science and religion together. Faith and belief is the key. Determination in what we feel in our soul/gut is the key to belief.. then the key to faith is that belief... and then faith contains the magical powers we all are capable of tapping in to and performing without science being able to explain it as of yet, but soon ;) It, we and life are all energy in The Universe that is God in my belief and we have the gift to manipulate matter and energy in ourselves and the Universe and it really does all makes sense

[@readynowforever3676]

Faith = belief in the absence of evidence. That’s not how we proceed in life. That’s not how we have advanced as a species. But it may indeed be what gives us emotional psychological comfort.

[@danswallers6961]

I tried to get my cousin he’s also my monkey on a flight with me to los angles and the airline wouldn’t sell him a seat what’s up with that?