Nope. The very worst handgun adopted was the Colt/Smith & Wesson M13 revolver issued to air crews. The lightweight frame and cylinder were so weak that they had to develop special, underpowered .38 ammunition to help prevent catastrophic failure. Forgotten Weapons has a good video on this.
@JohnSmith-fd5un3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it was an emergency sort of revolver issued to pilots so maybe we can give that exception?
@justiron29993 жыл бұрын
Do we redesign or strengthen the firearm? Nah just weapon the bullet, lol that's one way to do things wrong.
@JohnSmith-fd5un3 жыл бұрын
@@justiron2999 Well, at least they were ambitious, a bit misled but still.
@rangercal13 жыл бұрын
I was going to add the same comment so thank you for getting to it first brother.
@user-pq4by2rq9y2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-fd5un I wouldn't. Not much reason to make it unreliable.
@PCCC893 жыл бұрын
M13 Aircrewman revolver. An aluminum alloy weapon that was so dangerous to the user that they were all destroyed only a few years after purchase.
@long-jeep3 жыл бұрын
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@jalan81713 жыл бұрын
The examples of the M13 Aircrewman, either from Colt or S&W, are now collectors items.
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
A case of knowing what you want, but getting the details rather wrong.
@briansmithwins3 жыл бұрын
They were only dangerous if you shot them
@FiveTwoSevenTHR3 жыл бұрын
I said the same thing. I'm surprised that someone else brought up the M13.
@johnniewoodard6483 жыл бұрын
When I was in the Navy ('77-'86), when issued the .45 for watch or security, we were only allowed to keep 5 rounds in the mag and NO mag in the pistol. The 2 issued mags (with 5 rounds each) were in a mag holster....snapped closed...same as the sidearm...holster snapped closed. We often joked that if needed we could just throw the .45 faster than all of the wasted time to get the .45 into action.....only one thing wrong with the throwing idea....the .45 was tied to you with a lanyard.
@stephenrandolph63222 жыл бұрын
Remember the 2 MPs playing John Wayne on duty at check point ? See who can draw faster for cigarettes? Then one MPs won when he blew away his battle buddy.
@kevinong13064 ай бұрын
That lanyard allows a serviceman to rapidly throw his 1911 at the enemy multiple times. 😉
@natwolf6874 ай бұрын
@@stephenrandolph6322 Wait, what?
@forrestlindsey39474 ай бұрын
In 1978, I was tasked with designing a "qualification course" for sailors to safely carry and shoot the .45 by CINCLANTFLT because a sailor on watch had fired his pistol and narrowly missed hitting anyone. Every type of course I came up with failed, because sailors didn't take it very seriously or were afraid of the pistol and they shot the ground, the sky - anything but the target. In frustration, I tried the same course of instruction with the navy wives living on Dam Neck base and they were extremely successful and easily qualified "Expert". Admiral Kidd finally gave up and removed pistols for the quarterdeck watches.
@AEMace0694 ай бұрын
This is what happens when you get a Democrat Congress making decisions about how the military does its job.
@jreyman3 жыл бұрын
You nailed the reason the HK wasn't perfect when you said "The US Army didn't actually know what they were asking for." Had the SOCOM requirements actually had a solid idea of what they wanted, HK would have delivered a firearm that would have fit the requirements with German precision. Too many things kept changing through the development to come up with a fully conceived design.
@stephenrandolph63222 жыл бұрын
That's called the Pentagon .
@j.murphy4884 Жыл бұрын
@@stephenrandolph6322 It wasn't the Pentagon in this case, it was feuding between Army SF and Navy SEALS who couldn't agree on anything about the design and saw any compromise as the other branch "winning". Hence why it has a manual safety AND a separate decocker, and why that decocker is such a pain to use.
@mothmagic1 Жыл бұрын
I think it's more likely the US army weren't asked what they needed. They simply got what the bean counters thought was a good idea even though they were given a shopping list of features to look for. Military procurement will never improve..
@wfdix14 ай бұрын
Requirements creep has been the bane of most gov’t projects.
@dw70944 ай бұрын
SOCOM (although a misnomer) has their own acquisition & procurement mechanism. The M9 went through the standard material fielding process. Going to the 9mm was part of the "let's be like NATO countries" idea. I retired just as they were fielding the M9. Just comparing the M1911 and the M9 side by side, one is a weapon, the other is just a pistol.
@MThrow3 жыл бұрын
As the late great Col. Jeff Cooper once told us in a class at Gunsite: "The sole purpose of a combat handgun is to fight your way to a rifle or shotgun."
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
Yup, that's Col. Cooper. And he was serious when he said it. Totally.
@bdr329653 жыл бұрын
And let's not forget Jeff Cooper gave us the Beast known as 10mm, one hell of a great caliber.
@WALTERBROADDUS3 жыл бұрын
Hard to swim with a rifle.
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
@@bdr32965 Well, better than 45 ACP (!) (braces for shitstorm).... :)
@bdr329653 жыл бұрын
@@markh.6687 Oh ya 10mm hits a hell of a lot harder than .45 AARP.
@ryanthomas23743 жыл бұрын
The gun met the requirements of the military. Sounds like the problem is with the military and the people in charge than the gun.
@thetotalwarsmaster3 жыл бұрын
Military-Industrial Complex
@widehotep92573 жыл бұрын
Same thing can be said of other bad gun designs adopted by the US. For example, the 1919 Browning machine gun was too heavy, suffered from random "cook-off" firing, used weather-sensitive cloth belts, and had no quick change barrel. Compare it to the superior MG34 and MG42 used by Germany and you'll appreciate the backwardness of US military weapons procurement. It wasn't John Browning's fault for designing a dog that met crappy requirements.
@Pidalin3 жыл бұрын
@@widehotep9257 You really think machinegun which needs barrel replacement after 200 shots is superior? :-) Germans lost war for some reason.
@jayp_thenumberofthebeast3 жыл бұрын
The gun was created for the specials forces, it met the requirements of the military ( weight, accuracy, reliable, suppressor ready , the gun went to 30000 rounds of +p with no malfunctions) So it’s the worst gun because hk over delivered ???? I quite don’t understand why it’s the worst gun. ( the grease gun or tommy gun are the worst guns in the military now hand guns the military is not gonna adopt something bad ) as a matter of fact at the beginning the beretta was the worst gun, unreliable, low quality parts , complicated when racking the slide for novices !!!! After a couple of years the fixed the problems so that makes it the worst gun and the worst gun according to this guy is the gun that the military wanted and hk didn’t need to fix nothing??? That doesn’t make any sense !!
@JohnDoe-nf7up3 жыл бұрын
@@Pidalin not like they were sandwiched between the most powerful militaries on the planet and had captured almost the entirety of Europe with a politician who had no place leading a military at the helm who repeatedly sabotaged their efforts accidentally because he didn't understand what they actually needed on the battlefield and didn't listen to the people who did.
@eriggle833 жыл бұрын
I love this gun. Ever since MGS came out when I was a kid I had to have it. My Mk23 is still my favorite handgun that I own.
@RedPilled_Knight3 жыл бұрын
Same, it looked really cool and badass. However? After joining the military, the MK23 lost it’s luster for me.
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
Fuck ya dude
@ayarzeev82373 жыл бұрын
I wanted one but then went with a FNX45 Tactical
@shaynewalker32483 жыл бұрын
Pfft peasants. *crack* *sip* "Naked Snakes 1911 from MGS3, now that's a real military handgun"
@Justin_GFM3 жыл бұрын
@@shaynewalker3248 Can't forget the SA Operator 1911 that Old Snake had in MGS4, the weapon choice was probably a reference to Big Boss
@catman3513 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: the Brazilian military didn’t retire their 1911’s: the contracted a manufacturer to produce a kit comprising a slide, magazine, and barrel combination to retrofit their pistols to use 9mm.
@leonardobarros70093 жыл бұрын
Yep, the manufacturer is the Imbel.
@andrewmorke3 жыл бұрын
The first handgun I ever fired on the range was a Colt Commander 9mm with a 9-round mag. It was a great arm, but I still preferred the Hi-Power that I later purchased.
@cs-rj8ru3 жыл бұрын
What was the point?
@sogk123 жыл бұрын
Who cares?
@rafaelramirez70893 жыл бұрын
@@cs-rj8ru the point is that no point needs to be made
@hobbstactv25713 жыл бұрын
I was honestly expecting the Colt "Aircrew" revolver, with it's aluminum cylinder and pud-loaded .38 round.
@jacobmccandles17673 жыл бұрын
Right!? ...and all to save 1 pound in an 183,000 pound bomber, with 312,175 lbs of fuel, and 70,000lbs of bombs...an all up weight of 488,000 pounds(!), but a real K-frame, or God forbid a 1911...oh no, that's too much!
@Stigstigster3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobmccandles1767 I cannot wrap my head around that! It's like someone designed and made that thing because they could and definitely not because they should. As you say, what would an airman prefer? Almost anything in a decent caliber other than that!
@Matt_The_Hugenot3 жыл бұрын
Or the .22 they issued to U2 pilots.
@patrickc15083 жыл бұрын
One of many worse guns than the mk23.
@edstettin67993 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY! We used this .38 for my first range qualification in the Army. Was not accurate and only 6 rounds of .38! No thanks! I was a young, stupid W01 right out of flight school and partnered up with a experienced CW4 Vietnam vet that day at the range. He hated it and here is why. This is what he told me. He was shot down in Vietnam flying his UH-1 Huey and everyone ended up unconscious after the crash except him. There was a Vietnamese soldier approaching and my buddy emptied his .38 into the approaching soldier who kept coming at him. He was out of bullets now. The door gunner came too around this time and hit the soldier with multiple rounds from his door mounted M60 and ended it right there. 7.62x51 for the win! I said "What would you like to have for your handgun?" "Something with as many bullets as I can get", was his reply. He also told me he used to carry a Thompson submachine gun on board with him after that incident. I learned ALOT from guys like my friend. Vietnam vets get all my respect. This .38 revolver does not....at least for a soldier in combat.
@ZSC0013 жыл бұрын
1980’s: SIG undercut by Beretta. 30 years later..... SIG undercuts Glock.
@tempestfowl19853 жыл бұрын
"Fool me once..."
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
Lol
@lethalweeaboo22393 жыл бұрын
The same model too LOL
@jaydubs63543 жыл бұрын
Lol sig was like that scene in war dogs 😂 they under bid the competition by over $100 million
@jimmieburleigh95493 жыл бұрын
Then they slid in the contract they are the sole provider of parts extra barrels and mags at a higher rate than glock so in the long run the military budgets and tax payers get screwed. Now that per unit undercut looks like peanuts to the fortune in mags & parts.
@toobigtofit35843 жыл бұрын
The Mark 23 is my favorite handgun. Period. I have a Maritime finish model, with a KAC suppressor and an Insight LAM1450. It's among my most shot firearms. Tear mine apart and you'll see carbon caked on everywhere. It's surprisingly easy to shoot, even as a guy with smaller hands. That being said, I usually describe it as a really good execution of a terrible idea. HK did everything the US Government asked of them, and then some. Thing is, no one ever stopped to ask if what the government was asking for was a good idea.
@mysteryman49153 жыл бұрын
Yeah, thats a really good point.
@FiveTwoSevenTHR3 жыл бұрын
The Mark 23 is my favorite handgun as well. I use mine as my EDC but I'm also 6'3.
@texasbeast2393 жыл бұрын
“...Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” --Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park
@thalesofmiletus61623 жыл бұрын
Genuinely curious. What makes it your favorite handgun?
@toobigtofit35843 жыл бұрын
@@thalesofmiletus6162 If you're expecting an objective explanation of why it's my favorite, you're probably not going to get it from me. I just like the gun, because it shoots well for me. I guess I can try to explain it, both by talking about the gun itself, and about the guns it's often compared to (most of which I own). I actually like the controls on the Mark 23. I do own a lot of HKs, so I prefer the paddle magazine release, and I like the Mark 23's implementation the most, of all of HK's paddle magazine releases. The USP release is too small, the new VP9/P30 release could use more texture, the HK45C release is similar to the Mark 23 (good), and the P7M8 release is pretty good too. I like HK's slide releases, and the Mark 23 is no exception - nice, big, easy to hit. The decocker is a bit slippery and low profile, but to me, decocking is an administrative procedure, not a tactical one, so I'd rather a decocker be out of the way than easy to hit. The safety I could do without (I'm not the kind of guy that runs the gun cocked and locked), but it mostly stays out of the way. The trigger is pretty decent too. Not a 1911, but pretty decent. The SA break is reasonably crisp, in the 5-5.5lb region. The reset is actually fantastically short, tactile, and audible, I'd go as far as to say the best reset of all the HKs I've shot. The DA is smooth, but somewhat heavy (maybe the 12lb range). I tend to like checkering on my handgun grips, and the Mark 23 definitely has that. The sight radius is pretty long. What about compared to some of the guns the Mark 23 is usually compared to? I have a USP Tactical, which is said to have been procured off the shelf and used instead of the Mk23 (albeit, in .45 instead of the 9mm that I have). The USP Tactical has a better SA break, but is worse in almost all of the other trigger aspects (more lackadaisical reset, grittier DA pull). I prefer the USP's trigger convertibility (I converted mine to V3 to remove the safety), but the lever is pretty big and kinda gets in the way of getting a higher grip. The sight radius is shorter, being a smaller gun, and at least on the 9mm, the sights don't clear suppressors as well. The HK45CT (Mk24) replaced the Mk23. I don't have one, but I do have a USP45 Compact, which the HK45CT is an evolution of (went something like USP45C > USP45CT > HK45CT). Most of the comments of the USP Tactical apply, but you also lose even more sight radius, magazine capacity (8-10 vs 12) and overall shootability. The USP45C feels a lot snappier than the Mk23 and I just don't shoot it anywhere near as well. The FNX45 Tactical is another comparison. It beats the Mk23 easily, on paper. Higher capacity, optics compatibility, better ambidexterity, actual Picatinny rail. I've got one, and I do like it. But it's the small details that I don't like. Mags don't drop free as well as most other guns. The safety lever works like a V1 USP, which I don't prefer. It's liable to decocking if you sweep it off of safe with force, and honestly, it's a bit mushy going to each position. The grip texture is a bit too aggressive. The gun overally feels more loose than a Mk23. The trigger SA break is lighter, but mushier, and the reset is not as good. The DA pull I'd say is comparable. Slide release is laughably small, comparable to a Glock. The Mark 23 just shoots really well, especially suppressed. I've shot it out to 100 yards with ease, and I'd love to stretch it out even further when I have the chance. The KAC suppressor, despite weighing nearly a pound, doesn't really throw off the balance of the gun (now, gun + suppressor + LAM does get heavy). It's not the most quiet suppressor, but it's still shockingly competitive for something from the 90s (I have the Rugged Obsidian 45, and it is quieter, but also longer, than the KAC). The gun does have a lot of muzzle flip (being long and having a high bore axis), but it gets back on target pretty fast and is a soft, smooth shooting gun. I am not saying it's the most practical gun. If I had to choose one handgun to cover my every day needs, the Mark 23 would not be it (just too big to conceal for me). But if you asked me to pick one gun for the range, or one gun to trust my life to (without the need to conceal), the Mark 23 would be it. That was a lot of text to say "I like the gun just because." But yeah. I like the gun just because.
@capnhands3 жыл бұрын
Remember Murphy's law of combat, "Never forget that you're weapon was made by the lowest bidder."
@toastpuppy34913 жыл бұрын
Unless you’re Swiss
@keithstone86933 жыл бұрын
your*
@toastpuppy34913 жыл бұрын
@@keithstone8693 how to tell someone failed their middle school English class
@infantilepillock16873 жыл бұрын
Except the Mark 23. It is the toughest pistol out there made from the best materials with legendary Kraut Space Magic.
@capnhands3 жыл бұрын
@@keithstone8693 grammar Nazi
@MightyMaynes3 жыл бұрын
Saw you holding the 1911 and my heart stopped. Don’t scare me like that ever again lol.
@RedPilled_Knight3 жыл бұрын
Same.😂😂😂
@horsefucker18663 жыл бұрын
Hi everybody Happy New Year!
@gavinlangston6033 жыл бұрын
I feel like a lot of us felt this way. Lol
@zhdx543 жыл бұрын
Haha same
@MrVinicios013 жыл бұрын
M9 >>> 1911
@robertwalters86893 жыл бұрын
"For it to fire, you must have a round chambered" 🤔 ..... Hold up, what a min. Lol
@Stevarooni3 жыл бұрын
To contrast with all of the open-bolt handguns out there. 😉
@michaelreed13803 жыл бұрын
Or any of the guns that will fire without a round chambered. Is that a ghost gun?
@mandodelorian46683 жыл бұрын
@@michaelreed1380 "A magazine with 100 clips in it!"
@StatesDivided3 жыл бұрын
You obviously haven't experienced ghost bullets
@PrecisionDan3 жыл бұрын
It's an old design. Newer handguns don't even need any ammo in the magazine.
@jessicasimp44593 жыл бұрын
It’s basically the Thompson SMG of handguns because of the hefty weight and the high price.
@snowlothar453 жыл бұрын
Except soldiers actually liked The Annihilator
@mandodelorian46683 жыл бұрын
@@snowlothar45 Indeed, clearly I didn't serve in WW2 but the "Tommy gun" was an incredibly awesome weapon for its time.
@CKshouta3 жыл бұрын
we rag on the thompson for its excessive cost and weight. But looking back, All double stack mag SMGs built to standards worth shit were expensive and heavy(Suomi, Beretta 1938, PPD40, etc), until the PPsH41, M2(intrim SMG that was only technically adopted) and PPS43.
@CKshouta3 жыл бұрын
@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez ehh the Thompson was definitely obsolescent in WW2, it doesn't bring anything new to the table and it is heavy and expensive. But it worked and worked well. Now, if you were talking about the .30 carbine thompson...
@Stigstigster3 жыл бұрын
@@CKshouta I think that it's fair to say that soldiers will generally put up with heavy, some lack of ergonomics, something out of date provided it is reliable and does the job to whoever is on the receiving end. The Thompson is almost certainly all of those things. When a weapon works and you have every confidence that it will work when you need it to, a soldier will like that weapon.
@MDK1663 жыл бұрын
"This was the worst handgun adopted by the US Military." Solid Snake would like to have a word with you.
@installshieldwizard30173 жыл бұрын
who?
@tlshortyshorty58103 жыл бұрын
You’re pretty good
@chrisallegre28973 жыл бұрын
I don't know, he tried pawning it off to Meryl for the Desert Eagle 😂
@mouthbreather2803 жыл бұрын
B M but we’re talking about the 20th century so the p320 is not eligible. Also I wouldn’t say so, there was a fix to that problem so it’s not a bad gun as it stands.
@FenixArmory3 жыл бұрын
Am... He used MR 23 Socom.
@MrNeosantana3 жыл бұрын
US government asks HK to make a gun. HK makes gun the way the US asked for. "Why wou HK make this?"
@nickcorsello84453 жыл бұрын
I'd like a cheeseburger with no cheese, please. xD
@Thorn197743 жыл бұрын
Same with the german government/Bundeswehr.
@dakolbycrittenden-brown2293 жыл бұрын
@@nickcorsello8445 you asked for a hamburger
@texasbeast2393 жыл бұрын
Like the FBI picking the trendy powerful 10mm caliber and then watering it down to the weakest 10mm load in existence, and then turning around and running it through a heavy duty S&W gun purpose-built for hot loads.
@DerMeister8213 жыл бұрын
@@nickcorsello8445 my first job was in that field of hospitality, and those people DO exist.
@ramdom_assortment3 жыл бұрын
"The gun is just too big." I'm sure there is some 2 meter tall(6' 7") veteran somewhere watching this and laughing.
@PuppetMaster17913 жыл бұрын
I'm not that quite that tall but the Mark23 fits my hands rather well as I tend to dwarf most pistols
@jeramyw3 жыл бұрын
Maybe not 6'7" but Tim is a big guy and he's a veteran.
@xanimosityxgaming26643 жыл бұрын
6'4" here, pistol is a good fit in my gorilla hands
@jacobjohnson26033 жыл бұрын
Not a vet but 6'8. Glock 19's are too small lmao
@timewave020123 жыл бұрын
I'm 5'3" and have tiny hands. No pistols fit me well. I don't have a Mk23, but other double stack 45s like the FNX and Glock don't fit me worse than anything else, so the size of a double stack 45 ends up not mattering for me either.
@jamesdeek77563 жыл бұрын
Let's not kid ourselves...offensive handgun just means fun toy for all us gun lovers.
@edwardwood65323 жыл бұрын
He is missing lots of the colt semi-auto pistols issued between 1900 and 1911, that used .32 or .38 caliber.
@steemerxaxon16433 жыл бұрын
He is like the MSM He only tells what he wants
@edwardwood65323 жыл бұрын
@@steemerxaxon1643 I am coming at it from a viewer of Forgotten Weapons or c&arsonal. Filter my possibly unreasonable expectations through that.
@nt-hd5fo3 жыл бұрын
@@edwardwood6532 you're correct tho they deserve an "honerable" mention.
@redtra2363 жыл бұрын
I don't think many of those were formally adopted by the US Military. Most of those were very good guns although lacking in stopping power. The M1909 revolver was sort of a step in the wrong direction too but at least had a lot of power.
@edwardwood65323 жыл бұрын
@@redtra236 Without rereading the entire thing, I believe they were used by officers. Widespread or official adoption, whatever that specifically means, may not be the case for those early pistols.
@sttvoyager17273 жыл бұрын
The MK 23 is a great pistol that is extremely reliable but it’s also designed to use as a bat if you get involved in a punch up!
@shermanbrooks233 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@andrewmorke3 жыл бұрын
U.S. would've loved the Hi-Power.
@ElCineHefe3 жыл бұрын
Yep!
@Miller090953 жыл бұрын
As an owner of one, I'd have to agree. Once you remove the magazine safety.
@dutchplanderlinde48453 жыл бұрын
Should’ve adopted the Hi-Point C9 :).
@HRCSJSUAMMAS3 жыл бұрын
@@Miller09095 Mag safeties are the devil. The devil!
@bobsradio60253 жыл бұрын
The US military sort of did that. They replaced an effective .45 caliber handgun with a little .36 caliber (9mm) popgun.
@pantagruel10663 жыл бұрын
I adored my M9. I think that, in the service, in the early 2000's there was a "cool" factor to 1911's. Because all the secret squirrel types were using 1911's and Medal of Honor prominently featured them.
@Ten_Mil_Will3 жыл бұрын
I have had three 92's so far. I had a 92SB (Italian), a 92F (U.S.) and now I have a 92A3 (Italian). If you like the M9, check out the M9A3. They freaking nailed it! Thry brought an iconic platform into the current era. I run suppressed pistols and I have NEVER seen a barrel where you did not even have to remove the THREAD PROTECTOR to field strip. Everything about that gun is just dead on.
@stuartgorka9893 жыл бұрын
@@Ten_Mil_Will Agreed on the M9A3. I've had a 92F since the early 90's, but got bored with it since the grip was a hair big, the trigger was a hair heavy and it didn't quite shoot point of aim, so it mostly sits. I got interested in the M9A3 after catching a few reviews, including MAC's, so picked on up and think it's amazing. It fixed everything that was just a little off for me on the 92F.
@Ten_Mil_Will3 жыл бұрын
@@stuartgorka989 Are you using the Hogue wrap arounds or the flat handle scales (for the "Vertec" profile)? I have the wrap around on mine but with it more closely replicated the original 92 feel. To me it seems like it is just a little fatter. I have been told to try the plastic wrap around grips but they're 80 bux. BTW what color you get? I got the Black and Grey and love it.
@stuartgorka9893 жыл бұрын
@@Ten_Mil_Will I'm using the flat handles...I originally didn't like the look of the vertec since I'm more of a purist, but it grew on me. I love the feel of it in my hands with that (I have medium sized hands). I got the FDE one. I think it's funny that the box says "SCAR FDE", I guess since it's also 73 shades of tan like a scar.
@Ten_Mil_Will3 жыл бұрын
@@stuartgorka989 That is kinda funny, "SCAR FDE". I couldn't warm up to the flat panels. The pistol just felt a little nose heavy, to me, without the "hump" (and that was WITHOUT the suppressor). If you're not into them yet, check out a CZ P01. If you like Berettas, you will probably love CZ's (their metal framed hammer fired models).
@robertcopeland11624 ай бұрын
Carried the M-9 for 21 years and 19 days, never had a single problem. Still my favorite. Just bought an M9A4 and I retired 19 years ago. Never saw anyone have problems putting the safety on racking the slide. Love it!!!
@drewschumann14 ай бұрын
I once saw an M9 shoot it's carrier, while being carried in the issue shoulder holster. A piece of camo net snagged the safety, disengaging it and partially pulling the pistol out of the holster. Another piece of the same camo net engaged the trigger, causing the pistol to fire into the carrier's side, causing serious injuries
@Chilly_Billy4 ай бұрын
@@drewschumann1 One reason why I retrofitted the G-series decocker-only to my 92FS.
@DC143524 ай бұрын
@@drewschumann1 could have happened with a grip safety as unlucky as he was
@drewschumann14 ай бұрын
@@DC14352 Slide mounted safeties are hard to reach and are an accident waiting to happen
@henburg17094 ай бұрын
you mean to say that MAC is a daydreaming mammal!
@randomstuff29853 жыл бұрын
Mac starting controversy again in the comments 😂
@brianmanning92713 жыл бұрын
I’m diggin the Boba Fett stocking cap.
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
This is the way
@Militaryarmschannel3 жыл бұрын
@@tdnavy1066 Weapons are part of my religion.
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
@@Militaryarmschannel now this is the way
@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder3 жыл бұрын
@@tdnavy1066 this is the way
@enrique56073 жыл бұрын
@@tdnavy1066 this is the way
@tommywilson98363 жыл бұрын
Possibly the best gun to fill a role that didn't exist.
@pantagruel10663 жыл бұрын
You're exactly correct. The m9 filled the role. The 1911 is a good Jesus moses Browning gun. But in combat, you want more rounds in a magazine.
@jonathangriffiths24993 жыл бұрын
Rule 1 ask the end user if they need it . This weapon is the result of a defence spending increase leading to vanity projects getting the nod.
@max420thc3 жыл бұрын
Bull shit, the 9 1911 is one of the best combat handguns to exist to this day.
@taytayippo25993 жыл бұрын
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@pantagruel10663 жыл бұрын
*Too. I think you meant. And "hollow points" aren't widely available in Geneva Convention abiding militaries. Although not unheard of. Key point. It's just my personal opinion. Based on experience and research.
@Cogzed3 жыл бұрын
Worst handgun is not having a handgun.
@JN1-5063 жыл бұрын
"For it to fire it must have a round chambered" Wow, who would've thought
@The_SmorgMan3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to buy a firearm that doesn’t need ammunition to shoot...
@drivanradosivic13573 жыл бұрын
@@The_SmorgMan a Energy using gun?
@it_rocks3 жыл бұрын
*laughs in open bolt*
@andrewshepherd52493 жыл бұрын
He's explaining to people who are new to guns
@lukewarmwater64123 жыл бұрын
you mean..... wow. my pistol is realy outdated, and its a h&k usp!! it cant fire unless there is a round in the chamber.... is that a problem??
@sicarrioh33953 жыл бұрын
🔥 The H&K Mark 23 was built for Hell on Earth ‼️
@maverickfox41023 жыл бұрын
The M1911 is the handgun that refuses to completely retire.
@RageUnchained3 жыл бұрын
I own 2 lol
@anthonysantiago19993 жыл бұрын
Long Live the 1911!
@maverickfox41023 жыл бұрын
@@RageUnchained same here.
@garyolivier7923 жыл бұрын
Ditto !! Still my favorite HG!!
@kennethharriger61523 жыл бұрын
1 hit from a 45 and you are down compared to 2 or 3 hits from a 9MM.
@bdr329653 жыл бұрын
The 1911 is by far and away one of the most beautiful handgun designs ever. It may have started of as a .45 ACP, but you can get it in various calibers which proves how damn great the design really is. I've got a Rock Island 1911 chambered in my favorite caliber which is 10mm.
@RickyBChevy2 жыл бұрын
I’ve got one in the Patriot brown version. Love it.
@mr.lovell36453 жыл бұрын
Small Arms Solutions had mentioned that the military wasn't buying OEM parts which lead to problems with the M9...
@arieheath77733 жыл бұрын
That and Winchester screwed up a bunch of their cases, causing pressure to skyrocket. They were basically shooting a steady diet of proofing loads through them. Cracked frames on Sigs as well.
@Thorn197743 жыл бұрын
Yup that combined with the basically proof load 9mm they were feeding them caused things to muck up pretty badly.
@SCH2923 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Small Arms Solutions and Gun Jesus talked about those. Lol..So..in a nut shell.... Small Arms in a nut shell: The government cheap out on parts and didn't care to maintenance the guns. Gun Jesus in a nut shell: The government switched the powder on the last minute without telling Beretta as the testing phase continued. Anyway..does all of these sounds familiar?..Hmmm..M16? Does that ring a bell?
@arieheath77733 жыл бұрын
@@SCH292 Yep, at least this time it was a sidearm and not the main infantry rifle the government mucked with.
@mr.lovell36453 жыл бұрын
@@Thorn19774 I knew there was something else, I forgot about the ammo!! :0)
@SWAMPHUNTER6443 жыл бұрын
When I was an MP in the Army during the Vietnam era, I carried a Model 1911 every day on duty. The powers that be limited us to carrying magazines holding only 5 rounds, probably in the mistaken belief that it would weaken the magazine follower spring. Perhaps that was true for some suppliers of magazines. I think the weakened spring theory has been pretty much been debunked. But did the brass issue us additional magazines to compensate? No they did not. Ironically, they also limited us to 5 rounds of buckshot for the 12 ga. pump shotguns we carried for payroll runs and special guard duty situations. Military Intelligence?? I think not!
@bluetrue60623 жыл бұрын
I can tell you why the five round thing. It was five rounds out of a 50 round box. Easy math! That's it! That stupid! They did the same thing issuing ammo for the M3 grease guns. Five rounds for a submachine gun. Dumb.
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
I'm Flagg; military counter-intelligence! Nobody said the government had to make any sense. Except when we tell them to.
@nickv10083 жыл бұрын
"They" have always worried soldiers would use too many bullets.
@wardaddy65953 жыл бұрын
And usually these decisions are made by Pogues sitting safe back at HQ!
@edstettin67993 жыл бұрын
We had problems with the mags on the M9 as well. I could not get that thing to feed no matter how clean it was and it was traced to the mags. They were crap. I love the M9 but hated the mags they used when they were first introduced. Mac nailed it in the video.
@Tula1940_LB3 жыл бұрын
The US should have adopted the Browning Hi Power. John Browning himself called it a replacement to the M1911.
@reallyhappenings55973 жыл бұрын
9mm vs 45acp
@Tula1940_LB3 жыл бұрын
@@reallyhappenings5597 Correct 9mm is flat out better
@Galahad_Du_Lac3 жыл бұрын
No he actually didn’t, also .45acp is objectively ballistically superior.
@brownleelogan13 жыл бұрын
@@Galahad_Du_Lac Ballistically superior? I mean, they both penetrate about the same distance, have leave similar wounds, and 9mm has higher pressures and muzzle velocity. I'd say they're more comparable, as opposed to one being objectively superior. Unless you have some big proof to backup your big claim?
@ahoneyman3 жыл бұрын
7 rounds of 45ACP vs 13 rounds of 9mm. John Browning did have a valid point.
@ronrobertson592 жыл бұрын
The 1911 was and still is the best service pistol ever issued to any army. I carried it for 50 years in the army as a police officer and as my CCW. My issue with the M92 was the open barrel that got dirt in it. When my police department was going to autos I blocked the M92/M9 Beretta in favor of the Sig P-220 45ACP since I was Sgt and the range officer. That was 1988 and my old PD is still using the Sig P-220s today..
@mirukosupreme18323 жыл бұрын
“Boss I’m tryna sneak around but some old guy keeps talking shit about my hk mark 23 socom that I paid $2000 for and my frustration is alerting the guards”
@jasondevereaux33693 жыл бұрын
2000.00??? Back in the 90s that pistol was just over 1000.00
@sinisterwombat31283 жыл бұрын
@@jasondevereaux3369 not with the lam
@jasondevereaux33693 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterwombat3128 ya...there was no "lame" back then. Is that a 700.00 part???
@jasondevereaux33693 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterwombat3128 mark 23 socom...fat oversized usp 45 with a threaded barrel, this size of a desert eagle. Cool as shit for sure but...dudes video says it all
@FiveTwoSevenTHR3 жыл бұрын
@@jasondevereaux3369 the Insight LAM was adopted with the gun in the very beginning.
@f3uibeghardt5223 жыл бұрын
"You're not a SEAL until you've tasted Italian steel" is a quote attributed to SEALs testing the new M9s and having the slides break and hit them in the mouth.
@neutronalchemist32413 жыл бұрын
The story is quite different. SEALs adopted the 92SB before the Army adopted the M9, and had two cases of slide breakages. One was trying loads he prepared for his SMG, the other had fired over 30.000 rounds with that gun. Beretta obviously replied that they should have used standards NATO spec ammos and replace parts according to the schedule (in the early '80, 30.000 was an incredibly hig count of rounds for any handgun. IE The XM9 program only requested a service life of 5000 rounds) but, at that point, the 92 fell out of the SEALs favour and they adopted the SIG P226. Ironically in the '80s the P226 was known for frame breakages (they had one even during the XM9 trials) and lately the SEALs experimented several, with operators suffering hand injuries.
@f3uibeghardt5223 жыл бұрын
@@neutronalchemist3241 Yeah, I've heard all that, too. But I'm curious about the very last thing you said. Are you saying they were re-evaluating the MK 25 _recently_ and experienced breakages?
@neutronalchemist32413 жыл бұрын
@@f3uibeghardt522 They had breakages in the '80s, when SIG used welded frames.
@f3uibeghardt5223 жыл бұрын
@@neutronalchemist3241 Oh, okay. I knew about that, but it sounded like you were talking about a far more recent evaluation.
@f3uibeghardt5223 жыл бұрын
@@jlinms8721 People talk often about the weaknesses of the original P226 with its stamped slide and pinned-in breech block.
@deekim81643 жыл бұрын
We were still using the M1911 in W. Germany until the 90's. Got an Expert Marksman badge with it in Graf. back in 90.
@chembio1013 жыл бұрын
Good old Grafenwoehr! 535 Engineer Co CSE Early 90s here!
@mikereuben3 жыл бұрын
I was a gunnersmate in the navy working in the armory and range. My own observation, marines and sailors typically did not qualify their first time with the 1911. When the change over to the beretta 92f occured just the opposite happened and most were qualifying their first time. But give me a 1911 or 92f i love them both.
@staceyhartman68254 ай бұрын
92 WAY 2 BIG 4 my fingers. Could only DA it left 'weak' handed. Couldn't hit shit, went to P35, Then 1911 till injury, then G36. Still miss that gem of a 1911.😢
@gonzo55983 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear built to military grade I think cheapest and lowest priced.
@TheRealZJE3133 жыл бұрын
Yes cause we know Uncle Sam is not trying to waste our taxpayer dollars ha ha ha
@ProShooterAbsolute103 жыл бұрын
Yea definitely, beretta m4 (over 2k) , beretta mrad (over 7k), all beretta 50cal versions (some over 10k) . All cheap military grade staff...
@LRRPFco523 жыл бұрын
The opposite is true when you look at round count without stoppage, sand/dust, and arctic testing requirements, and US materials requirements. US Mil-Std/NATO requirements are a very high bar to reach for that most commercial market firearms manufacturers could never reach and keep their current business models/pricing schemes.
@berettaxd75663 жыл бұрын
Government waste is much worse than you think.
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
Werner von Braun, architect of the Apollo Program: "Six million parts, all built by the lowest bidder".
@bigbaby85333 жыл бұрын
I shot expert with the beretta in bootcamp. Thats all I just wanted to brag
@MajBaggs3 жыл бұрын
You know what stranger on the internet? I’m proud of you!
@ladyelect92743 жыл бұрын
i like the honesty, im proud of you too!
@rc591913 жыл бұрын
M9 is an awesome pistol only reason people hate it is because they get one that had a million rounds through it and was abused by a dozen other Soldiers or whoever. People don't realize how bad our military is at weapon maintenance
@danjf13 жыл бұрын
back in 92' we didn't qualify with a handgun in boot, at least in the Army. Would have been nice
@isaiahmarquez97173 жыл бұрын
The one time I actually did a pistol qual was with the M9 way back when.
@rzr2ffe3253 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a defense spending problem not an H&K problem. Thoughts?
@TheTyrantOfMars3 жыл бұрын
Exactly: this gun was robustly tested to destruction, it does exactly what the military wanted it’s just what they wanted was stupid...
@jamesgunnyreed3 жыл бұрын
I shot and carried an M9 for Almost 20 yrs in the Marine Corps. I was in for about 2 1/2 years before I was able to qualify with one. The ones I used were old worn out and beat up from MCAS Armory's all over the world. The only malfunction I ever had with any of them was....I had one that would randomly fire a 2 round bust. It worked great for the 7 yd reaction drill during qualifying. Id like to have one the newer versions of the M9 or Beretta Model 92.
@JaySheer3 жыл бұрын
When you are going to talk about the worst handgun adopted by the US military, and start off by whipping out a 1911....ya about knocked my blood pressure off the chart.
@beepbooboobopbooboobeep3 жыл бұрын
Boomer moment
@michaelscotch38353 жыл бұрын
@@beepbooboobopbooboobeep it really was good for its time though, not a boomer thing to appreciate it for what it is
@bluecaptainIT3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelscotch3835 M9 fanboy over here. I still love the M1911 and I start drooling whenever I see a M45A1 MEUSOC Pistol!
@thatguy224413 жыл бұрын
In terms of capacity, weight, and complexity of operation, I'm afraid the 1911 is the worst anymore. Don't get me wrong, it's a decent platform and it was one of the best of its time, but it's obsolete compared to what's available today. Of all the handguns he reviewed in this video, the 1911 is the last one I'd choose to carry into battle.
@spartan07223 жыл бұрын
I agree. The M9 is super easy to maintain, it’s accurate, and the only malfunctions I experienced were locking block cracks in guns that had thousands upon thousands upon thousands of rounds fired through them. I like it. I carried one in my three trips to Iraq and my one trip to Afghanistan. No issues with it.
@cyclingtj3 жыл бұрын
Saw Lethal Weapon...bought a Beretta. I was then transferred to Ft. McClellan as a firearms instructor. When the M9 was brought online I was told to write a lesson plan for it. I trained people with it for 3.5 years. Carried it in the MidEast and Africa. As said here, if you maintain it, and its magazines, it will perform.
@cyclingtj3 жыл бұрын
@@tupops If you take apart the magazine spring, but sure to put it back in the same way. The top of the spring angles up. If you put it in the other way, it can cause jams. Other maintenance is the same as any other weapon.
@russellr.18963 жыл бұрын
In dry conditions but Panama wrecked havoc on them. ABN atw ABN everyday, 118 MP CO ABN 86-91
@cyclingtj3 жыл бұрын
@@russellr.1896 Somalia was ok, but Haiti was the same as Panama. 21st, in 93 and 118th 94-96. ATW!
@shanek65823 жыл бұрын
When I was 19 I watched Tears of the Sun I wanted one of those so bad, then I found out the price and I was making $7 an hour.
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
Good movie
@TRUTHISABSOLUTE7773 жыл бұрын
@@tdnavy1066 except when the one character said something like " I'm staying. These are my people too". Dumb line.
@tdnavy10663 жыл бұрын
@@TRUTHISABSOLUTE777 lol can't have it all
@cheezuscrust77303 жыл бұрын
Those were in fact in real life canadian special forces not american SF so they would have been using sig sauer pistols
@burtvincent12783 жыл бұрын
I would suggest the aluminum framed aluminum cylinder Colt / S&W M13, 38 spl. revolver, air crew special was a bigger flop imo.
@Kaiserp8953 жыл бұрын
Mk23. Finally a gun that looks regular size in MACs hands.
@trevor53793 жыл бұрын
I'm about the same size as him and i've had people joke about that with my desert eagle lol
@Ufos4dahoes3 жыл бұрын
How is your comment a week old already?
@trevor53793 жыл бұрын
@@Ufos4dahoes i think members get early access
@MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE3 жыл бұрын
Gun santa is my new favourite. Seems like a friendly guy I could have a beer with and talk about gun history.
@DrygdorDradgvork3 жыл бұрын
I still want a 10mm Mk. 23. Chambering such a big pistol in that round would actually make sense. Also, just because.
@BryantMoore873 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Or even a MK 24 in 10mm
@billycole8523 жыл бұрын
Mk23 45 socom is my dream pistol because of Rainbow Six
@MegaManlet3 жыл бұрын
I just want a 10mm :(
@jacobs12303 жыл бұрын
Sadly HK doesnt design guns for the civilian market. I highly doubt any contract will ask for a 10mm pistol ever.
@DrygdorDradgvork3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobs1230 true. Because we suck and H&K hates us.
@dasgtr3 жыл бұрын
The Mark 23 is the greatest handgun the U.S. Military FORGOT they had.
@BLUECHET3 жыл бұрын
I almost bought one .
@mbogucki13 жыл бұрын
Cause NATO don't do 45 cal.
@Funhaus_Ryan3 жыл бұрын
They chose to forget.
@sh0ryualfa3933 жыл бұрын
Spec Ops guys can throw their entire Mk23 stock to me if they don't want it anymore 🤣
@HeavyDrop_3 жыл бұрын
John M. Browning is arguably THE Greatest Firearm Genius the World has ever seen. Even Ma'Deuce is still getting work done!
@philmcglen61943 жыл бұрын
I'm English and even I want to own a 1911
@agentoranj58583 жыл бұрын
Imagine getting our pale hands on some of the .455 Webley models...
@yeeyee3953 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for y'all over there in Europe
@philmcglen61943 жыл бұрын
What sucks is if you know the right people you can get an illegal weapon for a couple of hundred pounds but we aren't allowed to own centerfire autoloaders or handguns.
@yeeyee3953 жыл бұрын
@@philmcglen6194 well that really fucks the "saftey" the government has given you
@georgehays49003 жыл бұрын
In desert storm they gave me a beretta M9 and I was a little sad. I told the armorer that I’d much rather have a 1911. The next time and every time after that I came to check out a weapon I got a 1911. They were still in inventory but phasing out. I qualified with both weapons the 1911 in the early seventies at enlisted BCT and the Beretta M9 in 1986 at officer basic. I enjoyed the Beretta but loved my 1911 much more.
@ccengineer59023 жыл бұрын
Why are you so sentimental for an antiquated weapon? How is a gun that is prone to jamming and holds less than half the ammo of a double stack any good?
@jacobmccandles17673 жыл бұрын
@@ccengineer5902 I can field that: when you have to use nonexpanding ammo, the .45 gives the impression of greater stopping power. Wether it does...that's debatable. Any decently serviced 1911 is not "prone to jamming". Remember that when it was phased out there were guns in inventory from clear back to WWI! The M9 is a good weapon, but the open too slide that lets dirt fall out, also lets it in...right on top of the exposed locking lugs. Most people can't fire the M9's DA 1st shot for beans, and the grip circumference is port to say the least. For anyone with less than gangley philangies, the 1911 is easier to shoot well.
@booya64373 жыл бұрын
@@ccengineer5902 I wouldn’t call a handgun that served the US military for over 100 years antiquated...
@captbart31853 жыл бұрын
@@ccengineer5902 after shooting 1911s for half a century, I have never had one jam using reliable Ammo. When it was for score my 1911 went bang when my M16 went click. We’re are all these jams of which you speak?
@ccengineer59023 жыл бұрын
@@captbart3185 the 1911 fails in any field test. In a dirty environment, the 1911 reliably and predictably fails, because of how the frame rail is designed. That's why no modern pistol shares that part of the 1911 design. M16 is also an old design that should be updated. No modern firearm uses a gas impingement design. It's remarkable how long Americans cling to their weapons despite the flaws they carry and despite there being much better alternatives available. Simply remarkable.
@LUR1FAX3 жыл бұрын
The Mk.23 is essentially a large USP in .45 ACP.
@DWN223 жыл бұрын
Acquired a USP45 instead for that specific reason among others. Collateral being one of em 😆
@willy40183 жыл бұрын
And the USP is a great pistol also
@dksdg3 жыл бұрын
Which I personally love the USP, those things were so badass in the 90’s. Still are but they were one of the only pistols coming with threaded barrels.
@sttvoyager17273 жыл бұрын
@@willy4018 one of the best pistols ever made...especially for suppressing...I’ve shot hundreds of different pistols and while the USP and its variants are larger, they are among the most accurate factory produced and among the most RELIABLE PISTOLS EVER MADE...JMHO 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@agentoranj58583 жыл бұрын
Isn't it literally the other way round?
@burnyburnoutze2nd3 жыл бұрын
So this is essentially the handgun version of the ACU? At least the Mk 23 works....
@rogermcbadlad28123 жыл бұрын
By ACU you mean UCP right?
@burnyburnoutze2nd3 жыл бұрын
@@rogermcbadlad2812 yes, I mean that. Whoever thought making a camo that blends in with nothing but grandmas couch is an idiot.
@rogermcbadlad28123 жыл бұрын
@@burnyburnoutze2nd lol, I agree. I heard it works okay on a rock quarry though. It looks sweet when people dye it darker shades of green or brown though.
@thetallone76053 жыл бұрын
Oof.
@bronco53343 жыл бұрын
@@burnyburnoutze2nd The not-entirely-wrong concept was that future warfare would likely occur primarily in urbanized areas, which UCP does actually work reasonably well in, and that a camo that was optimized for urban and "ok" in every other terrain was the best choice.
@easbreid98793 жыл бұрын
"Every American should own a 1911 45acp", i agree with that 100%.
@saskafrass19853 жыл бұрын
And us Canadians get a rubber banana. Oh wait that's the prime ministress wish list.
@richierich30533 жыл бұрын
Or in 10mm.
@orinjackson9753 жыл бұрын
*every American should own a GOOD 1911, not a RIA, Taurus, or Kimber!
@PepperDarlington3 жыл бұрын
Nah
@zdub84383 жыл бұрын
@@orinjackson975 I've got about two thousand rounds through my rock island standard 2011 with no jams. Outshoots my father's kimber eclipse wether it's set up for 9mm or .22 TCM. My 2" taurus snub nose 856 shoots one hole groups at 7 yards and 11 inch groups at 25 yards and I'm no Paul Harrell. A $1400 smith performance center model 10 will not give you those groups at over 4x the price. If I got a performance center I wouldn't be able to stash three of them around the property and have $300 left for ammo like I did with my 856's. You don't know what you are talking about or you have more money than sense. Money is a poor replacement for skill, practice, and familiarity with the tool. Just like a roofer couldn't hand me his roofing hammer and expect me to be able to put a roof on I couldn't hand him my nitro piston air gun and expect him to hit without teaching him the artillery hold. Give me any fixed barrel $100 bryco or jennings Saturday night special and I'll outshoot 90 percent of $1k gucci glock owners at the 25 yards line.
@Shadowhawkdark3 жыл бұрын
Note: the M9s that were 'exploding' and splitting and hit the Navy Seal in the face....yea, the military was using way overloaded rounds causing pressure way too powerful for what the pistol was designed to deal with. Further proof that the M9 on its own was perfectly normal, it was poor ammo, mags, and training that pissed people off about an amazing pistol.
@sibbolo92043 жыл бұрын
makes me laugh the idea that the beretta it's not reliable. Used and abused worldwide since "ever" we can say, i never ever hear complain about. Yup, it's heavy, that's true.
@xusmico1873 жыл бұрын
no one broke with ww silvertip only use < 5000 rounds
@michaelwoods90052 жыл бұрын
European subgun ammo.
@sterlingreece93553 жыл бұрын
When you started the video with the 1911 I thought "I guess Mac decided he doesn't want any subscribers over the age of 50" 😂😂😂
@Militaryarmschannel3 жыл бұрын
Haha. Thanks for watching and for the comment. It was a good laugh.
@sterlingreece93553 жыл бұрын
@Shutbyotch he was fair to the gun.
@sterlingreece93553 жыл бұрын
@Shutbyotch oh so you didn't watch the video and only read the title and a couple comments to know which gun he was talking about. Good call. Do go on
@sterlingreece93553 жыл бұрын
@Shutbyotch and for the record he didn't imply that he prefers the 1911.
@sterlingreece93553 жыл бұрын
@Shutbyotch glad I got you to watch the video. Do that from now on before commenting.
@Muc913 жыл бұрын
"Heavy is good. Heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit him with it." - Rade Šerbedžija aka Boris The Blade
@popinmo3 жыл бұрын
Heavy is stupid
@joekurtz83033 жыл бұрын
Someone had to refer Boris. Da!
@snek93533 жыл бұрын
In a gunfight the man with the heaviest gun has the advantage. Heavy = less recoil, more capacity, more powerful cartridge, and more accurate.
@popinmo3 жыл бұрын
@@snek9353 I think your really stupid
@snek93533 жыл бұрын
@@popinmo "I think your really stupid" - YOU'RE funny.
@BenBartlow3 жыл бұрын
love the intro lol make us think your going to shit on the 1911 i bet some peoples blood pressure spiked for a minute
@MrBenjaminsisko3 жыл бұрын
This is like buying a Lamborghini and keeping it parked because the insurance is to high
@levanpkh68823 жыл бұрын
Honorable mention: revolvers with aluminium cylinders aka Aircrewman
@briansmithwins3 жыл бұрын
Contract specified a lightweight revolver for aircrew. Didn’t say anything about shooting them...
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
@@briansmithwins Uhh....I think you missed the point of providing the gun, but I'm being picky. :)
@briansmithwins3 жыл бұрын
@@markh.6687 “making aircrews feel better” is a valid reason for equipping them with sidearms. That most of them won’t survive a situation where they need a sidearm is a different matter.
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
@@briansmithwins I THINK the Gov't. meant them for more than just moral support.....notice I hedged and said "THINK". Given the mess they created of the whole thing though....
@Sam-iw6te3 жыл бұрын
I dont care what anyone says, the MK 23 can ride in my holster, any day.
@mickbowling44123 жыл бұрын
@@desertwolfarmory he probably hunts with it i assume.
@perciusmandate3 жыл бұрын
Slap a set of wheels on the 23 and YOU can ride it instead.
@jj180573 жыл бұрын
@@desertwolfarmory and you're the dumbass that mocks someone without knowing why it is done. Thereby exposing your own ignorance...
@ahalfsesameseedbun74723 жыл бұрын
@@desertwolfarmory so like the French special police GIGN who use the MR73 which is a sniper revolver?
@ahalfsesameseedbun74723 жыл бұрын
@@desertwolfarmory clearly you didn't read it correctly, A SPECIAL FORCES UNIT USES A REVOLVER WITH A SCOPE ON IT AND IT WORKS GREAT.
@KurtSprings8083 жыл бұрын
I understand all the points. I just think "worst" is the wrong choice of words.
@garrettdark56683 жыл бұрын
Mac messed up by saying "Worst Handgun Adopted...", it should have been "Worst Adopted Handgun..." The former says the handgun is the worse, the latter says the adoption is the worse. So Mac is sort of craping on the gun despite him saying he isn't.
@EJ-dz7zb3 жыл бұрын
Least adopted for it's role?
@robertmontoya48333 жыл бұрын
Least best...feel better now!?
@lt47534 ай бұрын
That Barretta shoots just fine. LAPD used them for years.
@NET-POSITIVE3 жыл бұрын
The mk23 was not intended or designed for a standard sidearm, it was asked for specific reasons and roles by tier 1 spec ops. In that role it is amazing.
@bombomos3 жыл бұрын
Cuz it's a hand sniper
@NET-POSITIVE3 жыл бұрын
@@bombomos awesomeness in a nice offensive package!
@sim.frischh97813 жыл бұрын
"offensive pistol" means it shoots insults at the target. Or the shooter...
@stig12803 жыл бұрын
Offensive because it is not a Glock.
@sim.frischh97813 жыл бұрын
@@stig1280 I´m Austrian, so every gun not a Glock or a Steyr is offensive to me ;)
@jeff403 жыл бұрын
@@sim.frischh9781 I love both of those Austrian brand's, although I wish Steyr would put a better front sight on their pistols?
@johnniewoodard6483 жыл бұрын
"offensive pistol" means it triggers them. (them = anyone other than the operator of the weapon)
@ArcaneWorkshop3 жыл бұрын
@@sim.frischh9781 No love for Walther? I can't quit my PPQ!
@davidkeck18783 жыл бұрын
This ought to get a rise by a lot of folks but imho the biggest error the military made with a handgun was not adopting the CZ75. I say this for many of the reasons you mention plus the price point would have been more reasonable than the berretta. However the US was not about to accept a weapon that in the 1980's whose country of origin was still part of the Soviet bloc. This did not stop a lot of other nations including many in Nato of taking advantage of what many including, me consider to be the best designed 9mm service weapon ever made. The CZ75 is to the 9mm what the Colt was the 45 acp.
@rafaelramirez70893 жыл бұрын
It's not too late yet
@sunracer18693 жыл бұрын
Agreed 👍 CZ75 eats up any ammo Easy to break down.
@bobyjones39054 ай бұрын
I have one not impressed no better than any other pistols I own
@alcodie15583 жыл бұрын
Good vid . Had no clue where you were going with this one not until you showed it . Well done !
@glockguru93 жыл бұрын
One of the most tested and reliable tank of a handgun. But as always when you get the government involved what you think you need turns out to be nothing that you need. For less money you could do the same thing with a HK USP tactical.
@cosmicatrophy46483 жыл бұрын
I've always loved that ability to safely drop the hammer on a live round on the Beretta
@winstonsmiths24493 жыл бұрын
The Beretta butt-hurt many people. The myths and misuse were the only "problems" in the beginning. The safety "problem" is by newbs and no training/use troops.
@Plumbump3 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I loved mine in the Army (tanker) and I loved my 96 later, its accurate, reliable, and sexy to boot
@lucaschudleigh71933 жыл бұрын
I know a few SF that would annihilate this idiotic comment.
@winstonsmiths24493 жыл бұрын
@@lucaschudleigh7193 Yeah, they are the experts in metallurgy and firearms design. Anecdotal stories are as valid as your arguments here! Sorry fool, the pistol WORKED and still does. No disrespect to SF guys, but appeal to authority is not a valid argument.
@davidjmathena3 жыл бұрын
At 4:46 you mentioned the locking block. When I was an armorer aboard NAS Meridian, Mississippi, I saw several of the locking blocks fail and lock the slide in place. This was probably due to the previous armorer not logging ANY rounds and therefore using the weapons beyond their service limits. Still, after about the 7th one breaking like that, I vowed never to carry an M9 for duty or self-defense purposes.
@cdpc2113 жыл бұрын
Not only American's love the 1911. The whole world loves the 1911.
@mkw25553 жыл бұрын
I don’t 😁 But sure I like .45 acp
@thebestthereis27293 жыл бұрын
@@mkw2555 😒
@benn4543 жыл бұрын
230 Grains of Freedom
@thegunnitgamer57163 жыл бұрын
1911 is a class act of a gun. Reliable, sturdy, unyielding, yet refined and modern in ways a gun of its era really doesn't deserve to be.
@ManinTidyWhities3 жыл бұрын
My snake became anything but solid when the MK 23 was considered a joke weapon
@troybranch97203 жыл бұрын
Huh ? !
@visualwarp97073 жыл бұрын
@@troybranch9720 its a reference to a the video game Metal Gear Solid, where the main character Solid Snake used a mk 23 primarily and in its intended role.
@wilkinsnl3 жыл бұрын
Hahahahhaa
@tylerandersenandthegang3 жыл бұрын
!Who's footprints are these?
@Maelstrom83 жыл бұрын
Well done, sir!
@enlightenedbythesouldevour14123 жыл бұрын
I thought you were gonna say the Sig P320 because it fires on its own
@columbiawarmachine9795 Жыл бұрын
I have never shot one , good channel I have been watching for years it helped motivation on my channel
@PHIllip3243 жыл бұрын
As a Beretta fanboy, I fully admit I came into this expecting to be mega-mad.
@connorharney77703 жыл бұрын
Same
@GW-qe8qe3 жыл бұрын
Same here. I thought I might have to sit through him hating on my Beretta. That might have been a game ender for me lol.
@jamesdean2573 жыл бұрын
Same
@patrickharty92143 жыл бұрын
I was issued the 1911 & M9 during my career. In my 33 years of service I never ever had a problem with my M9 to include using it in Operation Just Cause and several deployments to Afghanistan. I prefer the M9 by far! It never failed me. I personally own a M9A2.
@shanescatsandcannabisfarm29652 жыл бұрын
The cause wasn't just thou... It was over oil...
@WhitexFeatherx4 ай бұрын
1911 syndicate did a very good video on the mk23 featuring a Navy SEAL who was on the development and testing team when they were being tested. Great insight into the Offensive handgun program. The gentleman recalled firing the mk23 for a week or two straight, sun up to sun down. As fast as the HK Engineers could feed them loaded mags. This pistol went well above and beyond the required 30k rounds in between failures. There is a USP45 out there with over 200k rounds without major failure.
@nmflyerrobbin54133 жыл бұрын
Beretta got the contract because they wanted military bases in Italy, particularly Aviano air base
@Shadx273 жыл бұрын
Thought you were going to go with a WW1 revolver. I wouldn't say that HK is the worst, I would say pointless.
@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven62103 жыл бұрын
@@uglydog311 Geez, Jerry is probably one in the billion.
@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven62103 жыл бұрын
@@uglydog311 I'd love to master wheelgun one day myself :) But Jerry, he's faster with revolver than me with CZ and I'm not the slowest, believe me.
@jamesonball33453 жыл бұрын
A 1851 colt
@bwat053 жыл бұрын
I only used the m9 in the military but the Sig p226 is still probably my favorite of all time.
@Journeyman.713 жыл бұрын
That suppressor, thogh! HK (whispers): "Psst... You're dead... Psst... YOU'RE dead... Psst... you're dead, too..."
@oneshadowone3 жыл бұрын
I retired from the Army in 1993 23 years, I carried a 1911 until I retired and is my daily carry to this day.
@dougbrook62233 жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity do you carry it cocked and locked or without one in the chamber? Or cocked and no lock. Lol. I'm sure it's not the last one... I have never liked a 1911 because of the single action, well and failure to feed with hollow points. Don't get me wrong, beautiful cool guns. Just with so many higher capacity, smaller,more reliable pistols being invented in the last 110 years why do you still carry a 1911? I know a lot of people that carry them.
@oneshadowone3 жыл бұрын
@@dougbrook6223 locked and cocked is the only way to carry a 1911 practice pulling the safety thumbed off and the trigger pulled in one motion . I've crawled in mud pulled and fired with no malfunctions and when a 45 hits you don't need 20 more rounds ! I trust it with my life and it has come through for me many times . no 9 mm plastic weapon for me....
@varanid93 жыл бұрын
You carried a 1911 up until 1993?? Wow, I carried one until I got out in 1982, didn't know they used them that long after. I remember they were going to start phasing in the Berettas shortly after I got out.
@mrg092119763 жыл бұрын
Since the 1911 left service in 1983, you obviously didn't carry it until 1993 unless you were SOCOM and even then it was rare.
@oneshadowone3 жыл бұрын
@@mrg09211976 I Retired from the Army in 92
@jobiden1793 жыл бұрын
Sig, I didn't Win Anything, It was chosen strictly on price
@Strikeagle9113 жыл бұрын
.....that would be the 21st century. This is about the 20th century.
@siamsasean3 жыл бұрын
Very cool breakdown of the sidearms. I have a lot of friends who write code and that sort of thing shows up in their world all the time. The program does exactly what the client asked for, problem is the client didn't ask for what they actually wanted.
@milkapeismilky54643 жыл бұрын
Colt .38 revolver during philippino war
@louisianaball3 жыл бұрын
Don’t expose Jeffrey Epstein’s death or else you will be melted
@danielgrant92133 жыл бұрын
Most models of Colt revolver chambered in .38 Long Colt were produced and issued in the 1890's.
@blakedavis24473 жыл бұрын
To my knowledge they weren’t shooting specials like we would today
@matthewcaughey88983 жыл бұрын
@@danielgrant9213 and it was so bad that the army dug out the old 1873 peacemakers to ensure the guys they shot stayed down
@GunnerSouthPAS3 жыл бұрын
Mecgar sells an 18rd 92 magazine that's pretty much flush. It's a great mag to boot.
@michaelreardon76673 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the Mec- Gar mags are awesome.
@TSFightingDuck3 жыл бұрын
I have all mec-gar 18 round mags for my MK25. Great mags.
@megachef04213 жыл бұрын
The range I go to has a fully automatic mp5, and a few m1911’s for rent, the full auto mp5 is just 👌😩 The m1911 is one of the best handguns I have ever got the privilege of shooting and actually handling in real life, so smooth
@bradbrown97223 жыл бұрын
The Beretta M9 all day long Still carry one today
@paststeve13 жыл бұрын
Behold the camel. 'Tis but a horse designed by a committee.
@jdmdc5r0483 жыл бұрын
Id love to see a 1911 perform as well as a mk23
@terry50083 жыл бұрын
A 2" group at 25 meters? Some people would be hard-pressed to do that standing, with a rifle.
@bradbrown97223 жыл бұрын
Fore sure! Seems alittle much doesn’t it?!?!
@markh.66873 жыл бұрын
Some of the "some people" couldn't hit if the muzzle was touching the target!
@finnjohn77293 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I couldn't do that with an AR-15, much less any handgun ...
@kennethponder38833 жыл бұрын
The pistol needs to be capable to do that. It's in the contract.
@PROutdoors943 жыл бұрын
“Oops I guess I had one in there!” That my friends is why you always treat a firearm as if it’s loaded!! (Not knocking you for it Tim, just a point to other folks!)
@Shadowdancer7773 жыл бұрын
I trust the m9 more than any gun on this list. Never had a single malfunction with my 92fs.
@scooterbob44323 жыл бұрын
Got no problems with my Beretta 92F. Good weight, accurate, never jammed on me. More enjoyable to shoot than my Glock 19.