Worst Mechanism Of The Year? | Bachmann 9F | Unboxing & Review

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

'Worst mechanism of the year' Let's wait and give Heljan a chance lol

[@StPetersLayout]

Bachmanns 9F is 14 years old bruh

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

@@StPetersLayout I have Lima models which run better than that

[@davidknowles2491]

@@blisseyran-dom6822 Heck my Airfix Prairie runs better than that.

[@StPetersLayout]

@@blisseyran-dom6822 still 14 years old do the title “worst mechanism of the year” can’t be used

[@blisseyran-dom6822]

@@StPetersLayout It just means that he's seen this year

[@lexthepikachu851]

I think you might have had a bad one, cause i got 2 Bachmann 9Fs, a black one and the Evening Star and neither of them stutter or struggle, they both run smoothly.

[@psyjayne]

So strange, it must be faulty. My Bachman 9f is the most powerful of all my trains and pulls a rake of 5 coaches up my steep incline without breaking a sweat, where my other locos will struggle. The only complaint I had was the tender. It’s a shame but I just think you got a bad one.

[@calebkendall5418]

That’s impressive

[@Blue_Hound_2144]

My 9F is the same, so good, almost as good as all my hornby collectors edition and limited edition locos

[@WillBowenclassiccars]

Strange, my Bachmann 9F is the best loco I’ve ever owned... quietest loco and I’d rate it higher than my bachmann city of Truro...

[@dwaynejohnson4892]

That’s because you obviously have no standards. The bachmann city class is also junk. Just confirms you obviously have. Ever had a good locomotive.

[@ToastTheThe]

@@dwaynejohnson4892 who tf angered you? You went all out on Will for like literally no reason

[@Blue_Hound_2144]

My Bachman 9F does really well. it’s as good as my hornby collectors edition tornado, limited edition A4, hornby West Country class (Barnstable CUSTOMISED), I just think sams trains got a faulty model, and the fact he uses a carpet is not going to help at all

[@ScaniaVabis580]

I'm now on my ninth bachmann 9f, not a single issue. They all run fantastic regardless of load or curves.

[@overpoweredsteamproduction513]

@@dwaynejohnson4892 said the person who collects spiders for a hobby

[@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj]

I'm confused my bachmann 9f is the best runner in my collection

[@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj]

@Daniel Cafarelli well then he shouldn't make such a profound statement to such a large audience

[@davidknowles2491]

@@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj He reviews the model he has taken delivery of. It's not his fault he has a rogue, it's Bachmanns quality control department that's to blame for letting it slip the net.

[@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj]

@@davidknowles2491 considering how long said model has been in production it could be the fact it's probably been sitting in a box for years on a shelf or in a store room, and for the poor quality control sam seems to love hornby and yet i've never had a perfect hornby model so no company is perfect

[@wucgqwhcvuqwbkchqj]

@Daniel Cafarelli i've had a lot of experience with poorly designed models (heljan, dapol, hattons, hornby etc.) But from experience bachmann seem to be pretty good on the mechanism front at least back when this model was first released

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. That said - the mechanism is objectively poor, therefore my 'profound statement' is justified. Hornby make garbage too - don't get me wrong - look at my A2/2 and you'll see a prime modern example. Can't agree that Bachmann models from this era were quite good on the mechanism front though - this, the Hall and the 2-8-0 are some of the worst I've seen! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@hollpoll]

Complete load of tosh, never had a days troubles with mine and I have three of them, they pull more than I can put behind them, threw two hornby railroad versions in the bin because of mazac rot which was unrepairable. Your habit of close up views with what seems a thousand times magnification I find annoying you could probably do this to any 00 gauge model and pick holes in it. The mechanism is 100% reliable. Any model of 1/76 scale is always going to have some imperfections. Having said all that I suppose one hundred thousand subs speaks for itself.

[@waynemeakin]

They must have upgraded the 9F for the NRM version. The torque is great, wheels spin when stopping it with my finger etc....it's actually one of my best runners. Slow accelleration is fantastic on DCC. i'm very happy with mine.

[@MrBnsftrain]

Looks like we got another loco to pick on during the live streams. Looks like it's going to pull the egg vans and railgun!

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's true actually - I hadn't thought of that! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

@@SamsTrains Hey, let me know where to send my egg van. I'll even pay the international post! Thank you for a good laugh, after seeing this video I needed a good chuckle. My mood has been considerably dark since seeing the T9 video. May Hornby burn for that horse apple.

[@mikeking2539]

I was thinking the same thing about the egg vans.... But it is a duff example and really ought to be sent back, my 9Fs are much older and run without issues even on 2nd radius track with the tender close coupled!

[@lukeslocomotives]

92000 was the very 1st 9f, built on 31st January 1954. She was withdrawn on 2nd February 1965 having been allocated to Ebbw Junction, Bath Green Park, Banbury, Old Oak Common, Tyseley, Bristol Barrow Road and finally to Gloucester Horton Road. Here she has a Bristol Barrow Road Shed Code. 92000 only worked for 11 years, 5 months and 1 day and was cut up at Birds (Long Marston) during November 1965.

[@SamsTrains]

That's very cool Luke - I didn't realise this was the first! Thanks for sharing! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Thomasthestreamliner]

Have any 9fs have been preserved or anything

[@steamier7755]

@@Thomasthestreamliner yes, there are some 9Fs preserved, the most famous being Evening Star which is now in the National Railway museum collection.

[@Thomasthestreamliner]

What are their numbers

[@Thomasthestreamliner]

Could be

[@r4cubing420]

When Sam sees a bad Bachmann loco: THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNBELIEVABLE THIS IS AWFUL THIS IS RUBBISH THIS IS CHEAP AND NASTY When Sam sees a REALLY BAD Hornby loco: this is bad but there is some good to it and it isn’t that bad also I would sort of recommend this

[@TheButters5000]

Hey Sam. Just wanted to say thank you for reviving a childhood dream, I've had a couple of trains and you've inspired me to go for it and build a layout. So thanks and stay awesome.

[@SamsTrains]

That's my pleasure David, so glad to hear that - have fun!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Deuce_and_a_half]

Good luck David. This is an amazing hobby!

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

@@Deuce_and_a_half Well, David, I hope you were paying attention. I don't buy anything anymore until Sam has a go at it.

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

And thank you, Sam, for sparing me an adult nightmare. I cannot afford anymore rubbish.

[@MoD1982]

I'm a little late to the party, but that gap between the tender and locomotive is so large you could fit an L&Y Pug in it.

[@fangpleaser946]

The coupling between Loco and Tander has two holes so you can couple them closer together.

[@lorrainedimmock4096]

Owned 5 of these, must say, knocks the b....X of the old Hornby model, lovely model and stunning detail, including brakes..! And runs like a dream.!

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks for sharing - very glad to hear that! I think I'll be holding out for the new Hornby one personally ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@robstrains8711]

You are totally correct this review is so wrong the Bachmann 9f locos are great and to put a review out like this for one loco of a run of thousands just isnt right.

[@stuartsmith9199]

Totally agree this review is wrong !! So wrong😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@SteamingThroughYorkshire]

@@robstrains8711 agreed

[@aureol40012]

@@robstrains8711 I know, what’s he on? Have you heard him bleating on and on and on about things which don’t effect the running of the bloody loco! He’s got an issue with Bachmann, clearly. Pathetic.

[@TIMMEH19991]

I've got 4 of these all different ages. They all have run many, many hours, run perfectly and pull very strongly. I think something must be wrong with that one. This gripe about wheel bearings is a bit of a red herring. If it works and lasts, (which it does), who cares?

[@elsagillespie5210]

Even though it's an expensive loco, I wonder what El Cheapo would think of it.

[@gary7890123]

I Have seen lots of you reviews and have found them interesting but this 1 I dont understand, I have about 50 Hornby Locos and the only steam Locos I have from Bachmann are the 9Fs and I have to say they out perform all of the Hornby locos with pulling power and they never have a problem with pick ups or stopping, And the detail looks great. ?

[@azuma7628]

Yay after all these years finally a Bachmann 9F! :)

[@SamsTrains]

haha yeah - about time! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@dkiely03]

From everything I've heard about Bachmann 9Fs, I believe this is probably not a representative example. While both 9F models on the market at the moment are dated, I don't recall the performance of either being widely criticised.

[@SamsTrains]

You could be right - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. That being said... that mechanism is terrible no matter how you look at it... and that is representative! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@seeleymainline8293]

I really would enjoy seeing an inspection video because this is driving me crazy what is wrong with this loco 🧐

[@SamsTrains]

haha I know - I'll put it down for a potential autopsy video! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@bluglouk]

Yes this would be interesting

[@mobius8002]

The problem with this loco is the nut behind the camera.hes i tit.

[@lucitonstjames3925]

The problem with this locomotive is that it has been one of the staples of the Hornby range for donkeys years & as recent evidence from Hornby suggests , how dare other companies make models of things they consider theirs & theirs only. Plenty of good reviews / testimony from modellers who use these models on their layouts pulling good length trains etc. So Hornby are making a new one & so the question arises of how do Hornby try to convince people to buy their new model & not stick with their existing Bachmann one / deter future Bachmann sales , I’ll leave it you to join the dots.

[@canalsidingsmodelrailway3411]

Hi Sam, I feel I must set the register straight a little. I cannot disagree about the abysmal performance of your Bachmann 9F. But your praise of Hornby's 9f are misplaced IMHO. I own 2 Hornby railroad 9fs which I purchased around 2012/2014. Both are now useless. They will not run due to the tender chassis having suffered Mazak rot. I contacted Hornby and their response was disgusting. Not their problem as the models were out of warranty. No offer of new tenders even for money. Absolutely unacceptable. I will now not purchase any Hornby locomotives. Incidentally I also used to own a Bachmann 9f from the first batch they made and it ran really well both on dc and dcc. I never ran it enough to see any wear from the lack of bearings so I cannot comment further. .......................John

[@SamsTrains]

You are right - the Mazak rot phenomenon in the Hornby 9Fs was totally unforgivable, and you’re right to say what you have. I too suffered the same issue, and was every angry about it. That’s a separate issue though - my comparison here was mainly intended to show the difference in performance (and therefore mechanism) between the two models. I only speak highly of the Hornby 9Fs because I believe the problem to be fixed, and because I’ve found more recent examples (like the ones shown in this video) to be free of the fault. Had This not been the case, I certainly wouldn’t be recommending the Hornby 9Fs! Cheers, Sam :)

[@harryprince5472]

Now that’s a name for a video XD I’m looking forward to this

[@SamsTrains]

haha hope you enjoy it! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SeatedViper]

Hi, Sam! You mention the "blind" or flangeless centre driving wheels. This was indeed a real feature, I have a 1970's Evening Star and once had the old Airfix kit. The "blind" was to enable such a large locomotive to go round very tight curves and Network Rail now insists that all wheels have flanges, so none on main line runs any more!

[@theunsungking113]

I have one of the Bachmann 9F for over 10 years and mine is one of my favourites to run and not had any problems *touch wood*

[@stephensmith799]

I like my two as well.

[@48firefox]

yes quite agree with you, I have got both the Hornby and Bachmann ones, the Hornby one has been the worst one , bad running and even had a new motor, the Bachmann one runs a lot better and to date dont think it has even had a wheel clean

[@brooklynroad8581]

same here no propblema . mines got sound and fire box flicker

[@maley2552]

Sam says: "Bachmann 9F has the Worst Mechanism" Meanwhile at the legion of Heljan "We would like to remind you of our existence."

[@SamsTrains]

haha don't worry - I've filmed a review for another Heljan lemon, so there's that to look forward to! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

@@SamsTrains STOP, you're killing me!

[@williambabcoke248]

Gotten a night owl?

[@bushmonsterwilhelm6716]

At least it didn't stall like this 9F

[@tempertantrum6464]

@@SamsTrains **rubs hands in anticipation**

[@Andy1962-in-Kinross]

I think you’ve got a duff loco there Sam. I have a Locomotion Models / Bachmann ‘Evening Star’ loco and I’ve had trouble free running for several years right out of the box. I fitted a Hornby TTS decoder with an upgraded speaker both located in the loco and very pleased with the results. I used to have the Hornby Railroad 9f and the Bachmann is so much better. Try before you buy but I honestly think you’ve bought a duffer. Return for a replacement.

[@Alpha-oo8]

I don’t exactly understand what torque is... the never taught me that one at school

[@owenlewis6521]

Torque is a force that consistently keeps rotation in the mechanism. So if you put ur finger in front of the train, the wheels should still spin at a constant pace but do not. The poor motor and large amounts of friction from the axles cause this.

[@dougie9941]

Send it back Sam lad, not worth it (also very generous, think I'd have given it a 4 maximum haha)

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Dougie - I did consider it... but it's part of the collection now for better or worse... I might even make a project out of it! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@stratman9449]

update on one 9F.....yesterday it just shorted with a big spark from the wheelset/valvegear.....dead as a dodo....game over.....haven't checked what caused it yet....

[@andrewverden7965]

Sam, I have two of these, Eveinng Star and 92116. Both run beautifully with 30 filled coal wagons or 7 coaches running at speed; they will pull way more than my 3 Hornby 8Fs and are second only to my Beyer-Garratt in terms of pulling power. I think you have a bit of a dud one with problems. I agree some bearings would have been nice but overall I can only recommend these Bachmann 9Fs.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. Given how shoddy the mechanism is, I can't say I'm surprised though!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@dancalmpeaceful3903]

Man....that "jerking" (or "herky-jerky" motion) or "staggering" motion was driving me crazy just watching this (I was ready to take it off the track and start troubleshooting it as I"m laying on the couch here...). I really wonder if you just received an outright faulty unit. I know the design isn't so hot but it really seems like it should have performed somewhat better. Might be a bit of a combination...but I think the damn thing is just faulty. Just my opinion... I agree with the one comment below...I'd consider sending the evil thing back with a LONG letter.....

[@gary7890123]

I have 5 Bachmann 9fs and I am very impressed with the performance of these. I also have the Hornby Corsti 9f. I have been running both for over 2 years and I cant fault any of them. The performance of the Bachmann 9fs is far better than a lot of the hornby Locos I own

[@aurch09]

My experience exactly!

[@mikeking2539]

The model has been around for some time, so the "poor quality" you are bannging on about is just nunts, Sorry Sam but please thake the time that the model has been around into consideration first !

[@azuma7628]

Did you like driving the 9F in real life? :p

[@SamsTrains]

It did - much more so than driving this model! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@cargoboom1042]

@@SamsTrains wait Sam did you drive the 9F?

[@IndustrialParrot2816]

@@SamsTrains you actully drove one cool decapods aren't the biggest but they certinaly aren't small really only the 4-12-2s and the articulated locomotives can 1up a decapod

[@davidwest6962]

Sam, I've many Bachmann 9Fs. Your 9f is not representative. All mine have plenty of torque. Suggest you get a replacement and/or run it in. No need to reply!

[@DaveDenyer]

I've got two Bachmann 9f's. They run beautifully, look superb, and I am very happy with them.

[@mobius8002]

Here here .same here .

[@trainfan998]

Review this one again, just like you did with the hush, hush. Maybe Bachmann fixed these problems.

[@stuartsammodels6750]

Early, haven’t watched the video but I bet it’s gonna be a good one

[@SamsTrains]

Awesome - hope you enjoy it!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

I saw it. Needed an airline barf bag midway.

[@alantoms3263]

I reckon somebody is paying your suppliers to give you the worst example of every locomotive you review!! My 92220 older-boxed Bachmann ES is a superb runner - super smooth, with none of those characteristics. Tighter-radius curves are typically difficult - but that's more a function of the axles not sliding in 'oilite bushings' or bearings as people call them. Just don't have this issue at all with my ES. I had a Hornby 9F, which ran well, but the moulding wasn't up to it - finer detailing and 'that side pipework'. ES is superb. My Hornby Crosti is an excellent runner, and looker - that side pipework, major item for me, let's it down. I'm disappointed, and for you as well - ES I have is miles better and would have no issues. Al.

[@SamsTrains]

haha I don't know about every one - the last few from Bachmann have been fantastic! But the quality of the mechanism here can only be Bachmann's fault; it's poor by design! If the wheels are unable to slide, and that's causing the problem, then I'm not surprised... I did show the bearing situation ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Locomattive8572]

Sam I think you have turd of a model. My Bachmann 9f. Iv had one for years. Its is an old model now. But It’s never broken, no detail has ever fell off, and it can pull 50 to 60 wagons on layout with scale gradients.

[@dancalmpeaceful3903]

As per the movie "Christine"....you know about "turds"......you can't polish them....

[@mrbluesky2050]

looks like you've got a 'Friday Afternoon' job, Bachmann are known for rogue runners. For a balance I have four Bachmann 9F's on the depot, all of which run lovely, smooth and with barely a foot wrong over all the pointowrk, I have no issues with pick-ups, mind you I can wire track and point frogs.....and I haven't designed in second radius reverse curves, even allowing for Peco medium radius, and an asymetric 3-way point. Don't be expecting too much from Hornby, they'll use the Crosti chassis, which also runs fine for me too. Overall, I fully disagree with you on this one, like I said, you got a lemon, not helped perhaps by being a limited special, end of the working day run at the factory.

[@mrbluesky2050]

. . . oh, and by the way, if you don't want it,, I'll have it off you !

[@dilwich]

At least with the Hornby centenary 9F you get a nice box and a fibreglass keepsake . . :)

[@SamsTrains]

haha that's true... and presumably it'll work properly too, which is a nice bonus! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@philkeller4170]

Once again Sam is refusing to pay any attention to the fact that the loco was designed over 10 years ago before things like putting decoders in tenders became the norm. Sam always seems to ignore the fundamental fact that when doing objective reviews, it doesn't matter whether a model is 'new' to him personally - the question is it a newly designed model or one that has been out for many years. People watching this video (and its not the only one) can therefore easily be misled by Sam and assume that the loco is a new product when in reality the only thing 'new' about the Bachmann 9F is its running number! You wouldn't go round trying to compare a 12 year old Vauxhall Astra with a new paint job to a newly designed Ford Focus or one of the first Dyson vaculm cleaners to one of the latest models, or the graphics of a Playstaion 2 games console to a Playstation 5 would you? A 'new' paint job and packaging does nothing to change the fundamental fact that this is a 10 -15 year old design and the mechanism itself needs to be reviewed on THAT basis, preferably by finding another tender loco of a similar DESIGN age and comparing that to the 9F.

[@SamsTrains]

That's not the point Phil - this was produced way more recently than 10 years ago, and sold at a modern price.... hence the outdated features are unacceptable. I clearly stated that this was designed in 2006, so the chances of anyone being misled are small. Even if someone was to believe that this was designed recently though, the conclusion is still the same. If the Playstation 2 game was still being sold alongside modern titles at £60, then sure, comparisons would be drawn, and those would be reasonable. This is fairly basic stuff - I don't quite understand the confusion? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@keithh20]

I've got one of Bachmann's 9Fs fitted with a Zimo sound decoder and smoke unit. It runs very smoothly and pulls 50 odd of my wagons without problem even over complicated point work. I think you have a rouge there, but as I've never run it on DC or 2nd radius curves I can't comment on that. Always enjoy your reviews.

[@SamsTrains]

Very interesting - might be worth fitting mine with a decoder... I'd be surprised to see mine run properly on 2nd radius though! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@novakingood3788]

Or possibly a rogue...😉

[@davidmolin8944]

Could we see this in one of your experiments as the test subject because it deserves It big time

[@SamsTrains]

It sure does deserve it, lol! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SteamingThroughYorkshire]

I've got two Bachmann 9fs. One I've had for 11 years. No faults at all. Same with my other I've only had two years. Once again Sam's vendetta against Bachmann strikes again.

[@Forevagrey]

Yet again attacking a model that's 15 years old because it's the best he can do

[@SteamingThroughYorkshire]

@@Forevagrey oh definitely.

[@lucitonstjames3925]

Without Bachmanns arrival back in the early 1990’s Hornby & Lima where quite content turning the same gear out. In Hornbys case they had no money / desire to make better models & Lima had nailed their colours to the collecting - ltd edition mast. The letters to Hornby / Lima , the model press trying to get them to change all in vain, told that modellers would not pay £75 for locos with can motors & lights , let alone freight wagons at £17.50-£21.95 , many a letter back from Hornby / Lima stating that I was wrong & that demand wasn’t there. Then Bachmann came along , listened to what we where saying & suddenly Hornby & Lima where caught cold & having to play catch up. The Bachmann 9f is a established model & so it seems strange to review a well regarded model & basically diss it knowing that Hornby are about to issue a new tool model, certainly raises questions.Bachmanns ability to make the models to the standards modellers wanted certainly put a few noses out of joint at Margate & Hemel Hempstead. Hornby have a arrogance that I find sickly , this god given right that because they have the ‘name’ ‘heritage’ that they really think they are some kind of premier brand / & god forbid anybody else stepping on their toes & make models of things they consider theirs & theirs only.The 9f has been a staple of the Hornby range for donkeys years & as Cavalex / Rails of Sheffield have seen , Kholer is not averse to spitting his dummy out of his pram. Rapido trains doing a good job in turning the tables on him though😀

[@wellingtonnorthjunction3911]

Your not wrong I had one and sold it for a Dcc one it was an old one ran fine nothing wrong with it one of the smoothest models I ever had

[@madmark19611961]

Of all the great reviews you have done I have never had cause to doubt your opinions, but your 9f is some how not a good representation of how I see my collection of the 3 I own. I agree on the lack of wheel bearings (easy fix) but your model looks like it came from the factory reject box! That noise alone tells me that is nothing like the other 99% of 9F's out there and should have been replaced before a review was to take place. Even the flashing on your pipe work is not evidence on my 3 9f's I own and neither is the cab base out of line with the running plates like your model seems to have. I actually like the hollow tender as I was able to take advantage of the space to fit large super bass box speakers in my 9f's and had no problems fitting ESU sound decoders in the loco. Sometimes us modelers prefer a solid base of a loco to work with to bring up to super detail to prototype levels and the Bachmann model does offer that possibility unlike the Hornby model that I would never attempt to work on.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - yes I have had others tell me that their 9Fs run well - so maybe mine's faulty! Not much I can do about that - it has a poor mechanism, and runs badly.. there's no other reasonable conclusion to draw. The speaker idea is a good one - nice work! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@azuma7628]

Did you watch The Unlucky Tug's video on the Flying Scotsman USA tour?

[@lukeslocomotives]

I did and it was amazing

[@Vinyl_guy]

i did

[@Doctor_Cookies1]

Yes

[@SamsTrains]

I haven't yet - should I?! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Vinyl_guy]

@@SamsTrains you could recreate the train and consist from that event

[@4665paul]

Bought both my 9F's 92006 & 92116 from Hattons for £86.00p each 2008 & 2010, both are good runners and I have never had a problem with them, suggest with the boiler join, flash on pipework and ill fitting cab is down to worn tooling in China as I have had my two under the magnifying glass and no faults there. Good luck in getting yours running properly.

[@azuma7628]

Hi Sam. 🤗

[@SamsTrains]

Hello!! :D

[@ironcityrailfan8467]

Murdoch is broken

[@SamsTrains]

haha not broken... just badly made! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@clipperrail8988]

I've got the Evening Star version of this and it runs really well, although it does slow a little on Rad 2 curves.

[@OlivierGabin]

Good afternoon, it's me once again. I have just finished some testing with my own 9F, and I have been able to reproduce your problem with your item, but not to the extent of what you are seeing on your layout. Mine runs on second radius curves at a minimum of 30% throttle, both direction. At this setting, I can clearly see a significant slowing down on curves, visual estimation of half the running speed lost on curves. Below 30%, my engine stalls on curves, not useable. I'm making a test at 40 % throttle, which gave me a scale speed of 65 km/h, or 41 mph. It's far above the speed requirement for an unfitted freight (25 mph/40 km/h) and the engine clearly struggles on curves , but the slowing down is less noticeable, I estimates it at 15 % maximum. Half-throttle gives a smoother running, with no noticeable slowiing down on curves, but you have a scale speed of nearly 60 mph/97km/h. It's still useable for express fitted freight but for ordinary fitted, it's 15 mph/24 km/h too fast. I have to precise that I had not put any wagons in tow. And now, my engine stalls randomly on curves after a one-hour test, yipee... Seems the motor cut off on load when heated. Well... Even if you have one that looks useable, you will get problems with her... It changes nothing to your test, except confirming that your findings are factuals.

[@OlivierGabin]

Just one little thing I have forgot : I use this : www . entwinesolutions . co . uk / scalespeed / to measure the speed of my engines and trains. Courtesy from Charlie Bishop of Chadwick Moel Railways.

[@OlivierGabin]

One last precision, to get the speed of my trains, I use the scalespeed metering page from entwinesolutions. Courtesy from Charlie Bishop of Chadwick Model Railways.

[@azuma7628]

Bachmann 9F: Worst Mechanism Of The Year. Martinmartmartinson Dapol Mogul: Hold my non-existent buffer.

[@azuma7628]

I know I am bad with this kind of jokes should leave this to you guys really...

[@lukeslocomotives]

Lol

[@SamsTrains]

haha yep - barring Mr Martinson's mechanism of course... I mean... cough... that was amazing though?!? Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@OlivierGabin]

Hem, I've missed something, what did he find wrong with his Mogul, this one ? (martinmartinmartinmartin of course)

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

Sam, I believe you mistook this paper weight for an operational locomotive. Bear up there, man.

[@philiprodney2164]

A well informative Vidio on this loco, but one question comes to mind ,who in there right mind runs a model railway on the floor and on carpet , every bit of loose fluff is going to be attractive to the loco and then need constant cleaning.

[@davidstrains4910]

Good review Sam I wouldn’t say it’s the worst personally I’m sure we have seen a lot worse than this before.

[@SamsTrains]

Not the worst ever - but I do think this is the worst I've seen so far this year ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@SuttonOnSea-in-00]

The 9f did have flangeless centre axles. The funniest thing though has to be watching this review with the auto generated subtitles on. So far you've allegedly stated this 9f was made by Pacman and Batman and it's different to the other one made by Homie, Homebeat and Hornbait.

[@Poliss95]

HaHaHaHa.

[@Olivers-trains]

Hello Sam. Nice video. I haven't commented in a while. The performance of the 9f was terrible. Congratulations on getting 100k subscribers, are/did you getting/get a 100k subscriber plaque.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Oliver - yeah it sure was! Yep - it's been confirmed, should be with me in a few weeks, and I'll do a video on it! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Olivers-trains]

@@SamsTrains I hope it comes perfect. You don't want any damage to it.

[@callumb1049]

I think You got a dodge one to be honest mine is nowhere near that bad on tight curves or anything else close to what yours is send it back and try another one you will be surprised

[@lorrainedimmock4096]

Used to run mine all day, tight, 14 coaches sharp curves and all, no overheating, just stunned at this review..

[@callumb1049]

@@lorrainedimmock4096 mine is definitely an amazing model apart from its derailing tender the one in the review is definitely not right

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot for sharing - loads of people have said theirs run well, so I'm starting to think mine may have been faulty. Given how shoddy the mechanism is, I can't say I'm surprised though!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Daniellllllllllllllllllll]

Brings back the good memories from last year’s visit to the nymr

[@ianmulcrone3090]

Great railway, im a shareholder!

[@SamsTrains]

Ahh fantastic - hope it was a good time! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@Daniellllllllllllllllllll]

It is a lovely railway

[@Daniellllllllllllllllllll]

Sam if you can get there this summer. Nothing beats going to Whitby on a steam train and having lovely fish and chips. Get nice pictures of trains in the station 🚉

[@gc7820]

I get the impression bachmann are resting on laurels particularly with 10-20 year old locos that blew everything away when they launched but now are on sale for prices as high as brand new truly awesome new stuff like the beautiful 94xx for example, despite not having had the small detail updates and mechanism updates to justify it. I’ve just bought new 57xx & 8750 panniers albeit thankfully not at full RRP but still at the £100 mark. These were at the £50-60 mark about 10 years ago and haven’t changed effectively still being the 1980s mainline body which was tarted up around 20 years ago with separate fitted handrails - still no lamp irons, no handrail above the mid running board step (lots of flash around that step on both models BTW) no representation of the rodding that runs along the running board, no inside motion so obvious on the new bachmann 94xx and rapido 16xx so when one puts them alongside these models they really are shown up a bit like how putting the hornby 2721 pannier next to one of these shows it up. I really don’t understand why bachmann are fiddling with a new class 20 when there are more obvious targets from the same era, like their 57/8750 panniers in more dire need of replacement.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

Very interesting. When Hornby announced their new 9F earlier this year there were a lot of people confused as to why they would bother when Bachman’s model was still considered pretty good. Having seen this though, I reckon Hornby have got a good shot at producing a far more superior loco as long as they don’t make the same mistakes! Great video Sam 👍

[@robstrains8711]

This reveiw does not in anyway represent the Bachmann 9f Sam has received a faulty seconds loco I have several of these and they all run perfectly and the pulling power is awesome. Now because of one review an awesome loco is going to be seen as a lemon when it is not.

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

@@robstrains8711 I mean, if your ones run well that's great but the loco has other shortcomings yet still quite a high price tag. But my point was more that I'd heard people wondering why Hornby were bothering to do a new 9F when Bachmann had already made the definitive model. Having now seen the Bachmann model in a bit more detail it's my personal opinion that there are several things that could be improved upon, so I now understand why Hornby have decided to have a go.

[@cleo6686]

@@robstrains8711 Agree. Not sure what is going on with Sam's 9F. Suspect contact problem.

[@cleo6686]

@@ThatModelRailwayGuy I wouldn't say that the Botchman is the definitive model by a long ways. Hopefully Hornby will use an uodated version of their 9F Crosti/Railroad drive

[@ThatModelRailwayGuy]

@@cleo6686 Apologies, I don't think I explained myself properly - I meant that other people had said the Bachmann model was so good that Hornby shouldn't bother. Hornby recently released the CADs for their 9F though and the amount of detail looks superb... but obviously that doesn't give us any indication on how well it will run. 😂

[@Ben-Likes-Trains]

I think that heljan made the chassis and that Bachman made the rest-Ben

[@chlebasmaslem591]

I love how she looks. That' s the nicest locomotive i' ve had seen

[@chlebasmaslem591]

but the mechanism is terrible

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah I know - they're pretty cool looking aren't they?? :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@matthewpalmer2049]

This doesn't seem like a brand new model, looks more like 10 years old. Back when all model railway companies didn't use brass bearings, none of my Hornby or Bachmann models that are older than 5 years have them.

[@SamsTrains]

It is brand new! And to my knowledge, all of the Bachmann 9Fs have this mechanism! That is unusual - Hornby have been fitting bearings as standard for around 20 years now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@matthewpalmer2049]

@@SamsTrains From my experience, my Hornby model only date back to 2005. And any of my models are 2018 - present are fitted with turned bearings. As my Bachmann models, dated back to 2009 from 2015 - present have turned metal bearings. I don't know how accurate this is, as the only model before 2015 that has turned bearings are a Hornby County made in 2010, but they were shocking! So bad I sold the model for £15 2 years ago after what was 8 years of poor, quality and running. That's my experience with Hornby and Bachmann mechanisms, and to be quite frankly honest, Bachmann has always had the upper hand, usually my Hornby models always have a broken item in the box i have to glue back on, such as handrails, and most recent, the hornby J36, the smokebox dart and a handrail had broken of and had to re-glue on.

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Oddly, 'Britain's Model Trains 2020' gave this model an overall score of 92% . The same publication for 2021 doesn't use the same scoring system but gives it 46/50 - including 10/10 for performance! This model first appeared in 2005/2006 so it's 15 years old. Despite having only a 3-pole motor, no bearings and no tender pickups, my example performs beautifully (on DCC), it crawls well and pulls very long trains up steep slopes. I think your's is a dud and should go back to TMC!

[@mikeking2539]

I have two of them and have no ‘real’ issues with either of them. They run perfectly well despite their age, and ok perhaps a upgraded chassis with bronze bearings and a 5 pole motor would improve things. But by how much and retooling costs money and that would be passed onto us the consumers/customers.

[@dwaynejohnson4892]

Model locos should have at least, metal bearings, 5 pole motors, and flywheels. Without them they are not considered models. Britain’s model trains obviously have Bachmann in their pocket and to be able to give a score of 10/10 for performance makes me complete distrust them. Real locomotives have metal bearings. All moving parts that spin should have bearings. I’ve had a bachmann 9f and it performed the same as this one. Never again will I buy a bachmann steam loco.

[@jamesgilbart2672]

@@dwaynejohnson4892 I totally agree that these locos should come with bearings, flywheels and a 5-pole motor (and tender pick-ups) as standard - especially given the ridiculous prices that Bachmann are now charging. I was expressing surprise that my example performs well, as does my Bachmann Hall class, in spite of all the shortcomings. Yes, the annual Britain's Model Trains publication does score some locos unexpectedly high but I don't know who's pocket they're in!

[@stephenwilliamson4556]

That loco was pretty disappointing. If I’d have saved up my hard earned, and ended up with that, I’d be very upset. Especially if I didn’t have the tools/ experience needed to be able to diagnose and rectify the issue. When I was 14, the nearest train shop was over an hours drive away, (and I obviously didn’t have a licence or a car at that point), postage costs to send it back would have been about two weeks of pocket money, and I’d usually only get up there every 6 months, so a lot of the time, if I did end up with a dud, I basically had to swallow it and move on, because returning it was just not worth the effort. I’ll be curious to see if you can get it working properly though, and will be following along with interest. Just please don’t destroy it. I completely understand your frustration, but it just kills me a little inside when I see people do it.

[@Poliss95]

Even then they had to pay for the postage or travel expenses if the goods you bought were faulty. I know because I got my train fare back. :-)

[@stephenwilliamson4556]

@@Poliss95 This is going back to the early to mid 2000’s. It was the only train shop within 100km of our house at the time, and has long since closed its doors. Another big problem as well was the fact that models tended to be “one manufacturer” (unless you were loaded and could afford the ultra expensive brass models). This meant if your model didn’t work, and they were sold out, you didn’t get another one.

[@danshobbies13]

I’ve had bad luck with Bachmann this year. 3 out of 4 diesel locomotives had to go get warranty repairs. 2 right out of the box, and 1 had the motor burn out within a month.

[@michaelschultz5127]

They always do it cheapest way. Maybe you can find a motor you could put it in the tender.

[@SamsTrains]

They sure do - haha good idea! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@britanniaolivercromwell5006]

Thanks for reviewing this because I was thinking of getting one but never mind guess I’m waiting for Hornby a retooled version

[@SamsTrains]

Oh totally - I'd definitely wait and see what Hornby's retooled version is like... and even if it's no good, I'd still recommend the Railroad ones over this! xD Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@jeffreymcneal1920]

Run, don't walk, away from this disaster. Watch out for Hornby, they have put some real stink bombs into the market. I own one.

[@cleo6686]

@@jeffreymcneal1920 A2/2 is an utter joke. Same with large Prairie. Suspect the Hush Hush etc will be junkers as well...and priced astronomically. Hornby mag will gush of course..

[@jbhtrams]

That one is a duff one. The Bachmann ones are better most of the time! Mine are all original and running well!!!

[@joelang6126]

Square bearings?? Effing hell!

[@tgeiii3554]

Any day that Sam uploads is going to be a good day

[@SamsTrains]

Awhh thank you! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@spadiuA321]

very very true

[@ZLDSmogless]

Definitely, And he's uploading a lot more often recently

[@ianmulcrone3090]

Absolutely

[@jimmyduncan7650]

Well for us viewers it is, not necessarily for Sam. We appreciate him more than he knows.

[@michaelschultz5127]

Maybe it should be minus 100 quid mate.

[@ecpcharles]

Id remove the worm gear/motor and push the engine along with your hands and see if the wheels lock up. If so there's a good chance there a quartering issue/bind in the mechanism...which your loco shows symptoms of. I can see the loco locks up at the same wheel rotation during certain shots.

[@SamsTrains]

That's a good thought - but when crawling, the wheels don't appear to lock up... it's a very strange one! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@ecpcharles]

@@SamsTrains for example you can see at 29:00 the loco always stalls at the same point in the wheel rotation.

[@michaelschultz5127]

Looks nice BUT it's rubbish 🗑😕

[@derrickpensom5429]

Might be worth telling TMC of your findings. You might get a refund

[@SamsTrains]

Nah, I'm not really interested in returning it - it was fit for my purpose (video)! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@harrythegamingboi7974]

This is exactly the same as my Bachman 9F black prince

[@SamsTrains]

Yeah, it will be the same model! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@LleshGordon2122]

These aes they look nice one other same black hornby big engine.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks Llesh - yes they do! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@davidantoniocamposbarros7528]

9F? Worst Mechanism? Incompatible!

[@SamsTrains]

haha! ;D

[@tonyrich7011]

Sam, obviously you haven’t received any free bee’s from Bachman. I have six of these and they’re flawless. In fact I had to use one for the Christmas tree set after a Hornby Railroad, new three years ago failed after 20 hours use. And I have six Hornby Railroad versions as I like the 9F. Keep the reviews coming and if you have issues of a warranty type explore that option first before slagging a manufacturer. It becomes like Australian car Facebook sites where it’s acceptable to slag a manufacturer first rather than exploring consumer warranty issues. Pretty sure UK consumer Legislation is similar to ours…

[@rossnation8092]

Finally the bachmann 9F. My favourite class of locomotive. These may not have the best mechanisms but they’re e tough though, good for 90 wagons unassisted probably more but I ran out of room on the club layout. I put my faith in these as I have 4 with a retooled Hornby one on pre-order to see how it compares. So I’m yet to be convinced by Hornbys offerings. I’ll have to get a crosti boilered one. To get a taster. Still waiting for a RTR Tyne dock 9F for the KR models Consett Iron Ore wagons I’ve got on order. Anyways good video mate and keep up the good work. Ross.

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks a lot Ross - yeah that's right - and the pulling power certainly isn't bad at all! That sounds great - wondering how those will turn out now! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@BobBishopDiagonal]

My two Bachmann 9Fs from 2007 are superb, beautiful runners, great to view with close fitting tenders, trundling along with a long rake of wagons. Is it the case that this a new version whose mechanism is not as good as the original or is it possible yours simply does not like the tight radius "chicane" on your line?

[@althafrafianto]

i thought about this too. the corners he uses have a very tight radius

[@Nomercy-e9s]

I have one very similar, if not the same. (Bachman branchline BR 9F No 92189, non sound). And runs very well. Teething problems to begin with but overall my best running model, although I am only new so yeah.

[@paulwilson3083]

Another video that shows the facts that forms your opinions, I seriously think this loco should be sent back to bachman for them to give you a full report on its problems as many people in your comments have good ones, but however good some people find them there is no excuse for lack of axle bearings on a premium model and the worst thing of all is that it's still available to buy new, bachman should use you to test all there products before realeasing them to the unsuspecting public to avoid further embarrasment because their testers and technical design team need sacking if this model is anything to go by, thank you for your see it as it is video Sam.

[@shahidhassatvmnthe739]

Sam`sTrains im ur big fan really i live in karachi pakistan my hobby is model train i have ho scale bachmann thunder chife hornby kato tyco dc and dcc ; i love u my sweet bro

[@SamsTrains]

Thanks so much Shahid - glad to know you!! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@shahidhassatvmnthe739]

@@SamsTrains thanks my bro go a head

[@JayseHeiney2000]

hey Sam, did you know that Murdoch from Thomas is Based off the 9F? heh, i did some research on the 9F, turns out its the 4th or 5th most powerful Steam Engine in the World, the MOST Powerful Steam Engine On Record in the world, just so happens to be the Allegheny Locomotive... i know, crazy huh? -Jayse

[@highspeedboom]

I don’t have much faith in Bachmann but I noticed you were running the Hornby engines a tad faster setting than the Bachmann , and the Bachmann would have done much better at the same speed as the other engines were set to.

[@SuperJ333]

Detail four-an-a-half? Performance two-and-a-half out of 5? Quality 3? Value 3 when it's £170 rrp? Overall score 6.3 out of 10? You can't be serious - this is total roadkill! How bad would something have to be to get a poor score?

[@SuperJ333]

So, and I quote, "an absolute load of garbage - do not buy the Bachmann 9F" yet it gets 6 out of 10, half marks for performance when it doesn't even run properly, and 3 stars for value when it costs £170 which is daylight robbery! What would it have to do to get low marks - blow up and set the loft on fire?

[@upwellonwards7373]

Very cool you got the class leader but in defense to the 2 bachmann 9F locos i have i have zero issues with their performance as i have done a video on a single 9F's strength pulling 16 heavy coaches on a heavily inclined layout is good plus it's not as bad as hornby having the 4F and 2P in the railways range when they clearly belong in railroad range

[@brooklynroad8581]

no propblems . mines got sound and fire box flicker. can derail, but slow speed is fine. you got a duff one

[@cerneysmallengines]

Ive had problems with double gearing on model trains in the past, where it almost seems like the gears are fighting each other, of course its ridiculous that BACHMANN would put a problematic mechanism in a locomotive like this, but maybe just pulling a gear out and having a single driven axle will improve running.

[@sullivanrachael]

Considering friction from the bearings seems to be the downfall of the Bachmann 9F; next time you service it apply a PTFE / Teflon based lubricant. Superior lubrication might help.

[@RichardKuivila1947]

Keep them axles lubed. Hasn't Bachmann informed you ? Small, flat contact point are more wear but are lower friction, if lubed, than sleeve bearings. (and cheeper ! Also, higher profit at market price point).

[@ivovanzon164]

For a little blasphemy... Why didn't they use the same design as on the Lilliput Drg class 45 (Same wheel diameter and longer) that will work on a first radius curve. And a 2-10-0 is not a rare wheel arrangement, Bachmann has made enough Decapods to be able to design a better quality mechanism

[@PHsRailwayVideos]

'Worst mechanism of the year.' Wait till you've seen the Airfix Royal Scot's! Oh wait, you aren't servicing it this year, guess you'll have to wait. In all seriousness though, if you hate the Royal Scot so much, send it to Olivia's Trains. She'll slap a £450 price tag on it!

[@phantom66kempo]

I have a Bachmann 9f and mine runs fine and is a smooth runner. Also Bachmann are planning to release 2 new 9Fs just still no release date.

[@SamsTrains]

Great to hear yours is better - I'm amazed that any of these run well given what's inside! I'd be surprised if we saw any more 9Fs from Bachmann! Thanks for watching, Sam :)

[@phantom66kempo]

@@SamsTrains Well I found this on Bachmann's website www.bachmann.co.uk/product/category/152/br-standard-9f-with-br1f-tender-92212-br-black-%28late-crest%29/32-859a

[@SodorBrony]

Even Bachmann’s SDJR 7F, which came from the same era as their 9F, performed better than this.

[@eastpavilion-er6081]

This kind of mechanism is typical for Bachmann between 2005 and 2010. My LNER K3 has 3 pole motor, socket in loco body, no tender pickup and no proper bearing. It runs fine at the moment, but due to its lack of pickups (equivalent to 0-6-0), its running performance can be inconsistant over curves and points. That model only cost me £70, which is much more reasonable for this kind of performance. I am currently looking for a LNER V2 and the older DCC ready Bachmann V2 is going on ebay for as low as £120, but it suffers from the same problem as my K3. I will wait for the new tooled model. Edit: both K3 and V2 doesn't have flywheel due to their small sizes, making the mechanism even worse.

[@fyfieldjunction]

Wow, that’s garbage. Fair detail but definitely a worthless mechanism. I’ve seen much cheaper and worse looking mechanisms run much better than that. Great vid 👍

[@CrystalLakeRailway]

Not a great runner, but it looks nice.

[@SamsTrains]

Sure, it looks decent enough! Thanks for watching, Sam :)