Worst MMO Ever? - Fiesta Online

[@UltimateHalG]

I used to play this everyday after school. I was in an active guild with friendly players and loved playing online with them. It was great back then and the old game startup theme is still one of my favorite game themes ever. Eventually, though, players started leaving, my guild fell apart and I eventually left, too. I went back to Fiesta years later for nostalgia’s sake, but it was basically dead and the events and active player base I used to love were nonexistent. The starting theme wasn’t even the same. It was pretty clear that there was no reason to return, anymore. But before I left, I did one thing. In my early lvl 15 days, the guild leader was an awesome, more experienced player and showed me the perfect path to reach the final area of the game without dying or being spotted by mobs. I wanted to see if could still remember it, so I made a brand new lvl 1 character and made the run. I remembered it perfectly and made it all the way to the final area, then said goodbye to the game and logged off for good.

[@AirisuSG]

I also wondered why did the beautiful start up theme vanished? This game really made my early teen years better! I don’t mind an old game nowadays, but I am sad that it didn’t get better with updates and the opposite happened instead.

[@butterandt0ast]

The game has level locked zones so how did that work ?

[@ritwik1223]

@@butterandt0ast imagination

[@UltimateHalG]

@@butterandt0ast Idk how it is now, because I haven’t played in a minute, but I DID restart with a new character and I DID make it to the final area. If you wanna say that I first had to complete tutorial and get tutorial lvls then yes, I did do that but I sure as heck had NOT hit lvl 10 before I made it there. That is something I can look back on fondly say I learned to do from a really awesome person.

[@UltimateHalG]

@@ritwik1223 I guess dreams come true, then?

[@Ithirahad]

Gamigo doesn't "make" games, they publish games, or buy empty shells of games and milk them without meaningful updates until they've finally wilted and died. E.g. when Trion capsized, they scooped up publishing rights for XLGames's ArcheAge in the west. They also scooped up Trion's own biggest IP, RIFT, along with that Defiance game and a whole lot of other random games whose original publishers or developers either don't exist or don't care enough to hold onto the games in question. With the halfway exception of Archeage which is still being actively developed by XLGames, Gamigo is essentially where games go to die.

[@lordinquisitorsec7532]

Hey, the LJN of MMOs. I was wondering

[@OverAchi3ver]

Ironic enough when news of gamigo acquiring fiesta came out people were saying out spark didn’t care about the came anymore and this and that, praising gamigo for buying fiesta etc etc. lmao where those people at now

[@TujaSan]

yeah the thing is Trion was already doing the milking and toning down on updates

[@Ithirahad]

@@TujaSan Hence "buy empty shells". RIFT was already verging on dying when Gamigo acquired it, just like pretty much everything but ArcheAge (which was/is in dire straits, but XL are still actively working on it).

[@CarlGamingLP]

Is he really shittalking this Game ? He might not be Smart enough to understand that this game is 12 years old and people Started this Game when they were arround 10-16 years old....people who started this game back in the days when they were young love this game And the criticism about the website and launcher and so on...WTF ? BS Video !

[@stephk1656]

Imagine playing this game in 2010, quitting..And playing again 11 years later just to see the same problems..Yeah thats fiesta online for you!

[@Dragon-Believer]

I can't imagine either of those things.

[@toukofukawa1166]

Yep here we are

[@Rebella1337]

that's world of warcraft :C

[@uiopuiop3472]

@@toukofukawa1166 balls playa

[@uiopuiop3472]

@@Rebella1337 the world of a ball playa

[@geofff.3343]

We learned today that Josh is a mean drunk, not in a physical way, but in a non-filtered-Brit way, and I'm here for it.

[@TheTGOAC]

He sounds like a posh version of manykudos

[@SethJV]

(He wasn't really drunk.)

[@jonathancowley9697]

He said he played drunk. The voice Iver was recorded afterwards.

[@BierBart12]

I also turn into a passionate critic when drunk Or into someone who does nothing but google and show people things, decided by brain lottery

[@CryBlueofZ]

it's his mouth

[@Ryan50Ryan]

Ah yes, the classic archer skill "aimed shot". As opposed to un-aimed shot where you just miss.

[@natpagle2132]

underrated comment, i laughed out loud in my bed

[@magnusm4]

The other option being Spray And Pray.

[@Magariz1283]

Who even aims man? I just shoot wildly while blindfolded.

[@chriwehl7173]

I mean... You can hipfire a bow. Doesnt get less aimed than that

[@generationzero787]

@Minkukel White I was thinking "Snipe"

[@Micr0chasm]

I’ve been watching this series from newest to oldest, and I wanted to point out a similarity that I’ve noticed. In the comment section of almost every video, there is someone saying that the game used to be awesome at launch, but either the developer got greedy and made bad decisions, or more often, the game was sold to a publisher that was greedy and made poor decisions.

[@smileychess]

/cough blizzard

[@Remurin]

@@smileychess aged well

[@smoothsnailing2161]

The second one is more like it. It was bought in so hard just for it to be milked, until its dried out.

[@EpicUltraKingSmizzy]

MMOs are a time-limited experience. Truly, Classic Runescape, Classic Wow, Tera at Launch, Vindictus at Launch. Those games are each multitudes better than their current versions. Its insane how developers and studios are okay with annihilating their games over time for perceived benefits and quick cash grabs.

[@xBox360BENUTZER]

@@EpicUltraKingSmizzy Not just that but they naturally get worse when the players get to endgame. The early stages are left unpopulated, you lose the community aspect, the wonder of a new world and everyone figuring out together what to do.

[@cosmicpurp]

ahhhh 13 year old me playing this on my potato HP laptop because its one of the few games it could run without turning into a nuclear powerplant 🤣🤣

[@Makgeulli]

Haha same with me I had a potato HP Laptop too when I was 13, altho I didnt play this game on it

[@sailor3047]

this game used to be my shit but yeah it aged incredibly poorly and was even shit back then lmao

[@Miss_Tsukiko]

ooof same, i remember downloading it again 2 years ago and just remembered thinking "how did i even like this game? O.o"

[@coolchrisable]

@@Miss_Tsukiko i jsut reisntalled it to play alittle bit of it i rembered i loved the music but now i made friends who are also old heads like me now i feel obligated to stay

[@Miss_Tsukiko]

@@coolchrisable I loved the dungeons though, was probably my favorite part

[@LelinaOphelia]

You were like 15 years too late to explore this MMO. It was great once. I didn't recognize half of what you showed which just goes to show how much it has changed for the worse. Man, I remember letting my computer run because I opened my shop in the square while I went to bed. It was the best way to make money because there were always people online in other time zones who couldn't get the things they needed in the middle of the night. I remember running in so many locations I was heavily underleveled because there were no boundaries. I remember mounts and all the different kind of mushroom houses. I remember the group quests, you could even enter them solo just to find out that you die with no help. It was so much fun and then they went on ruining it. I never was a big MMO fan, I always had issues with games overflowing my screen with messages and overlays. Fiesta, at the beginning, had little to no pop ups and just let you explore everything by yourself, it was such a different kind of experience.

[@LelinaOphelia]

@MichaelDustterFor people who just got into MMOs at the time and had no money to spare for things like WoW, believe me Fiesta was great. But I guess your opinion is above everyone else's experiences

[@pauloravena1298]

​@MichaelDustteri disagree i played this gane back in 2008-2010 ut was one of yhe best mmo rpg games back then.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

​@@LelinaOpheliabasically me lol Never quite stopped playing mmorpgs then I played wow till bfa quit entirely 2 years of gw2 and currently FFXIV is my home But yeah couldn't afford the subscriptions and thus I played allot of these free to play games

[@kuro9410_ilust]

there were far better mmos for free even back in the day you all just chose a crap one@@Unapologeticweeb

[@reverieofmusic436]

@@LelinaOphelia Gotta get that snide, condescending remark in, even against someone who disagreed with you without personal attacks. Maybe refrain from posting your opinion on the internet if you can't deal with people saying that you're wrong.

[@SmilePecoSmile]

I used to play a LOT of Fiesta, back in the day. Met some of my closest friends at the time through it. Had good times and bad and even went through the passing of a friend and guild member. Fiesta will always be one of the most important MMOs in my personal history of gaming. It was like a conduit for my development as a teenager and it was a garbage P2W game the entire time we were on that ride. Even then, the music always fills me with a somber nostalgia. I return to it from time to time just to look at the places we used to frequent. In a way, I miss those times. I miss the people. I don't know where I was going with this but Fiesta will always have a special place in my heart.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Thank you for sharing that. Often we don't miss the games, we miss the feeling we used to have while playing those games. Bad things can be enjoyable with friends, and its the memories we miss, the friends.

[@OverAchi3ver]

I completely agree with you. The music from elderine brings a rush of memories

[@chriss539209]

tbf this game is real old it was outspark fiesta and I liked it back then

[@Nocare89]

Right there with you on this one

[@coolz123123]

I can 100% relate

[@everwake2689]

I love how through 8 hours of play, your chat box basically has one solitary interaction.

[@blackroberts6290]

quarantine feels

[@tylerfarless1139]

He played the dead server so he has more to put in the video

[@Kitsuneepic]

Also chat is basically town-based aside from the server-wide shouting stuff, but i see a lot of those and i still play Fiesta. The lower levels are ALL gonna be boring and slow because not a ton of new people come in, its all vets by now. But the game DID go downhill after Gamigo acquired it

[@_Encie]

@@Kitsuneepic why are you playing this game?

[@mver191]

To be fair, that is how it is while levelling in WoW too. Most areas are dead.

[@TheTobiasKun]

Gamigo is the graveyard of MMOs, u don't just go the to browse ur favorite game, u go there for nostalgia and then leave 10 mins after playing.

[@kiara6237]

''graveyard of mmos'' you're SO right! Eden Eternal and Twin Saga (from aeria games that is under gamigo now) closed their servers literally last week lol.

[@JustGio1111]

@@kiara6237 Last Chaos too. That game was..really something a while ago...

[@rayjaneosealana8585]

@@kiara6237 Oh god that really hurt my soul to know that. I miss EE

[@AnimeArchaeologist]

Subagames too. See what those pricks did to Luna Online!

[@nauticuh]

I think the only one that has some semblance of being an actual game is Aura Kingdom, but it still has so many issues that I think it's gonna die soon

[@jacksonkrall9042]

I know this video is over a year old, but thank you for pointing out and making me aware of xigncode. I had played Black Desert Online a bit a few years ago and was unaware that xigncode had been included along with and was still hanging around long after I had uninstalled BDO. Thanks again!

[@TheTGOAC]

Do you remember the file path it was on your computer? I think I might have it still after trying black desert online as well lol

[@ChristianGonzalez-qu6fs]

Great, not only did I not enjoy that game, forget to refund it, but now this.

[@eveoftartarus2602]

I remember wanting to try this game as a kid. It made my PC blue screen. My computer shot itself to save me.

[@Broockle]

🤣

[@xaviermm5506]

Lmao

[@007Hutchings]

Stolen comment

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

F for our fallen brother. Your computer sacrificed itself.

[@phutureproof]

That just means youve got a wank pc, and, ive never played this game

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

29:00 can I just say I love how "angry wolf" and "hungry wolf" arn't actually attacking you? Like, they're just in bad moods, they're not actually evil or anything. Just letting you pass by, bygones be bygones.

[@OBOJ]

yeah they changed the aggro of the mobs on the lower level maps... angry wolf used to attack you... shows how they dumbed it down so much....plenty of other mobs used to too but now dont.. glad i quit that game long ago... made some great frineds from it as the community back then was great.. but now just an empty shell of a game... KQ used to be great fun as well... RIP the fiesta of old.... you will be missed...

[@MissxLariz]

@@OBOJ I know... made some good friends too :( Old times good memories. Honestly if the game wasnt p2w it was alright but this is just a bad joke.

[@dww34]

Angry wolf should be renamed to Geriatric wolf

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

It's the Metin2 definition of hungry.

[@matthewshimabuku]

what's worse is at the end of the video, there is an enemy called boar that shares that same model.

[@RobbieForReal]

I grew up on this game. I started pretty much on launch day. The game as it is now is not even close to how good it was back in the day. Outspark was super cool and had a much more integrated experience in their community despite some weeiiird situations with GM's. Outspark was the original developers of this game and it was released early-mid September 2007. I started playing 3-4 days after it came out and I played almost religiously for about 3-4 years. This game is drastically different then when it was back in the day. As soon as GamiGo took this game over, it went to straight shit. The horrible tutorial? That's GamiGo. The weird resolution bugs you faced at the beginning? That's GamiGo. The weird movement shenanigans you faced? That's GamiGo. Almost every issue you found was GamiGo. @ 7:55 - The reason those were different, is the original blacksmith looked like the one in the picture, the one in the game was made by GamiGo @ 10:40 - That's not how quests used to work under Outspark, you did have to go back to where-ever you had to turn in a quest. Unfortunately GamiGo changed that too. @ 14:45 - Those pop-ups were never in the original, but those menus may have existed in some way before. I don't quite remember. @ 17:10 - The music was something I remember being reaaaal annoying and turning it off all-together so I understand greatly there. @ 17:50 - I don't remember these zones having this type of music despite the note above. I turned off music way later in my time playing but it certainly wasn't like that. @ 19:20 - That level of enchantment was veeerrrry much not in the original. Yes, the original process was kinda ass and was a random roulette if your equipment would get a good enchantment or not. @ 21:00 - Even those enemies are not original lol. There was at least generic sounds on all enemies before. @ 23:30 - Those crabs used to look vastly different. Not sure why they were ever changed? also, yeaaaah. The floating items were always like that. @ 24:20 - LMAO. YEAH. That mount didn't look like that back in the day, but it was always kinda weird. @ 25:10 - Another weird essence brought by GamiGo. @ 26:40 - I noticed in the messages in the lower right, it'll say like "Obtained 8Silver500Copper of money", holy shit. It NEVER looked like that before. I'm beginning to wonder if GamiGo had some weird localization issues and needed or wanted to rewrite a bunch of shit. @ 27:55 - NOW THAT IS A SONG I RECOGNIZE. Yeah, it's pretty awful. @ 28:17 - The trading card stuff is new to the game as of GamiGo. If that system actually works well, then they did literally only 1 thing right. @ 31:30 - Another song not there originally. @ 32:10 - That attendance check is new for sure. @ 32:40 - This was one system that always frustrated me as this has always been in the game. I had a really hard time leveling up, and as a kid, I never really made friends to help me through content or leveling. So I ended up being stuck for a long time. @ 34:20 - I never saw that event. I can only imagine this is a GamiGo thing. @ 35:50 - YESSSSS. Outspark did this to some degree and even whoever bought them out next. It was absolutely annoying as shit that mounts and certain cosmetics were TIMED from when you bought them to when they would expire. You COULD sometimes get permanent mounts, I had a few when I played. But they were pretty costly in the online shop, back when they didn't even have an in-game store portal. @ 36:13 - It was interesting to me that you said there weren't really anyone around, but you passed by a group of people. They don't have any official market board or auction house in the game, but the only way to sell/trade items is chat or via a small "Vender Shop" you can create and set up shop somewhere, but it is essentially a little house you set up in and you post items at whatever rates you want. The people you passed by were those cartoony dragons and whatever else. The game has always made it shitty at showing that, but I do remember back in the day when towns like Elderine were FULLLLLLL of these shops all around town. Good memories of a bad system. It's so frustrating. Yes, the writing was subpar before, but it really has shown me whatever GamiGo touches, they absolutely destroy and rip apart. I cannot and will not play any of their games because damn, they did Fiesta big dirty. It was not an absolutely amazing game beforehand when it launched, but by god, as a 10-12 year old kid in 2007, this was a blast. It is actually painful to see it degrade to this level of literal dog shit. Sorry for the huge comment thread Josh. Hopefully you get to see this though and see from a long-time dedicated player of this game that it is not nearly as good as it used to be, and GamiGo ruined about 75% of the fun in the game, 10% of was previous issues, and that small nugget of 5% is now just long lost memories with the people I used to be around.

[@mokoloko3343]

I am commenting to hopefully bring more attention to this. I was never hardcore at playing this game because I was very young but this game has brought me so many great memories from its charming feel and the social aspect was amazing! I also remember the game being more polished than what was shown in the video.

[@Viftss]

I religiously played the Outspark version for years too! Player owned shops all over the main towns, not being able to go anywhere as a healer without being asked for buffs, doing Kingdom Quests with everyone. It's all just long lost memories like you've mentioned, what Gamigo did was just money hungry and messy as hell :

[@henryrichardson4274]

@@Viftss I played an archer and was deff running behind clerics going buff plz lol

[@reubenwallace-gibb4209]

What happened to the last 10%?

[@heartlessmabi]

Really though when outspark ran this game it was gold cause they cared about the community but it's dog poop the way it is now. 😭

[@SigmaSyndicate]

I'm trying to imagine the opposite of an "Aimed Shot" where archers just shoot their bows from the hips like cowboys

[@And-ur6ol]

the opposite of aimed shot (in a real life sense) is "Quick Shot", where you don't spend time on aiming, but shoot in the general direction. Or you could have an "Long Shot", which is something you do in armies, where many archers try and shoot maximum distance to hit an far away enemy, where aiming means nothing because the goal is for a rain of arrows to hit the enemy.

[@lunaeons45]

What annoys me the most is steady shot/aim would be a much better 1st skill name. Every knows to aim a bow, only those that train tho have the ability to Keep the bow steady as most bows take a decent amount of strength to drawback (depending on the draw required) Yet so many make it aimed shot, if you want do aimed shot make it for magic instead of Bo and arrow

[@ahouyearno]

Both during bow and skeet initiations I was told "no aiming" Actively trying to aim apparently makes it harder to hit. No idea why but this would mean that an aimed shot, in reality, is worse than a autoshot. Depends on the weapon and target though.

[@Unapologeticweeb]

It is pretty common for some wierd reason allot of rpgs have this and not just mmorpgs ether this mechanic dating back to the original final fantasy tactics

[@kennedyeduardooliveira272]

I played this game 10 years ago and didn't remember it being that bad... Also Gamigo is only the publisher. It buys dead games and try to to milk it until it turns into dust

[@Fabi-tx6vk]

cant wait till they buy cyberpunk

[@LightForgedProtector]

10 years ago you weren't wrong, back then it wasn't bad infact it was good compared other mmos back then But now sadly it is

[@yjre]

@@LightForgedProtector world of warcraft came out in 2005 buddy boy. are you saying fiesta online is better than world of warcraft?

[@kichan]

@@yjre Saying it wasn't bad isn't saying it was better than WoW lol. This was an era where Korea was crapping out MMOs left and right. Fiesta Online is a F2P Korean MMO. WoW is not. For a F2P Korean MMO in 2006-2007ish, it really wasn't that bad. Obviously, it hasn't aged well. Even WoW has been reworked since then. The original creators of Fiesta Online abandoned it long ago and Gamigo purchased the rights to it so that they could continue milking the game's community.

[@sarahwallace1103]

It wasn't. It went the cycle of a typical cheap eastern game.Starts fairly nice and then gets greatly oversimplified and level requirement shrinks, plus many other things.

[@cashnelson2306]

FWIW, that "annoying anime thing" of saying back to someone the thing they just said is actually just how Japanese people show interest conversationally. It's a bit like the "mm-hmm" and nods that English speakers do. It's super awkward in translation and annoys me too, but there is a reason it's so prevalent.

[@TheDapperDragon]

I mean, I do it myself in real life. I find it does help when receiving instruction to show you're following the conversation, and to ensure you're learning correctly. Also, when someone makes a request of me, I'll frequently repeat, just to ensure I understood the request.

[@ginogatash4030]

I don't really mind it unless the characters repeat shit a lot of times consecutively after hearing every line of dialogue in a short amount of time, I get that it has a reason to be, but at a certain point you get the idea.

[@lenkagamine4145]

I do it when I just want further details. I'm not actually confused about the words but its just a prompt to explain in more detail.

[@ginogatash4030]

METAL GEAR?

[@Aloysius2113]

@@ginogatash4030Psycho Mantis?

[@Sorenzo]

There is ONE thing that makes this game interesting and worth playing: Iayfo, who was kind enough to reply despite being the only other player online, and who didn't even get a response. God love you, Iayfo. :)

[@steffithemad8327]

🤣 I saw that, Josh was probably too drunk and angry to respond.

[@jack-vi6rg]

The community is amazing on fiesta online it’s just kids like this who lie about the game on this video don’t show the good it has

[@vratti2236]

@@jack-vi6rg Yeah the community can be good but the game is fucking trash lmao

[@Warrior_Culture]

@@jack-vi6rg I'm curious as to what you think he lied about, considering the gameplay footage itself was video evidence of everything that happened.

[@smurfyx]

@@jack-vi6rg Give us your perspective

[@mcgruber]

Man, I played this 13 years ago. It was packed. I remembered it being decent. They had a cool system where you could set up a shop while offline that people could buy items from you etc. It was cool as fuck.

[@westwoodgames]

Facts

[@filthycasualgaming9715]

It's not offline if you have to leave your game running.

[@mcgruber]

@@filthycasualgaming9715 You didn't have to keep it running. It would be interacted with while offline. Like any type of auction house or player shop system in any other type of MMO.

[@JohnTheHopeful]

Sounds like Flyff

[@gingercams]

@@mcgruber I remember playing this game when I was in highschool, there WAS a time when you needed to be online if you want people to buy your goods. It was in tandem with your mushroom house so if you were setting up shop, you couldn't play, couldn't go into your private home, couldn't do anything but chat. You couldn't even move. I remember setting up shop after having crafted stacks of VIT and CRT scrolls because they were the most bought back in the day, and when I woke up the next morning I realize I had disconnected and none of my goods sold. I had to keep the game running while I was at school. One of my highlights from that game that was on the bad scale. 😆

[@ckwolf4090]

I played this game back when outspark was running this game, so many players, kingdom quests was always full, good times. When gamico took over idk it went downhill very fast.

[@OverAchi3ver]

Bro back in the day, I’m from ‘06, it was so populated. Kingdom quests were actually hard to get into. Fun times

[@ckwolf4090]

@@OverAchi3ver also the tower in forest of mist was almost full we had to wait for the other party to come out so can get into do our tower quests lol

[@emichinatsu5427]

@@OverAchi3ver i miss those old times :( i used to play in 2008

[@fullmetal1002]

Same for me as well. I played fiesta after runescape back in 2006. Loved it at the time.

[@lunaaoi5]

It was a nightmare when outspark stopped running it alot of us lost everything

[@elliannawilson9551]

As going for the "Why do the blacksmith not look the same?" Originally, it did. In the early days when Outspark had the game, the characters looked like their anime counterparts. Eventually, as the game got maintenance and updates from Gamigo, one of them was the characters "upgrading" and look different than their anime counterparts. The tutorial actually changed since last I played (years ago, mind you) you actually used to start at the game in Roumen (a beginner city) and you travelled to people to tell you had to play the game, giving you quests and went along. The fun part of the game was when you were higher levelled and you saw a group of newbies in the center of one spot where the tutorial started and tons of people just doing the quests. Lmao That eventually changed to a field in an area where you were by yourself and it wasn't dark but sunny. It was a basic thing. Doing a raid, blah, blah, blah. And now it's changed to that? Another point: shadows were originally there.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

What is it with always online games and breaking shadows? Jeez!

[@TheGhostFart]

@@RAFMnBgaming mmos are by nature always online so good observation on the floor being made of floor

[@leperwolf7287]

I also remember sound fx in combat.

[@elmanhux]

wow, some other soul who still remembers the oddity that was "Outspark"- I played "Secret of the Solstice" back in the day ~~~ now take my like

[@ducciboi]

@@RAFMnBgaming because they're practically abandoned so no updates for modern hardware.

[@rieiid5867]

Wow this was a HUGE MMO back in the day, one of the more popular anime MMOs. I remember the towns being absolutely packed everywhere and people fighting over mob spots and for spots in Kingdom Quests. Good memories it was a good MMO for the early 2000's.

[@jazlynfarris4854]

yeah same rip fiesta

[@nickmack2689]

Lol there's only 1 server active now and it's slowly dying, this game is pretty much finished

[@redRAID3R]

It was never a good MMO, some people just like garbage :)

[@juhadexcelsior]

I never played it but I do remember the popularity vividly

[@tommypham916]

@@redRAID3R I love trash

[@SocksAndPuppets]

watching Drunk Josh dry to pronounce Mandragora was probably the most entertaining thing this game managed to create.

[@SethJV]

He's... pretending. That's pretty obvious.

[@TheMadAfrican1]

Josh sucks at pronouncing words that aren't English, anyway. "Wooks-sia" comes to mind. It's frigging infuriating how bad he messes up words sometimes.

[@BabyCal]

Gamigo: “Advertise our games!” Josh: “I’m about to end this whole company’s career”

[@DarukaEon]

I remember the last time I played the game: There was I guess an extremely disgruntled GM and he thought it was a good idea to summon a dragon in the middle of a town followed by a squad of skeletons. He was extremely pompous and didn't give a shit about the new players that died over and over and over. A lot of us veterans did our best to fend off the monsters and protected the newbies. This went on for more than an hour or so before either I or the GM gave up. I forget. But yeah, it happened frequently that a GM would come and harass the new players with their shenanigans.

[@drunkbrick]

I mean.. there used to be heaps of events where GMs would spawn things like these and youd get some decent loot that sold generally pretty well. Surprised to hear the GMs went that way honestly.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

That would be awesome in a good game. Dynamic and completely random monster attacks.

[@drunkbrick]

@@miguelcondadoolivar5149 it was incredible at fiestas peak, I was running on a rather high end PC at the time and would still fps lag out because of how many people would show up. Same with raiding once us westerners figured out the strategy for killing Helga and got all the top guilds coordinating together. Some of the best gameplay in any game Ive ever played.

[@Topgun232]

Wait, I remember this happening.

[@UBvtuber]

GMs in this game were like the OG discord mods lmao

[@cattysplat]

Those "players" on the steam charts are just like you were, people with the patcher open unable to play the game, since steam considers you are playing the game as soon as you hit "play game" in the steam client as you found out yourself. Pretty gross that these people will be downloading a worthless version on the game on steam over and over again without warning on the game's steam page. IMO if a game doesn't function on the steam store it should be petitioned to be removed since it's basically broken.

[@xenxander]

but they won't because, money... in some form or fashion.

[@Pihsrosnec]

@@xenxander but it's not profitable for anyone, steam is wasting resources, ableit not many, and more importantly negatively affects it's image. Fiesta online makes absolutely no money off of preventing people from playing the game, and loses potential users because many who download from steam won't realise the game still exists and has servers running

[@OriginalPocky]

I don't normally comment on KZbin videos, especially older ones, but seeing you play this brought back memories of when I was watching the "Asian wave" of old MMOs slowly get "localized" (those quotes are doing some heavy lifting) for the western market. This game is originally from 2006, and... yeah. Most games were like this, because Korean developers/publishers were all about microtransactions and temporary EVERYTHING. ("If the mount goes away and they like it, they will buy it again, right?" "NO!") I worked on one such localization in 2007/2008, and it was like pulling teeth to get the original company to give us ANYTHING to make the game more likeable for the western market. I almost started Korean lessons (ashamed to say I don't speak it well, despite being Korean-American) just so I could yell at them in their default language during calls. So thank you for this, brave sir. You are doing the world a service. And I am stunned this is still "alive".

[@CookiezSama]

This game was the first MMO I've ever played back around '08, and as such will always hold a special place in my heart, even though it's probably one of those things that are better left forgotten. Having said that, even with taking off the nostalgia goggles, I'm sure it used to be better than this, when it was still handled by Outspark. A good bit of the content of this video was actually quite foreign to me since I probably haven't dared to go back since 2011 or 2012. Interestingly enough, its soundtrack was actually one of my favourite features, it was really cheerful and made adventuring a very nice experience for 12 year old me. One really good aspect was the community. As I remember, everyone used to be incredibly helpful, there was one guy I remember who I bothered constantly to power level me, and the absolute madman would actually babysit me. I have no idea why he didn't just block me. Teaming up with others was also highly encouraged, the cleric class had some early buffs that got stronger the more people joined the party. Good old times, too bad for complete inability to upgrade the game and for the corporate greed of later publishers.

[@Gophobo]

Almost exactly what I was going to post. What the hell did they do to this game. I don't know anything of that tutorial, the crappy Christmas backgrounds, and that certainly isn't the music tracks I remember. Man, so sad to see this completely correct evisceration of a game I used to love.

[@Kveldred]

This guy you refer to, was he a wizard?

[@SolixxOne]

pedo alarm

[@tociart]

I remember when I would go to the fountain and type "buff pls" :'( or a random passing cleric helping out low level me with a buff :') no mmo felt quite the same. I wish there's a fiesta online that kept the essence, just modernized for quality of life features.

[@lordreega8994]

"Me and my blinking horse head will fly away with my magical ass stick." Makes the game actually sound interesting.

[@DiseasedDreams]

35:37 That moment when you've completely forgotten this game. And then you remember why. Yes, I was Leeloo. Not getting any info on how to play the race, is what did it for me. (Off topic, Leeloo is a reference to my favorite movie, Fifth Element.)

[@Sorain1]

I love how the internet brings people together like this.

[@divine5328]

I really liked that movie when I was younger and Leeloo was cool

[@goldenknight578]

Multi-pass? 🤣

[@kaydwessie296]

I recognized the reference (my mom named her cat that!) and congrats on being in a JoshStrifeHayes video!

[@voxdraconia4035]

If that was your favourite movie, you would of course uses her full name: Lalalaleeloosaminaï Lekatariba Lamina-Tchaï Ekbat De Sebat ... and the only MMO worth playing would be one that allows THAT name for my char ... :-)

[@fireni328]

I used to play this back in the days, early 2000's sometime. The game was actually populated and Kingdom Quests (raids) were great big scale battles against mobs/the clock with a boss at the end. I got hardcore nostalgia from the funky soundtrack too. But yeah, so many years later I revisited it and it's a dumpster fire even with the nostalgia glasses on... Just some stuff I remember: - Level 20-40-60 class up quests were semi-interesting - Being bored and seeing how far can I get as a level 12, reaching areas of level 70, then getting bored of that too - Easily breakable balance, if you took the time to go into a high level area and asked player clerics for buffs they would give you their level buff and not yours, this way you could get at least 10-20x HP (if not more) and just play the game on easy mode until late-game - Slugish and boring farming after level 25-ish because quests didn't give enough XP and there was no challenge outside of Kingdom Quests - Unresponsive controls - Ruining an online in game wedding of two players by not playing along their plan of doing a coordinated show in one of the main towns of the game. Good time.

[@markmendoza4140]

For me Kingdom Quests is the most memorable thing in this game, being the cleric to heal your party on killing the big green Slime, getting first the key on Graverobber kq, killing bosses on Mini Dragon and surviving the final wave. Also Mara kq, getting the real Mara is job of the archer. Hayy memories

[@naskas4518]

yesss thats what made the game so fun & community driven finding people to do kq's with leveling up with them when you find a good cleric or tank and enjoying the game together every time i queue'd up it felt like a cool way to meet people especially when i run into the same people over and over grinding kq's for the day i miss that ❤️

[@rebellyanmagic6409]

The raids were always the best parts. I played a Cleric and became good enough that I was trusted to keep the tanks alive.

[@dubleblitz]

Ohh I remember so much of this. I actually got compliments back in the days for being a good cleric. Sometimes just chilling out in the starting area in Roumen to buff the new players and make them so OP for the start. Good memories.

[@Doomblade3890]

Man I remember that Mara KQ. I once was able to solo it as a cleric up until the part where you start to encounter the Marlone bosses. Honestly some of these other tracks were pretty good from my memory, but looking at the game as a whole now I'm surprised I played as long as I did as a teenager.

[@nickmack2689]

I redoenloaded a few days ago, nobody plays them anymore in fact there's only 1 active server I remember days when you would struggle to get into any of then

[@GasmaskBlacky]

I feel weird watching this. When I played it as a kid forever ago those streets were FULL of people camping and showing off their pets and mounts. I also remember, that the UI was awful and the game tried to exploit you pretty quickly. For example they gave you extremely limited character customization, just to charge real money for a post creation appearance change ticket. I also remember the game being always either too easy or too hard, but that might just be my dumb kid self failing at the game.

[@radagon5803]

The game is empty cause there is no new players actually its 85% dead .. You can find only some high level players that still spend money on this crap and gamigo only care about theme when those player quit fiesta will disappear with theme

[@jakujika]

Lol, I sold DT drops and runs to earn money just to get deluxe coupons from gifters

[@Toni7926]

I have played this game 14 years ago. I see most complaints as valid, for example the repeatable quest thingy. The automatic map movements (for quests) worked back then, even through different maps. While this video has some good points, it just shows how players add to the experience. When there were hundreds of people online on just one server replaying the game because of the level cap(at 79) and helping each others out, giving presents for in-game weddings and playing together sort of strategically in kingdom quests(I think they were not even mentioned in this video; Those are group quests in which you can fight a boss together every 10-60 minutes) it certainly felt like this game had a "soul". Without players it's generic, cute looking but outdated. It gives me good memories, but I guess it's just dead. I'm glad they got rid of the slimes saying things like "Does that mean we can't be friends?" when killing them. That made me cry inside.

[@austins.2495]

I’m sorry you wasted some of your life on this game

[@dodgyhodgyo4]

@@austins.2495 should play a good game, like ChromeHounds

[@blazaidstorm8885]

​@austins.2495 it's not a waste is called a old game

[@dodgyhodgyo4]

@@blazaidstorm8885 don't disrespect the classics like that

[@RF-Ataraxia]

@@austins.2495 It didn't feel _as_ bad back then, but, yeah...

[@AxleTrade]

Hearing Josh lay into Fiesta Online is like seeing your favorite teacher/professor lose his patience to a chronically belligerent student. You understand why he's mad but you also feel secondhand embarrassment for whoever he's mad at because you know he gave them every chance to make up for their mistakes for the year so he's 100% pissed.

[@Oldschool747]

This was an absolute nostalgia pill for me, I played this game religiously for it's tight community that it had for whatever reason. It was fun, but without other players, this game is literally worthless.

[@kylep5506]

new server released this month with fresh economy and tons of old players came back. was a treat to level up with ppl in a great packed acad and do KQ. Loving the game again. More p2w than ever tho lol

[@Sock-Puppet]

It's a good way to see how MMORPGs are really dependent on their communities. If Fiesta was able to stay with the OG company, and keep players consistently, to ensure that it was updated by the OG owners, it may be a different story. Instead, we have Fiesta or Ragnarok Online 2 games that we have fond memories of because we played with so many great people, had great events, but we all stopped playing. Now they're just these odd time capsules. Gamigo bought them, ruined them, but insists on still keeping them alive because they somehow make more money. But they own them. So we'll never see expansions, upgrades, or Fiesta Online 2.

[@wss33]

All mmorpg's are useless without the playerbase.

[@strwbrrybnny]

Man, I remember playing this back in like 2006!! It used to be packed with so many people!! I remember players used to follow the new content releases on the Korean version and be very excited for when they would be released here. It seems to be a shadow of it's former self sadly.

[@_cowprincess]

I remember being so hyped reading the korean patches lol

[@joejo4549]

Was it one of those games that had a playerbase of mostly kids?

[@elmotesthall2656]

2006 was so hype Jesus Christ

[@mrwoodchuck94]

Back in the day everyone and there mother played this game and it was a lot of fun playing it with all my friends, it is the reason why I still play mmorpg with out it I would never know about mmos

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

It is a good starting point, that has hopefully lead you to better games

[@mrwoodchuck94]

@@JoshStrifeHayes better and worser 😅

[@Psaliet]

@@JoshStrifeHayes Haha the Michael Corleone of MMOs

[@mjd3879]

Considering my first mmo was Everquest, the proliferation of these types of mmos have clearly shown where the quality bar is fallen.

[@tsuki9991]

My first mmo ever was this and osrs. This was a great introduction to MMOs

[@gingercams]

I remember starting off this game on Bijou when Outspark still ran Fiesta NA. There was a lot of people playing, Elderine would always be chuck full of people, AFK shops, player conga lines, others dancing after porting in from a Kingdom Quest, and some who were sitting at AFK spots like where the pigs are near a portal. Whenever GMs would come in-game, my Windows XP pc would lag to hell and back. There was a moment when repeat quest parties were formed and other groups would hog certain areas for XP grinding because they'd ran out of quests to get them to the next level. From Ancient Forest to those dungeons made for grinding which were also PvP zones, there was a lot more in Fiesta back in the day than what Gamigo turned it into. I replayed Fiesta again a couple years ago to see how it would go under Gamigo's management and it was not the same experience. I'm happy I got to play the game at its prime, and this video was a good laugh at both the good and bad times. o/

[@addamhall8214]

I played this game in grade school over a decade ago and the fact that they haven’t even added a single class is baffling to me

[@smaragdchaos]

They have added tricksters and crusaders over the whole existence of the game. Adding more classes right now is not a good idea because the game has worse issues at the moment, and a new class would exacerbate it.

[@-TBH-]

@@smaragdchaos Outspark added the trickster class in 2011, not Gamigo.

[@smaragdchaos]

@@-TBH- Technically it's all OnsOnSoft and not Outspark

[@wss33]

@@-TBH- Nobody said it was Gamigo.

[@-TBH-]

@@wss33 " Addam Hall 2 years ago (edited)"

[@DrEtzor]

Before Gamigo yoinked this MMO, it was actually decently good. You also used to start at Roumen, not at that tutorial thing, so they themself added the Rift story to Fiesta after acquiring Fiesta. Edit : A ton of grinding, farming and so on, but it was fine if you just wanted a game to consume time every now and then, without having to worry about much.

[@CrazyAlienLady051]

this game was bumping when Outspark published it.

[@andrewklingenberger7475]

Outspark bought this game from a korean company originally and published it from San Francisco until they got too greedy and ended up ruining things, gamigo bought the smoldering ruins. Originally though, Outspark did good things with it, I loved grinding orcs inside the lvl 60 abyss on my mage.

[@bleachedwhale]

I have fond memories of a reasonably well populated, social atmosphere with moderately fun multiplayer events and dungeons. It helped that I could play it on a potato, and the targeted resolution was fine for a $99 monitor from 2005. I don't think anyone's surprised at how poorly the basic game mechanics have aged, but it served its purpose.

[@SonySteals]

I honestly do not believe this game was partially good at any point.

[@DrEtzor]

@@SonySteals To be fair, this game is from 2003, one year before World of Warcraft, so while it didn't become the giant that we know as WoW to this day, for it's time? yeah it wasn't anything special if we look back to then from now, but it was also launched into a very very different world. From my experience, what made the game playable / you wanted to go back to it was not the game itself but the people you met, but that is applicable to all MMOs. Though, if you look at it in a vacuum, it does have player housing and a card collection system, so it'd be more like Final Fantasy XIV comparable rather than WoW, but FFXIV is faaaaaaar different game with way different systems otherwise and the housing in FFXIV is a status symbol rather than given to everyone for free. That, and Triple Triad is an actual minigame rather than just collecting cards. In a simple conclusion i'd say, for it's time Fiesta was good, but as time has passed, the game did not really ever degrade, but everything else overshadowed it, and the gap between it and the best of the best only grew massively, which we probably all can agree on with a lot of the early MMOs, and even later ones, all came around only to be defeated by WoW or one of the other top games, only for the more obscure games to fall into a niche territory. Afterall though, as WoW has shown us, you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Some won't even reach the hero phase.

[@MovesLikeSwogger]

As 11 year Fiesta "veteran" I agree with pretty much every point you have. But the thing which keeps people playing is nostalgia from when you first played the game and it was not THAT outdated and the people you have met during that time. Gamigo is a horrible company and knows nothing of the game. Their current plan is to milk the whales as long as they can because they are addicted to it and the whole pay2win endgame feature. If you wanna be good at the game for the end game, win raids ect, you are required least 50-100 dollar monthly investment into pay2win costumes for boosted stats and charms. Also enchanting new gear/weapon to +10/+12, which is pretty much mandatory, costs rougly 10-20 dollars per piece. Gamigo is currently planning new expansion and level cap to 140 this coming months, but considering how the last cap lasted for 4 years with 2 months of content, it is just a ripoff.

[@Solearks]

The korean servers died at 145 to my recollection, so this i'd assume is going to follow suit soon, shame, they killed off the lower level content and perms, just to do as you said, milk the community which is only active at 70+ for plvling, farming, raiding, or selling leveling services in general. I miss this game pre 2013, shame it took a path down this road but without "these" people "Gamigo" the rest of outsparks games in ownership would be gone like Secret of the Solstice.

[@santilc2k2]

@@Solearks Totally agree with you, back when I played this game I used to enjoy every single map. Lvling up 10 levels was hard but I didnt care because it was 10 levels that you spent on a map playing and paying attention to the details, music etc.. Now you can be lvl 60 in a couple of days if you play hard. When I played I arrived to lvl 60 and I was the happiest person in the game, now reaching 60 feels like.. meh.

[@addiem4387]

Hi! I know your comment is (kind-of) old, but Gamigo just acquired Kingsisle (The developers of Wizard101 and Pirate101) and many fans are worried about what Gamigo has done to prior acquisitions. Would you mind going a little bit more in-depth as to what alterations Gamigo has made from Fiesta's previous pay2win model? (if it had one, I've never played so I'm not entirely sure if it did.)

[@Solearks]

@@addiem4387 They've nerfed enchanting rates for our gears, hosed GM's mods, and devs so we get less events or if we get events they are petty 1day items now. They promise fixes on bugs that have been around for years and nothing ever gets done. Mainly they nerf content in favor of higher levels to make more money off end game.

[@Solearks]

@@addiem4387 The problem is "They don't" and sit back and collect on what they do "nerf" rates on stuff" then turn around and sell boosters on the things they nerfed to make rates regular again for more profit.

[@moysauce788]

This was the game that got me into MMOs I don't remember it being that bad, I remember loving it actually lol I compared other games to it for a long time. Also, these songs still live in my head to this day, absolute bangers

[@rock21611]

From what I’m seeing in the comments, Gamigo bought it out and basically gutted it. Everyone is saying it got way worse when they took over.

[@KingLich451]

@@rock21611 that does seem like the theme with Gamigo

[@emperorehryn2370]

I miss slime hill and killing pirates now. :(

[@wss33]

Fucking A! The songs are one of the most nostalgic piece of musical history. Absolute bangers.

[@Digger-Nick]

Songs from this game and GunZ The Duel live in my head rent free

[@cainfragile]

Rip OnsOnSoft the real developers of FIesta Online

[@CrazyAlienLady051]

I remember Outspark, Beanfun, and gPotato..RIP those publishers..yet Aeria Games is still around? Wtf.

[@cainfragile]

@@CrazyAlienLady051 those are the days

[@bradbland9307]

They weren’t developers

[@smaragdchaos]

@@bradbland9307 They were

[@RemKoshmar]

Ah Fiesta, I have such good memories of when I used to play it 12 years ago... Back then, the whole 'tutorial' area didn't exist, so I think it was added later, after Outspark stopped developing the game. When you noted there were no character shadow, I had to go back to my old cringy channel to check the recordings of the game I had made and-... There used to be shadows. I don't know what happened to make them remove character shadows, but now I'm wondering what other 'for the worse' changes they have made...

[@addie.iscrazy]

Man, this makes me simultaneously so happy, to see so many people commenting that they had the same experience as I did with this game over the last fifteen years plus, and so sad, to see the state the game is in now. This game got my socially anxious and depressed ass to interact with people and make real friends. Practically raised me from the age of like 11 through high school. A lot of really fond memories here. The game was never a masterpiece, but when Outspark owned it, it was at least full of life, and it felt like they cared. Now I'm feeling sentimental and sappy. I had so many good friends in this game, and yet I only ever kept some semblance of touch with a handful of them outside of the game, and even fewer still that I could say I have any connection to at all anymore.

[@Kveldred]

Word, brings back memories. I remember listening to a song while playing the first Halloween-y type area with my then-gf and best friend, and thinking "someday I will barely remember this" heh. It was significant to me back then. I became one of the highest-leveled players from start of open beta (? or something-one of the first to play it, anyway), and won an in-game contest along with my then-gf, and... stuff. then I became real depressed and addicted to heroin and then kicked heroin and met my wife and cheated on my wife and got divorced by my wife and I'll probably shoot myself before the year is done and no one will remember any of these things at all -but I still think back to those days sometimes. I think a lot of people liked me, and I was happy, and I thought my life was gonna go somewhere. heh

[@crazyThaliya]

I have SO MANY fond memories of this game. One of the most hardcore grind games ever. Back in my days you only could make 1% an hour with 100% exp buff. Gamind was like meditating. Grinding 48 hours the same spot. defeating against other Guilds, Fighting over Hg and the others Bosses...sweet sweet old days. But like most games... it depends on the ppl you play with. I'll always remember the ppl from R3volution.

[@andromidius]

I always silently chuckle to myself whenever I see people refer to WoW as a 'dead game'. Nothing compares to things like this. Quite how they are even online still is beyond me - almost like the company forgot to turn it off after abandoning it.

[@scintillam_dei]

MMORPG: Nice. Playing with three humans in your presence a game called Goldeneye 64: More fun.

[@filthycasualgaming9715]

It has whales so it still makes more money ( no wonder with the biggest money grab cash shop I have ever seen). They make more money than it costs to run the servers

[@Etsa]

Only need to make enough money to pay for servers to be worth running

[@wss33]

He went on the LOW population server. There's Isya, which has a much higher population. Still not nearly as popular as it used to be, but still.

[@fadedjem]

The continued existence of trash like this soothes me when I start to worry about GW1 ever getting taken offline.

[@Asti-tha]

The hilarious thing is that over time, Gamigo has added things to the game (that whole tutorial sequence, some icons, etc...) But you can tell which ones/what they made because they really suck or look so hilariously different from the original look, it's uncanny. I remember messing around during events as a kid with some of the GMs like 10 years ago when Outspark was still around. RIP Fiesta: Never really the most amazing game, always a bit of a cash grab with costume stats & charms, but... it at least deserved better than whatever the hell Gamigo did. Edit: I forgot the charms... ugh.

[@Isamaar]

I genuinely miss the old Fiesta Online when it was run by Outspark. I miss my friends that I made in the game. It was so fun 15 years ago. I re-downloaded it 2 years ago to see if it was still going and... it was awful. Gamigo squished this game and everything it had after it was bought out.

[@Cracks094]

I have a Friend who plays this game constantly and has done so for many many years. We had a few long conversations about what she enjoys about this game, yet she was never able to actually explain to me what's "Fun" about it, gets extremely defensive and even feels personally insulted when you try to push her into trying something... better. She also spends roughly 200€ every month on cash-shop stuff just to properly play with her Guild, who won't take her with them if she isn't using these items. Sad.

[@TheTGOAC]

Is she like gamer worded or something?

[@ZombieChimps]

I can fix her

[@gummli2186]

She is still playing the game and there is still a guild? Man peak players this month has been around roughly 65 players.. Average players online is 28... Sadly, I think she misses the old times of the game and can't accept it's fucked up today. I've had, or still have ahard time moving on from this game. I have stopped playing it. But I still get urges to play it because I miss it so much, so I go on this video to be reminded, that there's nothing good about the game anymore.. I mean, I like the style, and what used to be. But that's it... I hope your friend stops playing it.

[@BritishEcho]

Sounds like she is lost to the sunk cost fallacy.

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

She's single handledly keeping the servers running at this point

[@ds4987]

Man, this game and ROSE online were huge parts of my childhood. Me and a friend back in like grade 6-7 used to do just what josh does, download random MMO's and play them together. This game was so good. Its so sad to see greed and crappy business decisions tear them down.

[@darthbaker1114]

Thank you... I was the exact same with my friend back then - downloading random games and playing them. ROSE Online, FlyFF, MapleStory, Dragon Saga, Lunia, DFO, Elsword, Grand Chase, Rappelz, La Tale, Granado Espada. I could go on and on. I really miss the glory days of MMORPGs man.

[@IHazMagics]

"Was so good" I dunno I'm watching the video and I mean, did you play it? Because there's nothing good about what I'm seeing

[@ds4987]

@@IHazMagics ? what you are seeing is footage NOW. Not from like 10+ years ago when I was playing lol

[@IHazMagics]

@@ds4987 Let me share with you a brief story. I played a game on PSONE called Blaze and Blade. I loved that game when I played it (was maybe 10 years old). It was a top down action rpg with cool characters, great gameplay, and a sick anime intro to it. I went back to it in my 20's to find out child me had very tainted memories. The game played like shit, ran like shit, looked ugly (even for a psone game) and the anime intro was that really low budget type of animation where there's maybe 30 frames in the whole thing. My point is, just because memories of a thing might be rose tinted, children don't have a barometer for quality and that's why they'll spend hours playing shit like this and blaze and blade.

[@Th3Ey3]

@@IHazMagics Yes going back to a 25 year old game today is obviously going to be disappointing. That being said Fiesta Online WAS good back in the day, back when the original studio was the one making it, not whatever developers Gamigo put to work on it after they bought the game. What you're seeing in the video barely resembles the game it used to be as a lot of the UI was redesigned by the new guys, the "new" tutorial area was changed more than once each time becoming more and more buggy and unfitting, new systems were introduced to try and milk players for $$, pretty much the game has lost its soul. So no, people are not looking through rose tinted glasses (or at least not entirely) when they remember the game being good, they just remember what the game used to look and feel like and what you're looking at is an abomination created by greed thinking people must be crazy to have ever liked it.

[@shogenx]

I really loved fiesta back in the years of out spark.... Oddly enough though the music was very catchy... I think in the old days of out spark it's community was fantastic

[@shogenx]

Mind you it's a horrid game there are some horrible brick walls in the game that screw you hard

[@ben-3467]

@@shogenx was it horrible or bland its hard for me to remember... the thing I found funny is 90% of the shit bitched about didn't exist when I played.

[@shogenx]

@@ben-3467 i remember the movement different, their was only 4 classes that further expanded, the upgrade system was bs, but the people online were amazing the outspark forums were always so busy and the KQ were fun dungeon esc battles, then they added raid like battles which were exciting and challenging long story short it was still a janky game but it was a very social game... some of the guild members i had back in 2006 are still friends on facebook with me, we have all grown up now but to this day those people feel like a second family to me despite us being from all over the world aus, england, finland and american, malaysia i also liked that the guild system had this academy and guild system, character start in the academy and can be ranked up to the guild it was, the guild leader also recieved the ability to Teleport to any guild member this allowed our master to be super helpful and lovely

[@ben-3467]

@@shogenx yeah the thing about mmo is that they are generally meh games but the social aspect was what made it fun

[@shogenx]

@@ben-3467 completely agree i do also think fiesta's guild system was rather good also the marriage system was good aswell their were some neat benefits to being a guild leader or have married character

[@pyronix]

one of my favorite things about this series is how you can see Josh saying hi to everyone in world chat no matter how crap the game is. it's just so endearing

[@tomasr.]

Even better, the other one player answered him in surprise, he sees someone else in the game.

[@aftermarkgaming]

Three years on and this is still the angriest review on the channel. Find you a man who loves you as much as Josh hated Fiesta Online.

[@LeilaLoveMusic]

I just can't wait to know what you'll think of FLYFF 😂

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

Still more enjoying than this shit tbh 😂 the main issue with flyff is that leveling as f2p is a grindfest and it is a bit outdated now.. i remember trying fiesta back in the day but hating it.. i had a ton of hours in flyff though..

[@LeilaLoveMusic]

@@litchtheshinigami8936 ohhh I used to play both back in the day. I remember finding them pretty much similar but I agree FLYFF is better made, especially thanks to the buff giving 🐧

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

@@LeilaLoveMusic not only that the mechanics aren't as clunky as fiesta i'd say.. and flyff has actual battle sounds

[@issaltarkorimara1376]

I’m waiting for him to play mabimogi. I couldnt stand the washed out pixelated models when it originally came out and I refuse to download mabi again.

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

@@issaltarkorimara1376 i tried that a while back.. and though i really liked the concept it just felt too outdated for me to enjoy with the way the game looked..

[@XxSpacePotatoxX]

This was the first mmo i ever played back in middle school... it was painful to see just how different it is now compared to then. I made a lot of memories in this game as well as a few friends that i have unfortunately lost touch with. But I will never forget them and the way this game made me feel while playing, it was such a fun experience and just hearing some of the music again (despite the criticism) made me happy. I do remember there was a game most likely created in response to the failings of Fiesta though... it was called Selesnia i think?? it was basically a ripped version of Fiesta where all the cash shop items were purchasable with the in game currency, I dont know what exactly happened to it though. I think it got shut down.

[@IntheBay85]

Hell yeah, this is what MMO games are all about!

[@Kveldred]

Yeah, there were a few people I really liked, but I became extremely depressed and addicted to heroin so I lost touch lol. Sekiro, or something like that, I think one of my best buds in the game was called. Sephero. Sakaro. Something. Man... wish I could find 'im. *edit:* wait... it's coming to me... it was _Seirou_ or something like that! now I... still can't find him nvm

[@boomerlams2]

if you’ve played this game you know the feeling of grabbing a super rare item off the ground before your party member gets it

[@greatestever3094]

The mf that just waits for the drop, spams pick up item, then gets tf outta there lmao

[@UlshaRS]

Ah Ninja-ing. The fastest way to get your name spread across a server and pre-banned from guilds.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

When you get that 100G Karen card before a rival guild gets it. No feeling like it...

[@meowy2k]

oh my fucking GOD it was absolutely EXHILARATING. then watch everyone be like "omg who took it!!!, no fair i called" aw man, what a moment that was.

[@princeswagger1able]

I remember chilling in those pvp ally’s and getting betrayed good times LMFAOOOOOOO I got stopped playing at lvl 55 I wis I went to the 80s they seemed so badass to my kiddie self

[@tombydeesh]

“Me and my blinking horse head fly away with my magical ass stick” is just fantastic

[@NotTheAverageGamerz]

Oh wow I remember playing this as a teenager off and on back in like 2006 or so and don't remember it looking this bad ! Also RIP outspark !

[@elmanhux]

RIP Outspark indeed

[@simon-peterwilliamson2412]

I love this game. But it's in dire need of a rework. It acts like a game made in 2006 should stay the same

[@beckyb1813]

It is from 2003

[@114spencer]

It was my second mmo after combat evolved made runescape not as enjoyable for me. It was fun and enjoyable for a bulk of my experience but my standards were like none back then

[@BeastnHarlotDFO]

#NoChanges

[@Ammy-q4w]

Okami was made in that year and is one of the best and prettiest games I have ever played. This is nothing compared to that

[@_cowprincess]

Bruh outspark created a great community for this game. GMs were extremely active in world, set up a fun P!NK music video featuring players, always activated random treasure chests and small games, etc.

[@qetyoph]

agree, i loved fiesta during outspark times. great people. lots of fun and no p2w

[@naskas4518]

oh i forgot about the GM events the hide and seek ones were always fun and they would randomly spawn giant monsters in towns with awesome loot good times man

[@kasuraga]

it was fun back in the og days

[@SammieWeiss]

Oh gods yes! I remember nearly everybody in the server I was in followed the GM like a train. My PC lagged like nuts

[@tulip5210]

yes exactly thats what made it a good game, and good experience :)

[@richardlivings8640]

Watching this in December. Fills me with the spirit of Christmas. “I expected nothing and I am still disappointed”

[@SokkaToEm]

I am sort of surprised you didn't accidentally find that glitch were if you press space and hold it during the load screens. When the map loads you get launched into the sky

[@tommywicker634]

I loved when you enhanced your weapon and it would glow and give you a dopamine boost irl. Once you actually level up and go through job advancing. It's pretty fun, but SUPER primitive. I enjoyed in when I was a kid, but definitely was lack luster.

[@Maxiter]

Gamigo: "Hey we love your content and we'd like you to review our- wait, why do I hear the boss music?"

[@_t_f_]

Right when you said “listen to this music” at 27:49, it went to ads and I got to listen to more horrible, numbingly bad music! Two for one deal.

[@wstevegaming593]

Gamigo: Will you do a sponsored video for us? Josh: *I will take your money and make you regret it so hard...*

[@ScandiNinja]

Fiesta is how I learned English , just sitting with a dictionary every time I played. I have now played the game for about 15 years. love it still. to me fiesta is home

[@edgararellano9180]

Same omg

[@broxim9668]

Thats so wholesome, congratz dude. Fiesta was my first MMO when I was like 11.

[@MstresVampy]

Lol I played this since beta

[@Girtharmstrong69]

@@broxim9668 actually it’s pretty sad if it’s true lol

[@theo7236]

Used to play this in the 7th and 8th grade around 2007-2008 and I got my friend into it. I used to really enjoy it a lot and it's indelibly a part of my childhood, even if it didn't age well.

[@jimchen7606]

Oh man..how the game falls, it used to be a great game 10+ years ago

[@dillonmoore2934]

This video made me EXTREMELY sad. This game was a huge part of my childhood back in the mid 2000's. I played a ton, and it really does hold some of the best memories I have from my childhood period. It not only makes me sad to hear someone tear it apart like this, but it makes me sad to know that the game has only gotten much worse since I played it. The game has gone through a few publishers and none of them have had anyone truly care about it or its player base in over ten years. Fiesta had a lot of promise. It wasn't amazing, but it was something I truly loved and still holds a special place in my heart. I hope one day I can learn to forget it and let it reside in my memory as cherished moment and not the horrid thing it has become.

[@Faolan_Grey]

I played this like 10 years ago and I really loved it. I was a small child and was able to play it just fine. However whatever they did to the game has destroyed it lmao it was not like this before.

[@nightshadehelis9821]

I just discovered this channel and never want these videos to end. These videos are so damn funny. This my friends, is quality youtube content and story-telling at its finest. This channel is a total goldmine and I'm so happy to have discovered it by random. Also, respect to the creator for not selling out or bending the knee for a sponsorship.

[@aliksanon6491]

Its probably that the last patch was a Christmas patch so the holiday sprites haven't been removed😂

[@Norinia]

I miss Fiesta so much. I remember actually joining. A guild for once, called the Dark Legion. Had a blast with the group and actually made some friends. What crashed it all down was that they had a policy of everyone signing on like once a week or once a month, and if you didn’t, you’d be out. Reason was they thought it would keep the group fresh. Sucked because then my friend went down for a bit, they got kicked, then even the guild leader fell victim to the rule, and before long, the group felt weird and awkward. Sucked. At least I really did love the game while I was playing it back then, but still sad.

[@xvgm24]

Was that on Apoline?

[@Norinia]

@@xvgm24 ? Was that a server name? I don’t remember every server name now a days, I just remember my old guild, and a certain area I was grinding for a good long while (this big, wooded forest, and right in the middle there was a giant ruins pit in the ground.)

[@austinhuber3131]

I actually liked Fiesta online. It has a lot of charm, a cute art design, some fun music, and I got a crayon shoved so far up my nose as a child that it impedes normal brain function.

[@remuspoama-neagra6655]

You just earned yourself a subscriber. Honestly, this is the best review this game could ever receive, but sadly, it isn't because of the game. The game had such a promising start that its servers quickly got overpopulated. Between overpopulated servers and the technology at that point, you can imagine how laggy everything was. BUT the initial game designers made it worth it. This was a game that actually included a prison system for PK players at some point where you had to quietly jump around for as long as your character was imprisoned. I don't know about you guys, but that is a game feature that's rare to find and it gives normal players some sense of security knowing that players that ruined their game were eventually punished for it. Although slow, the game evolved, and due to having so many friends to play with and ingenious developers that kept things interesting, the game become addictive to its players. Although compared to today's standards the game is shit, at that point in time I was the proud owner of a Pentium 4 PC, thus you can imagine the excitement of playing something that had developers that were actually interested in identifying bugs, fixing them, adding new features, maps, items and so on (I do believe that we had the option to actually point out flaws in the game and they would fix them fairly quickly if enough reports come in). For that, I would like to honestly thank Outspark for being a huge influence on my life choices and development, lol. I must've played this game starting in 2007 and quit it in 2013. If you were somehow asking yourself what happened in 2013 and couldn't find an answer, I'll just give you help via the following answer options: a) CrapmiGo b) ShitmiGo c) TrashmiGo d) GamiGo So, at this point, Gamigo happened, and as the fat kid from high school that had to prove they owned something, they pretty much started adding the ideas their kindergarten developers brainfart together to the game and actually managed to destroy everything Outspark worked on in such a short time that it was just too painful to watch. I've quit the game while my character included top-tier hard-earned regional boss drop items, and out of curiosity I actually tried logging back in a couple of years later only to surprise myself with being unable to actually find my account. After some investigations, I've learned that at some point, FartmiGo decided to merge the servers, and my characters and accounts were somehow lost in the process.

[@MegaRazaele]

Josh : You wont remember any of the music Me who remembers every zones songs by heart from the joy it brought me as a kid : 👁👄👁

[@hpmcrdn4life]

Played this game with my best friend around 10-11 years ago, I remember it being charming and the community seemed massive, the community centers were quite busy!!! Stopped playing because I went to college that year and I was busy with work. Looking at it now, literally nothing has changed, except all the people are gone. A bit sad!

[@JesseTheGameDev]

The fact that the Fiesta servers are even still up is incredible!!

[@chrisfidalgo2505]

This game used to be amazing back in the day, back when the graphics werent so outdated, outspark was running things, the active GMs and events, spamming the join button on kingdom quests to try to make it in, populated and friendly guilds, that game is what really got me interested in MMOs

[@a5c0]

"I expected nothing and was still disappointed." Best line in the video!

[@wss33]

He didn't come up with that line on his own.

[@a5c0]

@@wss33 oh no. My world is shattered. But thankfully you were there to prevent me from living a lie. Let me return the favor. Look up comedic timing & delivery. Now go away.

[@sissichu]

I know that this is a 3 year old video but the 23:37 Blue Crab part reminded me of FlyFF. A game I used to play as a 13 year old. I'm pretty sure it is and was bad but I had fun playing it. So I'm looking forward to when you do a video about it!

[@hotsoup1339]

As an ex-Trove Player, seeing that this game was under Gamigo's name was enough to tell me how well this was going to go. Trove was never fantastic, but when Trion Worlds dissolved and was absorbed into Gamigo, the game went downhill hard and fast.

[@13Razgriz37]

Wow I remember Fiesta... and I also remember it being this bad and frustrating. I would rather play FLYFF than ever go back to Fiesta. Its basically the same game, but better and still has a huge player base, especially on some of the top private servers. But I dont think I would touch either now that I've gotten into FFXIV

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

Same. I tried it once back in the game because people would be like FIESTA IS THE BEST tried it once and stopped real quick and just went right back to flyff... heck even the defunct iris online was a lot more fun.. looked better too. I did get into final fantasy online but then i bought it via steam and it decided to not let me port over my character from the demo so that was a waste of 10 euros.. even though i really liked the game.. i’d still love to play it but i didn’t want to start all over again.. i’ll probably retry in the future..

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

@HorrorG.C.L ooh might check that out once it releases.. haven't heard of it before this but it would be a nice nostalgia smack

[@litchtheshinigami8936]

@HorrorG.C.L sounds amazing. it kind of reminds me of the whole freerealms revival project that has been going on for a few years now. (that's also a game i used to play a ton of.. i loved just the aspect of running around making friends and decorating your housing estates.. i never had a subscription though so some of the content was locked for me. i remember enjoying the mining game and getting my skill maxed out on that though as it was one of the few free skills you could get to max without paying.. i hope that game also gets off of the ground because i'd love to play that game again.. it was so much fun back then (another game i loved back then for the socializing aspect was Spore.. however with the swap to origin i had some issues that still aren't all resolved. i can't log into the spore account as something must have been screwed up with the port over.. my spore also didn't show up on my origin account for wich i had to contact support wich added it back to my account and they also could see that something indeed had gone wrong. however one of my expansions still doesn't show up digitally wich is the galactic adventures expansion despite me telling them i did have it and i did defenitely register it to my account back in the day.. meanwhile the sims 3 was ported over without any issues and all of my content made it over immideately)

[@13Razgriz37]

@HorrorG.C.L I might have to do that. Problem tho is that retail fly was very p2w to get item enhancements and such. The only way I can do flyff nowadays is on private servers

[@dianacarolina3399]

As an on/off player of this game since 2007, this made me laugh so much. Thank you

[@ForestFairy]

24:30 honestly this horse face blinking at you ominously is the *only* thing this game did correctly imo.

[@kleeb5742]

Gotta love a youtuber that says how they actually feel even though they have a business opportunity placed in front of them. That's getting kind of rare.

[@TheAzuratis]

What did they make out of one of my favorite child hood games?! T.T That is not the story I play, that is not the story I wanted to play. I was a traveler coming to Fiesta with a ship, with basic equipment and a little bit of money. Founding a new life as an adventurer. I loved that game, I loved that it was so relatable and that I was one of many and could play with others on an equal footing. It was at that time the perfect beginner MMO, very basic and nothing special but with all required MMO mechanics and easy to get into. The tutorial was "Look a floating exclamation mark over the head of that girl there, wonder what happens when you click on it?". Just the opening shop was an NPC with a quest to get you startet, nothing more. It was awesome, natural exploration drive you pretty well thru the game. This there in the video is just sad, just what happened to this lovely game...

[@Ranzulx]

I was addicted to this game more than 10 years ago. The reason I quit because I went to college. Sometime over the years I have been thinking about playing it again but i never got around to it. By a stroke of luck I came across this video. Thank you for preventing me from wasting my time on this game.

[@Fenrisson]

This is the best video from this channel or the main one of yours, Mr Hayes. You *really* need to make a 3rd channel where you are drunk at all times. This video here. This one. I'll save it to favorites and watch again when I have a particularly bad day. MUCH respect, and Please Come to Brazil.

[@victornecromancer]

Boooa

[@Ultima228]

fun fact, I was perma banned from this game, for asking a question 3 times about an event that was running. I was sent to in-game jail where you had to sit and wait time out *in real time* and any time you spoke it added more time to the clock. If you tried logging off and playing another character, then say going to go check that one in particular? *the timer went up instead of down* At that point I basically said "fuck it" and stopped playing.

[@jaketstephens3932]

Fiesta online was a fun game back in the day. It was not a good game by any means, but there were a lot of ideas that I felt other MMO's should have as well as provided a great feeling of powering up. You mentioned death giving an exp penalty forced players to play more passively while not taking any risks. This is true, however, I would argue that this system actually enhanced my enjoyment of the game. When I entered a new area there were mobs that would easily destroy me, and in order to avoid the penalty I played passively. However, that passive play style I started out using was slowly but surely being broken as I gained levels and obtained better gear and skills. Those upgrades felt significant because I could feel their affect on my play style as I was able to suddenly take those risks I wasn't able to upon first entering a new zone. As far as some mechanics that were implemented in the game that I really enjoyed, there were quite a few. There was a master and apprentice system where higher level players could take on various apprentices and be rewarded for helping newer players, and while the newer players completed quests and killed monsters with their respective "Masters", they were also rewarded. It also had a house mechanic which would heal you over time and also acted as a shop for you to post up whatever item you wanted for others to purchase from you which I also felt was a very interesting mechanic. There was also the Kingdom Quests which was essentially raids in that game. If I remember correctly, each raid had several quests to go along with it which encouraged you to join as it gave a large amount of xp. I thought that the fact that you were able to do this at level 5 was something other MMO's should have done, as it allowed newer players to join each other and experience very challenging content along with many other players. Really the only main problem I had with the game was that the lack of balance when it came to attribute points and weapon choices. For example, say you were a fighter. You were given three options for weapons and those were the sword and shield(fastest/least damage), Greataxe(slowest/most damage), and Two-handed Sword (middle ground). If you wanted to play as a dps, you only ever picked the greataxe. Its only slightly slower than the Two-handed sword but did a lot more damage, and the sword and shield were exclusively used for tanking. As far as stat allocations go, spreading your points around was the most worthless thing you could do. The best thing for a dps fighter was to dump literally every point into your strength stat for maximum damage output. Spreading points into other skills was a complete waste as you'd be far behind any other player in both pvm and pvp.

[@Domsodaso]

I've actually played this mmorpg quite a lot when I was younger and actually enjoyed playing it. The only thing that really bothered me was/is the cash shop. But since I was just playing casual and made some friends on the way, I didn't really mind it. However, I haven't played it in a few years so I am really curious to see what your opinions on the game are.

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

You may have enjoyed it, but i found it just, awful

[@kennedyeduardooliveira272]

@@JoshStrifeHayes maybe it was because it was like 10 years ago. In the 'golden age of free mmo' where we didn't have mony to pay wow or rs and had to stick with whatever shitty f2p game was thrown on us

[@Solearks]

At least back then we didn't have a lame tutorial area.

[@LoganOliver1]

It's sad to see where the game went. I remember playing this game every day when I got home from school and even going over to friends houses to play with them and hang out. I have to many fonds memories of this game and to see how much it's changed is crazy I remember almost all the servers always had a HIGH player population now to see no one is playing even is sad but I see why. I remember checking my clocks in real life while logged off because I would need to log on for my level kingdom quest it was so fun exploring and getting new quest and seeing the new areas and enemies and that one tower where you literally powered through to the highest level you can go to and the exp and drops there were INSANELY GOOD. I can't remember but I think you were only aloud to do it once a day or a certain limit of tries before it locked you out and also I remember it was a great place to find high level clerics to buff you because cleric in my opinion was BUSTED you literally always had people running up to you and asking "pls buff" or fighting them in pvp was just impossible almost but it was such a fun game I remember going to weddings and when you finally fought you were to never areas and levels and suddenly you unlock a whole new MAIN market area where you would see mushroom houses selling stuff everywhere or players sending out wedding invitations or players proposing it was so nice and I don't like the tutorial of the new game I remember making my account and bam you're just there in town at the port and you run around the town exploring and you run into the forest and see your first enemies and you kill them and get some money and I remember getting my first gold coin I was so happy like "yes im finally making money" it was sucha rewarding feeling the new fiesta just seems to foreign and sad and im sure if the old fiesta was still a thing people would still actively play it. I loved slugging along in kindom quests with random people and slowly lvling up to be able to do new ones. I love the classic kingdom quest with the slime boss pretty sure its the first kingdom quest you do and I STILL have memories of running across that damn plank deck area on the pirate themed one

[@hilfee]

I am a Fiesta veteran and I agree with everything you've said so far. The game is awful in terms of optimization and the game is insanely repetitive and pay to win. You basically can't level up anymore without spending cash at some point and the repeat quests are so boring. You're better off playing Fiesta pserver honestly. The amount of pay to win is disgusting

[@Sebdxdx]

pservers actually good af

[@TheBrazilRules]

Actually, the reason why you 1 shot the slimes and mushrooms is because previously there was no tutorial, so the game would just dump you in the town after character creation

[@hayleygeek]

Honestly never heard of this. I just love your anger that slowly but continuously rises throughout this review 🤣

[@JoshStrifeHayes]

Glad you enjoyed the video hayley :)

[@countsaintgermain393]

I vaguely recognize the artstyle and remember some commercial for this game, with like some lame pirate being introduced. Anyone else remember that? Just curious

[@TheRenegadeOne]

Probably that one pirate/bandit girl - Mara, in Sand Beach / Sea of Greed. This game used to be cool like a decade ago... Remember hearing announcements about it on the radio, even showcasing the music. It had some nice jams and everything, a real nice community too. Even just the menu screen, seeing your characters chilling at the table, or staring into the distance of Roumen, as fireworks went off in the distance, or as it was night time, or just in broad daylight. It seemed so calm and serene. Sad to see what's become of it, even if it's kind of expectable.