Worst MMO Ever? - Hero Plus

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I could not think of a more generic title if you paid me.
Hero Plus is one of the games ever.
It is the exciting story of a man killing thousands of bandits with a powerful weapon.
I am writing this description as the video uploads and despitre having a spent two days playing the game and a third day editing this video, I cannot remember, or do not want to remember, any of the last 3 days.
Thank you to the supporters on Patreon, KZbin and twitch who keep the channel alive.

[@nervsouly]

Often times when Josh plays a "worst" MMO I'm thinking "hey - this ain't so bad". But THIS is not one of those times.

[@lethauntic]

I agree, though if an MMO is any less than stellar then I can't see spending hundreds or thousands of hours on it. So even decent MMOs are considered bad.

[@Jrock420blam]

I think the "not so bad" ones are few and kinda far between but some of them are particularly terrible lol

[@kyotheman69]

this game is bad, really bad, its basically more mediocre then Ubisoft open world games

[@belstar1128]

I have a feeling i would have still enjoyed this back in the 2000s

[@Jrock420blam]

@@kyotheman69 well no duh, mediocre for Ubisoft is still a masterpiece compared to 99% of MMOs. As bad as Ubisoft can be, that is only bad compared to other AAA devs or very very very good AA or indy games. compared to most other open world games , particularly MMOs they look brilliant. Kinda like the dumbest genius is still much much much smarter than the smartest invalid. There is still a huge IQ gap

[@svoloch125]

I see Josh has never interacted with a typical Wuxia / Xianxia story before, otherwise he would have been surprised that the "suggested ge--cide" have not hit double digits within first few hours and triple digits after first day of playing.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Yes magistrates do it Daily like it is bloody impact. Be good citizens or else!

[@paulmahoney7619]

@@TempoLOOKING Chao Ling takes power 247 million perish.

[@malibuhiegts]

That first quest description was an absolute masterpiece of abstract art

[@arthurbarbosa6849]

13:32

[@dreamhell2885]

its not a quest game, you only have to do like 3-5 quests durring lvl 1-200+

[@malibuhiegts]

Ten whole wharf pelts

[@dontdoitdan7965]

Im not gonna lie, the BEST PART about josh's videos at this point for me is how huge his support has become and how absolutely absurdly small the patron text has gotten

[@williek08472]

Agreed

[@kassar7146]

You like the fact he's leaching off stupid people while refusing to work a proper job and releasing mediocre videos that require no real skill or talent to make? Odd, but ok.

[@loopygordo]

I remember when it was perfectly readable. Went small real fast though lol.

[@c3ndreal]

someones jealous @@kassar7146

[@spinecho609]

It looks like the Vietnam War Memorial

[@jeremysmith4620]

I too am constantly trying to choose between murdering all the elders or wolf pelts. Never an easy choice.

[@MoxHex]

Wolves didn't ruin the economy, so ... grandma, get in the tar pit.

[@Gloriankithsanus]

@@MoxHex This gave me a really good laugh

[@stiriann]

the enemy laughter was singlehandedly the one thing about this video that truly broke me

[@Arigator2]

To be fair. If people laughed at me like that long enough I might seriously consider genocide.

[@krakraen343]

kinda sounds like homer

[@iller3]

*_Ehh HEH heh heh heh hehhhh_*

[@AdiG1]

*_HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE AHHHHHHHH_* [explodes into processed meat]

[@bender0428]

I have no idea how he legit played this for as long as he did hearing that the entire time lmfao.

[@rayrockrlol]

There is a portuguese global channel message at around 21:20 that says "My apologies for the clan federals because of the fight, and I'd like to say that being called a thief without being one would finish anyone."

[@snakewithapen5489]

"Sorry for punching you in the face bro but you said i'm a thief"

[@colindanger3396]

The “worst MMO” playlist doubles up as being both entertaining, but also bizarrely becomes my go-to playlist for listening to when I go to sleep Josh, why do you make me feel so safe?

[@Gary_a_normal_human_being]

It is indeed very relaxing

[@TheEtherGaming550]

You probably don't know how relatable is what you said my guy. I was wondering what to watch before going to sleep, but I couldn't find anything that would make me feel comfy, make me laugh, and don't be annoyingly noisy, then I thought about this series, and I wasn't wrong, it is perfect.

[@Wavezzzz601]

I genuinely listen to this as my go to when i go to sleep, then sometimes when I'm awake I can watch it again and still get new content because i haven't seen anything

[@introvertedzed]

Me too! I dont know why, but listening to Josh felt like listening to bed time stories... it's relaxing, it's soothing... Thanks Josh.

[@vewyscawymonsta]

​@@TheEtherGaming550Hey there. If you haven't already, you should check out Neebs Gaming. They're funny and make for great background just listening to them interact with each other.

[@Inzanepiratical]

I played this in my teens for about a week, and until today I had completely forgotten the NAME of the damn thing. I applaud your diligence for reminding me of some real dumpster game design.

[@Allthenameable]

SAME! I was JUST thinking about this game. I dont know why I had such fondness for this obviously horrible game.

[@Inzanepiratical]

@@Allthenameable Right?!? like I remember enjoying it to some degree as a time waster, but damn. The sound effects and laughter were giving me flashbacks.

[@lokasocba]

Me too. I could just remember a game with Chinse aesthetics where you could fight mounted and that was actually better than using your skills, even with a skill dependent class as Assassin. Now I'm left to find an MMO with robots extremely repetitive, where the game loop was: Go to a new zone, kill everything until you complete all the quests in the zone (all of them were kill x number of x enemy) and get you current level gear dropped from them. Return to the hub area to finish the quests. Repeat.

[@arthropodqueen]

i forgot the name halfway through the video

[@Whydoesthissitesuck]

How do you know it wasn't a different one?

[@lepidopterist3058]

The music restarting every time you hit back on the NPC's dialog box slayed me. That is truly A+ programming right there.

[@FeiFongWang]

No it's immersive see, he's a one-man band that forgets his place when talking and has to restart

[@lepidopterist3058]

@@FeiFongWang oh snap! I didn't even consider his backstory! The writers for the game are clearly on a while different level of brilliance! And... Also a really funny idea for a DnD bard character.

[@willn8664]

You mean C++ programming?...... Okay I'm done...

[@MyVanir]

@@willn8664 Given how bad it is, probably not.

[@Dailo_Ma]

I think that was a part when I've given up on having a normal day. Mind you I saw this video 10 minutes after waking up.

[@corbansaunders1204]

My favourite part of every video is the heavy sigh at the end of each review before saying thanks for watching. It's a well understood "finally its over" sigh that we can all relate to!

[@tvctaswegia497]

Weird l-loop looks like an attempt to differentiate visually from '1' in the font. Not sure this needed to happen but appreciate the effort. Keep up the great work Josh.

[@jroyalcrown]

Hero was actually the 1st MMO I ever played back from around 2003, I was so invested cuz my friends played it with me, the best thing that happened to me was getting hacked so I could stop playing

[@kalebelrod8161]

Honestly same, I had forgotten about this MMO. I think i played it in like 2005, and had crazy fond memories of it. So its hilarious to look back at it and see that it was entire childish acceptance of trash and wonder because 2005 was a wacky time. Im glad ive seen what has become of this game, and im glad to know i dont need to install it lmao.

[@High_Bread]

Blessing in disguise

[@imsleepy6211]

This is the best comment I’ve read all year

[@seifeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee]

I had the same experience in Metin2, specially the part where i got my f*king armado and 2 days later getting hacked. I was so pissed that I never played again thx god.

[@Mommy-Milkers]

I played this game way too much, before they reset the game and moved to Hero Plus.

[@coolbrotherf127]

At this point I'm pretty sure Josh has played more MMOs than any else in history, and he's a more broken man because of it.

[@pedrosilvamusician]

Would say the OG MMORPG youtubers played rather more, like MMOHut

[@Cenzurat]

Oh no, sadly I played almost everything there ever was. He's got ways to go into these old, obscure to the western audience, shitty mmos.

[@laowhy86]

What a gem of a channel. So glad I found it. I actually played this game about 15 years ago. Being very interested in China, there wasn’t much out there with the whole China vibe, so this was my thing for a year or so. Feeling like you’re zoning out while playing it is spot on. Such a good explanation. Thanks for bringing back these meaningless memories!

[@blurpsiez]

Holy cow! Didn't expect to found laowhy86 here

[@calebbuonamici9257]

Did not expect to see laowhy here lmao

[@MalumCaedo524]

I remember youuuuuu, China show

[@alexadastra3925]

wait what glad to see u here lol. Weird intersection but okay

[@H0tCh0c0-gr3qe]

what was your ign

[@rhyspatterson679]

Me imagining Josh practicing rolling mouse clicks like some high level parkour or American Gladiator stage only with a mouse in each hand. Josh takes my mind to the best places

[@homesteadlegion4419]

"The countryside must look like someone spend a week slapping sonic" had me in tears 😂😂😂

[@HeisenbergFam]

You know its spicy when Josh says he doesnt wanna remember 2 days playing this in description, thank you for your service

[@DrZaius3141]

And when he's so done with it all, he has two typos in said description.

[@BevinEG]

​@@DrZaius3141 Gonna cry?

[@Ryan50Ryan]

Truth

[@mousermind]

*it's spicy

[@visassess8607]

@@BevinEG If he won't cry then I will

[@_Vengeance_]

You: "Revive at safe zone" Game: "Safest I can do is 3 massively overleveled mobs"

[@digitalshoes5520]

the final comparison being so specific just to be revealed that it was a real experience you had with a chinese restaurant is 10/10, Josh. Great content as always.

[@matthewfifer6885]

A small tip for how to bring leftover chinese back to life, they tend to use heavy amounts of corn starch for thickening their sauces. While microwaving can correct the congealing to a point, it usually results in over/uneven heating for your dish. If possible (obviously you have to have access to this for it to work), place the food in a skillet on medium and add no more than 2-4 ounces of boiling water and stir frequently. This will liquify the sauce, and by the time the extra water cooks off, the food should be evenly heated through and the sauce back to the consistency it was when you ordered the food.

[@tanjastrau5925]

I did not expect to find a food life hack in Josh's comment section but this one will surely become handy at some point. Thank you matthew

[@ALittleKitten]

LOL

[@czarkusa2018]

On reading the first few words I was expecting this was a recipe for jiangshi

[@gazeffmhu2374]

tried it... and jesus christ it works!!🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@swedneck]

i tried this but he remains dead, does this only work on han chinese people?

[@kerascene5982]

Every time I think Josh has found the bottom of the barrel on this series it just turns out he's drilled through into a new barrel that's even bigger

[@auroraborealis7338]

I think he ran out of barrels a while ago and is just digging deeper in the ground xD

[@KarmikCykle]

It's barrels all the way down.

[@gazeffmhu2374]

his drill is the drill that will Pierce the bottom of hell ! .....and keep going😂

[@dartnephilim8717]

Josh: the music has changed to light rock. A 2 minute ad immediately starts with only music and I had no idea an ad began.

[@ZazooEel57]

Your analogy at the beginning is perfect. I didn't look at the title of the video and thought this was Metin 2 again 😂

[@anickchose8114]

"The plot thickens, or gets murkier depending on how you're looking at it" is a genius line

[@TheAoalec14]

Genius line to open a chapter 2

[@elzed2667]

Sounds like something that would be in a Discworld book

[@gazeffmhu2374]

​@@elzed2667OMG A DISCWORLD FAN and yeah definetly sounds like something from them 😅 i can see two flower appearing out of nowhere before this line

[@EJ_Red]

Watching this video makes it feel like Josh unlocked his third eye but blinded it immediately because he didn't want to know more about this game

[@terribletommy01]

This video has revived some memories from 15-16 years ago.. When this game was actually nice. Im honestly surprised people still play this lol. Well thanks for the walk down the memory lane o/

[@StephanMusic]

this was the first MMORPG i ever played in my life. played it for YEARS back then on an old 256 mb dell desktop lol. Oh the memories I used to love this game.. go sooo far end game, was in the top shao guild at the time.. looking back its insane i was that addicted lol

[@popelipo6281]

One of these days Josh will cover FLYFF on this series and I will have all my early pre-teen nostalgia shattered and I am gonna love every second of it.

[@ZorotheGallade]

I hope he covers Atlantica Online. There's a ton of meat to unpack in that one.

[@Eta_Hoyimi]

lol Flyff has aged like warm milk, I used to play it obsessively when I was young so it'll be a treat when he finally subjects himself to it.

[@hjalfi]

He did mention it in his Bottom 10 video (it came in at #10). kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5KlYqlvfdKIpZI

[@popelipo6281]

@@hjalfi i vaguely remember him mentioning it. Still would like a full video dedicated to it though

[@ZorotheGallade]

@@hjalfi Oh, I completely missed that one.

[@gingja]

My dog did not like that enemy laughing. She got up and looked concerned before walking quickly to the bedroom 😂

[@Lexelot.]

Love the videos -- Another MMO to add to your list that is extremely obscure but holds a dear place in my heart. Clan Lord from Delta Tao was released back in 1998 and was my first MMO experience before hopping over to UO and EQ. Still running to this day with some people that have been on since 1998!

[@anakoART]

I love that for each video in the series, you give the main theme that's recurring once a few minutes (here it's Chinese takeaway, being a teacher in another, etc). :D Something that makes me look forward to each next video, even if the game itself doesn't look that interesting. And your voice is so soothing, lol.

[@MoxHex]

While the game was shut down, Wildstar had one of the best beginner experiences. You feel accomplished when you level and the announcer screaming "F*ck yeah, you leveled" was a nice touch.

[@quilynn]

"Oh shit, you leveled up! Way to go, cupcake!" And I think every level had a different over-the-top voice clip.

[@hipdrive]

Sounds cringe

[@rabpanz6145]

I loved that the level 50 one was something like "Hey, neato! ....what, they can't all be fucking winners."

[@AvauntVanguard]

My brother loved Wildstar and played a ton of it back in the day. He's still salty.

[@-baldvegeta]

I killed one monster and uninstalled

[@fernandocarmo532]

You are a saint for playing a game like this for so many hours LOL I would have quit in a few minutes.

[@BevinEG]

Seconds.

[@modkhi]

i would have deleted it when i saw the 87 consecutive patches lol

[@screenshotsinmotion7763]

Hi JSH, Here's a good compliment for you: I have almost no interest in MMO's, but I've watched a bunch of your videos. You have a great voice and sense of humor.

[@rosalindcormier4384]

Same here

[@Minihood31770]

The wide meter killed me.

[@kilikx1x]

For the record, Phantasy Star Universe did "personal offline shops" pretty well. You search for what you want and then select one of the available options, then you go to that players in-game house and buy the item from a personalized stall inside their house. Its actually really neat and I would love for other games to do that sort of auction house system.

[@Karaksonen]

I cannot possible put into words to describe just how much i want this system for Path of Exile.

[@pillbox2235]

ooh, i've actually been playing psuc with some friends recently, crazy that someone would mention the game here

[@kilikx1x]

@@JeffHikari OK? But I specifically mentioned PSU not PSO2. They are different games. I am fully aware that PSO2 and by extension PSO2:NG have a more traditional auction house system but that wasn't what the comment was about.

[@kilikx1x]

@@Karaksonen Maybe in PoE2.. we can only hope.

[@zeening]

star wars galaxies had pretty much the exact same system but in 2000-2004 lol and people and guilds could buy a big building from an architect player and then could setup a literal mall inside and have a bunch of people's vendors there, made finding good crafted stuff soooo easy and could search items on any planet from any of the galactic trade networks

[@kampinkarl48]

For your comment on chinese food. I once ordered chinese food from a restaurant that had closed down. The number got transferred over to a new chinese restaurant and we used the old restaurant's website to order from them without any issues. Took us about an hour to figure this out and go to the right place to ger our food. This also happened on Halloween for bonus spoopy points.

[@Whydoesthissitesuck]

Chinese food on Halloween just hits different

[@sauliusnazarovas9162]

Hero Online was the first MMORPG I played and one of the first online games I played. Back then I didnt even know how to properly browse the web so naturally I thought that Hero Online was one of the best games ever. Remember reaching level 65 out of a 100 which was max level.

[@chellybub]

If I didn't know you played OSRS, I would definitely know it after that death run. That fortitude and tenacity you showed is a telltale sign of a Scaper. Love your work Josh, not enough to give you money... But let's not muck around that Patreon list is big enough that people like me can just enjoy your work. So thanks to the patrons as well, you're all wonderful people ❤

[@user-se3sc8gl7c]

Every time I hear "Behold! Combat!" JSH becomes the centre of my attention (first monitor content), it's funny every time.

[@helendegenerate7308]

I remember playing this game 10+ years ago I remember a patch that took out critical hit animations and made the hits cycle 1 to 3 instead as silly as that is that took a huge amount of quality out of the gameplay for me. Turns out that was just the start. I do have fond memories of this game though and the town theme plays in my head rent free.

[@lethauntic]

This is what I'm talking about, people saying how the devs ruined the game even though it was probably not ever that good to begin with. Maybe it was better and they made it much worse, but I'm just gonna say that the bar seems pretty low.

[@belstar1128]

@@lethauntic All mmorpgs where good before 2010 yes all of them.

[@LikaLaruku]

In a couple of years, this game will turn 20. Let's all feel old together.

[@strechemall]

​@@belstar1128FACTS

[@dreamhell2885]

nah its a frreakin good game @@lethauntic

[@Vernelith]

I would like to see Josh play and comment on an oldie (but not goodie anymore) - Rappelz. I used to love that game, although it looks terrible compared to some newer ones. The one thing I loved the most about it is the one thing that no other MMO ever tried to replicate (as far as I know) - a huge and insanely developed pet system. You can tame almost any monster in the game, level them up, gear them, upgrade them, fuse them to get stronger versions and so on. They also change their looks upon upgrading. This system is truly awesome and I would love to see a new game some day that has a system like that, developed to similar extend. Also, as the pet system is the focus of the game, you also have pet-focused character classes, that have skills allowing them to tame pets easier and level them faster. It used to be such a cool and unique game, I get so sad thinking about it's wasted potential.

[@Spiritbgx]

Oh man i played this game back in the day. I have soooo many stories about it. I was there almost at the start, through P2W introduction, major game changes and eventually left when it was P2W or you dont get any progress. If any 1 is interested i can answer questions if anyone has any.

[@timogul]

Man, I miss when MMOs made you stand around for ten minutes after each fight to recover HP. No, wait, that was never even once a good thing.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Hydride.

[@AxeGaijin]

10 minutes? Son you had it good, back in my day it would take 20 minutes at least! With meditation skill! Through 10 feet of snow! Up hill! Both ways!

[@jonathanalexander9881]

Perfect World did this but that game was actually kinda...good😅

[@MaakaSakuranbo]

It's a good thing if the MMO has good healer classes. Encourages grouping

[@deliverer4689]

​@@TempoLOOKING peak Hydelide gaming

[@bananagher7555]

Hero Online was one of the MMOs I spent the most time playing during my teenage years, I can't tell you how long I waited to see it in this series tbh.

[@DCUOArsenic]

Just last week I was talking with my bro and trying to explain this game without knowing it’s name to see if he remembered it. Now here we are 😂. I honestly remember this game fondly. Different times. Literally you could play a new mmo every week. There were so many in those days. Remember downloading a different one and playing it with my best friend each week. Games like Lunia or flyff, Dekaton, Ran Online. Those were the times.

[@blackfistdeath1]

Please don’t tell me you are that guy with 2700 hours of play time…😐

[@LikaLaruku]

I'd ask him to do Holic Online, but it was shut down almost a decade ago.

[@zeening]

@@DCUOArsenic that sounds fucking awful lol, "you could play sooo many F- mega flop Z tier mmos and new ones every week!!" fucking why!?!?!?!!?!!? why wouldnt you just play wow or like..... literally any game that's not like THIS in the video lmaoooo jeeez man

[@ledumpsterfire6474]

@@DCUOArsenic Not to mention all the (mostly terrible) Korean offerings, like GunZ, Space Cowboy, Silk Road, etc.

[@thomasgreenwood3560]

Your videos are such a high standard. It says a lot that I have little interest in mmos these days but am excited when you upload. Hilarious as well :)

[@ShakouTheWolf]

A nice little touch this game had, was when you upgraded your weapons and armor (+1 +2 +3 etc) They gained a certain shine and color, you could tell by looking at another player, how far their stuff was upgraded by the color and reflective shine on their plates, blades, and armour.

[@Tzar-TZ]

im curious if one day you will finish this series with a video that actually finally tells us the answer to the question in the title

[@KingofAllThatIsMostlyBlue]

Fiesta

[@LG1ikLx]

I hope not. We wouldn't get no more Worst MMO videos 🥺

[@KianaWolf]

Remember the Simpsons quote: "The worst day of your life _so far."_ It's kinda like that. There can't be a true worst MMO ever, only a _current_ worst MMO ever. (And Fiesta is still holding that title.)

[@cassiohenrique6815]

@@KianaWolf Wait, wasn't it Bloodlines of Prima? Did Fiesta take its title?

[@KianaWolf]

@@cassiohenrique6815 Fiesta took the title. And got the hilarious score of "The worst I can give: Fiesta Online / 10."

[@starmanda88]

I discovered you about a month ago, and since then I’ve binged every single video you’ve made 😃 my joy when I saw this pop up today! Keep up the great work, love a very tired mom.

[@anaguma90]

very tired dad here also loving josh's content

[@fnerXVI]

Now go make a play date for your children :P

[@NeoAstrisk]

Very tired child also taking $5 from your wallets.

[@TheThunderwesel]

I really hope you eventually try the mmos of my childhood even though im not 100% sure they still exist. Shaiya and TwelveSky2 are games that i spent many many many a sleepless night in front of as a young buck and itd be awesome to see how they hold up now

[@godk0ng]

Absolutely loving this series! As someone who has played a lot of mmos (or so I thought), it has been both entertaining and... heartwrenching. One "gem" that I have great nostalgia for was Silkroad Online, from Joymax. Would love to see that in the playlist if you feel like continuing to hurt yourself.

[@YokeTB]

Same... And scions of fate would be great

[@thomascaldicott7821]

just wanna say josh, thank you for these videos, they kept me focused during my final project for my final year at university, keep up the amazing work

[@TempoLOOKING]

Your project is on bad mmos?

[@lethauntic]

With old MMOs like this people tend to say that it used to be amazing, but then the devs sold out or ruined the game with monetization or terrible updates or whatever. But did they ever stop to think that maybe the game was just never good? Maybe it was better back in the day... Eh, I don't know, there are times when I can believe that to a degree, but there are also times when I think that our standards are just higher. That or they didn't know any better. It's like if you play a game as a kid, then go back later in life thinking "WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU?!", when let's be honest, there may be some rosy glasses in play. This looks terrible and unlike old games that are still fun to play today, this "design" aged so badly that I think it was served spoiled.

[@tzxazrael]

many of them, well... it wasn't AS BAD, and we weren't AS experienced or as smart either. "low standards" and "nostalgia" have made so many games feel like they were "great", even though it's been 20 years since you last loaded it up and if you tried today you'd have to swear they sold out or something. (assuming it's even still running...)

[@Aurirang]

I used to play a game called 'Nostale'. It was/is a cutesy anime-inspired game (Your first main questgiver is a catgirl) where you can choose between three classes (Mage, ranger, Warrior) and go off to the merry adventure. On the journey, you could unlock 'SP' wich were transformation into more specific classes, like Ninja for Warriors or Holy, fire, ice or dark mage for mage. Looking back, i've mainly played the game for the community. It was atrociously grindy (lvl cap was 100, th highest back then barely got to 93 and that was our local no-lifer) and they eventually introduced purchasable and tradeable! crafting materials (completely destroying the ingame market that way). They also opened a pvp-area, which quickly devolved into a 'let's switch to one faction and bully everybody that hasn't'-type of thing, making it damn annoying to actually do the main quest in that area. Next area was marketed as 'accessible for nonp2w'-players, as people were worried. It got out and a non p2w-player either had to pray to fortuna for being lucky with equipment and job-upgrades or be patient enough to spend kiting every single enemy around. They also added new jobs, which made older ones completely obsolete, insetad of adding anto them. That was the point i did quit. Sold my stuff/gave it to still playing friends and uninstalled.

[@dieyng]

It's not really about standards. Ten years ago, a game had nice graphics, was on par with most other games and had a living community, so you liked it. A decade passes and graphics and gameplay are antiquated, the community is mostly gone, and the game has been monetized to the death. Of course, you could say that this means games today have higher standards, but it's more that hardware and options have improved so games are different. There are many, many old games, who had simple, yet effective gameplay which were a lot of fun to play, a game today, just because it offers more options and looks better, is not necessary a better game, if the core principle of the older game still works better.

[@euchale]

People were really surprised when I said I had no interest in going back to classic Wow. WoW became good with BC/WotLK imo, before that was probably great for people with Nostalgia glasses, but I always hated not being able to swap my Specs on the fly.

[@DuskEalain]

@@euchale Funny story! I was part of the Classic WoW launch party, and personally agree with you that BC and WotLK was when WoW became good, but the launch was a buggy, laggy mess where players were grouping up not out of desire but because that was the only way to beat the crowd and progress in the starting zone. Disgruntled, I put into chat "so how long do you think it'll take for us to realize this wasn't actually as good as we remembered?" and I got THOROUGHLY mocked for that statement... and then Molten Core was cleared in less than a day, bots ran rampant, and the vanilla Classic WoW servers laid mostly barren.

[@ricardosavagestrike]

I remember playing this game almost 20 years ago. Absolutely baffled some form of it is still around; specially one that has changed so little since its Inception. 😂

[@sashacrossi]

that little comment about player stalls brought me right back to Aura Kingdom. I actually think they did the whole personal shop thing pretty well in that game. Me and my friends actually always found it pretty nice and relaxing passing the stall areas and just browsing around. Granted the German community was pretty small in its core so you knew most of the players there, so that probably added to the fun of it. But it was also just a nice way to earn money while you were away and sometimes if the people behind the stalls weren't afk I was able to bargain with them. Your character would be sitting there as well on a form of carpet if I remember correctly, which made the stall Area in Navea feel like a friendly, tight knit Bazaar. AK was never a truly great game, but our core playerbase really made it something special. I really do miss that game. Nothing has come close to that feeling of community since then. And now I am getting nostalgic again, thanks Hero Plus.

[@lordgates9180]

My goodness, this looked simultaneously nostalgic and nightmarish. Funny video. Unwanted Info: Wuxia is phonetically woo - sha.

[@vinapocalypse]

More like 'woo-shya' but its forgivable he mispronounced it, it's not terribly common in English. I like hearing Brits mispronounce foreign words, especially basic ones, like 'pasta' as 'pass-tuh' and 'jalapeño' as 'jah-la-pee-no'

[@ravenanne1734]

​@@vinapocalypse I mean a lot of the time there just straight up isn't an equivalent vowel sound in their dialect, here in New Zealand we have an E sound that Americans don't have, so they just straight up misidentify it as other vowels. Like the whole "six" and "sex" or "dick" and "deck" jokes. They're completely different sounds but because our Es used in these words higher, shorter, and sharper than American vowels, the closest equivalent to them is i so they get confused. I might myself be pronouncing Jalapeno wrong but I know almost certainly the vowel sounds we use to pronounce it in New Zealand are vowel sounds America doesn't have, and probably Britain neither.

[@beetlefiend6521]

17:53 my cats totally freaked out at the enemy laughing, both looked up and ran away from me 💀

[@TheDogFacedGamer]

I have now basically binge watched every single one of the videos in this playlist and let me start by saying MMOs are pretty much at the bottom of my list of games I enjoy to play. I used to enjoy them but stopped about 15 years ago. However, after watching these videos I did get the itch to try some out and have enjoyed Runescape and Guild Wars 2 quite a bit. Even so I really wish MMOs still had the communities that they used to enjoy. Asking questions in the chat generally gets you told to check the wiki, or...OR they use some kind of game specific shorthand that makes absolutely no sense to a new player. Neither of those two things equate to a player sticking around long enough to really get into a game. It's weird.

[@Catman_CM]

The "enemy laughing" sound clip spooked my napping kitty. Well played, Josh. Well played.

[@mrmatejator]

This game is work of art. You can not get anything so comically bad even if you tried xD

[@lethauntic]

@Tazdingo Hey, man, that downplays the pure beauty of Ex-Arm. I'm not sure if any game can truly match it's... Quality.

[@BigPuddin]

​@@lethauntic Sir, you hesitated there lol.

[@SimuDan]

If by art you mean handing a child a paint brush and getting them to flick it toward the canvas. You might be half right.

[@LikaLaruku]

To be fair, this game is 17 years old.

[@LikaLaruku]

Then again, Morrowind is older than this & looked & functioned better.

[@mckdogdrums3543]

The graphics on this look heavily inspired from a real time strategy game I found in a $10 bin over 2 decades ago at EB Games called Battle Realms. I must play that again .. thanks for the inspiration Josh lol.

[@onlyinsomniac]

They're likely Warcraft-inspired. Lots of games around the time copied a similar aesthetic and UI :)

[@GeorgeMonet]

Every PC game from that time period looked like that because that is where the technology was.

[@LikaLaruku]

2 decades ago seems about right.

[@mckdogdrums3543]

@@LikaLaruku hahahaha

[@chrispalmer8994]

Massive fun of this series Josh!! I think I have found a great MMO for you to cover on this channel! Dragon Ball Online Global.. An mmorpg based on Dragon Ball. Hope to see a video soon thanks!!

[@GuardianSeyden]

19:04 That line absolutely killed it, I laughed for 2 minutes straight and had to go back to hear what actually comes after.

[@meowcat64]

I'm working on an RPG (non mmo though) and this worst mmo series is really useful for learning what not-to-do lol, I've really been enjoying the series and have been taking notes on many of your critiques and ideas

[@diablolrm90]

Games like these make me feel quite a bit of nostalgia. Reminds me of the pre-2010 days where F2P MMOs were everywhere. 2Moons, 9Dragons, Jade Dynasty, Conquer Online, Twelve Sky, Deicide, Cabal, Knight Online, Mu, Metin2, Rappelz, and many others that I can't remember. They were pretty shit of course, as seen in reviews by Josh, but it was my childhood. Simpler times.

[@Blackadder75]

Why would anyone play those in times when WOW was still great / decent?

[@Kenpokid4]

@@Blackadder75 They were free and had very lightweight downloads. Or the European high fantasy vibe wasn't for them.

[@loveisinportant5570]

The setting up of shops whilst offline reminded me of Dofus. Now I want to play Dofus again. (I quite liked the offline shops in that game. They're fun to browse and certain items can't be sold on the auction houses.)

[@DimebagHetfield696]

Now THIS is the 2nd monitor content I've signed up for. Much love Josh, looking forward to more great vids!

[@hurtigheinz3790]

26:08min What a great sentence! "Here is your reward! Be able to use our ingame shop!" Masochist:"Finaly!"

[@Jixxor]

What a ride. I never expected that I'd be able to look down on other MMO players as a former Silkroad Online player myself, but here I am being utterly confused why someone would play this absurd mess of a game.

[@Drothen-]

Gave Silkeoad few good years… and loved every moment

[@NotoriousLightning]

This is great game for heavy handed gentleman. Geod.

[@Darknessfell92]

Man I spent years playing this game about 18 years ago. Kinda felt nostalgic watching it here 😅. Too bad it doesn't have a mac version, I'd play it a little more just for old times sake

[@YokeTB]

My childhood is crying... You earned a subscription 😂 Please can you do "Scions of fate" from the same game developers. And also "Silkroad Online"?

[@YokeTB]

And also "Ruff rose online", i think today maybe it goes by the name "Rose online". Its a chaos mix of colors and girly cute enemies

[@thomasb1521]

A few months ago I found your video "what's wrong with gaming", I put it in my watch later and forgot about it. Earlier today I was looking through my watch later and watched that video, it was so good I subscribed immediately. Now I'm here watching this hugely entertaining video and the best part is, I don't even like playing mmo's.

[@alkebulanawah4242]

Game NPC: "Wow you already came" JSH: I'm playing to escape reality not be reminded of it

[@ANALFISTINGVAN]

Well, i came in you. What now

[@1996Horst]

The guy with 2700h on record wrote that review after playing the game for 2.7h.... and this somehow makes it worse

[@IAmKnightsDawn]

In Hero Online i have an armor set called the Thunder God set. Its level 1 and the equivalent of level 85 armor. Absolutely crazy.

[@kavicorben1777]

Josh having to explain, step by step, that he cannot feed a dead horse nearly had me ugly-laughing at work. You know. Like a horse.

[@De_Wit]

Been binge watching old episodes of this series last week...sound quality really went up through time. Smashing good conted sir.

[@samvimes9510]

13:36 that is the strangest enemy spawn I have _ever_ seen. Slow down the video speed and watch for the bandit that spawns on the left, closest to the chat box. He spawns lying down on his face and quickly rotates upward into a standing position. You can see other ones in the background doing that too.

[@fratercontenduntocculta8161]

I'm flabbergasted that this channel doesn't have at least a million subs, you sure as hell deserve more Josh! Your presentation is always top notch.

[@dieyng]

He grew quite fast, then he took an arrow to the knee. In other words, he stopped putting out content almost completely for a few months, right after some of his most successful videos, and that definitely cost him a lot of momentum.

[@hommefataltaemin]

@@dieyng does anyone know why he suddenly stopped posting anyway??

[@JustMortHandle]

Ahhh, I remember playing this back in 2007-2009, when it was called "Hero Online". My parents wouldn't pay for WoW, so in order to play an mmorpg with my friends, we had to find one that was free. This was probably one of the best ones we could find at the time, and we did play it alot. However, RoM popped up around that same time period, and we decided to hop over there instead. Personally I wanted to play RS, but my friends just didn't want to, so we had to find a "WoW-like" game.

[@strechemall]

Wow I played HO for that exact same reason and during those same years(06-09) for me lol. I also played the hell out of Rumble Fighter and Maple Story at the time too.

[@cfehunter]

Reminds me of Silk Road (the game, not dark web ebay). I think part of the reason these Chinese MMO RPGs set in China feel very similar is the overt Three Kingdoms influence. They're drawing deeply from the same well and it shows.

[@foxrings]

Josh, I'm so glad you suffered through as much on this as you did. The comedy it provided is platinum tier.

[@Thepowerki]

Josh these videos are amazing love them! When are you trying out Flyff!! I need one of these for that game so bad😂

[@RIlianP]

Nameless means you got no nickname, which is common in the wuxia genre, with fame comes the alias, like Poison Fang Xiao or Chen of the Slayer of hundred Men, it possibly comes from completing quest lines

[@ccgamerlol]

this was my suggestion! thanks! this is my first mmorpg, i have massive nostalgia goggles for it. sometimes i hear those laughs in my sleep. I enjoy it bcuz its very simple, compared to every other mmorpg, you grind, you get better gear, you upgrade the gear, whoever plays the most is the most powerful, kinda like classic wow used to be, same release year with WoW btw.

[@xiaofanchuanart]

Just thought I'd clarify. The reason there is so much genocide is because Josh selected the "evil" character faction. The "straight lines" faction is good and the "squiggly lines" is evil. That gave me a good chuckle xD

[@Vaalok]

This series is cool, I used to hop try a lot of free mmos back in the day and it is a good time one that I played here. One that stuck with me is a french mmo called "Dofus" and it was my first mmorpg. The game is still up 20 years later and I still come back every other year. I am curious what is the new player experience and outside France. I find it quite unique, I feel it has something that other mmos don't have.

[@user-ck7tg1dq9y]

I remember Dofus! Yeah, when I was little and broke, my bar for a playable mmo was "is it free?".

[@AIexRAwesome]

Regarding the north and south map thing, this also happens one place in runescape (at least runescape 3, but the area is so old it might be the same for osrs). The fremmenik slayer cave is both entered and exited to the east

[@geminimojo8019]

There is a fairly newish mmo that I tried called Eternal Kingdom Battle Peak. I've tried to be easy on them cause I know games can get better, but I think it would be in your wheelhouse if you need more games for this series.

[@eerieentity2746]

Believe it or not back in 2007 and then for around 4 years after, before they decided to rework the combat into what it is today, the game was actually really good. It had the most in-depth pet system, combat was fast, you could fly (without a mount) heck even the store was full of cosmetics and no p2w. Then after the rework, class build variability was removee, they added store pets and mounts which were times and times better than what a hunter could tame. Keep in mind hunter was able to tame mounts and combat pets for the rest of the classes too. Then something snapped in NetGame and they changed it all, now the fastest way to level up is to enter a duel with a high level player and kill them in exchange for gold and within hours you can reach 100+, somwthing that in 4 years of playing the game, the highest level player we had was 78. I guess it's unheard of games to drastically rework their combat within 4-5 years of release, but they did it and not for the better.

[@theatomiclizard452]

One of your best videos I've seen in a while. The humor was spot on.

[@velybear]

this is exactly the kind of game i love seeing you talk about

[@assistantref5084]

Master Physician Bong alone gives this game a place in the annals of MMO history.

[@Omnicide101]

36:20 Damn I can't believe you got Potion Seller'd

[@vincentvangoatse2962]

Josh sounds like he's one step removed from a psychotic break by the end of the video. It's incredible.

[@Wulfspyder]

I think the episodes should end with Josh putting the mmo on a tier list with the range from "Good" down to "God why"

[@G33KSP34K]

Hayes, We love you for enduring these adventures so we don't have to :D Much love and gratitude for all your content.

[@larvasupershow]

The music restarting every time you hit back on the NPC's dialog box slayed me.

[@RiDaku]

I'm 2 minutes 50 seconds in and I'm already giggling myself to tears at his sarcasm