Worst PHEV design ever: Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee 4xe | Auto Expert John CAdogan

[@davidwatt7663]

“You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off “ with apologies to The Italian Job 😂😂

[@Veeger]

Should be, "You're not supposed to blow the bloody garage doors off"😲

[@tomparker5000]

The irony that the closing credits had the song "self preservation society", when we're doing everything we can to blow ourselves up

[@davidecampana9614]

Una persona con il stemma Mercedes appeso non può essere preso in considerazione 🙈🙈🙈 Classe G elettrico cosa ne pensi 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marcusaureliusanonymous]

New Jeep cars to be launched: Jeep grenadier Jeep bombardier

[@johntilsley9111]

Wonder if the folks that build that Defender copy now regret calling it the Grenader?

[@kadmow]

- #TSLA Did after all also launch a roadster- It will likely be the last roadster still "flying" in a few more centuries.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

Grenadier is taken by ineos. Pretty cool tractors if you ask me.

[@bcluett1697]

Jeep Flare might be a choice. Should come with a free gasmask and a tool kit for prying apart what's left to sling it in a dumpster. Ohhh Jeep Dumpster. They provide the fire later.

[@mymingyen]

The New Jeep Claymore. Ka-booom.

[@kellyblack4897]

Jeep, and Dodge in general, come directly from the factory with second hand electrical problems. So, them building an entirely electrical vehicle is just terrifying to start with.

[@xpusostomos]

@@kellyblack4897 what kind of electrical problems? You'd think at this point in history everyone could figure out the basics of automotive electrics

[@allangibson8494]

@@xpusostomosJeep has a history of making the most unreliable vehicles manufactured outside Russia.

[@junkmangeorge6363]

@@xpusostomos They cheeped out on the electrical distribution/computer crap, clearly taking good Bosch designs and putting them out to tender, letting the lowest bidder supply them. The circuit boards, out in the elements, in plastic boxes, without the customary protective varnish coatings, just waiting to get you. Combine that with these pieces being obsoleted in 3 years (or just when they will start to give troubles) leaves the junkyards full of their crap vehicles with nothing wrong with them other than they are no longer reliable.

[@seaeagles6025]

Driving a Car these days is like a Box of Chocolate's, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOUR GOING TO GET. Another nice one John.

[@matttheroux4769]

I agree with you 100% when you buy a new car these days you never know if you're going to get a total lemon or a car that is great to you. I bought a brand new car where the engine started to knock at 3,000 MI so I got rid of it and traded it in in now this one's at almost 60,000 MI and it's been good to me. But yes you never know what you're going to get

[@jimmymac4559]

You should know exactly what you’re going to get if you buy electric.

[@seaeagles6025]

@@matttheroux4769 Well said, it's like Russian Roulette, the luck of the draw, or the unlucky draw. 🚗

[@deanmason5827]

Well most of those chocolates are going to have half of a worm, just you will find out to late.

[@YZJB]

John’s going to love the grammar of this comment

[@FunTravel-jm9ss]

Have replaced plenty of capacitors in white goods / clothes dryers etc that have blown a molten mix of cathode and anode material out the side, I imagine for a similar reason of dielectric / insulator layer failure. Throw your bath towels in the Jeep for that warm soft and fluffy feel 👍🏼

[@xpusostomos]

Porsche, Audi and Jeep batteries being recalled... It's almost as if this isn't ready for prime time

[@Kingofthehill84]

EVs come with self recycle 😅😂

[@dinobot_maximize]

@@Kingofthehill84 you get off the lot and are called back to recycle instantly

[@allangibson8494]

In other news Jeep has an open recall on their ICE vehicles due to fires… (Jeep Wranglers manufactured between 2020 and 2023)… The fire risk is due to fuel tanks getting ruptured due to a too long bolt in the chassis…

[@steveanderson9290]

ROFL on the hard top removal! Back when I was in my 20s I developed a way to remove the injection molded (heavy!) hardtop from my '79 CJ-7 by myself. It involved bending double in the bed, standing still bent over, and duck walking off the tailgate with it on my back. It could have qualified as an Olympic sport.

[@xpusostomos]

@@steveanderson9290 ha, I think I've heard of that. My recollection is jeep roofs in general are a pain in the ass, quite apart from the weight of the hard version. I always thought it was cool they were the one company that retained that feature when guys like land Rover dropped it, but a missed opportunity to make it easy.

[@Davin4xe]

I did that with the TJ

[@steveanderson9290]

@@Davin4xe Oye!

[@jensberkan3287]

total amount of combustible gas released, when the entire battery propagates thermally is about 11m3 of venting gas (@RT), of which approx 20% is CO and 20% is H2... that's quite an impressive camp fire.

[@GuitarsRockForever]

That's very impressive explosive device. Wondering what the EV cult would try to whitewash this crap.

[@xpusostomos]

@@jensberkan3287 Jeep Hindenburg

[@TheWombat2012]

Fire authorities have said that nearly all ICE car fires are arson, followed by a small number after accidents. The rest are electrical faults or mechanical faults like split fuel lines in older cars. ICE cars can have some spectacular crashes and still don’t burst into flames. Cars can be almost demolished and still don’t burn. EV’s can just be sitting in the driveway and combust.

[@Noah_E]

I had a car hit in the rear quarter panel by a drunk, essentially a PIT maneuver at 60 mph. My car bounced off a large tree going backwards, ricocheted off several smaller trees, and rolled through a fence caving in the roof, and landed on all fours so hard it flattened the oil pan. I had to crawl out the hole where the back window used to be because the doors were pinned shut. No fluids were spilled and there was no fire. I can't imagine the horror of having that accident in an EV.

[@gegwen7440]

In all those shite Hollywood movies “all” the cars burst into flames once they are in a little crash, now those movie people would never lie would they (?).

[@allangibson8494]

The majority of EV fires are arson. ICE Jeeps have also been catching fire (due to leaking fuel tanks).

[@allangibson8494]

@@Noah_EFirstly Tesla’s have been driven of 200ft cliffs (deliberately) with no casualties and no fire…

[@jaysdood]

​@@gegwen7440They weren't lying, they were just being future focused by putting EVs in their movies 😉

[@smokeyrandy7572]

I wish the Mexican Weather Lady had the same lighting and crisp 4k resolution as my Automotive News section......

[@tonydean7543]

If reliability was directly linked to the number of moving parts then software such as windows would never go wrong - right?😂

[@xpusostomos]

Well... When windows goes wrong you don't typically take your computer to the dump, you install an update and move on

[@peeemm2032]

Yep - only a few moving parts, but thousands and thousands of battery cells, connectors, circuit boards, electronic components etc. etc. A lot of people don't seem to realise that a part doesn't have to be mechanical to fail......

[@tonydean7543]

@@xpusostomos Unless you are installing 24H2 update, in which case you either have to fudge it or take your old computer to the dump 😂

[@RodneyW]

The second edition of Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at any speed" could be called "Unsafe to park in your garage".

[@allangibson8494]

Jeep ICE vehicles also have a fire safety recall (due to leaking fuel tanks).

[@RodneyW]

@@allangibson8494 Are you referring to the Wrangler recall where an unused frame stud may cause a tank leak in an accident? That's pretty bad, and a poor reflection of Stellantis / Jeep quality control, but... at least if you park it in your garage... it won't spontaneously combust!

[@allangibson8494]

@@RodneyW If your fuel tank is leaking it will fill the garage with explosive gasoline vapor that will ignite when you turn a light on in the morning and take your whole house down. Car fuel tanks are safe because they are above upper explosive limit when the tank is warmer than -40 degrees. (The whole shot to the fuel tank explosion only works in extreme freezing conditions). Leaking fuel tanks are “bad news”.

[@RodneyW]

@@allangibson8494 If your fuel tank is leaking, it will be because you had an accident.... in which case your car will be getting repaired. You might also smell the vapiours. Petrol has a pretty distinct odour.

[@allangibson8494]

@@RodneyW No, Jeeps for example have a design fault where they put a too long bolts in and it wears through the fuel tank in service. Wear related failures happen (and the prismatic battery failures appear to be examples of this). Basically the bad design a number of companies are known for being played out in a new technology…

[@tooltime9260]

This is good for Toyota in that they were "late" in putting lithium batteries in their vehicles. Now, they're putting Ni-Mh back into some, probably for just this main reason (?). The Ni-Mh also is more temperature resistant to hot and cold and it doesn't explode. It's obviously less energy dense, but it's also a lot safer and a bit more robust in temperature swings. In our '13 Prius, we had zero problems with the Ni-Mh battery and it held up just fine. We weren't losing sleep because it was a little bit heavier and had a bit less electrical power. Great car.

[@operation4wheelz]

Stelantis seriously f’d themselves pursuing the electrification. Just on the battery location, being an off-road focused vehicle, protecting the battery from the underbody is vital, otherwise it goes boom with a decent hit.

[@trainwreckinadumpsterfire]

The battery *is* the underbody baseplate... What could possibly go wrong?

[@johnwade1095]

Great Wall called. they said "hold my beer"

[@QRCoal]

Hey John there were plenty of dead Ev's at Broken Hill this week. The place seem to run out of electricity.

[@chrishewitt1165]

I think I'd prefer the pinto. It's a shame that one of the moving parts is the roof in the upwards direction

[@liberty0758]

Porsche and Audi are advising customers who bought their Taycan and E-Tron shitboxes not to charge them over 80%, due to a risk of a "thermal event". Fix is coming, but not before early 2025. #itsthefuture

[@xpusostomos]

@@liberty0758 and by "thermal event", they don't mean unintentional activation of the windscreen defroster.

[@michaelmedicworldoftanks33fps]

Well obvious what the problem with batteries is: 1. They get hot when charging fast 2. When things get hot plastic insulation starts melting and this is UNFIXABLE for most EVs and using ceramic separators won't fix the problem because it will just shatter due to battery swelling and shrinking during charging and discharging 🤷‍♂️

[@industrialmonk]

You have forgotten about the rodents eating the wiring insolation as it's made of rodent food this will not require interesting repairs or modification.

[@philhealey4443]

Is that on PV EVs? 😂

[@Rollin8.0]

​@@philhealey4443 rats in general LOVE chewing on vehicle wiring

[@richardcrowell284]

Good job Dingo Piss creek doesn't have EV chargers yet !

[@davecoleman409]

They put one in and I smashed it with my Trex.

[@nicholaswade6289]

Diesel powered generator chargers?

[@dn059]

Ah yes, another amazing stelantis product 😂

[@tad5920]

"In a Pinto... I mean Wrangler 4Xe off road grenade..." at 13:33. The ultimate car insult! Perfect!!! 🤣

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

The word "Jeep" ALWAYS MAKES ME SHUDDER!

[@serenitynow66]

Porsche is in the process of recalling 27500 Taycans and it gets better Audi also recalls approx 2000 including the e-Ton GT. lol

[@YZJB]

Taycan and E-Tron GT are the same car underneath, so that makes sense

[@johnkiprov7210]

Funny how the French word Etron means turd in English.

[@blurglide]

Electric motors would be great for off road....so long as you keep the weight down and make it reliable. Instant, easily modulated torque, no need to slip clutches or torque convertors, no fragile diffs changing the direction, can put the power to whichever wheel you want. I think the ideal off-road PHEV would have a relatively small gas engine that runs at high power settings. Sort of a locomotive-style powertrain. I wouldn't trust Stellantis to do any of this properly though

[@mrg-ghx8052]

I actually like the exterior design of the new wrangler, the variants look good and it looks like a usable off road vehicle. Making them electric was an amazingly stupid idea.

[@lp9280]

I mean BEVs could theoretically be simpler and therefore more reliable, emphasis on could and theoretically. But that kind of missed the point. Same like hammer made out of glass also misses the point... yeah it may be transparent, but it doesn't make it good at being a hammer. BEV motor is simpler and gearbox (or most often lack thereof ) is also simpler, but the current battery tech is just not suitable for the task, it is not tough enough to survive. Maybe one day when we have solid state batteries or Aluminium + Iron chemistry they will be, but Lithium Ion is just not good enough for application. Same like plastic bag is generally not a good application for carrying petrol around.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

I have often wondered if one day all these modern batteries will explode as the separators age.

[@neilkimber8338]

Cathode was negative and the anode was positive when I went to school, but that was when the world was normal

[@bluddyrowdy8757]

Yeah I hadta Look it up too - depends whether they are passive or active ( apparently ), like being charged or discharging, changes the function And polarity of the anode and cathode. Full Points to JC, a mechie engineer........

[@andrewallen9993]

Never heard of a bipolar electrolytic capacitor? Maybe it's a trans istor thing😁

[@deanchur]

@@andrewallen9993 Did you just assume its polarity?🤣

[@andrewallen9993]

@@deanchur Apart from the trans istor humour a bipolar capacitor is able to swap anode and cathode around depending on how you charge it 😂

[@andrewallen9993]

Or is it for everything else it's MasterCard that you charge it to instead of electrical values😬

[@karachaffee3343]

Consider that a Tesla has maybe 7000 individual cells in the battery pack and then an electric truck or bus has maybe 60000 individual cells in its battery pack. The number of failure points is on the face of it , astronomical. How this was ever considered a workable design is staggering.

[@xpusostomos]

@@karachaffee3343 well... The engine management computer of an ICE car has millions of transistors

[@0Aus]

​@@xpusostomosInteresting, might I press you as to how you thought that through? Genuinely interested in the process used for the out come

[@xpusostomos]

@@0Aus tiny ARM computer boards that sell for about $3 in volume to power all sorts of moderately sophisticated consumer items have something around 100 million transistors. ( Compare a modern Apple ARM laptop has around 150 billion transistors). It seems reasonable to assume an engine management computer might have millions of transistors. It might even be one of these boards.

[@0Aus]

@@xpusostomos Arrr, ok. If it fails? What will the car burn, thermal runaway, disappear into another realm what? Perhaps I'm wrong however isn't the topic thermal runaway, batteries, batteries fails that end catastrophically. Yep the topic. 🖐

[@DrCoomer_1]

"but they look nice" is the argument to beat here

[@loc4725]

In my experience most new car buyers aren't that smart and looks therefore are a massive selling point.

[@maifantasia3650]

Especially the charcoal coloured, modified convertible.

[@Inisfad]

LOL…no, at 11:35 or so, I think that the recommendation is to deplete your battery, park outside, and then DO NOT use the car. Now, that is convenient!!!

[@oldmanraptor6595]

Didnt jeeps catch fire B4 that went Thor Power

[@MrKornnugget]

What? You need ventilation when charging batteries? I have never heard of that before. 🤦‍♂️

[@andrewallen9993]

You would just LOVE the lead acid battery bank that runs my house for two days. Generates a two to one mixture of hydrogen and oxygen whilst charging and discharging 😀

[@deanchur]

One of the first things they teach when getting your forklift license is to recharge electric forklifts in a well-ventilated area. If you're just charging your phone it's a non-issue but for batteries that size then it's important.

[@philhealey4443]

And yet as children we happily and harmlessly dismantled zinc carbon batteries and then used our scalextric power supplies to make chlorine and sodium hydroxide from salt solution..just as well we didnt have lithium cells. Taking fireworks apart and playing with gunpowder was also entertaining, replicating fuse scenes from John Wayne movies. Well, perhaps just me and James May found these kind of antics more interesting than football.

[@FredPilcher]

The fault lies entirely with the regulators who don't regulate and the politicians who let them not do it. Not to mention the people who vote for them.

[@DerykRobosson]

Nope. Getting governed harder by daddy government isn't the fix. The owners of the companies should not be permitting such things to occur.

[@HomesickforAlaska]

You really think MORE Government intervention is the solution???? 😂

[@petesmitt]

You triggered some sovcits..

[@kjenk19]

@@DerykRobossonbut they are incentivised to maximise profit and minimise cost. The government need to keep them in check to not let the greedy capitalists race to the bottom and make everything crappy and unsafe.

[@pablorages1241]

I doubt ICE vehicles burn more often ... even with millions of them on the road you rarely hear of of them catching fire ... but with the few number of New EVs, we are hearing about fires regularly ... and the intensity of EV fires is much higher

[@theairstig9164]

Low probability high consequence

[@modarkthemauler]

ICE vehicle fires are easy enough to put out that only the big fires are talked about and even then it's not a big deal.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

As a trucker I ofter see or hear of ice vehicles catching on fire but often it happens after somebody crumples one like an empty coke can.

[@pablorages1241]

@@SoulTouchMusic93 EVs are a lot more likely to explode in an accident than an ICE vehicle

[@xpusostomos]

@@SoulTouchMusic93 right.... I can't recall any EV fire reported after crumpling one.

[@DrewAndrewCaswell]

Isn't JEEP already an acronym for Just Empty Every Pocket?

[@mblake0420]

That came from upgrades

[@allangibson8494]

JEEP has a current recall for their (2020 to 2023) ICE vehicles because of fire risks from ruptured fuel tanks caused by a too long chassis bolt…

[@markbryant7411]

You could also use a welder and weld up that cracked metal battery box, that could be verrrry entertaining..

[@Sam-f1k8e]

if ev's have far less moving parts then they should be way lower in cost than ice vehicles.

[@TheWombat2012]

It’s a Jeep thing…😂

[@mblake0420]

Is now........for some reason.....

[@davidwild66]

So, Jeep and Samsung have been using the same design philosophy as used in russian tanks with flying turrets?

[@bcluett1697]

4xE = T-72 I think if I bought one I'd have to put that on the bonnet someplace lol. It'd be funny if they put out wheelcovers with red stars now.

[@martinsoelby5902]

Owning cars for 39 years I have been forced to change the following items: 1 radiator 1 rear bearing 1 oil pressure regulator 8 hydraulic valve actuators 1 oil cooler Not really only moving parts things that is only possible on ICE cars. EV are more complicated any day.

[@user-gil-e]

I looked up Stellantis this morning on Wikipedia. It is made up of eclectic mix of brands, making it impossible for them to make anything of quality. I can't think of much these brands have in common. 14 brands: Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, Ram Trucks, and Vauxhall.

[@pantoqwerty]

Vast majority are shit, could that be what they have in common? Alfa Romeo - legendary Italian temperament. Chrysler, Shitron, Dodge, and Fiat all crap. Etc etc

[@xpusostomos]

@@user-gil-e in principle, many could share platform and parts, but I haven't heard of it.

[@junkmangeorge6363]

Even more "interesting" is that Chrysler sold the Rootes Group (the English Chrysler branch) to Peugeot in 1978 and now got bought by them.

[@deanchur]

@@xpusostomos The new Dodge Hornet and the Alfa Romeo CUV thing are the same car platform and drivetrain *we don't get the Dodge in Australia obviously).

[@papaloongie]

Since the AMC days, we often said; JEEP= Just everyone else’s parts. It was actually cheaper to buy brakes for your ford or ignition parts for your Chrysler at the AMC dealer. Good times.

[@ridervfr2798]

I got a 96 4.0 Jeep with 214,000 miles, no oil use, leaks water on my head from rusted holes in roof. Wife got a new Hyundai Ionic 5, got level 2 charger installed at my casa. Would I trade? Nah - the Korean car does haul booty but does not top out well on the road, only 116 mph. Great channel

[@theairstig9164]

Where on earth is 116 mph a needed feature ?

[@godfreypoon5148]

@@theairstig9164 On the road that leads away from your mum's house... duuuude...

[@LordZiomalus]

​@@theairstig9164Anywhere, where the speed limit on the motorway is reasonably high and not policed too much. 116mph is about the top speed of 2004 Suzuki Grand Vitara 1.9 diesel - not enough for a good road. Ask me how I know.

[@coweatsman]

@@theairstig9164 Nowhere is Australia. 100-110 kmph (roughly 60-70 mph) in most states with the maximum speed in the Northern Territory being 130 kmph (roughly 80 mph).

[@bicpentameter3231]

You know what's hilarious? This video was immediately followed by an ad for a Jeep EV.🤣

[@GudmundurSigurbjörnsson]

Toyota issues recall for 1.8 million RAV4 vehicles due to fire risk - Honda recalls 721,000 vehicles in the US over fears they can burst into flames - and what about battery phones, or is this just you hating the brand JEEP :)

[@stevesanelli90]

I think the floorpan of these thermal runaways are a carryover of the ICE buckets. Where the fuel sender terminals & connector used to be under a barely sealed cover plate now lies the battery vapour breather under the same cover plate. Who is going to check under the rear passenger seat of those 2nd class citizens?

[@zanderman2009]

its like living in an earth sized kindergarten with brats playing with nuclear bombs who are surprised they go boom, humans really are the thickest animal on earth

[@tellyfaulkner3466]

Apparently we have self awareness....

[@pantoqwerty]

Mankind’s progress to where we are now was built on the brilliance of rare geniuses and the commoditised labour of the masses. Modern times are trying to reverse the roles it seems.

[@NcikTrunbull-v1q]

those humans… those humans are “thick” not all of us play with peoples lives like these manufacturers.

[@iggyppup]

Lov it!

[@TooOldToCare-kl3co]

@@tellyfaulkner3466since when?😂

[@Freedomjustice-DC]

Great work always. Thanks John

[@Forexfox99]

Love my Wrangler, even though it’s broken down again, but that’s ok I’m an old mechanic and who doesn’t need a new hobby. I’d never own an electric one though. That’s playing with fire…..

[@1969cmp]

I'd like to see John, MGUY Australia and Electric Viking in the same studio. 🍿

[@apachertr9140]

You continue to impress, as always!

[@reggosse3901]

Less parts? Hundred of separate battery cells any one of which can fail and destroy your vehicle. Not less parts and more simple actually more parts and more complex.

[@Discoworx]

I think that some car batteries have heating systems as well.

[@josesardinas7660]

Combustion cars don't go boom when a hurricane flows your garage... Just sayin...

[@henryrodier8024]

Just like driving a Roman candle,nice that you can bring your own fireworks display with you out in public,so when it goes off you can watch your investment go up with you .Why is the battery in the cab under the rear seat , just stupid.

[@Veeger]

Safety for consumers seems to have been thrown away by manufacturers (and world governments), because they can't deliver batteries that don't have explosive chemistry. If safety regulators have allowed dodgy batteries, then other safety measures the industry have included before EV's can be ignored (obviously) by the manufacturers, to improve sales profitability. I'm surprised we still get seatbelts and airbags. But making side windows out of laminated instead of toughened glass is actually proof they are probably trying to kill you. If you or your rescuers can't open electrically locked doors, the option to smash the side windows has been removed by having laminated windows you'll need an axe to get through in the event of an emergency.

[@Sparky_D]

Jeeps have been completely shit for decades. You will never see me buying one.

[@patrickchubey3127]

They always say that ice cars burn more often then EVs but they never want to talk about the reason EVs are being banned in more and more places like car parks. They're not banning my ice car ,,, so there's got to be a reason for that ... right?

[@0Aus]

Yep battery car jockeys pull out that card all but making the claim verbatim, ever time thermal runaway is the topic that's there go to. Try asking them what the relevance is. They stammer studder yet never have a valid answer. Smoke & mirrors they can't handle the issue so they try distraction

[@matttheroux4769]

I love your channel you make me laugh so much. Much love from Merica!

[@rhys6165]

Typical Jeep. I don't know anyone who has owned a jeep that wasn't a lemon

[@danielson2976]

Question regarding the Olight ad. You mentioned "dim" light... can you confirm or deny that politicians even use such a fine quality torch 😂

[@richardcharlton8259]

I can put new batteries in a torch putting one in a EV can’t be that hard

[@David_Johnson_]

You buy a Jeep, you reap the "reward."

[@DiggerDog1962]

I recently had the misfortune to have a Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe for 3 weeks as a rental car in the USA. It had around 30,000 miles on the odometer. I drove it for around 2500 miles (~4,000km). Good points: rapid performance and surprising economy, very comfortable seats. Bad points: un-refined and ergonomically awful. It tended to come up with random and alarming error messages for no apparent issue. It told me that the hood/bonnet was open when it wasn't, and that (same time) that the battery was flat (it also wasn't). The drive line was unrefined and seems to have a bit of "shunt". Frankly it didn't fill me with confidence and I was relived to hand it back to Budget Car Rental at Denver International Airport. There's no way I would consider buying one.

[@RJ-vb7gh]

Stop picking on the poor old Pinto. I drove and worked on these cars and the did not explode until someone hit them in the rear at a decent rate of speed. They never exploded on their own. 90% of Pintos went to the scrap heap when their timing belt failed at around 60,000 miles and the rest rusted away quietly. While I agree that the combined decisions of extending the gas tank into the rear bumper, making the gas tank the trunk floor in a hatchback and stamping the rear bumper out of thin sheet metal, first to extend the car's range during the gas crisis and then to lighten and cheapen the vehicle, were less than optimal, the vast majority of Pinto owners enjoyed their fuel efficient, and good handling little sporty cars until their timing belts broke or their feet went through the floor. Mostly... when you bought a Pinto, you could just look underneath and see the gas tank in the rear bumper and the timing belt was right out front of the engine, moreover, most other Fords had really bad rust issues at the time too. People who bought the Pinto knew or should have known that the car wasn't much safer than the VW beetle it was competing against. People knowingly sacrificed safety for economy and then got all bent out of shape (and incinerated) when things didn't work out their way. The defects with the Jeep batteries aren't something that most customers can see or understand. They think they are buying something sold as a safe car that explodes on it's own, that's way different to the Pinto or even a motorcycle that doesn't survive crashes well. If you drove more safely and did proper maintenance you could reduce the risk of dying in a Pinto, a Jeep EV will kill you even if you do everything right and drive safely.. I might add... that I also had a 1971 Ford Galaxy 500. The Gas tank was behind the rear seat and about 5 feet from the rear bumper. The car was rear ended by a heavy duty pickup truck and shortened by at least 2 feet. No one was hurt. Ford knew how to build a safe car, but it got half the fuel economy and cost twice as much as the Pinto at the time. People had the choice between safe and economical cars sitting on the new car lot side by side. No one was forced to choose poorly.

[@deanchur]

Then Ford went on to make great small cars, and now they've gotten rid of them 😠

[@RJ-vb7gh]

@@deanchur I'm not sure Ford ever got small cars right.... Maverick, Pinto, Granada, Escort, Tempo.... and then everything with the DCT and now wet belts. But yes there were a few small Fords that were a lot better than others. Unfortunately Ford always looked at small cars as cheap cars and really cut corners on them. They also liked to design them with shorter life spans. Ford literally had a policy to prevent their lower price cars lasting too long for second owners. Also... Ford has pretty much given up the budget car business, leaving it to Korea and soon to come... China.

[@billynomates920]

my smartphone has less moving parts than my kid's see-saw. for some reason though, i can't seem to fix the phone

[@johannesschaller5510]

Jeep PHEVs could be repurposed as hearses, to provide both casket transport and cremation services in the one vehicle.

[@Driv3rWisard]

When you see Jeep advertising the next model year and it's the fall of 2024, it feels like when you visit an old relative for the last time on their deathbed and there are wires for monitors and oxygen tubes and shit and the dying person starts talking about their plans for next summer.

[@jayhoney2422]

Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly has a nice ring to it .....

[@Gigaloader]

Considering they require a cloud connection to roll down the car window..... I'm surprised they are not using aluminum wiring and battery connectors on EVs - for safety. :)

[@larkhill2119]

It's theorized that the gas engine of a hybrid takes extra damage from the constant stop-start operation. It's not a theory for years Glider tow and parachute drop pilots know not to point the aircraft downhill too much as the sudden cooling cracks the head and block. The same effect will happen when the battery kicks in on a cool day with cold air hitting the hot engine on one side to restart later.

[@davidhancock91]

I’m an old fart. Just turned 64. As time creeps on, the more convinced I am to keep driving the least high tech, modern car I can justify . I have an Audi A6 Biturbo SLine Diesel. I bought used 2 years ago for $30,500. New , the previous (diligent) owner payed $130k in 2015. I have travelled 20,000km, replaced the water pump ($450) one standard service, and 2 new front tyres ($550ea). It is high tech for a diesel, but being a well sorted c7.5 model, not much tends to go wrong, but being an Audi, you have to be proactive on maintenance, if you don’t want any nasty surprises. The next model c8 has a complicated mild hybrid system, that if something goes wrong, which seems to happen a bit, is f-ing expensive. So when it is time to replace mine. I’m not going the mild or heavy hybrid rout. In fact I might even go more old school and basic. Call me an old analog dude 😂.

[@larkhill2119]

Always check the Skoda parts cost it's normally the same part number.

[@thewholls7176]

Here is a suggestion for you John. How about you engineer a discount code for car detailing? Surely there’s some bigger franchises out there that would happily give a discount on a promotion via your channel……..

[@SydneySewerat]

Outlander PHEV owner here. Why did Jeep even bother to try? Misubishi is on its 4th iteration of PHEV, and thes you wall know, Jon, it's pretty hard to beat, and sort of go off road.

[@phprofYT]

Audi and Porches have issued recalls recently as well for craptastic LG battery modules. Great time to be alive, eh?

[@JimboJones-qn4wd]

15:19 - Live...money...lives...money...lives...money...lives...money. THEY CHOOSE MONEY!

[@paul-57]

I took it to mean park it outside and don't use it until it's repaired. I would also leave the headlights on to deplete the battery.

[@mongo64071]

A lot of homes in California have gas hot water heaters in the garage. So it’s not too hard to find a spark in the garage.

[@Ted...youtubee]

Time for new names.. Jeep Firebird Jeep Thunderbolt Jeep Boomster

[@martinavery3979]

They got the most Kill-O-Watt chemistry

[@wafive]

John, during your O Light piece, you mentioned one of the torches was great for 4x4, camping and boating... I can't recall ever hearing your thoughts on the humble Aussie Trailer Titanic.. That might be enlightening, or, it might leave your loyal viewers with something of a sinking feeling. :)

[@davegoldspink5354]

Will never be an EV fan no matter the layout. Bought myself a Suzuki SV650 in March ok being a bike has its drawbacks but it costs me about $22 using 95RON fuel every 300km or so, it will never suffer from thermal runaway, it’s fun and easy to ride and cheap to own and as it has basis electrics there’s no Bluetooth tracking me so no government or corporations invading my privacy. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@dragancrnogorac3851]

It's brutal what designers have to do to accommodate some new requirements. Like everyone and his dog knows that Jeep ain't designed for electric car. All tooling for car is done. It's not economical to make new tools for few of them. So they just scrambled whatever is possible. It went out horrible I guess. When designers are designing new hybrid car they don't think it's the best idea to put hot battery, hot wires and hot coolant with all water flowing around under the seat... They probably had have done car and made whatever is possible.

[@Budginut]

Irregularly beat myself up for being a failure in life. I've only worked constantly for 30yrs as a heavy diesel mechanic and supported my family. Never considered myself smart enough to design and build this stuff. It's refreshing to see even the professionals and leaders of industry are also f¥€k¥ps!

[@gerardwood4059]

Logic suggests all lithium batteries will fail eventually from separator failure just the same as the old lead acid batteries do! Except lead acid douse not catch fire as the cell shorts out and go's flat. Lithium battery can only go into thermal runaway when it shorts out.

[@TopperPenquin]

Every 50 kilometres i see Rectangular holes burnt into the Bitumen with Electrical components melted in.

[@bruceallen6492]

I own a dealership in Calipornia and my phone is melting down from calls for the Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee 4xe! The prospective Buddhist buyers are mostly from South East Asia.

[@nathanhale6477]

On the positive side, if they make the batteries vent to the rear of the car and add an immediate ignition source, maybe it would provide a nice rocket assisted increase in the MPG rating!😂😂😂😂

[@RichWithTech]

When looking at a cross sample of equal age EV vs ICE, ev is slightly more likely to catch fire. However that's with average age of 3 years. I'm curious when the lithium batteries age and swelling starts pushing their compartments open, thus exposing themselves to salt and other goodies what will happen to the stats then. Also although the EV were slightly more likely to combust, (when looking at equal age) what's interesting is their mileage was around 1/9th that of the ICE equalivent at the time of fire. Also PHEV was the most likely to combust of all groups.

[@robv.o.1777]

You never know when you might require a self contained source of heat😂 Would have been nice of them to put a floor in it, to keep the interior separated from the battery case.

[@zakuraayame5091]

Schrödinger's EV paradise ... you never know what state the battery packs are in any of the mobile vanity rooms about; except these don't care whether you observe them or not, they seem to prefer you not to observe them while 'changing' their 'mood' if we anthropomorphize the situation just a bit.

[@ronaldwarren1267]

The word jeep says it all you can still buy the shitboxs here in nz new we got loads of them no one wants them

[@gerardwood4059]

I think as these batteries age the chance of failure is going to increase expediently. The fire may not be as intense or sustained because of the degradation of the chemicals, but the deterioration will increase the likelihood of the battery just commiting chemical suicide! I agree with Jhon, when these cars reach ten plus years old, fires are going to be as common as ICE from electrical faults. I think a very big percentage of the battery's will catch fire just from age.

[@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars]

Have we found out what actually happened to the Robinsons?

[@theodavies8754]

There will always be ways around the safety regulations followed by phase B testing recalls.

[@markwng]

Jeep. A brand you can rely on. LOL.