Worst Reason to Believe in God? | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@jmorris023]

Traumatic events will trick you everytime. I was in a car wreck where someone ran a red light. I found out later in the day that the other driver and their passenger were claiming I was the one that ran the red light. At first, I knew I didn't do it, but then over the next few hours, I started wondering whether I was just misremembering what happened and it was me. Fortunately there was a witness that spoke up a few days later.

[@Leith_Crowther]

Same thing happened to me, except no witness spoke up for me.

[@teve90]

'misrememboring' sounds like the excuse for the 'american werewolf in London' not that I'm saying 'all excuses are bad'....

[@kasocool2812]

It's amazing what the brain can make up sometimes. I almost passed out from heat exhaustion once. I remember getting up to leave the room to get some fresh air. My memory is pretty blank between standing up and being sat down in a different room after I had cooled down a bit. But I have such a vivid memory of the carpet against my cheek that I was so sure I must have collapsed but the like 20 other people in the room confirmed that it didn't happen

[@jestermoon]

Thanks God.

[@jmorris023]

@@jestermoon still no sign of any of the 10,000 or so proposed gods, but I’ll let you know if any evidence presents itself.

[@johnsperry9494]

“To someone with faith, no explanation is necessary. To someone without faith, no explanation is possible.” -- Thomas Aquinas. (Translation: If you’re gullible, you’ll believe it. If you require evidence, too bad, there isn’t any.)

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Oh, nice.

[@soniccrafter1010]

I am definitely borrowing this

[@TechSword]

Yoink!

[@DulceN]

There are people that swear they saw a relative or close acquaintance after the person died. There is a name for that phenomenon: Bereavement or grief hallucinations.

[@HotelierNYC]

I think I genuinely like this caller. He's funny, well-informed and willing to engage honestly with uncomfortable questions without getting offended. We need more people like him on the show!

[@Ratciclefan]

Good job getting to admit someone dying for what they believe doesn't mean what they believe is true, though obviously he says his make-belief is special Also, the mention of Criss Angel really took me back. I saw a lot of his stuff here in Brazilian television.

[@johnsperry9494]

I was going to make a joke about the Jonestown cult, but it had a bad punch line.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

[@Based_in_reality]

I’m appalled by how funny I find this!

[@HotelierNYC]

Nice!

[@Ratciclefan]

That was a good one

[@5555522255555]

It's so practical being religious...everyone believe and define their God in their own personal way..and they are all so damn convinced only they are right...

[@mirandahotspring4019]

You hear a lot of Christians claiming that the apostles readiness to die for their belief in a resurrected Christ, but in fact only the deaths of two of them are mentioned in the bible. Judas either hung himself, of fell in a field and his guts burst out and Peter was crucified in Rome. All other accounts of the apostles being martyred are much later apocryphal writings. Peter's crucifixion (if it actually happened) has been attributed to Nero wanting to blame the Christians for the great fire of Rome in 64 CE, not really a martyr, but Nero's scapegoat.

[@TorianTammas]

We have no records to consider if they were common criminals that the law caught up with, or that they wrongly were accused of crimes like rebellion against Rome or that it happened only in storied. Romans tolerated thousands of religions and no one cared unless you acted against the emperor or Rome or committed actual crimes. Roman law does not forbid any belief.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

All you have to do to believe is be gullible, naive, and fearful. If you're skeptical, world-wise, and stalwart, you are lost for all eternity (according to those who want to control you and suck your income away from you). In reality, you don't survive the death of your brain-no matter what you believe-so just enjoy the only life you'll ever have, and don't let charlatans and fakirs screw you over.

[@greeneyedlady5580]

Amen! It horrifies me how otherwise very intelligent members of my family buy the Christian bullshit. We were all indoctrinated as small children, thankfully I was able to break away.

[@donaldsmith7824]

Exactly, purpose of my life, enjoy it.

[@BeefT-Sq]

"It is time to tell people the unvarnished truth: to stand up for man’s mind and this earth, and against any version of mysticism or religion." -Leonard Peikoff-1986

[@tomwolfe6063]

If you piss gold, it means you should drink more water.

[@Breakerchannel1]

Because the more a you drink water I.e do the right thing and listen, the clearer it would be!

[@tomwolfe6063]

@@Breakerchannel1 That's what she said. Wait....no, never mind. It's not.

[@tophatxcc]

That’s actually a myth

[@greeneyedlady5580]

​@@tophatxcc ???

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile. ~Kurt Vonnegut

[@patrickosmium733]

Dawkins and Hitchens are legends in my book.

[@dmonzel]

While I like their positions on religion, I do need to point out that Dawkins is a transphobe and Hitchens helped push for the invasion of Iraq.

[@patrickosmium733]

@@dmonzel How is he a transphobe exactly?

[@dmonzel]

@@patrickosmium733 I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links here, but googling "Richard Dawkins transphobia" will give you plenty of examples.

[@dmonzel]

@@patrickosmium733 I'm not sure if I can post links here, but you'll be able to find it via Google. The American Humanist Association revoked his 1996 honors due to his REPEATED comments.

[@DulceN]

​@@dmonzelNobody is perfect.

[@johnsperry9494]

When you pray, you are basically telling God that your plan is better than his. THAT’S arrogant.

[@arkatheistcc2353]

No when you pray, you're talking too yourself

[@johnsperry9494]

@@arkatheistcc2353 Yeah, that too!

[@cy-one]

You are talking to yourself, arguing with yourself that you know better than a being you've convinced yourself knows better than you.

[@grimmspectrum1547]

​@@arkatheistcc2353talking to yourself is actually a pretty healthy thing the only time a problem occurs is when you start to answer yourself

[@mattjindrak]

​@@grimmspectrum1547why? It's a conversation with yourself, working through a problem or situation

[@racecartestpilot167]

HOLY KOOLAID! Love your channel!

[@ARoll925]

Why do so many of these callers insist on claiming " I used to be an atheist", its like they think it will give them bonus points or something, its like so what?, you're irrational now, and the things you are saying are very silly for an adult human to say Edit: i had not gotten to the case for christ part yet, and wow, this guy is either a troll or incredibly credulous

[@Leith_Crowther]

“I used to be correct.”

[@ganndeber1621]

Another way to ask your question is why do they lie?

[@Jcs57]

Everyone was once an atheist you don’t become a theist until exposed to theism.

[@kasocool2812]

It doesn't help that a lot of them seem to the kind of "I was angry with god" / "I said I was atheist but still secretly believed in him in my heart" type atheist that tsome heists try to make out all atheist really are. They dont seem to have lost their faith more just took a break for a bit

[@tiltingwindmill]

As children, they also seem to frequently have grown up in a lukewarm Christian family. I'd imagine, for a few years, in their teens, they just didn't go to church. Then, later, they date someone who is devout, or befriend a devout Christian, and fall for the garbage apologetics that they all seem to be able to spew. That's not really atheist, it's just being a lapsed Christian. They still grew up within the belief system. And they never rejected it for good reason. It's a damned stupid claim to start these conversations like that. I roll my eyes every time.

[@freddan6fly]

"I used to be an atheist" = "My priest told me this is the best story to convince an atheist is to pretend to have been an atheist". "I am a sceptic now when I am a Christian" = "I am sceptic to evidence against the god I believe in without reason".

[@ARoll925]

This call is basically, i want to believe it, so i do, i dont really care about the evidence

[@richiejohnson]

Great job as always, guys

[@gaagsl]

I think it would be interesting if believers can explain how this god interacts with nature and how that process takes place. However we are just left with " there must be a god who created everything because "things need a god to exist"

[@LexCoulstring]

Finally you mentioned the odyssey, Funny how Odysseus has so many motifs like Jesus and it was a work of fiction 800 years earlier the the invention of Christ

[@danielsmith1202]

He seems like such a nice guy. Sad that religion has brainwashed him so much he lost his critical thinking abilities

[@MontysKillerRabbit]

He never had critical thinking skills. That's why he can flip flop on his beliefs so easily.

[@wolf2966]

Ehhh I don’t think he’s fully convinced he seems skeptical

[@jestermoon]

28:53 a nice guy. Thx

[@OwenLeBlanc-l7h]

Chris Angel is notorious for illusions for the audience at home, rather than in person. Not to say that they don't look great on camera.

[@doggiesarus]

The histoicity of JC? There were lots of Jesusus-- it was a common name.

[@tma2001]

the fairest summation I've come across is that IF (and its a big if) there was a historical figure (or composite), he can't be reconstructed from the stories in the NT with any certainty.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

_Jesus_ is a Latin name so the plural would be _Jesusi_ rather than _Jesuses._ 😉

[@alamunez]

@@diogeneslamp8004It would be Jesi.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

@@alamunez 😉

[@tedgrant2]

"I used to be an atheist". I suppose that's true of everyone.

[@Apostolnixx]

I liked when they asked him if he was a skeptic. I don't think atheism means anything rather than lack of belief. Skepticism and critical thinking is what helps me a lot in this world.

[@L.WolfMoidell-is6vz]

We must also keep in mind that for highly religious Christians who willing accepted death ☠ DEATH was not an ending. Death was a new beginning of eternal life in paradise with their God. And so for them the act of "dying" was really no big deal.

[@Mewse1203]

There is more than one infinite...and they arent the same size. From negative infinity to positive infinity is one. Then, there is an infinity between each integer. So, there is an infinity between 1 and 2. And 2 and 3. There's an infinity between rational numbers as well. Hers an infinity between 1.1 and 1.2.

[@johnsperry9494]

"To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson

[@dalecs47]

What would it take for me to believe in god? Very simple, just two things: First is for god to tell all his believers to STOP asking for power and money in his name. And Second: For all god's believes to stop asking for power and money in his name. Let me know when those two things happen.

[@Iamjamessmith1]

Only one thing matters and that is what the preacher says on Sunday morning and Sunday night and Wednesday night. These preachers are on every corner in every church and they don't pay taxes. This just shows how powerful and right they must be. So believe the preachers and the way they interpret their book which they say is holy. Meaning it is totally without error and is God breathed. Lol if the preacher says it happened then that happened. There can be absolutely no other way because those words those words are power. They are the power of God speaking through the pastor hahah

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

what a novel call . . . another life story, 'i used to be an atheist', 'now as a christian i use logic', . . . impressive failure!

[@ganndeber1621]

Another liar

[@johnsperry9494]

When a Theist becomes an Atheist, people ask, why did you lose your faith? When an Atheist becomes a Theist, I ask, why did you lose your reason?

[@teve90]

Brainwashing his own self, it happens..

[@scamchan]

Just saying I Want any GOD that exists to show up and do some shit.

[@Gerryjournal]

Surely god knowing everything in advance, and god giving us free will, cancel each other out

[@grimmspectrum1547]

Humans have perfect memory we store every single thing that we have learned since we were born to the time that we die in our minds the only problem is that there are only a small amount of the population that have perfect recall you do not remember something you recall something and the degradation only happens to those who do not have perfect recall because the ones that have the perfect recall it is recalled perfectly and the people that have this perfect recall they have what is called photographic memory which is not a great way of describing it

[@the-outsider8458]

It's so sad how such a large number of theists honestly believe they're being rational and reasonable, and are completely incapable of viewing any of their reasoning objectively. 'That is bad evidence which shouldn't convince anyone' 'oh for my god? Well in that case the exact same evidence is completely reasonable and entirely convincing. Why aren't you convinced?' Show their reasoning working for any other religion and listen to the excuses flow.

[@donaldsmith7824]

Once the gullable give money to the bamboozelers they will never believe they have been bamboozeled, the ego has a hard time admitting its susepticle to folly.

[@CharlesDriver-hj4xp]

The lady of Fatima in Portugal where 3 kids saw a angel add 2000yrs to this foolish story and you get the bible

[@brucewilliams4152]

In fact we have no contemporary historical records or evidence from the reign of Augustus or Tiberius Caesar for jesus. If know that Jonathon because I have a degree in Ancient history archaeology and philosophy!

[@sirbarryvee-eight6485]

I'm getting tired of Christian theists going to evolution and creation all the time. Frankly, they demonstrate that they do not understand the science behind evolution and Genesis is not a basis for understanding the origins of the universe. But, leaving that aside, the issue for me is more fundamental than that, and it is one from anthropology. We know that modern humans have been around for approximately 200,000 years. The Australian aboriginals alone, their culture is known to be at least 60,000 years old. Yet we are told that we are created by this one true God, who somehow did not start to be worshipped until 4,000 years ago. If he created us, where was he for the preceding ~196,000 years? And if he created all mankind, why was he only worshipped in the Middle East and not the subcontinent, the Far East, the Americas, Australia, Europe or Africa? If we were created by God, why did we go and create all those other gods? Anthropology sits the claims of holy books on their arse. Theists need to answer that before they can start embarrassing themselves over their lack of understanding of other branches of science.

[@jaflenbond7854]

The real, raging, and existing BATTLE to the DEATH on planet Earth is still the FREEDOM and FREE WILL of ATHEISTS and RELIGIONS against the LOVE, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, FAVORS, and BLESSINGS of the CREATOR through JESUS CHRIST Atheists are FREE to claim that the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales and Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions are also FREE to fill the world with their UNBIBLICAL teachings and doctrines about - 1. hellfire 2. immortality of the souls 3. afterlife 4. Armageddon 5. Trinity 6. rapture 7. reincarnation but all of them can never change the TRUTH that the BIBLICAL teachings of Jesus Christ about the - 1. "Kingdom of God" written in Luke 4: 43 2. "Resurrection of the Dead" written in John 11: 25, 26 will definitely bring honor and the Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 to lowly, ordinary, kind, and respectful persons on earth who honor Jesus Christ as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth in their obedience to what's written in Matthew 28: 18 Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions are all FREE to mock and oppose the Creator's Sovereignty and reject Jesus Christ's BIBLICAL authority and teachings but can never change the TRUTH that the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" guarantees that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in the right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.

[@geoffmower8729]

How does it go. You should never assume because it makes an ASS out of U and ME!

[@ChrisM-zm4li]

If your god is real, he told the world's first lie, then punished all of humanity with "original sin" because Eve found out he was lying and acted appropriately.

[@Jcs57]

Worst reason, that would be the premise itself. God is a bald assertion.

[@alamunez]

Are you sure you meant to type ‘bald’?

[@ralfhaggstrom]

Johnatan, I believe , so please do SEPPUKU, .......................

[@brucewilliams4152]

Jonathon is delusional, there is no evidence that the disciples saw anything. It is a,claim in a book

[@rbwinn3]

Here are the correct equations for relativity. x'=x-vt y'=y z'=z t'=t

[@rbwinn3]

Atheists do not like to talk about relativity because they believe in a miracle.

[@myprophet1]

By rights, god is an "it" not a "he", and if It is omnipotent can it make itself impotent?

[@RosieRoserules]

The discussion loses me as soon as you guys say he at least I learned in Old testament history as a teenager that's a word was never meant to be a man or a he or a him

[@2Timothy42-tl6lh]

Repent of your sins, believe in Jesus Christ for salvation and become a new person in this life. Luke 24:47 KJV And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. John 3:16 KJV For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

[@jamesmattingly925]

No.

[@starfishsystems]

That all sounds like nonsense.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

You can stuff your nonsense where the sun don't shine.

[@thejester57]

Cool story bro

[@dancedecker]

It's a cut and paste troll.. Shows how DESPERATE these god bothering muppets have had to become to try to shore up their dying religion bullshit. Lol.