Worth Tuning A 9800X3D for Star Citizen?

[@iamthesentinel584]

Great followup on the last video! It looks like PBO and memory tuning can make a decent difference!

[@velocitymg]

I blew up my first computer years ago when playing with overclocking CPUs and RAM so I am a little gun shy now in touching anything but great to see the potential the 9800x3d has.

[@sphaera3809]

Thank you for the update! In my experience, I find there are some hiccups when trying to OC anything or RAM tune beyond XMP. I now just turn on existing performance preset if they are available. I’m taking the lazy route… So I have more time for SC.

[@Hav0k]

Great video! I decided to switch from the 7950x3d to the 9800x3d the other night. So it's great to see this. Now I just need a 5080 or 5090 😂😅

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Ah good timing!

[@metalmeltdown31]

Just switched from a 7950X3D to a 9800x3D too. Really liking the improvements in 1% lows across the board.

[@Hav0k]

@@metalmeltdown31 that's really what I was looking to improve as well. But I gotta get a better GPU soon

[@echo5827]

5080 for sure, then we wait for good OLED monitors lol

[@yungsofa8084]

@@echo5827 we have good OLED RIGHT NOW

[@JoePolaris]

Nicely done. Totally agree, most prep don’t know the BIOS exists, much less RAM speed and so on. Memory speed is important, but factor in other aspects of the platform, ring bus bus ( infinity clock match) , making sure NVMe is not lane split with PCIe card, it’s all about balance.

[@AcheliusDecimus]

I enabled PBO the other day, and it has been awesome.

[@JSmith73]

Loving the lowered temps for sure, on my 7800x3d.

[@beeleaveme]

Brah, 9800x3d is 2x the minimum wage per month in my country. Here 5600 are the best Cost-benefit

[@TheTracckerX]

In my country 9800x3d is 3x the minimum wage. Agree that 5600 is the best cost-benefit though.

[@jimashby43]

Im surprised the game has run as well as it has during this event for me. I couldn't run 3.24 till the little update patch update. It really seams to be doing well for me. 😊 Tried saving Stanton and died a couple times 😢

[@MannyCalaveras]

I'll be trying similar tuning but with 96GB (48x2) of CL-30 DDR5-6000 & 4070 Ti Super (paired with a 9800x3d). Did you see how differently your tuning performed on 1440p?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yeah you should still be CPU bottlenecked at 1440p with the 4070ti super! I'd give it a go!

[@dimitrirouge5568]

I did an upgrade of memory but the game doesn't change a lot in loading, but I asked to ChatGPT to provide me all command to load more in ram ... and finaly with all parameter in a USER.cfg file ... I got a good result. ( see like r_TexterturePreload = 1, r_textureStreaming = 0, s_StreamPreload = 1 , s_DisableStreaming = 1 and more ... )

[@xeralith]

Question.. Do you plan to make a video comparing the performance of 3.24.3 and 4.0 when 4.0 releases? Who knows, maybe also quality comparisons.

[@JSmith73]

Note to self, need to work out what if any profiles exist for my modules - G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB Black 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MHz DDR5 CL30 (F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR) - and try them out. Running -25 PBO on my 7800X3d, but just the stock 6000 profile for my memory. As a software engineer, this electrical engineering is foreign to me. 😅 Edit ChatGPT 4o to the rescue: ```Your G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 memory kit (model F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR) utilizes Hynix ICs. To achieve the rated speed of DDR5-6000 with timings of 30-40-40-96 at 1.40V, this kit supports AMD EXPO profiles. Enabling the EXPO profile in your motherboard's BIOS should configure these settings automatically. Regarding Buildzoid's profiles, while there isn't a specific profile publicly available for this exact model, the use of Hynix ICs suggests that his general tuning recommendations for Hynix-based DDR5 modules could be applicable. However, it's important to proceed with caution and ensure system stability when applying any overclocking settings.```

[@toberkulosis]

Hey man, I really appreciate your content for SC! I'm looking to build a new system in Q1 2025, and obviously we get a few new launches by then but do you have a general recommendation for what CPU + GPU you would buy for a new build directed at star citizen? I don't need the top of the top but I would like to have a good strong performer so I was thinking probably the new nvidia's paired with either a 7800x3d or the 9800x3d

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Hey! The 7800X3D vs the 9800X3D probably depends on the price difference between them! If the 7800X3D drops to be significantly cheaper then it's worth considering! The GPU will really depend on the resolution you are playing at?

[@toberkulosis]

@@tenpoundfortytwo I play at 1440p, right now I'm on a 5700xt paired with a 5600x3d and for the most part I'm pretty satisfied but there are times when the frames drop a bit. I upgraded to the 5600x3d from a 2600x last year and a saw massive increase in performance, and from what I saw in your other videos it sounds like moving to one of the 12gb vram cards will help a lot as well.

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

@toberkulosis yeah some more vram is probably a good idea! Hard to know which of the new cards would be the best option, the 4080 is already overkill at 1440p (especially when you factor in upscaling). I'm actually doing some testing right now in preparation for the new intel GPU- will be some 1440p data that should be helpful for you. So keep an eye out for that video next week!

[@toberkulosis]

@@tenpoundfortytwo Have you done testing with the 4070 line? I didn't see those in many of your comparisons

[@mndeg]

that's very significant!

[@ghenghisprawn6034]

Star Citizen loves low latency memory. These settings are fairly conservative/standard on Hynix A/M die so you can get more with additional tuning. The best I've seen is usually 6200-6400mhz with a CL of 28 and all subtimings tuned. I think Buildzoid was able to get CL 24 or 26 stable, I can't exactly remember which.

[@dkindig]

My memory tuning strategy is pretty much in order of diminishing returns: lower CL first, then max out fclk, then try for higher freq. Star Citizen streams so much data in and out that the v-cache can't compensate for it.

[@WallyAMV]

Did you do any additional testing to distinguish whether you were getting the increase mainly from PBO or the Memory tuning?

[@seamus_o_ra]

Since changing to these settings exactly (minus the DDR5 ram settings - I just left mine stock), my system’s ability to run multiple apps while playing SC went down the tubes. Even if I’m just running Discord and nothing else. Tabbing away from game causes major slow downs in performance. Is this due to PBO’s affects on multi-threading? My system specs: 9800x3d 7900xtx DDR5 64Gb ram, 6000mhz, 30-40-40-96 2tb SSD with plenty of space Running the game at 4K on a 165hz monitor

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

I would guess that your 9800x3d is quite stable at these settings- should be plenty of overclocking guides out there on KZbin so you could fiddle with things. But seeing as the improvements from pbo are pretty small, I'd be tempted to leave it at stock settings!

[@seamus_o_ra]

@@tenpoundfortytwo Thank you, I appreciate your time in replying. I'm still confused regarding my question though. Is there a reason these settings may cause multi-tasking issues as I described? My computer lags all inputs when tabbing away from the game. Discord and my browser struggle big time now

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

​@@seamus_o_raI think it will just be down to the CPU being unstable and so that manifests as the whole pc lagging. Instability can show in different ways, sometimes the whole system might crash, sometimes it will be fine apart from specific workloads! Overclocking always carries a risk that the pc might start playing up! It's one of the reasons I tend to leave everything stock- I'd prefer not to crash in the middle of something important!

[@seamus_o_ra]

@ fair enough

[@oRatatouillEo]

Can you please do a Studio driver vs game driver for star citizen? i tested it and somehow in pyro hangars studio drivers was 111fps vs 88 fps for game drivers, maybe shader cache wasnt loaded or smthing but it would be nice for an expert like you to test. it

[@vulcan4d]

If they optimize their servers, everyone gets a free 2x performance so in the long run it is not a huge deal. When will CIG optimize? 20years :p

[@dimitrirouge5568]

I just add some extra memory ... and discover if you are doing a file USER.cfg you can't load in memory and minimize Stutter. I asked to ChatGPT and he provide me a lot usefull command. Like provide how many ram SC can use, preload Shader, Sound, and avoid streaming textures. Could be nice to make a video about the result before and after. if you got 64gb these one could usefull. like r_TexterturePreload = 1, r_textureStreaming = 0, s_StreamPreload = 1 , s_DisableStreaming = 1

[@illgottengains1314]

It’s hard to worry about a few frames here and there at the moment, but thanks for the video!

[@01SHADOW]

yeah this thing runs star citzen real well the highest it even jumps on load for me was like 42% almost like my PC is in idle lol. I need to get some more ram for overkill purposes

[@lachlanamos9167]

Plz review the 7700xt

[@philipm5043]

Does it work the same with a hynix m die?

[@tenpoundfortytwo]

Yep! www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

[@cardinalmite9183]

Interesting, I would like to see what happens with undervolting. There are times when this can actually improve performance vs stock on some CPUs and titles. My 5800x3d really liked undervolting.

[@CaspersGhost618]

My 5800x3d does NOT like star citizen atall , shes struggling 😂

[@cardinalmite9183]

@CaspersGhost618 that is odd, mine is fine with Star Citizen.

[@CaspersGhost618]

@@cardinalmite9183 what's your AVG FPS in big areas like new Babbage? Depending on server performance I can get anywhere from less than 20 to up to 60, been messing around with per core offsets and found that -25 all core gives me a higher than AVG timespy score (11600)

[@firstjayjay]

👀👀👀👀

[@piranhax6466]

I wpuld believe a 7950x non 3d wpuld run the game better than x3d

[@papaschlumpf2149]

CO all Cores just only -20? Try -30 or more. ;)